>>5814163
Goes in every field?

>>5814170
More like cybernetics go in every bodypart

Is that all?

Is that all?

Is that all?

That is all.

All that is.

*lofwyr.jpg*
Just as planned.

>>5814227
I am that is?

CONTENT!
What would the proper "knock your ass out" ammo be for a infiltration type: good ol' Stick'n'Shock, or Capsule Rounds + Narcojet? I mean yes, 16S damage vs. Impact (+1AP), but expensive as fucking hell and you stand a chance of actually killing the guy you might want to interrogate Jack Bauer style later on. Also, I keep hearing to mix in DMSO but what's the point if you're already shooting them?

>>5814329
>CONTENT
What is this? I don't even?

>>5814329
I find gamma scopalamine does the job better.

>>5814182
bah, not nearly as far as in Cyberpunk 2020

>>5814163

Better Shadowrun

Mere mortals, this thread is now property of Lofwyr, owner of Saeder-Krupp !

What form of initiative enhancement I want?

Regular wired reflexes, move-by-wire or synaptic booster?

Does anyone there play shadowrun?

>>5815226
Hi Boss!

>>5815698
depends on edition and likly rate of advancment

>>5815698
Synaptic booster is generally a good choice, the cyber systems cost far too much essence for my liking. You can top it up by using drugs if you need to.

>>5815698
Move-by-wire is the most fun to roleplay. At least for me, as its a computer getting you from A -> B, so you can describe all sorts of fucked up contortions and twists as your body, in some alien-puppet method, covers the distance in the most fluid and inhuman way possible.

>59: Not allowed to pose the Netrunner in embarrassing positions when he's on a run.

>>5816562

It also cost a fortune. Level 2 of that shit costs you 32 bp. And yes, it's possible to pump it to level 3 in chargen for 53 bp (resticted gear advantage from Companion 5 bp, rest is it's cost) which leaves you with whole 2 bp to buy everythign other you need.

>>5816593
That and being stuck in a permanent epileptic fit if it ever breaks down.

Anyone in here who actually knows the Shadowrun system well?

>>5814357
Gamma whowhat now?

Another thing: Even with the "Immediate" toxin speed it doesn't take effect til the end of the Round, leaving them plenty of time to fire back or call for help.
So yeah, I don't know what the fuck.

>>5814232
REDWALL, FUCK YEAR

great setting for a mouseguard campaign.

>>5816562
But Essence is only important to those who are magically gifted, yes? Or are there other kinds of tests that Essence is factored into?

>>5818606
More Essence = more room to stuff in cyberware. Also, penalties on healing rolls (default) and social penalties (optional, Augmentation).

>>5815698

Move-by-wire + Reaction Enhancers.

Max Total Benefits: +9 Reaction, +3 to Dodge Skill, +3 Initiative Passes.

Of course, you really can't afford the best of both Move-by-wire Reaction Enhancers at chargen, but in the long run some combination of the two is your best bet mechanically.

Enjoy ur seizures.

>>5814329
>>5818521
Seriously, nobody knows one way or another? I must get my ULTIMATE GHOST ARCHETYPE on.

Also, as for the Move-By-Wire problem I'd just take two ranks and a shitload of Jazz inhalers. +9 Reaction is useless when most races top out at 9 Augmented anyway (7 if you're a dorf).

>>5818678

Reaction cap is 9. With move-by-wire 3, you get +6 to your reaction, so with basic reaction of 3, you get all the benefits. But that dodge skill bonus is fucking awesoem.

... and I am not sure if paing 5 essence for it is really worth it. I mean, even alphaversion cost 4 essence.

Is there any combat build (street sam or adept) that doesn't use initiative enhancements? Or are these enhancements mandatory?

>>5818990
As a combat monster you NEED at least 2 passes to survive, but cyberware isn't strictly necessary to get it.

See: the aforementioned "shitload of Jazz inhalers"

>>5818025

That doesn't actually happen anymore - you don't twitch either, it's all micro-tremors. Besides only a pathetic DM would do that - it's not like optimization lets you do as much broken as in DnD.

>>5818606

Interestingly Vampires and other Essence draining creatures are really useful - they don't take anything that a Mundane requires, but more than that, the best way to Awaken is to experience insanely potent trauma/emotion and that's essential to the Essence Drain (any emotion can be used).

So Vampires probably create a few Awakened now and then.

