They just need to have a firm trust in Chaos. THE GODS SEE OUR ACTIONS TODAY, THEIR HANDS SHALL PROTECT US!

or then the guard could just belive NO LOYALISTS YOU ARE THE TRAITORS! and then the Ultramarines were chaos.

No foul traitor or heretic can stand against the epic glory of the Emperor!

Make them hardcore mercenaries.

Undivided or specific?

If you've got the skills, read some of Dan Abnett's work and do Blood Pact. THEY ARE HUGE.

>>1312074

>>1312084
-FIST POUND-
-AIR GUITAR-

>>1312058
The Blood pact sound pretty fuckwin, exactly what a Khornate force should be.

I can sort of see the Word Bearers leading them on a crusade of fail, and after the surviving guard limp home and rebuild, they are later visited by loyalist marines, who the guard butcher thinking they are more evil chaos.
lulz and exterminatus ensues.

>>1312088
Failing that, demon engines. Tentacle tanks, mutated guard, rogue psykers, bayonets and spikes on everything. Throw in some corpses mounted on stuff.

>>1312088
Word Bearer influence = Undivided.

>>1312102

Corpses on golden chairs?

>>1312109
THE IRONY SHALL BURN THE EYES OF THE ENEMY!!!!

>>1312092

Abnett really needs to do more works on Chaos. His descriptions during "Straight Silver", were, in my opinion, his best work.

>>1312058

Perhaps a regiment led by a tactically brilliant but completely insane general? Like Sturhn crossed with Kurtz from Apocalypse Now. The men would all worship him as a godlike being, there would be cultists sacrificing animals (or humans for the GRIMANDARK factor) to him. He could have come under Word Bearer influence due to a gradual disillusionment and realization of the immense hypocricy of the Imperium.

Our lords watch over us. Our lords follow our movement on the battlefield. We have survived thought numerous hell holes and alien battlefields. Shit, we have even thrown away years at the food of that corpse God. But now we know the true gods don't we.... I SAID DON'T WE.. Yeah thats right! Don't know about you mohter frakkers but i'm going out there today. I'm showing my lords what I stand for. I'm showing my Lords that I'm the best. Follow me or don't, but I know that come tommorow I am going to be the favored child of our gods and to the imperium with the rest of you cowardxs.

Reavers!

>>1312216
Quick, deploy the Plot Drive!

>>1312127
OP here.
My original plot was that there were two leading military figures on their homeplanet.
Ones motto was "Put faith in the Emperor, he shall guide your men"
The others was "Put faith in your men, the Emperor shall protect them if need be"
The governor liked general #1 better, and when the space marines (not like General Joe Backwater could even KNOW what chaos marines are. To him they were holy men of legends) arrived, General #2 took their advice on attacking the governor and the other general as they were traitors.
Then began the over-time reteaching to full chaos.

But I like this one.
and I REALLY like >>1312148

>>1312148
Frakkers?

You've got to be fucking shitting me.
FETH FETH FETH. NOT FRAK. THIS IS NOT BATTLESTAR GALACTICA YOU FAGGOTS.

>>1312240
I thought Cain said frak too...

>>1312246
CAIN'S A GODDAMN FAGGOT.

>>1312262
OH NO YOU DIDNT YOU QUADRA NIGGER

>>1312262
oh no you didn't.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T!

>>1312272
>>1312277
OH NO YOU DIDN'T HIVEMIND

>>1312239

Anon approves.

Check out Forgeworld's renegade militia models. Fuckexpensive, but worth it.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/cgi-local/sh000001.pl?REFPAGE=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eforgeworld%2eco%2euk%2f
acatalog%2fQUATERMASTERS_STORE_NEW_STUFF__11%2ehtml&WD=militia&PN=CHAOS_RENEGADES%2ehtml%23a
IA_2dCTR_2dI_2d001#aIA_2dCTR_2dI_2d001

I see no change here. I see but one truth, and that truth is CHAOS.
The gods wouldn't even warrant out attention were it not for a price!
TELL THE MEN WE ASCEND THIS DAY OR WE DIE TRYING
THERE IS NO RETREAT!

>>1312294
Some Inspiration

>>1312239
This is fluff-accurate, non-marysue, GRIMDARK and still awesome and logical.

You should write more fluff. Many armies of /tg/ would benefit from good fluff like this.

>>1312294
And OP better as hell have a model of Chaos Sturnn in his army.

>>1312304

Protip: The artist is a full blown Nazi.
His favorite quote is "Arbeit macht frei" and he LURVES "black-pagan-nationalsocialist metal".
Just look for yourselves.
>>http://kombat-unit.deviantart.com/

>>1312330
I really dont care.

Blood for the Blood god.

>>1312330

I admit that he draws good, but admiration only goes that far.

>>1312330
and? Better that than some godawful neo-leftist hippie pseudocommunist.

also it makes me rage less over the fact he made the "bad" guy look like a nazi.


on point of OP, I agree with >>1312329

>>1312088
Blood Pact FUCK YEAH.

The descriptions in the novels don't do the art and conversions justice. But then again, pictures are worth a thousand words.

>>1312330
Who cares what his political beliefs are... I'm looking at his art, not subscribing to his newsletter.

Why is almost every post here about Blood Pact?
OP is Undivided.

>>1312445
Blood pact is awesome.

>>1312445
Because Blood Pact, despite following Khorne, are badass enough that anyone can base an Undivided army off thee design.

ideas for OP:
-model all tanks as Melchadors. Count them as Lemans but model them as Melchadors. damnit those look cool.
-lots of banners. ragged banners.
-make the army look like it was somekind of silent hill otherworld bizarro cadia. Proud, regal, no-nonsence, but still all covered in blood and rust. And the guardsmen themselves are oblivious to this fact. They think they are still normal men serving the Emperor.

