Sounds cool! What system were you planning on using?

Nice picture.

This is really cool, OP.

>>4527588
>High levels user are capable of "hacking" other user's gel.

Dunno if want.

Otherwise sounds cool. Does it increase reflexes or something to explain why users don't just get shot?

>>4527618
Well, it figures, if you can create an gel-suit armour, and your high on drugs, you might feel more comfortable out of that normal bulky armour.

Hell, you might get a whole gang of weirdos roaming the night with strobeing light-effects rolling across their gel-projections, manifesting their LSD-style hallucinations into reality.

>>4527611
something futurey, with chunks cut out, I guess

Hey, this isn't a couple of ideas it's just one really developed idea!

>>4527668
everything has a cost, You can gain more control by injecting more of the control-drug, or drinking more of the gel-liquid, however the trippy effect of the liquid screws with your control, too much liquid and your just tripping out in your own vomit (which is dancing across your body because some of it is gel), too much control-drug and your brain starts frying to other way (over-thinking, paranoia, etc).

"Hacking" someone's gel is essentially re-attuning someone else's gel to your "frequency", you steal more gel-mass , but risk losing control of it, and of yourself. It's denial at the risk of fucking yourself over too.

You don't get shot for a number of reasons:
1. You do get shot, but your gel reacts on your instincts and absorbs the energy.
2. you get shot, but the drugs and the gel seal the wound and remove the pain.
3. You get shot at, but the gel deflect the hit.
4. You don't get shot because you use stealth-gel techniques.
5. You don't get shot because you "gun-sling" your gel faster.
6. You don't get shot because you were never there, it was a gel-avatar (though these don't have much range, beyond seeping through brick-walls etc)

The gel can offer enhanced speed, but it'll break your joints since your normal body is still inside.

OP has excellent idea. Feels kinda shadowrun, but it would win in any setting with appropriate tech level.
Good job, sir.

>>4527588
I was working one something remotely similar before I dropped it. It was pretty vaguely like yours except instead of chemical X it used lolmagic. People (likewise human only setting) were defined by their "relation" to magic. So the besic archetypes were:

mage: person who can control magic
gifted: person who can generate magic
cursed: person who is allergic to magic, but can sense/detect it
aberrant: person who is immune/resistant to magic

I think the last two you can use for your game too, makes even more sense if the thing is an actual drug.

>>4527799
Little explanation, in case anyone cares: mages were basically junkies who were addicted to it, so they had to constantly drain "mana" from various sources otherwise they just plain felt like shit, also, they could cast spells of sorts. Gifted couldn't cast spells, but their natural magic kind of enchanted their capabilities passively to superhuman levels (although, they had to train and specialise for it, so you could either shrug off bullets OR run really fast, but not both at the same time).

>>4527778
I actually think it might even work in fantasy too, or at least medieval humans (ignoring other explanations like wizards). Make it "demon snuff" and "grail wine" (lady of the lakes water's flow around you in an aura, or frozen in a silken plate).

Throw dragons in as weird creatures as normal, or "mages" who went one "exhalation" too far, and permanently encased themselves in masses of gel (consuming gel from defeated foes). They literally start thinking they're gods (according to massive hallucinatory dream-logic)

Street gangs thread their gang-colours into their gel, from subtle tattoo-like effects, up to abstract face-masks with no visible eye-slots. Others style whole uniforms out of the material, both pseudo-clothing, and wholly alien body-shapes (though not too far beyond the human cores).

The combination can be a stealthiest weapon, bring forth a knife or a gun stored in your very skin. Common law enforcements struggle to find any evidence when the weapon has been withdrawn. The smart thug can clean away any visible blood from the scene, though most are too high to think intelligently.

However, the "uncommon" law enforcement can easily pick up residue of gel use, as parts of it are left behind just as readily as any other DNA evidence (and any less visible blood trace).

Both gel-liquid and control-drug are possible to find as separate, if exotic, purchases. The liquid often being taken by the less "educated" druggies for the straight hallucinatory effect. And the control-drug uses to boost mental agility and energy. Ordinarily, their effects would have a much lower classification. The recognised combined benefits among "dual-users" raise the price, along with the harsh penalties if arrested, mean it is usually less popular than common drugs.

Even special enforcement units cut off from their command-unit can find themselves stuck in dangerous waters, especially if anyone discovers they are in possession of something with such a high-street price.

I like this. I've been turning over a similar idea recently, but I was basing it on nano-fluid, that once injected starts causing the body to reproduce them. They react to nervous responses and such to do various "magical" effects, like the ones you've lined out.

perhaps it's an underlying fad or something.

I am incredibly inspired by this thread.

Oh lord.

>>4528077
Well, this is because I was thinking about psionic powers earlier last week, and decided that the Warp was a pretty fucking solid explanation without breaking a couple of "logical" rules:

A. Unless a new organ is grown, humans won't become psychic, as the brain never directly interacts with the outside world (hand, limb, eye, etc). (inb4 anyone suggests the pineal gland again).
B. Even if it did, it is unlikely to ever be able to impose such an amount of control as "hollywood" versions portray. Electro-magnetism is the nearest to telekinesis we can manage with all our technology, and only works on iron, etc, so I doubt a brain could do that and more (telepathy, laser-beams etc), while still being human.
C. If WE can't become psychic without becoming something else (i.e. we can't become a multi-tool electromagnet), maybe we can find a material that is naturally effected by our common brainwaves (i.e. the "iron" to our "magnet"). But this breaks any "hollywood" spontaneity.
D. The Warp separates the issue from both "caster" and "target". The Warp becomes the psycho-responsive material, which responds to normal brain-activity, and performs the bidden task on the target.

>>4528240
As a step between C and D, I thought of the idea of not just hoping the "iron" would be present when needed, but instead, why not bring it to the fight WITH YOU. Form knives out of psychic-crystal etc... and so the Gel came about.

Of course the big thing about psychic powers is the whole tie to drugs ("far out maaaaan!"), and basically blowing your mind. It's one of the basic ways of removing the idea from cut&dry sci-fi tools and training. (see Cthulhutech, DarkHeresy Insanity Warp-rolls etc, compared to Jedi Mind tricks)

Addiction is both a means of removing it from "equipment" status, something which goes with your "main skills", like another gun, or a grenade, and makes it a driving-point. You don't just have this stuff, you WANT this stuff, you NEED it. A lot of systems just don't have a penalty for the power of the cosmo blowing straight through your body, when we can barely handle a bad case of the flu.

Warfare should become entirely based upon this drug. Lower the prerequisites for these special effects. For example, you can choose between enhancing your own strength with the gel, making multiple appendages, sharpening your appendages, creating armour, creating projectiles, creating second bodies, mimicing surrounding colour, etc. Making hacking its own specialization as well - I will go into that later.

Also: men and women can group together with their gel, attaching their gel-forms to one another and psychically combining to create one creature controlled by a hivemind.
This is a common police tactic. Several enforcers meld their gel-forms to one another to create a many-legged, agile animal that speeds through the streets and across buildings and through the sky. When they finally arrive, they disengage and become seperate beings again. So, humans can fuse their gel together to make super-forms. There are some benefits to it, there are some down-sides to it - you hurt the super-form, you hurt everyone taking part in the hivemind. Not to mention several conflicting opinions and goals can lead to malfunction. Difficult to maintain a hivemind with someone when you want to capture your target and your assosciate wants to kill him instead.

Another specialization would be hacking. Your gel and your target's gel would have to be in contact. You can hack into their gel and take control over it, crushing their own body beneath the armour they were relying on and absorbing their gel into your own gel-form. However, this has the potential to be very unbalanced.

>>4528289

Not so much a fan of the gel sentai team mechanic. I like where you're going with cooperative effects. Other than in Mage you rarely have co-oping as a viable mechanic.

>>4528327
I just like the idea of several people at once fighting over what to do with the gelatinous monstrosity that is their host.

>>4528379
Also, while people can choose to specialize in personal combat, they can also choose to specialize in the superform and add small benefits to it. Making it stronger, tougher, faster, whatever.

So you could end up with a rather feeble street gang who can't seem to do much by themselves. Then suddenly they gel up, meld and fuck up anything in their way with their superpowered superform.

A man sits on this hill. His skin is damp. He is deep in the shadow of his own dreams. Literally.

Forming above his slumped head is towering mass of gleaming, oozing gel, branching crystal-form, something in between. It breaches the clouds above him, causing sunlight the illuminate the upper-sections. Colours swirl in the depths. Fish in crystal. Splitting, grouping, dying, living. A darker shape snaps in the depth of the mass.

The man was a yogic guru, spending a fortune to obtain such a wealth of gel, hoping to experience something beyond the dual-drug. A promise it showed, a Tower of Bable it became.

The mass had consumes at least two members of the team sent in to "calm" the Guru. Their corpses now bumped against gang corpses, gel dissolved into the greater host. Opportunist gang members, luck failed, life lost to greed, and drug-hunger.

