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    24 KB Stupid, Stupid Monsters Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:19 No.4728506  
    There's something I've noticed about certain monsters in fantasy, specifically Dungeons and Dragons, but they turn up everywhere: a number of Monsters that are, frankly, uncompelling, pointless, and non-sensical. Its hard/impossible to feature then in a work of fiction without making it rather...stupid.

    Unsurprisingly, many come from greek mythology, as the greek's idea of an interesting monster was to stick parts from three different animals into one animal and pretend it was cool (chimera, griffin, satyr, ect).

    But the one that really bugs me is merfolk. Who the hells uses merfolk in any setting anymore? Their entire inception was basically a poorly-thought-out sailor fantasy combined with staggeringly poor sightings of manatees.

    Luckily, for the most part, merfolk have been replaced whole-cloth with Lovecraftian Fish-men, and the genre is the better for it.

    Alot of the really stupid monsters found themselves shoehorned into the Fey creature type. We have the sometimes cool, sometimes stupid creatures of Brittish Isles folklore having to endure being lumped alongside nymphs and satyrs.

    Greek Mythology sucks. The only reason its still around is because the entire western world has always had this enormous boner for greek culture, so much so that we have to learn their mythology in middle school english.

    Any thoughts on this strange, out-of-the-blue rant?

    (one thing to add: 4th edition rather effectively removed merfolk. I applaud Wizards for it.)
    >> Trap 06/01/09(Mon)01:23 No.4728548
    you make a reasonable argument and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:25 No.4728575
    While I have nothing to add, I do find your point interesting and valid, and I applaud your astute observations.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:30 No.4728621
    Chimera was here, your argument is invalid.

    Honestly I feel the worst monsters of DnD are the ones made up for the game itself. Sometimes they're really cool, but many times they're just retarded. From the Cloaker to the Ravid, whoever designs some of these monsters clearly thinks that stupid things are scary/awesome. This is especially evident in 3.5 when they started making a ton of Monster Manuals and clearly couldnt fill them; apparently their strategy was to just throw more arms and eyes on shit and call it a day.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:32 No.4728642
    If it helps, I take my monsters from neither Greek mythology nor D&D.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:34 No.4728657
    Greek mythology is awesome so fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:34 No.4728659
    I'd still rather have merfolk be introduced into a game I was playing than godamn orcs and goblins and trolls AGAIN
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:39 No.4728701
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    I don't have the picture saved, but the rainbow winged wolf creature makes me break out in hives every time i see it used in a game.

    And while OP makes an interesting, I'm going to disagree. The origins are somewhat silly, but it's really easy to adapt merfolk to a magic using setting. The sea is full of food, resources, spell components, etc., and sooner or later even the most absent-minded wizard is going to notice that. The less scrupulous among them might even go so far in their attempt to harvest the oceans to create a slave race of half fish, half men to expedient the process. Over time, the wizard either loses control of his slaves or a few escape. And while their origin still has a flavor of the grimdark of Innsmouth fishmen, it does so in a way that could maintain the classic aesthetic of merfolk.

    Have a fish.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:41 No.4728715
    Fuck you, I like the Chimera, and merfolk are going to be the staple of my setting.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:41 No.4728716
    I disagree with your statements OP but I do not sage threads because I disagree with them.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:41 No.4728721
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    >Stupid, Stupid Monsters
    Pic related.

    The Greeks did that too, sometimes. See hecatonchieres.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:42 No.4728737
    When I said the origins are somewhat silly, I meant the origins of the merfolk myth, sailor fantasies and lol porpoise/manatee sightings.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:42 No.4728738
    The Chimera was a one of a kind monster though.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:46 No.4728764
    I've seen this chick floating (ahaha) around- where's she from?
    >> I CLUB SEALS 06/01/09(Mon)01:47 No.4728781
    MtG ditched merfolk as being sea-based and running them.

