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    74 KB Eclipse Phase - Transhumanist Nerdrapture Gone Wrong Mk.III Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:00 No.5642930  
    Last thread is here >>5633355

    Your mind is software. Program it.
    Your body is a shell. Change it.
    Death is a disease. Cure it.
    Extinction is approaching. Fight it.

    Eclipse Phase is a tabletop roleplaying game of transhuman conspiracy and horror.

    Humanity stands on the cusp of a new age, with accelerated technological growth converging toward a singularity point, promising an undreamt-of future. Despite the ecopocalypse and social upheavals on Earth, humanity has conquered the solar system and partially terraformed Mars. Advancements in biotechnology, nanotechnology, artificial intelligence, and cognitive science have transformed our lives. Everyone is wirelessly networked with the world around them, AIs process vast amounts of information, and nano-fabrication enables people to “print” complex devices from the molecular level—at home. Biotechnology allows people to genefix, enhance, and clone their bodies, while others pursue body modifications to adapt to new environments or make themselves into something no longer quite human. People’s minds and memories can be digitized, uploaded, transferred over long distances, and downloaded into new bodies (biological or synthetic). Death has been defeated—for those who can afford it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:01 No.5642939
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    From within, disaster struck. Transhumanity reaped the rewards of its arrogance when conflict spiked between the battered nations of Earth, already weakened by decades of climate catastrophes and other disruptive factors. Rampant netwars soon exploded into physical conflicts with spiraling body counts. In the midst of these aggressions, a group of military AIs known as TITANS quietly achieved full sentience and autonomy, and rapidly began exponentially incrementing their own intellectual growth. The AI intelligences spawned by this hard-takeoff singularity quickly turned against transhumanity, enveloping the system in unprecedented levels of violence, disaster, and warfare. What began as a whirlwind of conflict between political factions, revolutionaries, and hypercorps soon escalated into a struggle between man and machine.

    In just a few years, transhumanity was nearly wiped out with nuclear strikes, biowarfare plagues, destructive nanoswarms, infowar attacks, mass uploads, and other unexplained singularity events, ripping the superpowers of old to pieces. Our planetary home—Earth—was transformed into a toxic and strange hellhole, while many major habitats were left frozen sarcophagi in the vacuum of space. Just as quickly as they came, the TITANS disappeared, taking millions of uploaded minds with them, leaving behind a network of wormhole gateways. Known as Pandora Gates, these poorly-understood devices allow instantaneous teleportation to distant star systems—often one-way and/or fatal. Though only a handful of Pandora Gates are known to exist—each highly contested—the foolish, brave, curious, and desperate are already risking certain death to enter and explore what lies beyond.
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    In the aftermath of the Fall, transhumanity lives on, divided into a patchwork of hypercorp combines, survivalist stations, transhuman faction species, and city-state habitats. Under the oppressive police states of immortal inner-system oligarchies, advanced technologies remain highly restricted, and refugee infomorphs are held in virtual slavery or resleeved in robotic bodies and forced into indentured labor. In the outer system, rebel transhuman scientists and techno-anarchists struggle to maintain a new society—from each according to their imagination and to each according to their need. And on the fringes and in the niches lurk networked tribes of political extremists, religious fanatics, criminal entrepeneurs, and bizarre posthumans, among other, stranger, and more alien things ...

    Though most claim the Fall was carefully orchestrated by the out-of-control TITANS, others whisper that the driving powers behind the wars—both AI and transhuman—were infected by a mutating virus with multiple infection vectors—biological, information, nano—dubbed the Exsurgent virus. Whatever its source, this virus has been known to sometimes transform its victims into something unexplainable ... something monstrous and reality-altering. Whatever the truth, the remnants of the TITANS and this virus were left to the desolated ruins or driven to the edges of the system, where they remain hidden away in dark corners, quietly waiting to infect the minds of the scavengers and explorers who find them ...

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:03 No.5642959

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:05 No.5642982
    y hello there marketing
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:07 No.5643002
    I still find it hard to believe that Islam was able to adapt to changing times more then Judiasm (Like they ever cared what anyone thinks of them.) And Christianity (which is adaptive as all get out looking at it's history.)
    I mean hell Islams legal code is still Medieval Level in many area's. (Stoning, Hanging, Womens Rights, Honor Killing and etc.)
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:10 No.5643030
    Repostan from old thread:

    There's a post on the devlog about that. It's not the hardcore fundamentalist "KILL ALL JEWS" type of Islam that you see on the news; it's more of the 11th-century kind that was developing medicine and algebra while the West was still trying to climb out of the Roman Empire's ashes.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:11 No.5643031

    Yeah - But we don't know how far exactly in the future the world is.

    There's probably still a few reactionary Imams in their own little asteroid or oort colonies (as if they would live with the Jovian Great Satan who shares many of their ideals)
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:11 No.5643033
    So I am stuck between three ideas so far. An uplifted Raven named Allan bird hacker extraordinaire. A gatecrasher Fall escapee that never wants to return to earth and wants to explore/find a new home for transhumanity. And a Scumborn Engineer/Black marketeer that is trying to get away from her homeship and its squalor .
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:12 No.5643048
    How about that colony ON THE MOTHERFUCKING SUN HOLY SHIT
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:13 No.5643059
    Fire whales fuck yeah!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:13 No.5643063

    Seems to me Christianity/Judaism have been spiraling down in religious fervor anyway. It may not be that they couldn't adapt, but that no one bothered to adapt them in the face of transhumanism.

    Islam's radicals and moderate followers may just have been the only ones to cling to their god while transforming into machines.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:14 No.5643073
    Islam survived cause nostalgia goggles, Christianity and Judaism sold out
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:15 No.5643093
    raven pet, smuggler player
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:16 No.5643102
    Like the idea, hate the setting. I felt much the same way about that transhumanist homebrew setting /tg/ came up with a few months ago. Cyberstorm or something. It's like a game is not a game unless there's shit to kill you.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:17 No.5643106

    this seems like a good game, moreover, its free. Better this than editionwars and flairfaggottry
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:17 No.5643107
    Islam is well, very mathematical and poetic, opposed to the whole desertcrawler vibe in the Old Testament, and the whole fishfucker vibe throughout the New Testament.

    So if any religion continues to live on in the future, it'll be Islam. Once it was synonymous with art and science, and it will happen again.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:18 No.5643114

    Only in some parts. Shit, Islam was pretty progressive until the 80s. The the fundamentalists took over.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:18 No.5643116
    So a space pirate?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:19 No.5643129

    Abrahamic religions are already dead. Future belongs to animism!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:20 No.5643134
    actually theres very little that can "kill" you
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:20 No.5643139

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:21 No.5643149

    chaosmagicfag here, some things will just never die
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:21 No.5643156
    >It's like a game is not a game unless there's shit to kill you.

    I guess you didn't read the first ten pages of the book where TITAN manhacks try to cut the heads off a team of firewall agents.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:21 No.5643159
    better yet play an Islamic cleric (lol buffer) so this discussion actually accomplishes something
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:23 No.5643168
    You don't die, you only go insane from explosure to cthulhu (which is made from matrioska brains). In the end effect is the same and you have to make new character...
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:23 No.5643179
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:24 No.5643185
    I think one of the biggest things people are forgetting: Humanity almost went extinct.

    I'm not exactly sure what the population total is in the setting, but I think it's no more than 500 million. The largest surviving population is Mars with 200 million.

    Every other planet seems to have between 1 and 20 million people.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:25 No.5643194
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    Now, can I post it tomorrow? I CALL DIBBS ON TOMOROW! Yay!!

