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Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)03:48 No.2971130

Noticed some people complaining that my junk wasn't piled into one box, so here:

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/56c29aac9cd88f576c050c8050e29de3/

P.S. - If the image is too serious for you, I offer you the following consolation: in the grim darkness of the year 40,000, people still soil themselves when they die.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)03:51 No.2971145 DEEP.... Emotional.... fucklaw is neither but meh I like it.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)03:52 No.2971148 wow

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)03:55 No.2971167 Love it. Finally a bit of depth to a childish and generally stupid character.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)03:56 No.2971178 >>2971130 Manly Tears were shed. ;_;

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:01 No.2971216 This is... eloquent. Very eloquent. This is beautiful.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:01 No.2971217 moar.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:05 No.2971239 >>2971217 Hush. Do not bring your hungry clamor here. This thread is reserved for reverence and tales of the human suffering inherent to war. If there is moar, moar will come in due time. Do not disgrace yourself with impatience.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:06 No.2971253 File :1226307982.jpg-(463 KB, 423x2000, 1224367955057.jpg) Never saw this one before...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:06 No.2971256 the only reason i could see an angry marine being sad is because they cant kill weedy gits anymore (in the emperors name of course) ...actualy that might be pretty sad

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:09 No.2971267 >>2971256 I would like to see some drawfaggotry of an angry marine contemplating the end of conflict, what it would be like if humanity finally overcame all its enemies in line with the somber tone of the OP's picture.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:09 No.2971271 >>2971239 Actually, I'm going to bed. Then college. Then spending tomorrow drawing an art history project. So, feel free to complain!

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:12 No.2971282 >>2971271 Ah. Well good luck with the art project then.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:12 No.2971285 this drawfag makes up for his lack of style with his excess of intelligence in writing his jokes and stories. I'm okay with that.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:17 No.2971315 This drawfag has earned a special place in my heart.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:24 No.2971357 Gaw, drawing a fucking stupid meme and attempting to be "deep" I hope you flunk your history project when the teacher notices what a pretension little fuck you are.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:30 No.2971390 Ah, now I understand why he's so angry. Makes perfect sense. Though, when Angry Marines die, wouldn't their last thoughts and wishes be that they could live just long enough to kick another heretical fuck's balls up into their chest cavity?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:30 No.2971393 >>2971357 >pretension I love it when trolls fuck up

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:34 No.2971427 >>2971393 he's so unpretentious that he doesn't need to use spelling or grammar. Truly, the epitome of the common man.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:42 No.2971464 People that sage drawfag threads tend to be DnD or Exalted people with no interest in 40k, who apparently never man up and just request a drawing. They don't really believe anything they spout - they're just butthurt, that's all.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:42 No.2971467

I find it ironic that our troll here is the best example of the common man. Uneducated to the point where he thinks a style that emphasizes speed is not a style at all. Uneducated to the point where he thinks that because something has become popularized, i.e. a meme, that it must be shallow and meaningless by nature and therefore can never be made deep.

He isn't really a troll he is a fool. A populist fool. Because so long as things are clearly "us and them" he will have someone to hate, to blame for all the problems in the world.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:43 No.2971474 >>2971462 Deep is a word you pretentious fucks made to separate yourselves. GET OVER YOURSELVES YOU FUCKS.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:44 No.2971480 You know, you don't see 'Nids drawfagged much. Sure, there's your occasional cutesy animoo one, but that's usually as far as they go.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:51 No.2971535 >>2971480 Nids don't have much story other then ABSORB BIOMASS. and jeanstealer( I saged for drizzt of the necron), unyuufex and lolifex already get enough attention as is

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)04:54 No.2971549 >>2971535 Yeah, but races that DO have content beyond "kill, rape, absorb" fight them. It was bound to happen at some point.

>>	Lazy DM V !vONhvIg88o 11/10/08(Mon)04:54 No.2971551 Gonna be a bit sycopanthic(sp?) here for a bit: Not bad.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:00 No.2971574 Psychopathic?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:00 No.2971577 Cylon-magic?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:00 No.2971579 >people still soil themselves when they die Damn! I hate wearing stolen pants with shit-stains on them...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:01 No.2971585 >>2971574 >>2971577 ?????mind

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:05 No.2971605 >>2971577 >>2971574 He meant sycophantic. It means being a suck-up.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:20 No.2971662 >>2971130 I was waiting for a punchline and I still am

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:22 No.2971668 >>2971662 You won't get it since he's trying to be "deep".

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:30 No.2971683 >>2971668 Oh, right. Seriously, I was honestly expecting some sudden FUKLAW BEATDOWN DOUBLE FUCKING EXTRA HERESY action, and the ending just... confused me for a minute. Also "God" needs an "-EMPRAH" on it. Art is pretty nice though.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:39 No.2971693

>>2971662
>>2971668

I thought the punchline is the same as in those "Nietzsche's Family Circus" or "H.P. Lovecraft's Family Circus" or remixed Garfield comics, it's the humor of contrast and transposition, taking a familiar subject and jarring it out of place with something else that is familiar enough to the audience to be known, and known to be foreign to that familiar subject.

