Need a medic?

>>Secret Pyro

Sounds like a job for either a Dragonfire Adept from Dragon Magic (great class, especially with the Entangling Exhalation feat from Races of the Dragon), or an arcane caster with the Firey Burst feat.

Either way, you get unlimited at-will fire. I'm about to play a Dragonfire Adept refluffed as a Warlock, shit's going to be cash.

I wish to play Spy(rogue w/disguise) or Scout(scout with scout), where do you live and how soon do you play?

>>6163128

Oh, and here you go.

>>6163139
The spy should really be a Changeling or Doppleganger.

>Keen
>crossbow

Wait, whut?

>>6163159
W/ extra ranks in disguise. But yes. I support this plan.

>>6163161
Keen bolts I suppose.

Remember to carry a healthy supply of sanviches at all times.

"I am full of sanvich and I am comming for YOU!"

>>6163100
>http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3XFHBDKL
>Revised Paladin

Thank god! I've been looking for the PDF version of 4ngel's Revised Paladin for-fucking-ever.

You, sir, get your Paladin-type images.

So, you're a big stone man with a big-ass crossbow?

.....Dat soun's fun.

>>6163248

>>6163274

>>6163304

>>6163336

>>6163222
>>6163100
Keen can only be added to slashing weapons.

>>6163373
You can have slashing arrows though.

>>6163381
Arrows are considered piercing. All of them. Unless you get some really weird ones from some obscure splat book.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/magicWeapons.htm#keen

Man, good thing bolts and arrows are piercing, ya know?

>>6163248

He pulled his version of the pdf. I made this one myself from the WotC board post. Did he get super butthurt over something and stop making D&D stuff? Shame, that.

>>6163373
As far as I remember, there's a crit-range-doubling enchantment for every damage type as a +1 modifier in one book or another. /shrug

>>6163373
Keen can be applied to slashing or piercing, and a crossbow technically deals piercing damage, making it an acceptable candidate (as long as you don't use blunt-tipped bolts for some reason).

>>6163546
or incendiary bolts !_!

>>6163508
>Did he get super butthurt over something and stop making D&D stuff? Shame, that.

IIRC he got banned for "inciting arguments" or some shit where the person he was replying to & what he said had nothing to do with the argument. I think everyone was banned in that thread actually. Took them for-fucking-ever to unban him & by then he pretty much said "Fuck this shit & it's den of mouth-breathing failures of Admins".

Or something like that. I hear he posts again or was before the forums were fucked by WotC in what they called an "upgrade".

>>6163400
Races of the Wild is hardly obscure. Arms and Equipment Manual has some slashing arrows too I think, and it's pretty well known.

>>6163577
Shame about that forum upgrade. A lot of optimization info and cool tricks were lost to the general public at that point.

Are there any other feats besides Rapidshot and Manyshot I can get to spray a bajillion crossbow bolts downrange? I've never really played an archer-type, and I don't know any tricks to make it work with a paladin, revised or not.

Paging Touhou?

>>6163577

I remember reading the original revised paladin thread and rolling my eyes so hard they nearly fell out of my skull when he got all Rhetoric and Argumentation 400 on a dude who basically kept posting "lol ur pally is like WoW it has auras".

Motherfucker came down on him in post after post with the shining, razored tongue of Diogenes, but it was like trying to punch a cloud. The other guy was either trolling the everloving shit out him or was just really that dense. Thread blossomed into dozens of pages of crap, content was lost in the shuffle.

>>6163546
Either way, there's a keen equivalent for all three physical damage types.

>>6163587
Crossbows aren't exactly made for rapid-fire purposes, unless you get it enchanted. Hold on, I'll look it up.

>>6163139

Uh, we're in central PA. I mean... I guess you could play? I don't think it'd be worth hauling ass for hours just to make TF2/D&D crossover jokes.

>>6163666

The idea I had was that, since the repeating function is ostensibly a Craft check away from being added on to any crossbow (maybe as a masterwork component at best), it'd be even simpler to make a repeating crossbow bolt magazine with more than 5 bolts in it. I think going belt-fed is a bit much unless the campaign supports that levels of dickery, but considering the fact that, as a large weapon it'll basically be firing shortspears, a spring-loaded or gravity-powered bolt holder could work.

Or I could just say fuck it and drop the cash for a wondrous item that can use a spell like minor creation or the psionic power Bolt to stop worrying about ammo for under 2,000 gp.