    Seriously, it seems to be a nice game, but we've been having this same threat for at least 3 days. NONSTOP!

    Sounds like viral marketing to me. And you know how 4chanfags (from all boards) might react thowards viral marketing... Things might change from "awesome" to "lame" in a few days.

    So, chill guys. Let it rest for a while. Let people play it, and create nice useful threads about it.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:25 No.5643196

    and this is what makes this game awesome. I have to finish readint it, leave me alone /tg/
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:25 No.5643197
    One of the developers said they wanted to leave that intentionally blank, but that it's probably more than 100 years from now, and less than 200 years from now.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:26 No.5643211
    How can it be marketing when it's being officially given away for free?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:30 No.5643240
    at least they're keeping it all into one thread, with useful info on first post in case someone wants to know. I always like when people do that.
    Better this than the umpteenth thread about overtalked topics.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:32 No.5643262
    Well, there's going to be another thread on monday, assuming the DM doesn't flake.

    Speaking of which, poastan my character.

    Background: Infolife
    Faction: Mercurial
    Morph: Modified Slitheroid
    Gender Identity: None
    Actual Age:
    Current Moxie: 3
    Motivations: +AGI Rights, +Research (Security Systems), +Exploration

    TOTAL: COG 25 / COO 25 / INT 15 / REF 15 / SAV 10 / SOM 25 / WIL 15

    Moxie: 3 / Trauma Threshold: 6 / Lucidity: 30 / Insanity Rating: 60 / Wound Threshold: 13 / Durability: 65 / Death Rating: 120 / Initiative: 90 / Speed: 1 / Damage Bonus: 2

    Armor: 34/29

    Melee Weapon: Cyberclaws / Skill: 55 / AP: -2 / DV: 2d10+10 / Notes: Pneumatic Limbs add +1d10, Damage Bonus +2, Synth +2
    Ranged Weapon: Automatic Rifle / Skill: 75 / AP: -4 / DV: 3d10+6 / Modes: SA, BF, FA / Ammo: 500 Hollow Point, 30 Mag / Range: 150\250\500\900 / Notes: Mounted Right Arm, Smartlinked
    Ranged Weapon: Seeker Rifle / Skill: 80 (90 Homing) / AP: -8 / DV: 3d10+12 / Modes: SA / Ammo: 50 HEAP\10Smoke, 6 Mag / Range: 5-150\300\1000\3000 / Notes: Mounted Left Arm, Smartlinked, HEAP [Homing Ammo]

    Negative Traits: Real World Naiveté, Social Stigma (AGI), Edited Memories, On The Run (Exotech), Black Mark 1 (Exotech)

    Positive Traits: Expert (InfoSec), Tough (Morph) 2, Situational Awareness, Right At Home (Synth)

    I've been making a few changes here and there as I go along.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:32 No.5643263
    rolled 394 = 394

    So in this system could I, make a character that fights thing using overly large metal arms with rocket engines in them or something to punch REALLY hard?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:34 No.5643283
    2.hide thread
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:36 No.5643307
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    I'd rather have viral marketing of an awesome game like Eclipse Phase instead of the umpteenth post about the total suckage that is D&D 4E, which doesn't even approach 0,1% of EP's originality.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:37 No.5643313
    I'm sure you could purchase a Reaper synth and put up your Unarmed Combat to 90, sure.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:38 No.5643318
    >D&D 4E, which doesn't even approach 0,1% of EP's originality.

    I would like to point out that EP's 'originality' is basically just taking ideas from a bunch of transhumanist sci-fi novels and combining them into an RPG setting.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:39 No.5643328
    While true, that doesn't mean it isn't fun or interesting.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:40 No.5643330
    idea dump
    so you wake up with a two year gap and you're sure you weren't doing anything out of the ordinary when it turns out you're a redundant copy besides witch your alt has manged to royally piss of a hypercorp ...who are the ones who raised you, guess I should have been careful where i made that backup
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:40 No.5643333
    Meanwhile 4E takes ideas from a bunch of fantasy novels and combines them into an RPG setting.

    Except, oh wait, there are thousands of RPGs and games that does that.
    There's a handful that do what EP does.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:40 No.5643336
    >how can advertising be related to marketing anyway?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:41 No.5643342
    Since all you transhumanists have gathered in here... I'm working on a campaign in the not-too-near-future.

    Earth is covered under deep sheaths of glacial ice.
    Below the surface, humans live in groundscrapers, where biology and technology merge into one...
    They had a Machine War in the past, against an military AI with some serious virtual mental problems.

    I'm really at a loss here, because I don't really know that much about this stuff...
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:42 No.5643354
    Yeah, that kind of shit can happen.

    If you commit too hideous a crime, you can be wiped from all databases, ever.

    But then, all you need is a portable hard-drive to back yourself on to and you're effectively immortal - except you're also in hibernation and completely useless until you're uploaded on to the Mesh or resleeved.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:43 No.5643368
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:44 No.5643370
    Biomorphs are the biological sleeves, right? They're mostly cloned and mass-produced and so on, grown in vats and stuff. Then, cortical stacks are installed and they act as sleeves for previous consciences.

    Aren't there any clone rights or anything? Are clones viewed as incapable of sentience? Aren't biomorphs allowed to develop their own intelligence or are they incapable of possessing intelligence?

    It just seems to me that since bodies no longer matter, you could just pump out millions of clones to create millions of new people, allow them to develop, copy their personalities and continue.

    Or, heck - get one clone, back-up its personality upon birth and replicate it a billion times. From there, they can all progress differently.

    It seems like humanity's on the verge of instinction when reproduction is so darn easy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:44 No.5643372
    except hedonism, no one wants that

    mind born cult, we never progress from one body to the next we are conscience born of conscience,
    lament the loss of your predecessor gather gifts of knowledge for your progeny
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:46 No.5643385
    oh for fuck's sake
    I'm a 'tard.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:50 No.5643409
    rolled 3 + 4 = 7

    The only problem with this is that you suffer stress if you wake up with a gap in your memory.

    Which in your case would be 1d10+4. Bonus: if you take more stress damage than your trauma threshold, you get a derangement.

    If you're not very good at handling stress, it'd be a good idea to keep your backup updated.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:50 No.5643418

    Someone's pissed we're talking about something that isn't warhammer or D&D.

    OK, Plot Idea -

    Alcor (RL Cryonics Company) has a bunch of bodies still left on earth, frozen at various points from the 1960's to a few weeks before the fall. According to their estimates, the various precautions they had taken to keep the cryonics capsules from failing are about to run out.

    Alcor now doubles as an an investment firm still struggling to get into the new economy. The problem is that if the bodies aren't being preserved, they are now liable for all sorts of shit.

    Utilizing ties they had established with Firewall and some Reclaimationists, your players have been tapped for a desperate rescue mission to earth to retrieve as many suspended individuals or heads as they can.

    Oh, by the way, there's been signs of unknown activity in the area. Good Luck.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:51 No.5643421
    This is Cowboy Bebop with immortal cyborgs, anyway sure there are clone-rights movements, just like there are segregation movements. Space sorta screws with civil rights for a while and you can basically get stalled in court forever, literally.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:52 No.5643432
    They tried that. Exactly that. It ended with the "Lost" generation. Basically a bunch of kids who went flipping mental.

