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    111 KB Fortress Games Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:23 No.5867345  
    Hey /tg/. I went around taking pictures of places I'd like to open my FLGS. Unfortunately I haven't had the time with my other job to call the numbers I collected and try to find out information like lease, and square footage.

    Should I wait until I have that information, or just post the pictures now and laborate later?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:24 No.5867351
    what is that car in the lot?
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:25 No.5867364
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    I don't know. It was just in the lot when I drove past. That location doesn't have any parking space, but the interior is pretty sweet. See pic.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:32 No.5867438
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    Here's the location I want. It's really sweet. Two stories, plenty of parking, it's on a busy street and very visible from a major freeway that heads towards the beach.

    Looks brand new. This is a facility that would be really ideal for me, but is probably going to be too expensive.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:34 No.5867448
    Where is this?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:35 No.5867463
    These are poor locations, look at the size of those windows! The sunlight will deter half of the customers and the fact that they could be seen from the street straddling their Cheeto stained Haruhi dakimakura will scare off the other half.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:36 No.5867476
    Maybe you could rent out those rafters to ronrey nerds who wish to hang themselves?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:37 No.5867486
    orange county California if I have followed the threads correctly
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:39 No.5867500
    I like the big windows. It's more inviting and open.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:40 No.5867503
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    Costa Mesa, California. Right off the 55 Freeway
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:41 No.5867514
    Which is why OP hangs X-bawx hueg posters in the window. Problem solved
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:42 No.5867526
    Dude. You're entering a field with razor-thin profit margins and a customer base who are happiest in dank basements. You aren't going to make a goddamn trendy coffeeshop, so you can't pay goddamn trendy coffeeshop rent..
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:42 No.5867529
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    Actually, I'd probably make the upstairs a game room where all is dark and dank, and stress the downstairs as an open, bright lounge where product is on display.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:43 No.5867538

    besides you could always put cool shit in the windows (posters or whatever) to keep natural light out while also having something to look at from outside
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:46 No.5867574
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    You're right, of course. I'm still working on my business plan however. I'm simply stating that this is the IDEAL location. If I had everything I wanted, this is how I'd go with it. To be honest I've seen FLGS's that have had huge locations with two stories and cool shit out the wazoo.

    I realize this is what my location will PROBABLY end up being. Though that's not what I want, clearly.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:48 No.5867590
    with better paint and a nice little garden that wouldn't look that bad.
    >> Leman Russ 09/15/09(Tue)03:48 No.5867596
    Then do exactly that: cater to others other than neckbeards: Comics, DVDs, Music, tshirts, anime, books, etc.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:49 No.5867601
    Only if it was a garden of stones wherein space marines carrying rocket launchers blast Orkz into oblivion.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:50 No.5867614
    Dude. That's a FINE shop. You can put some fuckawesome 40k battle scenes on in that display room, so kids can break in at night and steal them.

    Really, it has more to do with location than appearance. Are you next to a major high school/college? Easy access to freeway (not just "visible from")? Etc.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:50 No.5867615
    I had another Idea, perhaps if you had enough space, after hours you could rent it out to art instructors doing drawing classes or what ever.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:51 No.5867624

    That actually looks like a great location. Probably goes back fairly far too.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:52 No.5867635
    Exactly what I'm planning. I want this to be the home away from home. I'm not just targeting greasy neckbeards, I want the full nerd community.

    The only two things I'm not certainty about are comic books and "other" hobbies. I mean the whole boats, model planes, that kind of thing. I've seen what happens to an FLGS when they go the full diversity route for their product. The creep takes over, and then you have three employees working nonstop just to put shit back on counters so it looks SORTA neat.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:53 No.5867646
    If you get a 2 story building, make the grounbd floor for everybody (And by that I mean that's where the Anime, Comics, swag, shirts and all that go) and the upper floor for the gamers.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:54 No.5867658
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    Also extremely poor parking.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:55 No.5867673
    seems like a bitch to make it look inviting and clean, the property owners can't even do that
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)03:56 No.5867688

    Surprisingly small. Still, the front looked like it had potential.

