In D&D?

Rust Monsters. Lots of em.

Loli sidekick who joins them helps them out and is cute as a button. Little orphan urchin type.

Ends several sessions later with them finding her dismembered and violated, strung up in a butchers store room. The one with the relevent skill makes a check and finds out it took her hours to die.

If they have a lot of magic items, especially ones that enhance their ability scores, antimagic fields.

Recalculating everything sometimes is enough to make a grown man cry.

Make it so no matter what they do,bad things happen.

Cases in point:
-Players quest for a cure for some old woman's terminal illness, get it, give it to woman, woman dies that night from old age
-Players quest to find evidence that some guy is assaulting and battering his daughter. Just as the players return with the evidence, BOOM FATALITY.
-Players quest for some bullshit macguffin to protect a town from some evil, and need to find it before a timeline. Players find it, find out they forgot Daylight savings time. Town is dead. Make sure to have a lot of families / old people hugging and shit in death.

A lot of stuff like in Bioshock also helps.

>>2088249

I hope to god neither you or anyone as evil as you ever DM for me.

Come to the table naked, you tub of faeces.

>>2088268
Bonus points?
Have them make listen checks while they are one floor above her as she's being tortured, perhaps while investigating the rash of disappearing children. Tell them they fail no matter what.

Make sure this slowly dawns on them later.

There's a spell in the Book of Vile Darkness which makes the person's next roll automatically fail, but they believe they succeed. Then, the next round they realize they failed, and they take a moral penalty for the rest of the battle.

Use it frequently, and make the successes sound ridiculously good.

A titan with improved sunder, or if you can find the post on the wotc optimization forums, there was a character called mr sticky fingers or something like that. Essentially, after a party member got a brand new shiny sword, he goes to work. In the same round he teleports in, fucks them up, steals their shit, and teleports away. My DM used him in a campaign because one of the players fucking loved his sword. The player got so damn pissed.

Jesus fucking Christ, just show them the pictures you posted, OP. Nursing home shit is fucking depressing as hell, but the masks... they just make things worse somehow.

Bestow Curse variant from BoVD, it causes target's closest (emotionally) loved one to take a pile of damage.

>>2088295

I would suggest against this from prior experience. Some players can get violent.

1. Make them attached to something.
2. Take it away.
3. Give it to someone else.
4. Destroy it.

Do this, in any way, and they will die inside.

There's always the old standby of your players finding out that what the goblins were defending so fiercely wasn't treasure, but a nursery.

"How do you hurt the man who has lost everything?

Give him back something broken."

>>2088318
No one cares about goblin babies.

Ghostly Dragon from the Draconomicon.

"Enjoy your level loss and permanently reduced physical scores."

>>2088320
If you have sane or even semi decent players, as opposed to the internet tough guy, then any sort of humanoid baby will tug at a few heart strings.

>>2088319
I'M WRITING THAT DOWN

>>2088318
Not OP here, but this has to be a winner!

>>2088280
If they manage to confront the insane serial killer, have him ask them which one is named <insert name here>. When they ask him why, have him say "Well she kept on begging for you to save her is all".

>>2088328
My Monk used them as improvised weapons.

Baby Goblins do 1d6 damage, by the way.

>>2088328
You'd have to be some sort of sad sap to think everyone is going to give a rat's ass about a bunch of ugly cretins who fight before talking and they're rotten kin.

ITT, "HEY GUYS EVERYONE HATES DMs, LET'S GIVE THEM A BIGGER REASON TO"

>>2088318
Oh my god. Oh my god fuck that.
I wish my DMs were that awesome.

>>2088336
>They're

>>2088333

And then the players remember they have 5000 gp and a diamond (I think that's how it goes?)

>>2088328

STFU bitch. Strings my ass. You mean to tell me that a group of adventurers, called looters and thugs IRL, would actually care when after killing hundreds od creatures.... oh wai-

FUCK YOU TROLL!

Ask them if their grandchildren have visited them lately.

>>2088267

>>and shit

Yes, be sure to make light of the fact that people defecate themselves after dying.

good times

>>2088348
A. "Sorry sir, I can resurrect people, not bloody chunks of flesh."