    In doing them in Lorwyn/Shadowmor they were masters of the river systems, either doing trading or pirating the fuck out of people.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:47 No.4728786
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    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)01:50 No.4728809
    yup, that's the one

    the merfolk of mtg, while making mediocre decks, were pretty badass back in the day

    i don't remember the artist's name, but the one time i thought i had tracked it down i found a surprisingly large amount of guro.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:01 No.4728904
    OP Here: Yeah, I know that there are plenty of stupid D&D monsters. But the greek ones just somehow stand out for me.

    Orcs, Trolls, and Goblins might be run into the ground by now, but its because they are useful monsters that can be made compelling and interesting. (auger-trolls that read the future in their own intestines, Goblins as a laboring underclass after their great empire fell to encroaching humans, ect)

    Here's my idea for making Merfolk an consistent monster: they're camouflage predators. They're predatory shoreline and freshwater eel that developed an increasingly human-like appearance as Mimicry, to attract their prey. They're not intelligent at all, or if they are, not very. All their humanoid features are fish-derived, right down to the modified fin spines forming the "hair," and the non-functional breastlike protuberances. Their singing is partially hypnotic, and only sounds enchanting to human ears. The entire reason for their human-like appearance, down to the arms (not well-articulated, mind you) is there solely to lure humans into the water, where their venomous spines and razor teeth turn the horny idiot into a meal.

    If you want, this can be their origin story, and they later evolved true sentience and culture.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:05 No.4728954
    And its okay for what it is. But, way too many mythological monsters are in the same vein. And its incredibly retarded.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:08 No.4728989
    This is actually what sirens were. Merfolk was a victorian age retelling of the Greek sirens.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:09 No.4729003

    >>4728701 here
    I really like this.

    But half the fun of dming for me is refluffing and building worlds.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:11 No.4729020
    You best be joking, Merfolk were a tier 2 deck in Lorwyn block, might be coming back in Extended (if they learn to embrace a strong tempo strategy instead of trying to be a clone of Faeries) and rape pretty well in Legacy.
    >> Monster Fucker !wplPpMGfAQ 06/01/09(Mon)02:17 No.4729063
    And yet I want to fuck all of them.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:17 No.4729067
    I dropped out before Lorwyn came out.

    It also didn't help my opinion that the merfolk player in my group of friends was rather casual in a group that used the helm/ensnaring bridge combo, slivers, urza legacy decks, etc.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:20 No.4729089
    come to think of it, way too many mythological monsters could fit into this basic template. How many creatures seem to have the sole function of "luring sailors and travelers to their deaths?" Many of them arent ghosts or nature spirits, but mundane predators evolved to eat humans.

    Even dryads could fit this. Either as a puppet-like lure for a large carnivorous plant, or as a sex-doll-flower-structure to facilitate cross-pollination (there's already a plant that uses wasps the same way). They're literally TIED to their tree, not metaphysically, but by Stems.
    >> I CLUB SEALS 06/01/09(Mon)02:22 No.4729116

    protip: elf, kobolds, dwarf, goblins, spirits, dryads, redcaps were all things that were going to eat you in the orignial mythology.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:22 No.4729121
    Merfolk = dolphins who talk and look prettier

    I fail to see the problem
    >> I CLUB SEALS 06/01/09(Mon)02:24 No.4729140

    This way, you know that they have a vagoo.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:24 No.4729141

    ... I like that nymph idea.

    I'd become a druid so I could devote my life to *ahem* cross pollination.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:25 No.4729154

    One that can massage your dick too.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:31 No.4729213
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:49 No.4729405
    The whole fey buisness never sat well with me. Nymphs (hot psudo-godessess who exist only to "fall in love" with mortals and gods. Hur hur) dont really have the dignity to be part of the "Fair Folk."