The mass swayed, the air is still.

someone archive this thread ASAP

>>4528289
I would honestly stay away from joined-gel masses. The gel responds the the person who initially ingested it, or "hacked" it (which is actually more like "biting chunks out of the target's gel-mass" than "lol computers").

There's no psychic powers really beyond telekinesis directly applied to that user's gel (much like having a leashed dog wont make you able to use telepathy on other dog owners). You can co-ordinate your actions, and your gel's actions with others.

It's possible that twins or something might share similar enough gel-frequencies that they can partially influence each other's gel-mass, but control won't be totally equal.

>>4528529
The joined gel masses would offer a completely new element.
As for an explanation, you could say that the gel has its own nervous system that connects it to the user. It can fuse with other gel and connect nervous systems. It's not like two people with leashed dogs talking to one another. It would be like two people actually plugging into one another. They would feel what the other feels, they would think what they think and all in all, it would be a very, very messed up, psychedelic experience unless the practitioners perfect it.

>>4528529
This entire idea actually sounds kinda cool, but allow me to make one suggestion. Remove the "telekinesis" faggotry and make the gel simply kinesthetic instead.

>>4528529

Perhaps the joining of gel-masses would become exponentially more difficult the more people are involved. So it would be simple enough for two random people to join together, they just need enough practice. For two people who are very close, siblings, lovers, and so on, could do this easily.

So, for two people who are very close, the difficulty of joining is, say, 1.

For two random people, the difficulty would be 2.

For three random people, the difficulty would be 4. For four, it would be 9, for 5 it would be 16, and so on.


A large gel mass of a large number of people would be powerful, strong and resilient, but also lacking in finesse.

>>4528591
I think the combining sort of castrates the original feel of OP's post. Too much cooperation for a setting largely based in the miasma of addiction.

You have to remember, the mass of gel a person is working with actively affects their mental state. More mass = more hallucinatory effects, less control over shape, etc. Even if you could join masses, shared the mental load, you've basically got multiple minds effecting the same mass, and that mass is twisting out of control more and more (as it is getting multiple "commands" at different times, even milliseconds apart). At best you could probably drag it a few feet before everyone collapses into frothing eye-rolling.

Generally, people use a litre, and a needle full of control-drug. This is enough to form full armour, and a weapon without giggling at the walls, or shooting your team-mates because they looked at you funny last week. A cup full, and a tablet control-pill, is enough to form a decent weapon, a face mask, or a pair of gauntlets (gang members often shift between "aesthetic" forms in general use to "weapons" in combat use). A couple of sips can form a key, though a pill-amount of control-drug would be need to shape and use such a key.

I can actually see this working with the WoD system. Just add in a few extra, special stats.

Gelatinous Weapons
Gelatinous Armours
Gelatinous Attributes (stat boosts)
Gelatinous Endowments

That sort of thing.

>>4528623
>>4528617
Okay, I see now. Getting people to join masses, despite being cool, would be a very, very difficult process to control. You'd have to be very disciplined to maintain the fusion.

So, it doesn't really work with addicted gangbangers. Still, it's a psychedelic drug and people will probably take it for the experiece. Get a group of fratboys, give 'em some of the juice and the controller and get them to fuse briefly.
Hilarity ensues. Craziest group trip of all time.

I think I'll run this through SR4e and strip out Technomancers and Magicians.

>>4528681
Oh, now that's something I could get behind.

>>4528604
>Remove the "telekinesis" faggotry and make the gel simply kinesthetic instead.
You'll have to explain what you mean by kinesthetic, since that's just "learn by doing".

I'm defining "telekinetic" as:
As long as you're in contact with the gel, you can control the position of any part of it, like a large shape-able blob of wax or something. If a section is broken off you can't control it, but it naturally draws itself back into the main mass if that is moved near enough (like in T2 where the metal blobs reform, or iron-in-water droplets near a magnet).

Since you can change the transparency it's possible to construct semi-fibre-optics (IF you're skilled enough).

ITT: OP HAS GENUINELY GOOD IDEA, AND THEN SOME FAGGOT DECIDES TO TURN IT INTO MIGHTY MORPHIN' POWER RANGERS.

QUICK, RITA'S ESCAPED! FORM SUPER KAWAII GEL MEGAZORD.

>>4528698
Sup Deadman Wonderland.

Not that that's a bad thing.

>>4528698 that's just "learn by doing"

No, kinesthetic LEARNING is "learning by doing". Kinesthesis means "the ability to feel movements of the limbs and body" or the sense you have that enables you to move. Simply put, the gel acts as an extension of your body by interpreting the same signals you send to your muscles. No psychic hocus-pocus necessary.

>>4528704
Relax, I have abandoned the idea.
>>4528693
Another use of it could be private communication. However, you've got to balance out the positives and the negatives. Someone will be thinking IN YOUR HEAD. It will be a pretty fucked up experience and you've got to wonder whether the privacy is worth the toll the melding would have on your sanity.

>>4528698
Ectoplasmic manipulation.

Example; pseudopods.

>>4528772
This is generally the point we're all at. It's not controlled by psychic manipulation, but by a nervous system that's wired up to yours. However, you still need some controller to be able to use the gel otherwise all that while happen is that you'll be having the slimiest trip of a life-time and nothing more.

War-form: A version only workable through military resources. This is exactly the same as the street stuff, but it's the solider that takes the resources, and the drug-quantity involves.

The chosen soldier undergoes years of training, essentially a mix of dream-control and hypnotic command sequences. the idea is not to give the soldier a mental barrier against the effect of the drugs, but to make them more at home n their own drug-induced hallucinations than that of the real world. This benefits by reducing the amount of control-drug theoretically needed, and reducing the risk of paranoid-episodes.

At the end of training, the "pilot" is almost catatonic without the gel-liquid, but can control huge quantities when immersed in it (days are needed in order to consume the amount they're able to control). The "hypnotic" part of the training, allows orders to still be given to the pilot, and for them to be followed through.

When time comes, the pilot and their mass, usually form some distorted humanoid mass (and occasionally some form of squadron mascot, or "majestic" animal, used to facilitate the training). Almost all are incapable of anything more than lumbering motion, but their size allows them great speed anyway.

A few, using smaller gel-masses (and thus greater precision with the same amount of control-drug), have achieved flight, or deep-sea ability (seas are hazardous due to diluting effects on the gel). It is believed training could be made to reach upper atmosphere, or even low orbit (standard air-supply issues conflict with the normal training procedures used for "pilots").

>>4528821
Shit, did I say Deadman Wonderland? I meant Project ARMS. This is some straight up ARMS shit up in here.

Jawesome.

Ever heard of the Blue/Green Simic forces from Ravnica Magic TG block?

Look up 'Simic cytoplasm'.

>>4528821
I like it.

>>4528778

I like the private communication idea, just please don't end up with a giant green-ranger gelzord that's summoned with a magical decanter-flute or some shit.

My suggestions past that are that there is a highly sexual aspect to the drug where two can take the dual drugs and have ridiculous literally mind-touching sex where you can half-know exactly where to be etc. Don't make it a major aspect, but use it to add flavor, and different types of users.

>>4528821 squadron mascot, or "majestic" animal

Whoa, stop right fucking there. Remove that line and we're good.

>>4528911
Yes.
God, I can just imagine it now. A drugged up couple projecting their fantasies on one after a dose of the dual-drug.

Gelatinous interaction would be an important part of the dual-drug culture.
Of course, it would probably end up being private communication in its most controlled form.
In its most uncontrolled form, it would be a group of druggies sharing their hallucinations with other for maximum insanity.

>>4528941

You fail to see the gravity of the situation. This idea is good, and turning it into "Quick, senator, rita's escaped, get me five teenagers with a drug problem" is not the way to make it better.

>>4528941
This is correct for reasons beyond the furry nature (OH GOD GEL FURRIES WHAT HAVE WE DONE).

Honestly, human forms and animal forms are rather ineffective. In the end, the war form would just be a surging wave or blob of gel, sprouting limbs, pseudopods and other attachments when required.

The only chance of "communication" is that it can be used to jab each other in the ribs or something. Yes, it would probably be possible to design a sort of ball that sits in the gel and responds to various movements by matching it with pre-set messages, but that would require concentration towards that device along with controlling the main mass toward the specific goal at hand.

You're basically got to agree to be catatonic if you want to have big godzilla-sized blobs (though you can ride on-top of someone else's catatonic-powered monster blob, but the military needs a good reason to give you a massive, only-slightly-not-as-likely-to-go-nuts-than-normal, expensive godzilla to ride on).

Power-suits, a-la Bubblegum Crisis, Cthulhutech Tagers, is probably as high-powered as you get IF you have strong control ability.

Gel-fucking another user is probably in though (as a sort of soft-oozy be/d/ that probes both of you).

>>4528740
Wow, some zipperhead ripped off SLA Industries bigtime. That's a fucking Shi'an blood cult, there.

>>4528240

Don't you see? The new organ IS the brain. Worlds where psionic powers exist can simply be explained that the brain has evolved in a way that it DOES (or at least has the potential to) effect the 'outside world'.

