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    297 KB Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:08 No.4575516  
    Zombie Hunters.

    Mercies are the coolest zombie type ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:11 No.4575531
    waiting for hot zombie sexings
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:12 No.4575533
    Because they say HURR?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:17 No.4575552
    Because they have some of the merciful kills by zombies, only taking enough of a bite to sever your jugular, and then holding you and stroking your hair as you bleed out.

    Good for people that are committing suicide.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:21 No.4575565

    What, a painful, lingering death is better than someone just biting your throat out and having it be over in seconds? No thanks!
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)09:27 No.4575598
    Oh, I couldn't see shit cuz of my monitor, that the zombie was a girl. Sure, I'd be all for that. Its not really suicide since you become a zombie afterwards. It'd be a little fucking awkward if it was a morbidly obese zombie that wanted to cuddle...
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)10:56 No.4576043
    Can't wait to see a hunter and/or berserker attack in this comic. Given the pretty decent quality so far, I expect VIOLENCE and GORE.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:01 No.4576061
    Me too man.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:02 No.4576071
    I'm thinking the Aryan boy will have been killed either by that Hunter following them, or a Berserker later on in the story.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:07 No.4576098
    Mercies are a true bro zom type, they protect new zombies from being torn up by other zombies
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:21 No.4576172
    Other good zombie comics:

    This one reminds me of an AFMBE game I ran. Has similar elements; one character is a career criminal, another a waitress, and there's a psychopathic fry-cook running around. Also features a lovably stupid plumber who's got a real hardon for the Ancient Romans and the many facets of their culture, and a side-plot involving the waitress' fiance.

    This one's pretty slow to build at first. It's about a married couple and their struggle to live a 'normal' life without any other humans nearby and zombies showing up on the front lawn. Recently took an awesome twist involving a roving survivor group who are looking for people that are 'immune' to the zombie vector.

    I'm hoping the eventual berzerker attack involves a lot of blunt force trauma and broken limbs. Over a series of pages. For a single victim.
    The hunter attack, I'm thinking one of the original group gets assigned to another group as leader, and the whole team gets taken down one at a time.

    I am very pleased with the appearance of the Mercy zombie, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:24 No.4576199
    He has... a trench spike. Max Brooks is famous.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:25 No.4576202
    Zombie attacks person.
    A few people get infected.
    Police come and shoot rambling, moaning attackers in the face.
    Zombie apocalypse does not occur.

    Alernate ending:
    Lots of people get infected.
    People are made aware of the threat.
    Military come along and shoot rambling, moaning attacks in the face.
    Zombie apocalypse averted.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:26 No.4576210
    Actually they are called Mercy zombies because they come up to you and cuddle you like a child with their sad, dead eyes until you give them a mercy kill.

    At least to best of my knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:27 No.4576212
    Do you read anything at all? Like, any genre, any book? Any fiction?
    >> Merle !ApPkmtJbAE 05/17/09(Sun)11:28 No.4576224
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    Alternate alternate ending:

    Zombie plague is spread through a windborne vector, or ALL corpses turn into zombies, no matter the cause of death.

    Zombie apocalypse occurs with great speed, as only people naturally immune or not immediately exposed to the plague survive the initial outbreak.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:29 No.4576234
    If I ever run a zombipocalypse game, zombies will be able to be restored to human with some pretty straightforward medical procedures, though wounds still have to be accounted for. Every time you BOOM HEADSHOT, you're killing someone that could have been saved. They're also very resistant to tazers and basically immune to tear gas, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:40 No.4576307
    Half-arsed poetry of Everyday Decay is bugging the shit out of me.
    >> I CLUB SEALS 05/17/09(Sun)11:41 No.4576314
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    Sad looking zombies image dump?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:46 No.4576360
    This is a through and through sign of someone who's only played video games.

    Real life police and military are trained to aim for the torso, since it is the largest body mass and therefore the easiest to hit. They will always shoot the torso, and never the face. Hence why they almost always get pwn'd in zombie movies.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:47 No.4576368
    I always wanted a scenario where the undead "break through" the mindlessness. Like after the zombiepocalypse, nobody goes to Australia for a long ass time. After a few decades without anyone to feed on, the zombies become intelligent and peaceable.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:51 No.4576397

    So many fucking soldiers swarm and shoot the target that it would be irrelevant whether its hajji or a zombie, and they drive around in hueg convoys of armored trucks and APCs which would plow through everything.

    Also, soldiers are trained during reflex firing to target the head if the torso shots don't work because the enemy might be wearing armor. Srsly.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:52 No.4576404
    You didn't answer my question:
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:54 No.4576416
    Your question wasn't addressed to me, so I don't give a shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:55 No.4576420
    Day of the Dead zombies learn to use guns. Is that peaceable enough for you?

    I thought zombie apocalypses was the most fucking romantic thing ever. Just you and your beloved, with society falling to pieces. No future to worry about, no disapproval to care about, no one to look after but yourselves. No long term anxiety - just day-to-day pragmatism. Live for the moment. Fantastic sex in the outdoors. Bond through harrowing escapes and stuff.