    Other mythologies offer something that can be worked into a compelling worldview, and they get used alot, in good media. Lovecraft and Brittish Isles all provide a consistent setting full of cool shit (ex: hellboy, alot of D&D). Greek doesnt. Its just a bunch of lecherous gods, meat-headed heroes, and random-ass monsters from the bitz box. Greek Mythology gave us ONE hero worth remembering: Odysseus/Ulysses. The rest can take a running jump for all I care.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:56 No.4729468
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    needs more Celtic and other European mythology.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)02:59 No.4729495

    ... where can I get one of those?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:00 No.4729503
    If you think nymphs only existed to fall in love, then you probably need to read some Greek mythology, child, instead of masturbating to the thought of Unified Setting having Gentry.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:02 No.4729520
    by yifing in hell.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:02 No.4729526
    The real legend is actually sexier then the weeaboo shit.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:04 No.4729553
    Freakin cute.

    We need to get some of these and forcibly create some drawfags that way, to illustrate all our fucking retarded /tg/ GETS SHIT DONE projects.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:04 No.4729555
    Well, I cant remember any nymphs that didnt exist for any purpose other than to be the mothers of gods and heroes, or to be horribly mutated as punishment for having sex with someone the gods didnt like. Nymphs were for secks, and thats about it.

    Maybe it was reading Everwold back in middle school, but it kind of soured alot of mythological creatures for me.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:05 No.4729561
    She needs a hug and help out of her swimsuit. I want boobs, dammit!
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:06 No.4729566
    It is also more tragic, because she inevitably destroys them in the end. They do not retain enough sense of self to survive without her, and leannan sidhe also subsist on blood.

    The artist never survives without outside help.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:07 No.4729577
    not if you refuse her.

    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:07 No.4729578

    ... which is?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:08 No.4729585
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:09 No.4729599
    Yeah, I want to hear this one.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:09 No.4729600

    Refuse her? The stories go in the vein of you would never see one unless she could make you an offer you would not refuse. Faery tales are cases of 'you doomed yourself'.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:11 No.4729619
    Well, for starters, there's the Muses and the bad ass necromancer bitches of Hecate.

    Plus... they're the ARCHETYPE OF THE FUCKING FEY. The local spirits of water, forests, mountains, and natural faggotry all around.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:12 No.4729629
    I'm not saying it would be possible to do so. Just AWESOME if you did.

    And really a short passionate life wouldn't be so bad in a world where apathy is a key to life such as this one.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:12 No.4729630

    Upon reading, I am not convinced that it is sexier than the weeaboo shit. I'd say they're about equal.
    >> Boston Tentacle Party !!sS2TVHm9A4b 06/01/09(Mon)03:13 No.4729643
    Archaeology/Anthropology fag here.

    Greek folklore is inherently no less interesting than any other culture's folklore. A good D&D game, I feel, is one that plays a -lot- off of folklore.

    You might choose to disregard some of it as it doesn't fit the theme (the chimera, for example, only fits in a heroic fantasy setting and would be out of place in low fantasy). And most Greek folklore and mythology is known through epic poetry, forcing it to focus around a particular genre; it's how most of the folklore survived to this day, so it's overrepresented.

    Unless you're saying that that entire genre is stupid, in which case I'd just say you're being close-minded.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:14 No.4729651
    Oh yeah, a classic example to shove in people's faces when someone goes DERP DERP STOKER INVENTED SEXY VAMPIRES
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:15 No.4729668
    Meh, Celts did it better

    Never knew the Fates were Nymphs, though. Or necromancers.
    >> Boston Tentacle Party !!sS2TVHm9A4b 06/01/09(Mon)03:16 No.4729680
    Actually, I'd say most of the D&D fey lore comes from Celtic myth, not Greek. There's plenty of Greek representation, don't get me wrong, but Celtic folklore has a massive hard on for fey.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:17 No.4729686
    Me personally, I don't find the idea of dying, even of a reasonably sexy cause, terribly erotic.

    Also the fact that the only way you can have the good ending is if you don't love her back. So its fucking depressing no matter how you slice it.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:20 No.4729710
    Talking about the nymphs that accompany Hecate, not the Muses.

    Also: the Bible makes no reference to winged human angels, or to female angels. Yet winged human females are usually called angels... and there are plenty of feather-winged nymphs. So by extension to say nymphs suck is to say MtG style angels suck.
    >> Boston Tentacle Party !!sS2TVHm9A4b 06/01/09(Mon)03:21 No.4729724
    Actually, I rescind the bit about the chimera not working in low fantasy; rather, it doesn't work in most low fantasy.

