Arthropod Adventure?

COUNT ME THE FUCK IN!!

My next campaign.

Oh shit yes.

This is awesome beyond words.

>>3137153
err coconut crab

OP here. You can play a lobster or crab (with subraces!), but it's a +4 to your level table.

I shall feast on your souls puny ground crawlers!

FUCK OFF ONLY INSECT THAT'S WORTH PLAYING IS THIS ONE.

Sure I may have almost no combat ability but my high charisma, earthburrowing powers and regeneration powers that would make a troll cry mean I make an effective and unkillable leader for the party.

I'd like to play a Silverfish, but I'm worried about the lack of offensive attributes. The immunity to disease is pretty nice, though.

Are you playing with Dragonflies as written in the Bugkeeper's Book, or the variant found in Proboscis & Pincer? I always thought the +2 lvl adjustment was too harsh, but exchanging them for the racial substitution levels made things pretty unbalanced in the other direction.

>>3137184

True. Worms are very effective party leaders. They also make good forward scouts under the right conditions.

Do they still have Fruit Fly Swarm as a playable race? I had massive fun with that back in the day.

Dibbs on a Jumping Spider. All that Agility has gotta come in handy.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT


HOLY FUCKING SHIT

Damnit, I really want to play this, now.

>>3137197

We use both actually. Generally I make the players roll standard, but if they can give a good enough story, I let them use the P&P version.

>>3137211

Yeah, you can still play. They were taken out in the latest core books, but brought them back in one of the supplements.

>>3137212

The agility is awesome. But they are fairly fragile. Lots of good damage if they make their ambush roll though. Especially if you pick up Pounce n' Nibble at 13. 10 if you Munchkin.

Centipede.

Bombardier Beetle.

BIRD-EATING SPIDER FTW!

best copypasta or the best copypasta ever?

>>3137184
>>3137202
Worms can give their regen abilities to other races, making them a sort of... doctor...

MOTHERFUCKING HERCULES BEETLE UP IN THIS SHIT.

Jesus fuck Bump this Shit

So what's the insect equivalent of meeting in the tavern and being approached by a cloaked stranger?

Also, man, /tg/ is great lately.

Japanese giant hornet.

Count me in, I'm a woodlouse! my armour is MAXIMUM!

I am a waterbear...

FUCK. YES:>>3137124

>>3137244
Swarming on the half-eaten peach that the child left on the kitchen floor?

>>3137252
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT

>>3137247
I think that's be more of a snail.

Unless snails are non-PC type creatures.

>>3137240

Oh, yea, they do great damage and they're tough as fuck. But those mandibles are so inaccurate it hurts. A Hercules Beetle will rape face against anything slower than it, but if you're up against something like a Spider, or god help you anything that can fly, you're kinda doomed.

did you know?

WASPS ARE OLDER THAN FLOWERS

bees evolved from wasps because of flowers

from wasps came bees and ants

HERMIT CRAB.

>>3137269
Dude, total fucking Bill Nye moment.

NOW YOU KNOW!

Fuck yeah, Dragonflies. Twinky as fuck.

Flight, nasty-ass bite attack, Evasion as a racial ability (level 2 substitution in P&P), combined with plus four fucking dexterity. Not only that, but the racial substitution has a good progression for Reflex!

You're playing a P&P Dragonfly with two substitution levels and one level in Cunning Predator, even if you take a straight 8 dex, you end up with a reflex save at plus nine to dodge even a Bombardier Beetle blast (also broken, fucking Beetles have been overpowered since first ed.)

Need some Giant Isopod stats right now

>>3137252
Immune to all stat conditions. Immune to just about everything. Enjoy your lack of combat though.

Also, water bears...IN SPESS

I'd be a flea.

>>3137265
Yeah, we're more of a berserker class.
Max strength, tiny hitbox.

Also, what would a Black Widow be like?

>>3137286
Dog or cat animal companion/mount?

Asian Giant Hornet
link related
http://japanesebugfights.com/

>>3137264

OP again. They are allowable, given you have some sort of good reason to play as one in the campaign.There is generally a +2 or 3 on the level table, but the "I retreat into myself" ability, limited regeneration, resistances, and other stuff makes it worth all the various downsides.

>>3137273

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOSXtBCY30

>>3137252
I will take my +20 immunities to everything, My lichy-like abilities and my awesome powers of.... SWIMMING!!!

