Erectusfags can't even comprehend the magnificence of the neanderthal!

>>4777651
That's why there are so many of those erectus guys still around, amirite?

Fuck you, you don't get the inherent synergy of civilisation bonuses to anything that involves tool-using.

>>4777665
And like you're ever going to get that civilisation bonus. Chimpanzees with rocks are better than you lot, at least they can climb properly. But go on, live that crazy "in the future we will make tools that put us on the level of gods" pipedream.

Meanwhile, some of us will be over here, kicking ass and taking names with our superior physical statlines.

Megalonyx was here.

Erectus are assholes.

Tyrannosaur here.

Faggots, give me my future back!

>>4777797
Yeah, see, that's the thing: Megalonyx WAS here, but now it's DEAD. Unlike, you know, Sapiens.

Abandon this shitty dump and come here instead: www.AnonTlak.com (l <=> a)

769ec4f8b54f34ac1fd27e38f3291228

>>4777813
Oh gods do you even know how lucky we had to be to end up on tops of everything with computers and modern life and shit? A tiny change in history here or there and we could all be DINOSAURS, arguing about whether the fourth or third-and-a-half editions of Dungeons and Humans.

I was playing Australopithecus before homanids became cool and you fags showed up.

What's with that errata that took out Piltdowns? That was my favorite fucking species!

>>4777752
This shit is just unrealistic, in the real world Sapiens would never survive.

>>4777815

For now we slumber. Soon the new dawn of Megalonyx will arrive, and with it the darkest retribution.

>>4777813
Unlike some other species you at least got a cool exit. "Death because of enormous rock" doesn't happen to just anyone.

... Though there IS something of a repetition to the whole Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies approach I guess. But at least yours was huge. Or was it a mega-volcano or dropping oxygen levels? I have a hard time keeping the different versions of the fluff apart.

>>4777887
A few eons before the dinosaurs died, there was a big sea-life extinction. I think it was "THE OCEAN FUCKING EXPLODED"

Sapiens? I'm Sapiens-Sapiens, bitches.

>>4777899

Palaeofag here. Permian Mass Extinction ftw. The K/T boundary can kiss its ass.

60-70% of life extinct? Pfft. Try again when you reach 90%, bitch.

>>4777839
That's what I keep telling them!

Their players tend to be crafty fuckers, too. I think they get some perverse pleasure out of using those pathetic advantages Sapiens got and abusing the shit out of them.

I swear, what is with the writers giving Sapiens all kinds of plot armor? Hell, they're putting some of them on continents we can't even GET to! If that isn't favoritism, what is?

I always play Neanderthal. There's something divine about hunting animals by getting them angry enough to charge you, then wrestling them to death.

>>4777973
Sapiens are totally superior, you asses. Look at their long hair, their high foreheads, they're effortless use of tools... oh gosh I've gone all fangirly again

>>4777651
Sapiens are fucking Mary sues, It's just Wizards catering to the fucking OH I WANT TO BE SPECIAL fanbois

Watch, in like 8th Ed I bet they will have ways to kill every other race from far away and some way to negate all the penalties from eating raw meat.

Neanderthals FTW!

>>4777992
Terkien totally spoiled the whole concept of Sapiens, making them total faggots with their unparalleled beauty and intelligence and shit. "Domesticating" animals? What the fuck? Why not have them have materials that are a BILLION times better than fire-hardened wood as well? OH WAIT THEY HAVE THAT TOO.

>>4778026
And what was that strat I heard about that let you take down Mammoths?

Those things are like CR 20, I dont care how many of you there are, no amount of level 1's should be able to kill a CR20 ANYTHING.

Fucking cheese.

>>4777975
Oh yeah. That is so goddamn awesome.

Also, I love Enkidu. Poor Neanderthal guy* doesn't get enough love from the writers.

*Yes yes, I know they never stated the species outright, but c'mon!

Ugh, last game of this went awfully for me. My GM made a lot of DMPCs and gave this superpowered 'homo superior' race. Our party was battling to escape a forest bear and BAM, homo superior jumps down from the trees and uses his magic stick to take it out in one shot.

>>4778044
Those weren't level ones, they had cheese'd prestige classes like "Spear Hunter" or "Forage-Gatherer". Total cheese.

Sapienfag here. Just came in to remind the rest of you beasts that you're small time.

What I find interesting is that humanity could easily become the next "baseline lifeform" like the archosaurs. The other specialized animals (bears, rhinos, even chimps) are dying out, and once they do we can easily take advantage of ecological niches.

>>4778048
Fuck you, sapiens aren't overpowered.