B. "I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do. The soul connected to this body was too scarred and afraid. Whatever happened shattered more than just her physical being."

C. It works, but she never says or does anything, just sits in the corner rocking. Always rocking. Staring.

If you know what a person's loved ones look like, can you magically change a person's appearance to that, kill them, and raise them as a zombie?

Found him!
http://forums.gleemax.com/wotc_archive/index.php/t-789365 <-- complete article including three more horrible builds.

Sir Sticky Fingers (aka the Phantom): Silverbrow Human Rogue 1/Totemist 9/Umbral Disciple 3/Teflammer Shadowlord 5, Umbral Disciple 2

Feats: Able Learner (1st), Shape Soulmeld - Theft Gloves (human), Expeditious Dodge (3rd), Mobility (6th), Spring Attack (9th), Blind-Fight (12th), Bonus Essentia (15th), Double Chakra Bind (18th).

tems: +6 Item of Dexterity, +5 Tome of Dexterity, +10 Sleight of Hand competence bonus item, Incarnum Gauntlets.

Here’s how he works. First, he uses a move action to move through the dungeon wall (using his shoulder-bound Phase Cloak), ending up next to one of the PCs. Next, he uses a free action (granted by his insane Sleight of Hand check!) to steal anything off the character that isn’t nailed down. His skill bonus should be 23 (ranks) + 12 (34 Dex) + 12 (Theft Gloves) + 10 (Competence Item) = +57. You can get it higher by improving his competence item if you like. Now he uses a second move action to either move back through the wall or dimension door using his blink shirt (if he’s got to move up through the ceiling instead of just back through a wall). He can do this all day, robbing the PCs and fading away before they can do anything about it!

>>2088355

I meant other things I can't think of.

>>2088362

C woul actually be best. A constant reminder of their failure.

>>2088367
Most spells that change the person's body (like polymorph) end when the subject dies.

But polymorphing them -afterwards- is all fine and dandy.

>>2088367
Yes.

Also Dopplegangers and the spell MINDRAPE from BoVD work well in similar plans.

Tell the paladin he's being seduced by someone. Force him to fail his saving throw because all men naturally want to be seduced. After they fuck, tell him he loses his paladin powers for breaking his code of celibacy.

Force the players to kill a villain then have his son meet them later. He's a nice guy and really likable. He doesn't know at first that the heroes are his fathers killers. When he finds out force them into killing him. Then have his young daughter confront them.

I sometimes like to subtly twist things to take away some sense of accomplishment.
In one campaign every time the players went out of the city to do a quest (which they were generally sent on by the city's sheriff) when they came back they noted that the city seemed more prosperous.
Later on they found out that it wasn't because of their actions, but whenever the sheriff sent them out of town he would start rounding up the thieves, the homeless, the diseased, and certain races, only to have them killed. The absence of thieves, beggars, and the diseased made the city seem more prosperous and the players attributed it to themselves.

>>2088367
For maximum effect when the person's loved one is miles away and thinks that they're in perfect safety.

>>2088384
Hmn, I like this one, a little heavy handed but you can really work it into a good heart wrencher. Maybe incorporate it into shit like that orphan loli thing from before.

>>2088377
The mindrape spell, in ANY application, should be more than enough to hurt a player's soul.

Fuck, give every spellcaster a few scrolls of it, they're not that expensive.

>>2088413
I used it in the Evil game we ran to really fuck with my DM. Oh, you mean your self insert has a loved one? Not any more you self righteous prick.

>>2088413

If you had a doppleganger that traveled with the party and cast that every night on sleeping victims, that would be one of the most ungodly bastard ass things i've ever heard of.

>>2088362

Better yet; for a resurrection to occur, the god(s) demand a sacrifice, The life of an innocent (preferably a little girl). And/or the attempted resurrection brings the soul of the killer, not the girl back. So you have the serial killer inhabiting (and possibly masquerading as) the little girl. Think of the possibilities..

>>2088362
>C. It works, but she never says or does anything, just sits in the corner rocking. Always rocking. Staring.

