The point where he breaks his oath to his god.

When he stops worshiping his god

rolled 7, 19, 18 = 44

He's not helping evil by having sex with them.

>>5954268
I'm finding it difficult to get over my annoyance at realizing that both of those figures are male.

>At what point does the Paladin fall?

At the point he breaks his oath.

When he stops being ready to escape.

>>5954268

>At what point does the Paladin fall?

I don't think Celibacy is a part of the Paladin's oath, so this situation doesn't cause him to fall. However, I doubt the Drow are allowing him to continue to worship Torm so he falls the first day he spends fucking the dark elves instead of praying to his god.

>>5954352
Faith is in your heart, you fool. Clearly these dark evil bitches are a gift from TORDEK, god of DORFS AND BITCHES, and friend to Torm.

A more pertinent question is how long he can keep the drow ladies satisfied before they get bored and kill him.

I'm betting two weeks. Most Paladins have high STR and Con scores so they tend to be in good physical shape.

>>5954388
ah, but does he posess a +5 Holy Avenger... in his pants?!

>>5954352
I doubt your god would punish you when you are physically unable to pray.

It's less that he's fucking girls of a different alignment, it's that they have power over him.He falls when they ask him to.

>>5954268
Paladins fall when they lose faith in their oath and god.

It is entirely up to the paladin when he falls.

>>5954388

This. Sooner or later, they're going to get bored, and sacrifice him to Lolth.

>>5954410
Depends. Reasonable DM? Nah, it's understandable.

Gygaxian DM? YOUR GOD STRIKES YOU WITH IMPOTENCY. YOU MUST NOW CUNNULING EVERY DARK ELF BITCH IN THE CITY AND IN RETURN YOU GET NO PLAY. ALSO YOU WERE EATEN BY THIRTY-SEVEN CENTIPEDES, ARE ENCUMBERED BY TEN MILLION COPPER AND YOU DIED OF THIRST, EVEN THOUGH YOUR BODY NEVER ALERTED YOU TO BEING THIRSTY.

>>5954352
>I don't think Celibacy is a part of the Paladin's oath
It isn't, by core.

>>5954410
I wouldn't be so sure.

Any god who requires me to not fuck hot drow bitches is no god of mine.

>>5954275
>>5954276

Paladins do not answer to gods. You can be a horrible Tormite and-

Oh. Torm. Realms. Nevermind. Everyone answers to gods in the 'Realms.

>>5954268

3.5, 3.P, or 4e? They're all handled very differently.

But in any case, alignment follows action, not just your mindset. A paladin can't fall until he is actually presented with a choice and chooses to do something Evil (or chooses to do a LOT of things which are chaotic- i.e, enough to shift his alignment all the way out of lawful).

is it wrong if he puts effort into it so he entertains them more and lives longer? He would be doing this to have more of a chance to escape but he is also co-operating to an extent.

>>5954462
I say no, anything he does to further the life of a servant of his god (i.e. himself) would be serving his god.

In fact, you could look at this like a trial that tests his faith, if he can endure and escape without losing faith he would be that much better of a servant for it.

>At what point does the Paladin fall?

>Now the Paladin is loathe to admit it but he's starting to like this arrangement.

Right here. The OP supplies his own answer. The fact that he would rather be a boytoy to four bitches of Evil alignment than fulfill his oath to to gods means that he falls.

On the plus side, he can become a blackguard and lead the Thrall armies against the surface dwellers in return for staying alive longer and receiving more hot drow loving.

But if he's good enough at being their sex toy, couldn't he just perpetually keep them in a sex induced daze, thus preventing them from causing any more evil for the rest of their lives? It may not be the best solution, but at least it works.

"Paladins: cleansing the world of evil, 1 lifetime of HOT DICKINGS at a time."

In a world without prevention I would assume they would eventually fall pregnant.

>>5954531
Only if he actually looks at it as doing his duty to subdue evil in any way he can and not "fuck yeah, lifetime of giving out hot dickings for me!"

Now if he looks at it as "fuck yeah, subduing evil with hot dickings!" then we get into a grey area.

>>5954504

and what a test it is! I mean, would you want to escape from endless nights of sensual pleasure? From exotic temptresses who know just how to caress your flesh and excite every nerve? From an ocean of hot, writhing, ebony flesh sliding against your body? From the matron as she slowly crouches down to take in your engorged me....AHEM.

Sorry, got a little carried away.

>>5954580

Fuck you, my manhood has become steel.

I'm sorry, I can only picture the paladin turning into their family psychologist.

"WE'RE GOING TO FUCK YOU UNTIL WE'RE SATISFIED"
"... Why? What motivates you to do this?"

The situation as it plays out in my head continues, revealing that the drow turn into well-adjusted, dark-skinned, white-haired, red-eyed typical Americans in the fifties. With the paladin stoically reading the Menzoberran Times newspaper and smoking a pipe in the den after tending the house's surrounding areas until it sprouts a healthy lawn.

>>5954580
exactly
I mean hey, as long as the pally doesn't "like" it, then he doesn't fall right?
I mean, a guy can only do so much you know

>>5954580

Keep going, getting carried away is fine on /tg/!

>>5954625
>Why? What motivates you to do this?

because they are a female ruled society and they like sex?

>>5954560


http://web.archive.org/web/20071115163731/www.netbook-of-uck.net/online_guide/7_newspells.htm

Shield Womb. Magical vasectomy, motherfuckers.

>>5954560

There are certain herbs and roots that make a woman's body just poisonous enough that they don't get pregnant. That also isn't taking into account magic, and what not. I'm sure there's a spell out there, or three, that makes you sterile temporarily.

Aren't we forgetting something here? This is practically a death sentence. It doesn't matter how good the pally is in bed, sooner or later the drow ladies will get bored with him and start craving something new. Then it's off to the temple of Lolth for the Paladin.

His only hope is not to give in and last long enough to successfully plot an escape.

fucking is falling

>>5954268
You dont have to like you duty to do it. He falls when presented with the oprotunity to succesfuly escape and does not, because he would rather give hot dickings. He is alowed to give hot dickings, he is allowed to enjoy hot dickings, he is allowed to fail at his oath as long as it was not by consous choice. (aka he is alowed to try and fail, but he MUST try). My palidin is a chef also, he enjoys cooking. He wont fall because he enjoys cooking, he wont fall because he enjoys cooking more than defending the viliage from ogres, he would fall if ogres attacked and he ignored it so he could cook. Same thing.

>>5954631

It doesn't matter if he likes it. The gods don't give two shits about his sex life- he can plow those purple lips with gusto and scream Armageddon quotes while he's doing it.

What matters is that he not commit an evil act, not commit enough chaotic acts to change his alignment, and that his actions don't stray from the will of Torm.

Paladins also can't willingly associate with evil creatures. That means that if he is given the CHANCE to walk away and he chooses to be a drow fucktoy instead, he falls from grace (but is still LG, just an ex-paladin). However, if he is being FORCED to associate with evil creatures (not choosing to) then that line is moot.