This does not seem like a dramatic change-up. This does not look like Cerberus syndrome. This just looks like a different kind of joke than the expected one.

I didn't lol or anything, but I kinda liked it just the same.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:43 No.2971698 I am actually glad about this work because it shows Fuklaw talking like a normal person, also I've been waiting to find out his first name so I could use it in my own shitty stories.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:44 No.2971707 >>2971605 This is the same guy who brought us the Angry Marine Titan. I personally think that's worth an e-blowjob or two.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)05:49 No.2971709 >>2971668 fucking refer to >>2971467

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:01 No.2971741 File :1226314899.jpg-(1.2 MB, 712x2500, 1223640273551.jpg) The best part about this is knowing that within the next hour, he's going to look like this.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:02 No.2971744 >>2971668 Oceans can be deep too. Are you calling water pretentious?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:04 No.2971751 >>2971744 >HURRR I MAKE PUN I ARE FUNNY!

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:08 No.2971754 Why is "pretentious" such an overused word, recently?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:09 No.2971756 >>2971751 >HURR DURR TROLLTROLLTROLL

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:11 No.2971759 >>2971754 It's probably related to people getting into shit at their schools for answering too many questions correctly, being able to read and write "too soon", and other retarded shit that "might make the other children feel bad about themselves."

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:18 No.2971774 >>2971759 More like English majors use it to describe anything they don't like. Which most of the time means they're being insufferably pretentious.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:28 No.2971778 >>2971754 Because it's easier to parrot a single word you've heard used before than to think about the subject and find your own word(s).

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:28 No.2971779

>>2971759

People who are stupid love to use the word "pretentious," or if they are truly ambitious they will use the term "pseudo-intellectual."

Basically these kind of comments, when aimed at genuine material, come from one of two general mentalities:

1) I don't understand this so I will insult it.

2) I understand this, but it makes me feel insecure/jealous/angry so I will attempt to discredit it by making it seem to be faux-intellectual drivel. This will make me feel better about myself

I hope you will please excuse the oversimplification. But this, at least, has been my experience.

>>	Stranger 11/10/08(Mon)06:32 No.2971784 I love this drawfag so hard.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:37 No.2971798 >>2971754 Overused would imply it's unwarranted Depth does not mix with trying to draw yourself attention. That's childish, the polar opposite of what you claim to be

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:38 No.2971803

pre·ten·tious (prĭ-těn'shəs)
adj.

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious.

Hmm... Seems like people use the word a lot because a lot of things, especially on the internet, ARE pretentious.

>>	Dagda !hTbo821v7U 11/10/08(Mon)06:40 No.2971813 >>2971741 <3 I think this is the new pinnacle of the Angry Marines chapter.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:41 No.2971823 >>2971778 Speaking of pretentious

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:45 No.2971828 >>2971779 So your counter to them saying "this is stupid" is "no, YOU'RE stupid!" Yeah, spoilers, you're no better than he is

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:47 No.2971839 >>2971474 >>2971668 >>2971751 >>2971357 >Hay guiz im so edgy and hardcore arnt i im putting saeg in my email feild cuz im kewl and mysterious like that my soul is a deep abysmal pit of wonder and mystery ^_____^

Oversimplification Indeed. Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:48 No.2971848

>>2971779
Of course, this fails to recognize the fact that there is an over-abundance of material, not just on the internet, but everywhere human beings have attempted to be creative that does honestly deserve the label. I'm certain everyone here has had the "luxury" of reading at least one piece of vampire related fiction that fits the bill rather handily.

The OP's particular piece isn't pretentious so much as ill fitting. Fuklaw has never been displayed as deep, quite the opposite really. The fans of this particular meme aren't expecting a window into his souls and emotions, they're expecting swearing, gore and visual humor. Applied to any other commissar with a bit of modification, I'd imagine there would be few, if any, complaints about this comic.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:48 No.2971849
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>>2971474

Captain: Hurr maek yur depth over 9000 feet lulz
Diving Officer: Holy dick that's below our crush DEPTH lol
Captain: NO U pretentious faggit do wut i say lol
Diving Officer: lol k

Implosion hole related.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:48 No.2971851 >>2971839 Or just used when you don't want to bump a shitty topic gaia fag, but you wouldn't know that.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:53 No.2971863 >>2971839 ... wat

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:55 No.2971876 >>2971863 It's a gaia troll or some other form of Underageb& that has been shitting up /tg/ for weeks now.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:58 No.2971888 >>2971876 age to piss off someone whose made about their lack of aristic ability and creativity.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)06:59 No.2971890 >>2971888 >age to piss off someone whose made about their lack of aristic ability and creativity. Great fanboys for the pretentious 4chan drawfag, way to stroke his ego.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:01 No.2971891

>>2971828

I'm sorry were you going to do something other then throw out some ad hominem?

