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    70 KB Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)06:52 No.3152294  
    Hey /tg/, i've had a D&D campaign running for a while, and I'm feeling like throwing a rather unconventional spanner in the works, after a succession of fun, but relatively standard story arcs.

    It'll begin with the party finding a wrecked village. all the people dead, and not just torn apart, but almost medically dissected, buildings shredded. the one "survivor" they find is a partially vivisected child, who says the following words

    "It doesn't think, It doesn't feel,
    It doesn't laugh or cry.
    All It does from dusk till dawn
    is make the soldiers die"

    The players know enough about mtg for this to make them go "oh shit". then something large and menacing comes over the horizon...

    tl;dr Phyrexian invasion of a D&D campaign. any fun ideas on making it work?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)06:56 No.3152312
    I don't have anything constructive to say, but I'll just say this: FUCK YEAH, PHYREXIA! Goddamn, they're the best faction in MtG. Can I see some stats for Phyrexian creatures/characters?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:01 No.3152330
    I gave up on MtG around Homelands. What the hell is Phyrexia?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:02 No.3152335


    One of the best parts of the setting which you missed. An artificial plane of black/artifact necrotech beings created by the will of a mad god to make war on all the worlds, and conquer them.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:03 No.3152340

    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:12 No.3152364
    Dominaria, eh? I think I still have copies of Arena and the three Greensleeves books somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:18 No.3152376
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    You should start it more subtle. The Phyrexians thoroughly planned their invasions. Starting with spies in the civilized regions and slowly corrupting little areas. For enemies you could throw some of those spies (with surprisingly in-human stats), corrupted mad men and un-identified constructs with standard golem stats at them. Learning about that unknown menace being Phyrexia when they're already deep in the woodworks will make this an "OH SHIT!" moment they will never forget.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)07:21 No.3152387
    I advise against the nursery rhyme. It's seldom bad-ass and creepy and often cliché.
    I mean, you might-- might-- be able to pull it off, but I know I sure as fuck wouldn't be able to.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:25 No.3152393

    ...I agree, that is a much better way to do it. and it lets me work a few political elements in, as they have to work out who is a spy, who is not...


    While what you say is true, that rhyme is my favourite piece of flavour text of all time, so I'm hoping to find some way of utilising it...
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:25 No.3152395
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    I once had a shadow warlock villain in a campaign I ran who's catch phrase was "Don't be afraid, we are here to free you from the itchy wet skin of life."
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)07:25 No.3152398
    however, someone quietly singing to themselves as they die, going quite mad (an adult too, dying children is too shock value-y), is good.
    you don't need words in the song.
    what you do need is the ability to sing slowly, in a wavering and off-key manner.
    I've done it to pretty good effect.
    >> Nyat 12/11/08(Thu)07:28 No.3152400
    You could have it start out with them dealing with sleeper agents, but not really know what they are sleeper agents for, just that its something big and bad. The first time they fight an actual phyrexian and truly realize what the evil really is could be your village scene.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:29 No.3152403
    No, don't have it spoken at all, but scrawled in blood or charcoal on some surface next to a mutilated and dead child.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)07:30 No.3152408
    he could do the village thing, and then cut back to a single normal stand-alone adventure or two.
    then he should hit the sleeper agents, and let it slowly build to another village scene, but this time the characters will know (to a small extent) what's going on.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)07:30 No.3152409

    Much, much fucking better.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)07:34 No.3152421
    don't have it be a child.
    dead children is blase, honestly.
    everyone does it, because it's all death of innocence and highlights the inhumanity of the enemy, but it's overblown.
    have it scrawled next to a fucking inkeep or farrier or barmaid or something.
    that's all.
    just also mention that no one was spared, and that there are all sorts of autopsies, people with marks and breaks (hidden Heal/relevant knowledge check) that seem like someone held them down as they were dissected.
    >> Arcbound 12/11/08(Thu)07:41 No.3152450
    ...the potential for a campaign where your players travel through the nine levels of Phyrexia is a scary thought indeed.

    Final boss: Yawgmoth's Demon
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)07:45 No.3152461

    If nine planeswalkers in giant magical mecha couldn't do it, I don't see how any PC's could.