He basically falls at the point where he has some chance at escape and lets it slide past because he's grown complacent.

>>5954694

Faerun is not a world without prevention.

I forget their names, but there are cheap substances which render both males and females infertile for one month. They're in the equipment chapter of the 3.0 FR Campaign Setting.

Quick Poll!

How many of you fa/tg/uys have an erection after reading this thread?

>>5954819

Breaking the oath to your god doesnt seem lawful to me, while maybe not evil.

>>5954847
I mourn for the paladin, but I have the Libido of an old woman.

>>5954847

~monk raises semenstained fists~

>>5954848

Breaking an oath is usually a chaotic act, yes. And while one chaotic act is never enough to make you non-lawful, the paladin code specifically requires him to 'keep his word'.

But what oath is he breaking, again?

>>5954867
None. As far as I know, there is nothing in the oathes about not having carnal knowledge of evil elves.

Well, if he is unable to escape how else could the Paladin avoid a very painful death in the Temple of Lolth?

Become a Blackguard and lead thrall armies?

>>5954268
> At what point does the Paladin fall?

When he stops trying to smite evil with his penis, even though he has smites left and they are clearly evil.

It's fascinating to me to picture their pillow talk after a few months. Inevitably, he is going to question their evil ways and try to convert them (perhaps at their intentional goading), and they are going to bemusedly explain that they don't give a damn.

If he survives this he is going to come away with a much deeper understanding of of intractable, irrepentant evil. Few paladins, I think, really understand what makes evil people tick.

This could be both a blessing and a curse.

Hey !

Urgent question.
What color are the folds of a drow's vagina ?

>>5955042

Depends. I had thought they, like a drow's nipples ranged from a deep red to a bright pink in contrast with their ebony skin.

>>5955042

I hate you as a person

>>5955091
Because I'm wondering about that or because I made you wonder about that ?

>>5955042
>>5955064

That's what the internet seems to think.

Because their skin is pitch black, I'd always pictured the girlbits as being a dark purple (sometimes ranging into purple-red). But on the interwebs, the skin tends to be purple, so you'd lose contrast.

>>5954268
Why wouldn't they torture their sex toy ?

>>5955182
by all that is holy, sauce please!

>>5955182
Hm. Is their blood red, by the way ?

>>5955212
Gelbooru.com.

Sorry.

>>5955120

Both. Now I feel dirty...

Post the picture when it's done you bastard. I think I just fell. :(

>>5955238

So Drow Tales.

>>5955235
I assume so; they're (relatively) recent descendants of elves.

>>5955212
drowtales, you need to subscribe to see the good bits and apparently the author threw a hissy fit and is not making anymore porn.

did someone said paladin?

did someone say rape?

>>5955252
>did someone said

>>5955212
http://www.drowtales.com/~daydream/liriel.php?cid=4

>>5955182

>>5954268
He falls at the point he would choose this life, over his divine appointment to smite evil.
Though as others have said and suggested he has a bright future ahead of himself as a black guard. Plus with that man priestess of Lloth around getting a fiend summoned to make a deal with should be easy enough.

>59 posts and 2 image replies omitted.

When he starts associating with them because they're evil -- I assume.

So basically what >>5954342 says

You are now aware of the fact that the OP's picture contains two guys. Manually.

>>5955465
It's true--it's on y-gallery somewhere

>>5954657
Mage Slap!?

>>5954657

That is seriously some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. And I liked the BoEF.

to the paladin it would be like sticking his holy meatstick in the crusty chuff of a bugbear.

>>5955648

The Conductive Kiss feat is kind of nifty.

>>5955730

And Smooch Spell for the arcane version.

>>5955648
Damn abbreviations... Which was that again?

pic related, i´d cleave and smite it.

>>5955779

Book of Erotic Fantasy.

>>5955779
fucking forgot my pic

>>5954268
Problem with OP's pic;
Define 'dickings'.
Define 'variant paladin'.
Please explain what makes variant paladins good/better at this.

>>5955730

It should have Hide Power as a prerequisite.

I was talking specifically about the "shield womb" spell, though. In general, the author clearly isn't a very good game designer, but there are still some neat ideas here and there.

But temporarily teleporting your ovaries to your god's plane of existence and leaving them there for the duration of the spell? Christ. I don't even know the name of the disorder that a wizard or cleric would have to have to invent this spell.

I spend my life worshiping Sune, finally die in a crazy drunken orgy, and make my way to Evergold, and what do I find?
Goddamn ovaries floating around everywhere.
Fuck.

>>5955837

Where the hell are her nipples supposed to be?

>>5955860

Damn that's hilarious. Doesn't BoEF's Block the Seed or whatever do the same thing, but without the lulz?

>>5955872
On her god's plane of existence.

>>5955872
Underneath the cloth that matches her skin tone that is anchored to that leather getup.

Say a chance was given to the said paladin of Torm to slit them drow bitches' throats in their sleep was given knowing the next day he would be sent to the temple of Lolth to be sacrifice

if paladin kills them in their sleep does it constitutes into falling knowing if he does not do it death would come?

>>5955837
>>5955860
>>5955872
>>5955910

Posting in an awesome thread.

>>5955860

Looking at the rules, that has some evil potential. Cast on pregnant woman, shove her into a portable hole. Hop to your deity's plane for a free baby, while the would-be mother is now barren.

>>5956039

Or you could poison the organs and/or baby.

>>5954657
I'll do one better:

IRON HEART SURGE

>>5954657

The best contreceptive has a failure rate of 15%? I thought even then the good ones had a good chance of preventing pregnancy.

>>5955648

It suffers from copypasteitis. Things like a flesh to stone fluid burning stuff.

>>5954947

Alaric slumped back into the soft silken sheets. Two slender, ebony bodies slithered next to him. His naked legs were spread over the edge of the bed and the matron's middle and youngest daughters were eagerly licking the generous load he had blown off of each others naked bodies. The matron and her eldest daughter were on his left and right sides respectively. The matron ran her hand over his muscular chest, her snow white hair splayed out behind her, staring at him with her violet eyes. The eldest ground against his leg, growling hungrily.

It took Alaric a moment to regain his voice. He stared into the matron's eyes. "Why do you do this?" He asked between pants. "Use people like this?" She languidly ran a finger over the Paladin's muscular chest before replying. "Why shouldn't I? You surface dwellers are all inferior. It is natural that the superior race should use you for abstinence and.." she giggled "amusement."

"What if the roles were reversed, matron?" Alaric asked, "what if I had kept you a prisoner and raped you whenever I pleased?"

Coulden't he just kill the two evil drow bitches while they try and get it on with him?

>>5956538

(Cont)

"Oooh, mother! Maybe we should try that next!" The eldest daughter had stopped grinding on his leg and now moved up parallel with her mother, caressing the captive Paladin's face. Her pale, blonde hair caressed his chest as she moved her deep, amber eyes to stare into his.