You could learn a lot from >>2971848 and try presenting an actual argument instead of just talking out of your ass and insulting someone you disagree with. But then, as I am demonstrating, it is hard to respond to an insult with anything other than another insult when neither of us really knows the other or where he is coming from.

>>2971848

You make a good point. There IS a lot of genuinely pretentious crap out there. So while the word is overused, it is also called for in many cases.

Me personally, I like the OP's comic. I truly enjoyed reading it. I come from a family with an extensive military background, so seeing Fucklaw as something other than a humorous character, seeing him portrayed as an actual soldier is very personally appealing to me. I enjoy this drawfag's work. But it's easy to think of drawfags as just that, and nothing more. When really, as this thread proves, they are artists (of a sort). And when you are dealing with art, regardless of the artist's intentions, there will be a wide variety of personal reactions from people. We each experience an image, picture, movie, song, etc. differently because each of is different and each of us brings something different to the table.

Someone might enjoy this comic because it flushes out Fucklaw's character. Someone else might hate it because it's related to 40K, they don't like 40K, and they are tired of all things 40K. Each of us brings something different to the table. The important thing is being able to separate your personal preferences from your emotional reactions and to be able to appreciate something objectively as well.

But that's just my opinion at 5 in the morning.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:01 No.2971892 And so a thread that may have had potential goes down the drain because of ignorant fuckwits who think putting sage in the email field makes them cool.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:02 No.2971895 >>2971849 NO YOU WILL BE KILL BY PHYSICS

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:05 No.2971903 >>2971892 >sage in the email field makes them cool. I find it no way to make anything look cool. It keeps this shitty thread from being bumped though while I voice my displeasure.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:05 No.2971905
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bawnk.

This is why drawfags shouldn't post here. It always descend into shit like this.

Keep being this easy to troll, tg and you really will be the sluttiest board on 4chan. Even v's talking about what an easy troll you are.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:06 No.2971911 >>2971905 Those don't look very "mega"

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:12 No.2971922

>>2971891

>seeing Fucklaw as something other than a humorous character, seeing him portrayed as an actual soldier is very personally appealing to me.

Yeah, I thought Fuklaw was one of the shittiest characters of our little bastardised version of 40K canon, until I saw the OP's write/drawfaggotry

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:13 No.2971924 >>2971911 Macha Milk. The version of the story where the poor sister gains only the mental attributes of the titty-monster.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:14 No.2971925 >>2971922 He still is, slapping dry and old war themes on him doesn't change that "fuklaw" is a third rate meme.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:17 No.2971931 >>2971911 Eldar. go figure.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:20 No.2971943 >>2971931 I suppose, they are "100% muscle".

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:20 No.2971947

>>2971922

I think that too many people just enjoy kicking the "angry marines as cursing machines" can. It's nice to see someone, even if they do it facetiously, flush out the angry marines or other characters like Fuklaw.

I don't think it's ever good to take something too seriously though. But still it's nice to see Fuklaw from a different angle.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:24 No.2971952

>>2971925

Jesus, you are a persistant little butthurt faggot aren't you?

Are you really that bitter about the fact that people enjoy 40K? Or that people like something you don't like. For fuck's sake we get your point. You sound like an old man who complains about the pair of shoes he is wearing but who never takes them off or buys a new pair.

You don't have to like it. You can just hide the thread and go about your fucking business.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:33 No.2971975 I really need to pay more attention to things because I read that as >You don't have to like it. You can just hide the thread and go about fucking houses.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:36 No.2971987 >>2971975 I lol'd. Do you ever browse /d/?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:38 No.2971992 >>2971891 You called the hypothetical every day art critics stupid with no justification to said accusation and you accuse me of ad hominem after that?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:41 No.2971997 File :1226320881.jpg-(212 KB, 600x481, obvioustrollisobviousandwillst(...).jpg) >>2971925 soooo... what's a first rate meme?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:41 No.2971998 >>2971892 No anon, it is in fact you trying to look cool here. They put the sage into the email field in an effort to not bump the thread. A perfectly valid action

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)07:48 No.2972001

>>2971992

I made a general observation about people who tend to criticize things in general because they don't understand or don't like them.

It may apply to the poster in question who is saging this thread, it may not.

My "no justification" was an argument stating that people who do tend to insult things they don't like or understand tend to do so as a means of self-validation. That often, simply because a person dislikes something personally, they will attempt to discredit it by misportraying it.