>>4778113
lolplotarmour

>>4778113

>>HURR DURR I CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF HOW SENTINENT I AM

Fucking hate sapiens, i hear they'll be getting fire in next ed. I hope they all die in a water. Bastards.

>I hope they all die in a water.

Lol'd

>>4778276
too late, they have cooking now, they can frickin remove all eating penalties. shit.

>>4778079
Blame liberals for preventing us from eradicating predators already on the verge of extinction.

>>4778323
Not all eating penalties, homosexual erectus (as you say, "OOOH WET"). We still have rot, mold, parasites, scarcity...

>>4778340
i don't play erectus. i play neanderthal.

Like how exactly are you supposed to get a "sharper rock"? Rocks are blunt, they don't sharpen themselves! Fucking overpowered toolusers. NO BALANCE AT ALL

>>4778366
you use the grinding spell on a rock. it gets it sharper, but you also have to have another rock as a component.

>>4778366
Screw you man, even Erectus knows how to sharpen rocks. You do it the same way you sharpen sticks, only with rocks.

>>4777884
FUCK YOU, I'M FIRST. I WAITED 65 MILLION YEARS!

>>4778382
Talk about unrealistic. That's just stupid.

>>4778426
"After 65 million years, I'm finally extant again! Time to be an apex predator! "
"Koko, T-rex has been revived! Recruit a team of primates with attitude! "
"Ugh ogh ugh ugh"

>>4778416
>blah blah blah I have no idea how materials work
Here's a fucking clue, rocks are HARD. Hitting rocks against each other won't do a damn thing.

>>4778460

Except some rocks azre harder than other rocks.

>>4778456
Fuck yes.

God, I hate sapiens players. I had them face a saber-tooth tiger today, and instead of screaming and running - like I planned them to - they told me they had build something called a "spear" with their tools and killed the thing from fucking six feet away.

What's even worse, it checks out with the PHB.

Fucking overpowered. I think I'll just throw a thunderstorm at them next, see how they'll weasel their way out of that. Probably BUILD A FUCKING CAVE FROM WOOD TO SHELTER THEM or something.

>>4778485
Ha ha, no. Next you'll be saying things like there are materials harder than rocks but with malleability and durability that can be widely used as many types of tools.

>>4778517

GTFO, sapienboo.

You know why sapiens get plot armor? Because they're the main race in Speciazation2k set in the grim dark future.
That's right, those fucks at EvolutionWorkshop have already decided who was going to be the winning race. If I didn't enjoy their fantasy (really, moving more than 7 mph?) I'd quit right now.

Tool-users are overpowered, and OH WHAT A COINCIDENCE Sapiens get massive inherent bonuses over normal Erectus.
I've had it up to here with all the fangirls gushing over Sapiens, can we have a thread about ERECTUS FUCK YEAH

>>4778456
Holy shit, I would play the fuck out of that

GO GO SIGN LANGUAGE GORILLAS *Woaw waow waow waow waow*

>>4778539
Sapiens player here, tool classes may be slightly weaker at the lower levels, but they're so much better in high levels than fist-fighter classes. Tool use is exponential, physical classes is linear.
Live with it, faggots.

Fucking sapiens.

Come the evolution, you'll be first against the wall.

>>4778536
The two settings have been retconned to be COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CONTINUITIES.

>>4778512
Wait till they try dancing to appease the thunder-storm spirit.

Great, they just invented clerics >_<

Hey guise, in the future Sapiens will be recreating dinosaurs.


trollface.jpg

>>4778536
>If I didn't enjoy their fantasy (really, moving more than 7 mph?) I'd quit right now.

That is the worst part about the game. I mean, sure, it's set in the far future, but the whole 'metal boxes, faster than the wind' is simply ridiculous. And then they put them EVERYWHERE.

>>4778045

Nah he is from 2ed, where they kill of EVERYTHING except Sapiens.

Then came the Persia, and Assyria fags...

>>4778574
>Speciazation & Speciazation2k are different continuities.
>Laughing-macaque-man.ash
Doesn't matter, the same people are writing both histories and it bleeds over. Look at the all the religions from S2K and tell me they aren't all drawn from the Sun Worshipers in the original.

Fucking floresienis player here, we're getting the shit nerfed out of us in the next rule cave-painting. We start right at the same place as the fucking sapiens. FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU

>>4778600

Don't even get me started on their 'science' atlatls. Tying a bit of string to one doesn't make it 'scientifically' go through the hide of a mammoth.

>>4778640

Been nice knowing you. The sapiens are gonna take their tools and bash all your skulls in.