Alaric felt two heavy weights on his legs, he looked down and saw that the middle and youngest daughters had finished licking each other clean and now were sitting on his legs. The middle daughter sat attentively listening, her long aqua hair and pearl draped figure was a paragon of lust. The youngest sat to her left, not as well developed as her sisters and mother she was still quite shapely with her small, perky breasts and bobbed white hair. She pumped his limp member in one slender hand.

The mother giggled in response to her daughter's eagerness. "Well, sir knight." She said. "I would not be so weak or foolish as to fall into your hands, were you so inclined. Besides, I am a realist. You would never do such a thing to me. It is against your Paladin's code." She shifted her position and kissed her way up his chest to his lips. "Besides," she breathed before plungeing her tongue into his mouth and withdrawing. "If you can still talk, I don't think you're completely exhausted yet."

She ran her hand down his chest, his stomach soon she was reciting the arcane incantation he knew all too well. "Delightful Hardness." The daughters cooed in appreciation as Alaric soon became erect again.

This was going to be a long night.

>>5956538
>>5956668

Gonna have to ask for more of this.

>>5956668

DAMMIT NO! You can't end there! I'm not finished yet!

>>5956538
>>5956668
FAPPING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT!

Quick, write moar!

When they stop serving lawful good. Being a sex toy isn't opposed to this.

Paladins do not draw there power from any specific god by core. They draw it from lawful good energy plane. Variant paladins draw their power from other planes, but regardless they are champions for the defined shit that goes on in the planes to which they are "aligned." Get it?

>>5955839
>Problem with OP's pic;
>Define 'dickings'.
>Define 'variant paladin'.
>Please explain what makes variant paladins good/better at this

>>5956758

All divine spellcasting and divine SP/SU abilities in the 'realms are reliant on a diety.

Even a ranger can lose his spellcasting.

>>5957014
... Which is important because OP specifically said "Paladin of Torm" (that's the important bit).

We all know that Paladins are all lawful homo. So whats the point of this thread?

>>5957029
Torm is the "god of Paladins" in that he's their patron, however they do not draw power from him specifically; It might help to think of him as their font on the plane of Faerun to Elemental LG, ...but he can be bypassed.

>>5957014
Nah man, Clerics of Ao, Elemental Clerics, etc. It can be Planar as much as it can be Deific. Hell in the case of Dark Sun dudes were getting granted sphere access via Dragons.

>>5957061

No he can't.
Not in third edition Forgotten Realms. Go read the book.

FR specifically says that ALL divine classes must have a deity, and that that deity can take their powers away. This is an exception to the core rules.

>>5957074 Dark Sun

Is that part of Forgotten Realms? I'm a little rusty on my settings.

>>5957083
In one edition out of many. In that specific point in the timeline. Spelljammer says otherwise; Blahblahblah. The point is that there are many different flavors and ways to look at deities, alingments, and "divine" casting in D&D and there seems to be a shit ton of "it's this way and only this way" regarding the concepts.

>>5957099

>>5957099

>>5957099
Dark Sun is a setting all it's own, and an excellent one.

>>5957099
Forgottem Realms/Faerun is like one crystal sphere amongst many. Dark Sun is another one. Spelljammer is where you cruise around between them. Planescape was the super-nexus city where all points come together. Ravenloft was some crazy mist that crawled between them or some shit.

Basically the "core" rules to D&D and AD&D are about the greater cosmology of all the planes, the various "Settings" being beneath them and having their own tiny twists and variables. Any homebrew setting is suppose to be your own sphere with its own rules that can just sort of be dropped in.

>>5957130

And aren't we talking about the Forgotten Realms, meaning where paladins get their powers from in other settings is irrelevant?

>>5957107
The problem here is that the paladin serves Torm, a deity found only in Forgotten Realms.
In Forgotten Realms, a paladin must worship a deity.

The Paladin does not fall simply for being raped by evil beings, even if he comes to enjoy it after a while. That's retarded, and gods are not retarded.

If a DM has to go through mental gymnastics to determine if a Paladin should fall, the answer should be, "no." The gods don't hang out watching their servants with big, shit-eating grins, waiting for the perfect moment to randomly take their powers away and loudly guffaw, "haw, haw! You lied when you told your mother you were thinking of settling down! No I don't care if you did it to make her feel better, you can't fucking lie so enjoy having no powers, mortal! Teach YOU to dedicate your entire life to serving me faithfully!"

>>5957162

Couldn't the paladin Mata Hari himself, trying to get info while still enjoying himself?

>>5957142
Yeah but if you'd been paying attention the details/rules of that setting vary amongst not only the settings internal timeline but the fucking editions of the game.

So we have multiple answers.
1.) He falls when he fails Lawful Good as its champion.
2.) He falls when Torm decides it is so.
3.) He falls when he loses faith.
4.) He falls when his actions shift the balance the wrong way.
5.) Who cares a good DM handles worse because this is a fanboy wankoff in a game we'd be embarrassed to play.

>>5957107

Exactly.

I started to say the same thing you did about paladins earlier in the thread, then I noticed that he was talking about Torm, and remembered what setting Torm was from.

I assumed he was talking 3e because it's harder than that for paladins to fall in 4e and because no one on /tg/ plays 2e.

>>5957185

Depends on how anal his god wants to be. If his god is a big-time "NO DECEPTION YOU MUST CHARGE WHILE YELLING AT ALL TIMES" kind of deity, he might get pissed that his stalwart champion would resort to low cunning and trickery to get information. Most deities would be pretty pumped that he was willing to try to spin any situation for the greater good, though.

This is why in Faerun the variant Paladin you want to play is a Paladin of Ao. You're like Jean Claude Van Damme the Time Cop.

>>5957215
Maybe the god is some kind of warhammer aspie tard who throws a tantrum when one of his models "fails" him in a way and smashes it, even though he's spent hundreds of dollars on it.

"YOU FAILED YOUR ARMOR SAVE FOR THE LAST TIME BANEBLADE!"

Unless he didn't have the skills or really wanted to be a Paladin, he should just become a Black Guard.

>>5957209
Paladins of Faerun (and clerics, druids, rangers...) continue being able to cast spells even if they're not on Faerun at the time. So the idea that they're linked to JUST that world's god is wrong.

>>5957209
No, but I play 1E.

In which case he falls when- and only when- his alignment actually changes.

>>5957130
I appreciate the non-linear thinking, but no, you're still wrong. FR is part of various meta-settings, but these meta-settings are not part of FR, and how things work in Spelljammer or Darksun or Oerth or Oz or Never Never Land has nothing to do with what happens to a paladin of Torm.

You know I think it's worth noting that (in Faerun especially) if you're not down with what the gods are up to, hey, not only the rules but the setting more than allows you to FIGHT THEM AND REPLACE THEM WITH YOURSELF.

