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    495 KB Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:34 No.3070610  
    Whose side are YOU on?

    Anyways, this map I found (alt reality does a bunch of them on his heresy.art account) kind of makes me want to play a game in it. A balance between all out post-apocalyptic american wastelands and "D.C. got wiped out in a terrorist attack during an emergency address to congress, suddenly everyone in the country is reduced to regional stereotypes". The surprise destruction of major metropolises by car-born nukes from a Russian facility compromised by American domestic terrorists in the first decade of the 21st century (and once again during a presidential address to Congress, this time regarding the amplification of the war on terror) causes a nation-wide chaos and confusion of the line of succession - during which a charismatic young senator with the backing of the nation's largest defense contractor (and several high up but non-succeeding federal officials in bed with said corporation) is able to consolidate the military forces in the Western US and launch "retaliatory" attacks on Iran and North Korea. This leads to UN peacekeepers (rather than simply aid missions from the international community as had been occurring) and a cold civil war as the legitimate successor to the presidency resurfaces in the East but is unable to shake most of those who have already picked sides out of their loyalties, at least until an actual full shooting war occurs.

    Still, even though it looks like a reasonable enough extrapolation of the general idea from the tv show Jericho, it didn't come with much explanation so your guess as to how the free states got to be (besides being on the Mississippi and without any of the bombed cities in their borders) is as good as mine.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:36 No.3070617
    Where have I seen this before....
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:38 No.3070630
    My one problem with this map: The size of california. Utah should be the heart of a territory called Deseret (Utah's orginal name) run by fanatical mormons who also have chunks of all the surrounding former states in their pyscho-fundie mitts as well.

    Mormons only seem benign because they never had a chance to run a crusade, read up on Utah's history. They're a lot like muslims when they're the ones holding all the guns.
    >> Christmas Ape 11/27/08(Thu)00:40 No.3070640
    Except for the year and the little free states in the south it makes me think of Jericho.
    >> Juba, The Baghdad Sniper !1EVr3uyPJI 11/27/08(Thu)00:42 No.3070654
    My one problem with this: M.A.D.
    In a time where the U.S. got nuked there would not BE a UN.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:44 No.3070662
    Lol'd @ Nebraska Nuke
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:44 No.3070664
    oh wow another alt history thread with a map of a chopped up US.

    Y'know, what happens when CHINA gets its shit handed to it.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:45 No.3070667
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:45 No.3070670

    I guess that this map is based on the revelation that the Allied States of America lied about the origin of the attacks (though they themselves didn't cause them) having a dramatic but hardly conclusive effect. There was probably a war and then a stabilization of the lines.

    The West Coast, originally united under the ASA, could conceivably have broken off under the aegis of the powerful economy of California. However without LA or San Francisco, that high ranking world economy Cali had probably doesn't exist, so it makes the unification of a ASA break-away under that name less likely. Still, the general idea of it is sound enough; that is a region that was implied to be brought under control through deception and recently enough to the revelation of the ASA's betrayal that it would be able to break away.

    Definitely don't know why the Deep South(east) and New England would balkanize from the US though. You'd think those patriots would want to kick some ASA butt.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:45 No.3070671
    California was here, the Independent Republic of Texas is a loser.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:47 No.3070680
    How's Canada?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:48 No.3070684
    The state of Clark?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:48 No.3070685

    Yeah, that's not really a possibility here due to it being an internal attack not done by any world superpower. Without any obvious aggressor or a clear executive, the silos and bombers stay frosty. It takes Tomarchio getting the codes from his corrupt ex-fed buddies to launch off some from the silos at their scapegoats (Iran and North Korea).

    I would like to believe that if a massively coordinated terrorist attack on the US like this occurred that if we did pop off wildly we would contain it to the "terror states" of the month, and wouldn't just start an apocalyptic exchange with China and Russia for the hell of it.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:50 No.3070695

    It's an alt-history map artist's take on what the world of Jericho would be later (and presumably with retconned changes he thought appropriate, like the FSA and ISA).
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:51 No.3070706
    Texas here, California is a faggot
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:51 No.3070709
    Fuck. I live in Chicago.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:54 No.3070720
    Republic of Dave
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:55 No.3070728
    Why was New York city not the first thing after D.C. to be nuked?

    Also I'm at the border of FSA and USA
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:55 No.3070729
    I just can't come up with a reason for the balkanized South, why the Republic of Texas stops on three sides at relatively arbitrary borders, or why Kansas is included in that republic when regional ties are nearly nonexistant while Arkansas and Louisiana have strong connections.

