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    214 KB Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:38 No.5759038  
    Yawgmoth never got his own card, did he?
    If he did, what would he have on it?

    pic related, it's the closest to a direct reference I can think of
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:40 No.5759062
    Yawmgoth would be a "God" card, which would function in the same way as a modern Planeswalker card. Possibly some special rule that, if he lost Loyalty, you lost life (He takes his price in blood), not sure on cost or abilities...
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:42 No.5759081
    A vast majority of the planeswalkers in the Magic universe haven't gotten a card until these actual Planeswalker cards.

    Besides, Yawgmoth is dead.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:43 No.5759093
    the effect of OP's card, in effect as long as Yawgmoth is in play.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:45 No.5759101

    >Yawgmoth is dead.
    like that means anything
    >A vast majority of the planeswalkers in the Magic universe haven't gotten a card until these actual Planeswalker cards.
    Call me when Urza has a card

    hate this new magic
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)08:47 No.5759114
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    Urza is dead, his spark is in Karn. Karn has a card.

    Pic related. It's Karn.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)09:07 No.5759304

    Think of it this way.

    Consider the potency of the original planeswalkers. They were so potent that they, by the vewry nature of their existed, surpassed the gods of most universes. That is as weak as they ever get. They have access to indefinite resources on tap. The only way to kill a classic Planeswalker was to be an even more potent Planeswalker. Nicol Bolas on the card now lost almost all of his powers when the Multiverse wnet funky and the old Planeswalkers got shitty. Right now he does not have the magical potency his excrement used to have, and he is ne of the most powerful creatures in the mtuliverse. He wasn't actually that strong a Planeswalker.

    Urza was fucking holy shit powerful. We're talking collapsing pocket universes into hypersingularities to power your war machines powerful, time-travel shenaningans powerful. By the time of Invasion he was so fucking powerful that he basically held together an alliance of five Planeswalkers who are notoriously incredibly unstable in each others' presence, mostly because none could best him alone and they were unwilling to ally to do it.

    It took the compelte consumption of his fucking PLANESWALKER'S SPARK, which by this stage is what the fucking Allspark wants to be when it grows up, channeled through the soul of the most legendary hero ever to exist and specifically created for this purpose, to fire one shot of Urza's masterwork, which is basically the best weapon ever created by one of the most brilliant artificers ever to exist who had access to pretty much unlimited resources, and they aren't even sure if that fucking shot killed him.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)09:09 No.5759309
    Yawgmoth wasn't even a Planeswalker, he was just that fucking powerful. That is, byt the very definition of a Planeswalker, supposed to be fucking impossible, but not only was he more powerful than a Planeswalker, but he was a fucking shitload more powerful than one fo the greatest Planeswalkers ever to exist.

    Any Yawgmoth card would have to cost eighty mana and the sacrificial offering of your severed right arm to play, and would have to AT THE MINIMUM make your opponent automatically lose every game of MTG they ever played for the rest of his life.

    Until they are willing to print that, you will have to settle for him merely having his name on some of the most insanely broken cards in the game.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)09:25 No.5759431

    OP here. You sir are a quality poster, a gentlemen, and a damn funny guy. /thread
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)09:56 No.5759711
    it's not the karn with the spark in him. he doesn't even have the legacy at that time.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:02 No.5759755
    Are you sure about that? 'cause I'm pretty sure that Yawgmoth was, in fact, a planeswalker...that's what they seemed to be hinting in the books I read (first 3 of the 4 artifact books, haven't gotten around to reading through the end of invasion yet...)
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:05 No.5759794

    While it's true that they're SHITPOWERFUL as you say, couldn't they still have planeswalker-style cards made after them? They'd be expensive as hell, start with low loyalty, not gain loyalty very fast and have average or maybe slightly good abilities for their first two, and then a ridiculously expensive (and ridiculously powerful) final ability?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:06 No.5759800
    Yawgmoth wanted more than anything to be a planeswalker. That's why Phyrexia invaded Dominaria in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:08 No.5759816
    I'd settle for a Phyrexian planeswalker card. A Herald of Yawgmoth or something.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:11 No.5759850
    He tried to be a planeswalker and failed. He's a lesser being than a planeswalker.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:14 No.5759878
    Urza, Planeswalker: 4WWW
    +1 put 2 0/1 artifact tokens named "ornithopter" into play
    -4 Search your library and graveyard for an artifact card, reveal it, and put it in your hand
    -20 You win the game.

    Starting loyalty: 2

    Additionally, he would come with the first ever "enchant planeswalker" card:
    Millenia-old grudge: 1WW
    Enchant Planeswalker (Urza)
    Whenever an opponent plays a black spell, put a loyalty counter on enchanted planeswalker.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:19 No.5759927
    Scroll down to the last entry of the last page.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:22 No.5759966
    Change the second one to be -2 - Search your library for an artifact and put it onto the battlefield

    Also, make the last one -8 and make him start at 3.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)10:26 No.5759999

    Not really. Their least powerful ability has to be YOU WIN THE GAME, and some of them should have nothing less than YOU WIN THE GAME TWICE.

    It's like trying to represent the Grand Master of the Exitus in a game of Dark Heresy. Either it's "he shoots everyone on the table in the head and kills them instantly at the same time unless you roll 00" or he's underpowered to the point of stupidity.

    They operate on a scale so far beyond the realms of the cardgame that they cannot be adequately represented. You, the player, used to represent a freshly-minted Planeswalker, because even though you are insanely powerful, Planeswalker magic relies on you having been to half the fucking multiverse to gain resources and you're pretty shit.


    Yawgmoth was not a Planeswalker. He was, in fact, a Thran, and a surgeon, who got kicked out for managing to commit chirurgegony acts so horrendous they were tempted to let him off purely because they couldn't believe what he did was possible. He fled to Phyrexia, and began a new and profitable career in creating the most horrific monstrositioes ever to exist, and generally made Phyrexia such a nightmare world that Urza, a new Planeswalker and thus only comaprable in power to a single world's god, was almost killed by spending THREE SECONDS just breathing the air, took ten years to recover at all, never fully healed, and had he spent two seconds longer he would have died.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)10:26 No.5760008
    He was inspired to become a Planeswalker when he burrowed to the core of Phyrexia and found the extinct spark of the Planeswalker who had birthed the place, discovering in the process more about the mechanics of Planeswalker magic than most of them ever found out. He decided he wanted that final, ultimate power. He knew he had not the spark of a Planeswalker, so he sought to obtain one, but figured that if he invaded Dominaria enough would coem to fight that he could take any he pleased, though he particularly desired Urza's. He could do this by bringing the Planeswalker to the uttermost edge of despair, where their soul extinguished itself to save itself further anguish, and the now-unresisting spark could be extracted and potentially placed within himself. He did not know if he could activate the spark, which tends to activate under the most horrendous of pressures, which is why one in a million who have them ever become a Planeswalker at all. He elected to find a stable plane, one of the extremely rare planes that will not eventually destabilise and cataclysmically cease to exist, and collapse it in on itself through magicks of multiverse-quaking potency with himself in the centre, reasoning that this is the most destructive force that can possibly exist, and that if that is not sufficient to awaken the spark then nothing will be. The most unsettling part of this plan is that he didn't seem to mind that it probably wouldn't work, as it was worth the risk.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)10:27 No.5760013
    He led the Phyrexians to believe that he was claiming a stable plane, as he was, because their plane was unstable and would collapse, as it would, but left them to draw the causual link. This was convincing enough that pretty much everyone bought it.

