Twisted princesses? Are there more than this?

Sounds fucking stupid.

Thank you for the inspireing .jpg needed that for my SLA Industries campain.

rolled 10 = 10

What happens when a fiend rips out your soul, turns it into a manes, then puts it back?

>..one or more of the twisted disney princesses

No, not Disney but Brothers Grimm and HC Andersen, yes. In a Dark Post-CyberPunk/SciFi Setting too (SLA Industries).

>>5503797
To be perfectly honest, it sounds exactly like American McGee presents: Kingdom Hearts.

Make it about twisted princesses in general, nix the Disney angle and go for a more Grimm's fairy tales thing.

>>5503847
General Protection Fault followed by Blue Eyes of Death.

>>5503817

When you say Twisted princesses, do you mean.... the original stories before Disney cocked them up?

I'm not sure I would use a disney princess, but I once ran a game where the princess to be rescued turned out to be the BBEG. The guys holding her prisoner were trying to stop her from taking over the kingdom.

Sora's heart grants Fast Healing 3 and elemental resistances. The problem is, lil' fucker is still using it.

>>5503797
>>5503870
>>5503886
whoa. gonna be needing a whole lot of wyrmsage

>>5503901
No, that's more oldschool hardcore, and a different flavor then this stuff. But I do have a healthy respect for all the stuff before Disney got their hands on it. I mean, some adventures coming across sleeping beauty as her rape baby feeding while she still sleeps would be a good, disturbing random encounter.

zombie snow white is so much fucking hotter than her original self

>>5503984
Shit, I hadn't seen this one yet.... wasn't aware one could make Jane even more fuckable then she was!

>>5504005
Not much of a difference, really.

No, but I definitely am going to try to think of one my players might be interested in.

>>5503984
Jane is now even more fappable

>>5504014
I like this beast.

It could make for a fun game - but remember that PCs might decide that non-standard princess = monster to be killed.

>>5504036
>>5504017

The fuck is wrong with both of you

>>5504060
i like a dominant woman, what the hell is wrong with that?

>>5504060
She's wearing a fucking tiger. Thus, there's a decent chance she also fucks like a tiger.

>>5504098

"Save the good dragon from the evil princess," eh?

>>5504197
I'd play that.

>>5503797

Thank you, OP. I am going to throw this at my Changeling group next session.

No more princess? Oh, well.

>>5503865

This, is an awesome idea.

>>5504258
It's a shame. I was looking forward to Pocahontas and Mulan.

Complete Scoundrel actually has a whole chapter on this.

"Princess" is the name of the king's pet wyvern.

Either that, or the Princess you're supposed to be saving from peril actually ran off with her 'captor' and is quite happy where she is, thanks.

>>5504258
There is a mulan one, but I forgot to save it. She's a zombie.

>>5504060
Jane is hot.
Crazy women are hot.
Crazy Jane is megahot.

>>5503865
Make this idea more twisted.

We want paranoid players who will be unable to make easy decisions because so much potential for BAD END

Save Snow White before finding a way to control her? Her cannibal dwarves eat you.

Save Cinderella before she's cured of the crazy? She turns your head into a pumpkin then makes it explode.

Save Jane? She creeps into your tent in the middle of the night, slowly undresses then stabs both your eyes out.

>>5504304

Save Ariel before corruption X takes her over.

>>5504291

I'll just quickly get those arrows out of the way to start the lube going and then we can get to business

>>5504292
You make me want to watch Vampire Hunter D again (the more recent one). It's certainly a nice twist on the traditional 'the badguy kidnapped the girl' mission. Extra fun if you have a group that is good about roleplaying, and has enough differing opinions on the situation to cause conflict.

>>5504304
>Save Jane? She creeps into your tent in the middle of the night, slowly undresses then stabs both your eyes out...

...with sharp poisoned thorns glued to her nipples. Because NOBODY would expect that.

>>5504317

VERY YES, VERY VERY YES

Actually, this seems like a fun way to use the taint mechanics from Heros of Horror.

There's nothing wrong with grimdark KH. If you don't have a keyblade, even the vanilla KH becomes a decent survival horror setting.

Any more? There are a few females left I can think of.