Or sits there most of the time, but screams and cowers any time <insert player here> comes near her.

>>2088437
GRIMNDARK
It's not just for chainswords anymore.

>>2088437

I shudder to think that there is a player somewhere that, once realizing that the killer inhabits the body, begins raping the girl, "reasoning" its a taste of own medicine.

>>2088446
Occasionally whimpers "Why didn't you come? You said you would always be there."

"Bad girl, Bad girl, Bad girl, Bad girl"

You're all a marvelously sick bunch of bastards.

>>2088455
The easy way to avoid this is not to play with the kind of horrendous neckbeards that would "reason" that way.

>>2088437

If this little girl were as good-hearted and helpful as you say, I'd have no problem smashing and shelling my way through entire cities.

>>2088466

>The easy way to avoid this is not to play with ANYONE IN THIS THREAD

>>2088468
No namefag you are the zombies

>>2088488
I'm an idiot who doesn't know what tab he has open, please disregard.

>>2088493

And then I was a lich.

>>2088497

delete button, do you use it?

>>2088488
The cake was never there! You just ate a frosted rock!

Play out to the fullest a pc death scene, going to the greatest depths of gore, revoltion, smells, sounds, pain and time. Drag it out. And make sure at all times to show how truely little his character mattered.

>>2088483
I dunno, I think some of the people in this thread are looking at it as DMs as bait for particularly dramatic moments that actually affect their players emotionally. None of the stuff in this thread would be stuff to try without knowing for certain all the players at the table would be ok with it, but some of it would make for good drama with the right group.

I at least hope at least a few people are looking at this thread this way.

Going with the theme of killing an innocent to resurrect her, the players rationalize the act, and proceed to kidnap a girl to sacrifice in an unpleasant ritual to bring the girl back (which will, hopefully, haunt them). Not only is it murder, but the act of bringing one back from beyond is an affront to the gods. She returns, but different. Obsesses over simple superstitions, murmurs to herself ("they" are coming to bring her back), and has a deep seated fear of symbols of death and the afterlife, as well the gods of death and the afterlife (think The Mummy). Her presence is unsettling, which may manifest as seeing her as a walking corpse for a fragment of a second, having her smell of freshly dug earth, and other disquieting things.

>>2088511
But you don't want no drama. No, no drama, no, no drama.

I'm trying to avoid the old standby of "LOL U WORKED FOR BADGUY WHOLE TIME", but perhaps a scenario where you catch a thief who stole the kings gold, you take him alive but find out he's due for the gallows. A little bit later you find out he made Robin Hood look like a dick, and without his little "taxes" on the rich, all the cities orphanages/religious institutions will go bankrupt.

>>2088468

>If this little girl were as good-hearted and helpful as you say, I'd have no problem smashing and shelling my way through entire cities.

After which you find her covered in blood, with a satisfied smile on her face.

do an all psionics campaign. guaranteed to piss off almost anyone.

>>2088537

Dammt Tzeentch your plots suck balls.

Have the players all contract vampirism and think they're going to be all powerful and then have the bad guy freeze time at noon.

This is another old one from novels across the ages, but the starvation scenario.

Holed up in a castle under siege, no food for weeks, and then you notice that, hey, there actually is a source of meat available....

force them to use things like fence posts and shovels for weapons until they reach a certain point

THE ULTIMATE DIE INSIDE!

No matter what they do,

No matter how hard they try,

No matter what lengths they go to.

Eliminster will step in at the last minute, cast magic spells that FIX EVERYTHING AND SAVE THE WORLD. After which, he says some words about being wise and cautious and how he just had sex with mystra and the gals of the silverhand at the same time. Smoke some pipe, swipe all the stuff, and dissapear.

Later, people will come by asking them what was eliminster was like, and how brave and kind he was to save us. and tell them stories of other awesome things Elminster has done.

>>2088524
Not out of game drama, in game drama. The people going for out of game drama caused by in game events are fags.

>>2088551

It's late, and I'm running off of half remembered snippets from Heroes of Horror. So sue me.

>>2088568
That's more of a "make the DM die on the inside and outside because the players just ganged up and hateraped him to death" thing.

