>manwitches

In before SANDWITCHES

>>2843711

Oh you.

FFFFFFFFFF

>>2843728
Oh yea, that's the stuff.

What is DitS? Some kinda Sutaraiku Witsushin game?

>>2843761
Basically Strike Witches the RPG.

>>2843767

Another /tg/ project that will be 1) never finished, 2) inferior to just running BESM or OVA or 3) both?

>>2843773
A /tg/ project that is 1) a work in progress 2) surprisingly popular and 3) UNSPEAKABLY AWESOME.

Here is a picture of Charlotte "Shirley" Yeager breaking the sound barrier with her enormous breasts. This is completely related.

ROLL FOR YAPPARI HENTAI DA YO.

It's like the thinking man's FATAL.

I'm still pissed off that some guy ruined Trigger Discipline by turning it into... I don't even know what the hell it turned out to be. I don't give a rat's ass about some Touhou or SW RPG turning out shitty because they're not terribly bright ideas to begin with and don't really need a system of their own, but Trigger Discipline had an actual new and interesting idea behind it and more importantly it was something you couldn't really do well with already existing RPGs. It's a lot more painful to see something you were really looking forward to turned to garbage.

>>2843797
>>2843823
CRY SOME MORE

>>2843823
Ruined? How so?

>>2843844
I'm the poster of >>2843797, and believe me, I meant that as a compliment, not an insult.

>>2843845
The whole budget idea and gaming was dropped and scraped. It became a lackluster rule lite dice pool rpg.

I think its one Wednesdays, check out the discussion page on 1d4chan. I wasn't here last two for the most part due to meetings so I don't know if it is still going. Though a second playtest group should be set up for more rollplaying (as to iron out obvious kinks in the gameplay) as our current group is more then happy to play almost diceless it seems.

>>2843879
Oh, silly me, I didn't even notice the discussion page.

>>2843859

Hopefully when Dadga gets back he'll shed some more light on those rules. I was kind of hoping to see how they'd play out as well.

>>2843845

My making it an incomprehensible, overly abstract narrativist game with little left of its original "trying to get a mecha anime through a full season while being one of the characters" concept. What was clever about the original idea was that you were supposed to be simultaneously in and out of character and had to balance the good of your own character versus the good of the whole show, and well, I don't see much of that in the final version:

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddtpw56g_98ftqhjgf

Also I don't see toying around with the "it's all an anime" thing. There should be a huge amount of tropes and cliches turned into gameplay abilities in this sort of thing, but instead we've got a really bare-bones setup.

>>2843898

Technically it still is a beta

Perhaps an example serves better.

>Play Structure
>The director decides how long each episode of the game lasts; as a general guideline, each episode should have an underlying short-term goal for the players that advances the plot and involves 3-6 challenges. A challenge is any sequence involving multiple dramatic actions and a chance of faliure. Overcoming a challenge requires a certain number of successes, usually at least 1 per player, with exact number being up to the director. During a challenge, play is divided up into rounds; each round characters declare what they are going to try to do, then simultaneously roll one or more dice and see how many successes they earn.

This is really not the sort of stuff that I expected or wanted to see in Trigger Discipline. Officious, overly abstract language, rules for things that don't need rules (episode length) and, at least on the face of it, turning each episode into a short series of die rolls that could represent anything and it makes no difference what.

Also, the system is really heavily based on sheer dumb luck, to the point that the way to gain fanbase bonuses is to just _roll well._ The only way to affect the outcome of scenes is to spend your GAR points that you gain by playing your archetype. And that's it. That seems to be the whole game.

Weeelll. After months of putting off the last episode due to no one being able to get together, DiTS pretty much ended.

However, season 2 started recently, new ruleset. Expect a writeup on that. There's been a bunch of stuff added that really needs to be put together. Just haven't gotten to it yet. >_<

I personally really want budget back, but it's hard to do it justice at the moment. It's probably one of the last things to be looked at once everything else is ironed out.

Chence deck should be used. It's a matter of making a table out of it to randomly roll for. It can be easily expanded upon once people come up with new ideas, though some will have to be rewritten due to dignity never having really been implemented.

Wait wait. There's a Strike Witches-themed TD game with a similar acronym? Ewww.