    I can see it fitting in well in a low fantasy setting with Frankensteinian mad science.
    >> Boston Tentacle Party !!sS2TVHm9A4b 06/01/09(Mon)03:25 No.4729748
    >modern conceptions of angels are winged females, some nymphs are winged females. Therefore, modern conceptions of angels are nymphs.

    Your logic is faulty. Fellatio jokes aside, I agree with you that nymphs don't suck; unfortunately, that isn't really a solid argument for them.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:26 No.4729756

    Well you die happy. The main reason I say they're equal though, is because the weeaboo version is a loli, and the celtic one being postpubescent does a lot for me.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:33 No.4729821

    >Me personally, I don't find the idea of dying, even of a reasonably sexy cause, terribly erotic.

    In the grimdark grim darkness of the ancient world, there is no room for sexy sex, only deathly sex.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:35 No.4729840

    Altering someone's argument to make it wrong is a pretty shitty debate tactic there.

    Most of the time, modern angels are portrayed as being at least 50% female; on /tg/, its way more than 50% (groups that consist OF Nymphs, however, sometimes include males as well, and they can have male children). They're just portrayed as spirits of good, not as servants of a given deity. They are interested in helping people rather than slaughtering townsfolk.

    Straight up, the modern fantasy angel has nothing to do with the Bible and quite a bit to do with nymphs. Likely, this has something to do with the notion in modern fantasy that good is a passive, isolationist, peaceful force.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:35 No.4729850

    I think it's supposed to teach an Aesop
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:38 No.4729873
    Its a Schroedinger's Loli; you are unable to perceive the fact that it is a loli.

    I'm partial to the 4E interpretation of the creature; they're both fey and vampires, non-evil, look damn good, and have blood cauldrons that function like phylacteries.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:39 No.4729874


    actually that is pretty much true.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:39 No.4729878

    >Its a Schroedinger's Loli; you are unable to perceive the fact that it is a loli.

    The important question, then, is can Chris Hansen percieve that it is a loli?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:40 No.4729883

    "DEATHFUCK THE CORPSERAPER at your service milady!"
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:41 No.4729892
    Actually, yes, assuming he wasn't the fey's target. It only works on the subject, a reclusive drawfag.

    So if he's ever out in public, he is unable to grasp the weird looks.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:41 No.4729896

    And then Chris Hansen was the loli.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:42 No.4729904

    how do i just named my land raider
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:42 No.4729908

    "I'm Chris Hansen, from Dateline NBC, and I wish to be the little girl."
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:42 No.4729909

    If he's ever out in public, he's not very reclusive.

    And don't leave out the music/writefags. They can get fey booty too
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:45 No.4729927
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    This little girl?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:47 No.4729942
    Is it a Chaos LR? It must be Slanneshi, in particular.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:48 No.4729947
    MTG merfolk were always badass.
    Look at the god damn merfolk from shadowmoore/stronghold, that shit was DOPE
    But anywhere else...mostly retarded
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:49 No.4729949
    sorry Chris Hansen, i call dibs on that shit.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:51 No.4729971
    EVERYONE wants to be Vivio.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:53 No.4729983
    Have you seen Vivid? Not only does she have hot lesbian moms, but she turns into a busty teenager via MAGIC, and has her own "rival" that is also a loli that turns into a busty teen.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:54 No.4729994

    whoa whoa whoa, slow down, hoss. Japanimation has what now?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:54 No.4729998

    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:57 No.4730013
    And considering she was raised by Nanoha, I think we all know EXACTLY where this is heading.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)03:58 No.4730024
    It's actually just a mango right now.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:00 No.4730035
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    Where? D:<

    They mustn't be allowed to taint Vivio!
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:02 No.4730059
    "Behold, my awesome magical powers! They gave me boobies!"
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:06 No.4730099
    uh, yeah thats kind of the point
    I dont want to taint vivo, I want to be her.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:08 No.4730114