>>4528988
Hey, look.
All I am suggesting is that the gel should have a rather basic nervous system that allows for the user to control it, when dosed with the correct quantity of controller.

Add gel to gel without there being any resistance and the gel will pool, becoming one. If one person touched another person's arm and allows for the gel to flow together, nerves could bond and the two being could be connected by the gel.

Like I said, communication would be the highest form of control in this connection. Trying to do nothing but think your message, while your companion does the same, trying to block out all interference.
If you don't block out any inteference, you're thinking millions of things and experiencing millions of things at the same time. You all experience the same things, think the same things, feel each others thought and TRIPPING BALLS

>>4527799
>>4527836
Extremely similar to SR4 there.

>>4528988
Oozy probing bed isn't what I meant, although if you like it, run with it.

I was thinking more along the lines of actual sex and physical interactions while sharing thoughts so as to be able to feel how she likes it and to make bumps, grooves etc on the penis and have it be a very spiritual experience because someone you love dearly is in your head, and you are both working to pleasure each other entirely and wholly.

>>4528941
>>4528971
I put that possibility in, not because I wanna yiff, but because the "pilot" needs an anchor to reality.

The military mascot/beast is essentially a way of anchoring the pilots "loyalty" to that military, as a ward against paranoia-attacks. They go into battle representing their "unit" as a malformed, oozing blob-version of that creature. Not as a giant dude in a yiff-suit.

The humanoid form is basic, the pilot is human, and will always initially identify as human, even subconsciously. Specific details may get blurred due to the drugs, but they're roughly going to have a rough idea of where their body fits together. Basically, a giant melty blob-dude crawling on their knees (mostly due to gravity)

Actually finding a pilot who functions as a rolling blob of flailing ooze is next to impossible. They're either functionally brain-dead, incapable of listening to commands, or just plain mad, let alone able to handle any form of navigation or foe-identification.

>>4528971 the war form would just be a surging wave or blob of gel, sprouting limbs, pseudopods and other attachments

YES. THIS.

>>4529053
Yeah, it's stupid. Drop it.

Hmmm... actually, might there be the possibility of physiological effects occurring to gel users?

Bear with me, that this is a drug implies that it is, at some point, absorbed into the users bloodstream. And it's kinetically active, with the taker having "telekinetic" control over it's behavior. This one surmises that if misapplied or overdosed the effects might be a tad more severe than just tripping balls, man.

Perhaps your head asplode?

Or maybe a psychotic episode leaves one of your arms with, slick, brightly colored skin?

Or random ass spines growing out of your skull?

Hmmm... perhaps these are pushing it.

>>4529074
Apparently not, my friend. Read:
>>4529053

>>4529095
No. That's fucking stupid. Now you're trying to create an arbitrary construct to support a stupid idea (lolgoonimals) in lieu of simply allowing the most effective, utilitarian form possible within the given milieu. Stop being a faggot and let's roll with military Shoggoth-mecha.

>>4529015
The brain is the core. The main reason why it has no direct access the outside world is that IF there is some massive trauma to something, e.g. an eye, the brain is still safely protected (not with a gaping hole in its functionality).

>>4529041
>>4529027
Personally, no. A "leashed dog" won't melt into another person's "dog", though it can "eat" that dog (upset the dog's owner, a lot).

Yes, this is "gel" not "dogs", but the drinking process is essentially the stamp of ownership, granting you exclusive control of "that" mass.

While, yes, a nervous system allows precise control, this really isn't it. You can splash, and smash, and slice, and push, but the control is your willpower (like a green-lantern ring) and the precision of your mind's eye (unless you manage to set up a system of hydraulics-feedback). If you suck at spatial awareness (while high) you'll have problems.

>>4529094 it's kinesthesically active, with the taker having kinesthesic control

Fixed. No need for quotation marks when you're not using the wrong terminology.

>>4529094
It's not telekinetic, it's more kinesthetic. The gel has a rudimentry nervous system that's connected to the body upon excretion.
Over-dosing on the juice, the drug that causes the excretion, will probably result in violent excretion of bodily fluids via the pores. Yes, I'm talking about sweating out your blood until there's nothing left in your veins, along with other unsavoury fluids...
Overdose of the controller, the drug that enhances the user's control over the nervous system, will probably result in nervous breakdown. Spasms, twitching, fits, the whole shibang.

Overdose of either would probably result in death when taken to extremes. As with any drug.

>>4529117 but the control is your willpower (like a green-lantern ring) and the precision of your mind's eye (unless you manage to set up a system of hydraulics-feedback)

Wow, that's a fucking stupid abuse of phraseology there. This is why I suggested NOT using the psychic mumbo-jumbo earlier. How about: it's kinesthetic goo, that is it responds to the very same electrical impulses traveling through your nervous system that your muscles do. While practice makes perfect, using it is more like simply using your body than trying to be Hal fucking Jordan.

>>4529117
That... is supposed to be a 'winter' outfit? Winter in Costa Rica or something?

>>4529115
>>4529074
Enjoy your whailing ball of goop that doesn't do anything. When where your dreams ever "hey, I'm a ball of tentacles"?

A chaotic mass of nonsense is pretty dull when that's what every single type looks like. Most highs don't flip around like that, they generate an internal logic.

How about some actual fucked-up Salvador Dalí, or Escher, dream images. Or a folding chimera. etc.

Since when did Cthulhu-balls have to go in everything?

>>4529146

So, would I be correct in assuming that the drug only becomes active after excretion?

Hmmm... but if the compounds are mixing in the bloodstream would that really be the case? I suppose activation could only occur via contact with the atmosphere.

Also, can we avoid becoming overly pedantic? The meaning was understood, even though the terminology was in error.

>>4529147

Change that to Hal Jonson and Joanne McCloud and we have ourselves a fucking awesome story.

BodyBreak EXTREME. TAKE YOUR VITAMINS AND RUN REGULARLY OR I WILL HUG YOU AS THOUSANDS OF MICRO-NEEDLES SHED YOUR FLESH.

>>4529188
We're not talking about "most highs" here, of which I've had MORE than my fair share. We're talking about trained military users, operating in the most efficient manner possible to conduct wartime operations. Fuck goonimals. They're going to be amorphous masses that adapt to the environment and circumstances they're in at any given moment. That very capability is what gives them any military utility at all since we're talking about the very same organization that would rather send a missile to do a soldier's job.

We seem to be in error here.

Some of us want a psychoactive drug that works via telekinesis, with no gel-melding (on the communication and group-trip level) but with hacking.

Some of us want a kinesthetic drug that is based upon biological efficiency, where gel-melding (on the low level, as stated above) is possible and where hacking is also possible.

>>4529191
Drug-high kicks in when ingested. Liquid-gel naturally goes out the skin-pores, almost like a thick goopy sweat. If control-drug has been ingested too, goo becomes "owned". Otherwise he can be eaten by another user's goo, or it degrades naturally to something similar to water (it cannot be consumed again to get another high without be reprocessed into the proper form).

>>4529255
I never presumed it wasn't psychoactive, I'm just trying to argue against the gay, here. Psychic powers are dumb and cliche. This idea has some real merit and I'm proud of the OPs imagination.

>>4529276
Wait, so... this is getting a bit crazy.
The control drug is what labels the gel as a person's biological property?

>>4529300
That's the problem. I think you're arguing with the OP.

>>4529276

Sorry, we seem to be miscommunicating here.

What I am trying to get at is a) can the "goo" become active within the users bloodstream and b) if it does (or even if it doesn't) could it's kinesthetically active nature, combined with the psychotropic other effects, lead to potentially strange/fatal effects on a users biology.

>>4529320
I suppose I am, then. That's unfortunate. I reread the OP and saw that "avatar shells" are completely inconsistent with the model I was proposing this whole time.

Too bad.

>>4529235
We're not talking about a normal "high" either. You ingest 1 litre of this stuff and your liable to go loopy. These guys are ingesting enough to fill a tanker, and need specific training designed to basically turn them into things so insane they wrap right back round to a completely different definitely of reality.

These guys ARE NOT FOR PLAYERS. They're the giant war-machines let out of the bag just to fight other armies. They're the nuclear-bomb, the city-level kill-switch.

IF you wanted to talk to them normally, they'd barely notice you. So you have to establish an anchor point right from the start. Their own physical identity (which neither drug touch), or something which establishes who you are to them (the BOSS).

EFFICIENCY here is making sure the bloody thing doesn't ignore the fuck out of you, or break your own allied army in half.

Nobodies suggesting they're all animals. They are representations of whatever the biggest fucking monster they can mentally identify with, without just become a force of nature.

>>4529353
From the looks of it, the OP is looking for this to be used purely as a combat system while we're looking at it in a 'what's logical' and 'what would make an awesome fucking drug' point of view.