    Not to mention that with the nukes how they are a great deal more of the South's infrastructure is intact compared to the coastal states.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:55 No.3070732

    What? Gonna play that 'lone state' bullshit? Yeah, we were a country too. A better one.

    Fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:55 No.3070733
    well NATO might still be around
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:56 No.3070740
    cool cool I'm on the front line fighting U.N. occupation in TEXAS
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)00:59 No.3070771

    Kingdom of Tom
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:00 No.3070773
    An alternative-reality post-apoc America where New York has NOT been blown to smithereens?

    This guy doesn't seem to understand how this genre works. New York is like the Tokyo of the West.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:00 No.3070776
    The states of Clark and Anderson?
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:03 No.3070801
    I'm extremely happy my city is surrounded by mountains & the only 2 decent ways in are easily controlled.

    And the nukes wouldn't fuck with us a bit helps too.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:04 No.3070809
    Where's the Republic of Dave?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:04 No.3070811
    Commander Putin, we have one last nuke to launch.

    Shall we send it to New York City or Lawrence, Nebraska?
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:05 No.3070817
    Oh yeah - NYC would be GOOOOOOOONE right after DC.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:06 No.3070822
    I'm siding with Texas.

    Fuck the U.N.
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:06 No.3070824
    I bet the name Lawrence makes him rage.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:10 No.3070844
    Any scenario which involves DC or Moscow getting nuked, even by terrorists, results in complete annihilation. Last strike, bitches.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:11 No.3070850
    better and queerer.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:11 No.3070851
    Maybe the officer in charge of the launch really loves New York and has one of those T-shirts that say so, but in Russian.

    Rather than nuke the best city on Earth he broke the ignition key off in the lock and then went AWOL. On vacation. In a box in Central Park.
    >> XBAX !!rgEcJKbT6SB 11/27/08(Thu)01:12 No.3070858
    the capitals dont make sense
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:14 No.3070873
    I forget all the shit about Jericho but were the launches detected?

    If so why didn't the politicians get the fuck outta Dodge like we all know they would?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:14 No.3070875
    Just looking at that map makes me angry; I live in between L.A. and San Diego.

    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:15 No.3070889
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    I really doubt those capital would be that close to the blast zones.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:16 No.3070892
    I feel like if the military detected nuclear launches they would quickly and quietly get their command structure and the few civilian politicians deemed necessary and useful underground, stay silent, and let the rest burn.
    >> Eponymous Rex !!taqDd9490Ip 11/27/08(Thu)01:17 No.3070893
    Hey, fuck you and your California taking over Nevada. Fuck that.
    >> Salamanders Fanboi !!Q4/i89xuPmX 11/27/08(Thu)01:17 No.3070897
    I'm happy that someone finally remembered to nuke the 757.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:20 No.3070910
    They wouldn't bother to nuke Chicago.

    And Columbus as the capital of anything but the sorry state of Ohio? El Oh El.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:20 No.3070915
    Fucking California.
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:22 No.3070920
    I'd of thought that more of the country would be under the President's control (he's ALWAYS the one that has to be evacuated - launch codes & all that I guess) considering there would be plenty of military bases scattered around the US that would be untouched/minimally effected.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:23 No.3070930
    Can we just agree some standard things about a possible US nuclear holocaust? Every major city and industrial hub will be in cinders. Texas, California, the Great Lakes states, and the Northeast will probably stay coherent. God knows what'll happen to the South, the Midwest, and the Rocky Mountains region. There probably won't be any political entities intact enough to give themselves fancy names. Certainly no one group is going to forget their national identity long enough to revolt if anything remotely resembling a centralized government remains.

    Can we all just agree to this?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:25 No.3070939
    Yeah uh, at this point in time, pretty much every in America believes in America, even if we all disagree substantially about what it means.

    American identify isn't going to fracture anytime soon.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:25 No.3070940
    Why would they bomb Hartford? I live here, we've got fucking nothing of value.
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)01:29 No.3070958
    If it's a targetted strike by a pissed off Super Power yeah.