    That is understandable and acceptable.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:10 No.4730134
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    Greek mythology was a total ripoff and it can suck my dick.
    What pisses me off is, in the national Museum of Berlin, on the room for babylonian and sumerian statues and idols, which are actually the original versions of so many Greek mosters, the audio guide starts a rant about these people being "primitive" and using "creatures that were part human part animal" on their mythology
    The same museum has the fucking Zeus temple on the next room and the same goes in to incredible detail about describing some stupid legend on the reliefs.
    When the Greek does it, it's not primitive.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:10 No.4730135
    EVERYONE does. You get to be a hot piece of jailbait with world-ending awesome magic powers, heterochromia, an endless supply of hot magic-wielding bitches to molest and not one insanely fuckable, ungodly powerful MILF, but TWO.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:11 No.4730144
    Anyways, back on topic.

    The biggest complaint I have with monsters is that there's too many and don't really fit into any environmental niche other than providing XP.
    >> Regault 06/01/09(Mon)04:16 No.4730181
    As horribly gay as the senmurv is, it is based on real world mythology. Persian/Iranian, in this case.

    Also, I've always preferred selkies to mermaids.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:18 No.4730199

    Yeah, I'd like to see a lot more credit given to early Mesopotamia. The only time you really hear about them is with Hammurabi's Code
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:19 No.4730211
    That's because most setting just borrow whatever interesting bits they find from various cultures and stuff it in a blender without regards of where anything connects.

    I'd like to see actual food chains. Obviously the herbivores have bot to be either very tough, or very prolific not to be wiped out by magic wielding carnivores.
    Perhaps things that aren't out to eat you, but simply think you are a threat and are defending themselves, can be vicious foes in their own right.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:19 No.4730213

    Was ist das?
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    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:23 No.4730245
    The human dimension of Greek mythology is pretty great.
    Heroes, villains, normal people, fate, tragedy, love, war, death, honor, sacrifice, terror, madness, loss, bereavement, redemption, transfiguration, hope, despair...
    The monsters DO kinda suck, though.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:23 No.4730251

    Yeah, same here. I've been thinking of trying to add in some monsters from an evolutionary biology perspective, but I'm not sure where to take it. I figure that most of them would be super predators or jumbo-sized trap critters.

    Maybe large crablike creatures that burrow into the ground, creating natural pungee pits. They wait for unsuspecting prey (deer, wolves, bears, people) to come by and fall into their trap where the unlucky victim is ripped apart.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:24 No.4730261

    So... they're people with weird lookin hair?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:25 No.4730269
    You don't have to use all of them at once. Actually, it would be stupid to use all of them at once. However, the Multiverse is infinite, and there's infinite possibilities for the creation or evolution of an infinite number of cretures(including merfolk) and infinite variants of the same creature.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:29 No.4730309

    The multiverse may be infinite , but most of the time you deal with a much smaller portion. A single nation, maybe a continent or two.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:35 No.4730367

    But the thing is that a some monsters exist solely to provide a challenge for the PCs. They aren't really tied in to the universe, there's no real reason for them to exist or a reason explaining why they haven't been hunted down. They're literally there just to be killed by the players.
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    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:52 No.4730523
    Isn't that painting from the Renaissance era?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:53 No.4730540

    >angel that is a human with wings

    Thank you for proving my point.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)04:56 No.4730567
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    It's 17th century art, it's not "modern"

    Also, digging through wikipedia revealed: Isaiah (6:1–3) "... I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and His train filled the Hekhal (sanctuary). Above Him stood the Seraphim; each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew."
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:02 No.4730606

    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:02 No.4730607
    The bible's angels look more like the product of an LSD trip than the standard "human with wings" bit
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:05 No.4730627
    >17th century
    The bible was around before the 1st century.
    Among the angels, having wings was unique the seraphs and cherubs.
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    That was really about it for my point, just pointing out that depictions of humans with wings as angels is nothing new, and that they do mention winged people as angels in the bible.