>>2843954
Thats the whole idea behind the system, it was never meant to be another animu fighter game it was made to have that weird you play as the director quirk. The fact that he gives guidlines on how he thinks the style of play works best does not kill its roleplaying potential and any good GM will substitute a good idea done through role play for a series of generic dice rolls. GAR was always meant to be a god stat.

>>2843972

The TD game is not Strike Witches themed. It's a straight up mecha game, and one of the original TD testbeds.

It had this acronym first, hence the confusion/

On the issue of Trigger Discipline:

The budget rules are still there. Most people ignore them because most players go "Well, we spend one point of budget on the talking scenes, and then THREE POINTS ON THE COMBAT SCENES!", so in the experience of the play test, it has been dropped because it seemed superficial, and a detail that the Director has to look after that the other players don't really care about.

And, for the fanbase argument, there are other ways to get it. Usually something that makes everyone go "Wow, that was cool!", or in high budget scenes. Seriously, I believe if nobody has gained an impromptu fanbase point for some awesome, the group is doing it wrong. But that's just me.

>>2843981

I don't know what you're trying to say. My point is that 1) the thing reads like it's written by a lawyer, 2) it has a system where every episode is reduced into a series of meaningless rolls the players can't really affect through their own actions (you basically chuck the same dice no matter what the situation and just hope to roll well), and 3) that's pretty much all there is. It's an extremely shallow little thing.

It's true that a good GM can do wonders to a game, but to play a good game of Trigger Discipline my first step would be to throw this abomination out of the window and create a new system from scratch.

>>2844028
At this point, I feel it's better if the director has final say over Budget. Or, better yet, if budget is just reflected upon in the Chance deck as flavor, though that kind of has its own drawbacks.

>>2843989
Right. I'm continuing DiTS in its second season. Was kinda surprised there was an SW one with a similar acronym, though.

What does DitS stand for, anyway?

>>2844046
Damn. The new stuff needs to be written up ASAP, then. Everyone's had a blast with it so far. Throw in the Chance Deck and once Budget is rebalanced/redone, we should have us something good.

I wrote up rules for a Macross-themed game a couple months back. Game never actually happened, but it had rules for squad attacks, once-a-scene attacks, once-an-episode signature attacks, and a MUSIC SYSTEM that helped buff people. Good times.

A bunch of that made it into the current version we're using, along with other new things.

>>2844076
Destiny in the Stars.

Unless you mean the Strike Witch thing...

>>2844076
Destiny in the Stars. A generic, dramatic title for a space opera themed show!

>>2844076
Dive into the Sky.

Shit, maybe the other DitS should have kept the LFJ nick name for simplicity...

Or was it LJF?

>>2844157
Lesbo jet fighter. Creator didn't like it for the same reasons /tg/ doesn't like necro loli.

>>2844172
Why can't /tg/ always been in the party mood, like our rockin' God-Emperor?

Dreams in the Stars player here. I molest an underage B& in it, and receive bonuses for doing so.

This game is awesome.

>>2844204
Dive into the Sky player here, girl felt up a loli while getting ready for a bath then molester got pistol whipped by her and they both get bonus dice to use latter. We have a lot in common.

>>2844245

I think we could be good friends.

>>2844204
>>2844245
You both have my attention.

>>2844292

It's great. Once per episode I can double my bonus to sexually harass the underage Captain, and if I succeed, my Plot Armor is restored.

>>2844204
>>2844245
>>2844286
>>2844292
You fucking know why.

Some of the things I hate about TD:

- Almost the only way to make characters different from each other are the "disciplines" (= skills - why not just call them skills when that's what they are?), which you have to make up yourself. It's the same problem Risus has: when you tell somebody to make up whatever they want, out of the blue, a lot of people either can't come up with anything, or won't feel the need to bother. Also, all of them work exactly the same, which makes things nicely uniform, but also fucking boring.

A better way to do this would be to keep 1-3 basic scores for general use (Gar would be one of these) and handle everything else via a long, long list of amusing tropes turned into abilities that all work differently. Things like an ability called Instant Replay letting you deal double damage in combat because your hits get shown twice, or Off-screen Teleportation letting you disappear like Batman. Some comedy game about action movies did that, I can't recall the name right now though.

- Reducing the game to a strict form of season = 26 episodes, episode = 4-5 scenes, scene = 3-6 skill rolls with the events automatically moving to the next scene when the current one is completed is complete railroading faggotry. Just treat each episode as an adventure and let the players find their own way through it like in a regular RPG.