The fact that they lose a little Essence isn't that bad - because the best mages all have a degree of cyber/bioware anyway.

>>5814329

My group uses stick and shock, it's not as powerful but generally the fire on semi auto and pop them with multiple shots.

How does biocompatibility advantage from Agmentation work?

So let's say, that my character buys alphaware wired reflexes 2, do I calculate the cost like this 3*0,8*0,9, for total cost of 2,16 essence, or 3*0,7 for sligthly less 2,1 essence?

>>5819142
Yeah, I'm packing an Ares Alpha so I was gonna be using Wide Bursts anyway, hence mentioning the Capsule was +1 instead of +2

>>5819174
I'd say the former, since you also count the Grade and the 50% if it's lower than your Bioware total seperately.

>>5819142
And unless they have heart problem (not very likely considering that sythcardium must be very common in 6th world) it's no going to kill them, so you don't have to worry abgout their kids and wifes hunting you down for revenge!

What's the highest Essence discount possible on 'ware by the RAW?

>>5820590
50% from Delta-grade Bioware or Type O System quality (30BP to treat ALL bio as Delta)
10% from Biocompatibility quality
50% from Bio total being less than Cyber

So that would be a rating 3 Synaptic Booster (normally 1.5) for 0.3375 Essence, or a rating 3 Adrenaline Pump for (normally 2.25) 0.50625.

Idiot question from a first-time SR player:

How necessary is the Electronics Skill Group for an Infiltrator really? I keep seeing it mentioned in the books and FAQs, but shouldn't taking the Hardware skill alone and packing a Rating 3 Agent be enough?

>>5820590

Bioware tops out at 60%, with the Biocompatability(Bioware) Quality and Delta-grade Bio implants.

Cyberware tops out at 70%, with Biocompatability(Cyberware), the Enhanced Protein Exchange(Adapsin) genetweak, and Delta-grade Cyber implants.

>>5820947
Note that Apapsin is explicitly not available at character creation though, even with Restricted Gear.

>>5821013

Yeah, but it's still a lot cheaper than most of the really powerful implants, especially once you hit Beta-grade, so a dedicated Street Sam will get it early.

>>5821319
Eh, I still prefer going bio-heavy and using ceramic/plasteel weapons. Up yours, MAD scanners!

In any game combat drugs are my preferred over implants.

>>5814329

What's DMSO, and where can I find it?

>>5821319
Ladies and gentlemen, the best passive ware kit.
Assuming you're human and train your physical stats to max. Also have exceptional attribute (agility) and a metagenetic improvement for reaction.

Bone Density Augmentation
Hyper-Glucagon
Digestive Expansion
Genetic Optimization (Agility, Body, Reaction, Strength, Willpower)
Muscle Augmentation (2)
Muscle Toner (3)
Platelet Factories
Sleep Regulator
Suprathyroid Gland
Trauma Damper


Just make sure it's all delta. Sure, it's like 6 million nuyen but still.

>>5821401
Also grade 3 synaptic booster.

>>5814230
Run a megacorp
advicelofwyr.jpg
Rape the earth.

>>5821401

Unless your character has Type-O System, in which case it's significantly cheaper.

>>5821438
True. Also biocompatibility. I keep forgetting about that fucker.

>>5821400
It's in the Chemistry chapter of Arsenal, page 82 under Compounds. 10¥ a dose lets you add Contact as a vector to any toxin. The reason I was confused about people recommending it for the Narojet bullets is because shooting someone should definitely count as INJECTION, and if you miss them/ping their armor it wouldn't count as the skin contact necessary for Contact.

>>5821438
Yes, but it also takes up 30 of your 35 positive Quality points.

>>5821401
Actually, I would add Orthoskin + Electroshock to that for INSTANT STUN FISTS without having to count charges.

>>5820807
Anyone? I must know if I have enough spare points to afford me some Krav Maga or not.

>>5821471

True, but it saves the ardent Bioware freak a TON of cash in the long run. Cash that can be spent shoring up whatever shortcomings lack of Qualities may incur.

GTFO, 4rries

have no time/ to much beer to answer but SHADOWRUN IS BEST read the romas from markus heitz :)

>>5821517
>>5821517
Agents suck, but it's a good short gap solution.

>>5821517
Also, you need to be able to hack to use an agent. As in, get it to the system, or the agent has to be able to. Just learn electronics.

Krav maga sucks balls, too.

