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    47 KB RubyQuest Discussion Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:20 No.3332798  
    Continuance of >>3330682, as it's in autosage mode.

    Theory: The Metal Glen is/was a facility dedicated to genetic modification in the hopes of curing otherwise incurable diseases (Ruby's biosheet mentions her being blind prior to volunteering for The Metal Glen, current theory is that Tom is in it for Muscular Dystrophy, as his MANLY PHYSIQUE seems a bit recent. Red, maybe it was for polio, or some sort of issue with his legs due to his possession of a cane at a relatively early age [Weaver has stated that Red is the same age as Tom and Ruby]).
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:20 No.3332803
    Jesus fucking Christ.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:22 No.3332819
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:23 No.3332825
    Other possibilities: Tom was a double amputee, Stitches had some blood disorder or leprosy, Red stole the cane from a blind Ruby and had some problem with his mouth
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:25 No.3332834
    Working on a computer game of Ruby Quest. Do people want me to have voices, or is it better just silent with text so you can use good old imagination?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:26 No.3332844
    What, suddenly 4chan isn't allowed to comment on sad as shit retards?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:26 No.3332845

    Text would be best imo, as that is all we see of the characters now.

    Anyway, the characters never really talk, we just know what they say.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:26 No.3332850
    Well, the one thing that's obvious is that the "zombies" are neither inherently hostile nor evil.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:27 No.3332853
    Go with text
    >> Badger 01/06/09(Tue)19:27 No.3332854
    Also speculating that death is a pre-req for mutation.

    That being said, Stitches is 100% reanimated. Ruby is designated as being dead in records, and the probable murder was seen by all of us.
    Tom went 3 days without the cure for arsenic poisoning (presumed) so it is highly likely that he died. the first contact ruby has with tom after his presumed death, she saw him with 4 arms.
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    New batch.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:27 No.3332859

    Silent with text. And I hope you spend a lot of work on interactable objects and situations with multiple solutions.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:27 No.3332860
    It is very rare for actual dialogue to be used in Ruby Quest.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:28 No.3332866

    1: Silent, it's much stronger that way. Plus I don't mean to be cruel, but I doubt you would find voice actors that would do it justice.

    2: remember to create multiple ways to get through puzzles, as many as you can...and make death a real possibility

    3: that is fucking awsome
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:30 No.3332885
    Yes, yes I will. It's not like it's hard to have floating variables to see if you did certain things and send you down certain paths/room modifiers.

    Yeah I thought text would be the general concensus; but in game I won't be using narative interpretation other than to explain room elements like weaver did. When Weaver says "Ruby asks X about Y" or "Ruby says hello to X", I will be using basic dialog.

    Like when Tom refers to his Opus; I feel that there is more charm to him refering to it as his opus, waiting a beat, and then explaining its name.
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:31 No.3332893
    What is the current theory on the more supernatural elements, like the split room where space doesn't quite work like it should?
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    >> Kash !gI1GvxqNys 01/06/09(Tue)19:32 No.3332896
    fucking amazing

    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:32 No.3332899
    TT water cooler is TT
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:33 No.3332907
    So what is all this RubyQuest stuff supposed to be about?
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:33 No.3332917
    The facility may be dabbling with things-not-of-this-world in order to induce these genetic changes/resurrections?

    That jade fetus looked especially unearthly.
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    this one is self-explainatory
    >> Badger 01/06/09(Tue)19:35 No.3332936

    the jade foetus looked positively Cthulhu
    >> Corgi !FPsBQ4g0FM 01/06/09(Tue)19:36 No.3332949
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    Just throwing this up here... worked too damn long on it, but I like it.
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    The staircase is in the same direction as the vent in the vacuum tube room.
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    4th wall of vacuum tube room, and bottom wall of medication room and storeroom (BEHIND VENDING MACHINE) are facing the same direction as the exit from the prison room, where Ace came from.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:38 No.3332972
    1: I wholeheartedly agree, but as the target is 4chan, I didn't know if you're all fucktards or not. I do have access to "good enough" voice actors, but that doesn't mean anything really. Everyone envisions things differently which is why I included "good old imagination" to show my preference to that. It's like anything silent, you throw in your own personality choices to the voice, and if you see someone elses interpretation, it can just be painful. I live with a good voice actor who can do a range despite not being American, she's a furfag amusingly enough. Though I admit I don't think I'd be able to resist being a douche and getting this guy I know with an insanely thick scottish accent to be Tom due to his MANLY PHYSIQUE...

    2: Surprised people think I'd need reminding; though I'll be consulting with Weaver for most of it, I'm just going to do script work. If he wants no part in it then I'll just do it my own way. Death will be viable but I'll probably go gentle (like weaver avoiding us grabbing exposed wires) up until the first zombie, to keep with the initial "Eerie but not threatening" feeling we got up until ZOMBIE APPEARS. I'll make sure to disable saves on those events, so people don't save after they've left it too long to escape.

    3: Yay for Weaver. Oh and once again to the guy doing the 3d renders.
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    Just an overview
    >> Badger 01/06/09(Tue)19:41 No.3332988

    what about the big blue tube?
    >> Drawde 01/06/09(Tue)19:43 No.3333007
    >and make death a real possibility
    As someone coming from Monkey Island... this makes me grimace.

    Also, once again, nice renders.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:43 No.3333008
    Can I get a link to the archive site so I can finally get around to reading this whole Ruby thing?
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    Now this one is interesting. Seems Weaver messed up his noneuclidean a bit.

    You enter the "twisted side" of brig -descending- a ladder. You reach the plank-covered FLOOR (from your perspective). Then you remove the planks and continue DESCENDING, and then you suddenly ASCEND out of the medical exam room's floor.

    Meaning somewhere between the brig and the med room you actually experience gravity turning 180 degrees.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:45 No.3333030

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    And here's the big blue tube.
    If it still exists (the room has collapsed), it leads to one of these.

    OTOH, all the debris got there from SOMEWHERE. The med room is "above" the noneuclidean side of the brig (maybe), so it might have been unaffected. The other room, with the pipe... *shrug*
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:46 No.3333034
    As long as you only mean Monkey Island 1 and 2.

    I'll be including death, because it's the nature of the subject. Monkey Island was a lolfest of awesome, this is a thriller/horror. Death will happen, you will get pissed off you didn't save, maybe you'll use a different route.

    Maybe there will be background timers to change sequences of events.
    >> Badger 01/06/09(Tue)19:46 No.3333035

    that might be intended, who knows.
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    To Be Continued.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)19:46 No.3333040
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    Weaver: "Did I hear you right? You want to SMASH the glass jar even with the warning right there?