>>1312549
I just felt a wave of awesome

>and? Better that than some godawful neo-leftist hippie pseudocommunist.

No, not really. I realise you're probably too young to have heard of the holocaust, but there's a reason why nazis are not well liked.

That said, unless the artist starts writing comments about how jew skulls make the best skulls for the skull throne, I don't really care if he has a hard-on for nazi regalia. They had pretty awesome outfits.

>>1312549

This is an extremely good idea.

NOW WE MUST ALL SING THE SILENT HILL SONG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP1TK3GDDns

>>1312549
/r/ drawfaggotry on Silent Hill IG

>>1312687
Holocaust was an attempt to rid us of the Jew menace. Anyone with a brain knows that.

>>1312744

Comissar Pyramid Head?

>>1312768
Instead of the threat of summary execution, he uses the threat of summary rape.

>>1312687
you also seem to believe that modern nazis somehow influence society or politics.
protip: they don't. bastard-ass teen smoking supporting leftists do.
double reppuken: back to topic, i support >>1312549

>>1312744
Greenstuff over faces to make them featureless and even more silent hillish. It'd be symbolic of their previous identities as faceless minions of the Imperium.

That's how I'd do traitor guard.

>>1312768
or chaos marine pyramid head.
OP did say his army has CSM in it.

>>1312782
i fear to think what the comissars look like.
whats the ultimate manifestation of the feelings of a man who has shot dozens of his own men for little to no real reason?

>>1312791

They would have eyes in every direction, to spot cowards. And speakers instead of mouths, blaring propaganda a la noise marines but more march music than rock.

>>1312791
a boner

>>1312791
freaky katamari damacy guy rolling a ball of corpses

"There are those who will tell you that the so called 'glorious' Emperor of man died the day that he faced the righteous fury of Horus. That his wounds overcame him, and that his life left him, that all that remains is a corpse kept breathing by those false prophets, the Tech Priests. I say no. I say the Emperor lived. I say that he crawled, broken, bloodied, and beaten from head to toe, but he lived, though it took his strength and foul Sanguinus combined just to face the wrath of Horus. Yes, the Emperor lives, even to this day, his wounds long since recovered. He lives, and he hides, uncaring, unmoved, and utterly afraid. The Emperor of man cowers on his golden throne, and his people rot, starve, and die, their cries unanswered. I say the Emperor lives, and that he lives and does not answer his people is only proof that he does not care. Look then to the blessed lords of Chaos, and what do you see? Theirs is true power, theirs is to demand, and command, to desire the very best of us. Those that fail, die, because only the strong deserve the serve the glory of the Chaos gods. The Emperor of man cares not for those that serve him, only that they serve, but the lords of Chaos answer every infraction, crush every failure. What would you rather? To die for an old, foolish, uncaring coward, and let your soul be forever lost, or to die for the great gods of Chaos, and let you soul, be it truly worthy, ascend to serve in the legions of the gods? So this day we fight, and we die, and we give the very best of ourselves. For Chaos! For victory! And to show those worthless dogs of the Imperium that their 'glorious Emperor' has truly abandoned them!"

>>1312549
>
-make the army look like it was somekind of silent hill otherworld bizarro cadia. Proud, regal, no-nonsence, but still all covered in blood and rust. And the guardsmen themselves are oblivious to this fact. They think they are still normal men serving the Emperor.

i like that,
regal, no nonsense, tactically brilliant just: "No. We serve the Emperor, goddamn it!" even as they fight for chaos/etc.

not a whole bunch of politics/etc. to need to explain just field guys with gold eagles but covered in blood/grime.

>>1312791
Instead of legs, he'd have a hellish amalgamation of fused corpse limbs, with the odd head here and there, trying to scream but unable to due to skin having long since grown over the opening.

>you also seem to believe that modern nazis somehow influence society or politics.

They don't precisely because everyone hates them, you enormous cretin.

>protip:

I reiterate: Cretin.

>bastard-ass teen smoking supporting leftists do.

Wait, what? Leftist teens support smoking? Leftists support teens smoking? Leftists support smoking teens? I can't even tell what the fuck you're complaining about. Did the internet beat you up and steal your lunch money or something?

>>1312802
>>1312782
>>1312549

Fuckin stolen

>>1312838

But if they're all deluded like that, you'll miss the opportunity of using the anti-Imperial cult speeches in this thread...

>whats the ultimate manifestation of the feelings of a man who has shot dozens of his own men for little to no real reason?

I don't know, but I bet it would be awesome.

All suggestions for his appearance so far have not been subtle enough.

>>1312834

Well, I'm sold.

>>1312868

Silent Hill doesn't really scream "subtle" to me. Still, I think it would depend on the individual comissar what he would manifest as.

lol politics

>>1312877

The appearance of SH monster isn't subtle. They're bizarre and freakish and horrible.

But the way in which the shape of the monsters is determined by the feelings of the people who invoked them is rather subtle. Usually you'll go 'what the fuck's that?' and then have to look it up on wikipedia to find out why the thing looked the way it did.

>>1312090

I spot a hidden Mickey on that Plague Marine.

>>1312865
They hear it and to them it makes perfect sence.


On the final hours of the Eclipsion rebellion, the lord governor of the capital planet watched as his men were fighting a desperate losing defence. Behind him stood the last general still loyal and alive, the planetary warlord Franz Scipius. Ever devoted to the emperor, the pious man placed his hand on the governors shoulder, asking him to stay true to the Emperor. The governor slowly shook his head. His faith in the Emperor had died alongside his men. The sight of brother fighting brother, as if men charging headlong into a twisted bloodied mirror, had long since eaten away his sanity. The governor stepped up onto the railing of is palaces balcony. He looked into the bloodstorm that was the distant sky. "What are you doing, Governor?" wasked Scipius. The answer was simple. "I am ending this". The governor was still in mid-fall as a las-charge pierced his head. To Scipius, coward were an abomination.