Wouldn't a warlock work well for the Pyro? I'm not sure if you can have it by level 3 though.

>>6163726
>>6163620

The Splitting enhancement is key here. Takes your one arrow and turns it into more than one arrow.

+5 damage against BABIES

>>6163764
There's also an enhancement that gives you an extradimensional space that holds a certain number of bolts. It's specific to crossbows, too.

Problem though, is that it's, memory serving, worth +2. Should I go look, or would it be worth it?

>>6163830

Nah. Another +2 to a weapon would be nowhere near as cheap as making an item that uses Bolt, a level 1 power, at will. You could probably stat it out as a weapon crystal or something.

>>6163764

Where's Splitting from?

>>6163788
Babies needs to be defined as anyone smaller than you, make sure you play a large character. half giant/ogre if you can swing it.

>>6163830
Rapid Reload. Light crossbows take a free action, heavy crossbows take a move action. You've got space for 100 extra bolts, and it only costs a +1.
However, I don't remember what book it's from.

>>6163858

Champions of Ruin, an FR book.

Splitting
Any missile fired from a splitting weapon, or an arrow or bolt enchanted with the splitting ability, breaks into two identical missiles before striking the intended target.

Description: V-shaped engravings adorn a splitting weapon or splitting ammunition.

Only functions if the wielder has Precise Shot.

Any arrow/bolt fired from a splitting weapon splits into two missile in mid-flight. Bother are identical, sharing the nonsplitting properties of the original missile. Both strike the same target. Roll a separate attack roll for each missile.

Price: +3 bonus


Good lord, double your attacks per round with a ranged weapon for as cheap as a +4 weapon.

>>6163981
Then again, the Arrowsplit spell from the same book is a 3rd level Assassin, Ranger, and Justice of Weald and Woe (wtf) spell:

Arrowsplit
Conjuration (Creation)
Level: Assassin 3, Ranger 3, and Justice of Weald and Woe 3
Components: V, M
Casting Time: 1 swift action
Range: Touch
Target: One masterwork arrow or bolt
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: None
Spell Resistance: Yes

This spell is cast upon a masterwork arrow or bolt, causing it to split in mid-flight into 1d4+1 identical masterwork arrows or bolts. All the missiles strike the same target, and you must make a separate attack roll for each missile. The arrow or bolt must be fired during the same round the spell is cast, or the magic dissipates and is lost. The projectile is destroyed even if it misses its target.
Material Component: Masterwork arrow or bolt.

>>6164033
So... Gloves of Arrowsplit?

ENTIRE PARTY IS BABIES!!

>>6164033

This can be applied as a use-activated item taking up an item slot for 6,000gp, twice that if you don't want it to take up a slot. How do you price a weapon crystal?

>>6164206
I guess like a wondrous item that doesn't take a slot? First time i heard of them.

+1 keen Splitting large repeating great crossbow: 50,450gp
If you can finagle "mighty" out of that, that's another 100gp per point of strength bonus applicable. Let's say +5, because that's easy enough to get.

Damage: 3d8+6, 15-20/x2, 120ft, 14lbs.

At 20th level with a Dex of 20, Rapid Shot, Improved Rapid Shot (Complete Warrior), the Gloves of Arrowsplit (and assuming a modified roll of 3 on the 1d4+1) and firing masterwork bolts, that would be at the very least +26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+26/+21/+21/+21/+21/+21/+21/+21/+21/+16/
+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+16/+11/+11/+11/+11/+11/+11/+11/+11

40 attacks.

With the possibility of another 10 attacks if the dice max out.

At 3d8+6 per bolt, and assuming that 30% of the attacks crit (15-20/x2), that's an average of 1,014 damage.

Jesus fucking christ what did I do

>>6164358
"What did you do?"

NOW IS COWARD KILLING TIME!

>>6164358
I'm pretty sure you can only use Arrowsplit on the first arrow though. Also you'd probably get 1d4+2 extra bolts out of each one, not 2d4+2, but that's the kind of thing that causes arguments with the DM.

>>>>6164358

Figure out what happens when you use some enchanted crossbow bolts

That still works out to about 25 attacks.

>>6164537
That would actually dick you over, as Arrowsplit (the spell) only works on masterwork bolts. The extra damage you'd get from enchanting the bolt would be paltry compared to what you'd be losing from the extra 1d4+1 bolts it would have split to.