>>5821633
I dunno, Ready Weapon as a Free Action is worth it if you have the spare points.

>>5821683
Slamm-O! looks just as douchey as I thought he would.

>>5821693
You cxan tell when Jennifer Harding writes it, because all the men have "fine asses".

>>5821663

Aim as a Free Action isn't bad either.

>>5821701
Yeah, was thinking Krav Maga + Ninjutsu + 3/4 of that Aztechnology CYBER PIT FITIN' would be perfect for an infiltrator type. The hard part would be getting a trainer for the ninja shit, but I was able to convince my GM that Tutorsofts for it should exist, but insanely hard to find (i.e. getting a Thunderstruck would be easier)

>>5821700

Hey, if men can pour on the author appeal, then women should be allowed to as well.

>>5821705
>>5821715
Oh come on you can't post those two without MAFIA TROLL and CHINA ORK

>>5821729
Oh alright.

How viable would a Knife fighting/throwing Adept be?

any good suggestions for a cortex command esque rigger for Shadowrun?

And I hope this is the MAFIA TROLL, because I have no clue otherwise.

>>5821744
Game scenario: You think you've scored with China Ork, only for the lights to come on and discover you're being raped by the thing on the cover of Arsenal.

>>5821724
It's an identifier, though. It's in EVERYTHING. ALWAYS.

Well shit, last one had a watermark.

Same goes for the crazy elf mage.

Dem dorfs, man.

>>5821754

With Weapon Foci, knife fighting as an Adept is quite doable. Knife throwing on the other hand...

would a technomancer make a good rigger?

>>5821962
>>5821903
>>5821849
>>5821810
>>5821804
So glad they updated the artwork in the new book so that it no longer reeks of 80s.
>>5821765
>>5821728
>>5821683

>>5821841

Knife throwing is harder to do, and it'll never be as effective as just shanking someone with your weapon focus, but it can be done. The Power Throw power from Street Magic, combined with Krav Maga's Ready Weapon as a Free Action are gonna be your bare essentials, adding levels of Improved Ability(Throwing) and Battle Sense as needed.

>>5822042
Something like that.

>>5822059

The character is still fucked if he needs to slip past a MAD scanner.

>>5822059
I was actually hoping to make a character who happened to be good with throwing knives, but it just doesn't as practical as a gun, especially since my character will be neither an adept nor super high on strength....

>>5822102
You can make all your knives capable of slipping through those, and I don't think there's a penalty on concealment for number of items concealed simultaneously, though I could be wrong and you couldn't get excessive with it. It wouldn't be cheap, either.

>>5822102

Ceramic throwing knives. Problem solved.

>>5822121
Damn Elf Poser.

>>5822121

Haha, elf poser.

>>5822114

Then you're pretty much shit outta luck.

Honestly, how shit is this character? It's the first SR4 dude I've made in YEARS, and completely forgot how the system worked in the interim:

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhmn92vn_10cz8p7hd9

Notes:
-Yes, I have fluff reasons for Wanted and Records on File.
-Predator/Fake Liscenses/Con/Actioneer Clothes: It's a high-class heist game, so I have to look somewhat presentable while not in full NINJA! mode. "Why yes, I am just xxxxx's perfectly normal bodyguard, do not mind me."
-Lack of programs: GM houserule that we get Common Use programs up to our comm's System rating, and our party Hacker is starting with a shitload of Ergonomic cracking programs, so I'm just counting on him to crack the copy protection in the first 5 minutes.
-Toxin costs not adding up: Another houserule, I get a 50% Narcojet/Neurostun bulk discount from my Street Doc contact due to buying it by the fucking truckload.
-Yes, I know I don't have any init enhancers besides the drugs. That's the first thing on my list in-game.

>>5822059

The *real* problem with knife throwing, is that the character in question will be leaving Symbolic Links all over the goddamn place for any spellslinger with a grudge to hunt him down with.

>>5822171
Yeah, those ear are definately fake.

>>5822304
Glass knives. Haven't you people learned ANYTHING from Snow Crash?

A curiousity, what is a real, good guess at the average amount of dice used in a showrun game.

>>5822342
I'd say an average roll is 8-10 on average, 12-18 for experts/twinks.

>>5822342
Every single one you own. Plus some borrowed from friends.

>>5822342

Barring ridiculous hyper-specialization like the Pornomancer, characters will usually be throwing around dice pools of 14-22 in their *fields of expertise*.