>>4778619
You have to admit that part needed imagination. Some of the rest... getting up in the morning, doing stuff and sleeping again? Don't you think we'd have evolved beyond that by then?

It's like they just took Erectus, made them look prettier and more smart, and put them in the plains.

Erectus... IN PLAIIIINSS

It would be fun to run a campaign with Neanderthal, Cro-mags, and Erectus. Each have there own little skill. Like Erectus would be the Striker, Neanderthal would be the Defender, and Cro-Mags the Controllers.

SW terms:

Erectus: D6 Agi
Neanderthal: D6 Vig, D8 Str, Double cost of Spi
Cro-Mags: Free Advantage, d6 in one skill.

Erectus gets an intelligence boost, they're in this for the long run now. Neanderthals have survived there extinction, Cro Mags are venturing far & wide. They adapt & make new tactics and weapons as they travel.

Game of survival, who ever wins, we loose. Not really but you get the point. I

>>4778600
What about their crazy talking lightning boxes?

>>4778674
Dude, what the fuck is a star?! You mean the ancestor eyes in the big black hole above our heads?

When is that volkano event in Africa again, got killed by it once.
Aint happening this time around, the again our GM was mean as fuck.

>>4778676
That got retconned out for being too unbelievable.

Yeah, fucking cave masters. Last time round we were playing a dinosaur campaign.

Next thing I know, a rock falls and everyone died.

>>4778276
Erectus/Ergaster had fire.

Neanderthals are like dwarves, but with spears. They live primarily in lowland caves, and they make some -great- tools and weapons. Mousterian tools were much better than what the Sapiens had.

Sapiens had bows, though. And usually highland and hilltop settlements.

Is there anyone one here who's Cave Mastered a game?

>>4778787
I can't excavate enough players so my sessions always feel so extinct.

>>4778674
>Free Advantage
Edge you mean?
Anyway, cro-mag seems to be set up as the base with +3 worth in racial traits, but the other two races have +2 worth.

>>4778800
I find that when looking for a good CM, it's best to seek out an Oldowan.

>>4778669
>Erectus... IN PLAIIIINSS

"So what we do today Grok?"
"Same we do everyday Krunk. Run and hunt animal."

Trolls trolling trolls

btw does anyone know when Gigantopithecus is coming out?

There is a lot of whining about Sapiens, but have you ever looked at the rules for microbes? Their adaptability stats is just fucking ridiculus! Try sterilize a forest with anything short of a meteorite!

>>4778676

They should just call it Speciazation2k: Boxes Edition.

>>4779433

Microbes are purely NPC races, so I don't really care.

>>4778635
>Laughing-macaque-man.ash

I chuckled. Which proves I have the inherent ability to reason.

>>4778660
If they'd been Erectus, they'd have kicked Sapiens' collective(pun intended) asses. Bad luck bro.

Get this, my sapiens player started wearing the skins of animals he killed 'to get rid of frost penalties'. I hate powergamers.

>>4778456
THIS IDEA IS SO FUCKING COOL

>>4779918
Tool users have a huge advantage over everything outside combat, and inside combat at higher levels your physical stats get toasted by the cumulative builds of buffs the tools grant users. Tough luck mate, but who do you think's going to win where one side's best option is to hit the opponent with his fist and the other has the sheer power of harnessing the very environment around him to power his actions?

Sapiens are the tau of this setting. A hastily created, shoehorned sub-par mary sue race.

Hey guys, I found this shiny rock in my cave, and when I put it over fire and hit it, I COULD MAKE IT DIFFERENT SHAPES!

I make this really kickass shirt and hat out of it, and I used abit on the end instead of a rock. Cool, huh?

>>4780046
Hey, that looks kinda neat. What material properties does it have?

I am reminded of Uplift.

Humanity> "HEY GUYS, LOOK, WE MADE FIRE!"
Aliens> "Looks like another species is about ready to be-"
Humanity> "SWEET, SPACEFLIGHT"
Aliens> "Uhh... who wants these guys?"
Humanity> "LOLOLOLOL, WE CAN UPLIFT THINGS, LET'S START WITH MONKEYS"
Aliens> "Huh."
Humanity> "AND DOLPHINS!"
Aliens> "I don't like these guys very much."
Humanity> "HEY, ALIEN GUYS, WHAT'S UP WITH YOU, WE'RE DOING GOOD, HAHAHA" Skips through the ten thousand year enslavement period and winds up being technically ranked with some of the most elder species of the empire.
Aliens> "Hold up a second, you can't-"
Humanity> "SORRY, GOTTA GO SCOUT FOR SHIT IN THE REST OF THE UNIVERSE, SEE YOU LATER"
Aliens> "Guys, I think we need to do something about these-"
Humanity> "HAY, GUISE, WE FOUND A BUNCH OF SHIPS THAT DATE BACK FURTHER THAN MOST OF YOUR RELIGIOUS SYSTEMS, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM, 'KAY? OKAY! SEE YOU LOSERS LATER!"
Aliens> "FFFFFfffffffffffffffffffff...."