"Ao I got a problem with your boy Torm?"
"Ugh how did you get this number. ...Wait where the fuck is Myrkul? Who is this little girl. medamit you guys. I am hitting my Time of Troubles button again. Figure your shit out. *click*"

>>5957315
That reads more as a clarification that the rules of Paladins change between settings, and that all settings have a meta-cosmology that it helps to understand if you want to start arguing shit like alingment.

>>5957267

You do realize that deities aren't usually constrained to remain within the plane of existence their followers inhabit, right? They kind of hang around the planes, being powerful and distant. There's no reason Torm couldn't go, "huh, what the shit is one of my boys doing in Eberron? Well, fuck it, I'll send a little mojo his way so he can figure out how to get back."

>>5957339
Which could be a whole crazy start for a planeswar! Torm is a demigod, he'd be going over a bunch of godheads and elemental laws!

>>5957315

Unless that Paladin of Torm is actually a Spelljammer/Planescape/other metasetting character and he happens to be in Oerth when all this goes down, of course (sorry, I realize re-reading how inconsistent that sounds). And if the DM further doesn't rule that the metaphysics of his home setting travel with him (I have honestly no idea if or how this is addressed in the rulebooks for those settings).

That's a nitch case, however; bringing that up is like starting a thread about what Link would do in a given situation and someone responding "He would just ask Mario or Sonic for help".

>>5956538
>>5956668
MOAR

>>5957375
I'd like to think he would ask Samus.

But really you're touching on something I see as a fundamental misunderstanding/ignorance when we get all these D&D/edition wars threads. Depending on the particular author or edition Faerun DOES tie into other games, and it's hard to break down what is essential "canon" and what isn't.

>>5955042

>>5957419

It still exists as a distinct setting, and it's foolish to assume we are talking about a different/larger setting when someone mentions the 'Realms.

Chiming in to mention that said character -might- actually be a planescaper and thus subject to different rules is okay, sure. But using it to cover your ass because you forgot how paladins work in the 'Realms is 100% bullshittery.

>>5957246

I think this is how most gods are roleplayed by most DMs.

It's a power thing.

>He doesn't have to work and he gets screwed into exhaustion every night by hot dark elf babes.
>He doesn't have to work

This is not a pro to a Paladin. They are keeping him from vanquishing evil, saving world, etc. When he's okay with that, he falls.

>>5957493

Paladins fall for committing evil acts. ACTS.

Christ, it would be so much safer to play a paladin in this world if people actually read the godamn rules once in a while.

The time spent screwing the drow keeps them from killing innocents.

Problem solved.

>>5957519

This was honestly my initial thought.

If they weren't slathering hot elfish lovings all over him, they would be doing something else for entertainment. Like torturing captives, or plotting conquest.

The paladin distracts these villains with his dick, thus saving untold lives.

Here's a question: if the paladin manages to bang the hot drow matron in the ass, does Torm give him respek knuckles?

>>5957539

Yes.

>>5957546

brb, converting to Torm

>>5957539

Torm's knuckles are the size of basketballs and descending mysteriously from off-screen. Paladin returns said knuckles while striking kind of a wryyy-pose with his dick in a drow.

Someone draw it.

>>5957539
If he uses smite evil with his penis, yes.

>>5957468
Well sure. But chill the fuck out and realize "how Paladins work in the 'realms" is not a constant by any means.

Aiding or abetting evil in any way is grounds for falling.

By providing entertainment and comfort to the enemy he is a traitor to the cause of his god.

Unless it's rape, his ass needs an atonement.

>>5957568

"Smite" is a relative term. Maybe he's not dispensing fiery justice, but that paladin sure does have his dick buried in that drow matron's asshole.

And fucking evil in its asshole is the truest sign of a hero.

>>5957590
.. Why am I suddenly remembering the "Pussies, dicks, and assholes" speech from Team America (Fuck Ya!)?

>>5957631
Because you're a fucking idiot who can't tell when even simple minded libertarians are being ironic?

>>5957568

Don't you have to actually attack to smite evil? You can't just, you know, smite while shaking someone's hand, so how could fucking someone be considered an unarmed attack unless your dick was so hard that you could break bones with it?

>>5957585

>by providing entertainment and comfort to the enemy he is a traitor to the cause of his god.

Noble paladin invites evil emperor to a peace meeting. Noble paladin decides to be a good host, and hires musicians and cooks so that he can try to persuade the evil emperor to turn away from his evil ways over a tasty meal, to the accompaniment of soothing music. PALADIN FALLS

>>5957647
Yup, there can be no peace with Evil.

>>5957585

Not supported by the rules as written. Stop imposing your own arbitrary absolutism on a game which already has more than enough absolutes.

And fyi, "you will be tortured and sacrificed if we don't find you fun" is rape by any modern definition, no matter how things actually play out.

>>5957584
Fair enough.

>>5957644

Do the trolls on /tg/ even try anymore? It seems like there are dozens of shitty "you're a stupid faggot you stupid faggot" trolls for each truly inspired or rage-inducing troll.

>>5957658
Actually, that's always been the understanding of how it works. You just don't like it.


I will never understand why neckbeards have so much trouble understanding sticking to a code.

>My paladin fell for setting fire to the innocent puppy orphanage? Fucking gms.

>>5957670
Well you see son, sometimes on the internet when they call you a fucking idiot, it's because you're a fucking idiot. Not because they want a response.

>>5957654

"Kill all the evil, no peace, no redemption" is pretty much exactly opposite to how Paladins work. Paladins can sense Evil, and there are lots of petty evil folks out there - selfish cutpurses, unscrupulous businessmen, oily politicians... by your definition, a paladin's only option - and the only sensible option - would be to walk up and stab them all in the face, regardless of how much social chaos and long-term suffering it would cause.

Here's a question for you: an evil guy surrenders, throwing aside his weapon. Does the paladin let him go, take him prisoner, or execute him? Why?

>>5957644

>>5957647

He is implying that the paladin's cock is a fearsome instrument of righteousness.

>>5954773

What the hell is that?

>>5957699
wait, whats the fuckin point of being a paladin if it isnt? I thought that was their top tier ability?

>>5957697
People who took that fucking 'comedic' rant as the gods honest truth need to be put down like fucking dogs.

>>5957689

0/10

>>5957680

You have no idea how the paladin's code works. Also, comparing being imprisoned as a sex toy and not overly minding it to burning puppies alive is probably the strangest, and silliest, strawman argument I've ever seen.

>>5957680

Quote the part of the code that this paladin would be violating if he enjoyed being raped every night.

Use any edition you like.

>>5957695
How wonderful.

You choose to argue for your point by bringing up examples that are nothing like the first two examples actually being argued.

>>5957722
I don't think he implied that it was the gods-honest truth, any more that he implied "fucking evil in its asshole is the truest sign of a hero" was the gods-honest truth. Furthermore,

u mad?