>>3137295
What about a >>3137236 ?

>>3137124
>VESPA MANDARINIA
Damn... I wanted that...

A stag beetle then.

>>3137298
bah, you're looking at a crab battle when i show up

I'm going for leech, that vampiric regeneration should come in handy, and since their skin is like rubber they're tough too.
Lack of mobility in non-humid areas is a problem though...

I love you /tg/.

>>3137294
fuck yeah
those bug fights are awesome
good selections

I am a Cicada shed lich. My phylactery is inside >>3137252

DO YOUR WORST

Tiger Beetle.

Speedy, powerful and tough.
Can't see shit while running.

>>3137295
Are they tanking mainly then?

I like the retreat, regen and being able to crawl across any glass or blades that happen to be in the way, but they seem a little weak in combat.
Do they get any abilities for their mucous?


Me, I want to play a bot fly, takes a little bit to get the damage going, and not so great against swarms, but man, big damage + a follower off their main ability?
On a flier no less?

>>3137318 Sweet God. Are you taking a spell caster class(cause Im taking bard)? We would make a kick ass team..
>>3137312
Enjoy living in only swamplike conditions

>>3137307

You can do it, but again, with a bit of permission.

Also the size category makes it hard to maneuver in allot of areas. You pretty much have to construct a campaign around one when they are in the game, or leave them out for most of it.

They're beasts though. Kind of like Emperor Scorpions. Which is generally why people end up dicks when they play them. See original post.

Praying Mantis
Predator Bug
+4 Dexterity, -2 Wisdom
Hit dice: D6.
Talon attack for 2D4, uses dexterity mod for to-hit.
+6 racial bonus to jump checks and hide checks. Jump, Hide, and Move Silently are always class skills.

Bee
Hive Bug
+2 intelligence, +4 charisma
Hit dice: d4
Flies at landspeed (poor maneuverability)
Sting: d4 damage, crit range 15-20. On a critical hit, apply equal damage to the Bee.
+4 bonus to Spot, Perform (Dance), and Craft: Honey. Craft and Perform are always class skills.
-2 to Move Silently

>>3137294
Vespa Mandarinia IS the Asian Giant Hornet.

FUCK YEAH, SLUGS!

>>3137327
They are immune to most poisons but have a curious weakness against salt.

Okay guys, maybe you can help me with this.

We just finished our last session. The party had been working it's way through an ant hive, until we reached the Queen. Now we were banged up already from fighting off waves of worker ants slowly chipping away, and we'd lost our Healer-worm to a bunch of fucking wasps the session before.

Anyway. We manage to take down the queen by sending our Hercules beetle off to use it's Trample attacks on her young to distract her (he's tough enough to withstand the worst she could throw out with her mandibles) while hammering her with the two Bombardier Beetles in the party. Caustic spray is all kinds of awesome. The Spider and Mantid just hung back, their bodyweight wasn't nearly enough to contend with the Queen.

So she dies and we crawl out of the ruined hive. Everyone's in bad shape, we'd all lost a few legs each. Then, our motherfucker of a GM puts on this shit-eating grin and we find a child (yea, a HUMAN child, god knows what sourcebook he got THAT from) waiting for us with a magnifying glass. It'd been torching the Ants as they fled the hive after we killed their queen.

So when the next session starts we've got to try and contend with this. Any ideas? All I can think of is running the fuck away and hiding. We'd rather not sacrifice any party members as a distraction.

>>3137264

Snail shells are very brittle and fragile, whereas the circular platemail/scalemail of the louse is clearly surperior in terms of defence.

>>3137330
A lich must be versed in the dark arts, of course. But how does a waterbear know what singing is?

Solifugid
I'm in your sleeping bag eating your soldiers.

>>3137342
what type of spider do you have?

GENTLEMEN.

>>3137344
And that Roll attack of theirs is brutal, they can bring up their defense and do an attack at the same time?

Like to see a snail do that.

>"You have no chance to survive make your time."

>>3137357

Just a basic house spider. The guy's new to the group, so we set him up with something kinda middle of the road. Decent speed and attack power, and it's colouration gives it really good bonuses to hide checks in most situations.

Stat my TUSKED WETA. Defensive tusks and ohshi- factor.