    Mind you, unless he gets completely destroyed in the attack (such as being blown up like Red) I still get the feeling Weaver will have him resurrected (like Ruby/Stitches) either in the coffin or somewhere else and have them both end up on opposite sides (working for Ace?)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:47 No.3333045
    Hey, all fans of Ruby Quest!


    go here and vote for all the threads, lets keep the whole thing legendary.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:48 No.3333049
    its intended he remarks about feeling the twist in gravity as he comes up through the hatch he went down
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:51 No.3333071
    'lol upvote mah shit gaiz'

    This cancer in /tg/ just got terminal.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:53 No.3333089
    also, the vacuum pipe doesn't continue upwards.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:53 No.3333092
    Due to Tom's SHUDDER OF MANLINESS, I think he was either an amputee or something similar, being very weak before and really enjoying the smashy now.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:55 No.3333111

    hell the room tom went DOWN to ended up on the same level as the room ruby went UP to.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:55 No.3333115
    That's why I first put forward muscular dystrophy. It was a big "so this is what powerful arms are for." If he was an amputee, I don't think his first reaction would be to make statues if he were bored, you know?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:56 No.3333119
    Why didn't you sage?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)19:58 No.3333136
    The SketchUp source of the new version of the 3D map.
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    "Come with me, and you'll see just how far the rabbit hole goes..."
    >> Spoilers Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:02 No.3333159
    Junkotron 9000
    Elemental Plane of Teeth
    Fuck You physics
    Smash Bro
    How to Floss an Elemental Plane of Teeth
    Fuck You Euclid
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:03 No.3333163
    Maybe he liked sculpting before the amputation?
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:15 No.3333222
    I'll head down that rabbit hole, if you catch my drift
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:15 No.3333224
    Not a shop, check the archived thread on suptg if you don't believe.

    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:19 No.3333250
    You people whine too much. When there is one to three people complaining about something everyone else manages to either enjoy or ignore, then you should realize you're in the wrong and STFU already.

    But you still haven't told me WHERE it goes! D=
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)20:25 No.3333290

    Double-entendre aside I wonder who the other prisoners/visitors were, Red and Tom obviously weren't the only ones. I suppose the person that wrote that particular message decided to stay put.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:27 No.3333312

    Thus far, RubyQuest has had moments of awesomeness and of humour. In part, the contrast they provide is what makes the horror moments so... horrific. A few Threepwoodian comments and go-nowhere but humorous exchanges aren't going to throw off the theme, if they're done right.

    In regards talking; using imagination rather than recorded voices is good, but you know, actual dialogue ("I am getting very tired of you asking me so many questions..." as opposed to "Red says he is getting very tired of you asking him questions") will also have its own "voice" in the way that it's written. Text can convey emotion (Such as s-s-stammering!?) in its limited way, so, a little thought will have to be put into that.

    For example, it'd be easy to make Ruby "sound" nervous, but for the most part I think she copes by trying not to think about her situation, so that may not be the case. But, of course, you can ask Weaver for advice.
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    >I will be using basic dialog.

    I've been playing around with a little writefagging to see if I could accurately translate the mood of the setting into prose. It's a bit awkward, but it seems to me like it works best with limited dialogue, especially on the part of Ruby (I settled on third-person subjective for at least the early scenes). Inventing dialogue would change the tone a good deal.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:32 No.3333338

    One way of getting cheap (nervous) laughs is to throw in one or two references that people are likely to get (Weaver already did this with Tom's "You got the CROWBAR!" pose), such as putting a "three-headed monkey" on a list of test subjects, or when you examine certain objects ("It is a picture of a dragon with one wing. For some reason, it makes you feel angry."). You just need to avoid overdoing it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:35 No.3333357
    Hey what do you think would've happened if Ruby pressed the Green or Blue button while in her 'coffin'? Death?

    And what about the button that corresponded with the skull in Tom's cell? Were these two mystery buttons designed as some sort of termination?

    They would exist as a last resort perhaps if the occupants were losing control of themselves and wanted to end their tortured existence perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:35 No.3333358

    It needs to be almost entirely silent. No talking. No music.


    Sound effects should me maintained. Red's laugh should be maintained. Otherwise, rely on the silence to build the OMG IM AFRAID.
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:37 No.3333372
    If there's suggestions being taken for the game, how about a very basic Sanity system? Nothing complex, just a hidden number that goes down (or occasionally up) when you see or do certain things, and the addition of a few small details (such as the moving eye, the blood on the walls, the always-facing-you dummy) when you go below a certain amount.

    This could also be the basis of a form of scoring/reward system, encouraging players to seek out minor cutscenes to drive Ruby's Sanity down and, in so doing, get to see "hidden" content.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:37 No.3333373
    Steps. Many steps.

    ...I wonder how doable would it be in 3D. The scenery is already done :)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:39 No.3333381
    I love how this is bringing the furries to /tg/. Go to any of their sites, and see the buzz.

    Least they're being quiet for the most part, and the non-pornographers will start doing the best fanart.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)20:40 No.3333385

    I feel like playing Eternal Darkness again.

    Perhaps minor sanity increases could include choosing to hug Tom and having that bottle of Champagne with him after all.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:41 No.3333394

    Silence is good. Sound effects, though, sound effects are important. Hidden clatterings, footsteps. Maybe static or vague "voices in my head" chatter when things are getting particularly mindbending. Also, when things are really on the edge, such as when Ruby was crawling back towards Tom with the antidote, it's hard to wrong with a heartbeat.

    Hard, but not impossible. Take care with sound.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:41 No.3333396

    I agree, almost.

    Not complete silence. Just the barely-perceptible ambient hum of the air conditioning.
    >> Drawde 01/06/09(Tue)20:44 No.3333411
    >Red's laugh should be maintained
    Take a sample of Kefka's laugh and run it through a few filters until it sounds both foxlike and evil.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:44 No.3333417
    I assure you the furries are not being quiet.

    They just aren't being obnoxious. Too much porn would destroy Ruby. It's too awesome to be destroyed.

    hugging Tom in order to restore SAN?
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)20:47 No.3333437
    Before or after you know he has 6 limbs?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:49 No.3333458
    Not always.
    Depending on location.

    Coffin: silence, then breath.
    Brig: total silence, booming steps.
    Red's hideout: hum of mainframe fans.
    Cafe: the dispenser refrigerator switching on.

    Also, slithering.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:50 No.3333464
    voice acting is usually pretty hit-or-miss, so I would suggest against it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:51 No.3333477

    Also, make sure the SFX are good. Not shitty LOL FREE SAMPLE SOUNDS FROM THE INTERBUTTS. Rehashed interbutt sounds always sound fucking terrible and will kill everything.

    And yeah, remember, with creepy sound, less is more. Always.