>>5822406

'Pornomancer'?

My DM put a hard limit of 20 dice max for anything, so no more then 20.

>>5822406
IIRC, the upper limit of Pornomancers after the 4A changes is *only* 46 dice, whereas a "mere mortal" tops out at around 25.

>>5822470

Ergo, why I wrote "barring".

Real Men use close combat technomancers.

Biowire and acceleration 3 is the best, if most expensive reaction enhancer.

>>5822451
A game-breaking adept or mage (I forget which) build that had you slinging so many dice and positive modifiers for social-skill rolls you could literally talk people in to shooting themselves without even resorting to actual mind control.

>>5821683
So, am I the only one who'd If-You-Know-What-I-Mean Netcat?

>>5822693
You are in good company.
Also, fuck Clockwork. Can someone shove a grenade down that sand goblin's throat already?

>>5822722

Clockwork's from the Balkans, not the Middle East.

So can technomancers VR cyber and do it "in the meat" at the same time?

>>5822761
If you like fucking a limp body, sure.

>>5822722
I slightly suspect somethig like that might take place when whatever setting-event that Puck's vanishing act is hinting at goes down. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking.

>>5822793
Clockwork as an undercover member of Ex Pacis? Sure, anything that gets him killed faster.

But I still say that the big reveal of what Horizon's "Consensus" is will be the next big metaplot revelation.

>>5822792
>If you like fucking a limp body, sure.
You DO realize what board you're on, right?

Horizon doesn't seem to be the big evil type outside of forcing tv ads into your dreams, but in Shadowrun, who knows what kind of wacky shit will happen next. Maybe it'll turn out Horizon's the one behind all of Aztechnology's cartoon evilness all this time, or it's run by a great dragon from the moon that eats souls, or suddenly bug spirits everywhere!

>>5822894
They're headhunting AIs and Technomancers like crazy, spend like half their budget on PR, and their black ops division is focused on "anti-memetics", busting up cults and policlubs.

They're planning SOMETHING.

>>5822894

Since Sunshine went MIA while investigating Horizon's enclave in Lagos, I'm fairly certain that whatever Horizon is up to can't be good.

Horizon is Google.

>>5822894
Horizon do mind control and all sorts of other whacky shit. They reprogram you to hate, hate, HATE doing anything illegal. Also LOVE quality horizon products! Let's all go buy some today!

>>5822894

A corporation does not reach AAA status by having the best interests of metahumanity at heart.

My dad, being a gigantic nerd, has tons of the old Shadowrun novels (from the old FASA days, the later wizkids novel was a load of drek) but I've only read the Wolf & Raven collection and Never make a deal with a dragon. Do the fa/tg/uys have any suggestions of which ones are worth reading and which ones I should just stay away from?

>>5822722
I LOVE Clockwork. He's not afaraid to say what everyone else is thinking. Fucking Technomancers.

Fucking Hackers, for that matter. You know what, fuck all of you who aren't mystic adepts. You know what SOLVES problems? A mystic adept with ten kilos of plastic explosive attached to a timer that's been activated and force fed to you.

Or just one who fireballs and great leaps away, I guess.

>>5823123
I like "Worlds without end". It's a three part series of which only the third part was written on aina dupree. A nice look at Immortal Elves.

>>5823123
>and which ones I should just stay away from?

Dragon Heart. Do not touch EVER. Presents a stupid as fuck explanation for Dunklezahn's assassination (which works BETTER unexplained) and introduces the ultimate Mary Sue character option, Drakes.

YES I WAS REALLY A BEAUTIFUL HALF-DRAGON ALL ALONG

>>5823160
To be honest, it makes sense. There really isn't another reason a great dragon would die other than to keep the world fro mgetting invaded by LOL VERJIGORM.

I still hate that cunt Mercury and Nadja Daviar's "lucious brown nipples".

>>5823160

Fuck Ryan Mercury. Alas, he's apparently still alive in SR4. More's the pity.

>>5823160
Oh, and Drakes could have been good except that AncienT History wrote them to be fucking underpowered and overcosted. The disadvantages of a drake should outweigh the advantages by a good amount, but not by that much. Being hunted by dragons to turn them into servants is a big thing, but you need to get something for it.

>>5823160
Warning noted. Mostly because I start nerd-raging every time I see a half-anything Shadowrun character (the worst being a "half dwarf and half elf, with none of the disadvantages". NEITHER SHADOWRUN OR GENETICS WORK THAT WAY!) so I doubt I'd stand a novel with it.