>>4529300
psychoactive:
A psychoactive drug or psychotropic substance is a chemical substance that acts primarily upon the central nervous system where it alters brain function, resulting in temporary changes in perception, mood, consciousness and behaviour. These drugs may be used recreationally to purposefully alter one's consciousness, as entheogens for ritual or spiritual purposes, as a tool for studying or augmenting the mind, or therapeutically as medication.

>>4529396
Yes, I am aware of what psychoactive means. I've used more LSD than you've probably ever seen in your life AND I have access to every free dictionary on the internet. But thank you for that contribution. Have a nice day.

>>4529418
I'm sorry, but we don't need to know about your drug life.

>>4529379
The soldier is broken down to a point where it's nothing more than a barely sentient tool. A tool takes the form that is most efficient for its task. Since we're going with slow moving monstrosities, a wave of gel and pseudopods should do.

Anyway, what's so bad about people being able to meld gel and share hallucinations or even communicate if they're disciplined enough (we're talking super secret service level disciplined here).

>>4529302
The control-drug gets the user's brain into a state when the gel functionally responds to it, as well as combining with the gel produced by that user. It's part of the link. The trippy effects of the gel is partially irrelevant, but also balances the side-effects of the control-drug.

>>4529459
>we don't need to know about your drug life
>thread about psychoactive drugs

ಠ_ಠ

>>4529463
Do you want this drug to be developed purely as a combat stimulator?

>>4529379
I just don't see why goonimals are necessary here. You're creating justifications for them. What keeps a person operating under stress (which includes rampant hallucinations and disordered thinking) is willpower, training and discipline, not identifying with "power animals". You take this wherever you want to take it, but you head down that road and you're on the pink-brick road to gaytown.

>>4529322

Okay, so still thinking about this.

From the description of things the "goo" needs to be at least partially processed by the body, because I can't think of any other way for the control drug to link with it, and also because the goo incites a trippy effect on it's own. So it's not going to be excreted immediately. Granted even if it didn't need processing it wouldn't be excreted immediately, but I digress.

The chemistry is all going to happen before it's excreted though, so unless it requires something in the air that is not in the bloddstream, it's going to be active before it get's excreted through the skin.

And both it and the control drug have psychotropic effects.

... screw the sympathetic biology stuff, I can see a lot of gorily fatal accidents occurring from the use of this stuff.

>>4529459
>Anyway, what's so bad about people being able to meld gel and share hallucinations or even communicate if they're disciplined enough
If dipping your toe in the water makes you a bit loopy, you don't go diving. Meld Gel and shared-hallucinations starts to "creep" up the psychic power level. Next you get telepaths with gel-worms, and people "pinching off heart valves". (and no, I don't particularly care for /d/ content being focused on)

As much as I'm being accused of messing it up by suggesting psychic powers, I don't actually want that heavy a presence either. (but I think something is need to get away from "Hard sci-fi modern" which this is without the sprinkling of elements I'm using).

>we're talking super secret service level disciplined here
I'm trying NOT to.
The only thing SCIENCE is a weird gel-drug. and possible the corresponding control-drug.

Hell, mostly this is supposed to be street-level shit, not "hurr durr, why aren't these mecha shaped like cthulhu's left ball instead of being varied weird shit like pseudo-titans unleashed upon the earth".

core points:
1. people take two drugs, which make them high and paranoid (along with other random side-effects)
2. drugs produce material which responds to thought-waves
3. people uses thoughts to shape material
4. ????
5. Profit

6a. Can your players balance between hallucinations and paranoia.
6b. Roll insanity tests.
6c. The gel is the Warp, or the Goo from Ghostbuster's 2, with tweaks.

>>4529559
Hell yes, I see what you're getting at here. Perhaps the control drug should be paired with a sedative to make sure the user is unconscious until the gel begins moving through the pores?

>>4529578 hurr durr, why aren't these mecha shaped like cthulhu's left ball instead of being varied weird shit like pseudo-titans unleashed upon the earth

Actually, I believe the argument in question was SPECFICALLY directed at military/extreme uses and was more like "hurr durr, why aren't these mecha shaped like cthulhu's left ball instead of being giant animals made of goo"

>>4527588
I do like this idea.
Someone archive this on suptg.

you should have a character whos heart has stopped beating years ago, but hes using the gel to act as an artificial heart, pumping the blood. And he literally NEEDS this shit to stay alive.

Hell, go full out with some of the hardcore druggies that have extra organs SPEEC MUREEN style or something.

also, for attacking (and to weaboo this thread up) think elfen leid vectors, ripping people to shreds with mind limbs.

>>4529579

That would probably be the wisest option -- I imagine the organized groups using it would try and do that whenever possible.

But individual addicts, without such a support structure? Especially the really desperate ones? They're likely to meet sticky ends sooner or later. Probably sooner.

>>4529509
>I just don't see why goonimals are necessary here. You're creating justifications for them. What keeps a person operating under stress (which includes rampant hallucinations and disordered thinking) is willpower, training and discipline, not identifying with "power animals". You take this wherever you want to take it, but you head down that road and you're on the pink-brick road to gaytown.
The point of the "animals" is not any sort of stress-reducer. The whole point of the training is the put the pilot so far gone, that they're comfortable being insane. You're trying to make them insane because otherwise they can't control that amount of gel.

The point of the "reality identifier" (only one option of which is the division mascot etc) is to create a psychological anchor through which commands can be given with the insane person. It's like locking someone in a sealed greay box with just a light and air, and put a window in the side with a picture of "home".

Nobodies going to respond if you go "hey, I'm some guy you don't know". You go "hey, John, you'd make all us guys back at Robertson barracks real proud if you could do this, we've got your bunk ready for when you come back". The anchor here is "Robertson barracks", so maybe his war-form manifests as a moving "building".

The "animal" option IS AN OPTION.

You've got such a problem about this I'd suspect you were raped by a furry in a sailor suit while on LSD and got shell-shock.

>>4529578
(probably already mentioned, but there's a lot to take in)
Can you take one or be forced to take only one?
I can see people trying to take advantage of a one sided situation with a near overdose of control without any gel, to try and take over someone else who's been forced to take the gel, but no control.

Wait, isn't this idea a lot like the guy in the new Resident Evil game? Where you play as a Tyrant and go nuts in a city, exuding black pseudopods and wrecking shit like Godzilla?

BIOARMOR GUYVER MEETS CTHULHUTECH DRUG ADDICTS!

FUCK YES! YOU ARE THE BEST SETTING EVER!

>>4529706
interesting, with that idea, you could have the military generating lots of gel for one soldier by having a bunch of PoWs chained up with funnels down their throats or something

>>4529710
only because some people are focusing on a complete side-issue. It's like ShadowRun but people are talking about Cthulhutech mecha "because the army has awesome shit"

>>4529678 You've got such a problem about this I'd suspect you were raped by a furry in a sailor suit while on LSD and got shell-shock

Maybe. Or maybe I just think that OPTION sounds dumb. I do see what you're getting at, and I liken it to the cyberpsychosis rules in CP2020. That game had military full-borgs called Dragoons, who were in a state of constant psychosis but kept controlled by LOTS of psychoactive drugs and rigid behavioral inhibitors. In this case, I'd suggest something similar, through extensive operant conditioning, training and increasing psychotropic exposure (do lots of acid in training so you're prepared to apply the techniques you learned to the real thing later). Not "power animals", otherwise this becomes Goozilla.

Been reading this as often as I could while making dinner, and this idea is amazing.

Some technicalities could be resolved by the injection essentially containing the goo's nervous system, or could be something like "synaptic amplifiers" that bond in your brain to allow you to broadcast to your gel. To allow for the addiction (and necessity of constant injection), make the amplifiers die out fairly quickly.

The ingested liquid would contain receptors for this, which relays the thought processes to the gel (and to cover the ability for it to operate while separated from the main host). While the receptors wouldn't be what makes the liquid a trippy drug, that could be easily explained by some other means.

>>4529743
Don't get your panties in a bundle. We're pushing the envelope of your idea, here. That's what you wanted in the first place, right?

>>4529706
Part of me was thinking with this was more along the lines of a master controller similar to how the spice in the (Original) movie of Dune had trans(mal)formed some people to such a degree that they could do amazing things, but were utterly monstrous. So for corporations you'd literally have this controlling think tanks.

On the seedier side of things, criminal organizations could have their mob bosses or such having fun coercing womens :) or more practically preventing themselves from being A) vulnerable to gel empowered people or B) having their own force of coerced protection agents.

>>4529770
just hearing a lot of negativity and not much construction.

>>4529706
Yes, you can force someone to take the drugs (like any other drug).

You can force an overdose, like any other drug. If a user "hacks" too much gel off another person, they can overdose themselves. Massive overdoses will just drop them dead if it's beyond anything they could handle even if massively stretched.

Control will make them attentive, focused initially, then tunnel-vision, hyperactive. Control overdoses will just make the person paranoid, schizophrenic, obsessive compulsive, various other "other thinking" mental. More will kill.

Gel will make the user mellow, apathetic, then some minor audio hallucination. Gel Overdose will inflict heavy hallucinations, complete disassociation, coma. More will kill (if they don't drown in the gel).