    I would love to have the same drive to open something like this, but the one in my town here died and the nearest one is too good at what they do to bother competing with, not to mention there's two of them.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)03:57 No.5867698
    That was my thought too.

    >>5867646 see >>5867529
    >> Communist !U.O6I1Vi4w 09/15/09(Tue)04:00 No.5867728
    Parking will be important if you plan on chaps depositing themselves in your dispensary for hours at a time. Never, ever, underestimate how much a shitty parking area will screw your store over. Especially in California.
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:00 No.5867733
    do we have pictures of the inside ?
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:01 No.5867740
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    This was my other "awesomesauce" location. It's literally walking distance from a local highschool, has incredibly parking in the back, is next door to a bank and is decently large.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:03 No.5867761
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    Also attached image.
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:03 No.5867768
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    looks too small
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:03 No.5867772
    Until you get a price range...
    How much COULD you conceivably pay a month/what kind of loan would you need to PURCHASE a location?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:04 No.5867779
    Have you tried a royal purple for the color stripe? Red seems aggressive like a bank or insurance companies logo.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:07 No.5867798
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    We're going with blue. My website IS up, for those who are in the know.

    See attached. Also it has a convenient back entrance.
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:10 No.5867831
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    why do I asways have to make myself look like an ass ?

    blue then
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:10 No.5867835
    Dem floor tiles
    >> Ekoi !PpcsYfrVrw 09/15/09(Tue)04:12 No.5867849
    This one looks fairly awesome, and sounds it too.

    Royal Purple is the mother-fucking shit of colors.

    The world needs more of it. <3
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:12 No.5867853
    I kinda like it. I think the arching on the wall panels fits with my theme.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:14 No.5867873
    looks roman
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:16 No.5867889
    not so small indeed, but will you have the gaming rooms you want ?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:17 No.5867894
    Any ideas on how to make your online store stand out?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:17 No.5867896
    while the gamer in me admires your commitment to the 2nd floor nerd attic, the guy-who-has-been-hanging-out-in-a-comic-shop-for-10-years part of me sees it as a nightmare pipedream.

    we all like to try to support our LGS and that stuff, but just as likely we've all seen our fair share of shoplifting, I know I have. Maybe the crowd at your LGS is a little more Lawful Good, but you have to admit that in this industry there's a lot of product that can be divided into 'fits in pocket' 'fits in bag' 'fits in backpack' and since its usually stuff that doesn't have anti-theft devices incorporated, or looks completely unremarkable or totally untraceable once the box is open, pretty much the only way to deter theft is the good old fashioned heavy handed and hawk-eyed employee sleuthing.

    having the gaming room on a second floor where all manner of product can disappear upstairs and find its way into a bag or army box seems to me a recipe for disaster. Sure, you can make rules like 'no product beyond this point' but realistically you only have 2 eyes and so many employees.

    I think the best possible scenario is to have an all inclusive sales floor where both the back office and the register have a commanding and unobstructed view of the gaming area.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:18 No.5867906
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    Here's another location I looked at. It'd have to be much more of a retail location. Also there's this bizarre rear corridoor at the back of the store.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:19 No.5867912
    Maybe. I'm a security guard, and I know that shit is a nightmare - I hate doing loss prevention, even as covert. But it can be okay if you make the entire room very much open - stock around the walls, with lots of cameras and ensure people keep a close eye omn the nerds. Consider ESA tags - tag EVERYTHING. It's a bit extra in terms of cost, but worth it. Remove at the register.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:19 No.5867914
    Back entrance for those embarrassed neckbeards. If you're next to the bank, people have plausible deniability, too.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:21 No.5867936
    Close off the front, only let people come in the back.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:22 No.5867943
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:23 No.5867950
    This might be a good idea. Tag everything on the floor, and then put one of those alarms before the gaming area, like bookstores do at the bathrooms. Watch the sales floor carefully, and it would probably deter most theft.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:23 No.5867951
    Porn shack or local gaming store. Equally disgraceful?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:24 No.5867965
    Put out empty display boxes, make the fucks ask for em if they want something.
    >> GOD SEES YOU 09/15/09(Tue)04:24 No.5867970
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    Equally un-Christian, more like.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:26 No.5867995
    My girlfriend's dad has just got into the model boat hobby and, over here in the UK at least, it is big money. You could stock a few different ready to run boats and do an order service for more expensive stuff. Over here it's more than £1,000 for a sailable model of the Yamato, without engines or receiver. The model boat hobby is awesome because it makes Warhammer look cheap.