>>6164358

I don't know what you did, but there's not enough Dakka

>>6164555
Oh.
Dang.
I was thinking of maybe having some different elemental effects on the bolts and mixing them together. But nevermind.

>>6164555
Are you sure? Enchanting weapons requires the weapon to be masterwork, so the bolts would need to be.

>>6164624
I figured "magic" trumped "masterwork".

Also, this might be totally off. How often in a round can a use-activated item go off, even if the spell attached to the item activation takes a swift action to cast?

Not to shit on the parade, but I'm going to have to agree with the grea/tg/uys proven wrong about crossbows being able to be keened. Not because their piercing but because they're a ranged weapon.

While the Keen description doesn't have an explicit ranged/melee/whatever qualifier, like say Returning or Seeking does, it is explicitly not on the Ranged Weapon Special Abilities table.

Is there some errata or loophole somewhere I'm not aware of?

>>6164662

No, but it makes sense. You're not one of the sort that thinks a logical ending to an infinite damage chain is to drown yourself in a bucket of water to "set your hit points to zero", are you?

>>6164662

An arrow can be used as a melee weapon at -4 to hit, 1d4 damage.

KEEN IT

>>6164776
You would be correct. Pic related: it's how I feel about the character optimization boards.

Now as much as I myself would like to have a Keen bow/crossbow/musket/what-have-you, or a Seeking longspear or Ghost-touch whip for that matter, I just chalk it up to some sort of lolgamebalance and forget about it.

If only this thread's heavy could get Vicious. That's some guaranteed campaign-wide, single player burst-dps right there.

>>6164936
Disregard that; I was thinking of those fucked up 3.0e ranged whips.

When I'm not choking on rules, I'm choking on cocks.

>>6164648
You only have one Swift action per round, so just once. Also i'm not sure if 3.5 had any specific rules about using a Move Action to make a Swift Action for spellcasting, but then you'd only get one attack and couldn't use Rapid Shot.

>>6165025
The duration is instantaneous.
Just pay some wizard to spend a month casting it on a fuckload of bolts.

>>6165051
fuck nevermind, i missed that line in the spell.

>>6165051
At first I thought that, for the same price, you could just use the item during downtime, but then I saw

>>The arrow or bolt must be fired during the same round the spell is cast, or the magic dissipates and is lost.

>>6165140
That's still up to 19 attacks in a single round.

4 base, +1 rapid shot (what does improved do?), x2, +1d4+1 = 11-15

Does Improved Rapid Shot give one extra attack at each bonus or something like that? If it was that it'd be 8x2+1d4+1 = 17-21

>>6165236

4 from base.
+1 from rapid shot (5)
Improved rapid shot removes the -2 penalty to all the rest of the shots.
Five shots becomes ten from the weapon enchantment.
The first two of those ten shots (because the first two shots were originally one bolt) becomes 2d4+2 shots.
9+2d4+2 = 12-17.

Huh. Dunno where 19 came from.

I'll admit I'm no optimizer, but why not get returning for a number of bolts and have it set to return back into the repeater. That way you'd never have to reload.

>>6165535
But then you wouldn't have a field of bolt-riddle corpses.

Come on. We have STANDARDS to maintain.

>>6165841
There is that.

>>6165841
>>6166043
Magical drum magazine of infinite bolts.

>>6165535
A marvelous idea!

Now if only ammunition didn't automatically break when it hits a target, it might actually be viable.

(Though this seems like BS. You're telling me ironwood or adamantine bolts break when fired?)

>>6166269
Magic projectiles have a 50% chance of being salvageable. Projectiles of other hardnesses are dealt the damage they inflict to determine if they break or not.

I know the first part is right, but I'm only barely remembering the second part. It makes sense, though.

>>6166340
Projectiles that miss have a recovery rate. In any case, firing them uses up any magical ability. Additionally, they no longer count as masterwork after being recovered.
Still, if you are in a situation where you actually need to recover missed arrows because you're that low, then it could be useful.

You can also add Speed. It's only one extra attack, but if rapid fire is what you're going for...

Also, you could probably arrange something with your DM to get storable splitting arrows, so long as you pay out the ass (it costs $400000 to fire this gun for 12 seconds).

Arrow Storm might be worth looking at, though that's more hitting everything around you instead of a line of death

>>6166500
350 gp for every fifty bolts(7 gp a piece). Each bolt of which splits at no additional cost.