>>2088568

I would pull my knife on the DM. Everyone else would pull their knives. The DM would then pull out his knife. Who moves first will be remembered forever.

>>2088511

Bullshit. This thread is a "HAY GUYS GIVE ME STUPIDLY HORRIBLE THINGS TO DO TO MAKE MY PLAYERS LEAVE." I'm surprised it hasn't become a MAKE THIS PALADIN FALL thread, it's sure made by the same kind of DM.

>>2088587
You strike me as the blackleaf kind of player. Oh god actually challenges and/or plot development? FUCK THAT.

>>2088587
The OP was like that in the initial question, and so are a lot of the responses, but not all of the responses are.

>>2088587
No, if we were having that thread, you'd see suggestions like, "And it turns out it was all a dream."

"And then <dmselfinsert> saves the day"

>>2088585

Beyond the worrying fact you all bring weapons to the gaming table, that situation sounds awesome.

>>2088599

Again, bullshit. The little orphan girl that you adamantly force the players to watch die horribly, that they can't save, ever? Then you continue rubbing it in their faces? That's not drama, that's "LOL GUYS SO I WAS ON /guro/ THE OTHER DAY"

Players are commissioned to stop Smugglers, who have been stealing Herb X, a very potent substance, from caravans leaving the city and to return the stolen shipments. Players kill smugglers on the road, but track the shipments to Town Y, where they find out that the people there a suffering from a devastating plague and they need Herb X to cure their ailment.

lol firefly.

"Congratulations, you killed Jasmine and put an end to world peace."
"No, we didn't stop world peace... Did we?"

>>2088745
>>2088758
Whedon mind?

Some good stuff in this thread, a lot of which I've saved in a .txt to work into future adventures.

>>2088745
I have this vision of an Artificer creating the perfect little golems, but then he accidentally adds an extra ingredient to the concoction:
HERB X.

This thread is now about what to steal from Joss Whedon to make your players die inside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1emJI9DICzE

>>2088785
Thus the power-gamer golems were born! Using their ultra-munchkin powers, Flesh, Clay, and Iron have dedicated their lives to crime, and the forces of evil!

>>2088680
There's nothing wrong with not letting your players do something no matter what they do, as long as they don't feel like it was inevitable. Thus ideally for a "there was no way to save her" to work emotionally for players, they need to be able to obviously affect the end result of most things you put in your game.

lamentations of the women and kids over their dead husbands and fathers you just axed, wailing ,crying, spitting curses, crying for their loved ones to get back up, and demanding WHY

unless they are powerleveling assholes or
fatguys immune to emotion, this should make the characters squirm a little.

Just rub their tummies :3

>>2088233

WHAT THE FUCKING CHRIST IS GOING ON IN THIS PICTURE?

If it's a modern setting make an adventure in a haunted mall, stuck at christmas time.

Play 3 annoying christmas song on repeat for the whole evening, they are going to go insane, or the players are going to waste all their ammo to destroy the speakers of the place.

as they slay a goblin, suddenly they hear a scream to their side, and see a goblin matron, wide-eyed dropping what looks like a lunch-package, sobbing first, then getting a crazy look in her eyes and charging them with her kitchen knife - they just murdered her son.

>>2089727

I knock her down then club her to death with her son's body. Finally I loot the knife.

>>2089087
Well, you just covered about 95% of D&D players.

Give the players the mission to infiltrate a powerful evil organisation that took over a peaceful village and uses it as their temporary base.

Make them squirm as the surviving innocent villagers get abused every day, have them do immoral missions to get deeper into the organisation, reward them with tainted, fuked up evil items that are powerful, but require a terrible price to work.

>>2088431
Awesome!

>>2089109

halloween you fucking retard

So this adorable little orphan girl? I'm loving that idea. But what tactics can we use to make sure ALL players think she's adorable and helpful.