And ad hominem is ad hominem. It doesn't matter if someone responds to it with another ad hominem, that doesn't change the fact that it is still, objectively speaking, an attack on the person and presents no legitimate argumentative critique.

Also, sage because I've posted to damn much in this thread already.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:04 No.2972031 >>2971997 Well a first rate meme could be anything that catches on, personally I think that fuklaw is pretty good bu– CLANG! What the fuck was that?!

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:16 No.2972049

>>2972001
>I made a general observation about people who tend to criticize things in general because they don't understand or don't like them.

No, you accused them of doing it. Calling someone stupid simply because they call to question the work's actual artistic merit is not an observation

How does one prove that chocolate Jesus with a small chocolate dick with a gold wrapped liquorice halo hanging from it is not true art? You can accuse critics of ANYTHING of "not understanding" or simply disliking the work in question. How is your accusation inherently more valid than theirs? Instead of contesting it you default to calling them names instead and trying to claim moral high ground doing it. Who are you to say they aren't asking valid questions? You yourself are questioning them based only on your dislike of them and their critique because you view it as pretentious yourself. No anon, you ARE the zombies

>And ad hominem is ad hominem. It doesn't matter if someone responds to it with another ad hominem, that doesn't change the fact that it is still, objectively speaking, an attack on the person and presents no legitimate argumentative critique.

Just wanted to make sure you realized what you're doing

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:19 No.2972053 >>2971130 You know, the premise of a yet, fragile and old, yet tremendously brave Commissar leading a company of never-aging superhuman soldiers strikes me as the most awesome thing ever. The heroism of this old man is extremely commendable. I salute him.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:26 No.2972061 >>2972049 His accusation is only implied. >People who are stupid >When aimed at genuine material You just have to figure out if the people accusing this work of being pretentious are stupid and if this material is genuine.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:29 No.2972070

>>2972049

Show me where in my post >>2971779 I was accusing anyone in this thread of anything. I was making a general statement about people. I furthermore stated that I was making a over simplification so that people with fully functioning brains would understand that my comments were not always applicable in all situations.

You are arguing for scenarios in which my critique does not apply as if they were the only scenarios that exist, acting as if my statements and observations are always invalid.

In short your arguments suffer from the same problems that case-studies do. You are saying that in Example A my argument is invalid and therefore it is always invalid. That, my friend is another logical fallacy. Piled onto you earlier ad hominem it's starting to sound as if you really are just trying to discredit me without adding anything substanative to this argument or this thread.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)08:30 No.2972072 >>2972061 Thank you for helping me maintain my tenuous grasp on my faith in humanity.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)09:30 No.2972148 >>2971130 WHAT THE SHIT FUKLAW SHOULD FIND THAT FAGGOT'S ARSE AND RAM IT BACK OVER HIS HEAD FOR DYING LIKE A PUSSY CUNTSWEAT NIGGERLIPS

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)09:48 No.2972192

>>2972061
And how do you determine whether art is genuine?

>>2972070
Show me where in my post I accused you of accusing the residents of this thread of anything. Don't try to put words in my mouth

Nice little speech at any rate. Had no basis on anything I said but sounded very intellectual. I'm sure it swayed an opinion or two

Asserting that an art critic can be objectively wrong is the only logical fallacy here. No such thing as a 'legit' piece of art exists. That's just popular opinion

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)10:29 No.2972294

>>2972192

Art is a subjective, stylized, and formal representation of the objective human condition. Art can be defined objectively and critiqued objectively. For example, abstract art requires the presence of an audience of some kind as part of its purpose is to be experienced. Abstract art rejects the traditional form inherent in art and often uses shape or color as form.

It is possible to improperly objectively interpret or critique art. For example, if a poem uses hyperbole to elicit emotional impact and I say that, because I disliked the emotional impact I felt personally, that the use of hyperbole was bad or wrong. That is an objective critique based on a personal emotional response. It is incorrect if, in fact, the artist was seeking to elicit strong emotional responses through hyperbole.

You can dislike something and use that dislike to critique a piece of art and that critique can be wrong. I believe this statement to be objectively true. You, perhaps, do not.

That's fine. Sometimes art is about agreeing to disagree. And perhaps I misinterpreted your post. But frankly I feel as though you are still merely mincing words. You have no intellectual skin in the game. You are still dancing around, prodding with insults, asserting the correctness of your own opinion while investing no effort in truly saying what you think is true and explaining it in a logical and valid way.

You are the worst kind or person to argue against because, honestly, I don't think you really care.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)11:20 No.2972505 >>2972294 tl;dr

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)11:32 No.2972542 >>2972505 :3

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)11:54 No.2972644

>>2972294
>Art can be defined objectively and critiqued objectively

>5. not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.