>>3137333
Waterbear
Level +3
Microscopic Bug
-3 Strength, +3 Constitution, +2 Charisma, -2 Wisdom
Hit dice: D6.
BAB:1
Mandibles 1d6
+10 racial bonus to Swim Checks. Swim and Move Silently are always class skills.
+20 resistance to all elements

>>3137359
ohshi-

didn't those things invent mothballs?

>>3137355
Bah, the leveladjustment is like +12 and the size diffrence makes it really hard to fit in socially. Even with the Savage Specimen sourcebooks rule on racial substitiution levels, you'll always fall behind the spider with classlevels.

>>3137342
mantis out first, fly to a leaf nearby in an attempt to distract the child buying the other members time to escape into the shadows of nearby foliage

>>3137354
Not singing, dancing. Its a new Bard Variant. Inspiring Step instead of Inspiring Song.

>>3137380

I want to play an Eciton Burchellii, I invested all my points in minions and leadership abilities :)

>>3137375
well... assuming your DM isn't going to pull out his DMPC to masturbate, you'll probably need to distract the kid with the mantis so the spider can close enough to deliver a bite to somewhere sensitive so hopefully the kid will freakout and run off. Of course once that happens you need to get the hell out fast because if you DM is dick, the kid will use one its summon abilities, which will get either a human adult or a human teenager, and they will royally fuck your shit up.

>>3137284

That's the BBEG.

>>3137395
Ant social networks are decentralized, enjoy your wasted points. Great NPC opponents, not so much for PCs.

>>3137355
You should check out the Egyptian breed of those. Meanest motherfuckers there is.

>>3137342
Surely there's more than one entrance to the hive?
Go back in and find another exit, the kid should stay busy with the ants for a good while.

>>3137407
This game is about roleplaying, not rollplaying!

>>3137342
See if the Herc has any HP left to tank to buy you some time. Failing that, see if the spider can make an intimidate check.

>>3137403

That sounds good. He did mention that the kid was barefoot. If we can get him to bend down, the Bombardiers might be able to hit him in the eye despite the penalties for hitting a precise target. I just hope they've not used all their Daily abilities yet.

>>3137280
Fuck year, Dragonflies.

I've been working on the following Dragonfly build for a lvl 9 campaign (not looking forward to fighting against Swallows):

Dragonfly Sub. 2, Cunning Predator 3, Raindrop Dodger 3, Shimmering Striker prestige (from Hive & Hornet) 1
Feats: Reflexes, Deep Nip, Fly-By Attack, Manoeuvrability, Biting Cleave, Dodge
Flaw: Ravenous
Weapon: Narrow-Mouth Bite
Armour: Blue Carapace

The combination of all the awesome reflex boosts and the Shimmering Striker allows me to pretty much ignore any attack that would hit; most bugs (and, happily, birds) don't even get to roll, though spiders will always be a problem. The third level of Cunning Predator's mainly for the extra point of Sneak Attack, which is vital on an otherwise low-damage build like this- and, with speed like this, you can be fairly sure you'll have them Still Winged/Flat Footed most of the time.
Beetles are still a bitch, though-- any advice?

>>3137403
I wouldn't go for the bite personally, the Child will use it's swat attack, shit has a large enough AoE to kill whatever is around the attacked area unless you have a godtier Dex and a lucky as shit roll.

Distraction, then run is your best bet, you can't take out a a Child unless you have a centipede or something, those have a hellish amount of amour, even a fucking Adult Stomp attack doesn't dent it too much.

I wanted to come up with some D&D comparisons like Ants = Modrons, but then it occured to me that Ants = Formians (giant ants), so I'm kind of out of ideas.

>>3137184
Plus, if you're playing the gurps version, earthworms are awesome with power armor.

>>3137420
>See if the Herc has any HP left to tank to buy you some time.
I wouldn't do that against a magnifying glass
>Magnifying glass~Las cannon
Don't take any chances I'd say; kids have really short attention span, either wait it out for find another exit

>>3137445
Ah, skipped over that part. Yeah, that'll fry you but good.

>>3137427
How did you play out the stats to obtain Shimmering Striker
Seems like that'd be a bitch for a dragonfly who took that many classes..

>>3137440
Didn't think they could do Power Armor, just "Ultra-high-tech-indestructible-super-space-cyber-suit"?

And even then you need your DM to be kind enough to allow the event that makes it drop from a passing ship.