Scipius holstered his pistol and turned. In the hall behind him was standing his oldest friend, General Scorpius, now better known as the Bloodlord of Eclipsion. Scipius knew that his friend was no more than a traitor. He charges wait power-sword lifted high and impaldes the traitors heart in a single thrust. "This nightmare is over", claimed Scipius. "No. For you, the nightmare is only beginning", replied the bloodied form of the Governor, now impaled on the powersword, las.wound still bleeding.

All along the planet, a faint mist gathered, as the Word Bearers began to set up their places of worship...

>>1312929
Either my awesometer is broken or this thread jsut got even better.

>>1312929
The Eclipsion Silent Hill Guard is just pure win.
Greatest thing /tg/ has done for chaos in ages.

>>1312929

Uh, wouldn't the lasgun cauterize the wound?

>>1313038
His having a silent hill nightmare moment
by that time, the walls grow asses that bleed rust.
you don't notice stuff like illogical shotwounds.

Quick drawfag sketch of a Silent Hill Commissar.

Tell me what you think, I may do a couple different ones.

>>1312929
i nightmare'd
famnit now all these images of Silent Hill guardsmen make me unable to sleep

>>1313080 quick
can I get you some champagne or tiny hotdogs?

also I'd love to see some guardsmen in Silent Hill style, maybe with the ragged banners and stuff. Word Bearers in background optional.
<3 for your effort

>>1312058
so is OP pic going to be the colour scheme?

>>1313080
I think I just pissed myself.

>>1313097
Sold. I fucking love tiny hotdogs.

Lemme cook up some guardsman here. Back in a bit with the results.

>>1313080
*mumble* *groan* COWWWWAAAARRRDDD!!! *screech* HERETICCCC!!!! *wail* *pant* FOUND WAAANNNTINNNNGGGG!!!!

It is said the Commissars of these traitors have long since died, ripped asunder in a vengeful orgy by their own men. But after the Word Bearers began to indoctrinate the poor men further, they recognized their folly in destroying their leaders and erected shrines to them.

They can be seen pulled behind the ranks of Guardsmen. Massive scarecrows, the tattered hat and coat of a commissar upon a wooden cross, the large, ragged banners of the army flying behind them. The Commissars are long gone now, but when a guardsman begins to doubt, begins to fear...

All the others see is a flash of a lasgun and the coward crumpling to a heap on the ground.

>>1313153
Holy shit you just invented the coolest chaos comissars ever!

>>1313153

I like it, but the 'flash of a lasgun' is too clinical.

The commisars should come to life and rend the doubter limb from limb, as their own men did to them.

Are these guys soon awesome enough to slip into /tg/ canon?

>>1313185
so, so the comissarcrosses just hover around behind regiments or do some crazy dudes in ragged robes carry the,?

>>1313185
The ripped apart idea is awesome. I think it'd be neater if it was by unseen forces, the guy just starts being torn to shreds.

>>1313228
They're pulled by guardsmen.

Took awhile to find a concept I liked, but here's some close combat weapon guardsman torso.

The legions of tainted guardsmen are preceded by their stench. The rotting of a decaying corpse and the iron smell of blood. Over the rise comes a massive cross, tethered to a squad of shuffling guardsmen who throw their entire weight into moving the massive shrine.

The enemy steadily approaches, no matter the incoming fire, calmly marching and returning the assault. Those that fall stay down only for so long... then they rise again and fall back into line, perhaps clutching their severed arm or dragging a shattered leg.

Through the din of battle a wheeze can be heard and the eyeglasses of their gasmasks are fogged. If one is unfortunate enough to enter a melee with them, they are overpowered by the stench of corpses and every cut sends chunks of puss covered, rotting meat out from their tattered uniforms.

After the battle, lingerers can see shapes crawling out from the corpse pyres, shrugging the flame from themselves and shouldering a weapon. They all walk away, unharmed, disappearing in the distance in waves and shimmers as if they were a mirage.

My own personal IG army are traitors, but rather than being turned into frothing lunatics like so many others seem to, they've been corrupted by the Alpha Legion, and are, if anything, even more disciplined and strictly regimented than they were before. They have nothing but disdain for those who put their trust in distant and uncaring gods, whether those gods be the Emperor, or the Ruinous Powers. One of their favourite pastimes is to listen out for distress calls from out of the way Imperial worlds, answer them, then when it's over royally fuck the inhabitants over - releasing vast clouds of poison gas into the atmosphere, triggering a melt down of a hive's power-core, that sort of thing

There are men who have survived the horror that is the Eclipsion guard. I have sat down in a local tavern and talked to a man who wore a ragged uniform and a strange mask, as if a second, scarred face had been melted over his own. The man seemed normal. He talked about his home and his service to the Emperor. He lingered in the tavern long. After I left the tavern, all the streets were empty. The tavern was locked and the only thing that could be heard in the silence was the panting of daemons. Yet they were no daemons. They were my old friends and brothers in arms, long dead, or still alive, twisted and warped into inhuman beasts and abominations.
Cowardice is for the weak, but I ran. I ran and ran. At long last I was out of there, back among my men. But when I looked back, I still saw the man from the tavern. He had never worn a mask. He stood there, watching as we left. In his eyes we were the beasts, and he was the pure. And he knew the impure have to be clensed.

-testament of sgt. Colovas of the Obsivarian 89th after the massacre of Obsivar Minor.

Like where this is going.
/drawfag.

Not only is this guard the creepiest shit on /tg/ in ages, i nearly shat myself realising they have Word Bearers and daemons to back up their asses.

Commicross.

>>1313308
I CAN'T LOOK AT COMISSARS ANYMORE.
THEY WILL RIP MY DICK OFF WHEN I SLEEP.

>>1313325
THE EYES!!!!
...I think i won't sleep for a week now...