    Don't go nuts with it though. Maybe consider shifting model boats through your website- it'll keep the fa/tg/uys segregated from the boatfags so you don't get the "Oh man, that place sucks, it's full of boatguys/fatguys" thing going on.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:27 No.5868004
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    Here's a location that would be pretty hilariously awesome to be in.

    It's downright massive. Used to be a paint place, but they went out of business.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:28 No.5868018

    Only way to do it.

    Keep all blisters and TCG stuff behind the counter as well. Keep blisters under lock and key, preferably a glass counter so people can look at them up close, but can't get their hands on them without supervision.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:29 No.5868027
    What's the website?
    >> Ekoi !PpcsYfrVrw 09/15/09(Tue)04:29 No.5868031

    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:31 No.5868047
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    Behold, the inside! In addition, there's a huge storage room and truck dock.

    www.fortressgames.com I haven't been able to get product up there yet because I haven't been able to find a distributor who will let me sell their product online, without having a shop to put it in first.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:33 No.5868065
    well, the stopgap measure at my LGS was to just build a small plywood stage elevated 6" off the ground that gave the employee at the elevated register a more commanding line of sight.

    I don't think alarms and anti-theft devices are a bad idea, but I personally think that increasing the employee's situational awareness is the least costly and ultimately finest option, thieves have a tendency to get what they want, whether or not they keep it or are caught speaks more to planning vs impulse on the part of the criminal than anything else.
    >> Ekoi !PpcsYfrVrw 09/15/09(Tue)04:33 No.5868066
    "We have the best accessories for your favorite board games.

    XBox 360, PlayStation 3, Wii"

    Eh, wut? XD
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:34 No.5868080
    awesome !
    >> Formed 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:34 No.5868081
    Hey good luck there! The only issue I can see with the two smaller places is going to be stocking issues, I also agree with the guy who said that you should keep nearly all items behind the counter or locked up. Before I did this I had a sizable amount of loss due to it.

    Also if you're planning to make a dedicated gaming section make sure it's got some good ventilation, you may also want to invest in some non-fluorescent lighting for the display floor. And sadly the whole shpeel about the general clientele liking the darkness and privacy is damn near head on, there were rather large issues with people not coming in because they were shy or some issue like that. Posters will fix the issue, back entrances specifically for gaming areas also don't hurt, with the front being for the general store.
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)04:35 No.5868087

    This sounds like the best idea. Have several catalogs around for the companies along with some basic models to entice people. Tag all the things that have risk being pocketed and keep blisters/card packs either locked up, out of reach or behind the counter. Cameras and the convex (or is concave?) mirrors will help you keep an eye on the store and will deter theft to begin with, even if they are unmanned (However, when you have employees around, make sure most of them are working/on.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:35 No.5868089
    Im following your threads with interest Naile.

    You really MUST spend top dolla on the security - you want this to be a second job/hobby fun thing to do - nothing will crush that quicker than you having to constantly be on the lookout for theft or adjusting your prices to make up for lost items...

    Either tag shit or just keep the expensive shit (40k shazz) behind the counter...
    >> Formed 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:36 No.5868096
    Also OP, how much work are you willing to put in to setup the place? Like are you considering possible partitioning etc?

    The paint place is fucking huge btw.
    >> Formed 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:36 No.5868104
    And I just realized I can't spell. Goddamn you hooked on phonics.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:37 No.5868111
    Plywood? Look, most people in a FLGS are going to be fat or built like brick shithouses or rat skinny. Two of those are going through plywood like it's paper.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:39 No.5868127
    Remember to stock miniatures by firms other than GW and PP. Get stuff by Reaper, Victory Force, Copplestone Castings and other firms. Hard mode- become the sole US stockist for a British, European or Australian miniatures company.