How come nobody plays cockroaches anymore?

>>3137430
im probably just used to playing tanks with poison or crazy powerful critical attacks, it was the first thing that came to mind

>>3137471

Social Stigma.

After the series of books about that fucking Mary Sue cockroach that goes on to kill a Giant Isopod and attain the friendship and equality of all other Insect breeds out there, no-one can stand playing them. Even if you're sticking true to character as a garbage-eating wretch, you're still gonna take some insults from a lot of people.

Onychophora FTW. Most people don't know about it, but it's awesome. They get some annelid benefits, plus legs, claws, teeth, and even paralyzing slime-spraying with almost a whole foot of range.

Pic related.

>>3137471
>How come nobody plays cockroaches anymore?
Seriously; good armor, insane toughness, insane regen, insane agility, die-hard, amongst other things. heck, you can even upgrade for flight if you want to.
Also, they have higher INT and PER than most.

>>3137471
their too bland and are really only good at running away

I say save them for arthropocalypse where they can take a huge pile of mutations with out batting an eye

of course even then I would still rather play a mutant land lobster

>>3137454
Well, the Ravenous flaw allowed me to take the final Manoeuvrability feat, but getting the stats was tricky; they're impossible with the Elite Array, and points buy leaves you hurting-- the minimum in Dex, Cha, and Wis leaves little to really help you deal damage or take any extra skills at a useful level. Some use dice-gen and hope; personally, I just fucked my constitution hard (I have a six!)...

Dung Beetles are going to HURT.

FUCK YEAH! ARTHROPOCALYPSE!

MY COCKROACH SHOOTS RADIATION LASERS!

BITCH.

I'M A BULLET ANT.

>>3137471
They used to be awesome, a few of the subspecies in the splat books are great, but they retconned in the nocturnal trait, makes them hard to use in a party, except in caves.

If you level up some you can get the 'Light Sensitive' trait, lets you go out into the sun/light but with reduced stats.


If your DM allows it, try out a Mayan Hisser, has a massive + to level though, like 6 or more.
Better to use as a BBEG, scary as hell if it was female.

>>3137492

because most people don't like to marinate in shit for a few bonuses. Not saying that I wouldn't, but to each his own treasure and preference

>>3137508
I'M A GONNA RAPE YOU.

>>3137492
You don't regenerate limbs, which come loose more easily than those of other insects.

It's a great zombie-style player, but it gets depresing after losing your second leg and playing dead, unless you have flying (epic skill) which nets you incredible Intimidate.

If I was the DM I'd be bringing in Teenaged Babysitter if one of you guys bit the kid.

>>3137501
But is the Lightening Dash ability worth having to take time to gorge yourself every half-hour.

Dragonflies are way underpowered. I've got a dragonfly... swarm, I guess out by my house, and they will literally just snatch wasps out of the air and eat them while still hovering. Holy fucking shit man.

Personally, I like playing a flea if I want to be stealthy (Fuckton armor and HUGE movement bonuses, nevermind size), Tarantulas when I want to tank, and Bullet Ants when I want to do damage. Well, I used to play Bullet Ants, but they got so nerfed its not even funny...

>>3137522
Fuck I flinched, and not just from that image alone...

>>3137526
You are thinking of Fully Flight, that is epic, but they get Flying at level ~5 I think, been a while since I checked, but the problem is the distance, it's 6" max last I checked, makes it almost useless.

>>3137526
like I said, only good at running away

they really only shine in arthropocalypse (no pun intended)

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread?

Can we use any of the Australia source books?

Jesus Christ! Human Teenaged Babysitter? What kind of GM are you?

>>3137556

FUCK NO. stupid mega damage breaks the whole game.

>>3137529
all she's going to do is go grab bug spray, which just gives the party more time to escape

>>3137556

Only if you want to be kicked out the group for powergaming.

>>3137556
Shit no, that's massively unbalanced. They had to pacify the Exalted Hive players somehow, though.

>>3137531
Dragonflies are carnivorous, so it can be a problem if you're not playing a heavy combat version, but if you are, Lightning Dash is worth its weight in gold. Reflex Save to ignore successful hits if moving at top speed, able to combo with a charge? FUCK YES.
>>3137533
Oh, they are in the Bugkeeper's guide (+2 LA? wtf?), but the Pincer and Proboscis version is amazing- each of the substitution levels is brilliant for any sneaky build, and they go well for heavy-hitters that need a little extra trickiness, too. Gotta play them as hit-and-run or divebomber to manage anything, though.