>>2088233
I don't play dnd, but could you have the players invading a town to get some kind of artefact, thinking its some kind of evil orc town or something, but the whole time they have been under a spell. Its actually their home town, and the wizard needs the townspeople sacrificed for some great spell or summoning.
You could have one of the players only half affected, so he keeps getting flashes of the real town and the dying people (rather than dying orcs). The players then have the choice of continuing to butcher people, or listen to the party member who half sees the real thing.
The end game can be once the town is fully slaughtered and they go after the wizard, or if they decide to stop, the wizard comes after them.
Another alternative would be get the players to choose the wrong course, without it seeming too biased, ie two items can be obtained to save a town, both as powerful, but one turns out to be cursed (players need to spot the curse?)

if the players a paladin have a curse bestowed on him that makes him constantly smelling of booze. Then make it so that no one ever believes him, and eventually he loses his paladinship due to this.

>>2089972
this could also tie in to the whole loli thing. Have it so that he is the only one in the group that knows about the killer inside the loli's body, but nobody believes him. So as they travel on and he loses his paladiness, and eventually the killer starts to murder wherever they go. Eventually the group is blamed and former friends of the paladin is sent out to kill the group.

>>2089986
IT ALL TIES TOGETHER INTO A NEAT LITTLE PACKAGE!

Tons and tons of gelatinous cubes

Anything that destroys equipment pisses off most players.

In mutant: UA there is a sort of astral being that can join a persons mind if they allow them too. In time, the astral swallows the persons mind and take their body but the original owner is fully aware of this from the start.

I had a quest where the party had to save a pcs sister only to find that she was already gone as an astral had consumed her mind.

>>2088464
Thanks. We try.

MOAR!

>>2089718
I really like this one, I have a All Flesh Must Be Eaten book and a Manhiem Steamroller cd. Insanity WILL insue.

>>2090867

You are a cruel, cruel man.

>>2090867
Anybody who works retail will want to strangle you to death.

Have your FINAL FIGHT take place and have the BBEG's 5 year old son/daughter run in after/before it begins.

EXTRA BAD END, have the youngster pick up their dead parent's weapon and have them attempt their hardest to kill the PC's, either forcing them to disarm the kid or kill it.

>>2090908

You don't, perchance, work at Borders?

I worked retail once. I knew a guy. I wanted to strangle him.

>>2090908
The GM that came up with the idea works retail.

>>2090867
Tell us how it went. :3
You could loop a really annoying section, then use that version to simulate a skipping CD... :)

When your BBEG manages to incapacitate the party, pick a girl/innocent/likable/social character.

Proceed to kill that character slowly, very slowly while talking about how much pain and suffering the character has.
The BBEG needs to get the fuck out, leaving the dying PC behind while the other PC's struggle out of their constrictions.

The next time the party faces the BBEG, pull off the same...

>>2090908 its really true i work for home depot and i wanna strangle 95% of my customers. >>2088249 that whole little girl deal would make me die a little. sadly my players wouldnt flinch off of that. they are all chaotic evil and make it a point to do horrible things like that.

Look. Goddamnit. Half this thread is doing it wrong. Making the players die inside != pissing them off with random DM dickery.
Destroying/stealing equipment is dickery. it's just "rocks fall" but for equipment. You want a real EMOTIONAL RESPONSE. You either want them to suffer ennui, depression, or best cast, horrible shame and internal defeat. The "Bittersweet victory" thing.

>>2088312
lol, i forced u to fall!
This is doing it wrong, right there.

>>2088556
This is pretty good

>>2089972
so is this. But to make it GREAT, make sure the player realizes that they have been cursed by the BBEG at the start of the fight. The player should NOT know what the curse is. As the BBEG drops and is dying in front of the players, he sputters out the truth: The curse causes all the pain and injury(damage) they cause others to be copied onto their loved ones, family, and friends.

If the players have no NPC friends or family (like in a hack n' slash game) then just use a nearby town as the victims.

TERRIBLE MODE: The BBEG tells the players about the curse as they enter his chambers, just before launching into melee. And make sure that the players have every reason to believe he is lying.

See, the best ones are where the players KNOW that certain actions will have horrible reprocussions and side effects, but the consequence of NOT doing it is even worse.

Challenge:
Make players of evil characters die inside.

Simple suggestion: ruin their shit, destroy equipment, kill familiars etc.