Generally, you're going to end up pretty nuts will using both.You have to keep it under control.

>>4529829
That's just dumb. I'm anonymous. You want me to go through this entire thread and point out everything I've contributed? I'm not saying your idea that they're fucking batshit insane at the military level is bad, I think it's great. I just don't think a gigantic labrador made of goo is a cool way to go, here.

>>4529852
that wasn't me. lol

>>4529734
THE GEL IS LOVE! EMBRACE IT!

>>4529870
THE GEL IS LOVE!
BABY DON'T HURT ME
DON'T HURT ME
NO MORE

BABY DON'T HURT ME
DON'T HURT ME
NO MORE

THE GEL IS LOVE!

YEAH YEAH

I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU'RE NOT THERE
I GIVE YOU MY LOVE AND YOU DON'T CARE
SO WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG?
GIMMIE A SIGN

>>4529850

Aside from other, possibly fatal results. Indeed, an actual traditional death from OD'ing might be rather rare.

As noted in >>4529559 the drug needs to metabolized first. Both of them do, actually, else there would be no psychotropic effect and as such it is not unreasonable to conclude that the goo becomes active after ingestion but prior to excretion. This leads to the possibility of spectacularly gory demises if the drug is misapplied or overdosed on.

After all the "goo" is capable of some impressive physical effects, and is controlled kinesthetitcally by an individual whose perception is likely to have been warped by it's psychotropic effects. People so effected have historically behaved rather erratically, and it does not take a great deal of imagination to realize that if the goo is on before being excreted, and one tries to use it, that the effects could easily be quite... unpleasant.

>>4529799
actually almost every push has been me, except the suggestion about big balls, which is about as imaginative as people suggesting big balls goes.

questions are helpful, "lol I'm posting my disproval your're gay" isn't.

rolled 42 = 42

>>4529870
alternate form Striking scorpion aspect: ACTIVATE!

>>4529948 actually almost every push has been me

Wow. Just wow. Now you're going to be a faggot about it and claim you did all the work, huh? Fuck off, sunshine. You go with your psychic goozilla goth loli bullshit.

>>4530000
go on, say which posts have solid ideas and aren't me. Take a guess.

Yet another awesome thread converted into penis waving on an anonymous message board.

Wow.

>>4530333

Indeed. And given how everyone's a damn anon, claiming credit for all the good posts seems rather dickish.

>>4527588

Couple ideas for a setting. Me, her. Rope. Tape. Rape.

Hey, I have an idea for a plot hook,
You start hearing rumors about a guy that can instantly control any goo he touches, and that he insists that the goo and the drugs were originally made for him.
later on you find he's coming to the city the pc's are in,
bad news is he's taken control of several of the gooanimal's goo.
worse news, he suffers no ill effects from the goo, and he wants all of "his" goo back.

>>4531196
Does he look like this guy?

OP, run this in GURPS. No other system could possibly support what you have here without serious modification, and GURPS can support anything. Not to mention the only other option truely is to go d20 Modern and you'd still have to modify the system to get it to work.

I was thinking older, it seems the goo's be around for a while.

more like this

>>4531251
The OP is a faggot. He's probably going to run it in BESM or some other shit that supports his goonimal psychic goth loli fantasies.

i fucking love this idea, the stealth capabilities mainly.
a super stealthy, yet tripping spy? awesome

>>4529578
My point was, only the very disciplined could do anything involving communication. I didn't say anyone could play very disciplined characters since this is focused on the street level. It's just flavour-text, really.

To be honest, my interest is decreasing. You're making this seem less and less like a psychedelic drug and more like a very dangerous combat stimulant.
There's reasons why such stimulants are not easy to find outside of military operations, legitimate or otherwise. There's just no profit in it, there's no high to be gained, no one's really interested. It would just be seen as another government fad and perhaps a bit controversial due to the danger in it.

Oh well, looks like we're thinkg very, very different about this. Perhaps we should go our seperate ways with the ideas we have.

>>4531251
Hey, I could see this work out in World of Darkness quite well, not to mention some people have mentioned using Shadowrun. Just need some rules for addictions and we're there, really.

Gel Combat (Creating close combat weapons)
Gel Shooting (Creating ranged weapons)
Gel Armour (Creating armour)
Gel Stealth (Creating stealth mechanisms)
Gel Endowments (Boosting base attributes)
Along with others.

>>4531742
You're wanting it to be a neat psychedelic drug and yet you're the same moron from >>4529459 who got all butthurt because someone actually USED psychedelic drugs?

Huh.

>>4531836
That's just stupid.

>>4531860
"Neat" isn't the best word to use with it.

The reason why I posted that outline was because it seems like a bit of an internet tough guy routine that the guy was running. 'I DO MORE DRUGS THAN YOU EVER WILL FUCK I AM AWESOME'.

Was half excited to see the thread alive still.. then I read the second half and anon fucked shit up. Way to go anon.

>>4531880
It was a response to being quoted the definition of "psychoactive" for no apparent reason...

>>4531900
Oh it wasn't anon. The OP and his stupid psychic goonimal shit put this thread on the downhill.

>>4531906
>>4531901
Look, since OP seems to be absent, shall we try and continue without him, staying away from the psychic goonimal military combat stimulant and going towards the kinesthetic bizarro street drug.

>>4531866
Not really. Could work just like vampiric Discipline, with the quantity of drug used varying depending on how many dots you're using and how they're distributed between the disciplines.

>>4531901
Could've just said "fuck off, we know what psychoactive means" than bragging about drug use.

>>4531926
I'm game. I was thinking about it while I was on the elliptical at the gym earlier. I was trying to imagine how tough a kinesthetic gel would really be, and how unfit it really seemed as a "combat stimulant", as you put it. Instead, I had the idea that the gel's effects were mostly sensory - imagine this gel, capable of communicating directly with your nervous system both ways. This, to me, implies a fascinating potential for sensing. What if the gel can mimic sensory organs, like the eardrum? eyes? nose? Imagine being able to hear and see from your entire skin, but this comes at the cost of never being entirely certain if what you're sensing is real (thanks to the psychedelic effects of the both the gel and the control drug)

>>4531957
Jesus man, it wasn't bragging. I've done a lot of acid. I know well what psychoactive means, both by definition and experience. I'm sorry if that bugs you. Forget about it, ok?

>>4531980
Continuing, this biomimetic gel might be capable of mimicking other organs, too. Like muscle, cartilage and bone - that would allow it to function in ways with more combat potential, but still not going all crazy with "avatars" and "goo bullets". It also would allow for the potential of hideous, violent injury like >>4529559 mentioned (a side-effect I liked, necessitating sedation in controlled usage and providing some nasty atmosphere for street junkies)

>>4531980
I was thinking about this but you've explained it far better than I ever could. This sensory stuff would be rather basic and rudimentry unless actual sensory organs are being created from the gel - and it would be very difficult to control. If you suddenly try to use the gel-form as a visual sensory organ, it would be very, very disorientating depending the amount. If you're covered in it, it would be a few brief seconds of OH FUCK I CAN SEE EVERYTHING before your control lapses and you vomit.
Still, my bet is that the sensory overload would feel fucking fantastic.

>>4531998
Yeah, I understand.
Sorry for being so anal about it.

(not OP)


The gel itself is quite inert. It is a ferrous polymer, one that is somehow highly reactive to internal magnetic fields, but not to external ones. It seems it has a tendency to form three layers, an outer skin, which is like hard, malleable plastic, and which forms on the edge of any mass of the gel, an active soup, which stretches and contracts depending on the magnetic field it interacts with, and which causes a magnetic field when it is distorted, so providing feedback, and an inner skeleton, which provides support for the mass, anchoring onto the body, and also serves as the 'nervous system', transmitting messages between the gelmass and the user. The gel can change colour, forming prismatic, chameleonic shades that shimmer across the surface of the gel.

As the user becomes more adept, they can cause the skin to harden, or deepen, or thin, they can cause the soup to stretch and contort with great strength and finesse, they can cause the skeleton to form long, spindly tubes or short, solid bones, they can cause the gel to form specific coloured patterns, acting as camoflauge.

The control drug puts the user in the right frame of mind to accept new sensory input from the gel, and to send new motor output into it. It is also psychoactive, about as potent as LSD.

>>4532044


It is possible for two or more people to merge thier gelmass. This is used during lovemaking, as the feedback provided attunes the two in a way that is rarely possible, thier nervous systems are actually linked through the gel. It can also be used to generate larger and more intricate gelmasses, for use in art or war.

Tarbabies are self-controlled gelmasses. They are generated by a user, who gives them a basic nervous system by manipulating the gelmass skeleton, and a basic form by manipulating the skin and the soup, and then releases them. This is an extremely complex and time consuming process, but one that users often find quite satisfying. A tarbaby can be used for many things, including the obvious, as a warrior, a servant, a living artform, but also for less obvious tasks. A tarbaby can actually hijack the nervous system of a human being, controlling thier actions, influencing thier thoughts. These tarpuppets are of limited use in espionage, as they don't act normally, but they can be used for many purposes. If the tarpuppet is exposed to the control drug, they will gain command of the gelmass of the tarbaby.