>>3137556

Are you fucking kidding me? That shit is so broken and overpowered. Just look at the stats on this thing.

>>3137576
DEAR GOD.

THAT'S WORSE THAN THE FEMALE MAYAN HISSING COCKROACH WE RAN INTO.

And it had 40 minions!

I love these little bastards

>>3137589
That's as many as four tens!

Fuck yes. That's what this game is called, not D&D but with bugs, fucking Arthropocalypse.

BTW, I thought about rolling up a house centipede, doesn't have the toughness or the poison of their cousins, but they also don't have a level adjustment, also the massive bonus to intimidate vs. Humans can get you out of some tricky situations. What do you guys think?

>>3137556
cut everything by about 20% to 40% and it should be a little better for use, but you'll need to make the rest of the party is playing some fucking super bugs even

I love this thread.

>>3137538
6" max?
Back in Taiwan I had one of those with a yellow band around its head fly at me from across the fucking room (nearly shat myself, it being out of the few insects I fear), do NOT tell me they don't have full flight, Christ.
>http://www.springerlink.com/content/u2k8155423x675v7/

So /tg/, I was thinking about running the entire campaign of "Evil In the Mounds" but I can't decide if I want to run the Africa or Australia one.

I'll just leave this here.

>>3137610
If i saw that in my house I would burn the place down and then kill myself

>>3137610
TONIGHT.
WE DINE.
IN HEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL!!!!

Alright, I've just started GM'ing this and we're doing fine so far. But I'm kinda stuck for campaign ideas; simple turfwars with NPC groups are fine for now while we all settle into our characters, but sooner or later the party is going to want something a bit meatier plot-wise.

Ideas?

anyone got a good scorpion tank template? about level 7

>>3137576
The Huntsman?

He's not even poisonous, his bite is decent, but all he has going for him is size, which will often be a hinderance.

I don't get the hate towards the Australian Sourcebooks, sure a few of the bugs in there are broken as shit.

I mean, hell, the South American Book has better centipedes, and even the standard book has the fucking Brown Recluse, that fucker is way worse than any spider in the Oz book.
The Redback is pretty balanced, the Funnel Web is pretty brutal though, good size, and those fangs give him massive damage, and that speed.

>>3137606
Who you playing with?

Come on, the Weta ain't overpowered, Stinging Limb and Narrow Bite aren't powerhouses (though they do give good support since they have Sprint and Leap). Unless you play the Giant Weta version, that thing can tank spiders.

I want to try a Locust, but instead of the boring Omnivore or ubiquitous Unstoppable Plague, I'd like to try something a little different...

Locust Swarm of One.

I know, I know, the fluff only mentions it being used-- anywhere-- by stinging insects (Mosquitos, especially), but think about it. The prcs are the same as for Ascetic Survivor, which makes this tough bug even stronger; there's nothing in the rules about it, and it's perfectly in flavour with Locusts.

>>3137605
That's a specialty subspecies, you have to get the South-East Asia Splatbook for that guy, we were talking about the standard roach.

>>3137619
>scorpion tank
Did someone say my name?

>>3137634
I don't know, the group hasn't sent me all their sheets yet but I know one player is running this speed twink centipede tank, I can't remember what species.

Archive dis thread so I can use it after finals are over!

>>3137619

Concentrate on the feats that improve your claws. Since you're tanking, you can rely on grappling your opponent and slowly tearing them apart. The huge damage and poison effects of the tail look nice, but trust me, a Tanking scorpion doesn't need it. The claws do less damage, but they've got a far better chance of hitting and you get all kinds of special grappling abilities.

>>3137644
>That's a specialty subspecies, you have to get the South-East Asia Splatbook for that guy, we were talking about the standard roach.
It... It... I'm ashamed to say it was nothing so exotic... It was American ;_;
>See link provided in that post

Almighty dice gods, someone please write this game!

>>3137662

Must have had the epic level flight.

>>3137619
Scorpion? Shit, Scorpion Stinger sub 3, followed by straight Stinger 4. Scoprions are easily one of the best straight melee classes, especially against larger opponents.