    Then my girlfriend told me if there was ever a zombie apocalypse she'd kill herself immediately.

    I :('d

    But seriously though, anyone who likes zombie apocalypse scenarios is secretly convinced that they could survive it. For a while at least.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:58 No.4576443
    We're also trained to double-tap. While CS-style "spray for the chest" tactics don't really work, once you get used to the recoil of your rifle, double-tapping does allow for fairly consistent headshots, at least on slow-moving targets. My OC once demonstrated by firing a full thirty round magazine in forty seconds at a standing-figure target. Fifteen to the chest, fifteen to the head.

    Really, though, if a lone zombie is a hundred and fifty metres away from you and moving in a straight line towards you, there's really no excuse not to plug him in the head with your first shot. It's when there's tons of them, or fast zombies, that the theory goes to hell.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)11:59 No.4576451

    I hope there is a way to create something like a zombie virus. Who doesn't want to see the world fucking burn?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:01 No.4576457
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:02 No.4576463
    zombies who aren't mindless=fail!!!!
    they are (un)dead, they can't evolve
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:03 No.4576471
    Yeah, most people don't do nihilism.
    >> I CLUB SEALS 05/17/09(Sun)12:04 No.4576474
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    wait seriously?

    They are rather boring otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:04 No.4576475
    Does this shit actually get good at any point, 25 pages in and it seems to be about supakawii jailbait having an arguments while blatant author-insert guy saves them all. Where the zombie action eggman?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:04 No.4576480

    I actually like the world. I've got good friends, a comfortable job & a very satisfying love life.

    Fuck zombies.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:04 No.4576482
    You know, assuming the zombie outbreak is survivable (barely), it'd be interesting to see how reconstruction goes. Not post-apocalyptic Mad Max style reconstruction, but how the world recovers assuming it can recover.

    Money would have lost almost all its value. Values would be much more back-to-basics. The establishment that let the disaster happen would lose a huge amount of credibility. Survivors would have experienced, for a time at least, true solitude and self-reliance. Whoever survives the outbreak would be either smart, capable, lucky, or a survivalist /k/ommando maniac.

    I wonder if the world after Z-day would be a better one or a worse one.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:07 No.4576499
    Zombie scenarios are generally more about the people than the zombies. Directors just tend to have a cast full of dicks, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:07 No.4576500
    I think it's silly to assume infrastructure will completely dissolve, and likewise silly to assume the armed forces, police and civilians will not adapt quickly to the changed environment. Humanity is consistently overrated as a whole and underrated as a group.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:08 No.4576502
    >I wonder if the world after Z-day would be a better one or a worse one.
    It'd be exactly the same, except that technology and science would have to start over yet again.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:08 No.4576505
    Just because you like your car doesn't mean the fireball of its inevitable explosion when it hits 0 HP won't be beautiful
    >> Calgar !!E6uXE2v0isQ 05/17/09(Sun)12:08 No.4576508
    better..wed lose a lot of chaff and social parasites...
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:09 No.4576511
    well it SURE AS FUCK!!!!! wouldn't work as the survival of the fittest and then they evolve their brain because they use it
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:10 No.4576515
    I don't think this is completely true either. Zombies will have no interest in science or technology, so the materials will sitll be there when it's time for us to use them again.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:12 No.4576526
    What a load of bullshit. In any major disaster, the people affected have very limited abilities to determine their own fates. You can't say we would lose so-and-so because there is no possible way to conclude that. What would happen is that a large number of useless attitudes - 'mexicans can't work', 'poor people are stupid', 'women can't do mechanical stuff' would go flying out the window, at least for the duration of the crisis.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:12 No.4576529
    >Survivors would have experienced, for a time at least, true solitude and self-reliance.

    You stand alone - you fall alone. We're gonna be pretty well off without your kind anyway.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:15 No.4576546
    Which is why I think the world would be a better place. Society becomes momentarily united against a common foe (assuming survival; in the survivors-fight-amongst-themselves scenario we're headed for Fallout 3) and misconcepts must be discarded, values re-evaluated.

    Yeah, it's not like zombies are deliberate saboteurs or anything. As long as a few eggheads survive it's not like we'll completely forget how to farm or generate electricity or whatever.

    Personally I'd love to have a hidey-hole somewhere I can watch some dumb chav try to bottle his zombie mate in the face only to have his arm gnawed off while he screams OI! OI'M TELLIN' ME MUVVER!
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:18 No.4576567
    >>misconcepts must be discarded, values re-evaluated.
    >>dumb chav
    >>I'd enjoy watching someone die

    Urgh... I feel offended that you agree with me.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:19 No.4576571
    Most people know very little outside of their specific field of knowledge and half the time what they know wouldn't even be useful in a dark ages scenario because our society is built around advanced technology. Do you know how to blacksmith, farm or run a power station? Plus most science journals don't even publish hard copies anymore, most of the scientific advancements from the last decade or so would be totally lost unless the data were rescued from the database hard drives within a few years of the power going out.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:19 No.4576578
    Solitude as in not having a cohesive 'society' to fall back on. No public opinion, no social institutions, no services etc.