    That's true for just about everything creepy though. Letting the imagination run wild is far superior to anything else.
    >> Sommunist !CvgOA2wCo2 01/06/09(Tue)20:51 No.3333482
    When he has 6 limbs, you have 3 eyes, so I'd say it still helps.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)20:53 No.3333497
    Of course! Twice as much, for twice as much hugging!
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    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:00 No.3333558
    ...and your monstrosity is directly connected with sanity.

    Teeth Count.
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    ...Wait a minute.

    Ruby was in the facility because she was blind. Supposedly from birth. The medical reports about her death confirm that she was blind when she was "killed."

    So how could she remember seeing Ace placing her into the coffin?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:04 No.3333600
    Repeated blows to head cured blindness? It'd be an interesting theory.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:04 No.3333602
    that's a camera, dummy!
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:05 No.3333610

    Presumably, that's what the facility was trying to do to her and the treatment started kicking in when she was getting stuffed in the locker.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:07 No.3333634

    Ruby started the adventure in the coffin, so it's very recent. That could well have been after horrible experiments/beginnings of mutation, so it's feasible for her to have been able to see then.

    It'd suck for her if being stuck in a coffin was the first thing she ever saw. But, then, if that were the case, she'd be all "woah what the hell? What is this? This is... purple, you say!? Omigod that's awesome."
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:08 No.3333640
    Or Ace administered the treatment and falsified reports of her death, for either good or nefarious reasons.

    We really don't know if Ace is a good guy or bad guy yet.
    >> Drawde 01/06/09(Tue)21:08 No.3333642
    >This could also be the basis of a form of scoring/reward system
    Look into the Indiana Jones adventure games.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:09 No.3333651
    unless she has no memory of past.
    Including being blind.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:09 No.3333654
    It would certainly explain why her memories of her past life are so fuzzy. But it doesn't explain how she knew what pajamas looked like.
    >> Major Maxillary !!eorO1kqUwyR 01/06/09(Tue)21:10 No.3333661

    I could probably help out with the laugh.

    folks tell me that I creep them out when I smile and laugh.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:10 No.3333663
    an interesting thought. How can she read anything but Braile?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:11 No.3333673
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:12 No.3333677

    >Or Ace administered the treatment and falsified reports of her death, for either good or nefarious reasons.

    Regardless of whether he falsified her death reports or not, the first thing that we know she saw was Ace sticking her in the locker.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:12 No.3333687
    He seems to me to be the guy who built The Metal Glen which seems to be a place trying to cure the uncurable. This leads me to believe he is very much a good guy, but maybe got obsessed with trying to save everyone and created the zombie/mutation virus thingy.
    >> Drawde 01/06/09(Tue)21:12 No.3333688
    You know, if you people are going with time travel or intersection, this could be a 'timeline' where Ruby was in the box, and that's what she saw.
    Actually, Weaver DID mention liking Hypercube.
    (Can't speak for the man's taste in movies. At least he can make a pretty good story)

    Also... she's smoking.
    Or stinky.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:15 No.3333705
    Well, she's not blind anymore, but we don't really know how long it's been since she was blind. It's possible that she stayed at the Metal Glen for a while after she gained sight for observation purposes, and wasn't killed until later.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:17 No.3333728

    Accident report on 10/29 specifically mentions her blindness.
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    But...A blind person wouldn't be able to identify colours, you can't describe purple to someone without a visual aid really, can you?

    And if they were the first things she ever saw, she would have a much more 'explosive' reaction to seeing stuff for the first time.


    <----- Can we tell whether she is blind or not in this picture?

    She may have already been 'cured' and taught basic reading or other stuff. The pyjamas may have come from the memory of wearing them, albeit a brief flashing memory.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:20 No.3333749
    I'm still completely convinced that Ruby will die, and soon.

    There is no need for us to have two PCs for the purpose of solving things, since we had the same thing already with Tom's semi-controllable behaviour, and with the radios Ruby can always give instructions. The only functional reason to have him be a PC is because having a PC is neccesary at all times. The only reason for that is in the case of Ruby becoming unusable. Since the last time that happened temporarily Tom did not become a direct-control PC, the change to happen must be permanent. The only permanent chances at change here are escape, which it is too early for, death, and full mutation with loss of control which is death with side effects.

    This is also the one thing nobody has ever thought would actually happen, even though it's the driving force behind the game, and Weaver has been all about trying to do what nobody really expected.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:20 No.3333750
    Who said she HAS read anything? Its always been us reading things and telling her what to do.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:22 No.3333765
    So it does.

    But the same report mentions a "fatal accident", not a murder.

    ...maybe Ruby died twice?
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:24 No.3333783

    Because we've been all EXAMINE SHIT and she has EXAMINED SHIT WITH WRITING which requires competence in the READING SHIT skill.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:25 No.3333795

    'Sup bro, wanna help me kill off Tom or Ruby next time?


    >"fatal accident"

    Cover up related I'm betting, Ace needs/wants them, Red was either onto him or became a nuisance (or both)
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:25 No.3333799
    >I'm still completely convinced that Ruby will die, and soon.

    I don't agree. Tom is more likely to die, not only because of his d'awww factor, but also because this is RUBYquest. Weaver even revealed that he had a death scenario for Tom planned in case we had broken the embryo case.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:26 No.3333807

    This, Tom can be expendable, if Ruby dies, it will be at the end.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:26 No.3333811

    Tom is probably going to die because a few shitheads are going to spam the threads with suggestions designed to get him killed. They have stated as much.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:28 No.3333827
    And I believe Weaver will allow us to kill either of the two.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:28 No.3333830

    Oh come on, I was only joking...

    Besides, Weaver mentioned in Irc that he would post up the alternate realities after we finish. I want to see some more grisly deaths.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:28 No.3333831
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    Wait a minute.

    Four arms.

    Really manly?

    Awesomeness localized around his being!?

    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:29 No.3333840
    actually, 4-handed porn in 3...2...1...
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:30 No.3333842

    I figured that YOU were.

    That doesn't mean that there aren't going to be assholes out to ruin it for everyone.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:30 No.3333845
    Tom could have died just as easily as a pseudoPC, and it takes an asshole to make someone a PC specifically for the purpose of killing them.

    Besides, even now you're trusting in Narrativium Armour to save her. What better to do that get through the one thing that you knwo for a fact can't happen.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:31 No.3333853
    If Tom dies because of a stupid suggestion, the resulting shitstorm will be of incredible magnitude.