>>1313308
>>1313325
CANT SLEEP.
COMMISSARS WILL RAPE ME.

It just occurred to me that a tech priest would be amazing for this.

Getting to work on it.

>>1313317
Fuck you I had just reassured myself that guardsman, no matter how creepy, can't destroy me.
...i want the grey knights...
...or a bunker...

Old crappy shoop of a chaosed-up stormblade i made as reference for a project.
I figured it'd look cool in this army.

CHARGE THE SOUL-CANNON!

I was thinking of putting WB Night-Goblin heads/hands onto my guardsmen, painting them red and adding some horns and sores.

y/n?

>>1313382

n

>>1313382
cut the heads away and only leave the hoods.
+300% creepy, -5000% Hobgoblin

>>1313379
this is win

I have got to mention nurse medics.

>>1313437
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK

>>1313437

>>1313382
n

Your goal is creepy. The fucking gremlins weren't anywhere near as scary as Silent Hill.

>>1313459

>>1313470
there just isn't anything quite as creepy as silent hill.
well, silent hill 2, 3 and 0.
4 was t3h shite.
1 suffered from bad graphix unscaryness.

Ok, Tzneech horrors heads?

>>1313516

I like hte empty hood idea.

Bump for creepyguard

I highly suggest when looking for models, don't just limit yourself to 40k models, look EVERYWHERE , find something that can fit the scale or the look you want and convert the hell out of it if you need to.

God damn I always wanted a traitor guard regiment and I'll be damned if this doesn't make me wanna sell my eldar and begin anew.

chaos spawn bits might help with the whole mutated look you want.

"Hold the line! Damn it all, hold the line!"

Our Sergeant disappeared in a mass of writhing limbs as their men collided with ours. The masked horrors in their tattered uniforms came at us with more determination than I've ever seen mustered from the guard... and more ferocity. They savagely struck him with the stocks of their rifles, pounding and pounding away until he was a disfigured paste in the mud, then they turned to us.

I saw one, nothing but a torn sleeve for an arm and his lasgun desperately clutched his remaining hand. His gasmask was hanging by two straps, and I could see the rotting skin. It looked like he'd been dead for weeks, months.

We stared at them, they stared back, and over the rippling of gunfire and the cadence of artillery, we heard one of them hiss, "Why? Why?" They began to shuffle towards us and we stumbled backwards, they came faster, faster, until we were stumbling and banging into one another in a mad dash towards the man troop. I heard a crack behind me and turned in time to see PFC Reynolds reach towards me with horror on his face before being trampled into the red mud underneath their heels. Several lingered behind... I know what they were doing. I saw what they had done.

>>1313617
After we were routed, we came back to the battlefield. Each and every one of them was gone. Not their corpses, not even any equipment was left behind. The only thing that let us know what had just happened was even real was collected at the center of the battlefield.

It was a mass of bodies and what remained of them, piled high; all of their faces were taught with agony and terror and their hands grasped outwards for help. A massive pole was driven in the center of the pile, the dogtags of the poor bastards strung on it like decoration.

We turned to the Commissar, pleading, looking for something definite in this chaos. He was always our anchor, no matter the scene he was there to raise a pistol and bellow orders. I wish he had killed himself, or if he killed some of us for our heresy. Anything. But instead, he was on his knees in the mud with tears streaming down his face, his expression was one of such terrible loss and agony...

I turned my back on the Emperor that day, on humanity. They came for me in my sleep, tugging that mask on as I tried to struggle... but I learned to cope with my new burden, embrace it. I would free my fellow men from their oppressive reality.

Tech priest.

Fucking hard as hell to come up with something close to the original design that wasn't already creepy as hell. Freaking Adeptus Mechanicus.

>>1313643

I think that's too organic-looking for a techpriest.

However, something similar to this...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TtXMyAOop3s

...might work.

>>1313643
so has the techie's body rotted off leaving his machinery to hold him up, or has the biological mutated and combined with the tech

im thinking the latter...

>>1313308
Okay, I might be a tad wimpier than most fa/tg/uys, but seriously, this is scary shit. You have a DevArt account or something?

>>1313664
Closer?

>>1313735

Yes, I find that much better.

Because that link creeped the shit out of me when I first saw it.

>>1313672
Both of us? I've done most of the drawfagging in the thread thus far, but that guy just came out of nowhere and made with the creepy.

I'm hoping he'll post more soon.

how would one model a pyramid head type chaos daemon?

>>1313780

Bloodthirster + pyramid head.

>>1313780
Plasticard head, plasticard sword, arco-flagellant with the arm turned backwards.

Similar to what I did to make a pyramid head for heroclix back in the day, long before horrorclix was announced.

>>1313789
Greenstuff applied liberally, yet tastefully would help too. I used hot glue on the original, surprisingly enough, and it looked great.

I'll upload a picture of it once I've got my digital camera and minis back here.

Okay, even the Blood Pact would probably look at these Guardsmen and be creeped the fuck out.

>>1313800
Totally. Which god do you think these guys would follow? Or is this more of an undivided kinda deal?

I'm thinking Nurgle+Slaanesh.

>>1313842
definatly should just be undivided, then there wouldnt be any constraints on what you make your guys look like

>>1313844
Fair enough. So...

Pyramid Head/Xuchilbara-stuff = Khorne
Anything Yellow God related = Tzeentch
Manifestations of strong emotions (nurses, mannequins)= Slaanesh
The otherworld itself = Nurgle

Sound about right for starters?

Say, for these guys, what rules would we use? I'm thinking a slapdash combination of Marks (especially of Nurgle or Tzeentch) from the Chaos 'dex and regular IG rules, with the Marks being used as Doctrines for all Infantry units; e.g Light Infantry with Mark of Nurgle, and Conscripts with Mark of Tzeentch but no Stormtroopers with Mark of Slaanesh.