>>5504340
I like the way you think.

>>5504368

>So the story behind Alice is after she's declared guilty, the Queen of Hearts and her army proceed to chase Alice through Wonderland. Unfortunately, Alice trips and hurts her leg, allowing them enough time to catch up to her. Alice is then dragged away by the Queen's soldiers. All of this is being watched by the Cheshire Cat who's hiding in the shadows. Alice is taken to the center of the Queen's garden maze where all the bodies of the many victims of the tyrannical Queen are discarded. And like all of the Queen's victims, Alice is beheaded and left in the center of the maze to rot. Unknown to the Queen, the Cheshire Cat followed her to the center of the maze and witnessed the tragic execution of the young girl. Once the Queen and her army has left, the Cheshire Cat appears. He feels extremely guilty for the death of this little girl...but that feeling soon passes, for the Cheshire Cat now had himself a new toy...a new body to posses...a new puppet to carry out his twisted motives. Wonderland WILL be his!

>>5504364
I never thought of that. Dear god, the casualties...

>>5504364

FUCK, FUCK, THE WORLD'S GOING TO END, HOW THE FUCK DO WE GET OFF OF THIS PLANET BEFORE THESE CREEPY ASS SHADOW THINGS GET US

Wait, what the fuck is this door doing here? Hey, rogue. Go pick the lock.

SHIT, THE DOOR JUST ATE THE ROGUE, WHAT THE HELL

>>5504449
So 'World Refugees' but with slightly better DMing and D&D classes.

>>5504364
>>5504418
>>5504449

Kingdom Hearts: Grimndark Edition.

FUND IT!

>>5504317
>>5504291
My day has been fucking made.

>>5504449
...and according to the lore, the only person who can save you is Mickey Mouse. Roll for sanity.

>>5504471
has to be done

>>5504322

"Before"?

Ariel sold her soul for youth, power and beauty and she knows it won't last. The only way she can keep going, the only thing that prevents her lungs from shriveling up and killing her is if she can convince a man to give her "True Love's First Kiss"- so she can suck out his soul and ferry it down to her tentacled masters in the crushing black depths.

And then another, and then another, and then another. For eternity.

>>5504098
That's a leopard. You a retard.

http://jeftoon01.deviantart.com/gallery/#Twisted-Princess

and here's the artist. He's got more on the way, but undecided which yet. Right now it's a tossup between Esmeralda from "Hunchback of Notre Dame", Wendy and/or Tinkerbell from "Peter Pan", and Megara from "Hercules".

>>5504493
i think you mean your a retard

>>5504508

i lol'd.

>>5504500
come on tinkerbell

>>5504471
Kingdom Hearts: You Are So Fucked edition

Let's do it /tg/

Let's fucking do it.

>>5504500
My vote's on Megara. What a fine-ass bitch.

>>5504500

>Esmeralda

At the risk of sounding like a complete retard on the Internet, I think I just had a horror-boner.

>>5504529
"In the world on the other side of the mirror, there is only war." (DoW intro music)

>>5504517
well my work here is done

>>5504529

Alright then. What system?

>>5504527
yeah, that's what I was hoping too. But odds are he'll probably do Wendy and Tink together since they're from the same setting.

>>5504500

Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. Esmerelda. DO FUCKING WANT.

>>5504605
i think tink and wendy would be the best

You can hurt the heartless, if you've a proper weapon. A stick won't cut it. Then, they have numbers. Hundreds, thousands, all screaming for your life, your heart, fuck, your fucking eternal soul, so they can add you to their hordes of raw, festering, hungering dark maws. Even zombism gives you rest of spirit. Become a heartless, and your very soul becomes one of the damned.

>>5504561

Eden System is flexible.

D20 everybody knows.

WoD could work well.

DH could work good too.

>>5504561
Well I'd be inclined to have a bunch of normal people from our world sucked into a twisted princess' world so a system that can handle normal humans vs supernatural monsters without the humans getting killed in round 1.

I think it would depend on 'how are the characters getting involved' as to what powers/abilities they have and thus what system.