You could also try Scorpion Stinger 2, then switch into five levels of Ascetic Survivor; only do this if you enjoy long combats. You'll kill most opponents with less damage to you, but it'll take longer. The added advantages outside of combat are nice, but try not to meditate inside shoes.

>>3137669
The best thing about /tg/ is that people have detailed discussions about games that have not been written yet.

So, anyone want to stat the Goliath Bird-Eating Spider? Shit is so cash, even though there's no way the DM would let you play a Gargantuan size class creature. Would make epic BBEG henchman, though. They're kinda stupid, like a golem. Just the fangs alone would be the size of most PC's.

>>3137652
Go Australia then. Africa has a lot of closed in areas.

>>3137669
YES PLEASE.

WOULD BUY.

>>3137656
on it, just a sec

>>3137680
>http://japanesebugfights.com/
Dude, I'd still recommend the Stag Beetle, just check out that awesome tanking and power

Scorpion stinger? No. Even with all those bonuses, you won't hit worth a damn anything your own size or smaller. Grapple-intensive is good, and then you can follow with stings.
Try Scorpion Stinger 2 for the stat bonuses, then switch to something more meaty, like Undersea Wrestler (scorpions surprisingly fit the prerequisites), or the aforementioned Ascetic build.
Feat-wise, take any form of Cleave. Sometimes, you'll get a quick kill with your stinger, and being able to follow into an extra grapple.
Remember your stinger gets +4 to hit on AOE!

Okay so 'Evil In the Mounds' guy again, I just got an email from one of my players. He's playing a pretty standard nuker Megarhyssa, but his description is really kind of freaking me out. He goes into a lot of depth about the silken feel of the ovipositors and their colors.

What should I do? I mean he's a good player but if he starts trying to deposit into other PCs, I think I'm going be sick.

Pic related- It's his character portrait

>>3137722
Look at that disarm attempt, hit the scorpion so hard it died!

>>3137747
Discount it and tell him you're not making a raep game.

>>3137732
Scorpions are aquatic?

I love you /tg/

>>3137760
They can survive being underwater for two days, which fits the prcs. Hell, ants fit the prcs.

>>3137747
He's just... getting a feel for his character. Don't discourage him, it's good rol--fff oh god I can't help myself FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP

>>3137747
Give him some nice NPCs to release some of the built up tension then. Oh, and be sure to give them some armor saves so when he DOES deposit, it is all the more satisfying.
What ever you do, do NOT break it off; it would break the man's spirits!

>>3137789
I can't imagine any of DM that lets you play an ant without MASSIVE movement penalties under any decent sized body of water.

>>3137799
if it's messing up the atmosphere of the game though he needs to cut it out, but if the other players dont give a damn have at it

Hey, idea for your next BBEG:
>http://pshs-wvccomputersciencedepartment.blogspot.com/2007/12/japans-latest-innovation-remote-co
ntrol.html
An army of cyborg-cockroaches controlled by Japs

'Mounds of Evil' Guy again, the rest of the players seem pretty cool with whatever and one of the other players also wants to play a wasp now.

The second I get ovipositor slashfic I'm killing the entire group.

>>3137875
What kind of horror will you unleash upon them?

Both settings have some DELICIOUSLY dickish monstrosities to unleash.

>>3137747
dat thorax... just. dat thorax.

oh baby.

>>3137610

>>3137747
DAT THORAX

>>3137896
Is dat sum larvae?

>>3137885
This is one of the first encounters in the adventure, fuck load of HP and while it doesn't do a lot of damage it ignores armor.

MODS CANT BAN ME

>>3137924
I can see the first few molts... I like to catch them when they shed, if you know what I mean.

But LARVAE?! Goddamn, man.

>>3137933
Oh holy hell. You're really gonna make this hard for them, aren't you?

>>3137938
dude CP is fuckin disgusting i hope you burn in hell

>>3137933
Bringing out the mammals from the beginning? Is this an experienced team or are you just a dick?

>>3137933
I hope you intend for it to be a reoccuring enemy because otherwise holy shit thats mean

>>3137964
moar like LP Amirite?

>this thread

>>3137967
Jumping Jack ants, Bombardiers, poisonous spiders, Scorpions and Mosquitos are all petty effective anti-mammal critters.