    So uhm...yeah, I guess I was just nitpicking. Have some more renaissance era angels.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:18 No.4730709
    >they do mention winged people as angels in the bible.

    Say what? Every time an angel shows up, not in human disguise (a -100%- human disguise), its always something freakishly inhuman.

    All that is described of the six winged angel is A) that it has six wings, B) it has feet, and C) it has a face.

    So no, the idea of angels = winged people has nothing to do with the bible.

    >just pointing out that depictions of humans with wings as angels is nothing new

    Yeah... it is. At the very least, its far, far newer than the New Testament.
    >> thejamesw. 06/01/09(Mon)05:24 No.4730739
    Don't forget "covered in eyes" with two of the wings covering the face, and two covering the feet allowing only two to fly with.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:25 No.4730747
    The first depiction of a winged angel was in the 4th Century AD.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)05:27 No.4730760
    My bad, 5th century.
    >> Monster Fucker !wplPpMGfAQ 06/01/09(Mon)05:27 No.4730768
    why not?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)06:14 No.4731088
    Oh I adore stigmata given via DIVINE LAZORS in ancient art.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)06:28 No.4731178
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    Ssssssst! Zap zap!
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)06:28 No.4731179
    I liked the Cephalids from MtG. Never as awesome as the idea of a selkie, but an interesting take on the whole merfolk.

    I've seen a lot of western (Roman/Greek), but what is the main mythology monsters of Various African cultures?

    I mean, I'm going to wikipedia it anyway, but somewhere else on here might know some of this already.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)06:34 No.4731220
    >The first depiction of a winged angel was in the 4th Century AD

    Its still Newer than the New Testament, but back then it was just artistic interpretation to add more of a flair, and indeed it was solely these artists (plus paganistic feather winged humans) who caused people to get the impression, which, much later, led people into thinking that'd be what they'd really look like.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:10 No.4731474
    I personally think that Angels are supertech robots, as described by technological primitives.

    It'd explain things like the wheels and eyes and spinning swords of flame (laser turret!). Besides, God created the universe to act in a scientific fashion; there's no reason he couldn't have designed is angels to take advantage of that, as well.

    As for nymphs and whatnot, they're just the Greek equivalent of Japanese kami. Well, the lower ranking ones that rule rocks and trees and stuff. Obviously Ameratsu and company are more analogous to Zeus and company.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:16 No.4731498
    Besides that Lucifer is described to have pipes, fittings, and precious metals incorporated into his construction.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:23 No.4731539

    lucifer is a 40k exorcist.

    and greek mythology is fine, as long as it is implemented with a little imagination. you know, that thing you can use without buying any damn books at all.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:29 No.4731567
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    Superior sea creatures.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:33 No.4731587
    The Ophanim control the Cherubim; the spirits of the Cherubim are said to reside within them. Possibly the Cherubim's minds are virtual reality constructs within the Ophanim, and their bodies are actually drones.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:40 No.4731632
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    Superior marine animals. Their mouthparts secrete a chemical that makes larvae change gender. Twist that around a bit and you have no manual gender change experiments necessary. She kisses you and her saliva turns you into the little girl over the course of a few weeks.
    Angels are also said to lack free will in entirety, which fits robots.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:42 No.4731648
    The hell is on her lap?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:43 No.4731653
    I thought it was just that they reproduce via mouth secretions. You're telling me that they can turn you into a girl AND impregnate you with one kiss?

    A shell, obviously.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:43 No.4731658
    I'm greek and the OP is pretty much spot on
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:44 No.4731661
    That's... not her lap...
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:45 No.4731673
    However, let's not forget that the Hydra is greek.