    Had Yawgmoth been successful, his magics, more powerful than any normal being's had ever been or could have possibly been, woul have been multiplied indefinetly by the active Spark. He would not just be the most powerful entity ever to exist, but be powerful enough to destroy the entirety of Dominia and start his own multiverse.

    This is based on little evidence and is a theory of possibility, not probability. I just like it because it's elegant.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:30 No.5760024
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    That would be Urza the apprentice
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:31 No.5760034

    Damn, I miss Hecatomb... are there any ways to play it still, like Magic Workstation, but for Hecatomb? I'd guess not, since it was a really small, obscure game, but I just thought I'd ask.


    You know your shit about MtG, and as a fellow fluff enthusiast, I salute you.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:34 No.5760053
    Sure, if they really decided they wanted to put much effort into helping you. That's why it's loyalty, and not life. I don't recall Urza being the most trusting, outgoing guy who was willing to help anyone any time over anything. Until you build up his trust and faith in you and your cause, what you get from him is 'thopters. He motherfucking loves to build thopters.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:36 No.5760060
    >He led the Phyrexians to believe

    Weren't most Phyrexians mindless automata, and those with sentience pretty much shackled to Yawgmoth's will?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:38 No.5760077
    I thought that it was just artificially created planes that would eventually destabilize and collapse, which was why he hadn't invaded some chump-change plane like serra's sanctum in the first place
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)10:39 No.5760079
    Then.. what is he? How is he more powerful yet lesser than one?

    And I'm not even clear on what exactly a Planeswalker is anyway.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:39 No.5760080
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    >Yawgmoth's will
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:42 No.5760105
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:42 No.5760106
    phyrexia is a artificial created plane but the spark that was left there in the core held it together for so long. So Urza was convinced that there had to be a spark
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:46 No.5760132
    It was hinted in the Onslaught books that Yawgmoth was alive, or at least a part of him was.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:50 No.5760150
    Should be blue.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:51 No.5760155
    Urza is colorless you faggots.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:52 No.5760160
    Maybe white/blue. Urza's definitely not all blue.
    According to Serra he's just white.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:52 No.5760162
    Elaborate, please?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:53 No.5760165
    If there was an Urza card, I would be able to Lightning Bolt him. And I don't know about you guys, but I don't really want to be able to Lightning Bolt Urza. I know damage doesn't actually kill a planeswalker, it just retreats, but still, it feels wierd.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:53 No.5760166
    You serious? Serra said he was white?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:57 No.5760190
    Yeah, it was when he and Xantcha were on her plane, she said something about how he was OK because the core of his essence was white, but she was black and so had to go. Something to that effect.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)10:58 No.5760198
    Cool. Good to know.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)11:03 No.5760232
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    Someone please elaborate on the whole planeswalker deal?

    In return...
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:03 No.5760234
    hurr durr
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:05 No.5760246
    Planewalkers are a new card type. www.wizards.com/magic will be happy to tell you about it.

    You know, actually, they've had planeswalker cards for what, two years now? They're not that new.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)11:07 No.5760259
    ..Not that. I know that. I surf /tg/. It comes up all the time.

    I meant fluff.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:07 No.5760260
    Basically a planeswalker is 'just' someone who is 1) able to channel mana, 2) able to cross to other planes, ie 'planeswalk'. The definition of a planeswalker is a but lucid and changes writer by writer, but in the Olden days (the Artifact Cycle), planeswalkers were FUKKEN AWESOME. They didn't need to eat or sleep, they could absorb a language so easily they just started talking it and didn't even notice the words they were using, they could just go into someone's mind and pick up whatever they wanted.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:08 No.5760265

    I think he means fluff-wise, what exactly were the old style planeswalkers?

    The only answer I know is god like entities of pure mana who could travel between planes with a thought, and were generally utterly badass.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:09 No.5760278
    Mana wielders are common, and I think one in a billion or so has the spark. Andit doesn't always activate. It takes considerable stress and the right kind of pressure to release a spark and some just die from it anyway. The rest might just pop out in the wrong place or the wrong plane and die there (say, inside an active volcano), or be killed by another planeswalker while they're still starting.

    I guess that's what MtG is all about -- you have a million planeswalkers just bumping into each other and fighting. Natural selection ftw.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)11:12 No.5760302
    Yeah.. I'm more interested in old style if they have been turned into "anyone that can use magic at all".

    And from the description, all I can think of is that THEY ARE REALITY ITSELF. THEY ARE THE FABRIC OF THE MULTIVERSE. THEY ARE EXISTENCE.

    Or something equally impressive sounding.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:17 No.5760325
    Not played Magic since the Urza block (which was pretty damn awesome).

    What's the dealy with these new Planeswalker cards and thier "loyalty" abilities? How do those work? Like an upkeep?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:18 No.5760332
    Nah, mana wielders are a dime a dozen. Of course there are more powerful ones, like Teferi, but they really do pale compared to planeswalkers. Basically if a planeswalker is losing he can just hop out and come back better prepared and the regular mage can do shit all about it "where'd he go?"

    Not to mention the planeswalker can just pick him up and planeswalk WITH him, and either let the journey kill him (traversing the Void isn't fun unless you're made of living energy) or drop him off somewhere he'll die horribly anyway.

    Killing planeswalkers isn't easy, either. Urza had his insides constantlyripped out (he then regrew them) for a few days straight and was just out of it. The only way he was nearly killed was when what's-his-name Phyrexian ripped out his eyes that were frikken powerful artifacts.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:20 No.5760348
    Well, for as long as I've been playing a planeswalker is what you, the player are. Now, to be honest, by comparison to urza you're a pretty shitty planeswalker, but basically a planeswalker is to a "mana-user" what your entire red burn deck is to a prodigal pyromancer.

    I vividly remember at several points in his career Urza went toe-to-toe with literally several thousand phyrexians at a time. He "lost" both fights, but survived (unlike a lot of those phyrexians). At one point he was getting shot in the chest with ballista bolts and just ripping them out and re-shaping his flesh together.

    That was one of the things about Urza, his body wasn't really "real". It was less effort for him to restructure his body on a molecular level so that he was facing a new direction than it was to actually turn around.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)11:21 No.5760357
    Thats right.

    Didn't Uriza kinda cheat to become a planeswalker? Which is also why he was such a friggen powerful one?