    Although you'd see a lot of communities grouping together to survive once they began realizing it's work together or die for the most part.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:30 No.3070965
    I live in Minnesota, quite close to the ASA - UNOZ#5 border, but I think I would migrate south towards Texas. The Lawrence area could possibly prove dangerous but I'd probably be heading more south south west towards the panhandle.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:37 No.3070986
    Uh, why'd Lawrence get nuked? Somebody lose money on a Jayhawks game? Kansas City would be a much, much more likely target, even moreso now that the IRS and Federal Reserve have just opened up new major offices in the downtown area recently. Plus, major rail hub and major river barge traffic.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:49 No.3071040
    I love how nothing bad ever happens in Canada. You guys in the US just draw all the flak.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:51 No.3071056
    you guys have to deal with Newfies, so it all evens out in the end.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:53 No.3071064
    move to mexico, juarez seems safe
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:54 No.3071074
    I'm giggling at how San Antonio is still standing despite having no less than 5 military bases including most of the Air Force's basic and flight training.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:56 No.3071079
    Aww, the Newfies ain't that bad. Just keep them in screech and allow their fisheries to fail and they'll be far too busy to do anything else.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:57 No.3071085
    Okay, so the terrorists didn't do their research. Or have a near-religious reverence for the Alamo.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:56 No.3071086
    successfully shot down the nuke!! It landed in Dallas
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)01:57 No.3071089
    Either Canada causes the launch, or becomes the next superpower.

    Possibly both.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:05 No.3071131
    Free State of Missouri
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:07 No.3071143
    glad to see they hit miami instead of orlando.

    miami is such a shit town.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:09 No.3071157
    United States of America, right in the capital.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:09 No.3071165
    I'm offended that Wisconsin got spelled wrong.

    Glad we're still part of the United States though rather than some faggotry like "Allied" states.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:10 No.3071168
    but for how long
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:20 No.3071227
    Actually there was a miniseries that ended with Canada become a protectorate of the USA, so bad shit DOES happen to Canada.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:31 No.3071276
    Psh, compare one miniseries with every major disaster flick in the past two decades.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:32 No.3071278
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    Don't forget Fallout, where the US invades Canada and executes its soldiers on live TV!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:36 No.3071293
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:38 No.3071303
    I love idiots who make maps like these. NYC not nuked? Rest of the world not fucked over by nuclear annihilation?

    If you're gonna make a map, make it fucking believable at the least.....such as all major military bases (air and naval), all missile sites, all major cities/metro areas (LA, SF, Dallas, Houston, Denver, Chicago, NYC, DC, Boston, Atlanta, Miami, New Orleans, Seattle, Philadelphia, and St. Louis would be a bare minimum list) nuked and all at sea SSBNs (ballistic missile subs) sunk....all at the same time...the exact same time...and THEN....maybe, just maybe, the world will escape US retaliatory strikes.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:39 No.3071311
    I'd be right there with the irradiated and the dead in UN Occupation Zone #6
    >> Regault 11/27/08(Thu)02:42 No.3071330
    From what I've read, the US doesn't so much invade Canada as move in slowly to fight a war with China over Alaska. The canadian government rolls over and pisses on their belly, and the dude getting executed was citizen militia taking umbrage at their country being occupied.

    Also, in the Fallout universe the US has 13 provinces/superstates as a mid-step between state and federal government. Mostly because the head artist on the first game thought a 14 starred flag would look cool.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:43 No.3071334

    Standing US Strategic Arms policy is.....if DC goes dark, the birds fly.

    In other words, you nuke DC and you don't completely wipe out US retaliatory abilities, you've just fucked over the world.

    Within minutes of DC being confirmed to have been nuked, you'll have all at-sea SSBNs unloading their entire payload at pre-designated targets. Within 30 minutes you'll have all available ICBMs launching and all available B-52s, B1-Bs, and B2s airborne with nuclear payloads. Within an hour all major cities and all military targets in Russia, China, N. Korea, and possibly a few other countries have been wiped out. Within a few days radioactive clouds have spread across Asia and Europe. Within a month you're into nuclear winter.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:48 No.3071345
    See, isn't that so damn cool? Why don't any of my friends think nuclear apocalypse is cool?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:51 No.3071356
    I'm with the UN. Preferably, french Casques Bleus.

    Fuck you america. We helped you during your Independance war and now you treat us like shit ? Well, payback time.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:51 No.3071359

    This is the main reason the Soviets never tried to take us out by smuggling in suitcase bombs and why people with any modicum of intelligence never try to nuke us....because it's a fucking deathwish. You nuke the US and you've just condemned 90% of the world's population to death within a few months....most of them a slow, painful death.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)02:53 No.3071370

    We pull your asses out of the fire in one world war, stop you from expending the rest of an entire generation in another as well as feeding your entire country during the first world war, and then we fucking REBUILD your country after WWII.....and you treat us like shit.