    All the best monsters from greek mythology aren't really described a lot. Typhoon for example was supposed to be a huge fucking dragon that was killing gods left and right before Zeus did something about it. Illustrations? not so much
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:45 No.4731674
    Dickgirl. That's all I'm going to say.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:46 No.4731682
    OP here. Check out this board, far superior to Retardchan:


    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:47 No.4731685
    >(one thing to add: 4th edition rather effectively removed merfolk. I applaud Wizards for it.)

    i'm still not letting go of the FUCKTON OF MONEY i spent on 3.5.

    call me old-fashioned.

    oh, and i'm poor. stupid uni.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:52 No.4731713
    Well technically, there IS this clit tentacle thing....
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:52 No.4731719
    If you're talking about spoonworms, the males never actually appear because they're on an internatized sac and live as parasites, hence they can just get pregnant whenever they want. It's mostly the same situation as Osedax worms.

    For Arume, I haven't the slightest idea.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:55 No.4731744
    OP here. Check out this board, far superior to Retardchan:


    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)07:56 No.4731759
    Dunno about that other thing but I know Arume have some system going whereby they can generate compatible sperm in their mouths and then impregnate female humans via oral sex.

    Blows my mind as to why they don't just spit on a tentacle and use that.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:00 No.4731779
    Well octopodes pretty much do that. They have a specialized arm that produces packets of sperm which they push under the female's mantle.

    Actual "spitting" of sperm is seen on spiders however.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:04 No.4731809
    I think the oral thing is because they have to use this special pill thing that manufactures human-compatible sperm.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:10 No.4731852
    I was thinking about it, and it just struck me.

    Cherubim are fighter planes. The lion's head is an air intake. The eagle's head is the nose of the plane. The ox's head is the cockpit/drone brain. The man's head is either a radar dome, or a laser turret. They have six "wings"; one pair is a pair of canards, one pair are the tail, and one pair is actually used for flight.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:13 No.4731872
    And thus, the XDF-09 Cherubim was born.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:22 No.4731909
    How come we keep getting back to discussing Arume physiology?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)08:32 No.4731968

    Am I the only one who got a very King in Yellow vibe from this?
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)09:39 No.4732325
    Do you have any sources on that? Wikipedia and Google aren't turning anything up.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)09:41 No.4732341

    you asshole

    to /k/!
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)09:55 No.4732405
    Seraphim have a similar wing system as Cherubim. They're also endlessly chanting (something speakers would make much easier), and glowing extremely brightly. Their name means "burning ones," and what produces lots of heat and light, and would let them keep going nigh-indefinately? Nuclear fusion.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)09:57 No.4732416
    VF-27 Seraphim
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)10:00 No.4732432

    The entire list of monster girls make me rage. These monsters girls are bad and you should feel bad for liking it.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 06/01/09(Mon)10:04 No.4732459

    Actually, that's fucking awesome. A fighter jet going so fucking fast the leading edges are in a perpetual state of relativistic conversion and it's only still there because it is literally reassembling itself and reorienting its structure at the same speed it's being destroyed, and the frame has the ludicrous durability to perpetually endure the front part exploding

    Fuckdamn. Now I need to make a Femtopunk world.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)10:07 No.4732475
    Or it's a Delorean.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 06/01/09(Mon)10:09 No.4732495

    Not as cool as a relativistic angel.

    Hell, that's probably the reason people started shitting themselves when they showed up. Not because they're angels, but because they knew that in half an hour when the sonic boom caught up it would liquefy every bastard within a kilometre of its flightpath.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)10:11 No.4732503
    No man, it IS the Delorean. Nuclear-powered? The flaming wings obviously referring to the fact that it glows like a motherfucker when you hit 88mph? And the "wings"?

    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)12:44 No.4733843
    Vampire Muse? I thought of that too as soon as this "inspiration fairy" turned up. It was genuinely interesting fluff for a monster in 4th (shat bricks). Definitely gonna use it.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)13:24 No.4734211
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    Wings: check
    Sword made of fire: check
    Strikes down unbelievers with light from from the heavens: check
    Flies: check

    Pic related, it's a motherfucking angel.
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)13:42 No.4734395
    by "feet" it means "genitals" btw
    >> Anonymous 06/01/09(Mon)13:58 No.4734557
    Damn, can't find sources, but I remember Daniel meeting an angel that burned of intense heat, looked like precious stones and fire...

    Kinda like the Human Torch.

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