rolled 3, 4, 5 = 12

>>7161903
So you assasinated the judge?

This should be good.

Continue, good sir.

Awesome I remember that thread, how can there be a trial against you when you covered your tracks? What did you miss?

>>7161903

I thought you didn't get caught. How is there a trial?

>>7162061
DM dickery I assume.

"He's still a suspect nonetheless!"

>>7162079

It could be the elf guard captain's trial?

....I forgot how slowly this poster posts.... perhaps in the future you should type it all up beforehand and just post quickly in rapid-fire chunks?

F5ing like the fist of the north star

>>7162061
If I remember the previous thread correctly, he did just murder a prince while acting as an "ambassador" from a nation at war with the elves. There's at least some motivation. It's only unfair if the other players don't get tried as well.

>>7162105
Oh god if he framed the weeaboo guy it'd be perfect.

Oh, excellent, I showed up at just the right time. I was intrigued as to how this would turn out.

So far this looks like huge samefagging and a bit of trolling.

Par for the course. At least it isn't a 40k thread.

>he spent a good ten minutes screaming at me about how I was a murderous racist

But.. you are. You murdered an elf because he was an elf; also because of an elf-human coupling.

To begin with, I researched a few rituals. Yes, apparently Discern Lies exists, but it just gives a massive power bonus to one's Insight to detect untruths. Namely, one rolls Religion and adds the result to one's Insight for purposes of detecting lies for the next five minutes.

Also, the trial was/is not for me, but for the prince's lover, the leader of the Elvish Royal Guard.

The weeaboo outright accuses me, in-character, his justification being that I apparently hated them for being in love. Before I could really respond, the other player who had cooperated with my plans points out that I had 1) no reason to kill the prince of MY OWN NATION (as my patriotism had been clearly established already) and 2) been friends with both of the lovers (I think the DM had actually been trying to rope me into either a threesome or gaying it up with some other members of the Royal Guard). Also 3) I had an ironclad alibi, having been at a party with the rest of the group all night, and passed-out drunk from having underestimated Elvish wine when the murder occurred.

In actuality, I had cast Phantom Mask on my Familiar (who very few people even knew existed), and had her pretend to be exceptionally drunk, then pass out on the couch. I also had instructions for the party member who cooperated with me to be the one who carried "me" to my quarters at the end of the evening.

The DM, glaring at me, meanwhile constructs a "touching" scene of the bodies being found

>>7162182

Actually, I murdered him because my home nation had previously been portrayed as hidebound and homophobic, his behavior would have shamed the king and the whole royal family, and because this war was very, very good for our nation. Preserving the indigenous Elvish culture was not high on my list.

>>7162183
I continue to salute your genius. I would never have thought I that.

>>7162183
GET READY TO WAIT AN HOUR FOR THE NEXT POST

>>7162207
LOOK OUT, HERE COMES BILL JOEL!

>>7162207
Look at the timestamps, it only took him 43 minutes, stop exaggerating.

>>7162229
make that 33. Apparently I can't do simple arithmetic any more.

>>7162207

Better to have a well-written, well-thought out post rather than a scrawled, hurried mess.

We were among the ones who found the bodies, just as the Guard was waking up and discovering his lover's corpse with his sword in its back. I and the other humans had to be forcibly restrained.

Incidentally, to cover my tracks even more, I'd spent the rest of the night after the murder drinking elvish wine to make sure I smelled like I'd been partying the night before, and had a headache and temper to match.

As he began to cry, tears dripping down his face, I demanded his immediate arrest. Although the guards were hesitant, I pointed out OOC there were no other suspects. Then I pointed out IC that if they could not deal with the murderer, then we would. Again, securing peace between the Humans and Elves was the current goal, so they complied.

I intended to bring about peace, the only way it could exist...by ensuring the victory of my people.

>>7162239

My apologies, it takes a while because I want to ensure I remembered everything correctly.

>>7162261
this is fucking awsome.

I like where this is going.

I'm probably the only one in this thread who thinks OP is a massive prick.

But carry on, don't let me bother you.

>>7162261
just how mad was she at this point?
is she was visibly angry about this it would only make it sweeter.

>>7162339
elf lover spotted

>ELVES ARE FAGS, LET'S KILL THEM ALL
>YOU MADE PEOPLE ANGRY AND SAD AND IT IS AWESOME
>WE LOVE YOU SO MUCH

Stupid fuck. Sage.

>>7162128

An intriguing idea, one that I may, in fact, act upon. Remember, if these sessions seem short, it's because the DM seems to be very confused about what to do now.