>>4780146

Humanity.

The trolls of Earth, the Galaxy, and the entire known Universe.

Actually, Sapiens do so well because we have a power. The power?

It's called revenge. When one of us was killed, the rest of their family went out and murdered ten times as many of said species.

Why do you think animals instinctively avoid humans? It's not because we're particularly dangerous on our own-they're just terrified because they know if they do, someone will hunt them down mercilessly and kill them.

Imagine, if you will, that you killed a deer. Then the deer's family starts following you around... waiting. Waiting for you to be distracted. Waiting for you to be alone and unarmed.

>>4780146
wat

>>4780219
Mother of god.

Example
Some random ass human colany on some backwards planet gets destroyed by some alien hive mind thinking that it would be like losing a toe.
Then we destroy them.
I think that is the plot of the enders game series.

someone archive dis shit.

>>4780146
Pretty much sums it up.

>>4780239
In Ender's game they launched an invasion, they even built an alien moon base. We retaliated by having a kid kill them to death with a videogame.

>>4780046
The thumbnail looks kinda like a pair of turds.

>>4780233
Uplift by David Brin, 6 book sci-fi series. Humans have just developed space travel to find out the galaxy is fully explored and colonized tens of thousands of alien races. In it they perpetually trip over billion year old galactic society laws.

>>4780263
>We retaliated by having a Mormon's version of Shinji Ikari kill them to death with a videogame.

BUGGERS?

MOAR LIEK NIGGERS, AMIRITE?

>>4780306
The first sapiens probably were the blackest niggers ever born. White skin is an adaptation to colder, less sunny climates.

THIS THREAD IS GIVING ME A HOMO-ERECTUS

>>4780329
White skin is an advancement, if you will.

>>4780357

Oh no, you are NOT going to derail this perfectly awesome thread into a racist shitstorm.

>>4780357
You mean yellow Chinese skin is an advancement.

>>4780357
Subtle racisim is not-so-subtle.

>White skin is an advancement, if you will.

If you don't know anything about evolution, why are you posting in this thread?

>>4780357

By that logic, so is coarse hair loss, neckbeard.

>>4780411
It is really quite easy.

>>4780422
>neckbeard
>calling others neckbeard

Fuck Sapiens.

What we need is more Neckbears.

>>4780329
slanty eyes, thin layer of subdermal fat, shorter limbs relative to trunk are also cold weather adaptations. and these are generally east asian traits. oh yeah east asians can get the paleskin "advancement" too.

Hey guys, me and my group just started an epic level campaign.

SHIT IS AWESOME

>>4780531
>fitted clothing
>metal items
Damn, just giving out epic items like candy, eh?

>>4780531
ALL SAPIENS?

>>4780492
>implying east asians are not superior to niggers

So anyway, my CM was running a game and we had to bring down this mammoth to feed our tribes, right? So we spend like half a week digging this goddamn pitfall (goddamn sapiens) when there's a perfectly good cliff RIGHT GODDAMN THERE, but Noooo the hairy elephant would notice that one. Anyway, we cover the damn trap up, scare up the herd of mammoths, and we end up getting a big mean old bastard into the trap. It gets stuck. So we're there, throwing spears and rocks at the thing and doing like almost zilch damage when I get the idea that we should torch the pit. So we get a fire started and torch the damn thing, killing it with it barely being held in check by the pit. So we wait for a couple of hours to let the fire die down, send the Sapiens to get people to carve up the meat and carry (the player went on a snack run anyhow). And as we're standing there a goddamn Sabretooth tiger pack jumps us! I just went WAT, WHY THE HELL ARE THERE SABRETOOTH TIGERS?! But you know, the CM won't listen and after that volcano incident with our last Hunting Group we just back off. So we fight the damn things, and we're so damn badly outnumbered. I poke my pointy stick through one, that gets it pretty badly, though then I end up with two goddamn flanking ones... And then the goddamn neanderthal just fucking PUNTS his one tiger, grabs on one of mine midrun and JUMPS WITH IT at the other, mashing them both against the ground, then picks them up while they're stunned and throw them into the pit. The CM just looked at him, stunned, as the Neanderthal showed his stats and the rules which allows it. Sure, the tigers get a few hits in, but nothing serious. So anyway, sapiens useless again, neanderthal so goddamn awesome.