>>5823188

Speaking of Miss "Lucious Brown Nipples," where the hell is she and just what the fuck is she doing in SR4?

>>5823316
Still MIA since the attempted coup/assassination after the Crash.

>>5823334

Do I smell a "Just as planned" by Ghostwalker?

Is there any stories that actually have important ork, dwarf or troll characters, apart from Changeling? 'cause I'm sick of every metahuman being an elf with a few non-pretty ones in the background. Shadowrun orks and trolls deserve better than being stereotyped as cannon fodder.

>>5823361
Secrets of power.>>5823316
Consensus is she's pregnant and fucked off for a while.

>>5823375
Quick search on Sixth World Wiki says Nadja's an elf, so I'm a bit confused now about what you meant.

Come to think of it, didn't the (annoying) hero of the Secrets of Power trilogy have a sister who goblinified into a Sasquatch?

>>5823453
i hope not

Secrets of Power has Kham (or, I think it's Secrets) who is the main character. He's busy stopping an elf from going bonkers and conquering the world. SHIT writing, though, and a bad premise.

Nadja daviar being pregnant was about where she ran off to.

>>5823453
>goblinified into a Sasquatch?

Is that even possible?

>>5823504
about as possible goblinizing into a bear with laser beam eyes

>>5823528
So... yes?

>>5823546
pretty much, yeah.

It isn't. You can only become a Sasquatch by being an Ork infected with HMHVV strain I.

>>5823375

Oh God. I can see it now. It'll turn that Daviar's an Immortal Elf, and that her and Mercury's Immortal/Drake hybrid spawn will turn out to be EXTRA SPESHUL. *shudder*

?

>>5823580
Thats a Wendigo

Sasquatch are critters

>>5823585
Dunkelzahn reincarnated as Space Jesus. And Damien Knight's the godfather.

>Shadowrun

Meh generic system with horrible balance issues is meh.

>>5823600
Whoops. My mistake. And bandersnatchii.

I love how the SR and ED story lines connect. Therans were big stuff back then, killing two Great Dragons with them Behemoths.

>>5823504 >>5823528
It's worth noting it was nearly a decade since I last tried to read those books, so I might be confusing things. But as far as I remember, the hero's sister had goblinified to an ork, but kept changing even more. She was eventually contacted by a wendigo who claimed she was turning sasquatch. Note that wendigos are tricky little bastards and I stopped reading after fifty pages or so. As I said, I'm confused and also slightly drunk.

>>5823580

What? Orks with HMHVV I become WENDIGOS. Sasquatches are a completely different species from metahumanity. Sasquatches with HMHVV I become BANDERSNATCHES.

>>5823639
Shadowrun needs a holdover from Earthdawn. Something like the Tarrasque or SIN to occasionally blow shit up before buggering off to do nothing again.

>>5823614
can you name one system without horrible balance issues?

>>5823661
No, but there are systems where major character archetypes aren't fucking worthless.

>>5823656
yes or that might hmhvv 3 i forget which

>>5822894
Ok I agree that Horizon can't be all good, but they are also the ones who almost single-handedly rebuilt hollywood and the LA area and, are offering sanctuary and citizenship to AI and Technomancers, to get them away from NEOnet and the other big corps. Horizon started as a humanitarian organization, that turned into a megacorp. That being said yes they rape your dreams and control the social scene for most of the world but come on P2 was one of the best fluff things from Corporate Enclaves

>>5823744
Horizon rebuilt LA to have their very own corporate park where they could control everything without having to pay for it. Horizon took in the technomancers because they knew they'd look good in the long run. Horizon offered sanctuary to the AI's for the same damn reason. Check out the latest book, it has a short story of Gary Cline murdering his personal assistant and hiring the guy who was holding him hostage to take his place.

>>5823744
>almost single-handedly rebuilt hollywood and the LA area
The fact that there was a treasure trove of offline Matrix architecture that survived the Crash has nothing to do with that, of course.

> offering sanctuary and citizenship to AI and Technomancers, to get them away from NEOnet and the other big corps.
Best way to get a monopoly is to make them WANT to come to you.

> Horizon started as a humanitarian organization
And they still are, it's the best way to spread their memes. Love the Horizon. Give to the Horizon.

> but come on P2 was one of the best fluff things from Corporate Enclaves
...okay yeah, you've got me there.