    The program was pretty much stopped after that.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:53 No.5643436

    That's kind of like my 'Oneist' idea, except more accepting of their fate. But - what happens if you Jump back to an old body you've since stored for future use. Rep doesn't grow on organ trees, you know.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:53 No.5643443
    No one wants to help a brother out?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:54 No.5643447
    Interesting concept. That's another method of repopulations. Uncovering the cyrofrozen from Earth.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:55 No.5643453
    Only you can decide what you like and what you want to put in.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:55 No.5643462
    this is a campaign starter so i think that could be waived with the rational that the hypercorp has a vested interest in keeping you stable so they keep you sedated until the necessary conditioning is *almost* complete, maybe you get mind born counseling= new character
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:55 No.5643463
    Except why would they go mental?
    Makes no sense.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:56 No.5643466
    Download it in EP, and run the setting using EP's rules.

    I mean, it's free, it's about transhumanity, it's basically all win-win for you.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:56 No.5643471
    Heh, you'll never be quite sure what you're bringing back though...
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:57 No.5643475
    Well, I don't know man. I kind of like the idea of AI developing like children...

    Maybe the rogue AI "had a bad youth"?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)16:58 No.5643483
    your a copy among millions
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:02 No.5643510
    Hi, welcome to the future! I'm a talking Octopus. We just saved your cryo-frozen corpse from a killer Nanoswarm. We couldn't bring the whole body so we cut off your head and escaped into our base on the sun because Earth's not safe anymore.
    But don't worry, we put your mind in a new body. Your Personal data said something about you "wishing to be the little girl" didn't it?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:02 No.5643515
    You're BIOLOGICALLY a copy in a society where biology is not permanant.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:03 No.5643522
    They tried to force 18 years of growing up into 3 years, with the result of HOLY SHIT CRAZY.

    Oh, and then they all got somehow infected with an Exsurgent virus, and lots escaped. And nearly half of them have murdered by the time they're 12 years old.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:04 No.5643531
    There are actually specialized child bodies called "Neotenics", primarily used by mechanics, engineers and some scavengers to get to the hard to get places in machine and so on.
    However, most people will just look at you and consider you another pervert who wants to play with his little girl sleeve.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:06 No.5643545
    Aren't they post-fall? Twelve years old would be impossible.

    But, I see your point and if they were infected, well, I guess I can understand then.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:06 No.5643547
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:07 No.5643555
    After the sample was selected, all subjects
    were sleeved into our fast-growth futura-brand
    biomorph bodies and inducted into customized
    simulspace accelerated learning environments.
    The project made extensive use of emergent
    technologies and techniques culled from re-
    captured TITAN facilities, including neogenetic
    traits for the futura morphs and time distortion
    applications for captive simulspace popula-
    tions. Futura ran concurrently on three differ-
    ent research stations with a combined staff of
    2,211 researchers and support personnel and
    45 AGIs custom-programmed for expert child
    development. Project goals were to raise each
    child to a subjective 18 years life experience in
    3 years objective time.

    So yeah, stupid plan.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:07 No.5643559
    You can read the whole thing on page 235
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:09 No.5643575
    >techniques culled from re-captured TITAN facilities

    And they didn't see something like this happening?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:09 No.5643577
    Are we talking about the same Islam?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:10 No.5643581
    <begin excerpt>
    PSICLONE Project Quarterly Board Meeting
    2nd Quarter 8 AF
    FUTURA Project Conclusion—
    Executive Summary Report
    Prepared by Dr. Amelia Sheppard
    Per request, I have compiled a review of the Futura Project and its fallout, 5 years after whistleblowers and intense media attention forced us to end the project and release the remaining subjects (dubbed “the Lost” by popular media).

    Futura was a joint initiative spearheaded by Hanto Genomics and strongly backed by Cognite, with numerous other partners (complete list). The project was initially proposed by my mentor, Dr. Antonio Pascal, whose team had proven the feasibility of Accelerated Life Experience Training (ALET) after a series of pilot studies with two small (N<1000) samples. While it is true that these early pilot studies used both older subjects and a lesser amount of time dilation, the rationale for the Futura Project’s ambitious program was justifi ed by a remarked decrease in transhumanity’s population due to the Fall, a system-wide stagnant population growth rate (blamed on various factors including increased longevity, available contraception, and rising despair over troubling times), as well as a desire to move aggressively into a new technological sector in the hopes of obtaining a competitive advantage.

    Futura began immediately in the wake of the Fall with an initial seed population of test subjects culled from extant genetic material and gestated to between 1 week and 6 months after birth. Of these, less than 10% were live births from either a surrogate or genetic birth mother who had perished during the Fall. The majority came from our Lunar and Martian labs and were brought to term within an exowomb.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:10 No.5643583
    After the sample was selected, all subjects were sleeved into our fast-growth futura-brand biomorph bodies and inducted into customized simulspace accelerated learning environments. The project made extensive use of emergent technologies and techniques culled from recaptured TITAN facilities, including neogenetic traits for the futura morphs and time distortion applications for captive simulspace populations. Futura ran concurrently on three different research stations with a combined staff of 2,211 researchers and support personnel and 45 AGIs custom-programmed for expert child development. Project goals were to raise each child to a subjective 18 years life experience in 3 years objective time.

    Despite omnipresent observation and real-time adjusting of the simulspace and educational programming for optimal normality, somewhere along the way the project suffered a breakdown in quality assurance and parameter monitoring that resulted in a near total failure at empathy modeling. We fi rst observed this effect 11 months into the project when the subjects had aged to approximately 6 years of age. Incidences of animal cruelty and acting out had spiked, though at that time they remained within acceptable standards. Over the next few months this trend continued and Dr. Pascal authorized the usage of more authoritative “parenting” to attempt to correct for the borderline sociopathic behavior that was being exhibited by 23.19% of all subjects by the 18- month mark (9 years of age).
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:10 No.5643584

    Because their development was accelerated
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:11 No.5643589
    We now know that these changes had the unintended consequence of suppressing overt displays of cruelty and violence and merely taught the majority of subjects how to conceal their psychoses. It was also at this time that the fi rst deaths occurred. The initial waves were thought to be accidents and both the victim and perpetrator were usually backed up to a week or so of subjective time. Post-project analysis now shows that 43.87% of our subjects had engaged in at least one act of premeditated murder by the 24-month mark (12 years of age) and the counseling protocols were only training them how to lie more effectively.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:11 No.5643590
    No, because I'm talking about the Islam from the art/history/religion books, and you're talking about the Islam from Fox-News.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:12 No.5643591
    It was at this point that myself and Dr. Aaron Bharani advocated pulling the plug on the project and bringing the subjects out to real time and intensive counseling. Dr. Pascal vetoed our concerns without ever taking them to the board. As the project spiraled towards its conclusion, a fork of Dr. Bharani went public at the 34 month mark, inciting a fi restorm of controversy. While Dr. Pascal successfully tied up investigators, hoping to see the project through to its conclusion, the incident at our Legacy research station occurred. Initial fi ndings concluded that one or more of the subjects had escaped the program and were in fact responsible for the habitat’s environmental failures and the thousands of subsequent deaths. In the face of intense public and private scrutiny, many of the partners involved in the project attempted to pull out and even eliminate all traces of their involvement. In the resulting chaos, an estimated subjects were quietly released into the system’s general population. It was only after this occurred that all known subjects were identifi ed as having been infected with the Watts-Macleod strain of the Exsurgent virus, though when and how this occurred remains troubling and unclear. Though later orders resulted in all remaining subjects being euthanized and/or backed up into cold storage, only of the released subjects were recaptured. Of the rest, pursued sanctuary with sympathetic authorities, went public and submitted themselves to extensive psychotherapy, were killed in incidents of violence and not resurrected, and the rest presumably went into hiding.
    <end excerpt>
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:15 No.5643617
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:16 No.5643632
    Damn, boy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:16 No.5643633
    I thought it was they got fucked up by some virus or something and the acceleration prevented anybody from catching it till it was too late.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:19 No.5643657
    I'm talking about the Islam from History. Dont buy into all the Fluff thats been floating around recently.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:22 No.5643681

    actually, every new born is essentially that: a new clone with a brand new personality. The problem is that they can't mass produce it because of resource and they can't accelerate it because of OMG GOING CRAZY. Have to take things slowly
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:22 No.5643693
    he has stocks from nearly half the hypercorps,
    new galactic overlord!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:25 No.5643729
    Since when is Fox-News a viable historical source?