Personally I'd go WoD with starting characters being mortals with the potential to learn low-level numina (psychic powers, faith, hedge magic etc) as they interact with the supernatural world - enough to make it interesting but not enough to ever overpower what they fight - fights should be about them learning about their foe and outwitting it - not blasting it in the head with hellfire or a shotgun until it goes down.

>>5504620
Wonderfully dark idea.

>>5504648
Why not hve the powers instead manifest due to a warped reality.

>>5504676
like some sort of magical mutation brought on by exposure to the new world

Hey guys. Nala.

So keyblade wielders are Exalts and it'd be mortal edition vs heartless?

>>5504695
Seriously, just hire an 18 year old to wash your balls or something.

>>5504711
>Upon returning to Pride Rock, Simba confronts Scar in order to regain his kingdom. The fight between Scar and Simba takes a turn for the worse. Nala notices that Simba is in trouble and leaves the hyenas to the other lionesses. She rushes to the top of Pride Rock just in time to see Scar land the finishing blow to Simba. In a fit of rage, Nala attacks Scar viciously, ultimately throwing him off the edge of Pride Rock, avenging Simba's death. However, the hyenas have overwhelmed the other lionesses, leaving Nala as the only surviving lion in the Pride Lands. The hyenas see their chance to finally rid the land of the lions once and for all and begin to pursue Nala without hesitation. With the help of Timon and Pumbaa, the injured Nala makes her escape. The three of them continue to fight the hyenas at every chance they get in order to win back the Pride Lands while preserving the beliefs of Mufasa and Simba.

>>5504695 (same guy here)

Well, since I'd be using D20 with Heros of Horror, why not have the powers manifest as a result of contracting any taint?

I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no way to make Timon and Pumba menacing

>>5504721
what?

>>5504695
Sounds good.

Or a reflection of characters warped personalities - i.e. a pyromaniac gets the ability to summon fire, someone who hears voices in his head gains telepathy etc.

What would be the short term/long term goals of the game/plot?

>>5504738
Probably not a meerkat, but a boar maybe.

If you do this, you *must* make one of the princesses a trap.

>>5504749
What else,
A) Survive long enough to figure out what the fuck is going on
B) Figure out how to stop it
C) Figure out how to get the fuck home

>>5504754
ariel

>>5504754
Just one?

Mulan would be my choice - because of the whole 'reverse-trap' backstory

>>5504738
I was just thinking the same thing.

>>5504774
Dire boar and Dire Weasel

>>5504785
he's a meerkat

>>5504767
Using a plot device ripped from a fantasy author (Everworld, Elseworld? fuck can't remember):

Characters are randomly dragged between their own world and the fucked up nightmare - nobody beleives them and they're not even sure if it is real.

Workable and/or good plot device?

>>5504785
Actually, Razor Boar

>>5504802
Like normal day life, but horrible nightmares where if you die or get too corrupt, you ide in real life, and if you go insane, you go insane IRL
>>5504799
Just use a fucking dire weasel.

>>5504785
It doesn't matter what they are, it's still Timone and Pumba.

>>5504831
>>5504802 here yeah pretty much what I was getting at.

Using modern-day characters allows you to bring in other 'child stories' to mes people up - Scooby Doo, Ghostbusters etc.

Zombie Daphne wants your braiiins

this is awesome. Now I want to include his in my next game.

>>5504891
scooby doo is possibly even less scary than timone and pumba

>>5504911

dire wolf

>>5504919

Evil Blink Dog

>>5504919
>>5504927
touche

>>5504545

Is there any decent Megara rule 34 out there, by the way? Every picture I've seen of her manages to butcher her look.

I have never played a tabletop game where we rescue a princess.

>>5504976
And I don't think you'll get to in this one.

>>5504976

You're missing out, Holmes. That's the bread and butter of the befuddled and badly-prepared DM.

>>5504802
>Characters are randomly dragged between their own world and the fucked up nightmare - nobody beleives them and they're not even sure if it is real.

What do you think Kingdom Hearts is? Mingame of a broken little boy, drugged beyond his senses, foaming on the mouth in a padded room of a secluded Disney-funded sanitarium.

>>5505069
Well yeah.