    Don't feel the need to order everything from Twilight Creations' catalogue, because although Zombies! and other such games are good fun, Cthulhu Rising is a piece of shit which will make your customers resent you. I'm serious, it's a game of drawing numbered cards from a deck and has nothing at all to do with Cthulhu.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:39 No.5868129
    Sorry. Portions of the template are still in there. I've been quite busy with my other job and haven't had time to go back through and properly tag them and eliminate them.

    As far as security goes, I am planning on investing in some cameras, and allowing the register a clean view of most of the product. I also want the register to have a clear view of the front door so employees can greet customers as they come in.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:40 No.5868142
    This location looks pretty amazing, but I worry about the store having a truck dock, which is fundamentally an ideal bone breaking playground for kids that are committed to becoming insurance liabilities and habitual emergency room visitors.

    Naturally, as a proprietor of a game shop, this isn't your fault, but here in Southern California and I imagine a great many other places in the nation as well, "Daycare" is defined by the average terrible parent as any establishment that entertains a child between 3pm and dinner time while soccer mom goes and gets her nails done.
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)04:41 No.5868151

    For the employees

    It all comes down to price (rent), location and floorspace.

    You can probably choose which two you want to have but no more
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:43 No.5868160
    Two by fours, insulation, and drywall if I remember correctly.

    My grandfather's a carpenter. I'll ask him about it. He knows this shit.

    I'm personally willing to put in a great deal of effort. I want this place to be the shining jewel in a crown made of win and FUCKYEAH. Which is why in all likelyhood it's going to be a multiple year project. I just don't know at present. I'm continuing to work on things, and not make any dangerous leaps as yet. This is my dream, and I'm fully aware of the fact that I don't have the business background to just go ahead and do it. I am consulting others at every juncture and weighing every decision heavily before moving on.
    >> 40kun 09/15/09(Tue)04:43 No.5868167
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    a first test
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:43 No.5868168

    Also fuck this. Throw the little bastards out, you'll lose revenue yes but you'll spare yourself a huge headache.
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)04:45 No.5868184

    Look for Pig Iron or Hasslefree to stock. They have great minis and great parts that can be used to enhance minis.

    Unlike GW, if you sell a ten pack of cadians and then a 10 head (or maybe 10 rifle) accessories pack, you have just increased the money made and now the player has a cool customized army that looks unique and awesome!
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:45 No.5868193
    Hahah. That looks AMAZING.
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:45 No.5868195
    Alright, expect to be in the red for a while, chances are you're going to have the property to work on for a rather long while until you're even able to get stock into the store.
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)04:46 No.5868203

    Agreed, you are not a GW store, you don't have to babysit little tykes. But it all depends on how much money you are making, if they are spending money, welcome them in. Otherwise, kick them out.
    >> Ekoi !PpcsYfrVrw 09/15/09(Tue)04:47 No.5868207
    Hey Naile, would you kindly email the people who have signed up for your site when you have product available? :D
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)04:47 No.5868208

    That looks great
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:49 No.5868218
    There's been a lot of people who don't like the little guys. But they DO spend money in the store. And lets face it, while a kid throwing a temper tantrum is hilarious, embarrasing, and a nuisance, a manchild neckbeard throwing a fit about their latest Warhammer loss or game version being kicked is just embarrasing and a nuisance.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:50 No.5868231
    I certainly shall, my good man. I'll also be blogging on the site itself, so keep an eye out.
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:51 No.5868237
    That's until they end up freaking out, smashing into your fucking PRIZED completed and painted figure set (we're talking regional contest winners), and cut themselves, then the parents sue you for having an un-safe environment.
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:52 No.5868251
    Oh yeah, and that was because I was temporary out of Lorywn boosters
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:53 No.5868255
    was that child mentally retarded?
    >> Comrade tech priest 09/15/09(Tue)04:54 No.5868256
    I totally signed up for your site, Was disappoint.jpg when I saw your forums were down.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:55 No.5868267
    If he want's a respectable business I don't know if he wants us on his forums
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:55 No.5868270
    No forums yet. I'm using Joomla to keep the site running, but I couldn't find a forum extension to use. I'll be contacting the other administrator soon and asking them to set them up as soon as possible.
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)04:57 No.5868286
    Didn't appear so, but it's a definite possibility. This is a kid that came in every couple of days or so and started bantering to the other normal customers about how his MtG deck was "Most Pro-Level" deck in the store (he really said that) and then proceeds to get his ass beat by someone with a mill deck, this usually ends with the kid calling the other player a cheater, and him storming out of the store saying he's never coming back.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)04:58 No.5868290
    I assure you I will be moderating my forums personally. Watching to make sure that your tomfoolery is kept to a bare minimum.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)04:59 No.5868298
    So...no Drider rape?
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:00 No.5868305
    I think its really impressive what you're doing, where abouts are you setting this place up? I havent really been following your threads.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:01 No.5868317
    Britfag here. We don't really have as many games stores as you guys, but I'm fortunate in having a pretty awesome FLGS in my hometown.