>>1313855
I like your way of thinking.

Most of your guardsmen will either be half dead abominations of Nurgle or unwaking nightmares of Slaanesh. Commisars are fine as they were all ready mentioned.

A unit of Khornate Orgyns would be amazing.

>>1313860
You could pretty easily approximate a traitor guard company with just the doctrines fro mthe codex, I'd think.

Loadout would probably be something like:

-Warrior weapons (mutations and inhuman strength)
-Cybernetics or Carapace armor (halfway for feel no pain)
-Chem Inhalers (to represent fearlessness)
-Light Infantry (for infiltration, appearing out of nowhere as the otherworld rolls in over the area)
-And then whatever special unit you'd prefer (I'm partial to tech-priests myself for the Valtiel-factor, but ogryns would be decently demonic and Pyramid Head-ish)

forgeworld already has some pretty cool renegade guarsmen/ogryn models

...to draw inspiration from...

Welcome to chaos, Here are your complimentry whores.

>>1313913
Greenstuff and effort are significantly cheaper.

I agree that they make for a decent point of reference, though.

>>1313940
Perfect reason to go to chaos.

>>1313940
Chaos works more like
"Welcome to chaos, YOU are the complimentary whores."

>>1313949
and is that bad?

>>1313940
PROTIP: All chaos whores are hermaphrodites.

>>1313953
nope.

>>1313953
Depends on the god.

>>1313963
which one would be the good bad god in this case

>>1313956

And is that bad?

>>1313913
wow your right

>>1313969
Slaanesh - depends on what you're into. If you answered "everything" you're good to go.
Nurgle - At first you're like D:. But then you're like :D. And rotting.
Tzeentch - Equal chances of good and bad. Nothing will be what it seems. Tentacles will most likely be involved somehow.
Khorne - Angry sex. Lots and lots of angry sex. RIP AND TEAR would be a fairly accurate descriptor, I'd imagine.

>>1313984
Wow.

But reading up on Orgyns just now, they're pretty devoted to the imperium it seems. Khorne is the obvious choice for them, but considering what transpires on the world of Apoc according to the fresh fluff what would drive the Orgyns to convert?

>>1313999
They really aren't that smart. Use that to your advantage.

>>1313984

LOL looks like COBRA Commander!

>>1313999

You lie about what side you're fighting on. Ogryn don't convert.

>>1313999
They're not very bright, and prone to violence.

You don't have to convert them as much as you just point them in the right direction and let them go nuts.

what about converting WHFB ogre figs

>>1313898
>either be half dead abominations of Nurgle or unwaking nightmares of Slaanesh

nurgle at first seems like the right choice, but they'd have to be all rotten which works but might not be best for this company.

im liking Tzeentch though, going off the silent-hill angle you could have your bloodied hell-and-back guard company be sort of bewitched, with some kind of all-is-dust creepy fatalism about them.

the whole 'loyalist guard led astray' goes more with 'just as planned' then it does Slaanesh or Nurgle anyway.

>>1314009
IIRC, the Siege of Vraks book (can't remember which IA) had the Ogryns fighting by the simple expedient of telling them "lol no THEY are teh heretics!". Ta-da!

Oh, and I'm well aware of the Doctrines being able to mimic some of the Chaos powers; it's just that they aren't supernatural/scary enough on the tabletop if we did so.

>>1314005

>>1314021
If you ask me, the army would indeed be led by Tzeentchians (especially the Commissars), but Nurgle's powers would infest the rank-and-file.

>>1314029
"I MUST FIGHT DA' HERETICS!"

"No Orgyn, you are the heretics"

And then the Orgyn was a Bloodthirster

>>1314013
Do what some other Anon did; take any hooded head (Goblins, for example), stick them on regular Guard figs (bonus if they're greatecoated like Steel Legion, though the metal might take work), and paint the insides pitch black. Forget shading and the like, just go all Chaos Black.

And then paint two little red dots in the darkness. Maybe more.

And a gleaming white grin. Place it anywhere.

>>1314038
i know, and walking dead for some of the rank & file does make creepy silent-hill sense, but Nurgle is more gooey pustules and plague-type walking dead,

with Tzeentch enchantments you could still get animated dead, just more on the flaming deamons and mummies side

>>1314060
Rather than dead why not possessed? They could be blood spattered and faceless in the style of silent hill much more easily that way.

Though I'm not sure there's enough demons to poses an entire army in this way.

>>1314083
I'd imagine there's plenty. The warp is pretty expansive.

>>1314083
you could do Commissars, platoon Junior/senior O's, and probably vets and stuff though.

Not dead, not alive.

Chopped and slashed and blown apart but whole again.

Loyal to the Emperor as they curse his name under their breath.

Pressing ever onwards beneath the ragged, towering effigies they drag behind them. Or at least, for those men for whome the commisar was not the first reborn. The men who tore apart their leaders and live forever beneath the unblicking vision of a wrathful man of straw are the lucky ones.

No Nurgle, Slaanesh, or Tzeentch. All Khorne.

These are soldiers. Silent Hill is about violence and blood and death. Even the sexualised monsters like the nurses or the abstract daddy are sexual in a purely murderous way, without the sensuality or hedonism of Slaanesh. Plus, everything red and rusty and brass.

Now normally I don't like Khorne, he's my least favourite chaos power, but this is a great way to depict Khornate forces.

>>1314083
Of course there are enough demons; the Warp is, at the very least, soddin' big. It's not all Bloodthirsters and Keepers of Secrets, you know. And on further thought I have to agree that Silent Hill is the epitome of Tzeentchian sorcery.

Or Eldrad's dickery, because he's just mean.

>>1314116
Oh lawd.

Well I guess a normal traitor non-chaos army would be with the imperial guard rules, not lost and damned rules.

I say make them lead by a Chaos commisar who wants to become a champion of Tzneetch and who is as brilliant a strategist as he is a merciless leader.

