Ahh, thank you my good man. Wish you'd posted a quick summary in your first post though.

Regardless, I'm loving this setting and I may write for it. But let us continue fleshing it out a bit, yes?

800 lbs of writefagging imminent. I'm new at this, so bear with me.

>>6422625
>I think it may be worth noting, that even among the God Machine mechs, there will still be variation in strength and purpose. Whereas, with the Christians, one Angel is gonna be about as badass as another Angel.

The angels summoned when a believer is sacrificed, or the actual true Angels? Because the first would depend upon the strength of the soul that is consumed.

Okay then.

Basically, we decided to brainstorm how to merge Mecha and the Roman Empire. The result is currently reaching epic.

The main factions are the Romans, who pilot god-machines created by Vulcan or those inspired by him, the Mongols, who have bio-creature things, the Chinese, who use clay doll puppets, India, with similar machines to the Romans, the Britons, who salvage scrapped Roman machines, and the Christians, who revive their dead into soldiers, or use their followers souls to create Angels.

This shit is fucking awesome.

>>6422690

I mean the true old testament eldritch oh god what is that Angel.

This is why we started calling the other ones mechs, even though it may not be the most accurate term for them.

>>6422690
I'd have to agree with this. You'd need a mass martyrdom for a Primary Angel, at least an entire cell of Christians for a Secondary. I don't think just one guy killing himself would be enough to attract a higher being's attention.

Also keep in mind it's not ritualistic suicide, they're throwing themselves into battle to die and become a Martyr for the cause, and that attracts Divine Attention. (suicide causes you to go to hell)

>>6422690
Let us make the strength the duration of the Angel's form in the world

so this will enable us to choose only the most devoted and faithful

the stronger the devotion and faith to God, longer the Angel can be on Earth

>Probably shouldn't make them too powerful. A god-empowered machine should be able to hold its own against an angel one-on-one.

Consider this: It is a creature of a higher plane of existence, forced onto the material plane and into a physical state. It's a fucking badass, but it's weakened by the transition.

>>6422749

I thought the Angels were formed by the souls of the faithful, and their destruction actually resulted in the destruction of their souls and sacrifice of all chance to enter Heaven.

Or are the mega-Angels different? Like the souls form the physical body, but that's just a container for the Angel-power?

so how would Roman God Machines work?
only a specific pilot/group can move it like if you want to move Mars Prime God Machine (well let's say it's the basis of all Mars model), you'll need devotees of Mars?

>>6422724
No.

A single christian goes on a cross to be turned into a (secondary) angel. He then fights the battle, and ascends or is killed.

An entire cell being put on a cross brings about a true angel. All are subsumed.

Recap:

Roman Empire is a badass motherfucker. Caesar receives divine backing from Jupiter when he becomes Emperor as well as a number of mechs crafted by Vulcan. As such, he is able to avoid assassination and the Roman Empire expands dramatically. It goes as far north as the Baltic Sea all the way south to the Congo, from Spain in the west to India in the East.

However, everything is not sunshine and lollipops for Rome. The invasion of the British Isles failed because the mechs were too heavy to be transported across the channel by boat, and the army had grown overly reliant on their use. Boudica marshaled a counter attack that managed to take away the northern coast of Gaul from the Romans. Jupiter, has since offered to reward any man who captures Boudica by proclaiming him heir to the Empire (Jupiter wants to fuck her).

Additionally, while the conquest of India went off without a hitch, the invasion of China went poorly. The Chinese proved to be a more powerful foe than the Romans had expected, fielding numerous terracotta soldiers, rockets, and alchemical weapons.

Now the Chinese are pushing back against he Romans into India. The native Indians, sensing an opportunity, have taken this chance to rebel against the Romans, using stolen mechs and being lead by avatars of their gods.

The Mongols have begun invading China from the north and the Roman Empire via the Caucuses, and are fucking up shit all around.

Meanwhile the Christians have not taken their persecution lying down and are actively fighting against the Empire. That said, while their faith is unwavering, they're few in number and resort mostly to "terrorist" tactics.

>>6422749
Makes a damn lot of sense.

I really wish I could draw for you, I'm not a very good artist but if nobody else wants to, you deserve at least one for this kickass idear. I'm afraid I'm on a linux belonging to a relative right now and I'm not about to learn to use gimp or download any programs.

I can however, post some later on tomorrow. Would you guys like that?

>>6422784

According to mythology, Romulus and Remus- and by extension all Romans, were descended from Mars. So one needs a sufficient amount of the Blood of Mars in them for the machine to respond.

>>6422791

Doctrine would state that the sacrificed man / men go straight to Heaven and sit at the throne of God. In reality, their souls are burned as fuel to manifest the ultra-powerful being, and cease existing when the transformation ceases.

The sacrifice Christian is used mostly a "connection" of the Angel, the Angel lets the sacrificed control it in the material plane.

The angel slowly devours the sacrificed soul through faith in God.

In other words, think of Ultraman

>>6422791
That works for me. So they don't commit suicide, but agree to be sacrificed for the greater good, as it were.

>>6422784
I kinda like this idea. I also sort of see some kind of component internally that is directly a font of divine power, that runs the machine in question. In essence, when the Britons touch it, it shatters causing the machine to break down and no longer be powered. Which is why they have to use the Magick of the Faye to create a new power source, in combination with their own Clockwork to run the remade mech.

The question is, what is the Briton Prime machine? What about some kind of Redcap powered murder machine?

>>6422775
Naile's talking about the other sort of angel there. You mean the ones when a single person ascends, Naile means the ones who descend from on high.

Clarification on Christians and angels.

Christians are capable of sacrificing their own to summon two types of beings.

The first is the mech or "ascendant angel". It's the physical manifestation of a single devotee's faith and soul. When it's destroyed, so is his soul. No soul, no afterlife, and, as such, this is viewed as the highest sacrifice a believer can make.

Next are the real angels. The fucked up Old Testament / Revelations stuff. They're big, bad, freaky looking, and one of the most powerful things out there. But they require the sacrifice of an entire Christian cell, and are used only during the most dire of circumstances.

>>6422852

In the impending writefaggotry, I'm referring to the first flavor as Heralds. The second would be Seraphim, and even looking upon them is said to cause death.

>>6422784
>>6422824

The God Machine mechs crafted by Vulcan require the "fire of Rome" to be piloted. While the majority of these people are going to be Latin Romans, it isn't a requirement. It's more about discipline and loyalty to Rome than anything else. A person could have been born in Egypt and still be capable of piloting one, if he's devoted enough.

The standard mechs crafted the Romans don't have any special requirements, allowing them to be stolen and used by any (the Britons/Indians for example)

>>6422879
I thought it was Prime: Cherubim and Secondary: Seraphim? According to the Wikipedia there's 3 spheres of angels with 3 types of angel each.

* First Sphere (Old Testament sources)
o Seraphim
o Cherubim
o Thrones (Gr. thronos) (New Testament sources)

* Second Sphere (New Testament sources)
o Dominions (Gr. Kyriotetes)
o Virtues (Gr. Dynamais)
o Powers (Gr. Exusiai)[3]

* Third Sphere
o Principalities (Gr. Archai)[4]
o Archangels - Archangeloi
o Angels - Angeloi

>>6422919

I though all of those spheres composed what would be the primary "True Angels".

I think somebody suggested Norsemen to have a faction here, but I think that would be a bit much. Maybe if they are included, they would mainly attack whoever they crossed regardless, but have a special beef for the Britons, being one of the weaker groups. Their devices would be longships that while small and fragile, contained some serious firepower, and Berserkers who drink special potions to become titans capable of at least handling the tertiaries.

>The question is, what is the Briton Prime machine? What about some kind of Redcap powered murder machine?

Britons take Roman mechs and druid them up.

Their secondary troop would be berserkers/woad warriors who have pumped themselves up with drugs and druid magic to turn themselves into madmen on the battlefield capable of fucking things up.

>>6422952

Seems kind of weak in comparison to other primaries, and what would the tertiary be?