I have considered masking myself as the weeaboo's character, a sixteen-year-old Tiefling-variant Swordmage (variant, as in, he's ripped off every anime half-demon he can find, and actually shouts his attack names), visiting the location where he is kept, and convincing him to take a suicide pill (I also have a plan for this), allowing myself to be seen by a guard in that form, and letting the weeaboo take the heat, but I see far too much potential DMfuckery.

>>7162339
Shut your cumstained mouth you cocksucking troll

>>7162363

Cry more, weeaboo. /tg/ loves its grimdark politics.

>>7162339

First post in thread one.

>/tg/, I'm a dick.

While this is debateable, OP knows his actions were questionable, but has done a good job explaining why he did them.

And this is what happens when you write what you would like to play instead of what your players would like to play. Awesome job, OP. Just awesome.

OP, you deserve quite a praise for being such a bastard.

We're all proud.

>>7162183
Rape the weeaboo by saying that he is the reason the nations are at war. Fuck him and it's his paranoia that made this tragedy happen.

Gloat inside

It never ceases to surprise em the lengths to which people will go to play with people they really don' want to.

Is there some sort of federal agency which goes around and subjects people to grievous torture of they don't play a sufficient number of games with people they really don't fit together with?

OP and his helper are idiots for playing with the rest, the rest are idiots for playing with them, and in the end instead of enjoying themselves everyone will just be knee deep in piss.

In general, this is pretty good roleplaying on the part of the OP. DM is bad if she doesn't just roll with it.

OP, I was the Anon who suggested you were a hero if you'd done it because your character finds homosexuality abhorrent and the prince's continued existence would have brought your nation great shame.

You're still awesome. I hope you outwit the DM, although to her credit, she's at least playing along with it. If she doesn't pull some shitty DM fiat, you may want to at least apologise to her, because she seems to have been a pretty decent DM so far.

>>7162403

Except the OP and his helper are loling their asses off.

I fail to see what's wrong with what the OP is doing. It's in character, and interesting.

As I recall, he framed the Human Princes's Lover, an Elven Guard Captain.

Illusion spells abound. Witness accounts of the Human & Elf "fighting"

Only flaw I see is that Illusion magic can be picked apart by Magic CSI, if your DM plays that way.

Yo dawg, I heard you like tricks, so we put illusion magic in your illusion magic so you can confuse while you confuse!

>>7162446
Magic CSI or Magic Law and Order would be totally awesome.

>>7162458

"It's a shame this mage died. She was a really pretty girl."

"You might even say she was... enchanting!"

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>7162446
>>7162458
>>7162464
I would love to play this.

Wow. I'm impressed, not only by the forethought and planning, but also the good roleplay that still stands.

If things go well, your DM will learn from the experience. I know I've had a couple players in the past who've decided to monkey-wrench my tentative plans for the party, and had to learn to think on my feet. Every DM should.

Kudos, +10 interwebs, promotions, etc.

To her credit, the GM didn't just say "No, you don't do that because BAAAAAW"

>>7162364
I want to be just like you when I grow up.

>>7162464
http://www.epiconeliner.com/

>>7162464

>>7162446
Oh god.

OP should go around, in plain sight doing dickish things, bragging about how he did it.

When confronted he should make a big scene. If you can reliably bribe someone or have a party member help, have them say aloud something is wrong and "cast" a "dispel" on you. At that point you transform into the weeaboo's character and act shocked and flee.

Now you can claim the weeaboo was trying to frame you.

Dangerous, but very dickish

>>7162472
This;

She's a pretty good DM just..well...terribly misguided.

>>7162458
"NO! re-do your character you cant all play as horatio caine"

>>7162494

"Fine. I'll play Bill Brisson, a Thri-Keen anthropologist."

It was good roleplaying, you justified it well in-character, and handled it pretty well in general... but your OOC motivations were shit and all you really wanted was to make someone miserable.

Do excuse me if I don't fully approve.

>>7162464

Enchantment?

This whole thing could be refuted with "speak with the dead".

>>7162506
While he is a dick, throwing a wrench into plans is always good sport where I'm from.

>>7162505
>>7162494

in one of the episodes of CSI vegas didnt one of the lab guys make a CSI board game?

>>7162520

If I recall, the victim was murdered in his sleep. He wouldn't have seen the killer.

>>7162520
Yeah, but OP stated in the previous thread that the Elves revere their dead so much they won't raise them. They like their heroes to rest in peace. So they may not even be willing to use Speak With Dead.

OP should kill the guard captain. Make no effort to cover it up. His patriotic character was certain the "justice" of the elves would do nothing but let the murderer of a mere human go free. What happens next? Well, the elves take him into custody, with their oh-so-kindly justice system, and OP gets to use it as a platform to inflame the war even further.