    Well.. not so much cheat as on accident.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:21 No.5760358
    Planeswalkers are a type of legendary permanent. Basically every planeswalker 'ally' you summon has three abilities, for example Jace Beleren:

    +2 - all players draw a card
    -1 - Target player draws a card
    -10 - Target player puts the top 20 cards of his library into his or her graveyard
    Starting Loyalty 3

    So basically you do stuff he likes to get him to like you more and blow up awesomely in your opponent's face or do something that just benefits you and let him dislike you enough so he fucks off (loyalty 0).
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:21 No.5760362

    Teferi did become a planeswalker though.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:24 No.5760376
    Not really, he just used the Sylex intuitively and that awakened his spark. Luckily or unluckily the stone of power became his eyes which powered him up quite a lot.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)11:24 No.5760377
    Is that unusual for a planeswalker? Other posts stuff like MADE ENTIRELY OF ENERGY is common for a walker.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:24 No.5760378
    lol, of course he did... I guess I should read more MtG fluff than the first 3 artifact books.

    Is there a chronology somewhere?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:25 No.5760383
    I thought that was pretty much the definition of a 'walker. They wear bodies out of convenience and old habits.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:27 No.5760389
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    there's an Urza card, pic related is him in disguise.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:27 No.5760395
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:30 No.5760413

    Most were mindless, and not one of them was fucking moronic enough to try and go against him, but they would fight better if they believed it was for their own survival as opposed to their certain annihilation. "Fear will make them fight, but passion will make them win" and all that.


    Artificial planes collapse extremely fast. The reason Phyrexia was so durable is that the original creator, a Planeswalker, created the plane as he was dyign around himself in such a way that his spark would be transferred to the plane itself, making it stable until his spark finally waned and died. This seemingly simple information was, to someone as intelligent and analytical as Yawgmoth, practically a blueprint for how to render himself a planeswalker.

    Most natural planes will die, just slower. Planes are constantly eexploding into existence and fading away, wither it be in one day or seventeen thousand billion years. Only some extremely rare planes are truly stable and hence indefinite, and they all occur at precise points required to maintain the stability of Dominia. This knowledge is used by many as evidence of intent behind Dominia's design. That is why had Dominaria collapsed under the weight of the temporal anomalies in Time Spiral, Dominia would have gone with it, eventually. That was also part of Yawgmoth's gamble. He intended to create a new Multiverse so the death of the old one did not bother him overmuch, but he appreciated the risk that the must learn how to both survive before the old Multiverse fully collapsed, and how to create original energy to create the new one, although the latter was merely a matter of indefinite time. The irony that this could be exactly how Dominia came into being is unmissable.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:32 No.5760424

    Exactly what Yawgmoth was is completely unknown. He far and away transcended mere deity status, would have been at least as powerful as the incarnation of a stable plane (had they been proven to exist), and was stronger than all known Planeswalkers. Some believe he managed to render himself the incarnation of his plane, boosted by the existence of a Planeswalker's spark at its core, though this still does not accoutn for his full powers. Others suggest that he had conquered multipel universes and overlaid them with Phyrexia as he did to Rath and Dominaria, except with utter finality, and usurped the powers of multiple incarnate planes, thoug this is still insufficient as no number of unstable or artificial planes should have been the equal of Dominaria or Urza. Exactly how he got so powerful was the major concern of the surviving Planeswalkers after his destruction, who believed that if this happened once it could happen again. It is the biggest remaining mystery of the Multiverse.

    I have a simpler view. There was no grand plan or reason, he simply did the impossible. It was, in fact, his hallmark to do exactly that, as he proved again and again. Just as one in a million have the Planeswalker's spark, and one in a million of those will be ignited, one in a million have the dreamer's ability to simply not accept the impossible as impossible, one in a million of those have the vision to see that dream made reality, and one in a million, again, have the utter determination to see that vision through to the end. They are, I would like to believe, a naturally-occuring phenomenon of the Multiverse, a mathematically-certain Reset Switch, intended to kick in eventually before flaws in the Multiverse grow too numerous for it to maintain itself.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:36 No.5760453
    This I like again because it implies that every Multiverse must be created for it to work that elegantly. There was no original Multiverse, they simply exist in an endlessly-expanding loop of metatime.

    Plus, it would make for a fantastic endgame to this lot of MTG. The Multiverse starts growing cracks, cracks that cannot possibly be repaired. The heroes try all they can to stop its erosion over a billion years, but eventually realise that they can do nothing to halt it. In desperation, they turn to the one man who never let the fact that they were impossible stoip him from achieving his dreams. Naturally, much conflict will arise as pundits wonder whether the end of all existence may not be preferable to several eternities living in a Multiverse made by Yawgmoth.


    The new Planeswalkers are just mana users who have the Sparj, meaning now that they can travel between Planes. This makes them basically mages with more experience. The old Planeswalkers could instead access anything from any plane they had ever been too, and were functionally immortal, meaning they basically had indenfinite power at their grasp.

    A mage is like a Russian attack helicopter. A new Planeswalker is like an attack helicopter built of the best possible components that currently exist around the world or were previously made. An old Planeswalker is every military vehicle ever to have existed in the history and future of the planet Earth simultaneously.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:41 No.5760507

    Planeswalkers never actually reached the point of infinite power, but as they would not die unless killed by other Planeswalkers, a supremely difficult task unless they want to be killed, they gain power indefinetly. This is why they had such power. All they had to do was pop in and out of a plane for a second to gain access to all the magics that existed there.

    After a few thousand years, they become so potent that to them there is no measurable difference in energy expenditure between making a witty retort spell itself in mid-air out of metallic atmosphere for insulting them or going back in time to erase your entire genetic history for the same.

    This is actually why I believe that the degradation of Planeswalkers was the Multiverse's reaction to Yawgmoth's defeat. It happened instantly after, on a metageographical timescale, and it more or less eliminated as a danger the only entities who had posed a threat to a Yawgmoth entity.

    Fuck, I only came up with that theory before as I wrote it, but it's just getting more and more elegant.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:47 No.5760574

    You know Wizards of the Coast recently patented the names:

    "Mirrodin Pure", "Scars of Mirrodin" and, the one that will probably interest you the most, "New Phyrexia".

    By recently I mean like two weeks ago so you might have heard that by now.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:48 No.5760581
    You're absolutely right, except replace "Yawgmoth" with "Wizards of the Coast realizing they couldn't print planeswalkers without changing them."
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:48 No.5760589
    Also, to cap it off, the only way to feasibly represent Urza as a Planeswalker would be:

    Urza (No CC)

    (No Planeswalker abilities)

    If a spell or ability controlled by a player is placed on the stack that would counter Urza, if any spell or ability is on the stack that Urza would be subject to, or if Urza is attacked directly by any player or is assigned to intercept by a player, remove that player from the game.

    Loyalty (not expressed)

    He can't be forcibily summoned so he'll only show up if you do something novel enough to interest him. You're not important enough to draw his attention in any way, and nothing either of you can do will actually cause him to change in any way. However, if you even so much as consider doing something to him, you're GOOOOONE.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:50 No.5760606
    FFFFFFFUCK YES. You'd better not be lying. I might even be happy to see mirrodin this time around, if it's secretly phyrexia.