>>6422919

IIRC, the Cherubim are more numerous, and the Seraphim are the HOLY FUCK WHAT IS THIS variety. Besides, you'd have to throw out the vast majority of the New Testament, as it was written and compiled tens to hundreds of years after the setting. And of course, different groups might have different names for the angels, as Christianity would be a loose affiliation of individual cells.

Early assed early roman machines should be a more bulky version of greek machines

Early Roman machines should be tiny and numerous, using rails(rome's massive system of roads) to travel quickly from place to place. They'll be able to charge and bash enemies with their bigass shields, and then a spring mechanism knocks them again and stabs the shit out of them. These machines should not necessarily be based on human form, rather, for their efficiency.

Later romans ought to be more humanlike, more varied, and based off of Rome's flaws.

Hmm. A recap of the different things we have, by faction and tier:

Roman:
Primary: God machines. Created by Vulcan.
Secondary: Made by empowered smiths.
Tertiary: Failed Secondaries, essentially just power armor.

Christian:
Primary: True angels. Crazy Revelations shit. Summoned by the self-sacrifice of a cell.
Secondary: Newborn angels. A single christian ascends.
Tertiary: Christians. They are resurrected each time they die, and have body parts which direct are gifts from god.

Chinese:
Primary: Dragons
Secondary: ???
Tertiary: Terracotta warriors

Indian:
Primary: Mecha-Shiva
Secondary: ???
Tertiary: ???

Saxon:
Primary: ???
Secondary: Looted Roman Secondaries, powered by fey energy.
Tertiary: ???

Mongols:
Biological horrors. No tier system, each unique.

Mercenary:
Norsemen: Runic armor keeps their power from fleeing; it is used to weild fuckhuge weapons and kill things better.
Rus: Bear cavalry.
Gauls: Potion fueled warriors, see Asterix and Obelisk.

I think this is everything?

>>6422945

The vikings are mercenaries who sell their services to the highest bidder.

They have dire bears and runic armor that infuses them with the strength to wield weapons capable of fucking up mechs.

They've also been merged/allied with Russia to allow them to be present on both sides of the Empire.

>>6422919
Those would be the prime, maybe the order like summoning a First Rank would have a greater sacrifice compare to summoning a Second Rank

so it would make sense attacking a bigger community of Christians would be downright more a pyric(sorry don't remember the spelling) victory, attacking smaller isolated is much prefer

in this way even if Christians are a minor power, you just don't piss and exterminate them off

>>6422937
Fine by me.

To be clear, the Christian hierarchy goes like this:

Prime-Descended angel from on high. Consumes many martyred Christian souls, utterly destroying them.

Secondary-Christian ascendant. Consumes a couple Christians souls to temporarily ascend to a higher state of being.

Tertiary-Christian soldiers. Men who have pledged their faith and loyalty to Jesus, who writhe even now on the Roman Excrutiatus Cross. They are returned to life by their god, scarred as they were in life. Any missing limbs are replaced with divine augments.

>>6422965

Druid-cannons. Like, taking solar energy and photosynthetic energy from plants to burn shit.

Britons:
Primary - Homegrown tree mechs made from reverse engineering Roman stuff
Secondary - Looted Roman secondary mechs with fey addons
Tertiary - Woad warrior berserkers

>>6422825
>in reality
NO. According to Romans, perhaps. We are not asserting any absolute reality on that sort of thing.

>>6422919
Probably the first two circles would be our "primary" angels then, the third sphere would be our "secondary" level guys.

>>6422952
Druidic mechs ought to be made of plant like substances(namely trees), some fungi, bone, skin, and sinew.

Imagine a huge fungus mech with multiple sorts of antlers, draped in trinkets, with long and spindly spider legs. Maybe a spore cannon that grows trees in other mechs like a watermellon seed in their belly.

>>6422984

But considering how fuckhuge the Roman Empire is, it's only a matter of time before one of the emperors decides to end it.

>>6423029
Yes, but that's kind of the point. They're an underground sect within the Roman Empire. The fact that their units are mostly summoned is PERFECT.

>>6422825

No, it's acknowledged by the Christians that becoming a herald/ascendant leads to the death of their soul. The fact that they're still willing to do it speaks to their fervent devotion.

with the Chinese, their primary should compose other than dragons like the Chinese Constellations like a XBOX HUGE MECHANICAL RAT

Secondaries are mechs that are constructed like Jade or similar things like that

Tertiary well the Terracotta swarm

>>6422990
>Secondary-Christian ascendant. Consumes a couple Christians souls to temporarily ascend to a higher state of being.
>A couple
No. Just one. But if killed in this form, he is dead forever. No heaven. If he survives the battle, he ascends to heaven and may no longer do good work on earth. And the transformation is excruciating, of course.

>>6423046

Death only happens when a herald/ascendant is destroyed in battle. Otherwise they well... ascend.

>>6423015

Fair enough. When you're tinkering with this kind of esoteric spiritual shit, all reality is subjective anyways. ~_^

>>6423061

Well, if things are bad enough that they have to summon a herald, the odds aren't in his favor. And I'm sure that the Romans would prioritize to taking him out ASAP.

So anyone got a good timeline for this? It looks like 4th or 5th century at least.

>>6423029
yea but will you waste sending a God Machine, Legions of Secondary Machines and hordes of fodder machines to actually win?

plus the resources wasted could have been used against less dangerous armies

>>6422978
Not Saxons brah, they were way later than this historical period. We're looking at Celts.

>>6423073

No one has any clue.

We just know that there are mongols and that Boudica is alive. Caesar might currently be alive, but he may have since passed. All that's required there is that he wasn't assassinated by Cassius et al.

>>6423080
Celts, Picts, and Scots. But the Celts are the ones who got ahold of roman mechs and made them usable by druid magic.

>>6423090
Caesar is alive. He's probably like a hundred years old, though. He remains young because of Jupiter's endorsement.

>>6423076

Oh, yeah, it won't happen anytime soon. But once Rome is finished with China and Mongolia, they'll probably come back to get rid of the Christians before pushing into Southern Africa/Japan.

>>6423073
Hunters/gatherers infuse themselves with the powers of nature.

As society begins to develop, this power is given to a small elite of spiritual leaders, and these leaders use their sway to create gods using some kind of discworld type system.

Some where around when the greeks were getting their shit together these gods decide to give back, and they regain the knowledge of how to fuck with shit like their hunter gatherer ancestors could, as well as generally help their asses out.

And then everyone exploits the fuck out of it, the end.

>>6423090
I'd prefer to bring the timeline up to be honest. Why not just say that important figures in history get the backing of their gods and live way the fucker longer than they're supposed to?

Potentially becoming demi-deities themselves.

>>6423116

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. Especially since Jupiter is offering to make the guy who gets him Boudica next in line to become Emperor.

So, even if Caesar has a prolonged lifespan, he'll still kick the bucket eventually.

>>6423123

Sort of becoming the champion of their patron's cause.

I prefer the timeline before the birth of Constantine

>>6423133

I was thinking that during the extremely botched invasion of the British Isles Caesar was in some way killed in action.

For the undecided units, how about:

India
Secondary- similar to Roman secondaries, fashioned in the shape of lesser gods like Ganesha
Tertiary- ascetics who like the berserkers are immune to pain and do crazy shit like light themselves on fire while fighting

Chinese
Secondary- actual tanks. The Chinese have exclusive use of gunpowder, and will establish giant cannons and shit to take down the other mechs from a range.

>>6423154

I don't think the Roman Emperor would be caught going into battle without his Romulus class mech. And given that the reason the Romans lost there was because they didn't have their mechs, I think it's safe to say that Caesar wasn't present.

>>6423159
>Secondary- actual tanks.

Make them tanks that shoot concentrated tao energy.

>>6423173

Instead, Octavian lead the assault on the British Isles, and ended up killed in the process, thus never becoming Augustus Caesar.

IT FEELS LIKE COMMAND AND CONQUER RED ALERT.

JUST.. SO RIGHT...

>>6423189

That or maybe Brutus was rewarded for exposing Cassius's betrayal by being given what was thought would be an easy conquest to boost his reputation.