The DM sends me a vindictive PM. She points out, smugly, that the Elves do not have prisons. Criminals are not put to death (like those mean, nasty Humans would do...in fact, she often harped on how barbaric the death sentence was) and actual CRIME is so rare among Elves that the few deviants are banished or magically imprisoned on palatial estates guarded by Elvish soldiers. The WORST criminals, for example (and yes, she did mean me if I get caught) Humans found guilty of war crimes, get turned into trees.

I point out that, as the semi-official ambassadors, and because this is a matter of national security and potentially stopping war, we do have the right to hold him.

We had a human-style manor in the forest, it had a cellar. Now, I'd like to thank /tg/ here. Long ago, you had a thread on how to imprison an Eladrin criminal when they can teleport (remember, the "Elvish" kingdom in this setting includes Eladrin and Elves). I took full advantage of what I learned from that thread.

To begin with, I had the Royal Guard blindfolded, and his hands bound together in a sort of iron sleeve or tube that kept him from being able to remove the blindfold. You cannot teleport to a location you lack Line of Sight to, in most circumstances.

Then I had the cellar cleared, the wine moved, and spent a substantial amount of time painstakingly constructing a Magic Circle (ritual in the PHB, one I highly recommend) against Fey that went along the entirety of the wall, and a secondary one inside the room he was kept in. I also used, and hid, an Eye of Alarm (another ritual, also in the PHB) in the "indefinite" mode in case Weeaboo has any ideas about freeing the Royal Guard.

>>7162530

I remember that epsiode. Nice dicking around with the fourth wall. Good episode.

>>7162538
I like this course of action.

>>7162532
Speak with the dead doesn't really disturb the dead, but if the elves are willing to let evidence rot in the dirt, then OP is totally in the clear.

>>7162520
I was kinda wondering why the DM didn't already do this. It's only a level 6 ritual.

>>7162403
God forbid people step outside their bubble and expose themselves to something different.

Also, this group is full of fags, they could use some toughening up.

>>7162570
>Also, this group is full of fags, they could use some toughening up.

Agreed. Everyone there is an idiot, OP included.

>>7162403
I know, it's awesome isn't it? *glee*
>>7162413 also I agree with this poster

to OP: I might be a masochistic DM but you are actually the kind of a player I would want. One that is able to think outside the box. It's always good to drag us screaming from the ivory towers once in a while. I have never met a DM that doesn't get over his head occasionally. I also claim that if anyone thinks they are a perfect DM they are so wrong it's not even funny.

All I'll point out is this, toss my opinions on it and leave.

The DM is a massive failure with OMG ELVES AND YAOI and the OP is a massive dick with NO ELVES ARE NOT YAOI RRRRRRRRRRRAGE. Nobody is right. Everybody is wrong.

What I am enjoying about this thread is the mental battle of chess between the OP, the DM, and who will be henceforth referred to as 'weeaboo'.

In reality, this situation is best remedied by simply getting the fuck out. It's my theory that the DM is letting OP get away with all this shit because she wants to 'win' according to the rules, a noble aspiration. If she were truly a bad DM, she'd have thrown the rockmonsters at you and have been done with it. And if you were really a superior player, OP, you'd just let it slide, or create dickery in much more subtle ways.

That said, do continue. We've got some real Code Geass shit going on up in here.

>>7162520

The Prince was asleep when he was murdered, the Royal Guard isn't dead yet. Additionally, the Elves have taboos about messing with the dead.

I knew if the Prince knew I murdered him, the DM might have him come back as a ghost or something.

>>7162595

I think OP just didn't want things to turn into Avatar with gay Elf sex. Plus, as mentioned before, this war directly benefits mankind. Why let it stop? Why shame the royal family?

>>7162595
Agreed with everything said in this post. Everyone is an idiot and wrong, but at least they're good enough roleplayers, and can bring up some entertaining shit for us.

>>7162630
That's IC motives, while the anon you quoted was talking primarily about OOC.

OP, you should, independently, or with the help of your accomplice, send word to the human kingdom, if it hasn't been sent already, about the murder.

Honestly, I think it's time for OP to gather what allies he has in the group, and GTFO back to Human land. From there he needs to focus on giving the war effort a major kick in the ass, steam rolling the fancy pants 'oh god we're so perfect and everyone should be just like us' elves and then kicking their ghosts in the pants. In fact, could you do that? Create some kind of golem or war machine that runs off the pain and souls of dead elves?

i may have an idea on how to fan the flames of hate and war here.
if yo can get ahold of one the elven guards weapons carve some elven insults into his body and leave the weapon with the body.
few things get a kindom madder then the desicration of their dead nobility.

then again i may be taking this to far.