    Don't be an ass.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:50 No.5760607
    Fuck yes, back to Mirrodin! How I loved that block...
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:53 No.5760636

    I am completely in favour of lore alterations that are intended to improve game functionality whenever they are carried out with a net gain to the lore.


    I stopped paying attention to MTG after Time Spiral was finished, because I considered it to be the perfect set until such a time as more Dominaria came into being. I didn't care for the blocks that had no story connection and were standalones. This is all about to change, and radically.

    It would be fucking hilarious if, right now, one of the story guys at Wizards were reading this page with the story bible open to the end, going "how the hell..?"
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)11:57 No.5760670
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    I can do better than that.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:57 No.5760673

    It was connected. Phyrexia is so fucking fucked that one infinitesimal spat of Phyrexian war machine oil coming into physical contact with Memnarch turned him from perfect robot into batshit fucking insane monster.

    Has this been archived? It's far and away the best MTG plot discussion for the last five months at least.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)11:58 No.5760681



    Nice try, Yawgmoth.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:00 No.5760696

    >I didn't care for the blocks that had no story connection and were standalones.

    Flavorwise, most of the "standalone" blocks have had a connection to Dominaria and the old crew thus far. Mirrodin was Karn's plane, for example. Alara was where Nicol Bolas went and tried to scheme back his powers. Lorwyn was when the new planeswalkers started getting stories. Ravnica is the only one I can think of that was pretty much standalone, cause even Kamigawa gets some face time now and again storywise. Leshrac was barred from it in Time Spiral when tried to get in, for example.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)12:01 No.5760706

    I don't count tokenistic relations. I still didn't like Mirrodin, in case you got a different impression.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)12:01 No.5760709
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    >Dr. Baron von Evilsatan
    >Completely awesome fluff

    I.. I am.. in awe of you..
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:02 No.5760713
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    I never realized the backstory of MtG was so ridiculous.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:02 No.5760717
    Did he get hit with phyrexian oil, then? My knowledge of the mirrodin storyline is pretty sketchy.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:04 No.5760738

    Did you play back in weatherlight and on when you had the story being silly crammed down your throat and you're like "what the fucking fuck" constantly?

    But the fluff-people enjoy it and it doesn't affect the game so there's no harm as far as I can see.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:06 No.5760763
    If there was a card capable of summoning Yawgmoth it would be something like this:

    Yawgmoth 6BBBB
    All players lose the game.

    Because even if you manage to summon him, you wouldn't be able to control him.

    on the other hand:
    Urza 6UUWW
    You lose the game.

    He's not evil so he would just punish the person summoning him.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)12:06 No.5760764

    I believe when he was first transported there by Karn, a microscopic droplet of oil that had been lurking on Karn since he had once punched a bottom-rank Phyrexian in the face several hundred years ago took its chance to fall off into Memnarch's throne room. Some millenia later he saw it and wiped it with his finger to determine what this unfamiliar substance's properties were. This resulted in the entire plane implodign until Karn, by now a supremely gifted Planeswalker, came back to fix shit up because it was completely beyond repair.

    This should give you some idea of just how fucking dangerous Phyrexia was.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:08 No.5760774

    yes, I remember that clearly when reading the first mirrodin novel.
    It was even stated that Memnarch once had a human-like form, to be only transformed into a mechanical spider when he touched that oil.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:08 No.5760780

    you back to your yo gay ho cards, kid.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)12:09 No.5760789

    Weatherlight was fine once they fixed it in Tempest and beyond.

    In fact Tempest was when the MTG story went from token to fucking awesome.

    I can trace back my falling out of the mobby of MTG from the very day I opened a box of Mercadian Masques only to discover that they had elected not to include the little story-and-deck booklet from then on.

    Those little things were the best fucking things ever to exist. I still have every one I ever got.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:09 No.5760790
    I know how dangerous phyrexia is. I fucking love phyrexia. I'm just praying that all these one-off planes we're going through are just a sort of "filler" until they feel ready to do another Mirage->Invasion epic arc. Preferably involving New Phyrexia.

    Actually, it's kind of a shame Alara re-converged. Given enough time, I'm pretty sure esper would have wound up looking a LOT more like phyrexia.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:12 No.5760815
    I wonder if there's anywhere with a pdf of these MtG novels.

    Where's a good place to get books?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:13 No.5760819
    Everyone i talk to who knows anything about magic loves the gerrard and friends story and is ticked off they havn't done anything tasty lore wise in ages.

    The entirety of alara's story can be summed up in like a paragraph, i hate it
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:13 No.5760820
    I can't wait till they make a new planeswalker that isn't an old planeswalker with a new name and wardrobe.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:15 No.5760836
    The novels up through Onslaught are pretty easy to find online.

    Anything after that is FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE to find online. It's incredibly frustrating.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:15 No.5760843
    While I do adore Dominaria and the main storyline, I think the other planes have their own merit, and I enjoy their storylines. Even if it was a mediocre set, I loved the Kamigawa fluff, although I'm not sure how it will interact with the rest of the multiverse. However, the twin-princess spirits are shown to be pretty powerful, as they basically kicked Leshrac away from Kamigawa before he even landed, so perhaps some smart fucker is going to try and use Kamigawa as a powerbase- there's a lot of powerful mana available there after all, and Nights Reach has been seen around the multiverse, although if I recall correctly, she was finally killed by Nicol Bolas? Or did she survive, but weakened? I scarcely remember...
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:16 No.5760854
    Gerrard and friends are mortals who went out to kill a god that's why it is so awesome.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:19 No.5760883
    Yawgmoth bbbbbbb

    Planeswalker - Yawgmoth

    +1 - All players lose 2 life.
    -1 - Destroy target Planeswalker.
    -15 - Remove all nonblack, nonartifact creatures from the game.

    loyalty 10.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:21 No.5760896
    Try again in English.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)12:21 No.5760899

    That's smalltime. That's barely even Yawgmoth's Self-Willed Nineteenth Dorsal Spine
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:22 No.5760907

    Yeah well those guys can suck it, because the next block after Zendikar goes back to Mirrodin and apparently ends with a set named New Phyrexia.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:23 No.5760913
    I don't mind the idea of non-dominaria planes either. I loved Ravnica, and Lorwyn/Shadowmoor have really grown on me, too. Alara I loved at first but liked less and less the more it converged.