But I was thinking more characters finish one plot arc, get to spend a couple of days in the real world, find out they've fucked stuff up (or whoever was controlling their bodies whilst they were in la-la land has fucked stuff up) and then get dragged back into fantasy world.

Rather than 'you're in the padded room now bitch!'

>>5505097

How about instead the go back and forth between one fucked up world and then the real world, while they visit a fucked up world while they're sleeping.

>>5505097
*Sometimes* you're in the padded room. Not always. It doesn't seem to correlate with the real or the fantasy world. And the room is always different.

>>5505120
>>5505130
I like this. Keep the players guessing as to what is going on.

Now, villains: obviously the 'princess' are both the minibosses and the various objectives - but who is behind it all, who is the big bad?

>>5505152

Yeah, Bad ending on a princess, BBEG gets stronger, Good Ending on a princess, BBEG get weaker.

>>5504976
Really? What about a Prince?
A Duke/Duchess?
Rescuing royal types is always fun!

I guess the main thing I got from this thread are a few great ideas for making the 'rescue' the beginning of the quest, with alot of crazy as fuck complications to follow it. Afterall, they can't all be as easy to manage as backpack princess.

How about....George Lucas as the ultimate villain?

>>5505178
yeah but who will BBEG be?

>>5505258
Walt disney

>>5505286
You mean... Lich Disney.

They said he was frozen until they find a cure. The truth is... he turned into a lich and now is residing in his icy lair to stop himself from decomposing.

>>5505308
And the tears of broken childhood sustain him.

>>5505308
him and an army of zombie nazis

>>5505323
>>5505308
Okay, wait... how about this?

Disney's body is frozen in stasis, but his subconscious wanders... in his life he sowed so much positive energy (i.e. happyness) that there wasn't enough left for him to continue living in a physical body. So now, his soul tortures people to destroy their positive feelings and return it to him to recover his spirit... or something like that.

>>5505328
or some small creepy mickey mouse club hypnotized kids

>>5505385
Looking good.

>>5505385
i can see this actually happening

>>5505394
Led into battle by pedobear.

>>5505385cont

Now the question is, how do you get the players involved? You could go the direct way, and have them be the recipients of this torture... or you could put a twist in it.

The players are unknowingly the tools of Disney. They are basically sent into the nightmare world to kill the princesses. They are chosen because they have left their childlike happiness behind, and hence are ideal to shatter dreams... or have a twisted look on the world that twists the images of the story as well.

After purging through some of the worlds, you should sneak in one or two "dreams" in which they get out by "fixing" the world. This should tip them off that maybe harpooning Ariel wasn't the correct choice...

In the end, Disney reawakens. Maybe he is clueless, maybe he has a sudden "What have I done" moment...

Hmm... maybe his little remaining positive energy should be the opposition? As you destroy worlds, it gets stronger, always trying to save the stories...

>>5505560
It's...it's beautiful.

>>5505560

The idea of using Disney sounds a wee bit idioc. I think a Faceless BBEG sounds better. Isn't the point of this to make it Horror or quasi-Horror, versus what amounts to Horror then end up turning into what can best be describes as a big RPing pun?

>>5505721
I'll admit it's trippy. You could replace Disney any number of ways; it could be a fictional author for example.

Or you could use instead a kind of sapient collective imagination thing.Too much had been taken from it and now it wants it back. Actually, the idea that people are too happy right now and they shouldn't be because of some cosmic balance is intriguing... grim dark, but hey, we are grimming and darking up Disney.

You know, in a world of Grimdark princesses, would the opposite occur and make someone like Frolo one of the "good" guys?

>>5506011

Hmm... maybe not exactly a white-hat sort of character, but probably a lighter shade of grey.

>>5506056

You could make them so shit scared of what the princesses have become they instead want to do the good thing now and try to fix the world.

>>5506011

Radical inquisitor.

>>5506011

Hunchback of Notre Dame is on Youtube. There goes the rest of my day. Good thing I didn't have anything planned.

Ass.

>>5506056
It should be case by case. They would be probably fucking terrified that things aren't going by the script. Frollo anyway. Some would probably try to use the break to meet his own ends, etc...