I'd really like to know why people think art of all things fits that criteria. Especially abstract art

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)12:03 No.2972658

>>2972294
>Sometimes art is about agreeing to disagree

Doesn't seem you know what 'objective' means then

Even you admit not everyone can agree about the validity of art. Yet you call people stupid just because they consider an artwork you enjoy and consider to be genuine to be pretentious trash. So what is the criteria for times when disagreeing is "acceptable" instead of the person being pretentious himself?

Eldrad, Insane Individual of Incomprehensible Incompetance (Just as planned.) !!srlFJqQzH9+ 11/10/08(Mon)12:07 No.2972671

>>2972294

Surprisingly fitting for this thread. Good show, anonymous, you surprise me again with your wit and cunning. Continue your work.

OP, it is a fine addition to Fuklaw. It gives one an understanding of the anger that fuels him in battle, and I find it appropriate.

Now, I think this thread needs to die. Why? Because it's just devolved to shit.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)12:09 No.2972674

>>2972644

I took a class study art from a philosophical perspective with a PhD in philosophy who graduated from Harvard. I can't condense all of what I learned into one post but sufficed to say, there's some good reasons why some people think art can be objectively critiqued.

One of those reasons is the fact that art has set forms. And even abstractions of those forms still have notable characteristics and methodologies behind them. Form here encompasses many, if not all, of the ways in which artists express themselves through artistic mediums. For example, poets have literary devices they use such as meter, metaphors, similes, allegories, allusions, diction, and so on. These are objective qualities of art that we experience subjectively. The personal experience of art does not, by necessity, discount our ability to categorize, explain, or qualify art.

Please excuse me if I am unclear or explain myself poorly. I have not been able to get much sleep lately.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)12:17 No.2972716 >>2972671 Thank you, and seconded.

>>	SAGE Sage McSagington (Inquisitor, Ordo Fureticus) 11/10/08(Mon)12:18 No.2972721 Gentlemen. The comic is good. It is well written and eloquent. Your faggotry is not.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)12:20 No.2972729
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>>2972644
It's called design faggot, even with abstracted or even non objective art there's a certain element of design to it. There are methods of drawing the eye around the work to bring out what was intended to show. The triangular form for instance, is an extremely common method to drawing the eye.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:00 No.2972934 Wait so...John Fuklaw was the father of the Starchild, the new and only hope for the Imperium and for the survival mankind as a race, and somehow got little E killed? Well...fuck.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:10 No.2972988 >>2972934 wait wat

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:17 No.2973033 >>2972934 What have you been smoking?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:35 No.2973129 I have all new respect for John Fuklaw and his eternal quest to FUCK HERETICS UP THE ASS WITH A CHAINSWORD WHILE YELLING OSCENITIES and yet he can't help but realize he's a dick on the inside. That's deep.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:40 No.2973160 >>2971130 I realize I'm late to the party but MANLY FUCKING TEARS

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:47 No.2973197

>>2973129
>dick

Angry marines & Co. are the antithesis of dickish behaviour in the 41 millenium.

They are the "IF BRUTE FORCE ISN'T WORKING IT MEANS YOU'RE NOT USING ENOUGH" to Tzeentch's, Eldrad's, Alpha Legion's, Cabal's, SPAEC Illuminati's, Cegorath's and Deceiver's "just as planned, maybe, or not."

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:55 No.2973235 bump for awesome

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)13:58 No.2973245

>>2971464
Just chiming in in defense of Exaltedfags - we DO requst shit. Every time a drawfag thread shows up, I request something EXALTD! related, and I've yet to see one of them - even just the basic "the Emperor as a Solar" to make it easy on the 40k fags - drawn.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:00 No.2973260 >>2973245 Yes but /40k/ haet /Exalted!/

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:02 No.2973272 >>2973245 I've commissioned a picture of my Mantis Shrimp Lunar. That should look pretty cool.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:04 No.2973288 >>2973272 sup Tim. >>2973260 Even when it was just a general thread, though.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:08 No.2973314 >>2972934 ..holy fucking shit. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! HAVE I NOT SHED ENOUGH MANLY TEARS THIS DAY? HAVE I NOT? ;_;

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:12 No.2973345 >>2973314 Spoiler: Fulkaw knows that his kid was little E and it kills him inside to know he has doomed mankind with some foolish act of him seeking glory.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:14 No.2973369 >>2973345 JESUS CHRIST. MANLY. MOTHEFUCKING. TEARS.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:15 No.2973373 >>2973345 But he had to do it, or the plot might've advanced. And we can't have that.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:15 No.2973379 >>2971130 >>2973314 THE TEARS! THEY BURN! ;_;

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:19 No.2973402

OP here.

This was sort of a fun train wreck to come home to. Didn't really expect this particular kind of sagestorm. I actually expected most people to flip out about Fuklaw having any hint of reason, and to start tearing apart the walls.