    I do think that anyone who survives will have been part of one of the following:
    1) extremely small group, ie a family unit with a prepared shelter, or in an isolated location
    2) medium size group, about twenty people, who either knew each other before or are lucky enough to get along
    3) large group with a clear-cut hierarchy and chain of command (a company of soldiers in a fortified barracks).

    Democracy won't work, and disagreements + improvised weaponry + high stress levels tend to breed brawls and more corpses.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:20 No.4576583
    Why on earth would everyone with this knowledge die, all the hard copies of the knowledge be ruined, or humanity be unable to power an area with a secure perimeter?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:22 No.4576596
    That only happens in movies, real people don't just flip out kill members of their own group, especially when the group is under threat from outside aggressors.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:23 No.4576598
    If you had chavs where you're at, you would agree with me on this one.

    It's not like I'm suggesting we'd immediately be able to put satellites in space or build another LHC or something - but essentials, like agriculture, construction, and medicine, should survive. I mean, sure, specialists would be few and far between, but assuming it doesn't take three decades or some bullshit to put the zombies down, they'd still be there, and skills can be trained.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:23 No.4576602
    Well...yeah. That's kinda the point.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:24 No.4576610
    >>No public opinion, no social institutions, no services etc.
    I have no idea why you consider this to be true.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:25 No.4576616
    >>If you had chavs where you're at, you would agree with me on this one.
    I live in Britain. Accept that this argument is flawed.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:25 No.4576617
    Real people? Real people will do whatever occurs to them in the heat of the moment. 'Real' people aren't always rational ones, or intelligent ones.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:26 No.4576623
    In fact it's the only time people don't bicker or have insane amount of infighting is when a threat is fucking there.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:26 No.4576626
    >blatant author-insert guy
    Author's a chick, dude. Good job.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:26 No.4576630
    There's a difference between discarding unwarranted prejudices and wanting a legitimately idiotic person to get fragged.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:27 No.4576640
    Sometimes they are. Any group which proceeds in a rational manner will have an increased chance of survival over a group which does not.
    >>Real people will do whatever occurs to them in the heat of the moment
    Such shite.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:28 No.4576643
    So do I. Really? You'd want chavs in post-apocalypse reconstruction-era Britain? Huh. I suppose it takes all sorts. I really do think society can do with trimming the fat once in a while.

    My point is that not everyone who considers themselves a guaranteed survivor is actually likely to be one.

    -shrug- I suppose it depends on your definition of 'apocalypse' in the context of 'zombie apocalypse'. If you're imagining a Shaun of the Dead scenario when a few days after outbreak the military comes back and saves everyone, I guess you'd be right. I'm expecting something a little more extreme though.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:29 No.4576653
    Authors can change minor details when they insert themselves.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:29 No.4576659
    Everyone would survive a zombie outbreak because zombies are slow and dumb
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:30 No.4576671
    A) Because the number of people who actually have 'this knowledge' is roughly fuck all, especially in the case of farming without modern technology, which is a possibility.
    B)What hard copies?
    C)Power it with what? Even if you can find someone who knows how to run a powerplant of any sort, you still have to fuel it with something.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:32 No.4576680
    >>So do I. Really? You'd want chavs in post-apocalypse reconstruction-era Britain? Huh. I suppose it takes all sorts. I really do think society can do with trimming the fat once in a while.
    Obviously you do, that's why I mentioned that I did also. I see no reason to typify a specific group of people as unworthy to survive - I've met plently of chavs who I'd be happy to have with me in a crisis situation, and others who I wouldn't be so pleased with. To carry on your analogy, getting some exercise is always more desirable than just cutting the fat away.

    >>-shrug- I suppose it depends on your definition of 'apocalypse' in the context of 'zombie apocalypse'. If you're imagining a Shaun of the Dead scenario when a few days after outbreak the military comes back and saves everyone, I guess you'd be right. I'm expecting something a little more extreme though.
    Even in a years long zombie apocalypse I would not expect the military or civil infrastructure to collapse completely.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:33 No.4576695
    Fuel it with fuel. From fuel stockpiles.

    You don't need to know how complicated apparatus works to actually operate it assuming it's in working condition. And I think it's fairly safe to assume that whatever has been published in journals so cutting edge that they don't bother with hardcopies is unlikely to be 'survival essential', it being so advanced and all.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:37 No.4576722
    >Fuel it with fuel. From fuel stockpiles.
    What fuel stock piles, where? Would the average person even know where to begin looking for a oil or coal 'stock pile'?

    >You don't need to know how complicated apparatus works to actually operate it
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:41 No.4576750
    >Democracy won't work, and disagreements + improvised weaponry + high stress levels tend to breed brawls and more corpses.