>>5957722

Nobody took the dicks/pussies/assholes speech as anything remotely close to true. They just thought it was funny like every tired, stupid pop culture reference starts out funny. You sure are angry about a stupid scene from a stupid movie.

>This was going to be a long night.

THE PALADIN IS BDASS OAK

YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

>>5957727
Ok.

# A Paladin cannot associate with any character that persistently commits acts which would cause the Paladin him/herself to Fall - notably Evil creatures.

>>5957724
It wasn't a comparison you simple minded twat.

It was an entirely different use of hyperbole to illustrate how people have taken this paladin falling business to the complete other side of craziness until there's not really anything special about the restrictions to playing one at all.

>>5957739

Examples are an important factor when a sweeping statement is presented as absolute. They help point out that statement's fallacies.

For example, someone says, "there can be no peace with Evil." That's it. Examples or no, he's just presented that as absolute. Why, then, is it unreasonable to point out that there are lots of evil people living within, and contributing to, society, and that waging constant war against them would cause more harm than good?

It was a dumb position justifying an even dumber paladin-falls scenario. I'm just pointing that out.

>>5957779

Doesn't it specify willingly associate?

>>5957779
So being raped by Drow counts as association?

>>5957722
Internet.. Its serious business!


But more on the topic at hand, your paladin shouldn't fall unless he just gives in and lets himself be intoxicated by lust.

For example, all three of the drow women, for whatever reason, are indisposed or gone or what have you, they forgot to lock his cage/collar/hand cuffs, and he has a good chance to get away. If he decides to stay instead for hot sexxorz, then ya' he should fall because he's willingly neglecting his code.

That is my two cents anyway.

>>5957806

>backpedaling and an ad hominem attack

u mad?

>>5957658
I think any serious /tg/ browser or D20 type should know by now that any "absolutism" on this forum is just a trolling attempt.

Unless we're talking about red things going faster.

>>5957809
It does not imply becoming a sociopath, it implies that you never stop working within the law to stop evil.

Aiding, abetting, or in the evil emperor example the appeasing of forces of evil is actively caving in.

>>5957779

There is a problem with your argument. The Paladin is not associating with evil by choice. He's being held captive and threatened with a very painful death if he does not satisfy his captors.

By that definition, any Paladin who falls into the hands of the enemy also Falls.

LALALA, TIME TO DANCE IN THE FOREST

>>5957779

He didn't "associate" with them. He was imprisoned by them.

The code does not say "If forced against his will to associate with evil creatures the paladin must not like it".

The point where the paladin violates the part of the code which you quote is the point where he has a chance to NOT associate with them and chooses to associate with them anyway.

>>5957855
I think the latest incarnation of Torm might prefer his boy takes the painful death. After all, when you know your god is real and heaven's rewards are a definite, grey area decisions become a lot easier.

>>5957813
It doesn't actually, but yes, it would be crazy to force him to fall for unwillingly associating. In this example though, he is not actively seeking escape, and enjoying the "associations" in question.
>>5957826
Where is the backpedaling?
And yes. Very. Frothing. But mostly because you're here and not in /v/ with that tired meme.

>>5957841
>It does not imply becoming a sociopath, it implies that you never stop working within the law to stop evil.

But then you're making compromises to maintain the peace while trying to work against evil. What happens if the law expressly forbids you from taking any further action against, say, an evil businessman? If you accept, you are accepting peace with evil and you (apparently) fall. If you refuse, you are breaking the law, and you presumably fall.

>Aiding, abetting, or in the evil emperor example the appeasing of forces of evil is actively caving in.

So inviting a despot to a conference to try to convince him to turn away from his evil ways and rule justly is "actively caving in" to evil?

Hmmmmm. I take it paladins do not negotiate with terrorists. Oh well, I'm sure those slave-soldiers and indentured peasants won't mind the bloody war that's about to ravage their land and kill them all.

>>5957882
>>5957855
Not seeking escape, ENJOYING SLOTH (nevermind the sex), and enjoying the 'company' of some of the most evil creatures in his setting.

Shit, this wouldn't even be an argument if he was fucking, say bugbears or something. Ya'll just want fictional pussy.

>>5957882
>The code does not say "If forced against his will to associate with evil creatures the paladin must not like it".

Jesus Christ I lol'd

>>5957841

You are the reason why unintelligent or inexperienced players should not be exposed to the alignment rules.

>>5957885

While it doesn't mention he isn't actively seeking escape, I think most of us agree that if he does stop trying, or doesn't take a chance if he got one, he would fall.

Enjoying sex won't make you fall. The point at which he passes up a chance to directly serve his god in favor of sex is the point at which he starts to fall. So, let's say the youngest daughter starts to fall for him and asks him about Torm, if he chooses to just ignore it and bang her instead of helping her, possibly converting her to good, Torm looks down on that. Remember, Torm is a god of duty.

>>5957908
>Not seeking escape

Show me where the OP says this.

Also, a paladin can enjoy whatever he fucking wants as long as he doesn't actively do anything evil. If he gets raped by fucking Lolth, it's his prerogative to have a smoke and sigh contentedly afterward. He didn't seek the drow out, they captured and enslaved him. The fact that he has a particular set of feelings on the matter changes nothing.

>>5957908
1.) No one ever said he wasn't trying to escape. In fact, what most of us are saying is that he falls the second he fails to make a reasonable (read: sane) effort to escape.
2.) There are no rules saying what the paladin can or cannot enjoy. The rules also never mention sloth. You're making this shit up.

Here's an additional complication you can throw in. What if the Paladin in question is MARRIED?

>>5957908
We don't know if the Paladin isn't looking for a way to escape. What we do know is that he is sexed into exhaustion every night.
Maybe..you know, he has no time or is kept constantly chained or something.

>>5957891
Your first argument is ill defined. If it is considered a just law by his god, he can work around it through other means. If it is a law that simply says, ignore this evil, it is an unjust law and he can ignore it.

There is no complicated contradictions here.

Yes, in the land of D&D with a paladin of Torm, there is no grey area with the emperor. If he is big E Evil, then there can be no peace save that of absolute surrender.

If the peasants suffer, that is on the emperor and their own souls, not the paladin.

Paladins do not compromise. That's the point.

>>5957946

Makes no difference, except that he'd probably feel more guilty about the whole thing. He's being raped, dude. It's not like having a wedding ring suddenly causes that to be a mortal sin.

>>5957946

It doesn't affect the moral metaphysics at play one bit, I think. But it is going to fuck with his head.

>>5957957
>Paladins do not compromise. That's the point.

No it isn't. Any remotely reasonable person can see that the absolute refusal to compromise leads to far greater evil and suffering than a reasoned, pragmatic approach to one's problems. If the evil emperor isn't going to surrender and your options are either, "negotiate with, talk down, and gradually reform the emperor, and create a just society over time," and, "swing sword at emperor, start war, millions die, empire becomes dystopian hell due to resource drain and civil infighting," and you choose the latter, you are literally the worst paladin ever and your god will cause you to fall so hard that you break the sound barrier.