    Last time I checked, they were looking for hackers on steroids, suicide-terrorist doctors and Nintendo DS pedophiles.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:30 No.5643771
    Based on rules from http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=470503

    Based on a species genetically engineered for combat shortly before the Fall, these hulking, vaguely reptilian bipeds stand about 2 meters tall.
    Implants: Basic Biomods, Basic Mesh Inserts, Cortical Stack
    Aptitude Maximum: 25 (20 COG and SAV)
    Durability: 50
    Wound Threshold: 10
    Advantages: Claw Attack (1d10 + 2 + (SOM ÷ 10) DV, AP -2, use Unarmed Combat skill), +5 REF, +5 Fray, +10 Unarmed Combat, +10 SOM
    Disadvantages: -10 Languages (all), -5 to all weaponry skills (except Unarmed Combat and Throwing)
    CP Cost: 25
    Credit Cost: High
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:40 No.5643866
    Reaper is superior.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:41 No.5643883
    Tachikoma (Synthetic)

    Multiple engagements between the secret organisations Firewall and Project Ozma have convinced Firewall that it needs a Synthetic Morph capable of standing toe-to-toe with anything the enemy can throw at it. The result was the Tachikoma, specially built to perform in nearly any environment with complete autonomy and competency. The current lack of lack of Vacuum capable movement is rumoured to of been addressed in a new model scheduled to be brought into operation in the near future.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:43 No.5643895
    A Tachikoma's already just an AGI in an Arachnoid with multiple gun implants.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:48 No.5643929

    a very smooth looking arachnoid
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:54 No.5643967
    >Advantages: Claw Attack (1d10 + 2 + (SOM ÷ 10) DV, AP -2, use Unarmed Combat skill), +5 REF, +5 Fray, +10 Unarmed Combat, +10 SOM
    >Disadvantages: -10 Languages (all), -5 to all weaponry skills (except Unarmed Combat and Throwing)

    These are just stupid. Advantages or disadvantages should not be given to skills.

    Obviously the implication is that the morph cannot speak very well, or hold weapons very well. But when you consider that it's just a shell, a body, and that the entity that is actually skilled is the mind, it doesn't work out.

    Imagine this: You've got a character fluent in Russian. They hop in this morph, and suddenly they can't speak russian fluently anymore, even if the message is completely digitized.

    Or how about a character who's in this morph, but wirelessly connected to a weapons platform? The morph gives them a magical disadvantage to shooting things.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)17:58 No.5643998

    It should just be more specific that the disadvantages are given to using the morph as the basis for those skills.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:01 No.5644013
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    Stat us.
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    fury morph!

    anyways, what about people who don't believe in resleeving? that either something intangible is lost in the process or the process itself is flawed - uploading just kills a person and copies their memories onto a black slate.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:07 No.5644051

    maybe there are flaws inherent in the deathclaw brain structures that control language and fine motor control?

    if you upload into a damaged or flawed biomorph, you're gonna have problems.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:12 No.5644086


    See: Pretty much the entire Jovian Republic
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:13 No.5644092
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    Has anyone statted me yet?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:13 No.5644093
    These communities are viewed as highly flawed and are slowly dying out.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:17 No.5644112
    So, I think I've finally settled on a character.

    Basically an arrogant smooth talking hacker. Originally from a small scum barge, she wound up signing on with the Nine Lives. In addition to being involved in the soul trade via Nine Lives, she's also engaged in drug trafficking and the underground X-casting scene. Extremely narcissistic, she utilizes a fork of herself as her muse, uses forks of herself for sexual pleasure, and ultimately aspires to create multiple alpha forks of herself to create an organization similar to Pax Familiae. Additionally, she's abnormally protective of her forks, as she views them as the only people equal to herself. Her love for her forks earned her the ire of the Jovians after she rescued a fork of herself that was undergoing aggressive interrogation (said fork is the one that would become her muse).

    Background: Scumborn
    Faction: Criminal
    Motivations: +Forking, +Personal Development, +Hedonism
    Morph: Neotenic
    Base stats: COG 30 / COO 15 (20 with morph) / INT 15 (20 with morph) / REF 15 (20 with morph) / SAV 20 (25 with morph) / SOM 10 / WIL 20
    Moxie 1 / TT 8 / LUC 40 / IR 80 / WT 6 / DUR 30 / DR 45 / INIT 80 / SPD 1 / DB 3
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:18 No.5644116

    Active Skills: Fray (30), Hardware: Electronics (50), Infiltration (35), Infosec (60), Interfacing (60), Investigation (35), Kinesics (50), Networking: Criminal (60), Networking: Media (30), Networking: Autonomists (30), Perception (30), Persuasion (60), Programming (60), Protocol (40), Research (60), Scrounging (35), Spray Weapons (35)
    Passive Skills: Academics: Computer Science (60), Academics: Cryptography (60), Art: Electronic Music (55), Art: Petal crafting (60), Interest: Black Market (60), Interest: X-casting (60), Interest: Hacker Mesh Forums (60), Language: Native English (85), Language: Russian (50), Profession: Smuggling (60)
    Positive Traits: Right at Home (Neotenic biomorphs), Allies (Nine Lives), Fast Learner
    Negative Traits: Addiction (Petals), Mental Disorder (Megalomania), On the Run (Jovians)

    Still 40 free CP, though. I might just convert to credits and/or use it for more Moxie.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:19 No.5644127

    we discussed the possibilities in a previous thread
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:20 No.5644135

    Such people usually undergo a weird destructive upload that involves slicing open the brain, and then live the remainder of their lives as infomorphs in afterlife themed areas of simulspace.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:20 No.5644136
    SAV 30

    Academics (Funk): 90
    Art (Partying): 90
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:24 No.5644161
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:24 No.5644168
    Morph specific advantages and disadvantages should be in the aptitudes, not the skills.

    Because it's silly that a morph which is damaged and in need of repair thus suffering penalties to shooting kinetic weapons, can suddenly fire seeker weapons no problem, or can throw things no problem, or has no difficulty typing or manipulating fine objects.

    A change in aptitude fixes that, because it applies to everything related to that aptitude.

    So this deathclaw should have a penalty to coordination and intuition, and a bonus to reflex and somatics. But no skill-specific bonuses or penalties.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:27 No.5644194
    Wasn't there an image like this, but instead of the rainbows he was browsing 4chan?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:27 No.5644200
    Impossible. You can only get 90 points in a skill by taking the Expert trait, and you can only take that trait once.

    Ergo, only one skill can be as high as 90.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:30 No.5644229

    It depends on whether he's being statted as a PC or NPC.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:31 No.5644233
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    How good is this thing mechanically. I've wanted to run a crazy Blame!-style campaign for a while, but with, you know, talking.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:33 No.5644262
    Are you saying FUTURE MAN can only take the Expert trait once?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:38 No.5644300
    It's a less lethal Dark Heresy, really.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:39 No.5644311

    Less lethal in that you die less or less lethal in that now you can just relseeve when you die?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:39 No.5644315
    I heard the sniper rail gun was overpowered compared to the machine gun but just the ammunition capacity and auto-fire
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:40 No.5644320
    Does that include bonuses? Or is that just mean the skill itself?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:42 No.5644343

    Hmmm, I guess I'll give it a go.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:43 No.5644348

    Which is so insanely retarded that it's obviously there to make fun of the stupid flats.