>>7162595
Apathy has no place in role-playing son, you should know that.

>>7162413

I have been pretty careful so far to not give her the chance to fiat anything. She's made a few efforts, but she DOES seem to want to do this within the rules, no matter how much coincidence it takes.

For example, if the Elf Gardener testifies that he saw the Prince and the Royal Guard arguing, the Guard can go "No we weren't! I would never!" and likely be believed because twue wuv. The Gardener would likely be seen as the subject of deception, the Elves would go "CONSPIRACY!" and I might be discovered.

In short, I do not believe I can allow the Royal Guard to testify. For the sake of my plans and avoiding DM fiat, he must die.

>>7162650

IC VERY much based on the basic OOC I hate this DM and want to fuck up her game.

I AM TORN.

Half of me, the evil devious player who has always wanted to outsmart a DM, is squealing in glee.

The other half of me wonders if this DM is really worth outsmarting...and kind of wishes you'd left the girls alone to schlick it up in a massive pseudo-lesbian imagination-orgy.

*sigh*

Maybe I'm being too lenient.

>>7162676
making it look like a suicide is your best bet. If nothing else, prepare to pull an Igor at all times and GTFO at the earliest hint of trouble.

Always be sure to have a back up plan.

>>7162676
Or you must take it upon yourself to deliver him to the HUMAN KINGDOM FOR A PROPER TRIAL!

>>7162344

The game is taking place over the internet, but she seemed PISSED and UPSET. The only reason she wasn't more pissed was because she was so completely shocked someone had done this, and MORE shocked that they hadn't just done it for the lulz.

>>7162700
Link.

Is there anyway you can have the OP char magically talk with the King of the human lands? If so, you must inform them of the death of the Prince. Explain that you have the suspected murderer in your custody and ask what will be done considering that you know that the Elves do not have prisons for their criminals.
Fan the flames.

>>7162676
make it look like a suicide, force feed him wine and then kill him.
It would look like the guard killed himself out of grief that he could not protect the prince
or hell if shit is as weeaboo as i think it is, jam his sword into his guts in a act of sepuku

>>7162700
You are just doing it for the lulz.

>>7162676
Might I suggest poison made from plants that are only found in the elven lands? To cast suspicion on some kind of a domestic conspiracy. Even better would be if the poison doesn't kill him, just renders him incapable of remembering things or communicating in any meanigful way. That way it would further underline the fact that the culprit was an elf because they love life so much, if they would suspect you, you could just point out that humans would have just used a fatal quick acting poison.

rolled 4, 4, 2 = 10

>>7162676
I know where this is going. There is only one way to victory.

You must kill all the elves. One by one, if necessary, but you MUST kill them.

>>7162650
OOC motives of reaching IC objectives. He was an evil, racist, homophobic, nationalist human from the evil, racist, homophobic human kingdom. He thought he hated elves for one reason, and had found out that he hated the elves for entirely different reasons. His IC motives for annihilating all elves remained the same - his character haets elves. If your want to roleplay an evil character in a goddy goody campaign, you either match wits with the DM or perish, and that is a battle lead in metagame space.

I'm a bit of an elf wanker myself on occasion, and tend to run good campaigns only, but shatter me a squid's beak if I wouldn't be thrilled if one of my players did something like OP did. Of course, it wouldn't work, but it would warm my tiny black heart.

>>7162700
OP, I wonder where you're playing from. Is this PBP, with meet-ups to resolve big situations?

>>7162699
this idea actually has some merit. After all, it is the human prince that was murdered. I see no reason why the accused should not face judgment by the human court for the death of the human prince.

Can you frame the weaboo character by getting him to try and free the prisoner? If you can, then you can kill both of them. You have avenged your Prince by slaying his killer and his accomplice.

>>7162733

Thing is, he wasn't evil and homophobic untill he decided it was the best way to fuck up her game. Understand...hes doing all of this, BY HIS OWN WORDS, simply to have a go at the DM. Personality, if I don't like the game, rather than running it for the DM and the other players that are having fun, I'll bow out. This...assholearly is just...insane.

>>7162733
>I'm a bit of an elf wanker myself
>it would warm my tiny black heart.

>>7162730
>>7162660
>>7162717
these, make it look like the elven nation is dragging their feet over the murder trial.

call in the cavalry as soon as you can

Obviously, some elven conspiracy has lured you in for peace talks under false pretenses.

Perhaps it is a small group. Perhaps it is large. But you can no longer trust ANY elves.

I bet you all wouldn't call OP a hero if this was dwarves instead of elves.