- Giving the players rights to narrate things? FUCK THAT, PEDRO. The GM does all narration in this neighborhood!

- The "lawyerly" writing style only makes the rules harder to read. Don't do that.

>- Giving the players rights to narrate things? FUCK THAT, PEDRO. The GM does all narration in this neighborhood!


As a TD player I have to say being able to describe your killer ultimate move every time is fucking fantastic.

Are there IRC logs of actual TD games anywhere?

>>2844355
Half the ship hates you for it, and jumps at the chance to smack you square in the face.

...Despite being the XO.

>>2844382
>Screw these ideas lets just make it rules lite and generic and follow the age old DM IS GOD model.

>>2844467
As soon as we find them all, we'll post up the DiTS season 1 in its entirety. All six episodes and the countless omakes in between.

Final episode never aired but has been summed up.

>>2844469

It's the price you pay for AWESOME

>>2844470

Being new and different does not automatically mean you're any good, you know. The "DM = GOD" model has been used for so long because it works so damn well.

>>2844490

The player narration works surprisingly well in TD, it's a big selling point.

The narration is very easy to house rule either way, and since the players only narrate their own successes the "fog of war" issue doesn't come up. It's not a major issue.

>Reducing the game to a strict form of season = 26 episodes, episode = 4-5 scenes, scene = 3-6 skill rolls with the events automatically moving to the next scene when the current one is completed is complete railroading faggotry.

I don't think it's supposed to work like that, though the phrasing in the playtest rules may lead you to think so. In any case, the length of episodes is something that seriously doesn't need rules, and describing scenes as a bunch of die rolls is really wrongheaded, it's like if the D&D combat rules started with the words "the object of combat is to lower the opponent's numbers while preventing him from lowering your numbers". I think more important than actual rules changes is that the rules themselves are thoroughly rewritten to be less of a buzz-kill and more in the intended spirit of the game.

>>2844157
The latest pdf release of it has the title as "Lesbo Jet Fighters: Dive into the Sky...There, that title should scare off anyone with a sense of shame."

>>2844483
>As soon as we find them all, we'll post up the DiTS season 1 in its entirety. All six episodes and the countless omakes in between.

I await this quite eagerly. Sure, it's essentially just bad fanfiction, but it should still be fun to read.

People who play DitS should try to get more artistically inclined, though. Drawing pictures of their characters and so on, moe moe~ drawing isn't too hard. Good artistic works can come of RPG sessions...the anime "Record of Lodoss War" was based on a D&D campaign.

>>2845220

A bit hard to do when only two people in the group have any remotely good drawing talent

>>2844382

>- Almost the only way to make characters different from each other are the "disciplines" (= skills - why not just call them skills when that's what they are?), which you have to make up yourself. It's the same problem Risus has: when you tell somebody to make up whatever they want, out of the blue, a lot of people either can't come up with anything, or won't feel the need to bother. Also, all of them work exactly the same, which makes things nicely uniform, but also fucking boring.

Actually, we've got a system set up where players can ask for their disciplines to do different things, like extra damage, or grant bonuses. One character actually has a discipline that does different things whenever he uses it.

>- Reducing the game to a strict form of season = 26 episodes, episode = 4-5 scenes, scene = 3-6 skill rolls with the events automatically moving to the next scene when the current one is completed is complete railroading faggotry. Just treat each episode as an adventure and let the players find their own way through it like in a regular RPG.

We actually don't adhere to this.

>- Giving the players rights to narrate things? FUCK THAT, PEDRO. The GM does all narration in this neighborhood!

Well, that's just like your opinion man. We enjoy narrating our attacks very much, and each Director has had no problems with it.

>- The "lawyerly" writing style only makes the rules harder to read. Don't do that.

I have no response to that, I agree entirely.

Does it make me a horrible person to want to run a Dive In The Sky one-shot game but instead of mecha musume (which is seriously likely to make my friends call the FBI on me) use pilots and planes?

I like the system but the setting is just too pedophilic for me.

>>2845726
GO FOR IT! Who cares what the flavor is so long as you have fun?

>>2845190
Seriously?

I'll have to get into it and work on my CoC setting idea for it.

>>2845726

I don't see anything wrong with it.