    Especially since the major fans of Ruby Quest are the ones who actually follow Weaver's directives to not fucking spam suggestions. The fury in IRC at all the READ THE NOTE READ THE NOTE PICK UP ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PICKED UP BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THE WHOLE THREAD herpaderp during the last thread was monumental.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:31 No.3333854
    and I still wonder how we were supposed to survive the gas.
    Throw acid at panel?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:31 No.3333857
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:32 No.3333862

    Well hopefully Weaver will still pick majority rather than first come first serve, even if a few guys spam bad ideas the serious ones should still stand out.

    How did you guess I was joking??
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:34 No.3333876

    Because you've been chillin' in the IRC and already knew Weaver was planning to post the BAD ENDS at some point if we managed to avoid them.

    At least, I ASSUME that you are who I think you are in there.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:34 No.3333877
    Heh. I expect worse.
    You face the exit. You can press a button and step outside. But you know you are infected and not only nothing will save you, you will infect the whole world.

    Alternatively, one of the characters must give their life to save the other. And it will be Ruby who does it.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:40 No.3333911

    Oh yeah, I asked the question didn't I..

    On an unrelated note, do the casts costumes (or lack of) bear any significance? Does Red's snappy suit put him into a previous administration role? Or Aces large bulky outfit make him the security around here?

    I mean, it's not everyday you find someone in a suit in an underwater facility.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:42 No.3333922

    I believe Red had some sort of staff role as his handprint was recognized by the scanner. It isn't confirmation, but it certainly implies that he had some level of authority.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:43 No.3333930

    Not neccesarily, the infection may not work that way. From what we can tell, the damage to Ruby only caused the mutation because of a preexisting condition.

    Besides, if it does come down to only one can leave, then neither of them will want to be the one to do it, and Ruby lacks the physical strength to force Tom to leave, whereas he does not. Her only alternative would be to try and knock him out, leading to a fight between the two for the right to force the other to live. Eventually Ruby scores a solid blow, mostly by luck, and knocks Tom to the ground. She goes to grab him. Except, he's dead. One of the often-overlooked potential outcomes of hitting someone on the head. Now she has to leave the facility with the knowledge that she killed the person without whom she never could have left, and can't stay without rendering Tom's death meaningless.

    If there was an AMBIVALENT END that would be it.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:43 No.3333933
    My guess is that Red was an administrator or something before everything went to hell. Not only did the hand scanner take his print, he clearly know his way around the place, and both knew and hated Ace.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:45 No.3333945
    Now that I think about it, the bludgeoning shovelcane would probably be awkward to use.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:47 No.3333954
    >He shook his chain with all his rage
    >And flew in anger 'round his cage
    >Decrying this dark mournful stage
    >And the hare stood up as well.
    >With passion did she then respond,
    >She chewed her ropes and broke her bonds,
    >And freed the cat, they ran beyond,
    >They ran to flee that hell.

    >And what became of cat and hare?
    >Did they break free to purer air?
    >To guess their fate we shouldn't dare
    >Perhaps their tale closed well.
    >But for all the beasts trapped in the Nether
    >All life from out the loch and heather
    >The flock that could not work together
    >Are sure still trapped in Hell.

    Even if Ruby and Tom both survive, we can be pretty sure that no-one else is going to get a GOOD END.

    I'm betting we'll see Stitches sacrifice himself in some way, maybe by transforming into a monster in order to fight something else to help Tom and Ruby.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:48 No.3333957

    Not really. Have you ever used that sort of cane in a fight? All you need to do is hold the curved end, and use that to swing it around to build up momentum and strike. With a shovel on the end you're adding to the bludgeoning power with the short end, and if the shovel is sharp (if not you can sharped it on the walls) you can use it as a slashing weapon. It's like a less useful trenching tool, which is to say very useful.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:50 No.3333969
    Red was staff and suddenly became a patient
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:51 No.3333977

    I wonder if they infect all their staff (on purpose?), Red's gaping maw didn't look natural to me. I doubt he would voluntarily want the infection either, he did blow himself up/impale himself after all, "never catch me" implying that the explosion would prevent some sort of regeneration?

    Wait...Does that mean Ace has something up his sleeve we don't know about? What sort of mutation would a birdman acquire?
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:51 No.3333981

    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:52 No.3333997

    How many cane fights have you gotten into?
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)21:53 No.3334006

    Perhaps some "accident" affected all the staff, as well as all the subjects. The infection drove Red, formerly an administrator of some sort, insane and he went on a murderous rampage.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)21:54 No.3334012

    Experimenting on the staff of a secret and illegal facility is te easy choice once you run out of actual subjects is the common thing to do. They've made arrangements already to conceal their disappearance, and should they escape, they can't tell anybody about the facility without having to reveal their role in it.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)21:57 No.3334040

    So perhaps Ace needs the help of the other 2 'sane' patients to escape the facility? Unlike Red who pretty much gave up (You found him relaxing and relatively care-free, he expressed boredom and even helped you) Ace kept Ruby alive for a reason?
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)22:01 No.3334083

    Two, but one was consensual and because I wanted to see how it would work as a weapon.


    Ace has some motivation in keeping Ruby from the notice of the surviving staff, if any. That would suggest to me he needs her for some reason. The most plausible scenario is that he wants to keep her alive to help him leave, since all the others have some problem.
    >> ShinyZangoose 01/06/09(Tue)22:04 No.3334109

    Well I guess we can safely strike out Ace attacking Ruby in the next episode, probably gonna be more discussan' gaems, until he gets tired of us asking questions and leaves.

    That or he'll have a go at Tom.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)22:30 No.3334343

    Honestly? I wouldn't strike it out. We still don't know if this is the same Ace from the video/documents or some sort of bizarre robot ace-copy. I'd certainly prefer not to risk getting attacked out of some ill-founded hubris.
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)23:10 No.3334730
    >> Anonymous 01/06/09(Tue)23:26 No.3334884
    Ace had ample time to attack ruby or tom in the bomb room, for some reason he just started to take red's body. what the hell was that all about?
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/06/09(Tue)23:29 No.3334912
    The general consensus is that he was taking his body for examination and reanimation.

    Ace is known to be a part of the staff, and Red is potentially a part of the experiment, so it's hardly an audacious claim.
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:18 No.3335278
    Spade is NOT known to be part of the staff. it was never stated anywhere that he was.

    if it has a spade on its shirt and signs its name with spade, it's name is spade. i can't remember if weaver said he intended ace to be the thing's name or not. spade is cooler anyway.
    spade was here
    ace is gay
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)00:20 No.3335290

    >>Hey guys, just because there's a blatantly obvious connection between every single other character seen so far and that can apply flawlessly to this one and that also happens to bring up a secondary connection as well doesn't mean we can't completely ignore it.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:23 No.3335306
    From Weaver:
    >>No, you're wrong.
    Ace was always Ace. Stitches was always Stitches. It was merely a fortunate coincidence in my favor people took to calling him that without any provocation.