    Then again, that was when Phyrexia was whole. Perhaps, after the end of the Invasion saga, it was so heavily damaged, but not destroyed? And, at the heart of ruined Phyrexia, the last diminished shard of Yawgmoth lives, a nothing compared to his old self, but still powerful enough to take over a world if given enough time. and the PC's must go through the ruined layers of Phyrexia, fighting the remnants of the grand armies and the ghosts of the past, to find and finally destroy him.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)07:47 No.3152469
    "Come, Planeswalkers. Friend or traitor, come. Come and look upon the Heart, and Yawgmoth. And bring [insert artifact here]... I have need of it."
    >> Arcbound 12/11/08(Thu)07:49 No.3152474

    Would play again.
    >> Arcbound 12/11/08(Thu)07:50 No.3152479
    If you run with that idea, I wonder how the PCs would get across the oil sea plane.
    >> Christmas Ape 12/11/08(Thu)08:01 No.3152507
    >If nine planeswalkers in giant magical mecha couldn't do it, I don't see how any PC's could.
    Because none of those nine planeswalkers were PCs in a roleplaying game, with players sitting at the other side of the table expecting a little more than "LOL you die don't go to Phyrexia" when that's the only way to continue the campaign towards completion.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:05 No.3152511
    Come to me, through fire and war. I welcome you.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:06 No.3152515

    I don't agree with this, really. If the PC's do something utterly retarded and impossible, they shouldn't be able to do it, just because that moves the story on. They should die, because they did something retarded and impossible. The world the PC's exist in should have laws and absolutes that even they are subject too. Its not like they can deny the law of gravity to move the story on, so why ignore the fundamental nature of certain places?

    Plus, toning down full-fledged Phyrexia to something weak is almost sacrilege. Ruined Phyrexia works much better.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:09 No.3152524
    >Its not like they can deny the law of gravity to move the story on
    they have spells and items to do that for them.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:10 No.3152530
    Don't have the Apocalypse shit as canon in your game. I barely accept it as canon-- it was badly written, made nos sense, and they had the fucking CS Goto of Magic working on the book. Death Cloud Yawgmoth wtf.

    I dream that, one day, they'll have a Time Spiral-esque re-run of those sets (and Homelands), perhaps with several different possible endings all being canon simultaneously: the multiverse split in two, one where Yawgmoth ate Dominaria, and another where he was beaten.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:10 No.3152531

    Well, >>3152461 provides a nice backup clause to explain that happening. With that setup, it would still be extremely difficult, but not impossible.

    Also sets up a nice quest for artifacts or writings of the legendary planeswalkers, to find weapons and information to defeat the remains of Yawgmoth.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:12 No.3152537

    I loved apocalypse, personally. It resolved a lot of hanging plots, brought it all together and ended with the most epic death scene in MTG history- Urza and Gerrards sacrifice to defeat Yawgmoth. Also, Death Cloud Yawgmoth seemed terrifying to me. An enemy you can't really fight, let alone defeat, and one who can literally envelop the whole world if he wills it.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:13 No.3152540
    Don't involve the actual plane of Phyrexia. Just make your PC's stop the first wave of invasion in attempt to hinder it, so that Phyrexia decides to go for other planes instead which are easier for the picking. Maybe add that they will try again in a few centuries or so, when they have grown.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:14 No.3152543
    Oh, it had its good points, I'll agree. But if Yawgmoth could do that, why didn't he fucking do it before...?
    The usual "Why don't they just form the Megazord" problem, nu.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:14 No.3152545

    I think the real problem is fluffwise its too pumped up.The Planeswalkers are doing stuff that that wee-wees on the Epic handbook but apparently they arent crap compared to Super Saiyan 2 Yawgmoth
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:16 No.3152548
    Don't forget he almost ascended to be the Patron God of black mana!

    ...I think...
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:16 No.3152551
    Tangentially related, but I just realised I've never actually seen a direct "D&D vs MTG" thread before. We all know slivers are utterly hax, and phyrexia is terrifying, and planeswalkers are basically living plot devices... does D&D have anything to match that?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:17 No.3152553
    Fun fact: Color wheel-wise Yawgmoth would actually be White-Black
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:18 No.3152556
    That's pretty fucking elaborate for a little, "partially vivisected" child to say.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:18 No.3152557
    Wait, what?

    How is Yawgmoth white in any way?
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:19 No.3152558
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    >living plot devices
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:22 No.3152562

    You obviously aren't familiar with Phyrexian Vivisection. They're very careful, wanting their victims to stay alive for a long time after the process, so they can take notes and do some experiments, like "What happens if take hold of this organ and squeeze?". They go to the point of using some dark healing magic in order to prevent death, just to keep it going.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:22 No.3152564
    Yawgmoth was originally a (admittedly power-hungry) healer, who discovered the ultimate medicine against any illness: making everyone into an undead machine. Phyrexia is his attempt at creating an utopia without sickness and death.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:24 No.3152569
    Phyrexians are Unit 731?
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:25 No.3152572
    Epic levels can get insane. Remember the book which mentioned the Neutronium Golem and all that?

    Mind you, I like mtg's recent depowering. Actually makes an rpg viable.