>>5957945
The rules also never mention skinning a mother of three, wearing said skin as a costume, and then raping the children mercilessly while shouting "MY PALADIN IS BASED OFF OF FATAL".

Yet we assume that these acts which are commonly viewed as "wrong" (to different degrees) are against a paladins code.

>>5957957

Hiring minstrels for your meeting with the emperor is not "compromising to evil".

It is an act which will benefit an evil creature, but it is not an act which will further the cause of Cosmic Evil in ANY way, shape or form.

Your views are stupid and are not supported by the rules as written. Crawl into a bag of shit and zip it up behind you.

If this shit is in your game, you fall as a DM long before the paladin ever does.

>>5957950

Well, he's not inclined to look for a way to escape. After all, "he's starting to like this arrangement." So that would imply a desire to stay with the four drow ladies and get hot sexings.

The majority are correct that he falls if he ACTS on this desire. IE everything from passing up opportunities to escape in favor of more hot dickings to full fledged pledging himself to Lolth and becoming a Blackguard.

>>5957997

Now explain how being enslaved, or secretly coming to enjoy sexual bondage, is morally wrong. Go ahead, I'm curious to see how you manage to come out of this one without shoving your foot so far into your mouth that you get athlete's asshole.

>>5958014

What about anonymous RPs on the internet?

>>5957508
You're probably long gone, but his act is allowing evil to continue and not doing anything about it. What kind of god imbues a paladin with powers and just lets him sit on his ass.

>>5957993
Or a God would be more pissed about giving legitimacy to an evil fuck who would use the bargaining time you gave him while you were dickering when you should have been smiting to expand his empire and began a war of conquest so vast and evil it envelopes the globe.

Coming up with bullshit outcomes to silly examples sure is fun isn't it?

You're not a paladin. You are not just. You're neither! You're an errand boy sent by grocery clerks....to collect a bill.

>>5957997

From the srd:
" "Evil" implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. "

What you describe is an evil act by this definition.

Enjoying your servitude as a sex slave of vile humanoids (but still trying to escape) is not an evil act by this definition.

Despite how vague the core definition of "evil" is, these are two examples where there is no wiggle room either way. This is not a complicated discussion. You're just wrong.

>>5958031

What about them?

>>5958033

So, getting enslaved and chained to a wall, then developing a guilty enjoyment of one's regular sexual exploitation, is exactly the same as hanging around in a tavern and banging whores all day?

>>5958052
I thought Drow women liked to be on top.

>>5957585
>Unless it's rape, his ass needs an atonement.

That's exactly it; the Paladin of Torm was captured and is unwillingly being turned toward a "life" of depravity by his Drow captors. He falls when he completely submits to the entirety of the Drows' perverted will, therein turning him away from his god altogether (and only if he so chooses or is forced). He only falls when his last shreds of the value of righteousness are torn away from him in this case.

On the other hand, he can keep progressing as a Paladin and turn the matron of the four women into his "Special Mount" at Level 5, if you know what I mean. If that's not "righteous" in every sense of the word, I don't know what is.

This actually brings up a story from my own adventures in an AIM-based game of D&D with friends.

>>5958053
I stated, when he becomes okay with the way things are. Not the fact that he happens to like his dick being in a vagina all day.

>>5958048

I've played shit like this out with persons claiming to be females.

It was fun.

>>5958045

Not fighting the sex every step of the way is helping evil by not actively fighting it when you can.

>>5958011
Fuck you too. You don't want a interesting class with certain rp restrictions and visible goals, you want another fucking munchkin tool to fuck around with the dms game.

>>5958043

>Or a God would be more pissed about giving legitimacy to an evil fuck

This is nonsense. Inviting a tyrant to talk about how wrong he is and how he should be nicer to his people is the farthest possible thing from legitimization.

>who would use the bargaining time you gave him while you were dickering when you should have been smiting to expand his empire and began a war of conquest so vast and evil it envelopes the globe.

Yes, because a single day's heated discussion is sufficient to raise an army, complete a giant evil ritual, and subjugate everyone everywhere.

>Coming up with bullshit outcomes to silly examples sure is fun isn't it?

Oh, I get it. You don't have a logical or reasonable answer so you've resorted to childish bickering.

>You're not a paladin. You are not just. You're neither! You're an errand boy sent by grocery clerks....to collect a bill.

What the fuck are you talking about? Is this supposed to be an insult?

>>5958070
Red-headed centaur paladin of Sune as a mount?

>>5958077

Kern always has, and always will be, a titanic pussy when it comes to these things.

I still fondly remember the tentacle porn picture he had drawn, posted, and then only to be followed by a huge rant on morality about choices and... not chosing to vote for tentacle porn.

Someone who has a screenshot of that should post it.

Lets put it another way then.

The drow physically force him to operate guillotines on a national enemy. The moment he enjoys that act, is the moment he falls and is culpable whether or not he had physical control at the time.

>>5958089
>Not fighting the sex every step of the way is helping evil by not actively fighting it when you can.

Not it isn't. Giving an evil person orgasms is not the same thing as helping Evil.

Likewise, being a stubborn ass and getting himself sacrificed would not so much as inconvenience Cosmic Evil. In fact it would probably help it.

Your position is indefensible. Fuck yourself in the ass with a sock full of molerats.

>>5958089

>Not fighting the sex every step of the way is helping evil by not actively fighting it when you can.

How the hell are you supposed to fight the drow when you're tied down? Are you suggesting that yelling a lot and being a nuisance so that they enjoy raping you slightly less (or possibly more) somehow damages their attempts to spread their influence and do evil deeds?

>Fuck you too. You don't want a interesting class with certain rp restrictions and visible goals, you want another fucking munchkin tool to fuck around with the dms game.

Oh I get it, you're an embittered grognard who hates it when people play D&D without the proper Gygaxian level of DM dickery.

This thread needs more drow porn.

>>5958113
Willingly providing aid or comfort to evil, even through an orgasm is, guess what, giving fucking aid or comfort to evil.


You want nothing more than to satisfy a sad sad fetish, you pathetic sack of shit.

>220 posts and 22 image replies

>>5958053
It's totality of your actions and their end results. What you are up to internally is of no consequence to either the elemental cosmology that defines "Lawful" and "Good" or Torm. Unless you feel like shooting him a message and letting him know what's up, how you feel, and that you are not sure how to proceed. And you know what? THIS IS FAERUN, DUDE CAN ANSWER YOU.

Sitting around and banging whores all day is all well and fine as long as you are supporting the "Lawful" system the Pimps&Hoes exchange puts forward.

>>5958121

I think he's more likely a fledgling, honestly.

New players use alignment as an excuse for shallow characters and stupid behavior. As time progresses, they either learn to handle it as it was intended or they (wrongly) decide that alignment is dumb and start playing without it.

Most of the time, at least. I could be wrong. Some people just never smarten up.