    Democracy was pretty much the first form of gouvernment after we stopped living in herds. We usually elected our leaders for the duration of a crisis with the option of stabbing them in the back/drowning them in the bathtube as soon as they turned out to be a liability.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:42 No.4576755
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    Good save, fag.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:42 No.4576756
    I think, seriously, the big problem will be toiletries.

    I'm talking about things like tissue paper. Deodorant. American society at large is so concerned with image, despite raging obesity, that we're not used to the way people really smell after a few days of digging trenches and erecting barricades.

    There's an increasing number of people with eczema in America. These people can get a rash from sweat and sebum. That's right. THEY GET A RASH FROM SOMETHING THEIR SKIN PRODUCES NATURALLY.

    That's how I see my wife going. Not by zombies (she's a black belt, and we go shooting on the range on weekends), but because she gets into a shootout over an Aveeno stockpile.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:43 No.4576764
    Can you build a car with your bare hands? No? Then obviously you can't drive one! Can you forge a knife? No? Then obviously you can't use one to cut vegetables! Can you program an operating system? No? Obviously you can't be on the internet because you can't use a computer!

    If equipment required its user to be so thoroughly familiar with its use and construction that he could BUILD IT HIMSELF, claymore mines wouldn't have THIS WAY TOWARDS ENEMY on them. Machines are built by people who know how they work for people who know how to work them to use. Sometimes, these people overlap. Yes, extreme technical expertise and theoreticaly know-how on the part of the operator does make his efforts safer/more effective. It's not always a prerequisite.

    I'm not suggesting everyone find a fuel stockpile in their backyard. All it takes is one person to find one. Would it be difficult? Yes. IMPOSSIBLE? Hardly.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:46 No.4576781
    Consider as well that some elements of the government are likely to survive and wish to retain their role. This will help with finding rare or difficult to locate supplies.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:47 No.4576790
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:48 No.4576800
    >>democracy was the first form of government
    >>tribal chieftains

    Unless you're referring to tanistry or something similar, in which case the vote was so highly restricted that it cannot be compared to contemporary democracy.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:51 No.4576830
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    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:52 No.4576835
    Jesus Christ you fail, there's a big fucking difference between learning how to use simple, intuitive tools like knives and the internet through trial and error and operating a power-station which has THOUSANDS of intricate systems that all need to be in working order for the thing to even run. Then even if you could achieve that you would have to know how the power grid was run and maintained in order to actually power anything which is yet thousands more systems that you would have to work out. Just shut the fuck up.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)12:52 No.4576842
    I personally just want to see how many people shit themself silly when all their preconcieved notions of life and death are thrown out the window, and something that they firmly believed could not happen does.

    Because nothing shatters your worldview like seeing a corpse walking your direction. The shock and awe value would be what kills most of the casualties in a zombie apocalypse.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:53 No.4576843
    Ok then. Explain how you would use a generator to provide an area with electric light, hot water, and warmth. Where would you get the fuel for it? If it broke, how would you fix it? There's a difference between using something that was made to be used by pretty much anyone, and actually trying to make use of a more complicated set of tools.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:53 No.4576845
    Any chance this could be archived? It's a fairly interesting 'zombie apocalypse' (or apocalypse in general) thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:54 No.4576856
    So, guys, how many of you have a zombie plan? I do.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:57 No.4576881
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    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:57 No.4576882
    -shrug- Start small. Some generators are the size of a tool-box. You could use one to light up a room. Some can light up a house. Eventually, once the pressure to SURVIVE starts to wane, reverse-engineer, tinker, explore. Any sufficiently complicated machinery will come with manuals and so on. I'm not suggesting it will be easy, but I don't think it'll be impossible either.

    If gun-tards on /k/ can come up with a schematic to build a home-made shotgun, some civil engineer could rig up a modest-sized waterwheel with a dynamo to light up/warm his house. Then, compare what we've built with the relics left behind.

    It's not like it's goddamn alien future technology or something like that.

    Would a zombie apocalypse make people more religious... or less?
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)12:58 No.4576884
    I do. I doubt it'll work, because of the human factor, but hey.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)12:58 No.4576891
    The zombie looks like a fa/tg/uy.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)12:59 No.4576902
    I think a bit of both. If I had to guess, it'd polarize the population. People would either become hyperfaithful, or not at all.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:00 No.4576912
    It would depend on the person. Definitely there should be an expected increase in extremist beliefs of all kinds. After a scientific reason for the infection is found though, I think we'd settle down to about our usual level. It's possible that such an event would really be a chance for the churches to 'do good' on a more public scale than usual and hence gain some more believers/respect of prestige for their actions.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:02 No.4576927
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:02 No.4576934
    >some civil engineer
    Good job, you just completely contradicted your entire argument.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:03 No.4576947
    >Would a zombie apocalypse make people more religious... or less?