Small scorpions can DPS with their tails, but if you're playing the archetypal 'big fucking emperor scorpion' you're better off with the claws. If you full attack, toss that tail in, sure, but it's not worth it to take multiattack or any of that. You've got improved grab, build to improved grapple and power attack. Remember, power attacks don't lower your grapple checks, so you can dish out some insane damage, plus all that natural armor helps because you're going to be flat-footed a lot of the time. Don't bother taking ability focus with poison or any of that. It's only really useful if you're playing a bark scorpion for damage.

Of course the real weakness of any scorpion build is flyers, but that's why you've got your own flyers and spiders, especially. I love it-in my last campaign we managed to lure two dozen wasps into a trap set by the orb weaver webmaster. That'll teach those fuckers.

Though as far as DPS goes, if you're playing in an evil game, totally roll up an assassin bug. Their poisonous saliva is totally vicious, and the DC is high enough to get even tank-type creatures with high fort saves. Nothing starts a fight out well like a bite from an assassin bug the enemy thought was just a pile of dust. Of course, you'll have the problem of the hive-insects not trusting you, which can be a problem for surviving winter if the campaign is set in the higher or lower latitudes. You can either be honest about it, and take the Symbiosis feat, which works well if you're rolling with some Africanized bees because the alignment issues won't be a big deal, but if the local towns are regular bees then you better take Camouflage or Mimic. Stay away from ant hives, they're assholes regardless of what alignment you are, even if the campaign is set after 2006, settle for termites if you have too. Rooming with ants during the winter is just asking to be enslaved or eaten.

>>3137967
One of the players is starting at a lower level of the foodchain to begin as a Goliath Beetle Larva. He's mostly just a big spongey sack of HP right now, but if I don't keep the concern of something larger out there they'll breeze through the entire game and infest the entire region.

>>3137973
Reoccurring enemy, provided the players don't kill it and eat it's body.

Seriously, someone needs to make a game setting like this. It'd be like Watership Down but for bugs.

Anyone been able to find a build to take out the Mantis Shrimp yet?

>>3138103

I'm putting my money where my chelicerae are: I'll pay between $20 and $40 for a good book (PDF) of this made into a full game. I have Paypal and enough disposable income to do it. That's one guaranteed sale for anyone with the brains and patience to do this right.

I could see it working very well with hybridized 3.5 D&D rules, but it would take far too much time than /tg/ has the patience for.

>>3138103
>>3138123
/tg/ Publications, I can just see it...
One day... One day... We may even buy GW...

>>3138120
I've got a piece of shit publishing company online I could do it from with my friends! One of them is a science faggot who knows the 3.5 rules inside out, and the other is just a science faggot who plays D&D.

>>3138131
HOLY SHIT.

I WILL GIVE YOU ONE OF MY KIDNEYS IF YOU FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THAT.

>>3137896
I actually found one of these things, and captured it till I knew what it was.

It's harmless to humans, but it lays eggs in other things with those tubes. It's a kind of wasp.

>>3138120
I don a tripcode and accept your challenge, my gentleman!

But what shall it's name be, /tg/?

>>3138172
Bugs: The Crawling

>>3138172

"Traditional Games Publishing"

>>3138158
I'm in too. I'll buy it if you can make one. Cross my thorax and hope to die.

Stat me

CAN I BE THIS?

let the basics be nailed down then,

what species are considered 'core' so far it's something like
dragonfly
spider
scorpions/big beetles
centipedes

I can see people arguing traits like poison and jumping so what rules can ya'll figure on anythin else?

specialty bugs to be included
assassin bug
bombardier beetle
bullet ant
what about classes, what are the analogues?

tggers

>>3138210
THE FINAL BATTLE OF THE CAMPAIGN
GET OFF MY PLANET

>>3138158
I'm interested in doing this, too. If you'd like to toss some ideas around, I'd be happy to join in.

>>3138210
Over-powered.

>>3138181
Aardvarks and Anthills?

"Arthropocalypse" has a nice ring to it.

I would like to see some sort of grasshopper/cricket included as a core race.

Personally, I like the idea of most species having a few racial substitution levels; a level one stag beetle should be hard to kill with some nice offensive boosts, but one with three racial substitution levels will be much more offensively geared.

>>3138243
Well, I can see Cricket as a bard, but Grasshopper would be good for what? Camouflage?