    And you wonder why Americans hate the French, y'all are a bunch of whiney shitheels.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:01 No.3071394
    YAY! And in this post-apocalyptic world, we can still go to Disney World because they didnt nuke Orlando FL!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:03 No.3071401
    There is no Disney Land/World. Only the Eisner Empire.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:03 No.3071407
    and we saved you gys in WWs so lets call it even>_>
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:05 No.3071412
    I got hard.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:12 No.3071425
    California is too awesome to stay with the rest of the United faggots of America. We're gonna break off before you get your asses nuked by Putin and go hang out with Hawaii, Alaska can come too.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:13 No.3071429

    And you are anyway a bunch of murderous, butthurt, extremist protestant britfags that still believe God is behind their every move. "Godfearing" people, man, that is retarded, fearing God, you are almost worse than those fuckin' muslims ! No wonder the world hates you, and... and...

    oh hell who am I fooling. I like America.
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)03:20 No.3071460
    >and we saved you gys in WWs so lets call it even>_>

    What World War was this?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:28 No.3071467

    So wait, DC goes down and the US would decide ending the world would be best?

    Why am I not surprised?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:29 No.3071468
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:35 No.3071481

    You too?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:35 No.3071484

    WW1: No one saved anyone, especially not America considering we didn't do shit in that war. Not that it really matters, it was a stupid war anyway. We would have been better off staying out of that mess.

    WW2: Far more a group effort than American my-country-tis-of-thee patriotism (nationalism really, for some stupid reason we Americans think that our version is somehow good while everyone else's is bad despite the fact that they're really THE SAME THING) would have one believe. If any one country (an immense if, but bear with me) could be credited with saving the day it was Russia.

    WW3: Chances are America is going to start it, not "save" anyone. The Us will see the world slipping from it's grasp and decide "we rule it or we burn it," and then let the nukes fly.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:39 No.3071487
    Why didn't Mexico invade and raep... export democracy and protect the USA? Seems it was not bombed.

    >> My one problem with this map: The size of california. Utah should be the heart of a territory called Deseret (Utah's orginal name) run by fanatical mormons who also have chunks of all the surrounding former states in their pyscho-fundie mitts as well.

    Fuck yeah mutant pyscho mormons!
    (well, it's not so different from now, but still...)

    Anyhow. We must agree on the nature of the megaton exchange.
    Could be as in that novel, don't remember the name, where even if it is a limited usa-russia exchange, and for example California is untouched, the USA exists only as a name, a large fraction of the population is wiped out by fallouts, famine, diseases. The untouched NATO members and Japan (book from '80) "colonize" the territory in different spheres of influence, a little like USA did after ww2 in europe. They help reconstruction, but the untold rule is "divide et impera".
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:41 No.3071493
    Why is Canada perfectly fine?
    If shit gets real here, they'll have at least 40 million Americans barging into their country bringing chaos in their wake.
    >> Lazyfag 11/27/08(Thu)03:43 No.3071496

    I'm an Amerifag and I don't understand it either.

    >WW2: [...]If any one country (an immense if, but bear with me) could be credited with saving the day it was Russia.

    Fuck. Yes. Shoved the Nazis the fuck back to Berlin and they knew how to fucking plan long-term to do it.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:48 No.3071508

    If there's a thing Cthulhutech taught us, is that in ww3 not even the Outer Gods will be a match for the Red Coats
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)03:49 No.3071513
    It makes a lot more sense if the UN occupation zones are actually "temporarily administering areas of the United States outside the control of the current recognised international authority" or something.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)04:08 No.3071564
    Nuclear bump
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)04:40 No.3071656
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)04:42 No.3071669

    That's gonna be my next game. But needs supernatural powers for each team
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)04:42 No.3071671

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    The World Has Collapsed.

    Only Britain soldiers on.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)04:58 No.3071708

    Yeah, but they do home-runs? If not yankeestan is gonna win
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:00 No.3071711

    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:04 No.3071713
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:06 No.3071721

    The list of world cities supposedly destroyed in that movie:

    Paris, Moscow, Washington, Kuala Lumpur, Tokyo, Brussels, Hong Kong, Berlin, Jakarta, New York, Stockholm, Rome, Shanghai, Caracas, Copenhagen, Mexico City, Amsterdam, Atlanta, Geneva, Marseilles, Lisbon, Seoul, Singapore, San Diego, Naples, Boston, and Antwerp.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:10 No.3071724
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    B-b-b-back in the USSA!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:15 No.3071737
    well fuck i live in diamond back country and i don't even like base ball. need football version to be happy
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    Best I can find right now.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:17 No.3071742

    Moar MAD pics
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:21 No.3071751

    again, what about Alaska and Hawaii
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:22 No.3071753

    Russian, British.