Complex suggestion: curse them with goodness.
The wizards damaging spell all heal/cure innocent targets.
The fighters can't raise their weapons against innocent bystanders, have the urge to help old ladies cross the street.
Rogues can't steal and lie anymore, they always pay huge tips to barmen and traders.

>>2088362
All three of those are retarded attempts to stir up drama, and make your players hate you.

>>2088463
Their called heal spells, they work on mental trauma.

>>2091132
Evil characters are not that much different, only in how they'll respond. They'll still have loved ones, or some grand project that they will want to work on.

This of course assumes you didn't mean the type of player that thinks Chaotic Evil means Chaotic Stupid.

>>2091207
Do they? I've never seen any indication that this would be so.

>>2091169
Better ideas?

You could have some goodie two shoe paladins smite the shit out the characters, but that's not mindfuckery.

>>2091132
Ruin their plans just before completion in the most unfair, anticlimactic and unsatisfying way possible. Don't give them any chance for revenge either.

>>2091207
Mindrape might work, but I've never seen a healing spell that claims to cure mental trauma.

Maybe have a BBEG trump the evil players in every way, steal their objective and flaunt it in their face that all they could ever accomplish is insignificant compared to his dark glory.

>>2091225

In the evil game we're currently running I made it very clear, that no matter what, at the end a plucky teenager and his 3 companions were gonna stop them at exactly the last moment. The evil pc's will have never seen them before that they can recall, but the teens seem to think they've fought countless times and foiled all sorts of plots.

>>2091207

I've never heard of them working on mental trauma.

Depends on your evil player. The cleric type would feel it, if after all his sacrifices, his promised "ascension" is just a one way ticket to his masters dinner table in the abyss.

Wizard would eventually find out that there is no real point to his magic accumulation, save more magic.

Fighter type is ALWAYS gonna want some kind of loyal underling or loved regiment.

Make one of the the generic fightingcharacters grow a big fleshy balloon from his back that allows him to gain flight speed 15 or 20. The balloon of flesh has a personality and just wants to be friends. It dies a horrible and tragic death after getting in an argument with the fighter.

>>2091132
this is an AMAZING idea and im gonna have to implement this with my evil players

b4 the game starts have each of the players pick a overall goal for their character.

Force them to choose between the other PC's lives and their achiving their goal. Make sure that they won't get another chance at fufiling the goal if they pass it up. And when they choose what they want have it fall through anyways so they end up with nothing.

and if you want to really fuck up let one of the other PCs live through it and let him/her get some revenge.

RE: Loli.
To endear the Loli to all members of the group, introduce her as a scout for an urban mission of some variety. She leads the group to location X so they can kill group Y. Along the way they all chat about the upcoming mission, and how the girl has some grudge against group Y (maybe they're why she's an orphan). Once the group arrives she gets paid and then says her job is done and she's leaving and wishes them good luck.
Then flub a roll so that the whole group gets captured and tied up James Bond style. While the leader of group Y is holding them in his lair and mocking their stupidity have the loli appear out of the shadows and free them.
After the climactic battle, just as they're about to deliver the coup-de-grace to the LBEG, she screams "Stop", and begs them not to shed any more blood. If they do, the LBEG goes to the local prison and the loli joins the group.
For additional Mindfuckery, have the LBEG be the guy who shreds her.

Give the BBEG a good reason for doing what he did, have him explain that although some may be harmed initially in the long run he will save more people. After he is killed allow the players to witness what he tried to prevent.

>>2091132
Create some goody two shoes NPC character and make him really well liked and respected in the local village/city. Perhaps by having him interfere with the party's evildoing and winning with people's support.
Then, when the party is involved in some other evil quest, let them know they have competition and have that competition be the same good character. If they fail have them captured and imprisoned, while the good character completes the quest, becomes richer and more powerful, and still enjoys pristine reputation.

>>2088249
...You are a very bad man.

As this is relevant - in the campaign I am currently DMing, one of the characters has been commissioned by the thieves guild to steal a powerful artifact from a cult based in a mountain town.