Six base attacks(with the mentioned Speed enhancement) times 7 gp a piece and for two rounds is 84 gp. If you were counting each additional("free") bolt, maybe.

As far as the storable splitting bolts, they'd be 750 gp a piece(3[spell level]x5[caster level; assassin]x50[single-use]). And they'd split into an additional 1d4+1 bolts. One bolt splits into two bolts, which each split into 1d4+1 bolts, each of which splits into another 1d4+1 bolts.

Fuck math. Too many attack rolls. You point, pull trigger, is dead.

>>6166936
Okay, maybe not fuck math. My brain grabbed onto it, it comes out to, for one shot, 24.5 attack rolls. With six shots that comes to 147 bolts in six seconds. Twelve seconds of devoted fire, two full round full attacks, comes out to 294 bolts.

Each one that hits deals 3d8+6 damage and has a 30% chance to be a critical hit(keen, according to the example above, gives it a critical range of 15-20).

12 of these bolts would cost 9,000 gp.

This is, of course, assuming that the DM allows you to use the magic bolt, which is required to be masterwork to even become magic in the first place, in place of the masterwork bolt.

>>6167128
It costs 220,500 gold pieces to fire this crossbow for 12 seconds.

NOW DAT'S DAKKA!

>>6163269
I, too, am getting distinct "Detritus? Open This Door." vibes from this idea.

>>6167128
That's actually close the Heavy's actual rate of fire.

>>6167242
FUND IT

You should also take the slow flaw, halving your movement but making your character all the more heavylicious.

And hey, you'll get an extra feat out of it.

>>6166936
>>6167128

>>One bolt splits into two bolts, which each split into 1d4+1 bolts, each of which splits into another 1d4+1 bolts.

I think you're making the same mistake I originally made. The use-activated item can only activate once a round. Otherwise, you could make the use trigger "when I blink" and the spell as "quickened enlarged maximized empowered circle of death" and lay waste to cities by fluttering your eyelashes at the pretty passing milkmaids.

I believe the recursive bolt multiplication loop ends after the first 1d4+1 split. One bolt becomes two bolts, and each of those two bolts becomes 1d4+1 bolts for a total of 4-10 bolts on the first shot and two bolts for every shot after that. For five attacks, that still leaves a range of 12-18 shots in a full attack.

>>6168645
The DM said I could roll for stats (even after I offered to do point buy), and I lament this - he'll never believe that I actually just rolled 18, 18, 16, 14, 14, 13. Those are the stats we're going to go with, though.

A Paladin of Significant Gravity
Goliath Revised Paladin 2
Revised Paladin: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3XFHBDKL

STR 22, DEX 16, CON 16, INT 13, WIS 14, CHA 16
Relevant Goliath racials: +4 str, -2 dex, +2 con, Large Build
Speed: 15, 10 in armor

AC: 18 = 10 + 3 (dex) + 5 (breastplate)
Saves: Fort +8, Ref +5, Will +4
HP: 10+1d10+3

BAB: +2
Sascha (+1 Keen large mighty [+5] repeating Great Crossbow): +6 OR +4/+4; 3d8+6, 15-20/x2, 120 ft, 14lbs
Killing Gauntlets of Bashing [spiked gauntlets with bludgeoning damage]: +8; 1d6+6, x2

Skills:
15 points to spend, racial +2 on Sense Motive
-4 armor check penalty

Flaws: Slow (half base speed), Murky Eyed (roll miss chance twice on targets with concealment, take the worst roll)
Feats:
1: Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Great Crossbow)
2: Point Blank Shot (+1 atk/dmg within 30 feet) [from flaw]
3: Rapid Shot (extra attack, -2 on all) [from flaw]

Special Abilities:
Aura of Good, Detect Evil (60ft cone at will), Smite Evil 1/Encounter (+3 attack, +2 damage), Divine Grace (+cha mod to saves up to character level max), Lay on Hands (6 points, can be refilled with 1 minute of prayer 2/day)
********************************************************
Next feat would be Holy Arrow (from the Revised Paladin document, lets you smite with a ranged attack)

First major expenditure would be the wondrous item that gives infinite ammo. Second major expenditure would be Gauntlets of Arrowsplit. Third major expenditure would be enchanting Sascha with Splitting (a +3 enchantment).