>>6423159

For India, I was thinking of secondary being the lesser Avatars, the ones that they initially meet with and start their fight, with primaries being hidden, infinitely more powerful Avatars that were scattered about in various temples in the distant past, as mentioned briefly in the last thread.

>>6423173
Ahhh, but what about the Brit counter attack? It would be freaking awesome if the Brit Primary was some kind of giant fucking Tree-creature encased in the armor of Romulus, forged by Vulkan.

>>6423215
Yeah, octavian should be ceasar's right hand man.

Also, what about the germans, slavs, arabs, and africans that aren't egyptians

Suddenly, Aztecs rush in on riding giant flying Pyramids and dropping crazy stone lions on everybody.

>>6423257
Chinese should have stone lions too, they love that shit. Shintoism too.

>>6423236

But, if the boat isn't able to support normal mechs, it definitely wouldn't support the biggest one in the Roman arsenal, and considering that it's the biggest baddest mech in the Roman arsenal, it's presence would have assured a better outcome for Rome.

That and the Romulus mech is only taken out of Rome for special occasions, which I doubt the British Isles would qualify as.

>>6423243

Germans, Africans, and Arabs got conquered by Rome.

Some slavs have been conquered by Rome, some others are part of the Viking-Russian mercenary nation.

>>6423275

Shinto= Japan

Since this shit is crazy enough as is, let's assume that Greenland is as far West as we have gone, Japan remains isolationist due to the Divine Wind that prevented the Mongols from taking over, and that African south of Egypt has it's own spiritual flavor, but all in all is not on the list of concerns for the Romans.

Chinese:
Primary: Dragons
Secondary: Jade Wagons (tanks)
Tertiary: Terracotta warriors

Indian:
Primary: Greater Avatars - Shiva, Mishra, Brahma
Secondary: Lesser Avatars - Ganesha etc
Tertiary: Monks

Celts:
Primary: ???
Secondary: Looted Roman Secondaries, powered by fey energy.
Tertiary: ???

We need work on the Celts. Also, I feel like the Mongols need work. We really ought to give them proper tiers.

>>6423284
What about neptune though. Did the romans just piss him off or something?

And speaking of planets. Pluto and his fellow titan bots, where do you stand on these?

>>6423257

Nah, Aztecs will be saved for when Rome/China/Mongolia finish their fight. The winner goes on to the new world to face the final boss of Earth.

>>6423306
>What about neptune though. Did the romans just piss him off or something?

There are Neptune inspired mechs, but they're not transports. They blow up other boats / attack coastal settlements.

>>6423301
Top tier: Eldricht horrors with bows

Mid tier: Mongol seige weaponry(ghengis was a brutal mothafucka when it came to seige)

Shit tier, lesser horrors on horses with bows

>>6423243
Mercenary races.

>>6423284
The Celts didn't get them from the invasion. We just haven't decided where they did get them yet.

>>6423292
Conquered nations still produce mercenaries.

>>6423297
Africans further south are irrelevant, the Sahara prevents them from interacting with anyone we care about.

>>6423306
Perhaps Neptune provided the only mechs that were used in the invasion of Celtica. Thus all Celtic mechs would actually be Neptune's, not Vulkans.

Mongols:
Primary: Pure eldritch horror. Highly variable, for obvious reasons.
Secondary: Eldritch horror biosuits. Stand a few feet taller than a man riding a horse, and are considerably faster. They're able to create sharp claws to mess up troops when they charge, or they can lob acid at the enemy ranks.
Tertiary: Good old-fashioned archers on horseback. Lots of them.

>>6423364
Is this Eldritch Horror thing infecting everything of the Mongols? So even the Horses are now some kind of Chitinous creature with fangs, an ichor dripping maw, and claws?

>>6423389
Sounds cool, vulcan doesn't seem like he'd suit the brits anyways.

>>6423406
yissssss

>>6423367
>We just haven't decided where they did get them yet.

They got them when they invaded Gaul. The Romans were caught off guard and clever tactics on Boudica's part allowed them to capture a decent number of mechs quickly. They knew to go for the mechs because Roman soldiers who had been captured in the failed invasion frequently said that things would have gone differently if they had their mechs.

Mongol Fluff:

A Mongol warrior's initiation involves a type of channeling that allows a spirit to enter one's body. This possession causes the warrior to mutate. Generally, the more powerful the spirit who enters the body, the more profound the mutation. Due to the wide variety of spirits and the individuality of people, the shapes of the warriors will vary greatly. This leads other factions to believe that the Mongols cannot be divided as they are into ranks.

But ranks do exist, and roughly work as such:

Primary: The most fucked up. The size of Giants, usually with extra or disproportionate limbs. In addition, Primaries can channel their Spirit's power, creating ranged attacks, barriers, or bolstering other spirit-imbued.
Secondary: Can range from 8 feet tall to the size of primaries, but normally don't possess the same degree of mutation as Primaries. The main difference is the lack of spirit magic though.
Tertiaries: Either normal size with a lot of fucked up limbs, or large but rather normal.
Secondary:

>Mongols:
>Primary: ???

Shoggoths.

>Celts:
>Primary: ???

Big ass treant-like mechs created by druids.

>Tertiary: ???

Berserkers / Woad warriors.

>>6423430
Maybe the industrious Brits have some means of getting the mechs back across the ocean? Or are they basically impervious until someone figures out how to build a big boat?

A Mongol army preparing to siege Beijing.

For mongols, how about:
Primary: Great Horrors. Many legged and bigger than ships.
Secondary: Siege. Still biological.
Tertiary: Horse archers, but touched by the horrors. The rider's legs are vestigial, he needs a horse to get around. His bow is an outgrowth of bone from his own wrist.,

how did the Chinese depicted the Mongols, wild men?

also what was the Mongols' prime religion at that period?

Back guys, I'm thinking we need a name for this setting and am proposing God Machines (one or two words, it doesn't matter)

>>6423430
How in hell did they get them back to Britain? Or do they have a foothold in Gaul now?

>>6423495
Fucking awesome. Twisted.

>>6423513
Hmm. God Machines is pretty cool. I was thinking something along the lines of "Imperial Age" or something roman-y sounding.

>>6423536

Tie them between ships, sail carefully.

>Maybe the industrious Brits have some means of getting the mechs back across the ocean?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. They captured their mechs when they got to the mainland and that's where they use them. They don't need to be able to transit their creations.

>Or are they basically impervious until someone figures out how to build a big boat?

They aren't impervious. It'd be possible for the Romans to conquer the Isle without using mechs - it'd just require more intelligent commanders and more troops than normal, but, since the Romans dropped the ball, they're playing the defensive right now.