>>7162676
Oi contact your Lord immediately. This matter requires the attention of the King. An ambassador has been murdered while peace negotiations are ongoing. This is unacceptable. The kingdom requires guarantees that the guilty parties are punished accordingly. Because the injured party (human kingdom) was acting on good will this is even more outrageous. All trials pertaining to this incident should be held in their jurisdiction according to their laws.

In other words find a way to deliver the Guard to the human kingdom to receive punishment.

>>7162798
That's because Dwarves are just short, strong humans.

Elves are an abomination upon nature itself.

>>7162798
If the DM in question was making dwarves a bunch of faggots, then yes, yes we would.

>>7162798
I would. Fucking up someone game when they project their fetish onto it is a worthy cause.

>>7162798
because dorfs wouldent get involved in this kind of bullshit.

>>7162782
Impossible, in this scenario, the fact that the guard and the prince were lovers would come out, bringing shame on the human royal family, and possibly bringing some sort of uprising.

In spite of the motives, I think this has turned what seemed to be a pretty dull and cliche campaign into something at least worth thinking about. I approve of this, but it really seems like the DM isn't going to really play ball, unless the OP can convince her that this really is how the character would work, and to try and get her to work within the world of reason.

Kill someone of your own party next, possibly the Weeaboo's character. The royal guard's fellow conspirators have deemed them as a threat, and they must also be destroyed.

Fuel the flames.

>>7162798
If my DM would come up with a plot about a human prince and his gay dwarf lover I would kill him right on the spot.

>>7162798
If he was this smart about it, it wouldn't matter WHO it was.
The point is that he is directly combatting the favoratism of the DM, and is well on his way to winning unless the DM decides to bullshit-fiat her way out of it.

>>7162802
Once there, he'll probably be executed just for banging the Prince from behind.

>>7162798
that's because dwarfs don't muck about. If these were dwarves, the entire party would have been put under a cordon along with everyone else who had been seen, suspected to have been seen, or just plain admitted to have either entered or been around the human prince's room around the suspected time of death.

>>7162766
I am aware of the facts, but I was referring to the truth, which is subjective interpretation of facts. The fact is that OP is an asshole. A cunning, magnificent asshole, but still and asshole. The truth, however, is what I had posted - his IC justification of his actions is so foolproof that, had he not openly confessed to doing it for OOC reasons, we'd have no choice but to take his claims as factual truth. He had not openly confessed his claims to his DM, therefore, from her POW, his IC reasons might as well be his OOC reasons. And whatever she might think privately, she cannot make the first move because she only has access to facts that support OP's version of truth.

If they were gay dwarves that loved trees we would.

>>7162363

The fact that the DM was trying to rope the player into another of her screwy yaoi fantasies makes me think it's all justified.

This game sounds queerer than a 3 dollar bill. And this is coming from someone who has had several long-term relationship with people of the same gender.

>>7162802
OP if you use this reasoning (correct typos) suddenly in-game the GM will have a hard time squirming against it. Outrageous bullshit is still possible but that is a well made case.

>>7162815
Shame and scandal? During peace talks? Political instability? Hatred towards enemies both foreign and domestic rising? Sounds like an ideal situation?


>>7162824
just as planned?

>>7162778
Yes, and?

I wonder if the weaboo character browses /tg/ and is reading all of this.

Evil elves kidnap Prince and buttsecks him, Human Kingdom outraged. Friends testify that he would have never engaged in such aberrant behavior before. Are elves evil man-lovers? News at 11.

>>7162867
Aye. Just as planned.

Then you get the dwarves to ally with the humans against the elves somehow. Just to make it more win.

>>7162654

I am considering using a Sending to contact my mentor, the Human Royal Wizard, but...well, they thought the Prince was already dead. Going "he's was alive but then another Elf killed him" might be counterproductive, and besides...preserving the honor of the Royal Family means keeping it secret that their son was being the butt-boy for an Eladrin.

>>7162695

That is what I've been planning. How to talk him into it, is the question. Ideas I've had include pretending to be on his side, mentioning that the Human kingdom DOES 'desecrate' its dead by raising them, and explain that it's the best way for he and the Prince to be together again.

Essentially, convince him that I'll take both bodies home to be rezzed, then go looking for the real killer. This idea still isn't bulletproof, though, and I can't afford mistakes.

I'm voting for having the elf Guard Captain meet an unfortunate and fatal accident that prevents his testifying - preferably set up such that weeaboo or some other disposable type gets the blame. Having the weeaboo take the fall just makes it extra delicious.

Alternatively, just cut the elf's throat and skip town back to humanville. The humans are pissed at the elves for killing their prince, the elves are pissed at the humans for killing their guard captain, the war is still on, OP still wins.