>>4532044
I'm not too sure about this. I was thinking about kinesthetic manipulation. The gel has a very basic nervous system that the user is connected to when they excrete the substance.
I'd also just have the gel as a single layer of goo that varies in density and size as the user wills it. Adept users are capable of shaping, extending and hardening the goo, as well as force other properties on to it.

... I can't believe nobodies noticed that this is basically a drug version of a Green Lantern power ring.

Everything OP suggests the drug does is shit that Green Lanterns can do.

>>4532054
We've already discussed gel-melding and I like your interpretation. We seem to agree on that.

However, tarbabies are a big no-no. With a host, the gel is just inanimate sludge. While a humanoid shapes can be constructed out of the gel, along with other shapes, disconnect from them and they become gooey puddles. Creating accurate humanoid shapes would be a very difficult process anyway, and would require way more gel than is considered safe, along with incredible focus.

We've already discussed - incredibly focus does not suit the setting

>>4532093
>>4532093
The OP actually made a reference to the green lantern shit, but we're trying to step away from the psychic bullshit and make it a more biological process.

>>4532054

While it would seem that the use of this would be ideal for the military, the truth is that there is no ideal mid point between control over the gel and control over yourself. That is to say, that by the time a user has taken enough of the control drug to effectively use the gel in pitched combat, they are no longer in any fit state to serve in a disciplined military. And as the current military paradigm does not allow for the release of berserkers into the field, there are no western armies that use them, though all have research directed towards it. In sub-Saharan Africa there are many warlords who use the gel, thier ability in single combat still an important part of war and power there.

>>4532107
yes.
I agree with this entirely.

Now that I think about it, the half-comatose military goonimal mecha that OP has in mind was actually very focused. He created something that went against the flavour that he was trying to set up.
Honestly, I think the military goomecha idea should be scrapped.

>>4532073
That's about what I was thinking, too. I like the properties that >>4532044 outlines, but it's "hard gel" whereas I'm thinking more "soft gel" - biological versus mechanical. It takes energy to create strong magnetic fields, necessary to harden a ferropolymer. The kinesthetic goo I'm imagining is more like slime mold. Capable of making you stronger (but not faster, at least not without a LOT of practice staying relaxed) and giving you senses WAY beyond what your brain can handle - and GOD does it feel good.

Damn trolls ruining this thread

>>4532118
I can agree with that. I was one of the Shoggoth proponents, and that idea still vaguely guides my thinking here but I agree that at a certain point it's dumb. This stuff can't stop a bullet and as the dosage increases it exponentially degrades your ability to act in a rational, controlled manner. But for a warlord in the Congo, I can see it being the shit. That said, I think the specops potential is there with the sensory aspect, at least. Dose *just* enough to get an edge without going too bonkers.

>>4532127
Also, basic control can harden and soften the gel, make it vary in density, make it extend and withdraw and so on.

Here's an idea:
It's a dual-drug, right? You've got your juice, the stuff that you drink and the next thing you know, an hour later your pores and shitting out litres of gel. Then you've got your controller, the pill or injection that allows you to control the shit pouring out of your pores.
How about the juice is a fairly common street drug, but the controller is quite restricted and limited?
Controlling the gel is an odd process. Anyone, with or without the control is able to use the gel and an extension of their senses (for a few seconds at most, though) and fuck, does the stimulation feel good. However, that's about all you can do with the gel-form.
However, after a bit of the controller, you're able to focus on one spot. You're able to manipulate that one spot and maintain what you do to that spot for longer.
More controller, and you're able to maintain all sorts of changes you make to your gel-form.

>>4532097
Yeah, the avatar/tarbaby thing is right out, but I could see something like an eyestalk being used. The questions we should answer are:

1) How stable can this goo be? Can you form a new arm out of it and pick up something heavy? 2) How far can you extend a pseudopod?
3) How hard can it get?
4) How fast can it move?
5) How fast can you retask it (i.e. form a pseudopod and use it as an eyestalk, or harden it into a bonespike?)
6) What color(s) is it? Can it change color?

>>4532153
Perhaps. I could see them creating extendable eyes to see around corners and stuff like that.

I've been thinking about goo-shooting, though... Sure, the idea's pretty fucking goofy but the gel is a part of you. Sure, you can use utilize your goo as a ranged weapon, perhaps creating hardened spikes that you manage to expel using high pressure (knowledge in biology and physics is handy here - you might be able to use the goo to mimic certain physical and biological processes), but imagine what it feels like.
It would be your finger ripping itself off your hand, Fucking painful.

>>4532165
There ya go. The gel is like a rave toy, and partiers take it like acid and enjoy the high. It's not threatening at all unless you pair it with the controller, which makes you tweak while giving the gel the capabilities we're talking about. I like that.

Who sez the goo has a nervous system?

>>4532244
We do. We ironed out that biomimetic aspect way back near the top of the thread.

>>4532192
1) That example would be the very limit of it - your control would have to be exception to be able to create an arm that functions. A gloopy pseudopod wouldn't be able to do it. Not even a hardened pseudopod - it needs an internal skeleton for the job. So, you would have to create a hardened skeleton for the arm and processes that mimic muscular action. Generally, it wouldn't be worth it - you'd rather enhance your own limbs' strength.
2) The more control you have, the further you can extend it. The longer and more longterm it is, the longer it would have to be. If you're just going to sprout a pseudopod for a second to sucker-punch someone, feel free. If you want to create a long, agile tentacle to reach up to a security camera three stories up to disconnect the wires, you're going to need an internal skeleton for that to hold it together while it ascends.
3) It can go from the consistency of syrup to the hardness of chitin. Perhaps hard enough to absorb several impacts, maybe even a bullet or two.
4) Relative to control. If your control is low, you've got to focus to make it crawl and creep ever so slowly. If your control is high, it reacts as fast as you do. It's an extension of your body.
5) See above.
6) Generally, I would think it's transparent, but oily. Look at an oil spill on the ground and you see a collection of shimmering colours. Look at someone covered in unaltered gel, they're covered in shimmering rainbow slime. However, control can alter how transparent and opaque it is as well as the colour. This can actually be utilized to create stealth - some scientists have even experimented and discovered that with enough control, the gel could be formed so that it bends light perfectly around the target, making them almost invisible.
However, the amount of controller needed for this would kill a family of elephants. Not advised.

Do any of you actually think it matter if it has a brain-stem or not? It's gooooooo.

You wanna bitch at SR for having Orcs and magic? or maybe DH for not having big enough perils of the warp?

>>4532283
the problem with the hardness thing is that inorder for it to be hard without being brittle, its going to need increase its density, so when you do make hard things you'll either need a lot goo or you'll have to use it sparingly

>>4532283
Ok, lemme give you my take for comparison:

1) Spot on. Pseudopods are the practical limit. For real force, you use your own arm as the frame around which you harden the gel into pseudomuscle.
2) I was thinking that volume would be the limit here. That goo in tentacle you just made has to come from somewhere, and the amount you took is finite.
3) I'm thinking bone is the limit of hardness for this stuff. Maybe even cartilage; it's certainly not going to stop a bullet, but it can stop the bleeding and prevent blunt trauma or cuts.
4) Agree with you here, the more control drug you take and the more practice you have, the faster it moves.
5) Again, related to practice and control, but I would think it would have to be slower than just moving mass around.
6) I was thinking oily black, but that's just me.

>>4532228
Of course, take enough of the juice and you'll be sweating way more than just gel. You'll end up collapsing and possibly dying out of dehydration.

Actually, make the process a little less controlled. You take the juice, you sweat out the gel and your senses go haywire. One moment, your senses work normally. The next moment, you're suddenly seeing out of seven different spots on your body, hearing stuff out of five more and feeling everything and it's all incredibly fucked up.

Then you get groups of people who decide to meld while they're tripped. They sit in a circle, hold hands and the goo slowly flows together, uniting all of the druggies and connecting them all to one vast nervous system, where they experience what each other are sensing and even thinking. Of course, unless those partaking want incredibly painful neural feedback, they better not make any sudden actions and if they have to seperate from their friends before the trip's over, they better do it very carefully..

Also, sex while juiced up - FUCKING INCREDIBLE

>>4532291
We're coming up with a basic technobabble explanation for it besides IT'S PSYCHIC OKAY because this idea deserves better than that.

>>4532324
Second point, I agree.
Third point, I suppose that works if you're going for all-around-the-body protection but if you're withdrawing all your gel to your torso, you're going to be able to increase the density and create something that will probably be able to withstand a couple of bullets before it begins to break apart.
Sixth point, oily black has already been done with Venom and stuff, so I am not too sure about that. I like the idea of oily, translucent gel.
>>4532292
Understood, read above.