>>5823776
What latest book? Running Wild, Seattle 2072, Artifacts?

>>5823744
>Horizon started as a humanitarian organization, that turned into a megacorp.

This is outright lie. The Horizon Group came into being when numerous entertainment and advertising corps decided to pool their resources and merge in the wake Crash 2.0.
And do you seriously think that Horizon is offering employment and citizenship to Technos and A.I.s out of the goodness of their hearts?

>>5823776
I haven't read any of the novels just the gaming books, which is probably why I see them as a more beneficial corp. Also even if they are doing it for selfish reasons they are still doing good things. If I remember correctly Horizon employees get higher pay and time off as well as better chances for promotions if they do community service. Also that Gary Cline thing actually makes me feel a bit better about Horizon, I was worried the writers went overboard making a too goody-goody corp.

>>5823866
Most of the Horizon info IS in a gaming book, Corporate Enclaves. And Sunshine went missing investigating them in Feral Cities.

>>5823794
>>5823794
Page 36, Seattle 2072.

>>5823744
>>5823866

Dear boy, 'Megacorp' and 'Altruism' are two mutually exclusive concepts.

>>5823886
Thanks.
So does anyone know what's in the pipeline anyway? All I know of is Vice (Mafia/Yak/Triad book), Sixth World Almanac (a whole bunch of Shadows of... books all at once), and Runner's Toolkit (I have no idea).

Why is the self interest of megacorps always HURGARBLERALT evil? Why can't it ever be run of the mill self interest the ultimately serves the common good?

>>5824001
Not all corps are outright evil. Hell, Evo and Wuxing are almost Neutral. And Ares, well Ares just wants to sell more guns.

>>5824001
Short term investments with no eye to the future works better for the average ceo, by the time the short term investment is up, there's somebody else in that position.

It's too bad Earthdawn was sold to one company and Shadowrun to another, but Redbrick, the guys who got Earthdawn is producing the 8th world game Equinox which looks more interesting then catalyst's Eclipse Phase (which may as well be the 7th world)

>>5824162
To be fair, Catalyst said they had a good relationship with Redbrick so they won't be contradicting each other. And besides, the horrors haven't been explicitly mentioned since like 2nd Edition.

>>5824162
> Equinox
Wait what?

>>5824162
Link to Equinox? Never thought of Eclipse Phase that way, I'll have to look it up.
>>5824188
Yeah, they have. Running Wild has a few in there - the new wraiths are kinds of horrors you could find in Earthdawn. Frosty made mention in Dusk. I think.
>>5824023
Evo and Wuxing are different. Evo is looking into transhuman stuff - they have a lab full of orks being forced to breed with different genetic stuff in their system.

>>5824234
http://www.redbrick-limited.com/cms/index.php?categoryid=60

>>5824023
There is something charming in the refreshing honesty of the EVUL, cackling, Magical Mexicans.

On a different subject, can someone explain to me a breakdown of what gives the pornomancer an absurd dice pool for his venomous speech?

>>5824359
Or how the company founded as a Yakuza front is the LEAST evil AAA Japanacorp.

>>5824493
Well, as far as gangsters go, Yaks are less random carnage oriented than most.

Right, that's it. I'm going to fuck around in Shadowrun, get my character immortal (or immune to age) and use him as a DMPC in Equionx when it's out. Except he's going to be Jesus reincarnated and start a religion just for shits and giggles, with the PCS as his disciples.

This is your next shadowrun character.

Thanks to inglorius basterds I was thinking a cool character would be some corp hardass that got scalped by injuns. Would look extra cool with a cyberskull. Do those things still do nothing?

>>5825173
Well they give you capacity slots so you can load your implanted comm and whatnot on there without taking up essence.

>>5825197
that'd be pretty sweet. Could have a bunch of LED's blinking all over.

>>5825173
Just capacity for implants and armour.

>>5825209
Cyberlimb Casemod: Skull. Augmentation page 35, 1,000¥

Also, fiberoptic hair for WALKING BLACKLIGHT.

I always want to make a Terminator cyberzombie. I don't know why.

>>5825334
Go the cheap route and make a second hand terminator using all second hand cyberwear.

>>5825352
Terminator 5: Direct-To-Video Edition

The Terminator as you've never seen him before. He can't walk into a hail of bullets - that might destroy the adidas stickers on his frame. He can't lift cars anymore - his muscles were replaced with pink neons.