    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:03 No.4576951
    My plan is:
    Pack all of my accessible family, friends, food, water and useful equipment into our cars and head for a disused quarry (filled with water) that I know of in middle of the bush then live off bush yams and fish and fail at killing wallabies until we could work out how to farm something useful.
    If we didn't make it to the quarry then we would have to roll with it (die).
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:05 No.4576962
    No, he didn't. What, are the only people that survive going to be those without useable skills of any kind?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:05 No.4576964
    Why? Because there won't be a single civil engineer left? I'm not suggesting that retards and five year olds will rebuild civilization - just that the few specialists who DO remain should be able to come up with something to keep us chugging along.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:06 No.4576975
    My plan: grab as much nonperishable shit and bottled water as I can from the local foodstuff shops on campus (thank God for can openers!), and hole up in my dorm. 7 floors up, with large, heavy, deadbolted doors. Barricade the stairs just in case with the extra beds, and kill the elevators.


    Once the initial shock and pandemonium's worn off, make a break for the boonies and head west with all haste.

    If not for the other people in the world, it'd be perfect.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:06 No.4576976
    In a total collapse humanity would be flat out farming enough food to survive the next winter, and the winter after that, and the one after that and so on for decades; there's fuck all chance that you're going to be wasting time or petrol trying to run or reverse engineer small electric generator to make electricity for shit you don't even need.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:07 No.4576980
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:09 No.4576993
    If you've ever had to work with a civil engineering you'll be painfully aware that it is not a useful skill.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:09 No.4576997
    Keep your dirty mitts off my quarry.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:09 No.4576998
    The collapse wouldn't necessarily be total, though.

    I'm situated in quite a good area. Nearby me there's a large supermarket and, 10 minutes away from that, a workshop build specially for blind people to work in in a run-down industrial area. The workshop has one open glass door that a car can be parked in front of, two heavy doors and no windows on the ground floor.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:10 No.4577008
    Subsitence farming is made a metric fuckton easier with the advent of refridgerators. Not to mention all the wonderful breeds of motorized farming tool, water pumps for irrigation, etc. Not everybody's lucky enough to live in good, fertile ground.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:10 No.4577009
    Didn't know about this comic. Read it all in a few minutes. Now I am depressed. Fuck you all.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:10 No.4577011
    >there's large looted building that used to be a supermarket
    What use is that? :|
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:12 No.4577021
    I'm situated so close to that place you would have to be inside it to get there any faster than I am.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:13 No.4577031
    >>humanity would be flat out farming enough food to survive the next winter
    Or you know, not, in countries where winter isn't a problem. 3 billion people live in the tropics and subtropics. No winter. Ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:13 No.4577033
    You're not going to be wasting fuel for any of that shit because even if you were lucky enough to live near a pristine service station that shit will be gone in a few months unless it's literally you.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:14 No.4577040

    Head-hunter tribes are oftentimes ruled by classes defined through age and through having undergone certain rites of passage together. The old people usually would like to live the quiet life and in contrast to them stand the younger folks, who're still warriors and would rather smack somebody over the head, take skalps and steal women. Those warriors usually had an elected leader. Both groups try to define the politics of their tribe to the benefit of their own age group through a quasi-democratic process. Mostly because everyone's gonna be caught up in the shit-storm if even a single person fucks up with the neighbour.

    That's an example of a very primitive society and that sort of organisation probably came before the Big Warrior Man somehow managed to monopolize many religious and economic functions around his war-group.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:16 No.4577062
    Someday, just to fuck with people I want to write a zombie movie where the rugged survivalist gets killed by zombies and the people who work together all survive.

    You never see that.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577081
    Most of those people live in India bro, they still get winter plus they also get violent floods and rain during the monsoon season.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577083
    thats because nobody survives a zombie apocalypse.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577086
    There's a lovely kind of tool known to mankind as a still. Alcohol can, in a pinch, fuel a good many breed of generator. Congradulations, mate, for not helping your point any. Besides which, if you're stopping at a service station for gas with zombies walking around, you're just asking for it.

    Thank you, try again?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577088
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    What happens ten years down the road when the fuel and spares start running out?

    This picture, for instance, represents a one day supply of coal for an electrical power plant.

    not a month, not a week, but a single day.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577091
    Like, the cocky biker gets caught by a zombie and the government guy he was arguing with earlier is the only guy that's noticed, and he's just leaving. Then he shoots the zombie in the head and he's like, 'Watch it, man. We need everyone we can get right now.'
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:18 No.4577092
    In a zombie apocalypse, I'd probably die.

    I can hold down the fort easy, but unless I connected with a group I'd run out of resources in a few weeks. I am creative enough to makeshift what I need but unless there's someone to watch my back when something breaks down, I'd be fucked.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:20 No.4577102
    ... Not sure that idea is backed up by either anthropology or archaeology. I mean, it's a nice myth, but it comes from the 1800s-1970s habit of assuming that 'if they be negroes they be primitives'.