At some point, she discovers that the cult is actually an underground humanitarian group that distributes food and protection to peasants in the area, protecting them from bandits and other dangers.

She discovers this, of course, after the entire populace of the area has been slain by an invading warband.

Wow, you're all twisted fucks.

If you have read this comic book you know what to do.

>>2088233
Play FATAL

I actually loved the idea of the "Goblin Nursery" and the tortured little girl. Maybe I can twist this shit for my current campaign.

>>2091767
Add insult to injury. Have the good guy act all benevolent, working with the system to try and get the characters reformed, but not give them a 'get out of jail free' card. Give them sadistic parole officers who are petty villains (lesser than the players), but are never found out by the good guy. Put them under a geas (or other unbreakable compulsion) and make them do charity work, where they have to work their arses off trying to exploit any loophole to gain anything selfishly, or get the satisfaction of doing something evil. Only allow them to kill things when they're sent off to stop something even more evil.

Bump for the bump gods!
We need more ideas!

>>2089822

No shit, nigger, but it's the retard ward setting thats creeping me out.

Have an orphanage in hell, with helpless cambion children whose parents were killed by the PCs. Make the destruction of the orphanage a quest goal.

Make them play mage the awakening as written.
>>2088568

No dice, Our solar Circle traveled through a dozen dimensions to kill him and then gangbang mystra.

>>2088382
better make >>2088249 his daughter.

>>2088249

Noh.

But then she explodes horrifically for no apparent reason.

>>2095596
/tg/ is full of very disturbed people.

Rather than tricking the players into doing horrible atrocities and other misc bad things, get them into rationilizing their actions against a greater good, and/or give some heavy unforseen consequences.

For example, If they want to have an edge vs the BBEG, they need some artifact guarded by some temple in some town. Not an evil temple, just some hard working folk, defending the temple and the artifact with their lives. Even if the PCs manage to steal the artifact and make a clean break, they'll find out later the artifact held something at bay, and perhaps a demon was no longer imprisoned and killed almost all the town on escape.

Or regularly put well intention people trying to foil them, either out of ignorance, or perhaps as revenge for crimes commited by the pcs.

>>2091266
>>2091267
Combine these two, the BBEG has been actively strengthening the plucky teenage group, just so he can use them as a execution tool for rivals/dickery. Have him give the evil party a good luck speech before their final (fatal) battle.

This is great, just great...

Except it wouldn't fit in with my plans at all.

Damn.

>>2091267

I should definitely use this for an evil Mutants and Masterminds game I'm running

I've always thought that the bitterest pills to swallow where the ones that seem like random chance and not DM dickery.
Tweak your DM rolls and then look worried, re-roll just to be sure and then look a little annoyed. THEN kill the loli, like you didn't really plan on it. Set it up to give them extra incentive to win and then snatch it back.

this thread is a thing of beauty

>>2096348

Yes

>>2096348
archive worthy even?

In a recent WarHammer Fantasy game the players had searched for 4 weeks the daughter of a now dead duke. Leads brought them to a small underground cave inhabited by goblins who had taken the girl. After pushing through spider dens and masses of the pointy nosed bastards they finnally came upon the central cave where a few goblins were holding the sobbie little girl, the shaman holding a knife to her throat.

Our teams leader drew his weapon and let out a thunderous speech on how he would hunt the greenskin to the end of the earth if they laid a finger on the girl.

Unfortunately the goblin shaman was spooked by the size of the player's blade, and quickly slit the throat of the girl, mounted a spider, and ran away.

The players all sat there jaws on the floor, letting the reality that goblins don't give a fuck about hostages in lieu of self-preservation settle in.

Bump this thread for great justice. I´m gonna use a lot of these ideas! Thanks Anon!

>>2097154
THIS.
ALL THE TIME.
D&D STANDS FOR DAAAAWANDDARK.

>>2088249
If being a DM is that cool then I want to be one.

>>2088233

http://rapidshare.com/files/27771153/Little_Fears_Core_Rules.pdf

Get this. Read it. Study it. Apply it to your gaming sessions.

Watch your players break.

>>2097999
Seconded.

Also, bump.