I applaud you OP, from what im reading I would have bailed on this shit a long time ago.
the fact that you are staying to ruin her yaio fantasy bullshit is awsome.
I would buy you a drink.

>>7162876
:3

The OP may have derailed the GM's campaign, but by God, he did it in a spectacular fashion.

Your best bet now OP is to get the hell out. Your mission was to bring back the Prince's body, that hasn't changed. Don't risk staying in Elf-land any longer than is really necessary. You have the body, go home.

>>7162827
If these were dwarves, the party would have stayed in their rooms until the negotiations start, say their lines, pack and leave. Or else.

>The fact is that OP is an asshole. A cunning, magnificent asshole, but still and asshole.

I dunno, he's actually going through pains to be an asshole in-game and within the context of the world as it has been presented by the DM herself... whatever his motivation might be, his actions are laudable from a roleplaying perspective.

>>7162717

A worthy idea. However, if the Elves aren't at least MOSTLY convinced that the Royal Guard was guilty, there is a chance they will magically present evidence to soften the Human King's heart later and achieve peace despite everything.

>>7162898

Holy shit do that. The BEST thing that could happen is if you could convince the Captian to kill himself (with the promise of you raising him and the Prince later). No blood on your hands that way.

I DEMAND YOU KEEP DOING THAT, YOU ARE MY HERO. I WISH TO BUY YOU A DRINK WHILE SHOUTING.

>>7162928
That's what the OTHER party was doing while you were mucking about. And they'll be a few levels above you when you finally meet.

Accuse weaboo of loving Elf and killing Human from jealousy?

>>7162730

Make it look like the murder of the Prince WAS engineered by an outside source, but that source was Elven? Possible, but remember...the DM seems to think this is Blue Rose, and there are no bad guys outside the evil, greedy Humans.

>>7162739

IRC. No, I will not post actual logs, the server, or screennames. I apologize, but those are personal and I don't want anyone harassing people.

>>7162733

Why wouldn't it work?

Kill the weeaboo, make it look like the Guard Captain killed him during an escape attempt. Kill the Guard Captain in revenge for killing the weeaboo. Declare the negotiations over in the face of such treachery, stomp back to human lands.

>>7162954
Complicated to set up, easy to disprove. I vote for trying to convince the elf to off himself, seems to be the cleanest, simplest thing to do.

The thing is, OP has the elf literally helpless, and thus at his complete responsibility. How would he explain the suicide?

>>7162949
YOU DO NOT KNOW THE TRU POWER OF MY DESTRUCITY! I AM THE ULTIMATE WAAARRRIIIOOORRR AND YOU ARE __NOT__! I AM GONNA GET FOKED AND THEN WRESSLE MY WAY TO THE __TOP__!!

You're kinda fucked now if you think about it. You have the Elf, but you can't let him die or you could be culpable, the Weaboo is a willing participant in Elfland, and your status as diplomat is shared amongst the group.

As well, the DM can now work to undo the damage you've done, since you can't cause anymore without unleashing (potential) magical CSI. The best you can hope for is some manner of Trial by Combat to prove guilt if they suss you out. Alternatively, get the heck out.

>>7162760

I've considered it.

>>7162766

Actually, I did it because, IC, I had no reason not to. It was the best course from the perspective of someone raised in the Human nation, which had been portrayed as hidebound, conservative, traditionalist, imperialist, and faintly homophobic.

>>7162949

just my thoughts


OP, you are an honor to all fa/tg/uys

OP I wish you were in my playgroup

not only would I continue to allow you to derail things (only so long as it made sense in the game world, and it was entertaining) I'd actively encourage it. By discouraging it.

Reverse psychology and all that.

It seems like suicide for the Royal Guard is the best bet. Since blame has already been thrust onto him, making it look like someone else murdered him puts another killer into the spotlight. At that point it casts more and more doubt that the Royal Guard killed the Prince at all. And now you need a new suspect, so unless you have someone else you're setting up to take the fall I don't think escalating things in that manner would be beneficial. As that could very well increase or create any suspicions that you are involved.

But how can someone blindfolded and bound in a basement commit suicide?

>>7163009
What?

>>7162986
Because civilized races in my campaigns aren't clinically retarded. And in my homebrew, there are forces that wouldn't like some small fish meddling in global policies without offering tangible benefits in return.

>>7163049
YOU are the DM!

>>7163007
By having the weeaboo take his shift guarding the elf, of course. The weeaboo will jump at the chance, and allows for illusion hi-jinks.

>>7163060
What are you talking about?

>>7163061

:3

OP, what kind of character is the player helping you playing?