    Slivers would be, in D&D... scary. Can you imagine the CR? A single Muscle Sliver is as deadly as a grizzly bear, and four are as deadly as a dragon, and Sinew Slivers allow them to be able to each kill leviathans. From only eight slivers. Mind you, some of the individual abilities are beyond belief-- Crystalline Sliver gives them all spell resistance up the wazoo.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:28 No.3152577

    and you think that kid is still able to recite motherfucking rhymes after that? Obviously you know even less about children than me. The shock of the whole thing, itself, would be enough. We're talking about a goddamn developing, emotionally unprepared human, not some hardened warrior.

    I'm all fine and dandy with a few quick, unknowingly muttered words, the usual "they live" -shit or something, it's not about the physical capability, but simply the fact that it's pretty fucking elaborate and sounds ridiculous from the mouth of a child who has been cut open and lies on the ground bloodied.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:32 No.3152582

    The kid has actually undergone transformation. They've put a voice box in his throat, that's what's producing the sounds. The song becomes more and more shrill until the kid's face splits open, revealing buzzsaw blades and poison-tipped injector fangs, and it lunges on the party.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:34 No.3152585
    that's fucking stupid.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:35 No.3152587

    THAT I'm more than fine and dandy with. Fucking do it. Make the poor bastard cry first. Hit the players where it hurts. Something like that will really demonstrate what sort of sick fucking things they're dealing with.

    Unless they're untouched. Then you have the abomination explode.

    And I'm stealing this shit.
    >> That Paranoid Guy 12/11/08(Thu)08:36 No.3152589
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    I thought I heard someone say Neutronium Golem, so I came as fast as I could.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:37 No.3152591

    Blows all the sublety out of the window, true. But I don't see it being in any way out of place when it comes to Phyrexians.
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    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:41 No.3152602
    It's more "WHY WAS HE SINGING". I mean, the razors, etc. work fine as a shocker, but after a child just sitting there singing a little song, it's jarring in more ways than one: why sing the rhyme? There's more effective ways to surpise, and better ways to warn people.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:42 No.3152604
    Yes, but no matter how much of a "healer" he was pretty mono-black. I'm serious, even as a physician he exterminated an entire cat-folk species (or something along those lines) pretty much for the lulz.

    Just because a cleric is a cleric, that doesn't make him necessarily good.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:42 No.3152606

    That works, too.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:43 No.3152611
    it's unsubtle and a bit uncreative.
    I try to be a bit more...
    I try to think like a director, and that'd be just too stock of a 'creepy scene' for my tastes.
    I prefer the slow buildup, minor things leading to a reveal that is in no way shocking by itself, but due to the events surrounding it and the lead-up to it, is both unexpected and memorable.

    and now I sleep, for it is 7:43 AM.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:43 No.3152613

    >he exterminated an entire cat-folk species

    Yawgmoth hates furries? That settles it, I'm serving His will. Beats the Omnissiah any day.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:44 No.3152616
    Phyrexia is also horribly Lawfully aligned, in in Magic terms that means White
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:45 No.3152622

    White=/= Good

    White is a certain selflessness and interest in others over the self, but that doesn't always mean good. White can be tyrannical, authoritarian and controlling, denying free will and individuality in favour of the common good.

    Likewise, Black is not evil. It is simply self interest, competition, individual identity and individual supremacy.

    Heck, a simple way of showing this up is that Capitalism is Black, while Communism is White. Whose the bad guy now?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:46 No.3152627
    I'd say have the rhyme written on a wall in blood, repeating over and over again
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/11/08(Thu)08:47 No.3152629

    Maybe you never find the source of the song.

    That's what made fucking Twinkle Twinkle Little Star so effective in Dead Space.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:47 No.3152630

    Sure is. But if we wanted creative, we wouldn't be using kids in the first place.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:48 No.3152632
    It could also be blue. You know, the color of progress, and Spinal Embrace, and artifact synergy.
    Yawgy is more Bu, but I'd venture he could be wBu. He is, without a doubt, 90% black, though.
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:48 No.3152633
    >> parabolic:theEND !!HfL9M9xslOG 12/11/08(Thu)08:49 No.3152637
    which I suggested from the start.
    regular people are just as, if not more, effective than children in these types of situations.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:50 No.3152639

    This. Just a voice singing it, and it always sounds like it comes from a bit away, and you never find where it comes from.
    >> sofacoin !YtEoORGvq6 12/11/08(Thu)08:51 No.3152645
    Sleep well, man.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 12/11/08(Thu)08:52 No.3152650

    Or, maybe, after half the campaign with it playing, you find out it's coming from INSIDE THE CHARACTER'S HEADS. As in, put your ear to their ear and you can hea it too.

    Not as durably creepy, but well worth it if it gets the due panic.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)08:53 No.3152651

    Night. To add to the point: Using children will also IMMIDIATELY tell everyone they're going to die, because everyone knows this joke already. In reality, no bond will be formed, no emotions will be evoked, no nothing. They know that the kid will either turn into a zombie or blow up or melt or some shit like that.