>>5505721
Perhaps have him as an NPC, someone who may have some insight into what's going on. Possibly in creating the princesses, he created something else. . .unintentionally. . .

>>5506243
Something unintentional went wrong. . .

>>5506011

What's funny is that making Frollo a good guy would revert him some of the way back to his original characterization. In the novel, he really WAS a great guy, good and kind- with the secret flaw of wanting Esmeralda so much it drove him mad. He was a tragic character, not the out-and-out monster he is in the movie.

And yes, making the villains heroes would be awesome. Evil Mulan fights against the victorious army that killed her- who now protect the populace of China from the Dragon Lady and her pet beast.

The Queen of Hearts is the only source of stability in a land ruled by the Cheshire Cat's mad whimsy.

Snow White's evil stepmother fights a constant battle against zombie dwarves made out of teeth and hatred, the last desperate stand of civilization against the dark and threatening wood.

Maleficent is the only thing between Aurora and the death of all living things.

Villains forced to become heroes because the heroes are so much worse than they ever could be. I love it!

>>5506282
I love it!

/tg/ I don't know what you've done, but I love it!

Someone cap this.

>>5506282

And Ursula?

>>5506282
Clayton hunting Tarzan, who's responsible for killing his friends.

Shere Khan making sure that the population of the jungle stays down, so food won't run out.

So, here's some stat possibilities for Snow White, because I'm fucking awesome, and /tg/ gets shit done.

SNOW WHITE

Level 10 Human Bard

Str 10
Dex 12
Con 10
Int 16
Wis 20
Cha 20

Quote: " Surprised to see me, mother?"

Spells: (Note: Snow White should have Bard spells to take advantage of her singing and former good looks, but she should also take "celestial" magic, and druid magic, to represent her being a former hero and her new nature alignment- explained in my splat below.)

The princess will now brief you on your next mission.

>>5506413
Khan should be killing villagers to keep them from overpopulating/taking away more from the jungle. The little girl is really a baby making machine or something.

Story: Snow White is a little bit tiffed. Offed by her evil step-mother, Snow White's pure, innocent soul was killed in an excruciating manner- the sort of pain no one should be put through, much less an innocent. Soon thereafter, the Seven Dwarves met their own ends, being fed deadly meals of their own by the Step-Mother, who posed as Snow White with a bit of quick illusion magic.

That's when things went pear-shaped for the Queen. See, Snow White was innocent, and the spirit of the forest- the dark, deep woods- had become fond of her. She loved its animals, loved its paths, and was a sweet, kind thing. She didn't deserve to die.

So, stretching it's powers, the Spirit took Snow White back. It put her in her own body again- but the afterlife leaves marks. Snow White's eyes are gone, replaced by dark pits, effectively blinding her; the things she saw, none living were meant to see, and she can't remember the afterlife at all. It doesn't help matters that the spirit can't actually make her live again, just inhabit her own corpse- effectively, an intelligent zombie.

On the other hand, the forest, hunting protectors, also dragged the Dwarves back. While it couldn't do much for their undead flesh, it could make them immune to what killed them- their great snapping teeth and jaws protect them from poisons of any kind.

Furious at her death, and with the forest spirit's help, Snow White has decided to go to war. Capable of calling on the animals, she can also "see" by leashing at least one Dwarf to her side, using their eyes. She also carries the apple that killed her, since she wants to forcefeed the now rotting fruit to her step-mother.

Unfortunately for humanity in general, though, Snow White bears a grudge against her own people, since they left her to die, so she attacks everyone she comes across. The Queen's taken to teaching everyone black magic to survive.

Snow White should have Exalted feats, to mark her out as a hero, while the Queen should have Vile feats, to mark her out as a villain- though those roles have somewhat switched.

>>5506254
The question is:

what?

Can /tg/ think of anything?

>>5504364
What does a Keyblade do? I was under the impression that the Kingdom Hearts enemies were as susceptible to conventional weapons as anything else.

That said:

So, the Endboss is some form of "Negative Imagination Energy" that has shaped people's imaginations into twisted versions, and is made up of twisted versions of imaginations, and harvests its energy from people.

Its presence alters a world, but subtly, or over a long period of time.