    Because Destructive scanning only makes a copy of you - it just kills you in order to do it. The Ego Bridge does exactly what they want and doesn't disrupt continuity.
    Not only that, but in less than twenty years it'll be completely obsolete IRL.

    It's really pretty funny. I'm sure all of transhumanity jokes about it behind the their backs.
    I can see a lot of the 'sline Infomorphs (I can't believe that Anathem isn't on the sources list) realizing this and trying to stop it from continuing.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:45 No.5644367
    It uses a rather similar D% system - except when you're doing skill tests, rather than just roll under your stat, you have to roll under your stat plus the number of CP you spent on the stat.

    So, on a whole, you're far more likely to succeed at your roles.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:49 No.5644407
    I want to play the uplifted octopus with the trait "Addiction (Neotenics)".
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:50 No.5644417

    Make sure to have his native language be japanese.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)18:58 No.5644481
    I like it a lot. Very nice character.
    But why neotenic? Do you want her to be leered at by octomorphs?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:03 No.5644539
    Its odd, but the classic form of Islam- which was a relatively liberal, intellectual and reasonable faith- seems quite popular with Sci-fi authors. Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy has it playing a part in the terraforming and structure of the martian roads and cities, and I like the way Eclipse Phase deals with it as well.

    For those complaining about Christianity and Judaism falling behind, A basically logical reason for this occurring is that, at the time of Eclipse Phase, fundamentalist Islam has once again shifted back to its more liberal ancient basis, a time when the schools and mosques were places of science and learning. A faith with this basis would naturally adapt well to a transhuman future. Christianity and Judaism have, simply put, never been so supportive of, or central to, science.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:03 No.5644542
    Neotenics are small, so they're harder to hit.

    And they're nice and easy to carry around. Also small. Great when you need someone to climb into your chest cavity to fix a broken power converter.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:04 No.5644543
    Neotenics are the child-like morphs.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:05 No.5644551
    Islam changed and adapted a lot, looking at different local differences, a lot of old customs have been imported into their own lives. Unlike Christians who said 'fuck you, this is how you live.'

    Maybe it is possible for it to dig to it's roots and adapt once more to weed out the bad.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:10 No.5644586
    It's a hacker, not an engineer. Also, for smooth talking, I would suggest sylph or exalt.
    I know.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:12 No.5644607
    Are there any... y'know, backwater places? Say, a colony on one of the moons of venus. The people there are real hillbillies.

    They still... you know... give birth.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:16 No.5644645

    A mixture of liking the aesthetic, having her first resleeve done at a young age, using them for her underground X-casting, and simply having grown used to using neotenics.

    I thought about saddling her with the Identity Crisis trait, and I still might, but I'm not sure.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:20 No.5644673

    Yeah, there are bioconservative groups scattered throughout the solar system. Though, I'm not sure how common childbirth would be outside of bioconservative enclaves.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:22 No.5644693
    >It's a hacker, not an engineer. Also, for smooth talking, I would suggest sylph or exalt.

    Being able to fit into small places is still handy for hacking if you're on location and need to fit into small spaces (crawling through air ducts, hiding under/behind things,et cetera)
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:26 No.5644730
    There are some real rednecks on the Martian outskirts and don't forget the Jovians on the moons of Saturn.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:27 No.5644735
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:28 No.5644741

    Yeah, but the Martian rednecks aren't bioconservatives, and a lot of them are in synthetic sleeves.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:29 No.5644748
    As far as I've been able to tell, it's only less lethal in the sense that even if your character is killed, you still probably have a backup.

    Otherwise it's not particularly hard to kill a morph if you set your mind to it.

    For example, using this character: >>5644112 [We give him heavy body armor. For 13/13 armor with a WT of 6 and durability of 30.]

    Let's say somebody shoots him in burst fire mode [2 attacks, +1d10 damage] with a medium kinetic pistol using armor piercing bullets [-7 AP, 2d10 damage]. For a total of -7 AP and 3d10 damage x 2. If we use the average damage [18 damage], then the Neotenic is taking two 18 damage hits. [We're assuming both attacks hit.]

    The neotenic has 13 kinetic armor reduced by the AP to 6. So both attacks penetrate for 12 damage each. Since 12 is double his wound threshold, the neotenic takes two wounds from each attack, and must make a roll against falling over AND being knocked unconscious, TWICE. [Once for each attack, because both of them dealt 2 wounds.] The first roll is with a -20 modifier due to the first two wounds [-10 modifier on all actions per wound.]. The second roll is with a -40 modifier.

    In addition to this the wounds bleed out, and the neotenic takes 4 damage per action phase [80 damage per minute].

    The neotenic body has now taken 24 damage. His durability rating is 30. 6 more points of damage and he'd be unconscious without a save. His death rating is 45, so if he takes 45 damage, the body dies and his mind is saved into his cortical stack.

    tl;dr - It's hard to hit someone, but when you do they pretty much just die.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:29 No.5644757
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    >Say, a colony on one of the moons of venus
    >moons of venus
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:31 No.5644770
    An arrogant narcissistic hacker who thinks she is a little girl and utilizes copies of herself for sexual encounters.
    Freud would have a field-day with that.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:35 No.5644804
    This seems rather... unlikely, if anything you would just have another period of Christian Splintering (The Protestant Revolution mean anything to ya?) with dozen or perhaps hundreds of splinter faiths with varying levels of canonical adherence.

    Mormonism for instance is simply 'longing' for the Sci-Fi Transhuman Age in which we too shall become gods.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:37 No.5644819

    So your options are to either play a high fray neotenic who tries like hell to not get hit, or a armor heavy synthetic.

    That or get used resleeving.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:37 No.5644824
    Hey... that gives me an idea.

    I wonder if a moon could be used to increase Venus' rotation. It'd probably be a bit easier than building millions of giant fusion engines around the equator.

    Once Venus can rotate, that half solves its problem with heating up from being so close to the sun.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:38 No.5644830

    Freud would sum it up with two words: penis envy.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:38 No.5644836
    Or actually be smart and not get into open firefights.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:41 No.5644870

    Increasing Venus's rotation speed would help more with the high winds than the temperature.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:43 No.5644882
    Well, to be fair, the neotenic doesn't seem to have any sort of implants to make him more durable in combat.

    There's stuff that can increase your durability and armor beyond just 13/13 for biomorphs. You could, for instance, get heavy bioweave armor, and wear a combat exoskeleton with some armor upgrades for 26/22 armor. Also, the low wound threshold on the neotenic really doesn't help him out. If he'd had a wound threshold of 7, instead of 6 he'd have taken 2 wounds instead of 4.

    Personally, I think the system works fairly well.

    Although some things [Sniper rifles] are overpowered, and others [machine guns] are underpowered. But with a decent DM you can get those modified a bit.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:43 No.5644883

    That works well too.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:43 No.5644887

    P. 93, Mars:
    in the wild uplands, planetologists and terraforming
    engineers dwell in small villages, living the simple life
    in ruster morphs while seeing to the continued devel-
    opment of the Martian climate and atmosphere.
    As a partially terraformed planet with vast tracts of
    unused land, Mars is one of the few places that can
    offer new sleeves to infomorph refugees. Martian bro-
    kerage houses do a brisk business in the purchase and
    resale of infomorph contract labor, with agreements
    (for some) leading to eventual sleeving. This has led to
    a sizable Martian underclass, however, organized as a
    growing resistance movement under the Barsoomian
    banner (though the hyperelite socialites disparagingly
    call them “rednecks”).