    My complaint with everything since Onslaught is that Magic has apparently become some sort of planar tourbus, where we have just enough time to land on a plane, take a quick look around, and then, BOOM! back on the bus. No time for any story like that epic one with gerard and co. If they wanted to spend six blocks on a story I wouldn't care that it wasn't in Dominaria, as long as it was still fun.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:23 No.5760914
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    >The entirety of alara's story can be summed up in like a paragraph, i hate it

    at least it's not Lorwyn.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:26 No.5760943
    So long as modular has completely fucked off.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:28 No.5760956
    Yawagoth and Urza are both dead. Don't expect a card for either of them unless another bullshit Time Spiral happened.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:29 No.5760964
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    So, do we all agree that Odyssey/Onslaught was the goofy, Silver Age of Magic?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:32 No.5760984
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    Legions ruined slivers forever. So...no.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:32 No.5760985
    Links to books pls
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:32 No.5760986
    oddessy onslaught was my favorite era, granted i still dont understand the fluff about morph
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:33 No.5760991
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    yawgmoth doesn't need his own card... not when he has THE DREADNOUGHT to do his bidding
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:34 No.5760998

    yawgmoth isn't dead, he is just extremely weakened.

    Like Lord voldemort after he failed to kill Harry Potter.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:34 No.5760999
    lrn 2 google. The ones up through onslaught are easy to find.

    If you mean the ones after that, I can't help you. I've looked, and looked, and looked. I even asked here a couple times. They're simply not OUT THERE.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:34 No.5761005
    Even better now that stifle works on that shit. Nothing like a 12/12 trample for 2 cards and 2 mana
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:36 No.5761014
    He got obliterated, along with Phyrexia, thanks to the Legacy Weapon with the Weakstone and Mightstone. Gtfo.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:38 No.5761029

    yeah, of course it's only legacy legal. =(
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:38 No.5761030
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:40 No.5761039

    Fuck you Urza, you're just mad yawgmoth made gerard decapitate you. GTFO, PHYREXIA WILL RISE AGAIN
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:41 No.5761054
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    >> ONInonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:45 No.5761071

    As written in the Thran novel, Yawgmoth started out as a doctor practicing a novel concept called "Surgury" that didn't involve magic but the study of microbiological lifeforms called "Bacteria". This of course at the time was seen as heresy, and of course the methods he used to pursue this study weren't exactly moral.

    After a planeswalker showed up and informed Glacian, the Genius of Halcyon, that he had a Planeswalker's Spark, she also took Yawgmoth to Phyrexia. Later on Yawgmoth took this female Planeswalker hostage and attempted to take her Spark by dissecting the living shit out of her.

    After claiming Phyrexia and pretty much turning all of Halcyon to his cause, Yawgmoth went on to take most if not all of Glacian's inventions and turned them against the rest of the world at that time...successfully pwning them.

    Yawgmoth ended up getting sealed within Phyrexia with his followers, Halcyon was wiped from the face of the multiverse, and then came The Brother's War between Urza and Mithra.

    SUMMARY: Yawgmoth was and always will be a usurper. Any power he possessed was never his to begin with, it was taken from someone else. He's a thief, pure and simple; a hyperpowered, megalomaniacal thief.

    With really neat minions.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:47 No.5761084

    dude, read the book 'The Thran' it explains that Yawgmoth was just a regular dude who loved science and was incredibly intelligent
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:49 No.5761104

    fuck you ima not a faggot

    ura faggot




    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:50 No.5761108
    He apparently had enough power to take a pre-timespiral planeswalker hostage, so that'd make him infinitely more powerful than anyone running around these days.
    >> ONInonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:52 No.5761122

    He snuck up behind her and stuck a knife in her brain, pithing her. You can't really do shit as a Planeswalker when you're brain's being scrambled to hell!
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:54 No.5761147
    Except that as a being of energy she should have had no problem simply re-forming twenty feet to the left. A knife to the brain? Pathetic. Urza took a ballista to the heart and didn't even flinch.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)12:55 No.5761159
    What be the time spiral anyway?
    >> ONInonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:58 No.5761192
    That was his HEART, you dumbass. We're talking about the BRAIN here. If a Planeswalker can't utilize their BRAIN, they can't FOCUS. If they can't FOCUS, how in the fuck are they supposed to use their powers?

    They CAN'T. Hence, Yawgmoth was able to have an advantage over a Planeswalker AS A MERE HUMAN because he 1)suprised the fuck out of her and 2)made it so that she couldn't do fuckall about it
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)12:59 No.5761198

    Someones forgetting the 'easier to reform your body on the molecular level to turn, then turning' clause.

    Its a planeswalker, their bodies are just side-effects.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:01 No.5761210
    It was the set in which All the apocalypses in Dominara finally had an effect and time itself broke down, and the world very nearly ended forever.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:06 No.5761263
    I always thought he was False Prophet too
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:07 No.5761276

    Yeah, all that because academy deck was so darn op.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:09 No.5761300

    LOL WUT?


    You can only have the world almost end so many times before time itself gets pissed off.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:14 No.5761367

    He stabbed a powerstone dagger into her blade, significantly different from a mundane artifact. Powerstones in Urza's eyes made him super powerful, imagine one being rammed into your brain. Dyfed was mindfucked in a most literal sense, and then proceeded to be operated on by the universe's most talented and powerful surgeon ever to have existed.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:15 No.5761377

    her brain*
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:17 No.5761388
    Oh, well, that's different. Should have said it was a powerstone in the first place. Nevermind.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:18 No.5761400
    In Vintage tournaments, Yagwmoth's Will IS a fucking god card ironically. Seriously. When this card is played, shit's usually over.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:21 No.5761429
    That is in no way ironic.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:27 No.5761496
    you're not me >:(
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:41 No.5761622
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    Yes, contemplating non-existence is SOOOOOOOOOO hard. OMG, I'm totally going to write a LiveJournal entry on how deep 'n' stuff I am because I dared to think about utter nothingness one time, and... like... almost shut down my brain! LOL!


    Are you fucking kidding me?

    What are you, some teenager who still thinks that all their experiences are totally novel and have never been experienced by any of the billions of sentient beings that live or have lived over several thousand years on this Earth within different cultures and ages of our history?

    Just when you think you're no longer going to be surprised by stupidity, something comes along.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:45 No.5761648
    >Simpsons image macro
    oh okay
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:46 No.5761655

    Agreed, Yawgmoth is the worst villian ever. The only good thing about him is the Phyrexian designs.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:54 No.5761735
    Didn't read all of this thread, but don't forget: a planeswalker card represents how a planeswalker is helping you, not the planeswalker full might.

    Urza or yawgmoth could very easily have cards where they would only 'help' you a little.

    It's all about loyality.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:55 No.5761750
    You shut your whore mouth.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)13:57 No.5761774
    Haha... ouch.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:03 No.5761838
    Nice fluff. I'm not much of a MTG player, only played a little when I was a kid (Green of course. I thought my Thorn Elemental was the most badass thing ever).

    Never knew the fluff behind the cards was this well thought out though. It was worth the time spent reading it.

    If you don't mind me asking though, what's the story behind slivers? I used to have a deck of those too and I loved how each sliver would boost another one.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:04 No.5761846

    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:05 No.5761857
    Old Planeswalkers are holyshitfuckbadgerdicks powerful. The youngest of them are gods, and it goes up from there.
    Yawgmoth was stronger than the strongest Planeswaker. He was not, himself, a planeswalker, but he wished to become one.
    If he did, the multiverse would have been ROYALLY FUCKED.