When a Princess is destroyed, and that World's story ends, the Negative Imagination Energy is released and can be used to further subtly and slowly corrupt worlds. Presumably the Positive is absorbed into XP and loot for the players.

The BBEG may be a bastion of Grimification, but he doesn't just throw his shadow over a world. He changes it a little.
Then people's imaginations run wild, and the world becomes a little darker.
Then he changes it a little again.
And people's imaginations make the world become a little darker still.
A little input from him, a LOT of negative energy as a result, waiting for someone to End the story and Release the energy...

The players might think they can fight the Grim-ness by being more paranoid, or thinking outside the box.
That's what fucks them.
It's the players' own imaginations that subtly change the world they're in for the worse... Think planescape. With more darkness.

>>5506647
The Heartless result from what happens when a person imagines Themself as losing their soul to the grim, dark reality.
A heartless does not so much Kill the people they're targetting (although they are capable of doing so), as make their target receive fear and hopelessness and a negative view of the world around them.
It's not the Heartless that turn you into a monster.
The Heartless merely change the looks of your environment.
The one who turns you into a monster ... is yourself.
And the world becomes a little darker...

>>5506674
Sanity check!

>>5506674
A keyblade, then, is a source of uncorruptable positive imagination. The players do not have one, and have to make do with their own limited imagination, and limited diplomacy, and their own bloody genocide of everyone who disagrees, in order to change the consensus of a world back towards good.
Or perhaps, they just destroy it, netting themselves what good is left in the world (quite a bit), but also freeing up all the bad.

>>5506721
Of course, if you imagine a world where Genocide is the assbackwards solution to the world becoming negative, guess what happens?
The world becomes filled with genocide, and that's all kinds of terrible.
You've got to Accen~tuate the positive.
Elim~inate the negative.
Latch on~ to the affirmative
And don't mess with mister in-between.

But if you turn the world into a dance number, BBEG just uses a small amount of influence to make people think their jaws are sore, but they have to keep singing for the common good.
And the people think they are slaves, prisoners in their own world to the tyranny of Rhythm and Melody.
And the world gets a little darker...

Everything you do gets Xanatos'd into some type of Bad Imagination end. Hope that the players have enough good imagination in 'em to change the world directly, enough charm to convince others the world isn't such a bad place, and the resolve to cut down anyone being too loud and negative WITHOUT having bad feelings about it.

And then you'll end up having to cut Alice's head off again anyway when she picks up a polearm and charges at your ass. Well done, Hero! You planted a single flower in a square mile of shit.

Archive this please? Gotta sleep.

This thread ain't sagin' yet.
One question, though:
>>5506647
>>5506674
>>5506721
>>5506779
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU WIN THIS GAME?!

>>5506840

You drug everyone into being happy.

Here's a question, as it goes on, is there a dark concordant happening as the story goes on as the worlds seem to be sapped of all life, where they find out about each other? Or when they find out about each other, does it continue on with each of them trying to overwhelm the other's world with "Their" evil?

P.S. This has been archived.

>>5506846

Alternatively: Wake up from the dreams, and find a way to stay out of them.

>>5506861
What do you imagine it would be, good sir?

>HOW THE FUCK DO YOU WIN THIS GAME?!
No hope
No victory
Survival only
Final destination

>>5506282
How does Belle fit with this?

Father driven mad, Beast hung, Belle raped by Gaston, out for revenge, that sort of thing?

Duh. You start playing for the winning team and find a way to get a piece of that sweet, sweet negative energy.

>>5506891
Well, no-one rapes like Gaston.

>>5506891
Everyone rapes Belle.
But, some of it is good rape, and some of it is bad rape.
And then all problems are solved with rape. Happily ever after the end.

Shit, I've made good characters kidnap a princess.

>>5506902
Hm. But if nobody actually shows up and kills the princess, the story doesn't end, and you don't actually GET any negative energy, do you?
I mean you can turn yourself into a heartless, yeah, but your future employment prospects are then limited to "Heartless" and "Former Heartless".

>>5506880
>>5506902
>>5506951
I STILL DON'T GET HOW THE FUCK YOU WIN THIS GAME

So the big bad is a tangle of fear, despair, doubt, horror that ultimatly represents the antromorphic form of Bad End?