    They're nothing like actual rednecks. That'd be the Jovians and Luddites.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:43 No.5644892
    whose to say they don't?
    its just that POLITICAL power tends to fall into the hands of the populist movement and would you look at that I bet we never would have gotten into this mess if we'd listened to papy reading the Quran
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:45 No.5644902

    I'm not sure neotenics should be durable in combat.

    I mean, they're children/young adolescents.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:47 No.5644919
    Well, part of the problem with terraforming venus is that one side is always facing the sun, and one side isn't. [Well, almost. It does still rotate, just not very much.]

    If you can rotate it fast enough, but not too fast, then it can bleed off excess heat through radiation on its dark side.

    Combine this with a high albedo surface [lots and lots of white daisies] and possibly a sizable solar shade of some kind, and you should be able to keep the surface from heating up too much.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:49 No.5644940

    So? They're not anything like contemporary children, are they?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:50 No.5644948

    Yeah, but Venus is very hot across the entire planet, not just the day side like with Mercury.

    If you increased the rotation speed, the day side would cool down, but the night side would heat up.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:50 No.5644950
    You say tomato I say AWESOME, really ya got to hand it to him it seems like the perfect comedy relief, a squad of upty redhead lolis all looking out for their "sesterselves" with guns and powerarmor
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:53 No.5644976

    The main difference is that they don't age and they have adult minds. They might be a little hardier, but only inasmuch as all biomorphs are.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:53 No.5644979
    Hit it with a few rocks at an angle to speed up rotation, I mean unless you have some kind of grav engine in which case "rotate dem planets!"
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:54 No.5644982
    i frankly doubt anything short of a full TITAN incursion could ever get Venus terraformed, meanwhile settle for aerostats and the odd surface trip(mooving a moon is serious business)
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:56 No.5645010
    you'd need indecent amounts of kinetic energy for that, I mean theres more to it than throwing rocks at the thing
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:57 No.5645019
    >Or, heck - get one clone, back-up its personality upon birth and replicate it a billion times. From there, they can all progress differently.

    Alastair Reynolds: House of Suns.
    Galactic human cultures rise and fall, the only constant is the Shatterling Lines. Less than ten, I think. Individuals who cloned themselves, 999 times, then spread their shattered selves through space. They meet every million years or so, to exchange experiences. They see civilisations rise and fall, and the knowledge they possess is worth so much they can basically turn up anywhere and say "I'm here to experience your culture for a decade". That and they own rather awesome technology, having sampled bits of everything. The Gentian line, for example, are able to build solar dams around stars to prevent supernovas by taking precursor ringworlds and piloting them into a shell.

    There are also transhumans in this setting, plenty of cultures that change their form but mostly originally human. There are transhuman individuals that became machines, one who is a nanoswarm in a desert planet's atmosphere, and taking the place of plantlife by providing oxygen, filtering the sun and so on.

    Oh, and there are a race of elephantlike transhumans who have a fusion bomb in their chests. If they feel suicidal they take most of a city with them.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:58 No.5645029
    The Titanians did it THREE times.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:58 No.5645032

    Well, even if you figure out a way to correct Venus's rotation (without knocking it out of orbit around the sun) by throwing rocks at it... you still have a small problem. The colonies currently on Venus would wind up being destroyed by the endeavor.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:58 No.5645038
    thin out the atmosphere, then riddle the surface with heatsinks is always a more viable venture than moving celestial bodies
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)19:59 No.5645045
    Wouldn't hitting it with rocks increase the amount of airborne dust particles, thereby decreasing the effect of the sun's rays and cooling the planet that way?

    What if we were throwing icebergs instead of rocks?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:02 No.5645085

    If you hit it with a big enough rock, you'll knock a large portion of the Venusian atmosphere into space
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:04 No.5645106

    And then they go back home for loli lesbian sex when the mission is over (with one slipping into an octomorph for the evening).
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:07 No.5645150
    I was thinking more along the lines of getting completely raped (figuratively...mostly ) by the remorseless hypercorp drones, and you would rage, and weep
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:07 No.5645160
    Why not adapt a few gas mining rigs to remove excess atmosphere? I'd say anything strong enough to resist Jupiter's pressures and extract enough gas to fuel itself and be commercially viable would do quite a number on Venus.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:08 No.5645173
    Any idea where the individual gates lead to?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:10 No.5645198
    I think they have a wide range of 'addresses' programed into them but hey can only access one at a time.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:11 No.5645199

    The Pandora Gates lead to different exoplanets. The book lists a few exoplanets and tells you which gate(s) they're accessed from. Though, the gates could potentially lead to other systems (the way it was described in one story made them sound like the stargates).
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:11 No.5645205
    that would work about as fast as global warming in reverse i.e. 2 degrees in 50 years and if you can do that why not terraform earth?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:12 No.5645210

    Because earth is also fucked from nuclear fallout and TITAN nanoswarms.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:13 No.5645222
    There isn't anything specifically in Jupiter, near as I remember reading.

    Sounds more like they fly giant He3 collector spaceships into the atmosphere, and then fly back out. Granted, if they're doing that on Jupiter, then it's entirely possible for Venus, considering the lower gravity.

    Biggest problem with anything close to Jupiter is the lolradiation that kills you in a couple hours.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:14 No.5645232
    >2 degrees in 50 years
    Good enough when lifespans can be measured in millenia.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:15 No.5645240
    I believe Earth still has that small issue where it's overrun by lethal bioplagues, TITAN warmachines, and sentient computer viruses.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:15 No.5645247
    only they crash and don't work both ways half the time, plus I got a feeling their much more limited as in you can get within a couple of light years of each system, it seems hyperspace travel never really got going for the aliens either
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:17 No.5645270
    Throwing Iceburgs (comets and ice heavy asteroids) is the worse thing you can do! They won't make it through the atmosphere to even impact, and water vapor is one of the best global warmers known to man.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:17 No.5645271
    exterminatus now, repopulate later!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:21 No.5645307
    Actually Islam was once pretty progressive, while Christianity was the main religion of a continent which had just had it's main ruling power taken out. As a result it was used time and time again as a tool to get the masses to work towards the interests of prominent figures. Mean while Europe starts getting on top while the Muslim world stalls. After rougly 1000 years of religious conflict and infighting, the Christian European nations decides they've had it, and switches to a secular model. Islam on the other hand has not experrienced the same kind of religious infighting as the Christianity, and have managed to stay more or less unified apart from the whole Shia/Sunni thing. Suddenly Islam become the underdog and doesn't understand why, and it is common human nature to blame someone else. So now you have a Middle East with a shitty looking future, a large group of young males with little to no possibility of proper self realization, which also lessens the chance of getting laid. Pussy being the main motivator for most of what men do, appearantly. These young men get frustrated and radicalism flourishes.

    As Cpl Person put it in Generation Kill: No pussy = War

    All in all: Islam has not had the same time to grow as Christianity, lets just hope that outside influence will prevent it from taking 1000 years of bloodshed.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:22 No.5645325

    An interesting note is that, to avoid the silly "I'm the REAL Abigail Gentian" the cloning process is automated and random - so that none of them know which one is the original.

    Of course, none of them identify as Abigail Gentian anymore anyway.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:23 No.5645331
    though no ones lived to a millenia, honestly thats how long it would take under the most optimistic forecasts, but why bother if you can just throw on a mesh and go sunbathing literally
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:23 No.5645336
    Sounds like a movie
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:24 No.5645340
    morph disregard- I suck cock
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:31 No.5645407
    Speaking as an American Christian its ironic, but this radicalism also helps Islam spread through young previously Christian men who feel that men have no place in the modernized, 'castrated' Church.