    So called 'primitive societies' are often far more complex than they appear.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:21 No.4577122
    Who elected the leaders? The warriors? The women? Everyone? Were all men warriors? Could women be warriors?

    Also, [citation required]

    >>live in India
    And Africa, and Indonesia, and Latin America, etc etc

    Okay. When the world goes up in smoke, the rest of us will be over here sharing resources and trying to work together, and you can go back to attempting to dig up roots with your lower canines. No harm, no foul.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:21 No.4577124
    And what is alcohol made from? Food crops.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:23 No.4577133
    An electrical power plant that supplies energy to millions of people, most of whom WILL BE DEAD.

    Burn coal, fuel boiler, steam turbine -> POST-ZOMBIE STEAMPUNK
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:23 No.4577134
    +1 Archive plox.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:23 No.4577138
    Precisely. It seems like zombie movies always reward people who are paranoid, trigger happy loners, instead of people who actually try to cooperate.

    In my mind the opposite always made more sense...
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:24 No.4577143

    Welcome to the winning team, friend.
    Let's go hit up a hospital, get a nice quiet bite.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:25 No.4577150
    Yup. But unless you're suggesting that all crops except for the ones you grow at the time of just up and vanish, or that somehow the gas will magically dissappear when all the people die, your argument is still flawed. Besides, the return value for having the proper tools to farm better will be worth the expenditure.

    Also. Won't be wasting fuel on electronics. Tell me, chief, what will I be using fuel on? Last I checked, drinking gasoline was unpleasant.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:25 No.4577152
    if you're not reproducing and trying to recreate society then why are you even scrounging to subsist?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:26 No.4577159


    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:27 No.4577167
    Because the movies do it for the viewing factor. I challenge anyone present to try and solo a zombie apocalypse. I hope you can find good, secure shelter every night, cus you gotta sleep sometime.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:30 No.4577202
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    Because only women can become zombies. All women are dead.


    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:32 No.4577217
    generator -> adaptor -> power. not hard.

    Generator broke? steal parts from nearby american automobiles, standardization (to the imperial system) means that any broken nuts, bolts, or other simple, easily breakable components could be found just wherever. If it breaks in a more complicated way, I either A. replace the broken bit with parts from another generator, or just replace it entirely. I then take apart the old one, to see what it's built like.

    Seriously, you 'tarded?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:32 No.4577219
    >>you're suggesting that all crops except for the ones you grow at the time of just up and vanish,

    For a surprising amount of modern crops, this is indeed the case. Wheat, for example, can't grow wild. It gets choked and killed by slightly non-ideal conditions. Every banana tree is a clone, reproducing via graft for the past few centuries. It takes some 500 pound of bananas to get a single viable seed.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:34 No.4577245
    not every banana just the ones you see in the supermarket. There are dozens of other species of bananas that aren't farmed.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:36 No.4577251
    Point taken.
    But canned food is eternal. And I'm pretty sure there's enough canned food on campus, much less in the local walmart, to feed a few hundred people for a year. With everything these days being on shelves waiting for a wave of mewling consumers to indulge in, there's going to be a great excess of nonperishables for the survivors. Assuming apocalypse style majority of population dies off, that is.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:36 No.4577258
    >imperial system
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:38 No.4577265
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:38 No.4577269
    Wait wait wait.

    I'm not the only person who reads this gem of a webcomic?

    Fuck year.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:38 No.4577270
    I know, we do the craziest things in 'murka. that's why I -specified- which system it was standardized to.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:40 No.4577289
    Grafting doesn't require SUPER HIGH TECHNOLOGY. It requires a knife, some soil, and some water. Last I checked, all of those things are likely to survive a zombie apocalypse.

    Unless zombies contaminate the ground upon decomposition, making all crops grown on the soil infectious as well.

    Oh shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:41 No.4577296
    >... Not sure that idea is backed up by either anthropology or archaeology. I mean, it's a nice myth, but it comes from the 1800s-1970s habit of assuming that 'if they be negroes they be primitives'.

    The part about headhunters? I've read that in a recent publication about conflict and conflict management in such societies.

    >So called 'primitive societies' are often far more complex than they appear.

    They certainly are. Still, it seems that as long as their numbers are small, people prefer to live in quasi-democratic societies. They are of course not democracies in any modern sense but they usually try to create consense amongst themselves and act united. Mostly because conflicts with any other groups'll potentially lead to their anihilation. Which is pretty much the situation present with Zombies around.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:41 No.4577301
    And Africa, and Indonesia, and Latin America, etc etc
    Africa and Indonesia have trouble feeding their populations as it is and most of latin america has shitty land (growing rain forest and bananas is not the same as grown food crops) and is not in the tropics anyway.

    What are you going to make the team turbine with, an anvil and hammer?