I'm hesitant to call any webcomic art, especially when its linework only took me about 30 minutes to finish, and when I'm just using multiplying layers with 3 tone-paint schemes for color. Not that it didn't take forever to completely assemble, but still.

But thanks for the praise and the sage. Clapping is a little less satisfying without some booing to reinforce it.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:19 No.2973406 >>2973373 Yes, but now he vents this anger and frustration outside, in the service of the Emperor, the one he killed with his own hands. He fights a battle he or any other human or human related agency cannot win and he knows it.

>>	Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 11/10/08(Mon)14:20 No.2973411 >>2973402 So whats the last panel mean? I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:22 No.2973423 >>2973411 Fuklaw standing at the broken corpse of the Starchild, the Emperor, his son. Right?

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:25 No.2973438

>>2973411
>>2973423
Well, I know, but if I said as much, it'd ruin it for some people. It's better to just poop vague reasoning down in front of someone and let them assemble it however they think is best.

I'd also be further accused of being pretentious if I explained it.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:26 No.2973445 >>2973423 THIS, is how /tg/ canon is created. I applaud you anon, and you, drawfag anon.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:27 No.2973449 What the FUCK? Something ANGRYIMPERIAL related with meaning other than HURR I'M ANGRY? Pretty awsum. I'd like to see more serious 40K stuff.

>>	Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 11/10/08(Mon)14:28 No.2973451 >>2973438 >let them assemble it however they think is best Did I ever mention how bad I am at critical thinking?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:28 No.2973456 >>2973449 40K IS GRIM&DARK

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:30 No.2973469 bump for more manly tears

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:37 No.2973493 >>2973423 >>2973345 >>2972934 I...I'm speechless...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:38 No.2973496 >>2973456 Occasionally.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:38 No.2973499 Fucklaw seems like a Clint Eastwood character in this.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:40 No.2973510 >>2973499 OH GOD.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:46 No.2973532 >>2973496 "In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, there is only war" ahem

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:47 No.2973542 >>2973499 And that is awesome.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:49 No.2973549 >>2973532 Saying its grim and dark on the cover doesn't change the spess elfs, spess orks, spess mummies, spess angels, and spess gods who live in spess hell.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:49 No.2973550 >>2972934 Jesus Christ, that explains his rage! Why he is out, fighitng in His name! He's... Trying to repent...

>>	Sonderling W.I.T.C.H. Fag !BQ3sED2yVs 11/10/08(Mon)14:54 No.2973572 >>2972934 That isn't Lil' E. His hair is quite black. The shot kid is more of a brunette.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:54 No.2973573 >>2972934 I suspect this anon to be Eldrad.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:55 No.2973576 >>2973550 His rage at the xenos pales in comparison to his rage at himself ;_; Epic drawfaggotry.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:56 No.2973583 >>2973245 OP again. Someone needs to start an introduction to Exalted thread. I see it on occasion but have no clue what it is. Someone asked for some sort of Solar drawing a few weeks ago, but I had no idea what he was talking about.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)14:59 No.2973591 >>2973583 The problem is, there's a shitton of fluff. Here's the short version: http://forum.rpg.net/showpost.php?p=6775262&postcount=13 I used to have it as an image, but my hard drive got wiped.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:03 No.2973608 This thread is like LCB 1 all over

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:10 No.2973637 >>2973591 That was weird. Now what do they all look like?

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:12 No.2973644

Why this jumping to Fuklaw-killed-the-Starchild conclusions?

He writes to his "dear" about their "mutual loss", asking "Could I have saved him?" and finishes with "Remember always, my dear, how I am stained by his blood." If he was referring to big E, his God, would he not have written Him and His? Is it not more likely that he is simply referring to some innocent slain on account of Fuklaw's actions in the past; possibly the son they had together - hence "our mutual loss"?

This is not about the dooming of mankind, it is a glimpse of humanity in a thoroughly de-humanized man who tries to absolve the guilt of his own son's death through piety.

tl;dr - Starchild = NO, Fuklaw's perfectly ordinary innocent son = YES

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:13 No.2973648 >>2973572 Adjust your monitor. Also, pure black doesn't show up well on multiplying layers. Also... peoples' hair gets darker as they age. Unless they are dead.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:14 No.2973659 >>2973637 Depends on the Exalt. They look like people, generally.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:16 No.2973666 >>2973644 OH U...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:16 No.2973669 >>2973659 So... a guy in jeans?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:17 No.2973676 File :1226348264.jpg-(39 KB, 450x338, Oh you!.jpg) >>2973666

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:19 No.2973679

>>2973637
Generally, like people from a fantasy world. Only BETTER. The are stronger, faster, prettier, and in most measurable ways better than mortals. Having mortal average in a stat means it's one of your lowest stats, in Exalted.

Also, Solars get more tanned as they age, Lunars become more pale, and dragon-blooded show more signs of their elements.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:19 No.2973681 >>2973669 And with a mullet. And a handlebar 'stache. But Exalted!