>>4780572
Well, East Asians are certainly uglier.

>>4780622
Where's my West Asians at?

>>4780622
>Picture of a mostly white girl

So... do you have any proof?

>>4780622
Why does she look like her face is made out of plastic? Fukken gross.

>>4780628
Oh, I see. Delicious coffee-and-milk skintone aside, she obviously doesn't qualify as 'black'. You're a sharp one you are.

>>4780637
I'm sorry sir, but you're going to have to relinquish your balls. I'm suspending your manhood.

>>4780639
Her obvious white ancestry aside, look at where she's at and the clothes she's wearing. Clearly not a member of black culture.

>>4780651
I must demand that you relinquish your own balls, good Sir. You're clearly fapping to plastic dolls.

>>4780651
>You don't like an ugly girl that I find attractive, you're not a man.

No, you just don't have good taste.

>Fuck sapiens

Moar liek fuck homos, amirite?

Like, literally fuck them. brb, fapping to gay porn.

>>4780562
Eh, you know how some people are. Like to keep to one species and all that. Personally I feel it gets rather sameish. I mean, if everyone's generally good at the same thing...

But still, you know, not even a Neanderthal? And fucking sapiens no less. Enjoy getting killed by the first REAL challenge your CM throws at you.

I've heard that some European sourcebook include rules for mixing Neanderthal and Sapiens bloodlines to form "supersapiens". Really hate to see what will happen in a few thousand years!

>>4780728
Wait what? Didn't they use to say those always ended in hideous mutations? Goddamn...

Wow, I was really skeptical

/tg/ really is full of neckbeards

>>4780819
Congratulations, Captian Obvious.
Did you know /a/ is full of weeaboos and /k/ is overflowing with latent Nazi Uniform Fetishists?

>>4780870
>latent

Ummm....

>>4780870
What's /jp/ full of?

>>4780880
Failure.
As far as your eyes can see.

>>4780880
...ramen?

>>4780890
But I'm short-sighted.

>>4780905

Then you're in luck! The rest of us have to suffer with 20/20 vision.

You son of a bitch.

>>4780329
I hated when they added that expansion. I mean, who gives a damn about miniscule advantage/disadvantage mixes? Most of which have no real gameplay impact. "Pale skin will make you better at surviving with the food available in cold climates where there's less sun, but you'll stink like shit on toast in sunnier climes"
"You're not as easily blinded in snowy climes but" etc. Unnecessary zero-sum shit with no real fun added to the game. Of COURSE the Sapiens player jumps at the ability to make his Mary Sue a little more "unique". I'm glad they didn't include rainbow-eyes and pink hair, though they probably just cut that shit for space reasons. I heard they introduced "dying" for hair later on. Bastards.

>>4781135
By the way... Yes, I know, pale skin also gets the whole "burnt" thing and a bunch of other crap, but seriously, who gives a shit?

>you'll stink like shit on toast in sunnier climes"

Sorta like niggers, except they stink all the time.

Bitches don't know about Sapiens bonus feats.

>>4780880

Toe Hoes.

>>4781154
No, that's not among their specific features. Check page 14 again, right after the introduction to chapter 1. Not in there.

>>4781177
Check the ability scores section.

Niggers are given -4 CHA for a reason.

>>4781202
That's just against the Stupid Shithead Prestige Class.

>>4781202
To offset bonuses to strength, dexterity, and skill focus: jump and perform?
Also hide bonuses at night time (unless they smile)

>>4781252
You'll note that that penalty is universal. It also doubles with actual different species. Neanderthals, Erectus... I don't allow it in my group, it turns the game into Bedsheet Hat the Cave Story, and the Hunting Group would die against the first predator they faced.

>>4781275
EVERYTHING is offset somehow. Resident Sapientfag seems to love that damn book, can't see why it's even used. When you start adding a "Merits & Flaws" section to a system already designed it just makes the game clunkier, and there's always some fucker who wants to either use them to Op or to make their little Mary Sues into unique little snowflakes. Just look at Brown Bear's stuff.

>>4781275
>bonuses to dexterity

>>4781276
>universal
Do you not remember that Conquistador splatbook?

Pic related, dude used his army's lack of charisma penalty to take down a whole empire.

So to sum up, Erectus are best species.

>>4780622
I'd drag that back to my cave, sauce?