>>5958113
Not the guy you responded to, and I agree that you don't need to fight it every step of the way. A paladin would need to be TRYING to escape though, whether that's through scheming, waiting for the right moment, or physically resisting he has to WANT to leave.

When he stops opposing evil, he becomes neutral at the very least.

>>5958121
Yes.

Every little bit to fight evil is what a paladin should do, even if it's pedantic by that point.

And you want to turn all gaming into bizarre wow style wankfests.

>>5958142

True. However, I fail to see how providing an orgasm unwillingly under the threat of horrible torture and death constitutes aiding the enemy.

Let's change the situation around. A female paladin falls into the hands of a tribe of orcs. The chieftan rapes her, does she fall for giving him an orgasm because he's evil?

>>5958167
No see it's not "fighting evil," it's "Champion of Law and Good." Fighting evil is a component but the _bottom line_ is to champion law and good.

>>5958172
It is strongly implied in the op, by the paladins enjoyment, that at some point, he's not exactly unwilling.

>>5958142

Evil creatures =/= evil itself.

Helping an evil creature is not evil unless you are helping them in such a way as to empower them to perform further Evil.

Fucking the socks off of these drow bitches does NOTHING to empower them to commit further evil, unless there's some sort of screwy orgasm-fueled spellcasting at work.

Much like the example with the emperor and the minstrels, what it does is endear them to the paladin without encouraging or enabling their evil in any way.

>>5958156
God forbid people play paladins, like, ya know, paladins, and not just hybrid class #342 in a generic wackfest.

>>5958146
>It's totality of your actions and their end results. What you are up to internally is of no consequence to either the elemental cosmology that defines "Lawful" and "Good" or Torm. Unless you feel like shooting him a message and letting him know what's up, how you feel, and that you are not sure how to proceed. And you know what? THIS IS FAERUN, DUDE CAN ANSWER YOU.

None of this changes the fact that you are imprisoned, enslaved, and powerless, and that Torm would have to be a grade A piece of shit to doubt your faith under those circumstances, let alone consider stripping you of your powers.

>Sitting around and banging whores all day is all well and fine as long as you are supporting the "Lawful" system the Pimps&Hoes exchange puts forward.

Wait, you're not the same guy that argued that "anytime you're not actively attacking evil as hard as possible you're helping them," are you? Are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? I can't tell. For reference, I was being sarcastic with the guy to point out how retarded he was being.

>>5958142

>Willingly providing aid or comfort to evil, even through an orgasm is, guess what, giving fucking aid or comfort to evil.

The phrase "giving aid and comfort to the enemy" generally refers to giving them medical care, and is a relatively recent invention. It's a nationalistic concept, not a moral one. You are retarded.

>You want nothing more than to satisfy a sad sad fetish, you pathetic sack of shit.

If I wanted to satisfy a fetish, I'm sure I could find much better ways to do that than by trying to explain that being in the same room as an evil person without trying to rip his face off isn't an evil deed.

contributing dark elf pronz

>>5958172

...knowing this board, I think I know how people will answer that question.

COCKBLOCK

>>5958193
Sex, in addition to being very fun, can calm ones nerves, provide a clear head, and provide intimacy, even if insincere.

Also, since this is the Drow, them having some sort of bizarre half breed child to enslave and turn into a horrible monster isn't out of the question.

>>5958167
>>5958156
>And you want to turn all gaming into bizarre wow style wankfests.
>God forbid people play paladins, like, ya know, paladins, and not just hybrid class #342 in a generic wackfest.
>wow
>hybrid class

Oh, an angry edition warrior trolling to get his frustrations out. How adorable.

>>5958180

There is no debate here, and there is also no debate that he will -eventually- fall if things keep going like this because he will stop trying to escape.

What some people are saying is that he falls instantly as soon as he starts to enjoy himself or cooperate, regardless of circumstances, and regardless of whether or not he is able to make any meaningful effort at escape.

I once had a paladin fall because I cure wounds on a dying mutilated orc child chained in the dungeon of an evil wizard. DM said I helped an evil creature.

After that my paladins were all clerics who called themselves paladins.

>>5958109
I'd like a response to this.

How is his enjoyment of an evil act any different, aside from being (hopefully) less sexy?

>Sex, in addition to being very fun

Not really. I think you may not experience sex all that often.

>>5958172
>The chieftan rapes her, does she fall for giving him an orgasm because he's evil

Duh, because during the rape she discovers she's actually a sex-crazed whore that gets off on being violated repeatedly by cocks a size category larger than she's used to. She abandons her god and church to be the tribal slut of the Orc Clan and lives happily ever after.

I mean..that's how things like this work right?

>>5958231
I once made up a bullshit story on the internet.
Then I fell as a paladin.

>>5954520

God bless the spambot.

>>5958240
You really find it hard to believe that he played with a DM that was a douchebag?

>>5958251
Yes.
Yes I do.
If somebody did shit like that, then you walk away, you don't keep playing with that group.

>>5958221
Bitchy drow do more evil than content drow. This is a very, very weak case; in fact it's more likely to turn against you than for.

The half-drow-bastard is actually an interesting and valid point. However, I'm inclined to say that if they want his seed, they're going to get it, and there are no meaningful efforts he can take to hinder that process (short of stealing a Wand of Shield Womb and sending their godamn ovaries to the Demonweb Pits).

>>5958221

Those are all straining the bounds of credibility quite a bit. That's like saying that fighting honorably against an evil creature is helping it, because you're not depriving it of any dirty tricks it could use.

I might like eating good food but I don't like being force fed, even if it does taste nice.

NEW scenario!

A paladin goes to sleep after 18 hours of fighting evil. He is loathe to admit it, but he enjoys resting when very tired.
Additionally, he's cursed to be assraped by the BBEG without it waking him up whenever he sleeps.

Does the paladin fall for not staying awake 24 hours to battle evil until he dies from exhaustion?

>>5958238

Methinks thou hath watched too much hentai.

>>5958237
Then you're doing something wrong.
Seriously, just what the hell?

The paladin should convert to Suni and enjoy the hot dicking.

>>5958259

I'm guessing you've never lived in a small town with only one gaming group in the area, which happens to be organized by a shitty DM.

>>5958270
>Does the paladin fall for not staying awake 24 hours to battle evil until he dies from exhaustion?

Obviously. If the paladin willingly ceases his vigilance and allows evil to go unchecked, even for a single night, he has failed in his duty and falls immediately.

>>5958286
I have.
He was the sort that had more powerful dmpcs in greater numbers than the pcs.
I simply offered to take over one day and the group agreed.

>>5958109

I commend you for taking the sex out of the issue and simplifying it a bit, but I don't think that's any different. He would fall at the point where he has a chance to save someone/delay an execution/otherwise meaningfully hinder the forces of good and fails to do so.