We need to do this. It'd be like bunnies and burrows with BUGS, COURAGE AND MANLINESS.

The system should be a streamlined version of 3.5.

I'd imagine that it would be appreciated by biology dorks (like me) as well as the younger crowd. A simple system also means its easier to insert in new arthropod races.

Plus you'd get to play weird as shit races. You want to play a botfly? Go! You want to play a barnacle driving a crab like a car? Go!

>>3138232
I would join in too, but I'm sadly only a player, and a mediocre one at that.

>>3138218
Hmm..
Well, bigger beetles and the like can be berserker/fighter class. Flight insects will vary. ants can be more Scouts/Fighters.

>>3138243
when I came up with that I was really intending it to be the post apocalyptic version of this but if thats what /tg/ wants then so be it

I just wanted to speak my mind on it

Arthropocalypse seems to be what it's archived as. For system do people have their hearts set on a D20 adaption?

It seems like a simplistic narrative system might appeal to the biology lovers, the younger crowd, and all those guys that keep posting about Mouse Guard.

>You want to play a botfly?

You emerge from the disease riddled African child's armpit to the light of a new world. You are startled to note that you have taken on a form completely unlike anything you have known before. Your wing casing and exoskeleton hardens quickly and you take flight.

Adventure awaits.

>>3138312

Having never really played a narrative system, I can't really say. How is conflict handled in that kind of system?

I just wanted to take a second to tell you guys, again, that I love you.

>>3138321

And this is why the game has to be made.

I would buy this game.

>>3138312
I'd prefer some d20 for this, although I would propose that the class system is more limited in level scope (i.e. the "rogue" class would have ten or so levels to it) and perhaps have an "epic destiny" ala 4e, where once you've maxed out your level, its time to mate/be eaten by your mate/lay eggs and destroy your body.

If this were to be published in PDF form, would /tg/ want adventures to go with it? (I have some ideas for mechanics I'd like to play around with, but I'm drawing a lot of blanks on mechanics)

This is an Etymologist's wet dream.

>>3138343
most classes would almost have to be genus specific

>>3138343
so a characters life ends in combat or in mating...
GOOD END!

that and there are no elves to piss people off with either, equally awesome

Okay, so, thread requested 2 times.

>>3138356
Oh fuck you Firefox autocorrect, I did not mean Ety.

>>3138360
i also prefer genus specific classes

By some slight mutation, all the colonies within several hundred miles are allied and connected! RESIST YOUR OPPRESSIVE FIRE ANT OVERLORDS!

>>3138360
I think most classes would fit quite a few races-- maybe give each race a list of keywords, and each class a list of keywords required to fit it. "Stinger" would work for Mosquitos and Scorpions, but not Earwigs.

>>3138374

careful or there will be to many options and new players would get bored REAL fast

To what extent are we anthropomorphising these bugs? Some sort of hidden insect civilization or something more limited?

I'm thinking more like watership down with bugs, like I said. Starts out with a bit of exploring, mostly survival, but then deal with the wars between the major hive insects. I'm seeing ants as antagonists, your basic orc/goblin kind of enemy, bees and termites as more friendly, but the bees are a dying race and the termites are no match for the evil depths the ants are willing to sink to. It's up to the PCs to save 'civilization.' Of course, the world is a dangerous place regardless, with birds, mice, rats, and other voracious predators. It's only fellow arthropods which are able to be conversed with and which have intelligence, however. Other creatures are mostly dumb beasts, though some theorize that due to the malice with which some primates attack arthropods, they must have some sort of intelligence, but others disagree.

>>3138374
It really makes sense, since a scorpion rogue is not going to play at all like a dragonfly rogue or even a spider rogue

>>3138386
i disagree strongly
i feel that scorpion and mosquito classes and such should have nothing to do with each other (as an example)

Thread is autosaging, shall we relocate to a new thread?

Someone start new one or I will.

Yes, please start a new thread.
I will have to go to bed soon, but I'll be checking here tomorrow evening, hopefully there'll still be discussion from this.

Pretty sure there is another one already up.

should there be classes and races?
or should creature choice be both?

should there be scorpion rogues and fighters
or should there just be one Scorpion selection (though preferably with some options contained within it)?

>>3138428
the other one is the post-apoc spinoff of this

Here you guys go:
>>3138452

Done! >>3138453

>>3138460
That works too.