It calls in the players both because it feeds on their fears and disappointments but also because killing/destroying the princesses is the ultimate bad end, turning that which was good and fair into broken reflections of itself and then having them face an ignoble end?

>>5506282
Personally, I wouldn't go so far as to make the ex-villains heroes per say; they're just the lesser of two evils when compared to the mad princesses.

The Queen of Hearts is still a vicious dictator who would rule the realm with an iron fist... but that's better than the inconceviable tortures that the Cheshire Cat inflicts on anyone he catches.

A choice between a cruel stepmother and being viciously eaten by a pack of undead dwarves isn't much of a choice either, but the characters have to make such compromises in order to survive.

>>5507012
>antropomorphic
>anthro
>furry
You are giviing me nightmares.

>>5506985
Okay.
If you give yourself over to the negative, and then DON'T kill the princess, you're stuck on that world forever as a heartless.
If you give yourself over to the negative, and then DO kill the princess, that world goes bye, and all the negative energy in it gets sent to the BBEG - including your immortal soul, you die.
If you don't give yourself over to the negative, and then DON'T kill the princess, it looks like there's a good chance stuff with somehow end up worse anyway.
If you don't give yourself over to the negative, and then DO kill the princess, the BBEG gets all the negativity that's saved up to that point, and uses it to inspire further negativity.

How is this winnable?

The players harvest (the remaining) Positive energy from the worlds they destroy, and I guess then they have to corrupt negative stories with positivity.
The question, then, is:
Does it take more energy to convert Bad to Good, or more energy to convert Good to Bad?
What is stronger, and what does the universe tend towards?
Is this a story about how the universe is Good, and given some creativity, anything can be improved and uplifted faster than the forces of Bad can destroy it?
Or, is this a crapsack story about how Bad has a much easier time of screwing up all of (what's left of) the Good in the universe?
Or is it some kind of story of balance, where nobody ever wins?

>>5507012
Yeah basically, but with Imagination!
You Imagine horrible torture? You got it, son!
You Imagine the kingdom collapsing under its own weight? Shit yeah, let's roll with that!
You Imagine yourself turning into the monsters you hate? Well god damn john you are the demons, enjoy your demons.

>>5507069
In other words, it becomes a race against the clock. Break worlds as fast as possible as to harvest as much Positive power as possible as to outlevel the BBEG to destroy him. Then release the Positive stored in the PCs to restore the stories.

>>5507137
Add to that, there is of course not enough Positive left to restore the stories back to Disney level, thus the Grimm fairy tales are once more born for Disney to work with...

History forever repeats.

>>5507137

And then after a few victories you pull an asshole DM trick and put the players in a world that is still unbroken.

Will the players notice in time or will they follow standard procedure and hand The Broken a big victory?

>>5507137
Wrecking worlds levels the PC and the BBEG at the same rate, assuming 50% positive and 50% negative. If your PCs show up on a 100% positive "Not yet crapsack" world and proceed to wreck it, you bet your ass they're going to have moral sliding issues.

I'm thinking the PCs don't represent Absolute Good, so much as they represent Good's ability to adapt, survive and thrive. The PCs have to use their own energy to right a world, while ensuring the BBEG spends a lot MORE energy trying to keep it broken. Or perhaps they just make the world 55% good, 45% bad. In the long run that's a victory.

The players are dropped into a world whose initial situation is Twisted Disney, a world that runs on Imagination, and which is being played on both sides by the PC and the BBEG (assuming the PCs have worked this out yet. Don't tell them.).
The winning move is to fight on worlds and make them a little better, so the PCs gain a slight edge, and it adds up.

See? game is winnable with a bit of metaknowledge that you'll pick up by playing. :-)

>>5507173
Yeah, players don't get XP from slaying helpless princesses, they have to fight for Good, same way whatever their enemies are schemes for Evil.

Maybe that's why Mr. Lich Disney doesn't just go around harvesting World War II novels and H.P. Lovecraft. He can only harvest what he's changed INTO evil. Probably the same for the players - they only get XP for MAKING things good.