SILENT HILL
NO UTA
MINNA DE UTAOU
MINNA DE
MINNA DE
UTAIMASYOU

This anon is with the Tzeentch crowd. Silent hill is TOO thinky for Khorne.

Resident Evil is Khorne.

Tzeentch is bright colours, rational intellect, scheming, intrigue and sorcery.

Khorne is dull/red colours, the subconscious, blood, rage, and brutal violence.

SH is very clever but it's not consciously clever like Tzeetch. All you see on the surface is gore and rust and twisted monsters and brutality.

>>1314406

It's all very raw, and every thing is exposed as it's base emotion taken to the extreme and set to destroy anything that is not of it. Very much a Slannesh thing, I would say.

What's the first thing that comes to mind with Silent Hill? Pyramid head. What's the first thing that comes to mind with Pyramid Head? Rape.

I rest my case.

>>1314842
anon has a point

Tzeentch is the most viable option, his plans are mysterious enough to be open ended to this kind of thing and we know he has the power.

Silent Hill is about each person's personal demons, so how about each guardsman is possessed by a demon created by his own mind?

Or the entire army is being effected by one powerful psyker who is twisting the whole army as an extension of his tormented nightmares? If you're going with the faceless guardsmen design then it could be because the psyker saw the hordes of nameless soldiers die and is a reflection of his impersonal feelings to them.

What are the odds that if you dragged in the SH guard to a GW some 13 year old proto-neckbeard would rage over it?

ITS NOT OFFFFFFIIIICCIIIAAAALLLL

>>1314934
3 to 1

>>1314934
and if they do you can always play the card of "How do you know? Silent Hill could just be on an Imperial World situated rather close to the eye of terror and as such its population have become twisted creatures of evil."

thats the great thing about 40k. There is a chance for nearly anything to happen (I see nearly because there are some things that just wont happen such as female marines, the eldar coming back as a major power, and the Tau posing any real threat to the Imperium)

Are there any actual rules for traitor guard?

Google was arguing with itself, either you use the witchhunter codex which is legal/illegal in shops and overpowered/underpowered, with no/yes heavy weapons teams or you just use them as normal imperial guard and CALL them traitors.

>>1315202

There is the Lost and the Damned from the Eye of Terror codex, not sure how current it is.

And if the shop doesn't allow Witchhunters, then why would they be selling the book/models? It's entirely legal, even in GT's.

>>1315273

LatD rules in Witchhunters book too.

>>1315273
I think he means the heretic listings in the back of the codex.

>>1314895

How about the Word Bearers took a budding alpha level psyker from Eclipsia and showed him/her the "truth of Chaos and the lies of the Imperium?" How about the psyker in question was a child, the child of the planetary Governor, who had been sheltered from the horrors of war only to be flung into them headfirst when the Chaos Marines took him in? And so, everyone on the planet is forced to play a part in the twisted nightmare that the psyker's mind creates, all due to Word Bearer propaganda?

>>1315327

How about the kid psyker was born from some failed experiment meant to emulate the Emperor's own birth. The heretical cult pulled together the greatest psykers from across the segmentum, in great secrecy, and had them surround a woman ready to give birth. At the stroke of midnight, in perfect unison, each psyker commited ritualistic suicide, and their souls entered the unborn child by way of chaotic litanies and sigils designed to prevent their loss to Tzeentch.

The child was born, infused with all these amazing powers, at cost of a severely warped, deformed mind. He was required to be kept away, kept under strict mental domination, schooled and prepared for the day he'd take over the reign of the planet from the puppets installed by the Imperium.

Then the Word Bearers attacked. His mental guards were killed.

The last thing anyone on the planet ever saw was a sky raining blood and faces screaming and crying from the walls.

The Imperium still notes the entire system as "barren, wasted, fires from deep within the crusts of each world still smouldering after a thousand years"

>>1312834

You see the epic-o-meter? You fucking BROKE it. Nice going, cockbite.

>>1315342

I like this, but if he's the most powerful psyker alive, how did he remain dominated?

>>1315365

You can do anything with Tzeentch.

>>1315365

The same way they managed to keep all this hidden from the Ordo Malleus: psychic insulation. A huge underground complex, dampening and blocking psyker activity.

How bout sum Chaos Ogryn? Still a WIP though. :|

>>1315388

looks like a good start!

What do Ogryn most want to do?

Serve the Emperor.

Why?

Because he's the strongest and smartest creature alive.

SH ogryn are the most cunning creatures ever. We're talking IQs of 6000 with the strength of two pyramid heads.

>>1315342

I approve.

I'm done scribbling with colors for the night.

OP here.
On "how to keep the psycic superchild dominated"
-It's just a kid. It trusts people. Word Bearers are damn charismatic. It's a kind of "daddy tells you to mid-blast the evil men" kind of thing. He could also be massively possessed, perhaps by an Undivided greater daemon (those exist in Codex: Daemons i think)

On possession of an entire planet
-Daemon worlds happen. Word Bearers are THE masters of summoning.

On how damn cool this is
-It's damn cool.

On modelling
-I'll probably base the army off the IG infantry I have atm, but throw in ragged masks and stuff.
-there have been many mentions of using greatcoats. The WFB flagellants have ragged robes. perhaps a mix of Flagellant bitz and IG bitz would provide cool results.
-How whould my officers look? ATM I hvae no extra cool ideas for them, just dead/armswaps on comissars and Creed/Kell

>>1315342

This is great if just for the fact that he's probably the exact polar opposite of the Emperor that came about in a manner similar to him.

He's the Word Bearers wet dream.

>>1315596
WFB Ogre + greenstuff to fuck the head up
Then just ass chaos spawn bitz for arms.

>>1315716

For the infantry, try greenstuffing their faces away into the kind of shapeless lumps that the monsters in Silent Hill have. As for officers, you can make one each of every comissar idea posted here and you'll have a bunch of kickass characters.