    The Animal Crossing connection IS intentional, though beyond appearance/species and name, there's nothing really to it.
    It's nothing more than a reference, a tip of the hat, but it's certainly intentional.
    You're wrong.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:24 No.3335311
    my point is:

    did a cause b
    did b cause a

    i know weaver said one or the other. i can't remember which.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:29 No.3335340
    >Lack of punctuation and proper capitalization.
    >Total disregard for grammar.
    >Stubborn to a fault, insisting that his/her view is the only correct one.

    My my my, look what we have here. A troll.

    Seriously, the characters are based off of Animal Crossing characters and, though I know I won't convince you, the game was originally written in japanese. It's not hard to believe that they'd get the wrong word for something that their culture does not have. Such as calling the symbol for the spade suit of cards 'ace'.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:31 No.3335345
    thank you.

    it's still unclear if ace is part of the staff. unless i'm missing something. we have very little knowledge to work with so my theories are very conservative. i don't trust that diagram of the metal glen.

    does having very twice in the same sentence or having two of the same word stacked on top of eachother bother anyone else? i've got ocd probably.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)00:32 No.3335354

    He signed or even authored a report on the subjects. That's the sort of thing that people who are staff tend to do, and people who are not tend not to do.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:36 No.3335369
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    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)00:36 No.3335370

    For possibly the thirty second time, irc.rizon.net

    /join #rubyquest
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:40 No.3335398
    i admit i failed pretty hard there. forgot about that whole note thing. i do like spade better, but ace is the official name so i'm going with it.

    capital letters, grammer, and spelling do not a wise man make.
    i'm lazy
    it is still comunication as long as both parties understand what is being said.
    not a troll.
    hate troll.
    might troll unintentionally.
    socialy inept.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:40 No.3335400

    Make a navi type character who keeps saying contradictory (And occassionally sexual) things.
    >> Squeegy 01/07/09(Wed)00:40 No.3335406

    I blame the /furi/s and their lot for shitting up the last part.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)00:44 No.3335420

    Failing to use the english language correctly is a clear indication that you are either unintelligent to the extent that communicating in your own language is difficult for you despite many years of schooling, ignorant and deliberately avoiding anything that would change this, or so appallingly self-important that you consider the precious fraction of a second and tenth of a calorie saved in not pressing the shift key to be worth the much greater time it takes everyone else you read your less-decipherable text and that you simultaneously care so little for others that you don't care that the exchange for this time and energy is that everybody now considers you an idiot, making you a hypocrite as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:47 No.3335438
    Just remember that when you point out someone's grammar issues, you must make sure to make your OWN post as correct as possible. Such as, for example, a run-on sentence.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:48 No.3335446
    Dude. Neither you nor anyone else warrents capitolizing his characters or using proper grammer if he so chooses on this board. We're not that fucking important, and if he probably understands that typing without proper whatever can have the detramental effect of people not taking you seriously. Or if he doesn't he doesn't care. Stop being a jackass and let it go.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:50 No.3335460
    i'm fine with that then. have a nice day.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)00:59 No.3335520
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)01:01 No.3335537


    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)01:09 No.3335609
    That's an interesting thing to say.
    /tg/ has been relatively cancer-free until morons from /b/ crashed the party.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)01:11 No.3335619
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)01:46 No.3335917
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    Fuck yeah, extra hands!
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:09 No.3336105
    I declare this image to be made of Win.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:29 No.3336249
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    I'll digitally paint this later.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:30 No.3336258
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    But for now, here's some quick colours.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:32 No.3336264

    With all our hugs, how did we not notice Tom packing something extra?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:33 No.3336269
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:42 No.3336312
    So Tom is Big Boss now.

    I'm sure his tiny vestigial arms will help in CQC somehow.
    >> Bard 01/07/09(Wed)02:42 No.3336313
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    I helped make something! And I suck at drawing!
    >> The Laziest Troll 01/07/09(Wed)02:47 No.3336337
    I haven't really been following up with the discussion threads, but I noticed that on the diagram of the facility, it said that it was by W. Murdoch.
    And, if I remember correctly, some people said the poem was by a William Murdoch.

    Has there been any connections?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:48 No.3336342
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:48 No.3336346
    If Tom's Big Boss, would that make Ruby the Boss/The Joy...?

    Oh lawd. The implications... they are mind boggling.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)02:54 No.3336370

    Still looks more like a tiny baguette.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:54 No.3336372
    I find myself too lazy to read through the speculation threads, since I just got on, so I have to wonder... doesn't it seem like Red killed Ruby because she discovered what's in that box? The do not open sticker came only after she was dead, of course, but still...
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:58 No.3336381

    Mr. Weaver decided to add that in.

    Apparently, William Murdoch(Engineer) invented the pneumatic tube message delivery system. Much like the one that we send the hand up with.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:58 No.3336383
    Everyone's too quick to jump on this "RUBY IS DEAD" theory.

    She was officially declared dead, but by who? Ace.
    Same person who found her after she was attacked by Red, and we know she was alive then.
    Ace found her, Ace brought her to the operating table, Ace treated her, Ace claimed she didn't make it.
    Ten bucks says Ace was the one to declare Stitches "dead", too.

    Everyone's too quick to assume there's truth in this. Ace seems undeniably threatening and hostile, hell, Ruby said she can feel that much.

    I think Ruby (and Stitches) never really died. Whether Ace was a doctor of some esteem who got obsessed with his own experiments or just a lower-level orderly who turned MAD DOCTOR, he's started pronouncing injured people dead so he can safely haul them off to his secret lab with no questions asked, and without interference, experiment on them to his heart's content.
    Ruby's head trauma, drugs, and experimentation could explain her disorientation, amnesia, even her "visions" (which could really just be MEMORIES, e.g. the vision of her corpse is a flashback to when she had a near-death experience trapped in the box after Red assaulted her).
    Ace is using this facility to play God.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)02:58 No.3336384

    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)02:59 No.3336388
    Not unless you're going in-line with the clone theory, and that she came across "her" own dessicated corpse.

    Which I doubt.
    >> The Laziest Troll 01/07/09(Wed)03:00 No.3336391
    Yeah, wiki'd that, and learned something. Thanks for confirming it though. :3 (Damn it, Weaver, I only want to learn at school! Not while I'm on the internet!)