    Islam offers a better sense of masculine oriented worship to these disfranchised, this combined with extensive outreaching, public awareness, and recruitment makes it hard for the all too complacent and self righteous westernized churches to react or respond to this loss.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:34 No.5645436
    >plus I got a feeling their much more limited as in you can get within a couple of light years of each system

    Nah, they're gate-to-gate. I suppose it's possible you'll wind up coming out a gate you didn't mean to, though, I think the interesting thing about the pandora gates is that the Factors have issued dire sounding warnings about their use and refuse to deal with any hypercorps involved in gatecrashing.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:35 No.5645446
    Funny how they also manage to strengthen ant-Islam radicalism at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:36 No.5645456
    would rape still be rape? You've pretty much got yourself a private compartment in your head where you can spend the time...and I just imagined the most brutally horrifying scene ever involving muses singing lullabies
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:37 No.5645464

    Interesting, you always hear about the radical Islamists going after the disaffected youth, but I haven't heard about a movement from the more sedate religions to the radicalist side.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:39 No.5645488
    What does everyone thing of the psi sleights? haven't really looked but they seem interesting.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:43 No.5645539

    Well, yeah, it'd still be rape.

    Though, how much rape would actually be happening? If ( http://www.law.stanford.edu/display/images/dynamic/events_media/Kendall%20cover%20+%20paper.pdf ) is to be believed, then the easy access to pleasure pods and VR/XP porn would make rape rather rare.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:44 No.5645543
    Religion offers answers, an identity and a group to feel home with. Just the thing disaffected youth needs. In danger of drawing lines between the two, so do gangs. This is why programs to keep young people in ghettos out of gangs also helps against radicalism.It's all about giving them an identity and a place to belong, before radicalism does.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:44 No.5645550

    They look neat, though, I'm not entirely sure how useful they are, since they're short range and don't affect synthetics.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:45 No.5645562

    (though they are fairly easy to guess)

    Well the reason for that is that the Exsurgent Virus, which corrupted the relatively benign TITANS was a creation of an ETI (extraterrestrial intelligence) several billion years old. It seeded the milky way with self replicating probes that would attract any near singularity civilisation and then destroy/convert them.

    So the Factors (who managed to survive their Exsurgent crisis) are terrified that the Pandora Gates might lead to the ETI and make it take a slightly more proactive attitude towards Exterminatus.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:47 No.5645580
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    To reintroduce the no pussy = car bomb a motherfucker theory with just a dash of transhumanism, watch GitS Second Gig. Motherfucker designs an infectious meme/cyberbrain virus which will inspire victims to give their lives in acts of dramatic terrorism.
    The catch? Only /v/irgins are susceptible to the meme.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:47 No.5645584
    The same thing pretty much happens during modern incidents of rape. Yes, rape is still rape, though I imagine it would be a lot more difficult because you don't know who's hands can suddenly turn into a tazer.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:48 No.5645593
    Why can't I play a tabletop roleplaying game of transhuman conspiracy and wacky hijinx?.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:48 No.5645596

    Or maybe the Factors are full of shit and they're just interstellar merchants who view the pandora gates as a threat to their business.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:50 No.5645618
    >you don't know who's hands can suddenly turn into a tazer.

    That's only for sentinels/mercs

    Normal people don't have that kind of hardware.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:51 No.5645623

    Because you haven't found a group to play Eclipse Phase with.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:52 No.5645634
    A few of the rule bits in the book suggest giving bonuses for wacky hijinks (oddly enough).
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)20:59 No.5645705
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    This makes me want to roll a runaway betafork.

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:03 No.5645769
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    This is what the reaper Synth looks like.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:05 No.5645783
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    Roll an AIG named SHODAN. Try to exterminate the human race.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:07 No.5645793
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    Hmmm so just fishing for ideas here. I am making a more or less infiltration/assassin/espionage character. My first inclination is to go with the Ghost biomorph. But the main focus I plan to have the character is to be more or less a hides in plain sight. That meaning they look like they belong where they are.

    For instance trying to infiltrating a hypercorp. Watching the workers studying their uniforms their interactions and the like. Then through use of his smart clothes and maybe assuming one of their identities he would enter and get the job done. Whether that be hacking in and planting a virus or data theft or killing some one or what ever.

    Well one would the Ghost morph be the best for this? And do y'all even think this option is viable?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:10 No.5645837

    If you're trying to infiltrate a hypercorp, you should use whatever morph they're using.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:14 No.5645896
    In this case, you're best off playing a socio-hacker character - hack a target, download all useful information, terminate the cortical stack and replace it with your own. Bam, infiltration.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:25 No.5646018
    >terminate the cortical stack and replace it with your own.

    I think that's easier said that done since you have to incapacitate the target and find a place willing to do the resleeving for you.

    It'd be easier to hack your nanotattoo ID to display the same ID as the target.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:31 No.5646073
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    Johnny Five...IS ALIVE
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:36 No.5646121
    Not only is he alive, but he is one of the Titans that caused all this.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:41 No.5646166

    We've had it with tolerance. Fuck you, Johnny. This time? We Disassemble.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:43 No.5646189

    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:45 No.5646220

    Did she stick her tongue down your throat?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:47 No.5646253
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    I want a sylph-octomorph hybrid.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:48 No.5646265
    So you want /d/?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:49 No.5646271
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    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)21:56 No.5646353
    What's the point of taking more than one language when muses can provide real-time translation?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:06 No.5646461
    That's more or less what I was thinking.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:09 No.5646501
    One of the available implants you can purchase is a prehensile tail.
    There's nothing sayin you can only purchase one.
    Other interesting options might include Chameleon Skin, Endocrine Control, Enhanced Pheromones, Grip Pads, Gills, Poison Glands or Skin Pockets.
    For cosmetics, you might want to get Bodysculpting and Subdermal Implants. With this, you can get perfectly smooth, slimy skin. Perfect to imitate an slimy monster.

    (Oh, and Bodysculpting can also be used for enlarging sexual organs. Enjoy.)
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:11 No.5646527
    >Poison Glands

    It's worth noting that one of the available toxins in the game is Oxytocin, which can be used for seduction.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:13 No.5646554
    I knew I was forgetting something in my character creation!

    How much does a muse cost?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:14 No.5646564

    All characters start with a muse for free.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:15 No.5646576
    Mhm. Poison can be spread by injection, injury or consumption. You can share a drink, kiss or even put the poisonous organ in your victim's mouth to poison them.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:17 No.5646599

    Don't forget the Hither drug.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:17 No.5646608
    Sticky Grenades
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:20 No.5646639
    Oh, yes.
    You might want to get Drug Glands as well, then.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:21 No.5646646

    Grenades aren't the only thing that's sticky
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:22 No.5646653
    I just want to know? Can you have sex with a Tachikoma in this game? If it is true, then I am in!
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:23 No.5646662
    I suppose you could request a Arachnoid sleeve with that particular attachment, yes.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:23 No.5646667
    On the topic of seduction, which would be the better morph: a sylph or pleasure pod?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:24 No.5646684

    Where there is a will, there's a way.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:30 No.5646772
    Suggested Implants for Averna, with a base biomorph of a sylph:

    Drug Glands (Hither)
    Enhanced Pheromones
    Poison Gland (Flight - to induce fear)
    Poison Gland (Oxytocin - to induce false sense of security)
    Poison Gland (Twitch - to induce unconsciousness)
    Multiple Prehensile Tails

    Subdermal Implants
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:33 No.5646807
    Sylphs - pleasure pods evoke disgust in the minds of many due to the fact that they're pretty unethical in design and in usage. Meanwhile, sylphs are perfect, designed to be ever so attractive for media purposes, not sexual.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:35 No.5646830

    Either way, it's probably best to have a neotenic on standby for targets with peculiar tastes.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:38 No.5646853
    Neotenics are also viewed as pretty unlikable because well - you're an adult. Why would you want to be in a baby girl suit, you sick fuck?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:41 No.5646890

    The neotenic morph wouldn't be used for general purpose seduction, though. It'd stay on ice in a dollhouse until you get a target who is in to that sort of thing.