    Or Russian, Independent.

    Or Independent, Independent.

    Or even British (Canada), British.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:22 No.3071754
    thanks by the way
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:23 No.3071759
    No one ever fucking talks about Atlanta.

    The city sucks.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:25 No.3071766

    Hawaii then is it's own kingdom again?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:26 No.3071767

    Could throw in the frogs and Japanese for possible rulers of Hawaii too, if we imagine the American red revolution took place at the same time as the irl Russian one.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:27 No.3071775

    Possibly, but it'd probably at best be a client state of someone, even if it has outwards independence trappings.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:35 No.3071794

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    Let us get some aliens in this thread.

    Tosev, for the Empire!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:37 No.3071799
    it sucks to know that if enough left minded Mexicans cross the border "New Mexico'' could of happen
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:38 No.3071801
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    Can they?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:38 No.3071802
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    lets get paranoid folks!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:39 No.3071809
    World War One - America saved Britain on several situations 1. they were almost the sole provider of food to Britain during the three 'unconditional u-boat warfare' declarations by the Kaiser. 2. By entering the war, they brought fresh solders to the war, and changed the tide in the Ententes favor, as Germany had just receved more than one million men from the Russian front. 3. Germany, while having the military might to fight the war, they did not have the logistics, by the end of the war they were living off of potatoes as they didn't instigate anything like Britain's defense of the realm act.

    World War Two - Russia saved both your arses.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:41 No.3071814
    wait what happened here?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:44 No.3071826

    Aliens! Plus some slightly non-canon developments.
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:47 No.3071837
    I live right on the border. Walk around some of the colleges here. The red and black flags at the history classroom says every thing
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:48 No.3071843
    Wait, wait, hold up! That state in between the two tigers, they have the Ultramarines for a football team?

    Fuck me....
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:51 No.3071854
    them's colts good buddy
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:51 No.3071856
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    Is that the collapse of organised society? I'll get my car....
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:54 No.3071861
    good aliens?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:54 No.3071864
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    Ancient Banner Bearer
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:55 No.3071869

    Oh my no! Imperialists who want to reduce us to serfhood.
    It is by Harry Turtledove "Worldwar" series. Most good.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:56 No.3071872

    Disregard this. I fellate with gusto.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:57 No.3071876
    Is that lady made grease or wax or something? She's as shiny as hell.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:58 No.3071881

    KY tanker detonated right next to her. Crying shame.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:59 No.3071889
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    research to be done...
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)05:59 No.3071891
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    However, the image remains funny. Someone needs to add a Mexican flag bat-signal.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:07 No.3071903
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    I got this club made from old-people stuff. Very sharp.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:11 No.3071918
    Why the hell is Mackinaw City the regional capital for UN Zone #3? Sault Ste. Marie or Marquette would be a better choice...
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:12 No.3071920
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:14 No.3071929

    Lots of roads converge there? Smaller population to deal with on a day-to-day basis when operating as an administrative/military hub? I'm just throwing out ideas here.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:17 No.3071946
    I'm sorry, #4.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:18 No.3071953
    Free state of Missouri, fuck yeah. But did Arkansas somehow steal St. Louis, Carmen Sandiego style?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:20 No.3071960
    Not really. The only way to retreat north into Michigan's Upper Peninsula from Mackinaw City is either the Mackinac Bridge or by boat. Sault Ste. Marie is right on the Canadian border and the Saint Marie River is fairly narrow and shallow there. I live in this area, so I can tell you that the best bet would probably be Sault Ste. Marie, St. Ignace, or Marquette.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:33 No.3072004

    Well you would know.

    Judging by the way UN forces are positioned, particularly in Florida and in the south-west, some states might have invited the UN in rather than go it alone or join the new countries.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:36 No.3072014
    Point. I don't think that's the case with this particular locale, though. A lot of the people around here, sparsely populated as it is, are very patriotic. And I swear this is where old soldiers come to fade away. Tons of ex-military folks and a lot of National Guard armories.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:44 No.3072029

    VERY non-canon
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)06:45 No.3072038

    It would be necessary to protect non-anarchic Canada from the flood of refugees I imagine. Though in zone#4 it'd be less of an occupation since the UN would probably keep to the status quo and recognise the 'USA' as the successor state and any conflict it has with the others as civil war. So zone#4 would probably return to 'US' control relatively fast, while the other northern zones would probably remain.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:01 No.3072053

    see Earth: 2089 by Mongoose Publishing. Has China split in three, a semi-democracy ruled from Taiwan, a Manchurian Kingdom and a warlord-ruled inner area. And I think a Caliphate in Xinjiang.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:11 No.3072072
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    Caliphate, you say?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:21 No.3072088