Actually, full-body cyborgs are better in 4e than Cyberzombies. Sure you'll probably go insane, but you don't get supercancer or taint the astral with every step you take.

>>5825068

Don't tempt me...

>>5825594
Tainting the astral is FUN.

Looking over Eclipse Phgase, I'm fucked if I can work out how to convert a Shadowrun character over to it. Some of the rules are there, some aren't. I mean, reaction is speed, but what the hell would 12 be? 6 speed?

>>5822927
>>5823776
>>5823785
>>5823856
Was just looking at the Skillsoft fluff in Unwired and stumbled across this:

"Horizon has also been pitching business solutions intended to assist organizations in establishing and maintaining internal skill networking methods, which makes some wonder if Horizon already uses these techniques extensively in-house."

Nope, no creepy hivemind potential there, no sir!

Are cyberlimbs worth it in SR4E? They were kinda meh in SR2E

Cyberlimbs are a gamebreaker in SR3. Plate them with maxed ballistic/impact armor, then pop that character into hardened heavy milspec. Not even full auto APDS HMGs can scratch him, especially if he has a body of 14+.

>>5827692

Enjoy being unemployable. If a Johnson wanted that sort of nonsense he'd hire actual mercenaries.

>>5827670
Well, it depends if you want to utilize the capacity slots or not. Sure you could get a Customized limb tailored to match the Attributes of the rest of your body, but if you're not gonna load up with smuggling compartments and gyro stabilization and a SMG, you'd be better off using one of the OTHER many other stat-boosting methods.

>>5827862
Been thinking about taking 2 full obvious cyberlegs, upgraded to my body stats, 3 streng and agility enhancements, hydraulic jacks 6, cyberspur and maybe some body enhancement or armor if capacity allows

Is that awesoem?

>>5827923

Take raptor legs while you're at it as well.

>>5827953
Forgot them. Now I will roll (if I had meat agility 6) 17 dice on jumping just from cyberlegs without counting any skill ranks. If I had atletics skill group at 4, sythcardium 3 and skillgroup reflex recorder for atletics my char would be rollin' 25 dice for jumpin'

Any word on what's happened to Tibet in SR4?

>>5827724
Generally, runners are mercenaries. The Street Sam of the team is as vital as any other part.

>>5828002

That said, a little sublety is not a bad thing, even for the team muscle.

>>5827996

It was mentioned as being totally razed to the ground in I think the southeast asian pirate sourcebook in SR3. Can't remember the name

>>5828019
It's protected by massive m,ana barrier and nobody knows what's happening there. Probably horrors are establishing their main base of operations in tibet.

>>5828045
What? You can walk through a mana barrier (or maybe I'm thinking of another thing). Plus there is satellite recon in 2060.

>>5828067
>Plus there is satellite recon in 2060

Magic clouds.

>>5828072
Oh, magic clouds you say?

Hmmm, well speaking as the National Security Adviser for every nation on the planet worth a damn.

"Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

>>5828081

Nuclear weapons have unfotunate tendency to... not function as intended since the Awakening.

>>5828081

Speaking as the Corporate Court, "I don't think so, bitch."

>>5828015
That said, when subtlety fails, brute force goes a long way. There's a use for runners like that.

>>5827996

Nothing so far. The latest book with info on Tibet is Shadows of Asia, and in that one the Shroud was weakening and the monks were still searching for reincarnation of the Dalai Lama.
At this point in the SR4 timeline, the Dalai Lama must have found.

>>5825334

>>5828166
What's wrong with brute force? It's main use is intimidation anyway...

>>5828175

Didn't one of the SR4 books, i think Runner Havens, mention something about an A.I. converting to Bhuddism and needing elaborate measures to make its pilgrimage to Tibet?

>>5828274
Nothing, it has its time and place, like subtlety.

SR4 is better, but still sucks.

Why go Cyberpunk if Evolution can transform you into a gay Elf Mage with Superpowers? OH NO MY ESSENCE I AM TOO GAY TO PLAY A TRANSHUMANISM GAME!

distinct meh

OP here.

Holy shit.