>>5507277
EVIL CANNOT BE ZERO SUM.
DEAR GOD YOU FAIL ECONOMICS FOREVER.

>>5507289
Evil's not Zero sum you dumbass. There's evil inherent in people's imaginations and the BBEG just screws things a little in order to bring it forth.

>>5507311
So this is just a race to see who can get the most expression from others' creativity?
This is just a competition to see if others' imaginations produce more Good, or more Bad?

THIS IS SOME DISNEY-ESQUE BULLSHIT ABOUT WHETHER PEOPLE IMAGINE (BELIEVE IN) GOOD, OR WHETHER THEY IMAGINE (BELIEVE IN) BAD?
GOD DAMN IT.
YOU TRIED TO GRIMMIFY DISNEY.
YOU MADE THE VERY ESSENCE OF DISNEY.
YOU SUCK.

But in our version of disney, Jane and Pocahontas rape you.

I SEE YOUR POINT. PROCEED.

So should we try doing stats? I mean, we could totally stat everyone, and give the Princesses a "negativity" stat- the total negative energy of their world.

And that the "Positive Energys" are items that had something to do with the story like
jasmine- the Lamp
Alice- the rabbit's clock
Pocahontas- the compass
Mulan- That hair things(I don't know)
Belle- the rose
(Need help with the other)
Players must find those relics to fixs the world... my just thinking?

>>5507850
oh wow, I read that as
>Alice- the rabbit's cock

>>5507850

Esmeralda - The scarf or one of Quasimoto's dolls.

>>5507850

I think there should be something about need to find some catalyst to fix the girls.

Full list could be:

Alice--Queen's Card Deck: And the PCs must beat her in a game of cards that when she loses, turns into a battle.
Beauty-Petal's of Beast's Rose, which have to be fashioned into a necklace or so and placed upon her.
Cinderella-Fairy Godmother's Wand, which must be used to summon back the FGM, who can perform the ritual to restore Cinderella to normal(but cinderella attacks, so you have to protect her).
Jane-No item here. This should be fixed some otherway
Jasmine-Aladdin is trapped somewhere, you have to free him, get the lamp to him so he can wish Jasmin to normal
Mulan-No item to find, instead you need to lead her to her Ansector's cemtary and purge the connections between the angry spirits and the girl
Pocahontas-Have to find 4 artifacts of her people (arrow of wind, amulet of rock, braiser or fire, chalice of water) and use them to expunge shadow spirits from her
Sleeping Beauty-The needle of the spinnng wheel, which must be used to put her to sleep, then draw out her nightmares and destroy them.
Snow White-Find a pure apple in a field or rot and use it to heal her.
Little Mermaid-Find the shell that held her voice(and now her soul) and return her soul to her.

Tink & Wendy (Composite boss)- Peter's feather, which, I don't know, thought to think of something
Esmerelda-Quasimoto's Doll, Frolo's Cross, and Her scarf. Figure it also outyour self.
Meg-An amulet which contain's Hercule's soul must be retrived from Hades for her.
Nala-The PCs must reclaim pride rock.

Fuck, if you wanted to keep the game going on forever, you could use all of Disney's movies. My personal favorite?

Brave Little Toaster. What normal person wouldn't flip their shit to find themselves in a world with walking, talking, moving appliances?

Nightmare Mode: Insert the Emperor's New Groove, the Black Cauldron, the Jungle Book, and Lilo and Stitch into this.

Also, Wall-E and Up. And if you're willing to use the Studio Ghibli movies that Disney has released, My Neighbor Totoro.

I fucking love this thread. GG guys, keep it up.

>>5508451

>Wall-E

Every time I think about that movie, I remember the part where the little guy is desperately trying to hold the plant receptacle open, and something gets in my eye and I REFLEXIVELY have to tear up to get rid of it.

>>5508451
Stitch is a crazy alien. Play off of that.

Black cauldron shouldn't be that hard.

So, what system does /tg/ recommend for this?

>>5508594
Black Cauldron is hard because Disney basically doesn't admit it ever existed and it's nigh impossible to find reference material for the movie version.

It's like the Song of the South, except without any catchy music.

>>5508857
WoD or D20 with Heros of Horror