>>7163057
Maybe if OP somehow stages an attempt at his life by intruders in his manor. He could offer his own wounds as proof of his innocence while being free to kill the elf, his guards and the intruders and place all blame on the phantom elven conspirators.

>>7162928
>>7162898
The thing is, from the human kingdoms perspective their crown prince is taken prisoner only to disappear and be presumed dead - it shouldn't be that hard for you to you to present the love affair as the brutal rape of their beloved child (via magical compulsion, Stockholm Syndrome, etc) especially if that's the only possible answer from the humans 'vaguely' homophobic perspective. On top of that, once this is found out and the threat of the Prince being freed becomes an eventuality his 'lover' murders him to prevent the human kingdom from gaining such a powerful motivator to re-incite the war.

This might get your character excommunicated, but if you can work the angle well enough as an emergency scenario it could set the war in motion even if DM-fiat shows the 'murderer' to be innocent...

>>7163085

I'm pleased with you OP.

Get the good Captain to consume some poisonous herbs, make it look like a shameful and guilt-ridden suicide and your victory will be complete.

>>7163079
OP asked me why something like his plot wouldn't work in my games. Without more support, anyway. Shit happens if you roll enough mice and men.

>>7163116
I'd suggest forcing the prince to write a suicide note / manufacturing one, but there are too many ways in which this could backfire.

I like using the "kill yourself to be with your lover (after you're raised)" idea, but have an illusory version of the weeaboo tell him to do it.

>The DM, glaring at me, meanwhile constructs a "touching" scene of the bodies being found
A DM that can glare over the internet isn't a DM i'd mess with.
Seriously, are you making the story on the spot ?

Also, whether it's a real game of only the product of your oh-so-edgy mind, have you a plan to prevent a human-elven joined investigation ? Whatever the results of the last events are, the elves won't raise the human, and the human kingdom will learn of his death. How will you prevent them to make this go as smoothly as possible (giving back the prince and raising the guard if you kill him, letting a human cast detect untruth), or to make this public to the humans ?
Also, if the elves are so perfect and never commit crime, they should be already convinced that the royal guard was set up. The fact that the human kingdom is bellicist, brutal, xenophobic and homophobic shouldn't go ignored, and the authenticity of the casus belli is something of an evidence in these conditions.
I wouldn't be surprised if the guards of the Guard have all true seeing from now on, too.

>>7162885

Fucking THIS, OP.

If you can get the elf captain into the king's court stealthily, then you can accuse him of sodomy of the royal family, framing the entire elven community of being pervert hedonists. Given the tension the royals would buy it.

Now, the king wouldn't stand the rumor of willing butt-buddy, but if he knew the truth, he would be more than happy to have this elf shit publicly hung, drawn, and quartered under the auspices of imprisoning, raping, corrupting, and eventually murdering his son.

IMMEDIATE FUCKING JUSTICE.

If this all happens before the elf kingdom can react, then they'll be all "BAAAW no it was lurve."

Then you get to get the clergy involved and say "GET THEE BACK TO HELL, SODOMITES! If you pull off the myth that the Prince was kidnapped, raped, tortured, corrupted, and then murdered in some sort of hippie elven hedonist plot, then nothing can possibly stop the war.

And nothing the elf kingdom says or does can stop it or even attempt peace, because they've established themselves as murdering perverts with an appetite for man booty.

>>7163140
>skepticism about the authenticity of the casus belli is something of an evidence
That's what I meant.

>>7163139
Shit. This. Make sure there are witnesses, too. You can provide the motive and the means for his suicide, dick the weaboo in the eye socket and still come out clean. Make sure you also arrange a glaring logical hole in his alibi, maybe by using your familiar again.

>>7163012
>Actually, I did it because, IC, I had no reason not to. It was the best course from the perspective of someone raised in the Human nation, which had been portrayed as hidebound, conservative, traditionalist, imperialist, and faintly homophobic.
The DM seemed to take for granted that your character wasn't the Human nation. That's what background is for.

Go bigger, OP. Write home to the King himself. Explain the situation in gross detail. Alert him to the prince's survival, explain how he came to live there, and explain how he came to be the butt-buddy of the Royal Guard. Since ALL HUMANS ARE BAD and the King is clearly the worst of them, explain how the prince was a traitor to his land and his race.

Lay out the plot, explain how you did it, why you did it, and let him know that, were he in your position, that this is the only thing that could have been done. A traitor, a liar, hiding amongst the elves, giving them secrets, laying with their men... There is no reprieve. Send word to the king via a messenger or something, a magical one, that cannot be tampered with. Write it as Official Human business so the elves are declaring an act of war by intercepting it.

Have the King himself rally to your aid.