>>6423510
If I remember correctly they didn't really have a region of their own, but they did adopt the religion of those they conquered(which means Islam and Buddhism mostly.)

~~~INCOMING METRIC TONS OF WRITEFAGGING~~~

Brother Anatole wiped the sweat from his brow as he kept watch on the narrow defile. The cliff fort, a long-abandoned brigand stronghold that was more cave than building, had served them well. They'd held out against the Romans for three days, and, Jehova willing, they had supplies to continue doing so for several weeks. Brother Elezar emerged from below and joined him on the battlement.

"Any change?"
"No. Since the assault last night, there's been no sight of them. Perhaps they're content to wait us out."
"Then they may know the location of this place, but not the nature. The grain stocks are full, the spring sweet and ever-flowing. So long as the Romans do not breach the walls, we are as safe here as anywhere." Elezar chuckled. "Far safer than the streets of Jerusalem."
Anatole shot him a stern look. "Do not underestimate the Romans. That they even found our stronghold shows that they are resourceful."
"Or that we have a traitor in our midst." Elezar spat. "If so, may he burn in Sheol for all time. And may our blades send him swiftly."
"Peace, Elezar. Did our Lord not say, 'Blessed are the meek,'? If Jehova wills it, it will be so."

Anatole returned to his vigil, and Elezar turned to go and tend the wounded, then froze. He'd heard - no, he'd felt something, a vibration coming up through his feet. Like an earthquake, or many men marching in step. He turned back to Anatole. "Do you feel that?"
Anatole's mouth hardened into a grim line. "They come again. Warn the others."

>>6423513
That name sound gay to me, but I have no better suggestion.

>>6423553

Elezar raced below, and returned several minutes later with the contingent that manned the battlement. In the meantime, the vibration grew ever stronger, until it could be felt deep within the rock itself. The men prepared their weapons, as the priests prepared poultices for the inevitable wounded and blessed the fighting men. Finally, after an eternity of creeping dread, the first glint of steel could be seen at the mouth of the defile. Then the battle standard came around the edge and into full view. Anatole gasped and drained to a ghostly pallor.

"Iesu save us, it's the Legio VIII Mechanicus."

Several men groaned aloud as the realization of their imminent death hit them like a hammer blow. Now the monstrosities were in plain view. Twice as tall as a man and emblazoned with the Imperial eagle, these were some of the least of Rome's mechanical works. Still, they were more than a match for anything the Christians had at-hand, and would hew through them like a scythe through wheat. And the men that controlled them were battle-hardened veterans known for their savagery. They had just returned from the sack of Persepolis and had nothing but contempt for the undisciplined Christian partisans. There would be no resurrection for the men here; their bodies would be dismembered and burned, their sanctified tombs defiled. On they came at a near-parade march, as though this were a tree-lined Roman avenue and not a killing field. Behind and around them were the legionaires, looking like so many armored children beside the steel behemoths.

>>6423536

They control the northern part of Gaul, and are making attacks further into Roman territory.

>>6423565

As they closed, the defenders let loose with arrow and javelin. They wounded a legionaire or two, but plinked harmlessly off the thick steel carapaces of the great armored suits. The legionaires threw a return volley of javelins, and now it was the defenders' turn to bleed and die. A few men were struck, and a priest went down with a javelin in his neck, gasping like a fish in a net. The armored units had reached the wall and began hacking and battering it into rubble. Brother Baram, the leader of the men on the wall, saw the direness of the situation and ordered the use of their most precious weapon: several amphorae of Greek Fire. The legionaires scattered before the clinging liquid fire, but the armored units stood unfazed. One armored suit took a direct hit from an amphora and was set ablaze. It became a nightmare beast, a burning demon who implacably hammered upon the slowly crumbling wall. As the steel heated, it even began to glow and make an unearthly shrieking sound. Some of the defenders broke and fled at the sight. Eventually the armor fell and was still, but a dozen more still methodically went about reducing the wall to so much broken rock.

>>6423513
Call it History but with Mechs for shits and giggles.

>>6423510
Pretty sure their religion was fightin, although I'm probably wrong.


I'M NOT A VERY GOOD WRITEFAG BUT HERE'S SOME FLUFF.

The primary tactics used against christians is capture and mind wash. Originally they were outright killed but it has been discovered that death makes them more powerful. Their whole culture is based on death, after all.

Unfortunately there are times when christians will off themselves in favor of more powerful, but fortunately temporary troops. In this case one must buckle up and defend. Prevent as many casualties as possible and wait for the lost souls to fade from this realm, and you will have made their sacrifice for nothing.

While these strategies can be difficult to carry out and a downright pain, it is necessary.(WHOOPS POSTAD IN THE OTHERTHRAD)

>>6423571

Anatole stopped in mid-bowshot. A strange peace settled over him as he dropped his weapon and strode purposefully away from the face of the wall. He grabbed the highest ranking priest by the shoulder and turned him around. "Gather the elders. We must begin The Ritual with haste if we are to have time."
A look of horror and shock crossed the priest's face. "Surely, brother, the situation is dire, but not so dire that we might need summon a Herald."
Anatole shook his head no. "There is no choice. If we do not, not a man here will survive, nor rise again. We do this, and we do it now."
The priest ran to pass word, and Anatole turned and shouted to the men. "Hold fast! Fight to the last breath, and you shall rise again to serve our Lord! Glory to God in the highest!"
The men shouted back as one, "And to the risen Iesu!"

The old stronghold was well-fortified, but even thick walls of stone could not resist the pummeling of the armored units forever. The wall buckled and fell, crushing defenders and opening a wound through which the Romans could pour. The Christians fought valiantly to defend the breach but were no match for Roman steel and the monstrous suits, which crushed man and rock alike in their effort to widen the hole. The defenders refused to fall back and were slaughtered where they stood. As the Romans gained the breech, the commanding centurion surveyed the scene before him.

>>6423582

The wall and the cliff face created a courtyard that backed onto a cave. Christians continued to throw themselves fearlessly at the legionaires, fighting men and unarmed clerics alike, singing the praises of the risen Iesu as they died. Beyond them were a group of defenders, obviously elites, their battle scars declaring their hard-earned martial prowess. And beyond them, in front of the cave mouth, stood a single cross with Anatole crucified upon it, surrounded by chanting priests. The centurion shouted orders to his men to kill the man on the cross, but he was too late.

Even as he spoke, Anatole screamed and pulsed with a blinding inner light. His flesh seemed to melt away and vanished, replaced by a pillar of white light. The light coalesced and took on the form of a two-story tall armored man with four wings, beautiful and terrible of visage. He reached into the empty air before him and drew forth a flaming greatsword. His mouth opened, and a voice like a trumpet thundered from everywhere, shaking the very foundations of the mountains and cracking the mortar of the stone wall. "YOU WHO WOULD SEEK TO DESTROY THE FAITHFUL, SHALL DIE TODAY!"

The Herald lashed out with his sword and killed a half dozen legionaires in a single blow. The rest broke and attempted to flee, but were stopped by the bulk of the armored units pushing through the gap. The first armored soldier charged the angelic form alone and was neatly cleaved in two, sparks showering in all directions. Three more came on together, landing hits but not perceptibly slowing the Herald before being similarly dispatched. The remaining living Christians rallied at the sight and threw themselves into battle with a renewed fervor, all the while singing hymns of thanksgiving.

>>6423601

When the battle was won and the Romans had all died or fled, the Christians gathered around the titanic angel. The eldest cleric spoke: "Thanks be to you, servant of Jehova, for your effort has saved us all."
The Herald, in a far quieter boom, replied, "THE THANKS BELONGS TO ANATOLE, AND IT IS BY HIS SELFLESSNESS THAT YOU STILL LIVE. REMEMBER HIS NAME FOR ALL GENERATIONS, AND THAT HE UNDERTOOK THE GREATEST SACRIFICE IN SERVICE OF THE RISEN LORD."
With that, his gaze turned skyward, and he dimmed and faded from view.

Elezar fell to his knees, weeping openly. Baram placed his hand on the man's head and said, "Weep not for your lost friend, for he sits now at the right hand of Jehova. Weep for we living, who must continue to struggle against the might of Rome." He then turned and walked away, joining the priests in the duty of entombing his fallen men, that they might rise again.