>>4532326
Let's not ignore the possible cyberpunk aspect of this stuff, either. It's an interface between your nervous system and the outside world - goo use might be necessary for certain high-end computing applications - VR abuse comes to mind, and direct mental control of systems designed for that kind of interfacing. Instead of goo bullets, have smartguns that output targeting information to your goo and thusly to your nervous system.

>>4532337
"better" is subjective here.

It seems a bit pointless making it into "another limb" of the body, to generate pain back at the user if it's damaged (lol bullet-catching), when is quite specifically not.

Frankly, surprised that nobody has mentioned what electricity would do since the gel can probably carry a charge, and not protect from it.

Sea-water already forcefully dillutes it.

ITT: a bunch of /d/ demand goo-boy goo-piles because they "want to believe".

>>4532370 what electricity would do since the gel can probably carry a charge, and not protect from it

Electricity travels along the surface of an object, so if anything the gel will keep the charge off your actual skin, but yes it is obviously conductive. This doesn't change much, since sticking your tongue in a light socket is stupid regardless of gel use or not.

>>4532351
I'm just not down with the idea of biological material reliably stopping bullets. I've got a pretty good amount of firearms experience and it just doesn't fit the more realistic model I'm proposing for this stuff. However, the ability to immediately stop blood loss is a pretty big deal from a wound-trauma perspective. Let's not overlook that.

>>4532369
A bit too controlled.

Remember: The controller is mentally harmful. The more you take, the more jittery and mentally unstable you become. If you take more than your body can handle, your nervous system will go haywire and you'll probably end up having a violent spasming fit as well as enduring some permanant mental damage.
>>4532370
Well, I suppose electricity would probably fucked up the gel and cause it to drop from the body in lumps.

>>4532106
"green lantern shit" is only so far as how the goo responds to, and requires controlled thought, not the functional ability, certainly not "lol I thought a giant mecha and it appeared".

the only giant effects are generated by the unconscious tripping badly

>>4532405
I'm talking about tiny amounts of both being usable to just create a little spot of goo used as an interface. If you can hook up to another person, you can hook up to a smartgun.

>>4532404
I suppose in the end, you're right. At the very least, it would reduce the damage caused, however.

>>4532415
Welcome back, OP. We're discarding your silly goonimal mecha thing completely and hashing out a more reasonable biomimetic kinesthetic psychedelic goo.

>>4532418
The goo is an extension of the nervous system.
People can hook up because their extensions merge, meaning that their nervous systems have become one rather bizarre nervous system.

I suppose if the smartgun has a nervous system of sorts, interaction is possible and would be much easier than person-to-person interaction because the smartgun probably wouldn't be thinking thoughts.

>>4532432
and yet, we haven't thought of anything to do with it

>>4532446
Okay, let's go on to that.

Right folks! Let's discuss what you're able to do with the gel rather than just what it is!

>>4532405
How about this: if we want to avoid cyberpunk implications, let's just say that it's no more usable as an interface than implating electrodes into your brain is - you can do it, and you can get some limited feedback but the way your brain handles information isn't compatible with binary computing - output is workable but input just isn't happening.

>>4532457
This is perfect for that.

>>4532465
Might as well expand on this.

It's perfect because the controller messes up your head. Sure, your senses are advanced and you're more attuned to your gel-form but your head is fucked in the process. As the gel becomes easier to control, your thoughts become harder to control. Mental problems spawn from nothing.

>>4532457
and where are you going to implant it? because you don't put a bionic eye in your ear, and this is a giant blob of ooze with no distinct points.

>>4532454
We were talking about that earlier, in fact. One of the ideas I had was using it for extended sensory input - see 360 degrees around your body, etc. I also pointed out that it could be used to protect from blunt trauma and stop bleeding from puncture and cut wounds. You can see around corners with a pseudopod and you can form pseudomuscle around your own limbs to increase strength up to a point (still using your own skeleton as a framework, so throwing cars is probably out).

Another guy went over the drug culture aspect again and we decided that use of the uncontrolled goo alone was more common than use of the dual drug form - as party candy, you just wanna link nervous systems and trip balls.

>>4532489
You totally misread what I typed. Noone's implanting anything.

>>4532490
I'll add my own ideas to this.
- Generation of weaponry. The goo around your arms can harden and become denser and form weapons. You could make a scything claw, for example, or maybe a collection of barbed tentacles.
- Colouring. You can customize your gel-form appearance, making some parts opaque and some parts transparent, others colourful and others pale, with specific markings here and there. This can also be used for stealth, where you can effectively become a chameleon by combing 360 vision with your colour alteration, changing your colour to your appropriate surrounds.
- Mobility. I'm not talking about going faster here but about bodily extension. Small ridges and spikes that making climbing up walls and ceilings possible. Extension of limbs to give you a long, lanky gait, increasing speed primarily due to the ground you cover with each step. Even the enhancement of jumping capabilities.

We need a recap of this thread, up to the stage we're at atm. What is it that we need to cover still? What about long term use problems? I could see a heavy user starting to have problems with muscle atrophy. Does it clog pores and cause nasty acne? What about sensory problems like synesthsia?

>>4532495
1. the goo has a nervous system
2. you're attaching something to it
3. the goo is a giant blob, and you're inserting something into it
4. you're creating a specific point within that blob and expecting "meaningful" data to be generated at that point?

>>4532530
Also, controller doesn't only grant you enhanced control over the gel, but enhanced control over your own nervous system. Since you're already functioning at tip-top performance, however, there's not much you can do.

However, sometimes sight can be a distraction. Sometimes you might want to be rely purely on hearing. You might disable all your senses except for hearing and feeling. You might make your gel-form incredible sensitive to vibrations, allowing your body to hear everything. Your hearing becomes incredibly advanced and if anything's approaching, fuck, you can hear it long before anyone can see it.

The following bare bones system


For every dose of the control drug you take, you get one D10 to control actions with the gel. You roll this to see if you can form a psuedopod, repel gunfire, whatever. Roll a 1, you catastrophically fail, the action fails utterly. Roll a 10, you succeed without losing a dice. the actual amount you have to roll over depends on the difficulty of that action. You get to determine how many dice you roll to succeed at any time, and to perform an action, you only need to succeed with one.

However, if you get doubles on a number, ie, you roll two dice and both come up 6, you get a negative outcome. You could be using a psuedopod to snatch a hostage from a terrorist. If you roll a single dice, you could get a 1, and simply fail. If you roll over a, say, 4, you succeed, and rescue the hostage. If you roll two 7's, you kill the hostage and the terrorist.

So in this way you have to balance rolling more dice to ensure success against the chance of a negative outcome. This is to represent the greater power of more of the control drug, and the greater capacity to lose control.

everyone would just use it for sex

>>4532568
I know I would.
>>4532566
No, let's work on the system another time, the same time as yesterday, maybe.

Anyway, I have to go. Can someone please archive this thread on sup/tg/?

>>4532118
>>4532153
(have only read down to here so sorry if I'm repeating someone)
I like the military superweapon idea (especially when it's not that controlled despite everything - more like a living bomb then an assassin), but as an example of one particular plothook that one particular GM might use in one particular campaign, rather than a larger part of the established setting.

>>4532568
Pretty much. I see that as the most common form of casual use, but people do that with acid too. I think there's some thuggish potential, too. I like the original idea of violent gangs using this shit, but that's not really copacetic with the other anon's idea that the controller should be rare. Maybe something that organized crime would use and every once in a while some trickles down to the street level somehow and some thug goes fucking apeshit and massacres a whole bunch of nice folks in a mall or something.

>>4532593
When I say controller's rare, I mean, it isn't available for everyone and their grandma to take like the juice is. It's more expensive and it's a higher grade drug. Generally, people don't want to get caught with it otherwise it's prison for a long, long time.
Which leaves monopoly over it free to those who don't give a shit about the law.

The main point about the rarity of both drugs is that both are a commodity. More gel means you can do more stuff (even if it risks you going nuts if you take it all at once). Both drugs create less of an effect than normal street drugs of the same price by themselves.

Just because it doesn't do it without the other drug doesn't mean if you're seen carrying it you wont be beaten up just for what you have by "true users", or jailed by the local enforcement.

If you're not a "true user" you're a sitting duck of an idiot.

How the heck do you archive a thread?

>>4532605
Fair enough, then. The goo is common party candy and the controller is a hard drug for "true users" and junkies. The setting shall be near-future grimdark and we shall call it "Goopunk".

>>4532642
I submitted a request at 4chanarchive.org just now, someone else can do sup/tg/

>Generally, the (possibly lethal) side-effects limit its uptake.

I stopped reading here

>>4532643
But true users want your goo too, so are gonna kill and take it from anyone who has it. You're basically waving a highly addictive substance around in the face of a bunch of high-powered thugs with an addiction to that substance.

>>4532676
It's not coffee, being sold at every Starbucks. are yoiu really suggesting that everyone in the world would take hardcore drugs even if it can kill them?

>>4532676
That means it has an LD50. Most drugs do, and that limits how much you reasonably want to do.