    Which movie is that?!
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:36 No.3072113

    The EXCELLENT Children of Men.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:52 No.3072149
    We need more threads like this.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)07:53 No.3072151

    Which Features My Hometown Of Bexhill
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)08:11 No.3072187

    Gets a good showing.
    >> Lazy DM V !vONhvIg88o 11/27/08(Thu)08:14 No.3072195
    Shit, I'm taking the day off. Baby Diego died.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)08:18 No.3072212

    I'm more effected than I thought I was. Maybe it is Quietus time.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:41 No.3072378

    It was a domestic terror attack. No apocalyptic war, instead various major population centers, including ones you wouldn't usually expect (spread out for maximum chaos it seems) were blown up from the ground. There was absolutely no indication that any major country did it but as things were eventually the ASA were able to convince missile command to take out Iran and North Korea. These as immediate targets of opportunity might be more realistic and you can use the setting that way if you please.

    We wouldn't commit global suicide just because these cities went up in smoke. The government could in theory survive much worst as well, but the unknown nature of the attack and the fact that it followed a pre-existing plan that Jennings and Rall (defense contractor) created for the government allowed them to take advantage of the ensuing chaos and fracture things. Otherwise US troops would of probably marched West from Columbia and reintegrated the whole nation gradually.

    It's not completely unrealistic but it's not implausible either. It's more of a US civil war with the country broken on the wheel by these attacks than about the end of the world. Hell, the setting insinuates that China and Russia immediately go along full hog with the rest of the UN security council to start giving America aid after the attacks. No need to arbitrarily shoehorn in "war, war never changes" into this setting.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:43 No.3072383

    And you know what? I've worked hard on a lot of different kinds of post-apocalyptic settings and I'll tell you what: even in the worst case MAD scenario during the Cold War, even assuming you forget the huge gap there was at the most tense times between the USSR's capabilities and ours, it's absolutely idiotic to think every city of any size and military base will get whacked. Hell I like Jericho because they go for what are probably regional centers rather than "what are the most famous cities". But that's not really a nuclear war. So on topic again, primary targets are the silo control centers (no Dakotas turned into molten glass, there's like two or three control centers for all those silos spread out over the states housing the silos), submarine ports, and SAC bases. Depending on the era your talking about D.C. may even be left so there's someone to surrender (though making it a priority target for morale breaking and communications disruption reasons has it's merits and by the time a missile got there the president would be evacuated anyway). After that you have the largest cities in America to disrupt communications (why New York and LA are pwned). During early MAD days the next targets may have actually been additional population centers as people seem to think, but most of the time it wouldn't be. No deliberate wiping out of population centers themselves (lots of quite large cities and densely populated areas are spared, the biggest cities only taken out to disrupt communication int he first place). Knocking out non-nuclear-related military bases, taking out factories, and wiping out the populace has absolutely nothing to do with nuclear war. That's pre-nuclear thought. The whole point in a nuke fight is to wipe out their nuclear capabilities, that's it. You aren't trying to destroy their means of production or make their population a more manageable size.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:43 No.3072386

    So this "every city would be cinders" crap is damn retarded, even in an all-out nuclear war. The silo control centers, the submarine ports, the SAC bases, the stratcom command centers - a little bit of this stuff is near cities, most of it's outside of bumfuck nowhere. Then the biggest cities in America, and I'm talking just the largest of the large not even a thorough culling, and then MAYBE a little bit of key infrastructure like petroleum processing facilities.

    Hell in Twilight fucking 2000, which was pretty well researched, their nuclear war deviates from this plan but mainly that they sometimes take materiel targets out over the hugest cities (they don't nuke NYC but instead target New Jersey's oil infrastructure).

    Anyways the main part above should give you a better idea of how a full-out nuclear war would function. To take my own state for example they wouldn't even bother with Raleigh or Fort Bragg most likely, though the old old estimates are all paranoid about the whole state getting glassed. Seymour Johnson air force base because it's got nuclear bombers. Then in the final phase of bombing maybe they'd nuke Greensboro because it's a fuel depot. Not even Charlotte's financial center.

    In both a full "we've gotten used to how nuke should be used"-thought nuclear war and T2K's limited nuclear war there are states that don't even get nuked a single time, or suffer a single nuke.

    Not that any of this is relevant to the map above or the setting it intimates. Read Jericho's wikipedia article if you really want to understand the material this map guy was spinning off from with some of his own ideas.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:47 No.3072393
    I don't think you understand.