>>6423546
Have you ever been on a boat? They would not be able to turn, as they would need to move in different (BUT VERY PRECISE) ways, and would have the same wind. Also, the movement would be in a manner which would be literally impossible. In order to tack, they'd need to turn every couple of hours. Not to mention that they'd have huge mechs weighing down one side and tipping the ships.

I say just give them a foothold on the Iberian peninsula.

>I say just give them a foothold on the Iberian peninsula.

Gaul would be closer. Specifically the beaches of Normandy

>>6423610
I approve of your work today, Writefriend. Thank you for your contribution.

It can use some work here and there. Just the tightening of screws but hell. It is awesome.

>>6423610
Glorious

>>6423678

Yeah, it's hard as shit to write coherently in one go when constantly being hounded by guests. Do actual work, at your job? HERESY.

I just remembered that the monsters I'm designing for a school project sort of fits with the mongolian fluff.

>>6423610
The Herald in this case would be Anatole, ascended.

>>6423696
Heh. Plus the fluff for this concept is in constant flux.

>>6423739
Woah, fuck! I love that shit.

>>6423761
The Christians are pretty concrete right now.

>>6423748

I ran with it as that the person sacrificed is subsumed. You do not BECOME the angel, you summon him / her / it.

>>6423739

Very alien symbiote. Me likey.

I saved the general unit ideas, and the writefagging. If this thread goes on to later today (fuck it's 5 already?), I'll update it. Otherwise, it was fun while it lasted.

Don't the Jews have access to Golems?
In this way during their early years they were a force to be reckoned with.

With the arrival of the Romans and their Secondary machines, using mechanized tactics in coordination with their infantry rather relying on shock and awe used by golems then a follow upcharge by infantry, they managed to conquer Israel

Now the term "Golem" is a degrading term for these are mechs that resembles the Golems of olden times, yet used only in construction and manual labor. Also requires now workers inside of them rather than an autonomous unit before.

The Golem today is more an amalgam of Roman mechanical engineering combined with the looks of old.

Golem design have also been limited in power, that it will take at least 10 of them to bring down one Secondary Legionnaire. The materials are barely enough sturdy so when a Roman machine hits it, it is easily destroyed

A bit of fleshing out for the Mongolians...

Mongol tribes live with creatures referred to as "spirit-kin". They're bizarre looking creatures with no real similarity or reason to their appearance, but they are considered to be related to humans in soul if not in form. The Khan leading the Mongolians currently has a spirit-kin wife.

In battle some Mongolians will merge with a spirit-kin to augment their own powers in battle, while other more powerful spirit-kin (or less noteworthy humans) will fight without a human partner.

When the Mongolians capture a settlement, they allow the spirit-kin to run through the city, killing, eating, and even merging with people as they please. Those who are merged with a spirit-kin are adopted into the Mongol tribe as newly found family. The conquered people who are neither eaten nor adopted are left to continue their lives on the condition that they provide resources and aid to their new Mongol masters.

>>6423822
>Don't the Jews have access to Golems?

Yeah, the word golem comes from hebrew.

You know, if this were a tabletop wargame, I think I'd play as the Mongols.

>>6423957
The Mongols are pretty badass, but I'd probably play as the Brits. Or the Vikings. Or the Romans.

...Fuck. Or the Christians. I've got to admit. They're pretty badass too.

Mongolian warrior; over 9000 hours in paint.

>>6423891
I meant if they were using Golems at that time
well I just wrote >>6423822 in case they had access to Golems before Rome conquered them

>>6423513
Deus in Machina

>>6424033
What about just "Deus Machina"? Does anyone else have that?

>>6423845
I kind of like it, but the merging needs to be permanent, not just in battle. And SpiritKin shouldn't generally be wandering around free. They're souls; they need bodies. Thus they trade power to the Mongolians in exchange for simply being allowed to ride along.

>>6424033

Machina ex Deus?

>>6424054
The only thing Google brings up is some band.

>>6423987

I'd lean toward the Vikings. Berserkers with rune-etched axes that can sunder the very ground? FUCK YEAH!

>>6424054

Deus Machina... God Machine. Pretty straightforward.

Machina Deius.
Means "God-Machine".

>>6424084
Machina Dei. Fuck yeah, Latin!

throwing my vote in for Deus Machina

it literally translates to God Machine

Romans - space marines/eldar
Shining armours, epicness and dicipline, advanced society and huge empire.

Chinese - imperial guard/tyranids
swarms of warriors, and dragons overhead.

Brits - tau ?
Copypaste technology

Barbarians - orks.
ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS

Mongols - tyranids/chaaos demons
self explainatory

Christians - necrons
self explainatory

>>6424098

Wouldn't that be "machine of god"?

>>6424112
Exactly.

>>6424084
Vikings are mercs though, they'd be pretty limited in choices.

Speaking of mercs:
>germans, arabs, and africans as mercs
Let's get on that. Any thoughts?

Those Jew Golems can be mercs too.

>>6424098
A change my vote to this.

>>6424108
Brits are more like Orks than any of the barbarians.

I'm thinking the yay's have it.

Machina Dei

it is.

Vikings won't exist yet unless we move the timeline forward 1000 years or so.

>>6424187

Technically, I don't think the Mongols would be present in the form that they're being portrayed, either.

Roman:
Primary: God machines. Created by Vulcan.
Secondary: Made by empowered smiths.
Tertiary: Failed Secondaries, essentially just power armor.

Christian:
Primary: True angels. Crazy Revelations shit. Summoned by the self-sacrifice of a cell.
Secondary: Newborn angels. A single christian ascends.
Tertiary: Christians. They are resurrected each time they die, and have body parts which direct are gifts from god.

Chinese:
Primary: Dragons
Secondary: Jade Wagons (tanks)
Tertiary: Terracotta warriors

Indian:
Primary: Greater Avatars - Shiva, Mishra, Brahma
Secondary: Lesser Avatars - Ganesha etc
Tertiary: Monks

Celts:
Primary: ???
Secondary: Looted Roman Secondaries, powered by fey energy.
Tertiary: ???

Mongols:
Primary: Great Ones. Bigger than most buildings, utterly inhuman.
Secondary: Spirit-kin. They burn away quickly if they don't merge with somebody.
Tertiary: Warriors. Merged with a spirit-kin and mounted, they rely primarily on bows. Fairly similar to humans.

Mercenary:
Norsemen: Runic armor keeps their power from fleeing; it is used to weild fuckhuge weapons and kill things better.
Rus: Bear cavalry.
Gauls: Potion fueled warriors, see Asterix and Obelisk.
Jews: Golems. They do not need to be driven, and are powered by the words in their heads.

>>6424187
>>6424206
Then make them proto-Vikings and proto-Mongols. No skin off of anyone's balls.

>>6424187
Personally I think we should. I think that with the Divine intervention, escalation shouldn't expand into the scientific, but the deific instead.

>>6424211

Celt primary: Jack o' the Wood. A fuckhuge ent-esque nature spirit.

>>6424211

The Celts are essentially the nature equivalent to Rome. Instead of big metal mechs, they have big wooden ones.

Primary: Treants
Secondary: Looted Roman Secondaries
Tertiary: Berserkers

>>6424187
Less than half that. Vikings started around between 600 and 800. Our current year is anywhere from about 50 to maybe 300.

>>6424211
Celts:
>Primary: ???
>Tertiary: ???

Primary: Massive druidic trees covered in tusks, horns, and various charms
Tertiary: Woad Warriors/druidic warriors. normal dudes pumped up on crazy drugs and druidic magic

>>6424223

I don't think it's that big of a deal, either way. I mean, we've already pretty much thrown history to the wind as it is.

>>6424224
It's not a terrible idea. Visible divine intervention would almost definitely keep the Roman Empire together enough for quite awhile, and the same could be said for most of the other sides.

mysteryofthedruids.jpg

Maybe we should have Olmec too.
Primary: giant feathered serpents
Secondary: animal warriors
Tertiary: astronomers. Able to not only see but also slightly direct the future in the Olmec's favour. Try acting like Tzeentch sometimes.

>>6424267
Yeah. Genghis Khan was around in the 1100's, so the whole Mongol thing is enough of a stretch as it is.

>>6424268
>Visible divine intervention would almost definitely keep the Roman Empire together enough for quite awhile,

Not just that, but that intervention has also allowed for them to more easily conquer the surrounding area, and the two biggest threats to the Empire on home turf are only threats because the bulk of the military is tied up with China and Mongolia. The Roman Empire we've created isn't set to fall any time soon.

>>6424298

Eh, I dunno about them, since the New World has stilled yet to be discovered

>>6424305
Pretty much. Hell, most of the factions we've created are tenacious enough in some form or another to justify their continued existence.