    Doing nasty shit with adults, on the other hand, is much less usual in a way. Or at least it makes it less unpredictable if nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:54 No.3152656
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    What a tweest!
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:56 No.3152659

    Same with dead pregnant women. It's always assumed the fetus will emerge and be a zombie or robot or something.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)08:59 No.3152671
    I love this thread because it's shown once again that the denizens of /tg/ love Phyrexia as much as I do.

    I'm all for the whole "Sleeper Agent Build-up" scenario myself. If you can get the PC's to start doubting each other as well that'd be awesome, remember there are certain types of Phyrexian Sleeper Agents who don't even know they're Sleeper Agents.
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)09:00 No.3152673

    Or the only survivor. Anything you'd rather not see horribly maimed and is found in the most gruesome scene imaginable.
    Animals are usually exempt, though, use them.
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    >If you can get the PC's to start doubting each other as well that'd be awesome, remember there are certain types of Phyrexian Sleeper Agents who don't even know they're Sleeper Agents.
    >> Prophet of Killogram !!UN/8XlZaOkl 12/11/08(Thu)09:01 No.3152679
    rolled 87 = 87

    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:02 No.3152681

    >only survivor

    Ok, so let's invent that trope... Imagine if they come upon an entire village that was destroyed by the Phyrexian advance troops, but all the inhabitants are all still alive. Turns out they've been operated on by the Phyrexians, but not all of them are aware of it, not all of them are sleeper agents (some are just failed experiments), and not all are insane. Now the PC's have to deal with that clusterfuck. Kill them or not?
    >> Masterwork Bastard !DOD3/eopFI 12/11/08(Thu)09:05 No.3152688

    That works. It's not some poorly hidden thing, it's an obvious one. Takes the scary out of it, but presents the players with different kind of problems altogether.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:05 No.3152689
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    Onean children's rhyme I believe.

    90% Black
    9% Blue
    1% White
    100% Awesome.

    That's 200% motherfucker.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:07 No.3152694
    I really hope your players don't browse /tg/, OP. Or they will see the twist coming from miles away.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:12 No.3152706
    I hope you give one of the PCs the spark
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    Some of the Cryx stuff in the Iron Kingdoms setting may prove useful for stating out Phryexian troops.
    >> Arcbound 12/11/08(Thu)09:13 No.3152711
    How would THAT work?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:18 No.3152719

    they'd be like "OMG I HAVE TO IGNITE" and do all sorts of dumb or possibly epic stuff
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:18 No.3152720

    Perhaps its a nascent spark, one which wouldn't usually awaken, and Yawgmoth is thinking of using a method like Memnarch attempted, to steal another's spark and take it into yourself. Then again, a PC who is told "You have the potential to gain godlike power, and an evil god wants to steal it" is probably gonna shit brix
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:23 No.3152735

    I'm planning on using a set of Cryx Mini's to represent various forms of Phyrexians on the tabletop, and i'll certainly look into the IK rules. i'm sure they'll be useful.
    >> Arcbound 12/11/08(Thu)09:26 No.3152737
    And here I was just worried they'd be overpowered little bastards...
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)09:57 No.3152798

    You'd never let the gain access to the spark powers in game. if they did, they're character becomes an NPC god, and they roll a new character. a Planeswalker in an otherwise mundane party would never work. (Note- Planescrawlers are not freaking planeswalkers)
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)10:12 No.3152845
    So time spiral is no longer canon? sweet
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)12:48 No.3153414
    Why have people missed the obvious? Start with a plague.
    >> red black spiderman !!gmZ7B9l1yE+ 12/11/08(Thu)13:02 No.3153453
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    People are simply born with a spark.

    And they don't know if they have one until it ignites.

    Unless fluff has changed.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)13:03 No.3153458
    This idea seems awesome. I never played MtG, but I would definitely consider a Phryexia campaign. Where could I read up on my fluff?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)13:10 No.3153487
    Aside from wikipedia, you could read the novels. I'm sure there on a torrent somewhere.
    I recognize three of those four cards. I can't tell what the lower-left one is. Yes, yes, I fail, I know. What is it?
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)13:19 No.3153528


    is a good place to start. I'd recommend the books, although there's rather a lot of them. The invasion trilogy are the ones I'm most familiar with, and are very good, although they represent the end of the involvement of Phyrexians with the MTG storyline.
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    And it's such an awesome card, too. Shame on you.
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)17:58 No.3154769
    Bump for rule of cool
    >> Anonymous 12/11/08(Thu)19:54 No.3155535

    What is this image? I don't recognize it, but it looks very cool.

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