    New planeswalkers are still holyshit powerful, but all of them combined are not the equal of one of Urza's contemporaries.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:15 No.5761953
    Slivers were never really explained in the novels.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:15 No.5761959

    Now to take this thread into a new direction.

    How does Yagwmoth look like?
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)14:18 No.5761976
    Frighteningly.. probably just a human. Completely unsurprising looking? One of those guys that just sorts of blends in with the crowd.

    At least the young Yog. He started off as just a scientist, right? No clue what he'd look like after crossing into Lovecraft territory.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:20 No.5761989
    If you read the books you would know.

    Young yawgmoth (The thran) = average looking, reasonably handsome man. At first dressed like a beggar but got some style later on.
    Yawgmoth before the Brother's war and the entire mess with Urza = mostly machine, spent all his time living in the 9th core of Phyrexia so little is known. Imagine a cross between the God-emperor of Manking (Post-Heresy) (Warhammer 40k) and Count Olaf from a Series of Unfortunate Events.
    Yawgmoth at peak power (After the defeat of Gerhard and the decapitation of Urza) - a massive miasma of death and decay that floods across the land, killing everything it touches.
    Yawgmoth after destruction of Phyrexia: No information
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:21 No.5762011

    slivers, like the Phrexian Dreadnought, are one of Yagmoth's brilliant "brainchilds"
    >> mercury01 09/07/09(Mon)14:22 No.5762017
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    That's him in the back there.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:23 No.5762028

    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)14:23 No.5762032
    The evil lightning face.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:24 No.5762037
    Cop-out answer: Gazing upon him causes insanity
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:39 No.5762160
    Man, I really need to get into MtG books, but bookchan only has a dozen titles or so, not including "the Thran"

    Does anyone have any good list of chronology ? Or even a list of books ? Wikipedia is no help.
    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)14:40 No.5762176
    >>I don't know how to use Wikipedia correctly.
    I gor your back, buddy.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:41 No.5762185
    Not the first guy, but yes, many others have discussed what you have thought about with better results. And you came across a bit pretentious/teenage in your posts. And this is a MtG thread not a thread about your soul searching thoughts. No one cares all that much. That said, I wouldn't have said anything had you not repeatedly asked someone to, as I didn't find it all that annoying. Now go to bed.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:44 No.5762204
    Yawgmoth started off as the ultimate magnificent bastard. Using nothing but his cunning mind and balls of steel, he single-handedly assumed complete control over the Thran. He also fucking survived Urza's attack, as demonstrated by Karona in the Onslaught cycle. If they're bringing him back, I expect it will be epic.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:46 No.5762221
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    I don't have anything to add to the discussion, but Yawgmoth is awesome so I'm going to post cards related to him.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:49 No.5762242
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    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)14:52 No.5762266
    Shitty story removed then to unclutter the thread.

    It was just supposed to be a musing on Yawgmoth with my own stupid episode as a side comment. I wasn't trying to sound important or anything. Just a random drop.

    I need to sharpen my horror skills more I guess.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:55 No.5762287
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    Yawgmoth's Demon
    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)14:57 No.5762300
    In case anyone is wondering, Yawgmoth's symbol is a circle with a vertical line through it. That's why they're highlighted in that picture.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)14:59 No.5762308
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    I love the flavor text for Phyrexian cards.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:00 No.5762321
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    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:05 No.5762356
    that's just up to Lorwyn. What about Shadowmoor/Eventide and Alara ?
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)15:06 No.5762361
    ..I had this card.

    T'was goot.
    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)15:08 No.5762376
    You honestly didn't read that whole page, did ya, sport?

    Shadowmoor/Eventide are right beneath Lorwyn/Morningtide and starting with Alara, they're just doing one book per block.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:11 No.5762394
    meh, it still doesn't change that they're hard to get ;)
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)15:11 No.5762395
    Crap, I still have a whole bunch of cards from that period in my room. Black guards to be specific.

    I dropped out of the hobby after that though. Too expensive to keep up with, but it was fun while it lasted.

    Not that I was any good at the game. I tried to get back in a few years ago. Holy hell. I sucked bad even with lots of help.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:16 No.5762437
    Yawgmoth's demon IS Yawgmoth
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    Yawgmoth is the black miasma above the two plainswalkers there.
    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)15:19 No.5762470
    >>the two plainswalkers there

    1/10. You got me for a second.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:20 No.5762482
    that has to be the first time that joke has been made!
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:27 No.5762541
    Seriously! Everywhere I go, it's just Artifacts, Invasion, Masquerade, Odyssey and the 1st book of Onslaught. No Legends or anything after Onslaught *sigh*

    shit sux
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:27 No.5762542
    >Yawgmoth after destruction of Phyrexia: No information
    He's stuck as an embodiment of black energy. I'm fuzzy as it's been a while but Karona decided to understand what she was by talking to embodiments of the colors of magic before she went fuck it and decided the world needed to be united under her or not exist at all. She shat bricks after finding out the black aspect was Yawgmoth if I am correct in my remebering.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:31 No.5762573
    She didn't even know who Yawgmoth was and she STILL shat bricks. Yawgmoth: So crazy he can make magic itself freak out.
    >> Faggot !!etmAO7v6kbr 09/07/09(Mon)15:33 No.5762596
    The half-price books near my house has all of them up to the three Ravnica ones. I snatched the Mirrodin block ones, and there's a really cool chapter about climbing a Darksteel Colossus. Go check some used book stores.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:34 No.5762604
    Everybody, go to the 4chan archive and request that this be archived. It's an awesome thread.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)15:34 No.5762606
    ...Talking to the colors of magic?

    And black when YO I'M YAWGMOTH? What was black before him?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:35 No.5762616
    Karona and Yawg
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:36 No.5762626
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)15:36 No.5762627



    Billy, OT and blessed by the scarred one was here
    Karona and Yawgiepoo sucks
    Phyrexia designs are awesome though.
    >> Ihsan_Shade 09/07/09(Mon)15:38 No.5762642
    Anyone know offhand the fluff from Onslaught block where tthe newly formed goddess summons patron representatives of the 5 colors of magic?

    I know Teferi was for blue, but afterwards knew nothing of the event, and Yawgmoth, battered and bruised, but far from dead, was for black.

    The whole thing was supposed to shed some shadow on if Yawgmoth was really dead or not. I'd really perfer him not to be dead, because I do enjoy the more 'eternal' antagonists he and Nicol Bolas provide.

    Also, to those who are stating the 'stand alone' planes were completely cut off from the main storyline... not exactly true. They did tie Ravnica and Kamigawa into the main storyline. Major events in both planes (the Spirit War in Kamigawa and the Ghost Quarter in Ravnica) were both caused by the major destabilization of the multiverse and the events of Time Spiral.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:40 No.5762659

    Why bother? Its already archived on sup/tg/
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:41 No.5762677
    I thought Teferi remembered it, but I could be wrong. For the other colors of magic, red was a dwarfy planeswalker guy made of stone, some treefolk for green, and I can't recall white.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)15:43 No.5762688
    How will the new suckier planeswalkers deal with YAW WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN URIZA? Seems like him being alive is an inevitable bad end in that case..
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)15:43 No.5762696

    White was Serra.