>>6424298
I'd say no because they have no real border-based conflict with any of the factions.

>>6424298
No. No new world yet.

>>6424298

Hey, gotta leave something for the expansions. ~_^

>>6424305

Exactly. The main reasons Rome fell was that the size was ungovernable and the end of expansion led to stagnation. UNSTOPPABLE KILLING MACHINES keeps that expansionism going full-bore, and it's a lot easier to keep the regional governors and generals in line when you can drop a century of power armored troops on their sorry asses.

>>6424335

Of them, I'd say that the Britons would be most likely to go down prematurely, since they don't have the same "oh shit" card the Christians do.

So is it agreed? We turn the clock forward one thousand years and look in upon what has developed? So a rough time of about 1500 or so?

>>6424318
Dude! They have divine giant flying snakes! I'm sure they can just fly across the atlantic and get a teleporter there.

>>6424353

That and I'd imagine having the mechs would help with long distance communication.

>>6424358
I'd vote for ~800-1000ish, personally.

>>6424358

That seems a bit late to me.

I'd say closer to 700-800 Some people get to live longer via supernatural means, others get to be born early because plot demands it.

Also I'd say that the calender should be based on when Caesar became emperor instead of the birth of Christ.

Lief Ericson was here
Columbus is a faget

>>6424360

Yeah, but they're a little busy trying to invade the Great Planes and fighting the Great Conclave (allied Native American tribes).

Just leave the Americas be for the moment.

Plains. The Great Plains. Durrr. The middle of the North American continent does not consist of superlative aircraft.

>>6424403
Agreed on the Caesar bit. If the empire never becomes Christian, using AD for dates would be strange at best.

Crap. We need Historyfriends up in here.

I don't know enough about the timeline to fuck it up properly.

So guys. Great work tonight but I gotta go to bed in 20 minutes. I'll be saving the physical page on my computer, in the offchance no one archived this. (Suptg isn't working for me) But this shit has been great. I'll be trying to do a consolidated writeup on it soon.

Also, the Mongol's eldritch horrors should be parasitic creatures that are inherently evil. The Mongols are really just hosts to them.

>>6424427
AD comes from Anno Domini which means after the year of our Lord IIRC. our Lord could just as well mean Caesar here.

>>6424442

I'd say that Anno Caesar (Anno Cesari?) would be better.

>>6424442

Even if we keep the AD abbreviation, we'd still be making the switch from BC to AD roughly 40 years earlier.

>>6424442
I'm down with this.

>>6424460
Yeah. It also keeps the point that this is an altered history across.

>Also, the Mongol's eldritch horrors should be parasitic creatures that are inherently evil.

Eh... I dunno about inherently evil.

Celts should have like Nature's Avatars as prime units

the calendar should be based on Caesar's Ascension to Demigod

>>6424494
I'd say keep "good" and "evil" very subjective. Make the horrors not so much evil as alien. They think sentiently, just in very, very different ways.

Rome used when the last consul took office to mark years. If they needed to use an absolute method they marked from when Rome was founded, ab urbe condita (AUC).

This is so awesome, it sucks that I have to go to sleep. But it's like 6 in the morning here...

Vikings needed now...but their tech has to be based around their Longships and their berserk warriors.

Ok, present day in the setting is somewhere around 800-1000 Anno Ceasar.

In the intervening centuries since Caesar became Emperor, the Roman Empire has expanded considerably in all directions, Christianity has at varying times been little more bands of faithful hiding in the wilderness to controlling a good portion of Isreal/Palestine. The Britons have pushed forward taking a respectable portion of Gaul away from the Romans. Scandinavians and the Rus have united under a single banner to provide their services as mercenaries known as vikings. The Mongol Horde is pushing forward into the Middle East via the Caucuses, and China is pushing against Rome into India

Germania - whole europe (would´ve been great)
tsingis-khan - whole russia and asia

>>6424437

I'd go not so much for "evil" as "other". They're very, very clearly wholly alien. Their motivations would be inscrutable, they don't entirely grok human concepts, and they behave in ways that the Mongols find downright odd. Of course, the Mongols just shrug this off. (Which works, as the Mongols were one of the most permissive conquering cultures in history.) In mechanical terms, miniature game units would make periodic checks to do something other than what you want them to, and RPG NPCs / characters would use something similar to the rules for sentient weapons.

Other factions, however, would see them as abominations vomited forth from the darkest pits of Sheol / Hades / wherever, and wholly evil.

>>6424521

It's possible that they might change to Caesar's crowning as Emperor due to the divine intervention associated with it, but that'd still work.

Going off the AUC calender, the year would be around 1500-1700.

>>6424588
I think that the Romans should come into contact with the Mongols and find them horrific and repulsive. Keep in mind that the Roman Empire is MASSIVE and has weapons and highly trained warriors out the wazoo so they can handle another threat.

>>6424588
800-1000 is quite long
we should keep it until 50-250 would suffice

Constantine would been born, rebelled against the Roman Empire, get the "visions" from Christ using combined arms of Secondary Roman mechs, later reforming them to be Christian influence and Christian Armies by his side

>>6424619

Err... the Mongols entering the middle east Via the Caucuses would put them in Roman Territory.

Christians shouldn't have any special tech.
Nor should they actually sacrifice their own people, nor their enemies.

The angel mechanic is good. But it should trigger when a Christian believer dies by pagan hand if the believer's cause is true.

This would mean Christian armies get beefed up only after they start dying. Before that they've got nothing special. They just have to believe.

The angels would manifest from the dead. If the enemies are driven off, the angels can raise and heal most of the fresh dead. Believer and pagan alike. A victorious Christian army can sustain pyrrhic victories like that, unless the opposition can hold the ground for long enough for the dead to be defiled.

Regarding timeline: it doesn't have to be Julius Caesar. Christian persecutions really got going under Nero. Boudicca fought against the Romans during his reign too. Nero's probably a better choice than Julius, because Julius was a military genius, while Nero was a self-obsessed fat fuck. This gives a reason why Rome, with its huge material advantages, hasn't already won.

Oh, and by the way: at around this time, Cuchulainn is loose in Hibernia.

Here's a modern day map, courtesy of Google maps. Someone draw territory lines if you can.

I'm bad with locations.

>>6424644

Eh, given the setting changes, even if Constantine decided to join Christianity himself, it's still doubtful that many of his soldiers would have followed.

>>6424665

We already have them as being regularly resurrected in Necron-esque style. Sacrificing themselves or being completely wiped out and the corpses defiled would be the only ways that they stay deaded. This makes up for their relative small numbers.

>>6424681
Constantine could be some kind of Chosen saint though, sent to lead the flock of Jesus to a chosen land.

>>6424698
That the believers apply redemption to *anyone* after they win should do wonders to battle morale in opposing human soldiers.

All kinds of machinery is exempt from redemption.

>>6424681
It would be like Horus Heresy, Constantine's forces will be driven back to the Byzantine

>>6424665
Christians are solid, we spent three quarters of the last thread hammering out their details.

this thread is an inspiration.

I am seriously considering running this. my only hang-up is that I don't like super giant mecha. 15 feet tall should be the upper limit. most are just power armor.

Even though we're mostly doing the setting right now, I wanted to get down to a little idea that's been niggling at my brain that I thought I'd contribute.

If the Celts get treant/woodmechs, how the hell would it be effective against normal infantry with fire arrows?

I think they should have some sort of temporary protective wards that cause anything fire based to fizzle out before impact (maybe?)

Also, I think these mech/wood constructs should be able to "grow" their own weapons (poisonous spores for anti-infantry, sharpened stakes for cavalry and light mechs, fey energy for the bigguns) but they should also take time to grow, making them vulnerable during this period.

Alright guys. I'm saving this thread.

Lets see if you can keep it going through the dawn and into the next day. Things that need doing:

Some nuts and bolts on the Celts and "Mercenary" faction. A bit more fluff on the Romans (I think the Christianity sect has more fluff than they do.) Same with China.

>>6424766

Green wood doesn't burn, and these things are very much alive. The only thing they'd fear outright would be Greek Fire, due to its inextinguishable nature.