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:23 No.2973697

>>2973644
Several possibilities:

*He was the soldier. He accidentally killed someone's child, possibly his own.
*He was the father. The soldier was the only person that proved capable enough to stop whatever it was that killed the child.
*He was not talking about the child, but about the Emperor. The scenes are only there to reference other events in his life, which reveal the duality of what John F. is saying: he is "stained by the Emperor's blood," but his wording shows that he is really thinking about his son.
*There is an underlying message that John means to communicate to his ex-wife / lover, that only both of them can pick up on.
*Starchild, with elements from the other scenarios.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:24 No.2973707 >>2973679 So an Emperor-Solar would look exactly the same?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:26 No.2973715 >>2973707 Yes but Exalted!

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:26 No.2973718 >>2973697 I...I love you. ;_; Can love bloom on /tg/?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:29 No.2973739 >>2973718 /tg/ canon. Fuck year. You can either love it or sage it, but no one can stay neutral.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:29 No.2973743

>>2973697
Also:

He's living out his fantasy of rescuing his son through the Marines. However, he can't bring any of them back from the dead, obviously, so the only thing he ever "accomplishes" is reliving the death of his child, and feeling just as incapable as he ever did.

So, he sees the Angry Marines as his children, possibly even an extension of himself, due to all of the frustration and anger that can never be washed away.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:33 No.2973768 >>2973743 This, plus the starchild stuff. Awesome.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:36 No.2973782 And so he RAGES. ALWAYS ANGRY

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:37 No.2973785 this thread is long

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:39 No.2973800 >>2973785 And beautiful.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:39 No.2973802 >>2973785 And so is my schlong

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:40 No.2973806 File :1226349609.jpg-(18 KB, 200x288, Master of the obvious.jpg) >>2973785

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:41 No.2973823 >>2973785 AND POINTING

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:46 No.2973861 y so angry, fuklaw? OH THATS RITE U KILLD UR SON OLOLOLOLOLLOLOLO

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:48 No.2973872 I know I'm late, but I just wanted to express my appreciation for the awesomeness of that comic before it dies. That made me want to cry. ;_;

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:48 No.2973874

>>2971390
>Though, when Angry Marines die, wouldn't their last thoughts and wishes be that they could live just long enough to kick another heretical fuck's balls up into their chest cavity?

I can imagine a dismembered Angry Marine screaming in anger not at his foes, but at himself: "MOVE, DAMMIT! YOU FUCKING GODDAMNED HUNKJ OF WORTHLESS MAGGOT FOOD, MOOOOVE! JUST ONE MORE KILL, COME OOOON!"
And this makes me very sad.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)15:59 No.2973928 >>2973874 ;_; This thread is manly tears city.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)16:12 No.2973998 >>2973861 Or, more reasonably, he was unable to protect him. LOLOLoLoooLLOOLL

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)16:28 No.2974092 bmup

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)17:49 No.2974539

>>2971130
Words fail to describe how awesome this is, I've read some of the novels, wanting to see the human side more than the same old WOOOO SPESS MAHREEN KILL fluff, hence my general tilt towards the IG, and this comic fits it nicely. It's awesome seeing Fuklaw as an actual person, rather than just another /tg/ batshit nuts character. Good work, Drawfag.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)18:08 No.2974663 OP, you have managed to turn a one dimensional character into manly tears. Thank you.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)19:01 No.2974943

I read this as Fucklaw writing to his wife, or ex-wife after he failed to prevent the death of his son.

In any case, thanks OP. Please continue the good work. And never lose that attitude you have, of praise being made more meaningful when it is combined with displeasure. That is a very mature attitude coming from a 4chan drawfag. It's a hell of a lot better then the usual "LOVE ME ALL OF YOU LOVE ME" shit I see.

Best of luck to you and please keep drawing.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)19:34 No.2975139 >>2974943 It's a letter to his wife / ex-wife, yes.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)19:57 No.2975285 Has this thread been archived yet?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)20:23 No.2975419 >>2975285 Nope. Should be.

>>	Lazy Marine 11/10/08(Mon)20:35 No.2975464 >>2975419 Go do it then.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)20:47 No.2975516 >>2975464 done. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)21:01 No.2975573 >>2974943 So, that means Fuklaw is Jack O'neill 40k?