Its true. We fucking love our Shadowrun. Playing a 3rd Edition campaign at the moment, just finished a session. Its a high military/merc campaign, and it kicks ass so far. Only problem I have with it is not enough of the group are deep enough into their RP. So far I've managed to hide the fact my character signed up to kill some fuckers that blew up his family in a botched job. He'll kill any party member that interferes with that, and its going to be either one or the other soon, GM knows, but no one is noticing the hints. This will be good.

tHE sEALS of Tibet (See Dunkelzahn's Will for one, that of Green Gloves) let you pass the Manastorm into tibet unharmed. It's a force 12 mana storm (i forget which book, shadows of asia, I think) that throws up random spell effects like Aussie manastorms and calls up angry spirits. You can get through anyway, some random merc crew did, but the sealsm ake it easier.

>>5823375

But that was in 2064, and the current timeline up to 2072. If she DID have a kid, then it would 7 years old by now...

>>5828721

Yeah, I think it was NEOnet extending coverage so it could make the journey.

Also, SR, especially SR4, rocks. No, it's not strict cyberpunk. But the idea of the global Awakening is pretty damn cool. And if I just wanted to play really dated cyberpunk, I'd play CP2020.

>>5815698

Don't forget drugs, Increase Reflexes and spirit possession!

>>5818606

Technomancers need it too.

Me and a friend are playing the card game, because our LGS has 1500+ boxes in stock. S'alright.

>>5814329
DMSO aerosol grenades + LSD.

>>5830703

Haha, CorpSec guards trippin' balls!

>>5831196
Ooooh. I wonder if someone with a gas mask on could roll by and convince them they're going Astral.

It'd be the best practical joke ever.

>>5824359

Well, you can't get much more evil than having Toxic and Blood magicians on the payroll.
Isn't it also more or less canon that Aztechnology has *the* shittiest rep among the shadow community of ALL the megacorps?

God damn. The only game I can possibly join has a BP limit of 200 points.

200 POINTS, WTF

>>5831764

I thought Aztechnology discontiued its employment of Toxics after the epic clusterfuck that was the Yucatan War, or have I not been paying enough attention?

>>5831809
What the fuck? 200 bp?! Are they plaing criples or what? Joe Avarange of 6th world has 250-300 bp invested in him.

>>5831764

I believe that was the case, but they still use blood magic for certain rituals since it's core to their Aztech religous beliefs. At least these specifically mentioned Aztechnology in the context of blood magic in the Street Magic book.

>>5831764
I forget the book "Aztlan" or something, but there is a section in there suggesting that Aztechnology is run by a horror corrupted great feathered serpent.It's not Vestrivian, but someone in the same sort of situation.

>>5835013
Man, that would suck. The biggest thing about Aztlan is how humans are ruining the world all by themselves, without any nudging from Dragons or Horrors. Even Lofwyr thinks they're fucked up.

>>5821700

She also wrote that fuckstupid piece on California dropping 10 meters.
Sure it was what they told her too - but she also wanked around with the Horizon buildup (which, despite being really obvious foreshadowing is fucking shit) - and the obsessive idea of not actually answering any of the mysteries (which works when it isn't a shit mystery) means that the only good explanations (which still don't answer the lack of global extinction) appear as a few lines scattered around.

>>5822894

I really wish they would stop wanking over it - it's nearly as stupid an idea as Tomorrow Never Dies.
"We make the news"

Admittedly it could be good - but I think they are just going for Evil Facebook run by Deus.

>>5823744

Fuck that - ShadowTwitter? MyCrimes? Hell no, it may work for some groups but that doesn't mean it makes any kind of sense.

>>5823218

Well, the trick with Drakes is to take Latent Dracomorphosis for 5BP - it also gives you immunity to HMHVV, which is good because they made Ghouls into unstoppable engines of biological destruction in the critters book because they don't understand the disease rules.

Ancient History is a shitty designer - he's got the fluff okay, but he seriously thinks that the big shaft that 4A put up Mages makes sense.
Aaron is still worse of course.

>>5831764

Yeah, but they have one of the best public reps - they're like McDonalds if they also had department stores and kids tv.
Oh and tried to end the world by creating an astral bridge to the Horrors (which is why Dunkelzahn died - to power an artifact that would stop it IIRC)

>>5831809

Wow that's appalling - whatever you do don't suck it up and join, it's kinda obvious he's a WoD Mortalfag.

>>5835240
Don't you know, silly anon? EVERYTHING is the result of Immortal Elves and Dragons?

Why is this thread still alive? O_O

>>5836981
Because it was all part of Dunkelzahn's plan.

>>5836981
According to Dunkie's will, if we get it to 300 posts, he gives us all dragon dandruff as telesma.