    The store's pretty big, and divided into two areas.

    Front of house is the shop floor, with shelving and the register (between the product shelves and the door, with CCG packs behind glass) and a display table of the week's new releases or featured games. The shop floor is set up so that jigsaws, boardgames and other traditional games that won't scare the general public are up in front, being the first thing that customers see when they come in. The RPGs and wargames are towards the back, but still in line-of-sight of the register. The register's got counters on two sides, with a small alcove behind it where regulars can lurk and shoot the shit with the proprietor without getting in the way of customers who want to make a purchase.

    Back of house there's a pretty big games room with a crapload of IKEA tables and chairs, where they run games nights in the evenings (boardgames, wargames) and CCG tournaments at weekends. No one's allowed out back when these events aren't running, and there's always a member of staff in there at such times. I think there's a smaller room for the D&D players as well.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)05:02 No.5868321
    Orange County, California. See the first few posts in this thread.

    It's something that's the dream for a lot of nerds. I haven't had an FLGS for a long time.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:04 No.5868337
    I live in plymouth and so far the Games Workshop is the only place I've been able to find remotly resembling a FLGS and they only allow GW products.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:05 No.5868342
    I'd totally work for an LGS, but im in the bay area.
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)05:07 No.5868354
    There are a number in the area, Berkley has a great store off of....shit I forgot the name but it's the main street. I'm from the Bay Area now in Sacramento, OP if you want I can head down to the local LGS and take some photos if the owner will let me (he's a friend of mine but he's REALLY anal about his privacy)
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)05:07 No.5868362
    Thanks guys. I've had a lot of offers of employment, but that's really no good until I have a location.
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)05:10 No.5868379
    >#14: Site Selection: Choose Your Space Carefully

    >#10: Store Layout
    >> John 09/15/09(Tue)05:11 No.5868382


    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:13 No.5868387
    I don't imagine many of your prospective customers would often be going to the beach, but maybe that's the stereotypes talking.

    You mean Games of Berkeley or wossname on Shattuck? There was a smaller one around the corner I think, but it seemed more geared toward /v/: computers in the back and whatnot.
    >> Anonymous 09/15/09(Tue)05:13 No.5868390
    Thats great if I could drive.
    My local LGS isn't all that great, Gator Games
    All they do is sell and do demos for RPGs and only run card game tornements.
    I'd love an LGS that did Warhammer, but isnt GW.
    Also San Mateo County... worst fucking place to have any type of geek culture I swear to fucking god, cept anime, soo many fucking weeaboos and asians.
    Pretty much every gaming cafe in a 20 mile radius died, the only LGS constantly says they might go under and there's nothing else really.

    Anyway enough ranting.

    GL OP, hope you do well :D
    >> Former 'Cade/LGS Owner Bob 09/15/09(Tue)05:15 No.5868399
    Ouch, yeah San Mateo is a shithole.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)05:16 No.5868403
    I'm familiar with those columns, thanks. I read them from time to time.
    >> Tech Priest Naile 09/15/09(Tue)05:26 No.5868474
    Alright guys. Thanks for the support tonight. Time for me to hit the sack, I'll keep you updated as I progress in putting my store together.

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