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)21:04 No.2975588 File :1226369054.jpg-(18 KB, 418x307, shittymspaint.jpg) >>2973998 Tell Fuklaw ... that he can't protect his children.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)21:55 No.2975879 Symbolism-loving-fag here. Fuck the argument, >>2971130 Did nobody else notice that the dead kid in the flashback wore the same colors as the Ultramarines? The (lol)pretentious english-major (i.e. symbolism whore) in me squirmed with glee.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)21:58 No.2975889 >>2975879 Samefag here, FUCK, why did I say Ultra? I meant ANGRY Marines. GW's marketing campaign is infecting my brain...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:01 No.2975914 >>2975889 OP here once again. (And still working on my Art History project.) Congratulations, I didn't think anyone would notice that.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:02 No.2975918 btw, that's totally Fuklaw cradling his dead son's body in the last panel.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:04 No.2975938 >>2975889 OP here once again. (And still working on my Art History project.) Congratulations, I didn't think anyone would notice that.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:05 No.2975942 >>2975938 Freaking timeout double posts.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:15 No.2975995 >>2975914 happiness I'm glad that I caught what you were going for, then. Bravo, OP.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:18 No.2976011 I fell in love with Fuklaw for his anger, awesome hat, and hatred of the EXTRA HERETICAL. I stayed in love with him for the truly epic manly tears.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:39 No.2976089

Brother Iratus was angry.

This in itself was normal-Iratus was an accomplished assault trooper of the Angry Marines, and rage was as natural to him as drawing breath. That too would end soon, he realizes slowly. One does not recover from wounds as deep as his, not even an astartes. All his years of service, of war waged in the Emperor's name, would come to a close this day, on this blood-soaked field. No more will he fight mankind's enemies, no more will he feel the exhilaration of jet-assisted impact. He can finally rest.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:43 No.2976112

>>2976089

When this notion finally settles in his hardened cranium, a tumult of emotions wash over him. Disappointment, regret, satisfaction, pride, indigence, and finally rage, more powerful than any he has experienced before. Who were these filthy xenos, who dared cripple him! He is an instrument of the Emperor's will, not a notch on the barrel of some foul ork's gun! He struggles to rise, warp-bent on gutting his assailant, whoever it may be. He finds himself unable to stand, and stares at his broken and mangled legs as though they were Horus' own.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:46 No.2976128

>>2976112

"COME ON!" he shouts, frightening off a nearby grot. "AFTER ALL I'VE BEEN THROUGH, I CAN'T EVEN KILL A FUCKING ORK!?!? WELL FUCK YOU!" he shouts at his legs, as he starts to drag himself along the broken ground. He feels the jagged detritus of war scrape at his wounds, knows that his time is running out with his quickly-clotting blood. "COME ON YOU FUCKBADGERS!" he yells defiantly to the world, seeking one last opponent, one last foe to vanquish.

Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:47 No.2976135

>>2976128

The battlefield around him is empty. He sees his battle-brothers ahead, slaughtering the orks. As his strength dims, a new emotion forces its way into his head: fear. He is failing the Emperor. At this thought he elevates to even higher levels of fury, and his vessels would surely burst if not for lack of blood. He lifts his arm, and it falls back uselessly to the ground. He opens his mouth to voice one final protest, but has no breath.

A painful minute passes before the astartes finally dies. Iratus died as he had lived, angry to the last.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:50 No.2976150 >>2976089 >>2976112 >>2976128 >>2976135 I choked back tears.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)22:58 No.2976184 I'm dubbing this drawfag's folder... Aw fuck I don't know...

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)23:01 No.2976196 >>2976184 My gallery user name is Gannadene, if you simply must have a name besides Anon.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)23:09 No.2976245 >>2976196 Gannadene? I guess that will work.

>>	Anonymous 11/10/08(Mon)23:23 No.2976325 bump for great justice

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)02:25 No.2977221 File :1226388302.jpg-(40 KB, 400x300, 1219618574787.jpg) >>2976135 you..you son of a bitch, i just watched the end of gurren laggan again... manly tear waterfall and now this goddamn you

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)03:52 No.2977488 File :1226393556.jpg-(208 KB, 1280x1024, badger.jpg) Is "badger" an officially-sanctioned /tg/ curseword? If so, what is its proper usage?

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)03:54 No.2977491 >>2977488 Oh just badger off you badgering badger.

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)03:54 No.2977500 >>2977488 YOU... DOUBLE BADGER

>>	Commissar Raepfist 11/11/08(Tue)04:30 No.2977615 File :1226395835.jpg-(300 KB, 1200x1148, CommissarfuklawFTW.jpg) I made you a fanart OP

Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)05:08 No.2977682
File :1226398100.png-(53 KB, 220x185, What.png)

>>2972674
>we made up rules for art. If it doesn't follow them, it's objectively bad!

I'm really curious why art that takes a shit on your rules isn't as valid as works that rhyme or fulfills other made up criteria. Well okay, poems as a whole are a concept with rules but painting and the like isn't bound by such technicalities. How do you justify the rules which define a good painting or sculpture on an objective level?

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)05:10 No.2977687 >>2977488 "BADGER CUNT DICKS"

>>	Anonymous 11/11/08(Tue)10:20 No.2978283 cuntbadger

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