    If DC is nuked, the nuclear subs can't recieve their orders not to launch. This will mean Moscow is nuked, which will mean that now the russian subs will launch.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:48 No.3072402

    I agree with you.

    In a similar vein, it would take perhaps three nuclear weapons to reduce the United Kingdom to total anarchy for at minimum a few months. You don't have to plaster everything.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:50 No.3072407
    Is it suddenly 1985?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:55 No.3072410
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    Good to know US missiles are still aimed at the USSR, oh wait, what?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:56 No.3072417
    >If DC is nuked, the nuclear subs can't recieve their orders not to launch. This will mean Moscow is nuked, which will mean that now the russian subs will launch.

    Nope, no mention of the USSR.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)09:59 No.3072424

    You're missing the point, like how you missed the end of the Cold War.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:06 No.3072435
    Man, I'd love to live in the magical gumdrop land that you do.

    Tip: Russia still has enough nukes to blow the shit out of the world. So does the US. They're not pointing them at anyone else, except maybe one or two on say, Britain, or maybe the middle east.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:26 No.3072480
    >You're missing the point, like how you missed the start of the second Cold War.

    Fixed that for you.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:29 No.3072484
    >You're missing the point, like how you missed the start of the second Cold War.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:29 No.3072485
    >You're missing the point, like how you missed the start of the second Cold War.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:29 No.3072487
    >You're missing the point, like how you missed the start of the second Cold War.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:37 No.3072516

    Hell, I heard a pretty damn good proposal that a permanent super-hurricane along the Mississippi would, by disrupting trade, "break America on the wheel" (that's where I got that line).

    It's weird but the nation could survive and restore order even in the face of total nuclear war, theoretically speaking, or it could fragment in the wake of a lesser situation. Of course the benefit situations like Jericho have is that even if the whole world got precision attacked like that simultaneously (an impossibility) everything is still there to get things working again. Hell even if we had a nuclear war, like I've been saying, there would still be factories, military bases, and power plants. The trouble is coordinating the supplies and power all of these places need.

    One thing about the map, and Jericho in general, though. Those ground bursts wouldn't have the widespread EMP effect I do believe (though in theory a similarly small number of nukes, detonated aerially above the nation, would while not EMP-frying everything in the country would hit the major power grids and in turn screw things up for the whole country). And even if they did, the US military has all of it's strategic commands intact loaded with communications equipment to help coordinate separated military elements. I don't entirely see how you go from Nat Guard defending FEMA camps to the troops in the West not knowing the legitimate successor to the presidency is still alive for a few months, giving them time to pick a different side.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:38 No.3072520

    T2K and Gurps Y2K gave me the impression that even in an all out nuclear war, much less the Jericho situation, the military will A. still be around and B. have communications with itself even if no one else does. The military would realistically stay together aside from a few rogues and deserters. That's not saying they could all reach other or even that their zones of martial law control would be very successful...

    Still, the Jericho situation is at least clever enough to make the fracturing seem plausible enough for fiction and gaming. And I like the map being a bit more complex than the basic Jericho situation, and I'm sure the guy who made it had good reasons for the nations he drew, but I just can't really imagine the South and New England not throwing in with the US gov.

    The Free-States do kind of make since as buffering borders and where the Blue Line of UN peacekeepers used to be keeping the ASA and USA from fighting each other. When the peacekeepers bugged out to UN occupation zones and left the Miss, those states had probably been left in more or less intact condition and no desire to see themselves become a warzone between the two, thus declaring neutrality.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:44 No.3072545


    I chuckled
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:51 No.3072578

    So your plan is that if DC got nuked by terrorists, you'd fire at Russia, presumably so their retaliation would hit the terrorists on your soil?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:54 No.3072591

    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:57 No.3072601

    I think there was a show, or perhaps a film, called "Threads" which showed the aftermath of a nuclear war in Sheffield, England and kept skipping forward in time to demonstrate how the after-conflict planning worked. It seemed pretty 'good' in terms of slow recovery, but the top-down command nature it fostered, so the show went, meant that the greater mass of survivors gradually lost the capacity (and need) for higher thought, endangering the recovery.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)10:59 No.3072618
    Goddamn, you're retarded.

    US nuclear policy is that if a strike occurs, it's by Russia as a defualt. If it's not, the ground birds won't launch, but if the people who know the codes to get the subs to stand down get killed, tough shit.
    >> LaBambaMan 11/27/08(Thu)11:04 No.3072631
    This map is bullshit. Someone would be far more interested in dropping a nuke on New York City than they would of Boston.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:05 No.3072635

    You're MAD.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:05 No.3072637

    Did someone say Threads?