>>6424666
Julius in his agelessness has grown tired of governing, and lives only to fight the endless hordes in the east.

Nero, the only living man that could be traced to Caesar was immediately placed on the throne. However, he turned out ill suited to managing such a large empire as well as dealing with the Briton and Christian threat.

The pressure of this new job turned a simple aristocrat, living on his forefathers' fortune, absolutely mad. Nero now resides in the deepest reaches of the imperial palace. The governors of the various conquered regions of Rome are now left to rule, almost as separate nations, but with an uneasy equilibrium based on the mutual need for military support from each-other. Their beloved Julius Caesar cares not.

>>6424619
The empire should be holy shit why haven't we conquered the world, and the answer should be lolnero. Mechs ought to travel quickly by rail as an added thought, after all Rome is notorious for it's roads.

>>6424763
I was thinking 24 feet tall for the ohmygodwe'refucked kinda mechs, but 15 is definately a staple for most armies.

>>6424676

50000 hours in MS paint

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Machina_Dei

>>6424883
Looks good dude, your hours of toil will not go unnoticed.

>>6424763
The Primaries are not something you see everyday. Bringing one to bear is a huge fucking deal. Secondaries would generally not exceed 15 feet, though some of the Heralds could. They aren't really mechs anyway though.

>>6424794

Roman fluff is super-easy. Most of it would be extensions of the existing history. Take the already extant centuries and legions, replace onagers and ballistae with mechs. There'd be some specialist units that would be nothing but mechs (like the Legio VIII Mechanicus in prior writefaggotry), and certain units would be built around supporting one single god-tier mech. If Vulcan and / or Mars is still actively meddling, have them keeping the generals and regional governors in line while keeping them busy chasing Boudica in hopes to ascend to the Imperial throne and demi-godhood.

>>6424883
It would seem the Christians have taken control of the seafloors. This could prove problematic.

>>6424766

Do remember that wood dont burn all that good, forestfires happen either by lightning strike or by the dry underbrush igniting and burning for a compartively long time before it sets off a tree.

Wet or fresh wood can be virtually impossible to ignite, hard wood like oak is hard to ignite and when it do burn it burns very slowly and is hard to put out.

Perhaps the Celts even use it as a tactic, cover an oak treant in tar and set it on fire, then make it run into a group of infantery.

>>6424850

it is a pretty big jump from roads to rails. especially with no steam engine.

>>6424936
That is a good point, we need more on the factions we're bullshitting all over the place on.

>>6424970
But magic....

>>6424883

looks good

>>6424766, this is >>6424947

I like the treant torch (lol wicker man) concept quite a bit, but I think it'd be like a last ditch "oh fuck we're all going to die if we don't think of something" maneuver.

Also, the romans get cool iron mechs and such, so how would shields work for a wooden mech? Or maybe the wood constructs are more easily produced than the Roman man machines to make up for their lack of real defense (kind of like tactics in the REAL roman era).

>>6424934
>They aren't really mechs anyway though.

No, they should be treated as more of one-shot superweapons. They're only usable for a limited time, and when they're done, you're still down one powerful believer for good. Combine with a culture of constant resurrection and the small number of Christians and they're unlikely to be spammed.

>>6424970

Rails existed in quantity for something like 400 years without steam engines, and they saw very limited use from the 6th century BC right up until the fall of the roman empire. Such rails were either made of wood or were simply grooves on the sides of roads.

>>6424991
I've always thought the only roman tactics related to numbers were the shittons of mercenaries from conquered lands and stardardized armor.

The big advantage of these tree things is that they regenerate, and that they are likely to be xbox hueg.(why waste a sapling when it can become enormous?) We can also make their bark as hard as we damn want because magic.

>>6425016
I meant more in terms of composition; they're made of like, lightning and living metal and pseudoflesh.

>>6424991

Celtic replacements are quickly grown by druidic magicks. The Romans, on the other hand, have to resupply from the master smiths, and the majority of them are in and around Rome itself.

Wait, why do we care about rails? There's no benefit to using them. Mechs can walk.

An idea for the Chinese: since the earliest known cho ko nus ever built were made sometime during the 4th century BCE, I feel that it would be best that the Chinese, with their larger armies, field more ranged units over melee units.

I just wanted to say that I love you, /tg/.

>>6425074

Major Machina Dei construction plants are located in: Rome, Northern Gaul (captured by the Britons), Cairo, Byzantium, Ghana, a newly constructed one in Jaipur India, and a newly constructed one at Castra Regina (Regensburg).

>>6425096

I really got nuttin' for the Chinese. The human units should be ranged, but you could use terra cotta warriors as pure fodder.

>>6425096

So far we were thinking more along the lines of rocket spam than repeating crossbows.

There is so much drawfag potential in this thread, it's going to kill me.

Imagine a roman hired viking mercenary charging up to a treeman, spores and pine needles flying through the air to pick him him off before he can go Paul Bunyon all over his legs with a rune covered axe.

>>6424883
Um... be more accurate if the light blue was "Barbarians" rather than "Vikings/Rus", and the guys you call "Breton" are more specifically Celts.

>>6425140
Terracotta soldiers equip with repeating crossbows

rockets would be more like Anti Armor for the Chinese

>>6425142
A rune covered axe two stories tall at that!

>>6425144

Briton/Celts have been used pretty interchangeably so far in the two threads.

>>6425166

>>6425158

Even better! Expendable troops AND rangespam. Zhuge Liang would be proud.

Speaking of: who would be running China? You KNOW it has to be someone from the Three Kingdoms period. Sun Dynasty?

>The Khan leading the Mongolians currently has a spirit-kin wife.

>the Britons

I can't hear you over my burning wicker mecha.

>Caesar receives divine backing from Jupiter

Actually he himself claimed that having Venus as his ancestress helped him a lot.

>>6425185

Sousou

>>6425191

>The Khan leading the Mongolians currently numerous spirit-kin wives.

Fix'd

>>6425204
>Actually he himself claimed that having Venus as his ancestress helped him a lot.

I think all the major players of Rome claimed to have divine ancestry.

Possibly a bit late for this, but maybe ought to point out that the Mongols were about a thousand years later.

The terrifying steppe warriors from the East at this time are the Huns. As in Attila.

>>6425137
I was kinda thinking humans = fodder, Terracotta elite troops

The Chinese regarded Terracotta as guard army for the Emperor.

All sides would have like these divided:
Common units = fodders, something you see everyday like soldiers, home guard

Uncommon units = elite units, you see them rarely, veterans of previous battle ; this is where Tertiary rank units go

Rare units = seen but deployed mostly on harshest/deadliest battlefield most, this where Secondary rank units go

Unique/I don't know what the hell to call units = means the situation is really fucked up if you see these babies walk the battlefield

>>6425222
>Possibly a bit late for this, but maybe ought to point out that the Mongols were about a thousand years later.


Yeah, it's been mentioned multiple times before. We decided that that they're getting their shit together significantly earlier.

>>6425227
>I was kinda thinking humans = fodder, Terracotta elite troops
>The Chinese regarded Terracotta as guard army for the Emperor.

The reason the terracotta soldiers are being used as fodder is because they're capable of being mass produced and sent out on the battlefield on a scale that literally isn't possible to do with real people.

>>6425140

Chinese didn't conceive gunpowder-based weapons until around 1000-1100 AD.

I think the best thing for the Chinese would be the Terracotta warriors as spam troops, but they should also maintain Elite 'Mystic' Martial Arts warriors that utilize inhuman leaping, agility, and cognitive abilities that make them capable of wreaking havoc on the battlefield. They should also be capable of utilizing large hammer-type weapons like what Xu Zhu used as his personal weapons for destroying the Roman 'Mechs.

Another idea for the Celts, (considering that's what I like in history) could also have specialty assassin units that are either magically altered, (fuckhuge arms for a marksman/bow "sniper") or use potions and the like for other abilities (shadow melding assassins with leaves growing out of their skin for camouflage).

>>6425262
>Chinese didn't conceive gunpowder-based weapons until around 1000-1100 AD.

Yeah, and the Vikings and Mongols didn't show up for some time either.

>>6425222