>>4532687
Crackheads want crack, too. That doesn't mean I can't buy it and use it myself at a party. It does mean that you have to be careful who you use it around, though. I imagine some "true users" get gigs as bouncers for goo raves, keeping the thugs out so the party kids can play and getting some doses in exchange, along with cash monies for their time. This also gives a precedent for a "white knight goo user" role, too. That can come in handy for players.

>>4531605
>hurr durr grimdark gritty darkenscary realism.

>>4532818
Feel free to fuck off with your psychic goofurry crap. This is now Goopunk.

>>4532729
>Crackheads want crack, too.
Crackheads don't usually inject themselves with a weaponising compound. They can want it as much as they like, but it's controlled by those who actually know how to use it. Crackheads will still be going for crack, or whatever, because it offers a better hit than this stuff for the same price.

Handing it out is like handing out guns to your customers. A lot of them have a risk of turning to shoot you in the face so they can grab more.

>That doesn't mean I can't buy it and use it myself at a party.
You want it for a party, buy something else which gets you more kick for your buck.

>I imagine some "true users" get gigs as bouncers for goo raves, keeping the thugs out so the party kids can play and getting some doses in exchange, along with cash monies for their time.
Yea, let the wolves guard the sheep. Might as well let the cokehead guard your stash?

>This also gives a precedent for a "white knight goo user" role, too. That can come in handy for players.
"white knights" aren't gonna use their supplies just to be bodyguards a bunch of losers who can't even use the stuff properly. They're either gonna teach them the proper use, or leave them to every other true user to strip them to the bone.

Hell, most "sensible" people stay the fuck away from the stuff. The law enforcement only has small teams to tackle the proper gang-usage.

>>4532910
We discarded the "OMG COMBAT DRUG" concept a while ago. Keep up, will ya?

>>4532866
sounds like you need to stop mastubating in your own goo. "goopunk" sounds seriously retarded, and doesn't actually mean anything beyond your own brain.

>>4532938
Really? Cause that's what it's archived as, and I wasn't the one who did it. I named this genre, deal.

>>4532932
might as drop the whole thing then, it's basically the whole point. Just RPing people rolling around in goo sounds like you think this is /d/.

>>4532954
Feel free to leave, then. Take your psychic goonimal furfaggotry with you on your way out, too. The rest of us like the way this is headed.

>>4532946
it's a name but it doesn't actually MEAN anything. You think the name "pooh bear" describes everything about a stuffed toy friend of Christopher Robin?

>>4532980 it doesn't actually MEAN anything
You sure about that, sunshine? That's like saying Cyberpunk doesn't mean a dystopian near-future sci-fi setting using cyberware as the McGuffin, or Steampunk doesn't mean an alternate-history victorian-style setting with clockwork steam mechanics as the McGuffin. Learn what words mean, son.

>>4532965
>Feel free to leave, then. Take your psychic goonimal furfaggotry with you on your way out, too. The rest of us like the way this is headed.
That post didn't even mention your favourite obsession of goonimal. You basically defended the whole setting being "goosex" instead.

Is everyone in this thread the same person when it's not you posting? I guess you think everyone's out to ruin your goo-dream (but a different "everyone" secretly supports you)?

>>4533002
lol, the vote count on the archive thread is 4 now and only one of them is me. However, we waited for the OP to leave after his little hissy fit and resumed discussion, and until you came back to "correct" us, we were pretty happy with how shit was turning out. I imagine we might continue this in another thread tomorrow, as stated in >>4532589. Two of us even made up over a tiff we had previously. Why are you so incapable of being a part of this discussion rather than trying to control it?

What if... stay with me here... what if, both drugs are "commonly available" drugs of the goopunk future. "Juice" is a party drug, and "control" being for more harcore users etc. But the GEL, is an inevitably and accidentally discovered side effect of using both at once?

>>4532996
That means there's "goo" in it. You can't say "no goonimals" because it's "goopunk".

"There's no goo because there's goo"?

>>4533029
People might actually have voted for different things in this thread, or the thread in general. It doesn't back up everything you say because there are votes for a thread in which you said something.

>>4533034
Now you've just gone back to being fucking retarded. I'm not going to respond to that sort of crap, sorry.

>>4533068
durr hurr no counter-argument?

>>4533033
That's not a bad idea at all. The goo is a bioresponsive party toy that suddenly got hardcore when someone on the control drug dosed it...I like it

>>4533083
Neat, I'm helping. Also, I'm loving the idea of the party drug actually being called "juice".

How do I vote to archive this thread?

>>4533095
That settles it, we'll call the goo "juice". I think most people were already doing just that a while ago, in fact. So, what do we call the control drug? That one causes hyperfocus, paranoia and aggression, like tweaking. What's a good street name for that?

>>4533099
Nevermind, disregard that, I'm retarded.

>>4533119
Well, I was thinking that there is no goo or gel, until the drugs are taken together. Juice is just some LSD like party drug that the kids take. The control drug, is a street drug, highly addictive etc. etc. Someone stupid or high decided to use them together, and WHAM, awesome Gel substance.
But that's just how my head is creating the setting.
Also, resisting the intense desire to call the control drug "powder". Juice+Powder = Gel. lawl.

How about just Juice and Tweak as street names
maybe Goo and Mold.

Maybe I've missed something, but if the goo can change density, why can it not create viable appendages? not having a skeletal structure is not a legitimate argument. After all, a Jellyfish does not have a skeleton and it has appendages that are useful, and the reason why it can have these limbs is that it is roughly the same density of water.

Also, what specifically happens if a person were to overdose on the goo, if it only harms the user, that's fine, but what if there are other side effects. Maybe a sudden increase in control over the goo and an equivalent increase in disturbing hallucinations. If this is the case, the dangers of goo use will quickly become a problem for any society that cannot curb addiction.

If controllers are rare, perhaps that is because you need to overdose but not die to become a controller, because the overdose causes a bonding effect with the user's brain functions.

>>4533141
Tweak is speed, though. Maybe something like "glass" or "zone"? I guess Juice is steroids, too. Maybe we can ignore the real-world analogs and just roll with Juice and Tweak?

>>4533139
What we've been working with so far is that Juice is a gel that's biomimetic (can mimic biological structures and functions) and kinesthetic (controlled the same way you control your body). It acts like an extension of your nervous system and lets you link to the nervous systems of other Juice users and enchance your sensory perception, as well as being a potent psychedelic drug. See >>4532040 and >>4532326 for some use descriptions. Adding the control makes users able to focus and direct the goo, enabling all sorts of cool shit like 360 degree vision and bone spikes, but at the cost of both tripping balls and being an agro, tweaky motherfucker.

>>4533158 why can it not create viable appendages? not having a skeletal structure is not a legitimate argument

Well, I think the only problem is semantics. We've talked about tentacles and pseudopods being just fine, but an arm would be impossible because a skeletal structure is necessary. That's how humans can move and carry things that jellyfish can't. However, you already have a skeleton of your own, so the goo can be used to augment the strength of your own limbs to a certain degree.

Aww man, I'm just coming up with fluff and names now, lol. I'm always better at that.

Name: Biomimetic Kinesthetic Gel
Street Names: Goo, The Goo, Skinsuit, Mime,
Military Slang: Powergel, Psycho Skin, Superpowers.

I'm seeing it as a translucent, blue-ish gel substance, like the shit in a cold compress, or something similar.

>>4533202
For the goo/juice, "Jello". As for the control drug, I like "glass".

>>4533238
I'm liking those names. Good work, man. Too bad the stupid archive doesn't go down this far...

>>4533202
Ah, ok. That makes sense.
I still like my >>4533033 idea though. Some control user gets invited to a party, gets asked to take the juice, trips balls and kills everyone with super goo powers. New substance discovered.

>>4533278
I do too, I'm just saying that Juice/Jello is gel. You drink it and it oozes out your pores - then you play with it and trip balls. However, having a random tweaker get invited to a juice party and find out that he can do crazy shit with it is perfect.

>>4533249
Doesn't it check for updates?

>>4533295
yea, or you can force asn update I think

>>4533278
That would also justify it starting at street-level, rather than being a classified piece of military tech. Of course the .mil and .gov people get involved after the "Butcher of Baker St" incident and shit gets classified after that, but the story gets out and people make the connection on their own. BAM, the world gets all goodark.

is the gel the only part of this universe? I mean, are there any other things from the gel family which might need to be thought out?

>>4533585
You have a point. Other than the OP, none of us have talked much about the world in which this takes place. I envisioned it to be near-future, crime-ridden and urbanized. Obviously this society has a big drug culture, possibly fueled by economic depression or simply nihilistic boredom (clockwork orange-esque)

"Kinesthetic" is just as bullshit as the gel directly picking up brainwaves. If you move your arm, the gels not going to know if you meant to just move your arm or if you meant to shoot gel-blades.

The body simply doesn't have the range of actions which correspond to that level of complexity in command, unless you tie the whole thing to sign-language or something (hurr durr naruto hand-seals).

If ever time you squeeze your hand you shoot gel-whips you're going to basically misfire all over the place because you have no safety trigger.