    Enjoy your depression. Now in apocalyptic flavour!

    (good movie, but christ...)
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:08 No.3072647

    Good man. Now all we need is "The War Game" and that one set in Kansas city.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:08 No.3072653

    As long as you kill someone else, huh?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:09 No.3072655
    Well, yeah.

    It's not first strike that matters, it's last strike.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:10 No.3072663

    Wasn't it Curtis who said "as long as there are two americans left and one russian, we win".

    Even if they're the wrong target?
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:13 No.3072667
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:14 No.3072672
    It's not my fucking idea.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:15 No.3072677

    Man, old BBC1 idents.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:17 No.3072685
    Looks like I can't choose a side because my city got nuked.
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    It's a WW2 poster. But apt.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:23 No.3072695
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    The War Game is pretty badass.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:31 No.3072702

    Ha! On Sheffield's Emergency Committee (in event of nuclear war) there is "homelessness officers" with a biro'd final 's'. Classic.
    >> Blacksheepcannibal 11/27/08(Thu)11:32 No.3072704
    Apparently I'm fucking dead, coz I live in Lawrence, KS.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:38 No.3072718

    Columbus is totally alright.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)11:43 No.3072731
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    < This is all the alternate history I need.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)12:06 No.3072796
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    the city states of America
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)12:59 No.3072979
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:11 No.3073016

    More like Miami, fuck

    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:16 No.3073023
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:22 No.3073033
    Yeah, ok.

    Supplies Shipped to Russia June 22 1941- April 30 1944 From USA

    6,430 planes
    3,734 tanks
    10 mine sweepers
    82 smaller boats
    210,000 automobiles
    3,000 anti aircraft guns
    1,111 oerlikon guns
    17,0000 motor bikes
    991 million cartridges
    1.2 million Km telephone cable
    245,000 military telephones
    257 million oil refinery,electrical equipment
    5.2 million boots
    2 million tons of food

    Shipped to Russia June 22 1941 to April 30th 1944 From UK

    5,800 Planes
    4,292 Tanks
    12 minesweepers
    103,000 tons rubber
    6,000 machine tools

    Shipped from Canada
    1188 Tanks
    842 Armoured cars
    One million shells
    36,000 tons Aluminium
    208,000 tons grain

    Quotes the most critical supplies from the west between 1941 and 1945 as being the following

    427,000 trucks
    13,000 combat vehicles
    2000 ordinance vehicles
    35,000 motor bikes
    Petroleum products 2,670,000 tons
    Food 4,478,000 tons food

    Who saved who now? Russia sat and held hands with the Japanese while the U.S. U.K. Aussies and Kiwis fought in both theatres. They didn't save shit.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:30 No.3073059
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    More maps
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:31 No.3073061
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    whoops, flags now. Maps later.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:31 No.3073066
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:40 No.3073092
    MOAR maps. Cause I've died in each one...fuck it sucks being one of the hubs of the Pacific Fleet...
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)13:44 No.3073100
    ...why'd they bomb Connecticut? :(
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    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)15:00 No.3073306

    No launches, no detection, no warning.

    The president is giving an address to Congress when a carborn nuclear bomb, not some crappy Hiroshima bit but a converted Russian missile, blows up the capital and the other cities shown on the map. Confusion reigns and the Presidential successor (the secretary of something irrelevant) isn't able to get things coordinated again on his side until after a senator with the help of the director of the CIA or homeland security or something, as well as the nation's largest defense contractor, takes over as the "legitimate" government in the West. That's around 2004 or 2006 or something.

    This map theorizes that the situation that arises two years after that (the ASA, the Republic of Texas, and the USA separated by UN peacekeepers along the Mississippi) would turn into this situation after nearly twenty years.

    I don't know his reasoning, but I guess he thought that the news that the ASA's government lied and blew up North Korea and Iran as a scapegoat would balance out with the fact that the ASA also controls the resource areas to create military materiel and would prevent either side from beating the other. With the USA unable to make headway against the ASA it's up to cut off sympathizers like Texas and California to try to do what they can and deprive the Allied States of more resources. Or something.

    I guess the FSA and ISA might of came about while the successor president's government was too busy fighting the ASA to either hold elections or physically control those states if they seceded, so they did.
    >> Anonymous 11/27/08(Thu)15:26 No.3073399
    Please shut up now.

    And you too.
    USA gained the biggest profit from the war because there wasn't any combat on it's territory. So I guess they've "won".

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