Yeah, there's some serious timeline fuckery going on here. We're playing rather fast and loose.

It seems you forgot a spot in Gaule that wasn't under the ruling of the roman oppressors.

>>6425246
although it would be costly fodder
well the ancient world uses costly fodder anyways

Elite Terracota should be made of Jade

>>6425262
Jade Wagons have rockets anyway. I don't know if you've noticed, but we're not staying entirely true to history here.

>>6425292
My best guess is that because of "HOLY SHIT 100' TALL ROMAN MECHAS" people had to step up their game, and do so rather quickly. And using known historical figures adds to the already abundant epicness.

>>6425323

Not quite 100 feet, but yeah.

Viking with his hammer.

we gotta include Sampo somehow
It is too fitting to left out
metal machine working with magic

any ideas?

To make thing easier for the Chinese, the Empire was unified under the Heavenly Emperor, this in turn, the great wisdom of the Heavenly Emperor asked his men to find the substances to create gunpowder, they bring it to him and he develop gunpowder and gave his knowledge to the men so his Empire grows

hmm should we rename the Mongols, Wild Men from the Steppes and the Vikings, Norsemen?

>>6425323

Sure, but you could still get it a bit closer. Attila the Hun fills the role of 'scary motherfucker coming out of the east to KILL KILL KILL' just as well as Genghis Khan. Not sure what equivalent you could get to the Vikings though; they're just stupidly cool.

Is there any role for Hannibal? He invaded Italy with a horde of elephants. If we're amending history, let Carthage survive in North Africa. With even bigger elephants.

>they should also maintain Elite 'Mystic' Martial Arts warriors that utilize inhuman leaping, agility, and cognitive abilities that make them capable of wreaking havoc on the battlefield.

>>6425353
"Made by great finnish shamans brother, piece of finest metalwork, as long as you have sampo your team gians x money/d

other teams can try to capture it?

>>6425322

Then if we're going to go so far off with that, the Chinese should get the Treasure Fleet ships some time around 500 CE and should be using some form of portable single-shot rockets, or even the basic cannon, out onto the battlefield.

>>6425301
No we haven't. Gauls are considered a mercenary faction, and they work pretty much exactly like Asterix and Obelisk.

>>6425354
>hmm should we rename the Mongols, Wild Men from the Steppes

If we rename the Mongols we should give them a name that ties in with the whole edritch horror thing.

>and the Vikings, Norsemen?

If people want to.

okay better someone make a new thread it looks like we've gone beyond our limit

>>6425372
>Treasure Fleet
Of course. This isn't really a naval shindig though, the Treasure Fleet isn't all that important in the scheme of things.

>hand cannons
Nah. Not really thematically appropriate.

Archived this segment on sup /tg/.

Go vote on it valian/tg/uardsmen.

>>6425396
I find it amusing to note that the first one still hasn't 4040'd.

>>6425408
What tags?

>>6425408

suptg server is down for some reason

>>6425426

It's up now.

>>6425426

oh wait it is back now. thread is already archived

>>6425403

Actually, the Treasure Fleets would allow us to include civilizations such as the Japanese and even some of the Western Civilizations in the game later on down the road. Since the Japanese haven't quite settled themselves yet and are currently under the rule of Queen Himiko.

>>6425437

If we include the Japs, I'd say that we put them under the Leadership of Rance (or someone similar). Sure, once again we're talking about more anachronism, but there's something very appealing about having a guy who declares war on other nations so he can rape their princesses.

>>6425437

I think the route we were originally going with the Japanese was similar to the Aztec / Native Americans - hands-off for the moment. They've got the kamikaze that keeps the islands safe but isolated. Izanagi-no-Mikoto could still be walking the home islands incarnate, and the various kami would be their mid and god-tier units.

Japan has casters that can summon the Divine Wind to rebuff invasions.

> rename the Mongols
The HUNS dammit or Xiong-Nu as the Chinese called them.
Modern Xinjiang (or East Turkestan) was originally Hun territory.
The Great Wall was originally built to keep them out.
I get this fantastic Barbarians at the Gates imagery in my head.

Wargame nation quirks

Rome: Powerful mechs used to support foot soldiers. They get a big bonus so long as they stay in formation.

Britons/Celts: Tend to use units similar to Romes, but their mech equivalents are less powerful and foot soldier equivalents are more powerful. Also their units tend to be cheaper all around.

Christians: Very few highly durable units. Killed units have a chance to stand back up at half health. Can sacrifice units to summon angels/mechs.

Chinese: Lots of massed infantry, as well as being capable of fielding powerful ranged units.

Indians: War elephants are good at breaking enemy formations, but are prone to going out of control. Soldiers get a bonus when fighting near an avatar.

Mongols: Heavy focus on mobility - all cavalry/eldritch horror army. Units tend not to be very predictable - can't use formations. Enemy units fear them.

Norse: No access to mechs/mech equivalents, but have access to specialized mech killer infantry. Bear cavalry isn't very mobile, but is going at mauling things.

>>6425553

Yeah, but we've been calling them Mongols since forever, it'd feel weird changing to the Huns.

Where are the mongol's eldritch horror symbiotes coming from, exactly? Do they inhabit the steppes as well in this setting, or were they summoned from somewhere?

>>6425608
try to incorporate some sort of formation bonus into every faction - by that I don't mean every nation gains a bonus from being IN formation, but if played using their native tactics then they receive some bonus; the trick is allowing for innovative play while retaining this bonus.

>>6425635

They were summoned. Basically, a shaman got Cthulhu instead of the river spirit and they've ran with it ever since.

>>6425619
Since 22:46 board time. So about 9 hours.

I do think Huns is probably more accurate to the idea, really.

>>6425619
>>6425635
>>6425553

"Barbarians at the gate" throws an image of the horrors crossing planes and entering ours in the steppe. they're transmaterial barbarians

Riders of Doom or Riders of Apocalypse or just plain Riders for Huns/Mongols

>>6425657
writefagging

>>6425671

Flesh Riders?

>>6425671

What's wrong with Mongols? Call a spade a spade!

>>6425657

The Mongols / Huns are some hard-ass motherfuckers, so when the eldritch horror they'd poked said, "Sure, we'll give you incredible power so long as you let us nom some of your subjects and don't ask questions when we do fuckweird shit" they shrugged and went, "Why not?"

>>6425659

Huns IS more accurate. I'm cool with either one. Either way, you get Attilla the Shoggoth or Genghis Kthulhu. And both are incredibly badass.

Keep this going, folks. Time for me to head home from work. And additional writefaggotry will up the epic quotient.

>"Sure, we'll give you incredible power so long as you let us nom some of your subjects and don't ask questions when we do fuckweird shit"

Well, they don't nom on the Mongols/Huns/Xiongnu themselves. They nom on the people who got conquered.

Attila sat down by the river. Bleda was playing at politics again. It irritated Attila, for Bleda was given to error in this arena. No matter; Attila had a greater purpose for this time. The river would bless the tribe. Attila knew little of shamanism, but he knew more than Bleda, and one of them had to do it. Attila tossed the strip of horseflesh into the river. He said the words that Rugila had taut him before his death. The river spirit would come. Then, on sudden impulse, Attila stood, and cut his wrist, letting blood fall into the river. Stupid. Why had he done that; that was the wrong thing to do. Then a blade arose from the water, curved and cruel. It was followed by a sinuous black tentacle with a single eye. The sword and tentacle writhed forward to Attila.
"Augh," Attila stepped away from the thing. A mouth formed about its midsection.
"Please.. your world burns me... Give me shelter in your form! I'll bring you power in battle like no other man.."
The thing was like no river spirit, but victory in battle was what Attila had prayed for.
"Very well."
The thing slithered forward, and with great sped it leaped into the Hun's body. It was gone for a moment, and then the curved blade sprung outward from Attila's flesh, forming in his hand.
Attila heard that voice once more in his mind,
"I shall henceforth be... the Sword.... of Attila."

That was centuries ago. Attila had more of the spirits within him now. All the warriors had at leas one. The sword remained at Attila's hand - what was left of it. The arm had lengthened, becoming whip-like. The hand no longer had fingers, but was fused to the blade. And yet, it was the most human part of the body. The Blade still talked to Attila, of course. It was his greatest companion. And Attila was the Greatest being. The Romans would fall before his might. Soon.

Since we've hit the bump limit, new thread can be found here >>6425883

>>6425890
I have to get to bed.
You faggots better archive that new thread as well, this shit's so cash.