When looking into doctrines, you guys did realise this is Apoc, right?
If need be, I can claim that everyunit has a different set of deoctrines and I have every unit unlocked because each one is a different army allied witht he other or something similar.

Should Pyramid Head be?
-Ogryn Bone 'Ead
-Chaos Marine
-Terminator
-Counts-as Broodlord

>>1315750

Counts-as Carnifex.

>>1315763

Fuck that. Counts-as nightbringer.

>>1315750
BROODLORD.

also add the Butcher from SH 0rigins

>>1315763
I have wingless bloodthirsters and messed-up giants for Counts-as Carnifexes.
yay for summoning gone horribly wrong.

Think Caliban from Origins.

>>1315791
YOU HAD BETTER MAKE SOME DAMN COOL SCENEREY FOR THIS ARMY.

>>1315716
>>On "how to keep the psycic superchild dominated"
>>-It's just a kid. It trusts people. Word Bearers are damn charismatic. It's a kind of "daddy tells you to mid-blast the evil men" kind of thing.

Completely reasonable. Pater Sin had a couple of very powerful psyker children he controlled the same way.

>>1315832

This is what he should do.

He should start the game with a regular guardsman army. Nothing new, nothing special, just make sure everything still does the proper counts-as shit.

He should also have a tape-player and a timer with him as well. Set the timer for about 2 hours.

When the timer goes off, play the tape player, which has an extremely loud air raid siren, and start changing all the models and the removable scenery on the map into the SH Guard counterparts.

The rest of the game is played in Silent Hill.

model the psychild out of the helmet bearer that comes with the Azrael model

>>1315852
or then it happens on turn 3 or something.
the idea is still awesome.

>>1315868
Needs to have this guy floating around near him

>>1315852
Oh wow.

This is the most awesome idea on 4chan.

>>1315868
remove the helmet and give it like, a staff or something.
then have it sulk around in some kind of BLOOD AND RUST altar room, attanded only by the daemon and occasionaly visited by the Word Bearer lord.

>>1315916
staff isn't creepy enough.
Ideas?

>>1315940

Teddy bear.

>>1315940
just give it creepy hands reaching out of the sleeves.

>>1315940

Maybe have him hold a blooded severed head? The head of his father the Governor?

>>1315940

Coloring book.

The picture displayed just happens to look a lot like one of the monsters on the field.

>>1315967
kind of fondling it like he was talking to his daddy.
...just standing there...
...talking to the head...
...keeping the nightmare alive...

Eclipsian Terror Guard vs Cadian 412th under the command of Sturhn. HEAVEN OR HELL LET'S ROCK

>>1315991
WRITE THIS INTO A NOVEL.
A GREY KNIGHT OR SoB NOVEL.

>>1315993
divided by zero.
but Eclipsion wind due to marine support.
Unless Sturnn gets to call in his Ultramarine buddies.

I think it'd end with the remains of the 412th standing in a empty field, where just a bit earier, there was the nightmare cityscape of Eclipsion.

>>1315991
Someone draw this kid.
It's the most fucked up thing in all of this Eclipsion fluff.

>>1316008
I'm modelling the kid

I'm thinking the kid should actually have a face similar to the Emperor's. It's rugged and commanding, but, rather than a halo of gold, he's got the hood around it and eyes the color of freshly-spilt blood.

>>1316020
pre-glue.
ideas?

>>1316060

He's weeping flames.

>>1316060
that look soooo freakish...

>>1316060

Very nice. I'm impressed and terrified at how quickly this went from general idea to execution.

>>1316082
/tg/, gets shit done, etc.

>>1316060
The giant man-hands look really cool and creepy, just as long as they arent comically big.

>>1316024

Going with this idea, see if you can't make the face a bit more pronounced and gaunt, and don't worry about making him look very childlike. Kid's probably a tween at this point.

>>1316060
The stormtroopets of the Irian 25th had been infiltrating their way across the nightmare world of Eclipsion for weeks. They had found the location of the Eclipsion main temple, the source of all the psycic disturbance in the region. Supplies were low, time was of the essence.

As the stormtroopers entered the temple from a large window, they saw the most blasted, horrible hellscape of architecture imaginable. From within, the temple was as if the Imperial Palace itself had fallen to chaos and sat stagnating corruption for millenia. Twisted, bleeding statues of daemons formed a massive corridor leading into the heart of the temple. The stormtroopers moved cautiously, but as they reached a larger hall, the doors slammed shut and a massive, twisted mutant dropped upon them. It was a beast of tortured flesh, an image of uncaring hate. The beast ripped into the stormtroopers with inhuman fury but in the end, it was outnumbered and outclassed by the stormtroopers. Only three remained in fighting condition, the sergeant and his two best men.

The trio made their way forward, eventually reaching what was the very most infernal heart of the temple. A massive dome, in which the only light was that of the fires in braziers held by stone-faced daemons, housed a single altar. The stormtroopers could not see the far reaches of the dome but they knew it was both impossibly large and mid-blowingly impressive.

Next to the altar, stood a small figure. As the stormtroopers approced, the figure did not turn. It spoke in a soft, yet shattered tone, as if it was a small boy who had cried for ages. The figure was fondling a bloodied head, and spoke to it. As the sergeant reached the figure, it turned, revealing itself to indeed be a young boy.

CONTINUED

>>1316145
"Have you come to speak to me?" the boy asked.
"What is a child like you doing in a place like this?" asked the sergeant. "It's dangerous"
"I'm here because I'm safe here. I'm here to play with dad and to keep the dream alive" the boy replied.
"Who told you to stay here?" demanded the sergeant.
"Dad did. And the good lord will keep me safe here. Away from all those who would want to hurt me". The boy nodded towards the lifeless bloodied head.
The sergeant stood back up. He was dumbfounded by the innocent look and the trust in the boy. He turned to leave, but the doorway was blocked by a large winged figure. In its hands, the corpses of his men. On its face, a grin signaling that he was next. The child watched the slaughter, slowly petting his fathers head. Smiling. The evil men had been punished for what they had done. The dream would live on.