    Which is why the Onslaught block novels didn't happen.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:44 No.5762708
    He's probably very weakened or something.

    I personally liked them, though I liked Odyssey block more.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:46 No.5762722
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    Seriously? What's wrong with Lorwyn?
    Actually, I didn't care for the Lorwyn block as much as I did for Shadowmoor- but Shadowmoor/Eventide wouldn't have worked without Lorwyn/Morningtide before them.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:46 No.5762725
    Wait, wasn't Yawgmoth the one who gave Liliana Vess her powers? I think it highly alludes to it in one of the comics on the Magic site.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)15:47 No.5762735

    Naw, she just deals with deals.

    That's why she is so hot.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:47 No.5762740
    I hate Lorwyn's tone, personally. It's just so... random.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:48 No.5762750

    Only one of those people (Urza (the white-haired one)) is a plainswalker. The other one (Gerrard) is a champion Urza created through years of dicking with the bloodlines of his people.

    But yes, that black mist behind them is supposed to symbolize yawgmoth's influence over them.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)15:49 No.5762753

    How is it random?

    It's British Isle with kithkin instead of humies.

    Also, they is magically telepathic.
    >> ‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‫‌‍‎‏‮‭‬‬‬‬‬ 09/07/09(Mon)15:49 No.5762760
    So conveniently depowering everything?

    Kinda sucks. Then again, with the kind of power being discussed for ORIGINAL planeswalkers, writing a story has to be difficult. You get into a situation where the powers being discussed are so unimaginable that you risk the danger and tension just flying over everyone's heads if you don't write it carefully.
    >> Ihsan_Shade 09/07/09(Mon)15:50 No.5762769
    Nothing is wrong with Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. However, some people dislike how Lorwyn was a hyper-colorful romp through fairytale land (nazi elves aside) and Shadowmoor was GRIMDARK Halloweentown.

    I did enjoy the more classical fantasy the block used, but some people want things that aren't 'childish' (Lorwyn) or Weeaboo (Kamigawa). To this I simply say if they hate wiggertown (Mirage) too.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:52 No.5762783

    I'd like a plainswalker card that would represent some mutilated, tortured schmuck that got possessed by a bit of Yawgmoth's essence.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)15:52 No.5762790
    It just didn't fit in - even less than Kamigawa did. Kamigawa felt to me like it had a story, Lorwyn was just FAIRY TALE TIME NAO.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)15:56 No.5762838

    Of course, that was true.

    Weeaboo had "SHINTO GONE WRONG WAR", and lorwyn had, WHO IS OONA, QUEEN OF THE FAE, and Shadowmoor had LOL EAT THEM ELVES.

    Whatever, complex narratives and card games don't exactly mix naturally on the card art. The stories is for the tie-in novels.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)16:04 No.5762930

    I like how they are exploring different genres and types, even if they don't fit in. At least they are giving it a try and seeing how it would work. I do agree that sometimes it feels off or jarring in its sudden departure. Mirrodin was like SCIENCE! then, suddenly, spirits and shit and samurai and rat people.

    One thing I am happy about is how magic art has come a loooooong way since the early years. A lot of the art is just damn pretty now a days.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)16:09 No.5762981

    I really do miss Richard Cane Fergusen and Tony Diterlizzi though. The well drawn older cards certainly have a gravitas of ancient fantasy that the current photoshop artists miss (some are very good don't get me wrong).
    >> TurnBasedAnon 09/07/09(Mon)16:09 No.5762982
    Ah, what a nostalgia trip. I have a bunch of MtG cards starting from the very beginning, up to the Odyssey cycle (with a few random gift booster packs and one of those random card boxes thrown in from mirrodin)

    Also, I have a decent scanner, and a bunch of the books. If anyone has a specific book they are looking for and I have it, I'll see about scanning it for them.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)16:29 No.5763211

    Well, sir, as mentioned earlier the only books that appear to be scanned are: The Artifact Cycle 1-4, Masquerade 1-3, Odyssey 1-3, Invasion 1-3 and Onslaught 1.

    The Legends cycle (or at least the first book) would be awesome.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)16:32 No.5763245

    I kinda wish that Quinton Hoover would do more stuff.

    At least we have Rebecca Guay to be something of an anti-Wayne Renalds.

    Not that I don't like him, but his style being everywhere kinda makes me sad.
    >> Mouse 09/07/09(Mon)16:47 No.5763377
    He's not a planeswalker. He would make all creatures you control artifacts. Seriously.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)16:58 No.5763516
    Guay has no hits in the Zendikar Orb of Insight, so apparently she didn't illustrate any cards. Good riddance, imo.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)16:59 No.5763530

    Eh, there's no reason for a particular artist to do cards everyblock.

    Just as long as she is always in Standard, it's cool with me what Wizards does.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)17:51 No.5764078
    Are you fucking kidding me? Every fucking card Guay has illustrated has been a fucking art-piece in its own right. No other magic-card artist even comes anywhere near.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)17:53 No.5764108
    She looks like a Deviant art with her over saturation and lack of any definition, but at least it isn't anime though that isn't saying much.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)17:55 No.5764122
    >Rebecca Guay
    >Deviant Art
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)17:59 No.5764175

    Why the FUCK would Yawgmoth have 10 loyalty?

    In fact, why the hell would he even consent to lend his skills to helping an inferior being? The reason there is no Yawgmoth card is because it wouldn't make sense for him to suddenly show up and help you pursue your own agenda.

    The same thing goes for all characters who are involved in their own story arcs. There are cards that involve Urza and Gerrard but no actual "Urza" or "gerrard" cards.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:05 No.5764247
    >>There are cards that involve Urza and Gerrard but no actual "Urza" or "gerrard" cards.


    There was also an Urza card, though it was in his disguise as the Blind Seer.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:10 No.5764300
    >Implying magic cares about it's storyline when it comes to the card game.
    Now where is that one legend card that has protection from legends and was torn apart by legends in the books?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:10 No.5764307
    >Yawgmoth's Will.
    I, Yawgmoth, of sound mind and body...
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:11 No.5764322
    >sound mind and body
    Wrong on both accounts.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:12 No.5764333

    The lawyer reading the will then promptly melted into a mess of flesh, bone and various assortments of metaly bits and proceeded to kill everyone there.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:16 No.5764385
    yawgmoth never got a card because he represents such an incredibly powerful and influential force both within and without the game lore; to print a yawgmoth card would require quantifying the great father of machines, the mysterious, horrific, god-demon of phyrexia and primary antagonist for 80% of the story.

    it just wouldn't work.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:17 No.5764392
    Yawgmoth plays you.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:25 No.5764509
    also, re: karona
    afaik (I haven't read the novel yet) when she came to be she sought out the greatest exemplars of the colors of magic and yawgmoth was black, but he rejected her as inferior or something, so she raged out and wanted to be a god, or some bullshit like that.

    i probably fucked that up, i dunno.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:34 No.5764638
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:36 No.5764675
    Once again, like the actual game mechanics and what they print give a shit about their made up story.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)18:42 No.5764779
    If anyone read all the books, they'd clearly know that Nicol Bolas was the most capable, if not the most powerful planeswalker that ever existed. Urza should have recruited him to attack phyrexia. If only he'd known.