I'd run DitS for my group but I don't think I could stand the constant "YOU'VE FAILED ME YET AGAIN STARSCREAM" whenever the F-22 character fails at something.

>>2845838
b-.. But-..

Starscream is an F-14! T_T

>>2845838

That settles it, I know what I'm doing for my one-shot. DiTS: Top Ace Baron Rosso: Imperialis 2010: Frontier 7 Combat Guns Plus 633: The Unsung Stealth Front Busters: Remember Love War of Culture.

It will be a Spirit of the Century/Munchausen affair with DiTS rules for most things, but instead of traits like "Tsundere" and "Big Tits" you've got Aspects from Spirit of the Century.

It will feature the PCs as part of Red Skull Ace Wing, serving under Admiral Mark Ross of the USS Ark Royal, a super-carrier owned by the Holy United Nations Space-y Air Task Force.

Their foes will be Communists, neo-Nazis, pop singers with villainous agents, rogue AIs, blimps, aliens, robots and at times each other, culminating in an epic battle against an enemy superweapon.

So, /tg/, help me fit in as many parodies of things with planes or plane-like fliers in as possible.

>>2845726
You disgust me.

>>2845902
IIRC he was a F-15 in the old cartoon, But in the new movie he's a F-22.

>>2845726
That's part of why I love the idea of the game so much. It really just plays straight dog fighting for the most part, but you can make it as insane as you want. It's a great base for tossing on any rules you like, and good craziness as is.

>>2845617
And my good tablet won't work with my PC, go fig. I've been meaning to draw more characters.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?vdjutckma1d

DITS season 1 in its entirety, I suppose. As mentioned before, Episode 7 isn't around because we never got around to finishing it.

Season 2 will come up later, along with a synopsis of how things turned out.

>>2845726
>pedophilic

I don't think you actually know what pedophilia is. Go read a dictionary.

This thread is confusing. Dive into the Sky got a name change?

>>2847785
It got its name slightly changed because of an older TD game from a while back, Destiny in the Stars.

>>2847797
Okay....

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Dive_into_the_Sky

It's still called Dive into the Sky, just that it's also more affectionately known as Lesbo Jet Fighters.

IRC Channel info can be found here http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Talk:Dive_into_the_Sky

Sup/tg/ also apparently have a group going but I don't know if they've played any games yet.

The system lends well to various kinds of games, from Ace Combat, Strike Witches to Ring Raiders.

Wolkenritter Squadron should partake in regular games soon enough. We went nuts in the first two weeks burning ourselves out with tears on the tarmac, choking the only male with panties and crazy Tsundere Loli squadron leader putting the fear of god into us.

>>2847815
Ah hah hah. I see what's going on in this thread now.

I've got the chatlogs from all(Most?) of the Dive into the Sky test games so far. I see there's been some confusion with the Trigger Discipline group who's actual game was called Destiny in the Stars.

Just call DitS Lesbo Jet Fighters. It's straighter to the point.

Ah! Here we go!

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=df6nc7r4_6dtjjhzcc

Spent all night writing this down. Enjoy.

>>2848615

Ooooh. Shiny. Let's see what /tg/ thinks.

>>2847755
Be warned, Season 1 is full of EXTRA HERESY.

>>2848697
Delicious extra heresy?

>>2848615

Oh, not bad.

>>2850213
No sex, but lots of awkward, clueless XENOS LOVE.

>>2850585

THE HERESY

>>2850642
IT'S EXTRA HERETICAL!

>>2850682

DOUBLE HERESY

>>2848615

I still think there should be some more examples. Most people are retards when it comes to quantifying personal aptitudes.

>>2850923
All right. Here you go. Check the link again, added a few more at the bottom.

>>2851001

Cool, thanks

Here's a sketch I just drew up now, I'd love to contribute drawfaggotry to the project. I kind of suck though, since I'm just learning to use the tablet (Sunday was "how to draw lines that don't look like those of a Parkinson's Disease sufferer").

>>2851406
Lawl at drawfaggotry.

>>2851406
° —°

>>2851461
:V

>>2851406
Oh, oh wow. Join the IRC channel.

There really needs to be a cannonic "Strike Witches-verse" campaign, because an RPG without any setting or cohesive world view is just nonsense.

>>2850239
Well I guess that'd be the pedo sister...