    >Why would you want to be in a baby girl suit,

    You can get a male neotenic body as well, ya know.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:42 No.5646907
    Resleeving takes a while, too. Your customer won't wait for you to spend a day resleeving. So, the body would have to be occupied, waiting for the right customer.

    Also, baby boy suit. Same difference. It would be viewed the same way.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:45 No.5646945

    I believe there is a way to get suction cups or something akin to them as well. To make the tails more like tentacles.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:46 No.5646952
    Grip Pad implants.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:47 No.5646957
    >Your customer won't wait for you to spend a day resleeving.

    I'm not sure what the issue is. If you're seducing a target, you'll spend at least a day researching the target and prepping for the encounter. Your target shouldn't know you're resleeving for them.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:49 No.5646982
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    Most colonies are still rooted in the cultures that formed them, right? you just know what goes on in the japanese habitats.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:50 No.5647001
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    How well can someone hack into a biomorph via their mesh implant?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:52 No.5647021
    If it's seducing a target and not obtaining a neotenic upon request, then okay then.

    Just remember, neotenics and hell, all biomorphs are pretty expensive. We're talking at least 20K.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:53 No.5647035
    Why bother with reality when virtual reality is just as good?

    Be anyone, anything. Fuck anyone, anything.

    And it's all virtual so there's virtually no risk.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:57 No.5647080
    You can either hack with physical connections or via the mesh.
    After successful hacking, memories can be removed, the ego can be contained with the cyberbrain, the victim's body can be jacked, scorching software can be used to severely harm the victim's state of mind, the body can be shut down and the connection between cyberbrain and cortical stack can be shut down.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:58 No.5647088

    Biomorphs are expensive, but rep at character creation is incredibly cheap. If you need an extra morph but don't have credits on hand you can just call in some favors.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)22:59 No.5647099
    I suppose if you've got hypercorp rep, that could work out, sure.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:00 No.5647110

    Yeah, if I were actually in the Eclipse Phase world, I think I'd stay an infomorph and play MMOs all day.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:01 No.5647125

    Really, you could use any of the reps for it, though how useful different reps may be would vary depending on the hab.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:02 No.5647133
    What is every one using for digital character sheets? I assume just work in a jumbled mass like myself?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:03 No.5647148
    Also, we're about to autosage.

    New thread or let it die?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:04 No.5647161
    Or @-rep. The Titanian Commonwealth is actually one of the largest (I think it might even be the largest) producers of morphs.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:06 No.5647186
    Damn I was hoping some one had something rigged up.

    As for a new thread. Eh. Either way really works.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:08 No.5647205
    can you be resleeved after being killed? How long do you "keep" for?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:10 No.5647222
    This is one of the basic concepts of the setting.

    Everyone is backed up. Usually once per month. If you die, your backed up conscience is uploaded on to a sleeve with all of the memories from before the point you were backed up. So you might still lose two weeks of vital experiences or something.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:12 No.5647238
    Naw, more often than once a month, I'd think.

    You suffer stress damage if your backup was older than a day.

    You suffer a lot of stress damage if it's older than a month.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:12 No.5647247
    Unless your cortical stack is recovered.

    i believes there's also one other way for your ego to be saved after death, something with nanobots, right?
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:12 No.5647251
    rolled 4 = 4

    Well, I've got the rules here in front of me, so let's see...

    We'll take this character: >>5643262
    Hacking into the brain of this character: >>5644112

    Step 1. Defeat the firewall. [Skill test]
    Step 2. Bypass active security. [Opposed Test]

    We'll assume the Neotenic scummer is running active security, and that the hacker is trying to gain admin privileges. [-30 modifier]

    The hacker has an infosec skill of 90, with the -30 modifier he needs to roll a 70 or less to successfully break through the firewall. Let's see how we do.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:13 No.5647267
    Most of the characters I see have a once-a-month back-up.

    Also, that's the point. Sure, you're immortal but immortality doesn't matter when death would be a release.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:15 No.5647285

    @-rep -- Good if you're in the outer system, though the type of morphs you'll have access to may be limited. Probably will only have access to standard citizen morphs, and they may be used, but, hey, it's a body.
    C-rep -- Good if you're in the inner system, Jupiter, and maybe even a few outer system habs. A wider range of morphs thanks to CAPITALISM!, but, once again, good chance that they'll be used.
    E-rep -- Porbably the worst rep for getting a hold of a body. But, they should at least be able to hook you up with a basic synth.
    F-rep -- Not bad, any body you get from them is gonna be pretty, and even if it winds up being second hand, it'll probably be in good condition (though, an addiction might be possible)
    G-rep -- Probably one of the better bets for obtaining a morph, after all, if they don't have the body you want on hand, they can just steal it for you. Though, depending on your rep level with them, you run a chance of getting a body with a few bruises and a bad history, but, on the flip side, those bodies will also come with blackmarket hardware already installed.
    i-rep -- Firewall is a massive conspiracy, they can figure something out. Though, if you're doing a Firewall job, they'll probably give you a morph without you needing to ask.
    r-rep -- Good for getting those fancy top of the line morphs. Likely to be new, but you might wind up getting the results of a failed experiment.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:16 No.5647295
    Well.. that's an MoS +60. Which basically means he broke in completely undetected with an admin level account. The hacker counts as Hidden.

    Now it's just a matter of breaking the neotenics brain...
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:17 No.5647306
    No, they have one-month insurance. That means they have their backups covered an unlimited amount for one month. Not that they get one backup per month.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:19 No.5647335
    The autonomists include the Titanium Commonwealth, and they're the largest morph producer in the setting. In addition, the autonomists tend not to have any restrictions against nanofabbers and such, which means anyone can basically make almost anything they want.

    I don't see the autonomists having any problems with getting morph bodies.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:20 No.5647344
    Funny thing.
    Your character can actually hack into someone's mind, severely edit their memory and also make them want to really go for a fuckin' back-up, thereby permanantly ruining a character, forever.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:23 No.5647372
    Ah, my mistake. It would appear that you can't hack biomorph brains. Only their mesh inserts. So while the hacker has admin access, he can't really do much beyond change reality as the the neotenic sees it. and/or mess with whatever equipment is slaved to the neotenic's mesh.

    I suppose that means the hacker could activate the neotenic's gun if it were smartlinked...
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:24 No.5647394

    Biomorphs aren't made with nanofabs and take at least a year to grow.

    Though, you're right about the nanofabbers allowing them to make any synthmorph so long as the hab has the raw materials and the proper blueprint.
    >> Anonymous 08/29/09(Sat)23:49 No.5647655

    make a new thread, but only for adventure ideas, character portraits, fluff, etc.

    we've had enough random chitchat
    >> Anonymous 08/30/09(Sun)00:40 No.5648260
    >> Anonymous 08/30/09(Sun)01:20 No.5648794
    That. That there sounds like a goddamn mission.

    Find Presidente` Fuego De La Cruz. Isolate him undetected. Insert this memory of his parents sodomizing him with a cob of corn. Make sure he gets a backup. Before he arrives at the corn festival.

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