    Wow ok seriously, for starters you're not going to be using nearby arable land to grown biofuel if you want to eat and secondly you're not going to be trying to tend a field of barely or canola when you're trying to learn how to farm without machinery. Oh and by the way, can't run a tractor on alcohol, so unless you have some work animals you're plowing the hard way and carrying your barley from the next field by hand.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:42 No.4577305
    If that happens, you'll have to switch to hydroponics. Difficult, because you have to be sure to add nutrients to the water, which means you would have to have a compost heap or something. Or, have some nutrient chemical, but that would take a trip to the farmer's market waaaay at the edge of town- do you really wanna do that in a zombie situation?
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:43 No.4577314
    Now THAT would suck like nothing else. You'd have to fight like a demon to keep your dirt from getting tainted and screwing you to the wall. Now I've got visions of corrupt beef because of tainted grass...
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:45 No.4577336
    >Anvil and hammer?

    Actually, when we aren't using a machine, fabricators use a solid surface and a hammer to get the shape they want. That is how it is actually done, imagine that.

    Also, again, I grow half my food intake in my back yard. It could be ALL of my intake, but I like to waste space on flowers 'n' such. It is -not- hard to grow stuff, you get seeds and throw them in the dirt. If you want to be fancy, you PLANT the seeds. If you want to be SUPER fancy, you fertilize them.

    also, what primative society grows -wheat- as a primary food if agriculture is going to be a problem? We'll most likely be growing soy and tubers.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:46 No.4577339
    Haha no, go check the used by dates on some of your canned food.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:47 No.4577351
    2015 for my canned soups
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:48 No.4577366
    A friend of mine wants to do something similar. Have an action movie with an obvious protagonist. He's tough, strong, breaks all the rules for what he knows is right. Halfway through, he's chasing after the badguy on foot across a busy motorway, and gets hit by a truck and dies or gets put into a coma.

    The remainder of the movie would involve everyone else dealing with it. The villain wouldn't even need to come back or anything. But if he did, he'd probably fall in love with the dead 'hero''s wife/girlfriend, and eventually figure out that he's the reason so many lives were torn apart.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:48 No.4577371
    Once again, I point out the excess of nonperishables in the supermarkets. Tell me, I DARE YOU to tell me that'll all be gone. Secondly, no. Stock engines don't run on alcohol. But it is NOT hard to modify them to. All you need are basic tools that aren't going to go anywhere during an apocalypse, that most farmers have in ready supply.

    Also, seriously. Where the fuck are you getting that all the fuel's gonna up and vanish? That's my biggest question to your argument. You make it sound like we're going to the stone age again.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:48 No.4577372
    Read "Dies the Fire"

    It's not zombie apocalypse, but this is expressed in an incident in the novel to the point of even calling the soon to be deceased "survivalists."
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:49 No.4577384
    >>Africa and Indonesia have trouble feeding their populations as it is
    Boy, you're really not getting into this "lots of people die" scenario, are you?

    >>What are you going to make the team turbine with, an anvil and hammer?
    And a box of scraps! In a cave!

    Actually I'd just TAKE THE FUCKING THING.

    Also, wind power and water power - not reliant on fuels, doesn't have to generate electricity. A water mill is more than capable of pumping water and helping irrigation, as well as providing mechanical power for construction if necessary.

    >>some work animals you're plowing the hard way and carrying your barley from the next field by hand.
    I honestly don't see the problem in this.

    I mean, sure, you won't be able to do all this shit by yourself, but in a community? It won't be easy, but again, not impossible.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:50 No.4577388
    >I grow half my food intake
    I find that extremely hard to believe unless you live alone.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:51 No.4577392
    Zombie apocalypses don't end. You will ALWAYS be on the run. FOREVER. You will NEVER be able to "farm" or "produce" or do anthing but run.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)13:52 No.4577402
    If I can drink orange juice canned during the cold war around 1989 in the year 2008, with no ill effects, I'm pretty sure I can eat canned beets. Canned food can and has been proven to last up to thirty or more years. If pickles and venison can last 30 years, then I don't think there's much a problem here.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:52 No.4577409
    I don't, but they don't like my vegetables much.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:52 No.4577413
    When the apocalypse comes, there will be MAYBE 200 people left alive. Thats not enough to do SHIT.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:53 No.4577416
    It's not hard. My parents do the same thing. My dad's the only person gardening, and we usually produce too much of x vegetable to eat, and usually produce about 50% of our food.
    Also, he's not working on it too much. He runs a business, and does stonecarving.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)13:53 No.4577420
    Zombie apocalypses last for two or three hundred years minimum. Thats only realistic.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:15 No.4577578

    Man, your debating skills are impeccable.

    Read the rest of the thread.

    How is it not possible?

    Assume the following: if he's growing food, he has enough water to do so, and as much land as he requires, because everyone is dead. He eats eight potatoes a day. He requires 2,920 potatoes a year. Potatoes take four months to grow (May, June, July, August). Each potato plant yields an average of a dozen potatoes, size varying on time of harvest.

    He needs to plant 243 potato plants (2,920/12). Let's say you give each potato plant a very generous three feet of clearance. He has to plough 729 feet of soil. Let's say with the help of an animal or animals, he can plough and seed 120 feet of soil per day (or plant 40 plants).