    The reason he's such an incredible bad ass, and pretty much runs around raping other planeswalkers (this all happens in the books: Teferi, Myojin of Night's Reach, Leshrac) is because he's the only one with BATTLE EXPERIENCE. They're all extremely powerful casters, but he's one of the few who actually knows how to USE his power to fight another planeswalker. The rest are caught up in ivory towers (teferi, urza) or xanatos gambits (leshrac), or enjoy pretending they're gods (Freyalise, Serra, etc.) Sure, Nicol Bolas ran his empire way back in the day, but he did it pretty much just to drain mana from the plane. He was all about accumulating power, and then using it on his enemies to gain more power.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)19:03 No.5765069

    Remember the shitstorm last time she didn't have cards for a couple of sets? Granted, it was Onslaught/Mirrodin era, so her stuff wouldn't have looked right, but still...
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)19:07 No.5765130

    That was because it was on purpose. As it is, we only have at best one set with no guay in it maybe. She is definably a face of MtG's art right now.


    That's one shitty design for Yawgiepoo, and I hate the bastard
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)19:08 No.5765140
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    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)19:11 No.5765188

    I know she wasn't in Mirrodin and I can't think of any cards from Onslaught by her. She missed two entire blocks.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)19:51 No.5765602
    Weatherlight/Urza cycle rocked, especially the part written by Jeff Grubb.
    And everything was cool up until they started (and we all saw how much he screwed up, even after the urza cycle) giving that fool King the job of writing books.
    And now we have bradywalkers, and the continuity is a true mess, and the timespiral books were some kind of badly thought jokes, and most of the standalone blocks (not all of them though, ravnica for example was ok) were really horrible. I stopped paying attention some time ago.

    Ah, btw >>5760589 I loled
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 09/07/09(Mon)19:59 No.5765671

    Urza knew of Nicol Bolas. He didn't bhother recruiting him because he didn't believe Nicol Bolas would want to place himself at an actual risk. Nicol Bolas gets his powers from attacking the weakest Planeswalkers he can find at any given moment because he is in fact a fucking pussy. He would never place himself at actual risk by fighting Yawgmoth. Hell, he'd probably side with him, try to betray him, and Yawgmoth would have known all along and had an even more elaborate just-as-planned set up . I don't see how Bolas fighting Yawgmoth would end in anything other than his horrific metavivisection to extract his spark as phase one of his project for Dominaria.

    Also, Urza did have battle experience. He's the only one who has repeatedly gone up against Yawgmoth, who is more powerful than any of the Planeswalkers. He also got some of the other Planeswalkers ont ohis side by utterly defeating them without killing them, and unlike Bolas, he actually went after the strongest he could find.
    >> mercury01 09/07/09(Mon)20:54 No.5766193
    >>any cards from Onslaught by her

    Bloodline Shaman, Dispersing Orb, Enchantress's Presence, Psychic Trance...
    >> mercury01 09/07/09(Mon)20:55 No.5766200

    Oh! Taunting Elf and Words of Worship, too.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)21:07 No.5766304
    Can someone help out a guy relatively new to Magic? I can see that Yawgmoth's will is a pretty good card, but what makes it game winning? Pairing it with Morality Shift, maybe? What from the Urza block made this card uber powerful?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)21:08 No.5766316

    When Yawgmoth's will was in its prime there was none of the power creep present today
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)21:30 No.5766592
    Exactly. So what made it so game breaking back then? I'm not denying it's awesomeness, just wondering what the hell it was used with.
    >> Ihsan_Shade 09/07/09(Mon)21:35 No.5766661
    Power creep is an illusion. Diversity of cards and better overall design by removing the differences between bad and good cards make one think the game is so much more insanely powerful than it was.

    When in fact, card design is more optimal, but at the same time, less broken when it does break the cusp of unacceptable.

    Urza Block was a dark time in magic, Combo Winter. It wasn't any one particular card that caused the era, it was card interactions that exploded out of proportion. Yawgmoth's Will is an example of that kind of design. It didnt' break the game itself, it enabled other cards to break the game. All it takes is a few combo pieces that are innocuous looking, and combine with cards like Yawgmoth's Wil, Dream Halls, and countless others, you could explode out of the gates and get combos off before aggro could even get going.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)21:38 No.5766701

    I will say that there has been power creep in creatures since say Alpha, and some depowered of cheap non-creatures, but I enjoy the game all the more for having awesome creatures.

    Say for example me.

    Hey, Ihsan, you ever hang out with Volrath?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)21:48 No.5766838
    Let's say you have things in the graveyard.
    Things like black lotus, dark rituals, demonic tutors. Because you just cast them this turn.
    Now you cast Yawgmoth's Will, and cast them all again. I don't think I need to explain why you've just won.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:14 No.5767143
    Holy shit. My hate for that world despite my blue-using makes complete sense now.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:20 No.5767220
    /r/ source/proof
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:32 No.5767377
    Creature pops out of a spider-like shell.

    Actually Teferi was White. Ixidor was Blue.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:33 No.5767385
    nevermind, googling any of them pops up enough links on mtg sites
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:34 No.5767398
    Has anyone read all the books and if they have could we get summarized story line from the begging untill now?
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:39 No.5767458

    Google Planechase
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:42 No.5767498
    god it would take so long to summarize. mtgsalvation wiki is a good place to start. i haven't read any of them yet (but i mean to), but from what i have read it's just.. so so so much stuff.
    >> Ihsan_Shade 09/07/09(Mon)22:44 No.5767520
    Trust me, the novels are a goddamn mess to try to explain, especially chronologically. Its better to analyze a given block at a time, rather than try to look at MtG fluff as a whole.
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)22:45 No.5767537

    Adding to his comment.

    Besides the fluff as a whole tends to repeat itself. Vampires are black, Angels are white, and goblins die often.
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:46 No.5767546
    planechase has nothing to do with that.

    and >>5767498
    was re: >>5767458 btw
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)22:53 No.5767635
    play this with platinum angel trollface.jpg
    >> Anonymous 09/07/09(Mon)23:18 No.5767959
    man this thread lasted forever
    >> Billy, Odious Trow 09/07/09(Mon)23:19 No.5767977

    It was Yawgmoth's Will.
    >> Anonymous 09/08/09(Tue)00:10 No.5768571
    Before the glory of Yawgmoth, yes, even this makes sense.

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