    So, are we still assuming that Weaver wrote the poem?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:01 No.3336393
    Recurring death has also become an element of the story. Perhaps a side effect of the mutagen, but it's possible that Tom has already died of the arsenic poisoning, and Stitches has most certainly died over and over. Expect to see Red again, says moi.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:03 No.3336404

    There is a pic of IRC chat somewhere, weaver admits to writing it.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:03 No.3336409

    Weaver confessed to writing the poem, yes.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)03:07 No.3336418

    If she isn't dead, then she is vital to the plans of Ace for him to go to the effort of faking a massive head injury to the extent that his supervisors, presumably at least one of whom is a medical professional, were incapable of determining otherwise. If this is the case, I would have expected him to be more actively helpful from the start.

    Instead, his actions are more in line with someone who has seen a potential use for a person and would prefer to see that come to fruition. Where Ruby vital to his plans, I doubt he would have so blithely allow her to be exposed to so much harm given that there is no way they could be even reasonably certain that reanimation would be successful.


    Assuming, of course, that he is useful to Ace's plans. Presumably he or his body are, given he retrieved the body, but I doubt he wants Red alive given that Red earlier tried to kill her and he saw fit to prevent her death.
    >> The Laziest Troll 01/07/09(Wed)03:08 No.3336421
    Oh okay. That's good to know.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:20 No.3336496
    >it's possible that Tom has already died of the arsenic poisoning
    The three-day gap of lost time came AFTER Tom drank the antidote. When he got it he was clearly still sick, but Ruby whited out three days after he drank it, not before.

    >Stitches has most certainly died over and over.
    We don't know the true nature of Ace's experiments. He appeared zombie-like at first, but it's possible he was just highly mutated and still alive. Same is true for the second and third times we saw him, especially because there are bodily consistencies between each 'version', like the headwound and the ears being cut off, then re-appearing stitched back on.
    We can't know for sure that Stitches EVER really died. After all, he disappeared before Ruby blacked out the first time, didn't he?

    >Expect to see Red again, says moi.
    Red (and possibly the hound zombie, who vaporized) are the only ones we can say with any certainty are dead. The extent of the experiments can vary, but stakes through the BRAIN and a point-blank bomb blast are hard to live through for anything. I think Red's entire suicide was meant to ensure his own death beyond any doubt.

    >If she isn't dead, then she is vital to the plans of Ace
    Maybe he just wants to get his favorite little experiment back.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:24 No.3336527
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    It's pretty evident NOW that Red is not the BBEG. He had some sort of possibly-evil, third-party motive. Lots is yet unknown about him but he's certainly not the one in charge.

    Ace, on the other hand, seems pretty definitively evil. Ruby said she has the distinct impression he's not friendly.

    So here's the real question now:
    Is Ace the real BBEG? Or is he just the "top henchman" for an even grander BBEG?
    The shadowy figure on the monitor, perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:27 No.3336558
    It's clear that Tom is the true evil of the story, trying to corrupt innocent little Ruby with lewd acts, kissing her, trying to get her drunk, and carrying around that condom. I don't trust that Tom.
    >> Lord Licorice 01/07/09(Wed)03:32 No.3336578
    oh hai

    I updated the latest batch of RubyQuest thread titles to the proper numerical order. Who keeps putting titles like "Part 18, Part 2"?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:39 No.3336613
    18 was considered a false-start.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:39 No.3336614
    /r/ing .rarchive of Ruby Threads
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:41 No.3336629
    Ace is just another patient.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:47 No.3336661
    Ok, here are some facts:

    We have to factor in several key elements. Spontaneous mutation is well beyond any known science. Ruby simply grew an eye out of her own headwound, some things don't work with science alone.

    It had been hinted at although not confirmed beyond doubt that both Ruby, Stitches, and several others were brought back from the dead. There is even a picture of Ruby with the back of her head split open and a video of it happening. Revival from death, but having odd mutations (of varying degrees of severity.) screams either some VERY unorthodox science or some delving into the occult. and I would like to know what the scientific process was that animated the first corpse, there was nothing left of it and it lunged like a worm at her!
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:48 No.3336669

    Speaking of the occult, there have been various ruins and dark symbols, often drawn in blood, all throughout the building. Blood pours from an eye in the a painting for no reason, walls are coated with red writing, an eldritch statue with a frigging finger next to it. The list goes on. Some of these can be explained by someone with sick taste, Red certainly seems the type. However the number of them seem a bit much for that.

    Added to that the biggest sign of the supernatural yet...the Fractured Room. There is very little to explain that away. It was not there before, then after what may or may not have been a dream suddenly a localized tear in reality appears. Displacing physical matter in such a way, along with gravity, screams something otherworldly.

    And why is the base underwater? It's clearly a secret lab, but does it's location mean anything? My thought is the location was either near something important to their research. (cthulhu anyone?) Or it was the best environment to work in. In both cases something feels off about the choice.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:48 No.3336672
    Lord Licorice, the thing is that 18 Part 1 and 18 part 2 are the same thread. Part 1 got deleted early on because it was being flooded out of control, so 18.2 was a re-take on it.
    They're not a progression.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:50 No.3336685

    Thus I can only conclude that the lab is reaserching some eldritch horror, and possibly using something taken from it for medical research.

    They said Stitches and Ruby died...they never said they stayed that way.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:51 No.3336687
    >Ace is just another patient.
    Interesting theory. Ace never signed off on any of the medical documents. He wrote "deceased" on what was basically a post-it note. The only time his "name" was ever mentioned on an official document was when they mentioned Ruby died "despite his best efforts".

    That doesn't mean he was an attending doctor. It could just mean he was a patient whose 'best efforts' were finding her and bringing her back.

    In fact, when I look at him as a semi-clueless patient who just tried to 'save' Ruby, he kind of reminds me of Lennie Smalls from Of Mice and Men. Hulking, powerful, yet ultimately innocent and clueless.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:51 No.3336688
    Did you ever consider that thing at the beginning might have just been an aquarium? What if we're actually just in underground?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:51 No.3336694
    The building construction diagram implies being underwater, as does the poem, which we now know was made specifically for Ruby Quest.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:56 No.3336720
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)03:59 No.3336745
    >They said Stitches and Ruby died... they never said they stayed that way.
    Or, more immediately:
    ACE said Stitches and Ruby died... but what makes us think he was telling the truth?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:02 No.3336767

    ...the picture of Ruby with her skull split open? The video of Red killing her? The fact that she woke up in what was basically a coffin?
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:04 No.3336782
    >The fact that she woke up in what was basically a coffin?
    Proves nothing, we don't know what it is yet, and a literal coffin wouldn't have buttons inside.

    >the picture of Ruby with her skull split open?
    Could have been faked. Could have been a real, serious injury that she survived.

    >The video of Red killing her?
    It's a video of Red ATTACKING her. At the end of the video, Ruby is still clearly ALIVE.
    She shakily reaches her hand out of the box when Ace opens it. See: >>3333580
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)04:07 No.3336793

    That's definitively untrue.