    He should be able to plant all the plants he needs in about a week. He has 51 other weeks in the entire year to supplement his diet by hunting, planting other crops, and scavenging, not to mention attempt reconstruction and whatnot.

    1 week out of 52. That's leaving a significant margin for error. Sure, drought, famine and whatnot will take its toll on people. Nobody said it would be easy.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:20 No.4577622
    oh man, I love potatoes.

    I'm gonna grow some onions too, and some garlic.

    so delicious.

    Though, I don't like soy or most of the protein crops... maybe I'll live for a few years on protein suppliments? my local fitness store has enough to last me a year at least.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:26 No.4577691
    We started with zombie hunters and ended with Harvest Moon.

    Well played, /tg/
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:29 No.4577716
    How do you figure?

    Eventually, zombies rot. Under even ideal conditions they've got a shelf life of about 6 weeks, unless whatever makes them a zombie also keeps them disinfected, which would only prolong their lives another couple months before changing temperature and moisture breaks them down. Sure, if people were stupid and never learned from mistakes it'd last a while longer. This means for the plague to last very long at all new zombies will need to be made. Eventually it's all corpses in the streets.

    I'd say... fifty years. Within five years zombie avoidance/combat would be common knowledge, in ten the new population centers would be properly protected and there's be daily practices on dummies for zombie-killing techniques. Twenty years in, and people would talk about that last time, some seven years ago, when someone breached a protocol. Thirty years in, there'd be talk of a zombie spotted on the outskirts of town. Forty years in, we'd have teams of people clearing out old New York and other cities. By year 50, the only remaining zombies would be maybe the ones frozen in permafrost or kept in labs.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:30 No.4577723
    Zombie apocalypse will last a year at most, we will beat the dead back even before they decompose. That's where mandatory cremation goes in. And cremator squads for emergency burials. The first apocalypse to befall mankind will only create new jobs.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:32 No.4577747
    Long overdue. Time to get rid of all the useless elements in society. Like all those American fatties eating the world to death.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:34 No.4577762
    oh shit- I've signed up for a course in undertaking, I'll be going in a few months.

    Zombies would be the best thing EVER for me!
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:36 No.4577779

    Hrm. Hiro: Combat Undertaker! This will be my next BESM campaign!
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:40 No.4577823
    What, so you'll be stuck in a morgue with hundreds of the walking dead?

    I think >>4577779 is going to be a short campaign.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:40 No.4577830
    I always planned to drive far up into the hills and live in my mom's family cabin, barricade the two large double doors with a row boats.I'll hunt and fish during the summer and hopefully gather enough canned food to survive the winter.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:42 No.4577847
    dude, if you knew anything about undertaking, this wouldn't be a problem. Any dead you get basically have their internals solidified with preservative. It would be like being attacked by an action figure with three points of articulation.

    Also, the local morgue is built like a fucking fort. I assume this is similar everywhere.
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    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:43 No.4577868
    though, this is a good point. From now on, I'm doing all my undertaking with a loaded weapon.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:45 No.4577884
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    Your zombie apolacypse? It will have to get in the line.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)14:50 No.4577932
    I start hearing hooves, and I'm running for the fucking hills.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:55 No.4577991
    ladies and gentlemen, I believe /tg/ just stopped the zombie outbreak with a little bit of information.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)14:59 No.4578039
    Uhm... Farmers would be the LAST to die in a zombie apocalypse. Seriously. They live alone out in the wilderness. They're not going to be set upon by zombies.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)15:03 No.4578079
    Go to a modern farm. I assure you, there is incredibly little wilderness involved.
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    There are tractors, however. What the fuck are zombies going to do about this motherfucker?
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)15:07 No.4578121
    Wait for him to have to refuel?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)15:10 No.4578147
    >>4578121 Wait
    Zombies. I mean, zombies. Really?
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)15:12 No.4578170

    >Good, Fertile Ground.

    You fail at botany. GFG does not exist, certain crops grow well in certain areas(EXCEPT AUSTRALIA, THEY HAVE NOT HAD AN EARTHQUAKE SINCE THE GREAT SAURIAN LIZARDS DIED OFF). I will enjoy eating a steady supply of squash, asparagus, tomatoes, and potatoes, with strawberries for variety once I get my ass out to the badlands of new mexico.
    >> The Wayward Guardsman 05/17/09(Sun)15:14 No.4578186
    Yup. Zombies. Never said it was likely.
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)15:15 No.4578192
    >>4578170 badlands of new mexico

    You have any idea how hard it is to grow shit here? I mean, seriously. The pueblo indians ate corn and beans for a fucking reason (HINT: it wasn't because they liked corn and fucking beans).
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)15:16 No.4578201
    >> Anonymous 05/17/09(Sun)17:49 No.4579213
    Perhaps no wilderness, but they still live out in the boonies away from people.

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