If your example IS different, it's because your paladin is being forced to commit an actual evil act, while the sex-slave paladin isn't (he's being forced to do something which his code would normally prohibit [were it up to him], but which isn't evil in itself).

>>5958278
Well ME thinks you haven't watched enough.

>>5958303

It's good to hear that you salvaged the situation, but not everyone has the opportunity to do that. The solution to a DM making a single shitty call is not to pack up your stuff and say, "well, that's that, I guess I'm never playing D&D in this town again!"

>>5958308
>meaningfully hinder the forces of evil

>>5958201

Yo, >>5958146 here. Oh no, I am totally agreeing. Torm would absolutely be a piece of shit to do that, and I guess really my point is that (especially in this setting) a lot of this can be addressed directly to the DM as Torm is an active participant in the Paladins oath.

No I was not that other guy arguing, I was just joking around about how "Evil =/= evil drow chick" (Which someone else got into above this post) and that we are talking about these concepts with capital letters when it comes to breaking oaths. Essentially that "Law" supports constructed systems, even prostitution, whereas the "law" may not.

This thread is like a train wreck that never stops.

And I love it.

>>5958308
Well the example is meant to be the same thing, but I think the crux of the issue is that I find enjoyment and non resistance of sex, with mass murdering rapists, to be, well, evil.

Alright, so only idiots think that being FORCED to do something makes you fall. Lets move on.

Does he fall when
[ ]He enjoys the sex
[ ]Enjoys the sex as much as purging evil from the world
[ ]Stops resisting
[ ]Stops looking for opportunities to escape
[ ]Would only go back to purging evil if they let him go willingly.
[ ]Would only go back to purging if they forced him to leave.

>>5958345

I think you've hit on one of the biggest problems with the alignment system.

People don't care what the rulebooks actually say. If they think something is evil, they'll call it Evil in D&D. Not only that, but they'll do so somehow thinking that the rules are supporting them.

This leads to all manner of bullshittery, online and off.

>>5958354
I don't think anybody in this thread claimed that being forced made him fall.

[X ]He enjoys the sex
[X ]Enjoys the sex as much as purging evil from the world
[X ]Stops resisting
[X ]Stops looking for opportunities to escape
[X ]Would only go back to purging evil if they let him go willingly.
[X ]Would only go back to purging if they forced him to leave.

>>5958354
He falls when

[ ]He enjoys the sex
[ ]Enjoys the sex as much as purging evil from the world
[ ]Stops resisting (as long as he keeps actively looking for a way to escape, or defeat them should the opportunity arise, it's fine for him to let them think they've broken him)
[X]Stops looking for opportunities to escape
[X]Would only go back to purging evil if they let him go willingly.
[X]Would only go back to purging if they forced him to leave.

>>5958401
>>
[ ]He enjoys the sex
[ ]Enjoys the sex as much as purging evil from the world
[ ]Stops resisting (as long as he keeps actively looking for a way to escape, or defeat them should the opportunity arise, it's fine for him to let them think they've broken him)
[X]Stops looking for opportunities to escape
[X]Would only go back to purging evil if they let him go willingly.
[X]Would only go back to purging if they forced him to leave.
Have to agree. Not resisting the sex isn't nearly bad enough to cause a paladin to fall from grace.

>>5958345

Except that what you define as evil by modern laws, your upbringing, and whatever other lens you apply is not the cosmological capital E elemental "Evil" that Paladins are directly opposed to by a magical "charge" that they draw from another dimension.

>>5958401

This.

There's some fucker in this thread who's been hiveminding me for the last hour, because I was just in the middle of typing a similar post, with an astericks in the "Stops resisting" box.

>>5958172

I really don't think you can directly compare the two situations.

The paladin in OP's example is a man and what red-blooded male hasn't fantasized about an aggressive, sexy woman? Let alone four of them, at the same time. Honestly, if this happened to you would you consider it rape? Wouldn't you like it just a little?

>>5958434
Horseshit.

D&D is completely based on a western liberal modern philosophical sense of right and wrong.

>>5958105
Never quite understood that mentality.

"Vote for what happens next in my drow porn comic plz!"

(voters inevitably vote for hot drow sexings)

"ARRRGH WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT I HATE YOU INTERNET I'MA PRETEND YOU ALL PICKED SOMETHING COMPLETEY INNOCENT INSTEAD"

>>5958434

This is true, but I don't think you should be trivializing that poster's views as 'subjective'.

If anything its the other way around. D&D is a god damned game, and the moral metaphysics which they define for their reality do not have to match up with your own, serious, real-world morals.

Half of the shit in D&D alignments is defined the way it is for ease of play; for instance, the reason we don't nail players for thoughtcrime in D&D is because it is both difficult and unfun to police a character's inner feelings at the table. Hence, we judge by actions, not by thoughts.

This thread was good.

Then it turned into paladin dickery.

But anon saved it with hawt xxx pics.

Well done, internet.

>>5958451
Except we all know there's no absolutist answer here, and that you know as well as I do that the big "E" changes not only by edition but by whatever author is penning it.

You want to go back to the alingment base, the Vancian, because that's so "Western Liberal" it's actually... just the Arabian Nights with some fancy laser wands and is already batshit enough.

>>5958466

I read the "you" in this to mean the Character/Paladin and not the actual, like, /tg/ poster making the post.

>>5958520

You might be right, but the dude he was responding to was talking about his own opinions, not the opinions of any character.

>>5954268

I love you /tg/

Time to switch patron's to Sune.
She supports conversion thru sex if I recall my realms mythology.

Someone screencap this thread.

>>5958619

If I'm going to be honest with myself, I loved every minute of this thread.

Even the drow smut. Even the paladin bullshit. Even the drow smut. Even the metaphysics hurf-durfitry. But especially the drow smut.

This is half of what /tg/ is about to me.

>>5958683
>>especially the drow smut.
Especially the drow smut. <3

So in the greater beyond-Faerun cosmology where does "Dark Elf Smut" align?

It's easily Good.
...Note the capital G.

>>5958711

Fabulous Badass.

>>5958246

DrowTales has a stupid ass creator and a dumb as shit voting system, but damn do I like their artist

>>5958492
You're welcome!

>>5955981

Also, this exchange made me laugh pretty hard.

I still want to see drawfaggotry of a paladin being granted respek knuckles by Torm while courageously attacking a drow matron's anus with his Holy Avenger. The mental image is way too awesome to pass up, especially when I try to visualize the paladin's expression as he receives the brofist.

"This... this is what I have trained for all my life. This makes it all worthwhile."

>>5958492

So when do we get the fapfic storyfag version?

Archived, hope nobody minds.

>>5959730
suptg right?

>>5958466
Does that posters view have multiple elemental energy planes behind him that let him pew pew golden light out of his eyeballs though?

>>5958703
drow smut makes life worth living

>>5959746
Eyeballs are dimensional pockets.

>>5959620
I'm going to third this even though I'm the one who firsted it.

rolled 74 = 74

>>5959843

indeed