If you do the air raid siren thing, you need to videotape it so I can see the neckbeard's reaction as you start switching shit around on the board.

>>1316146
HOLY FREAKING SHIT.

>>1316145

I was kind of hoping to see him sitting on a large throne covered in rust.

>>1315342
>>1316060
I like this thread.

>>1316170
I seriously can't decide if a rust throne is creepier than a bloody altar.

>>1316185

It might just be me, but a bloody altar seems really overdone when writers attempt unsettling scenes, while the rust throne is something somewhat new and still offers that really creepy, "this kid's the Chaotic emperor" Word Bearers' ideal that works amazingly well for this kind of setting.

>>1316190
yea, true
I picked the altar originaly because it was the most Silent Hilly one.

>>1316205

For be it from me to make you change everything, but we don't want to make everything EXACTLY like silent hill. Silent Hill is all about the perversion of reality in the nightmares of the main villain - in this case, the planet is the home of a new empire, which has been pounded into his head from infancy. He's the New Emperor. He's been told of the False Emperor's home on Terra and his Golden Throne, and of all the trappings and guards around that throne from one of hte men who'd visited Terra before he fell to Chaos.

He keeps twisted analogies of the Adepta Custodes and Sisters of Silence as his bodyguards, and his room is a twisted, rusted form of the Palace in Terra.

Least that's how I think it'd work best.

>>1316212

Sisters of Silence

Vaguely feminine, hulking monstrosities with their mouths sewn shut and their eyes pinned open?

>>1316146

Large winged figure

Silent Hill Sanguinius?

>>1316212
thats kinda waht I aimed to do, exept i forgot to add a throne and went for the altar.
The daemon represents the new emperors desire to be protected, and also serves as a mockery to the Adpetus Custodes.

>>1316227
>>1316226
>>1316222
>>1316212

Bravo, /tg/! This is how Silent Hill works!

>>1316226
>>1316227
Sanguinus fits bill there.
Daemon Prince Sanguinus... yum.

>>1316226
>>1316233

I shat bricks.

This needs some kind of analogous Pyramid Head + retinue of Butchers to act as a broodlord and genestealers.
Afc as the point is AWESOME not point-effective, they'd be pumped on upgrades to make them cool enough.

What could a Pyramidhead and Butchers be in Eclipson?

>>1316258

Oh god, I'd think Sanguinius would be a Pyramid head, but he'd have to be a pumped up Daemon Prince.

Perhaps the Imperial Guard regimental commander for Eclipsion?

>>1316261
The one who shot the governor?
I LIKE IT!

>>1316261

I'd like the Eclipsion commander to be that general that executed the Governor and the other general for heresy. He is one of the few of the Eclipsion population that didn't become a puppet in the pseudo-Starchild's dream, but he still went sort of insane. Now he preaches the anti-Imperial creed to his faceless armies, and the few still sentient humans cling to him like lost children.

>>1316268
Scipius was the Emperor-loving general who shot the governor and then succumbed to the nightmare
Scorpius was the trust-your-men general who allied with the Word Bearers to create the Eclipsion guard

So Pyramid Head (we need to think of some other helmet than the obvious Pyramid. Needs to be more subtle) is Scipius?

And Scorpius is still "alive" and leading the guard.

>>1316261

His Giant Butcher Knife is an Eviscerator, and in his other hand, he carries a giant staff with a tattered, bloodstained Regimental Primer that's been defaced with chaotic symbols of the pseudo-Starchild.

>>1316272

He's replaced his original hat with a looted space marine helmet that's been covered with several layers of jury-rigged armor.

He went blind ever since he was brought before the Eclipsion Emperor. He has no need for mundane sight, as the boy psyker's horrible truths still remain emblazoned in his mind.

>>1316268

So the Terror Guard would have 2 elements, the monstrous troops and the more human ones that fear the dream but cannot leave it? And you'd start the battle with the human troops but swap them out for monsters as the psychic emanations of their prayers draw the presence of the pseudo-Starchild and his nightmare reality into the battlefield?

I must say this no matter how much I fear it will derail this epic awesome thread.

Eclipsion Emperor VS Little E

>>1316285

Division by 0

I just realized, in order to do this right, you need to, essentially, buy and paint TWO apocalypse armies.

Are you willing to do that, OP?

ATTENTION ALL FANS OF THE ECLIPSION TERRORGUARD

This thread is now apparently in Autosage so we need a new thread.

also Little E could still kill the Eclipsion Emperor.

You know what this would be great as? The plot hook for a tournament. Set it on Eclipsion Prime, have the warp child be the objective, have primarily IG (loyal and traitor), =I= or marine armies vs Chaos, Eldar (there's always eldar where there's psychic bullshit), and maybe Orks or Nids for the lulz.

>>1316295
N E W T H R E A D H E R E
>>1316306

Could this perhaps be archived?

>>1316561
Someone please archive.
This is epic.

Alright, here're my thought:

Primarily, I'd recommend cutting off a small portion of each models neck, thus making them weirdly angled and perfectly SHish.

Secondly, I'd also recommend a very thin film of either greenstuff or something else on just the face of your normal guard model. Cut a bit in it, but generally keep the 'second skin/plastic bag on head' feel as it reeks of Silent Hill 2.

Finally, as for whatever Force of Chaos they follow, some people said Chaos Undivided, which is fucking correct. I'd say they're leaning more towards Khornish Slaanesh, with perhaps the more thinking commanders being Tzeentch, and a thick layer of Nurgle on top of it all.

My ten cents. tl;dr