    Now, as to who is the next level up in the story, possibly the highest.

    There are, as I recall, two unrevealed characters left on the board. One of them, as it was noted before in a frivolous moment on IRC, has been shaded out in sufficient physical area to contain a proportionate Tortimer.

    Let's look at the rest of the evidence. The character will be one from Animal Crossing, since Weaver said they all are. The character on the screen has either got extraordinarily broad and sloping shoulders, or a circular shaped object across the back that reaches its peak at neck-height. The character has a sihlouetted mustache of some description. Tortimer does not have one from what I can recall, but does have facial hair. The character has small, round glasses, well down on the face, as does Tortimer. The character also has some sort of spiraly markings on one side of the head. The loop at the left side of the head may possibly be the markings of a top hat, although there is no way to know yet.

    It's the most coherent conclusion from the little evidence we do have. It's also completely meaningless, but for HAH CALLED IT use.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:10 No.3336814
    It can be noted that there have been people in history that have been mis-diagnosed as being dead and were buried alive. Same thing could have happened to Ruby after an attempt to save her life by closing up her wounds.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)04:12 No.3336823

    Also, Tortimer could be the source of Red's cane. Perhaps, given his higher access to the systems, he was one of the workers who confronted him because of the results of the experiments?

    I'll elaborate on why Ace isn't a patient. Even though he could just be a patient if a great many things turn out to be untrue, misleading, or misinterpreted, and a patient who happens to have gained access to a room so secure that high explosives weren't sufficient to open the door as well as having acces to what seems to be everywhere else, there is no evidence for him being a patient. At this point all you can claim is that it is still not impossible for this to be the case.
    >> Badger 01/07/09(Wed)04:20 No.3336851
    on a side note, is the irc channel up? i'm having issues connecting (may just be my stupidity)
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:22 No.3336860

    If that were the case, why would a gouging cut in her skull leave no marks while a cut on her head leave a light scar that became an EYE!
    >> Badger 01/07/09(Wed)04:25 No.3336869
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:38 No.3336911
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    I know i'm still logged in
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:41 No.3336926
    >why would a gouging cut in her skull leave no marks while a cut on her head leave a light scar that became an EYE!
    Supports the "Ace is a mad doctor" theory. He heals her, brings her back to health, then performs MAD SCIENTIST experiments on her which result in the various mutations. She was fine, then she was monstrous. All that changed in between was Ace's involvement.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)04:42 No.3336933
    Is this on autosage or something?
    >> Badger 01/07/09(Wed)04:47 No.3336949
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:49 No.3336959
    >>The three-day gap of lost time came AFTER Tom drank the antidote. When he got it he was clearly still sick, but Ruby whited out three days after he drank it, not before.

    This is not sure.
    Ruby blacked-out two times in a short sequence: from Stitches and from Tom. We assume the Stitches sequence (with her bedroom and the key) took 3 days, and she was "out" in Tom's arms only briefly, but there is no solid proof it wasn't opposite.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:53 No.3336982
    Primarily, forget spontaneous mutation. Virus, medicine, it all sounds like if not some rightists, it's within a 50 years grasp of the current science, not anything way too weird.

    OTOH the fucked up physics, stuff that happens on the Brig, now this one is deeply fucked up and nothing we know can explain it. THIS is the real mystery, and the mutations, death and monster stuff is just secondary.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)04:57 No.3336995
    >>At the end of the video, Ruby is still clearly ALIVE.

    There is one word in this sentence I'm not sure about at all.

    >>still alive

    Why not

    >>alive again

    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)05:00 No.3337008
    No, Tom specifically said "it had been three days since he took the antidote".

    >Why not "alive again"?
    Because all implications suggest Ace's involvement in these happenings, and the gap between the assault and Ace's discovery of Ruby appears short, so she would have had to IMMEDIATELY resurrect herself, AND there were no drugs, occult spells, or other weird things applied to her in the meantime. Something had to have happened AFTER she "died".
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)05:13 No.3337065

    No it isn't. You can't rewrite a person's genetics in any significant way once they're bigger than a few dozen cells tall. You can't do lego with genetics, just chemistry.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)05:38 No.3337141
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    Actually, this is exactly what a virus does, to replicate self. Modifies DNA of a cell to replicate its own DNA and produce any extra proteins (say, shell) to replicate the virus. Side-effects can be... interesting.

    Reengineering the viruses to do your bidding and modify the genome of a live patient is the natural next step in genetic engineering after successfully learning how to engineer the DNA of a zygote.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)05:55 No.3337189

    The problem is that for a virus to be successful it must reengineer the entirety of the host's body, not just a few cells. The entire modified biological structure's genetics must be inserted into the original biological structure, or the natural growth of the remnants of the structure will interfere with the new growth and probably cause the subject's death. You cannot do it piecemeal, either, or the new structure will grow in ways that, again, compromise the old structure fatally. Most viruses kill people because organisms cannot withstand their structures function being changed in this way. Unless the virus is destroyed by the immune system it will kill the person through these changes. Viruses that don't compromise the structure also change it in extremely subtle ways, and as such aren't applicable to this.

    You're also trying to change the structure that exists into another structure. This means that, even if you do manage to replace every single cell's DNA with your new DNA, it has to replicate itself to produce the new structure in such a way that at every single stage of the process the structure still functions, which means that not only must the end result be stable but so must EVERY STAGE OF THE TRANSFORMATION, which is something so difficult that it is all but impossible.

    These difficulties can't be overcome by sayng SCIENCE. They are, for the real world, so utterly insurmountable that nobody even has a fucking clue how it could possibly be done with theoretical future magic tech.

    As much fun as post-egg genetic modification is for fiction, it is so far beyond the grasp of science as we understand it that it would take a fucking revolution in biology on par with the discovery of genetics itself just for us to be able to speculate on how theoreticla technolgoy may make it possible in the future.

    That's pie so high in the fucking sky it's fucking smeared on the Hubble telescope.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:14 No.3337285
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    I think you still think of organism as of a set of bricks, not as a fractal.

    The virus doesn't have to compromise the whole organism, just a significant part of organs that are to be modified. The modification can't be conflicting with the original, it must be its extension, variation. You can't stick a dog's head on top of a human body, but you can get the skin to grow fur. You won't grow wings on a human, because the genetic pattern is not there, but an extra pair of hands is doable, just activate the part of genome responsible for "growing hands" in a different location of the body.

    Of course the difficulty of creating such a virus is an order of magnitude higher than manipulating a genome directly, but when I'm saying "50 years of unhindered research",. I mean nothing like the obstacle course it is today, but something like the last 50 years of progress in electronics.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:18 No.3337307
    I wasn't going to include a sanity system (which isn't hard at all, you just have another floating value which ticks up on certain events, then at certain values you roll a random number between two values and after that many say, clicks, or time, or transitions, or scripts, it does some sort of eternal darkness effect), I don't want us to have a way of interacting with abstract intergers. Knowing "how much health" or how far down the line you are detracts in my opinion, and it's not really something we're facing here. I'd rather having them as static plot points to save overcomplication in programming, so you get this game in decent time. The nearest thing I'd do is have it trigger ambient music.

    I certainly wouldn't use Kefka's laugh, that's just a joke of an audio.

    Sound effects will be hard, you ask me not to use stock sounds but then don't provide an alternative. It's all well and good saying something has to be done a certain way, but you can't expect it to magically appear, if you can't provide an alternative, how would I?

    I won't be overplaying sound, whilst it's tempting to have footsteps to add a stronger "it's quite and cold", equally it could just be grinding, annoying, and even cartoony.

    Audio intentions:
    Quality: I can use any mp3 and whatnot, but I'm in favour of the lowest possible sizes, less is more and I don't think anyone here would object to 8-bit stylisation
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:18 No.3337312
    Low humming sound of background computers at work, occasional groaning of pipes. At the start of the game the pipes will be off; but will start after the zombie encounter. Distant scraping of metal, and background echos will occur when you are controlling Ruby without the support of Tom after that point.
    Whispering is a tricky subject, it kind of calls together that there should be normal voices too. If I did, they'd occur during the blackouts, and when she is given those visions. Anyone know what the textual equivilent of a glass ball rolling on metal is =P

    Recommend some shit. I'll be getting a friend to cover this as he's a producer, but if you have preferences give me an idea. Common ground helps. Essentially the starting area up until the zombie, whilst I want it to be somewhat eerie, I want it more like how tv shows convey the depth of space, rather than downright creepy from the start. After that it's all about the disconcerting.

    Hugging tom to regain sanity just sounds like you want a dating sim game in the middle of a horror flick.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)06:26 No.3337339

    The problem is the things encountered here are more than rewriting a few million cells to work exactly as before but to grow more and different hair follicles as well, with the net cost of energy. Putting anything new inside of a person requires that other things move or be subsumed. An eyeball in a skull that while not neccesarily functioning but living and moving and that doesn't compromise neural function and that manages to appear that damn fast isn't possible. Tom's vestigial arms, maybe, since we don't know how they appeared. But keep in mind those sorts of complex structures, where they exist in nature, only appear from birth because once a body has its compnents' functions set, which happens as a fetus, you can't make it change into anything.

    Also, nobody knows a damn about how to change genetic structures without either doing it all at once or basically killing the immune system.

    So, yeah, the point is that rubyquest's mutant shenanigans are not realistic for as far ahead as we can currently predict, which is, with accuracy, about a hundred years.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:28 No.3337344
    That's the problem with impossible things: they're impossible. If these things were normally-explainable phenomenon they wouldn't be as startling as they are.

    So either you get a pseudoscience attempted explanation that at least tries to make sense of things, or you have to resort to pure handwavium and say MAGIC or something.
    Yes, genetic engineering is the modern-day equivalent of RADIATION DID IT, but at least it tries.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)06:34 No.3337362
    No non-environmental music is best. It helps create that still, stifling atmosphere, focuses the player's attention on sounds, allows you to turn the music into plot points, and means that when you do use music bloody hell is it creepy.

    Like, say, Dead Space for a recent example. No music, until near the end, where you're wandering through hallways full of suicides with upsettingly few encounters and someone's singing Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and what, damn that's creepy, and where is it coming from WHO ARE YOU AND WHY ARE YOU SINGING GODDAMN. Contrast is crucial. If there is no music normally, then when there is music, it must be creepy.

    Plus, it means you have an excuse to use the tinny radio sounds that work so well in conjunction with mood dissonance music. Like when you walk into a room full of tanks with clones of yourself all mutated, and all recently smashed open and butchered, it's creepy, but when you walk through the same with a little radio playing a tinny version of Pachelbel's Kanon you start getting genuinely upset. Dissonance music plays with people's experiences. It's also impossible to use well if you aren't using contrast right.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)06:36 No.3337369

    I'm fine with SCIENCE in fiction, because it's neccesary and you can hardly expect a writer to take a doctorate in a subject to write a little better on it.

    I just get irked when people point ot the SCIENCE and say it's real.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:39 No.3337377
    There needs to be something humanising at first. The whole thing was at first it wasn't specifically supernatural until the proverbial hit the fan. So you want to enforce a familiar and somewhat neutral game until scary things -do- happen. Dusk till Dawn man.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:45 No.3337392
    Oh are we autosaging?
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 01/07/09(Wed)06:47 No.3337396

    Have been for hours now.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)06:49 No.3337409
    I usually leave the window with ruby threads open on the side; I never really notice. I'll guess I'll throw some stuff up at the next thread.
    >> Kash !gI1GvxqNys 01/07/09(Wed)08:18 No.3337690
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    I'll just leave this here.
    >> Kash !gI1GvxqNys 01/07/09(Wed)08:19 No.3337696
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    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)08:26 No.3337709
    Even though that's gayer than most of the ruby posts, I love it.
    >> Anonymous 01/07/09(Wed)08:41 No.3337764
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    >> a few million cells to work exactly as before but to grow more and different hair follicles as well, with the net cost of energy.
    Thing is, a minimal change in the genetic code can create huge results. In some case it's just modifying a level of certain chemical that is required to reactivate dormant genes, you don't even edit the gene structure, just run a procedure that wouldn't normally run here. Not a violent modification is needed, just a gentle nudge. A tweak in proportions of proteins produced. You don't change the construction of a hair, the way it is being made, you just reduce some keratin, produce a little more lanolin, and the hair gets long and flowy and not short and curly. You absorb more water, increasing size of cells, and it gets smooth and long. You increase the amount of enzymes that trigger a place to grow hair, and it grows dense. You don't change every single cell. One in a thousand of your skin cells gets sacrificed to multiply the virus. One in a hundred gets the modified code. One in a million will have the code actually work, and initialize building the hair. Inside your body the virus will be killed by your immune system. In your skin, one in a hundred produced will actually get to "infect" another cell. The efficiency of the whole "engine" will be less than 0.01% success rate per a specimen of virus, less than one percent of your skin cells will get affected, but you will grow bushy long smooth fur...

    Of course an eye in your skull is a somewhat different case. It would take years to develop (...as you say, in an adult organism such "growth of new organs" is disabled, but again, that's a matter of re-enabling it, some tricky chemistry but not impossible). Again, not entirely impossible, but again, an order of magnitude harder.

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