>>7163007

I've considered convincing him to kill himself while I'm in the form of the weeaboo. That way, if he refuses, he can go "that Tiefling tried to convince me to kill myself!" and the weeaboo takes the heat. Besides, he is more likely to trust the weeaboo than me, because although I was pretending to be his friend, I'm also the one who had him locked up.

However...fun as that would be, it alone doesn't accomplish my goal of keeping this war going. Sending back the head of the Elf who murdered the Prince, though? That will get me promoted. Causing chaos and division among the Elves? That will bring us victory.

By the way, we weren't sent here to negotiate, we were originally part of a strike force, but were "captured" by the Elves (they actually asked us to please listen to their side of it, it wasn't quite a capture). The Human King has not authorized peace talks. We're guests, not so much diplomats, although we're being treated like ambassadors.

>>7163149
He could also claim that the elves captured and mind slaved the prince into being a butt slave or something. All sorts of interesting lies can be made.
Claim the Elves made him the Captain's butt slave to dishonor the human kingdoms to goad the into war.

>>7163190
Will turn out, that the King really, really loved his son and just wanted him to be happy.

>>7163190

The only problem with getting the King involved, as I see it, is that he will indeed be a bigger dick than the OP about the whole thing.

Right now, in terms of conspiring and murder in the name of the State, the OP is the big man, he's in charge. As soon as the King gets involved, the OP is just another pawn in his scheme, probably getting disposed of as soon as possible as one of the few people who knows the Truth about his son's homosexuality and race-treachery, the Truth which would be very damaging to the ruling family should it get out.

The OP needs to keep this on the down-low.

>>7163192
Also, hoow is it so bad that the prince was murdered ? Elves don't raise, but humans do. At least, they can raise a prince, but not all their losses from a war, so it doesn't seem worth it.

>>7163235
All according to plan. You mail a copy of the letter to every baron, lord and count in the land two or three days after. If the King doesn't have the balls to take care of his duty, surely the rest of mankind will redeem itself. There's a coup, a revolution and open war. That's as far from happysparkleyaoielves as you can get.

>>7163286
Usually, a war led by the barons is lost.

>>7163286

Oh man. This is even better.

KING FALTERS.

BARONS GO TO WAR WITH ELVES.

KING SAYS NO.

BARONS GO TO WAR WITH KING.

ELVES BURN.

KING BURNS.

MASSIVE POWER STRUGGLE BETWEEN BARONS.

ELVES COLONIZED BY COMPETING NOBLES, WOODS DIVIDED LIKE AFRICA IN THE 1800s.

CASTLES FALL, EVERYONE DIES.

. . . except the dorfs.

>>7163307
OP stated before that the humans held military might. You don't think like, a captain of the guard would turn on his king if he found out 1) he was sympathetic to homo elves or 2) his son was fucking an elf, and the king was hiding it? That's traitorous to your entire species, and has no reason to rule. There will be justice.

>>7163087

A fairly greedy, mercenary, female Half-Orc Ranger. She doesn't like Elves much either, and we became friends over the course of the game. She doesn't know all the details of my plan, but she's sided with me whenever possible.

>>7163314
ALL BURN.

Amazing work, OP. You are credit to team.

I would suggest the following course of action-

1) disguise as the weaboo
2) engage in friendly conversation with CotG
3) offer wine. Make the wine drugged or poisoned. If you do the latter, dead faggot elf, as far as they know the weaboo did it.
4) if the wine is extra strong, you leave a suggestion that you, the wizard, are behind this somehow, and leave the blindfold off when it's your character's shift. In a rage, the captain teleports out and tries to kill you, you kill him in self-defense.
5) any speak to dead and truth spells lead others to believe that you were in danger of your life and it was self-defense, or the weaboo did it.

>>7163327
No, he would not turn on his king. Know why? Because it would turn out that humans have some compassion after all.

>>7163327
A captain of the guard won't care. Ok the nation is homophobic, but so were most human kingdoms, and that never prevented the kings to like cock nor justified in itself a destitution. If the captain rebels, that will be for his own interests, and then maybe he'll try to acquire some legitimacy among the people by talking about justice and perversion. That's why barons will, before anything else try to submit or kill the others, accusing everyone of being an accomplice of the king or himself a sodomite, leading the people to be wary of its leaders and not very motivated for a war against a forest.

Here's a question: Do elves/eladrin (or however the hell it's spelled) have that whole Tolkien thing where they can die from a lack of will? eg: "die from a broken heart"
It seems a strangely appropriate characteristic, but if the DM is going by the book, maybe it's not possible.

Maybe you can leverage that angle somehow if yes.
Also, not sure if diplomacy/persuasion is still around for 4e?

>>7163140
>A DM that can glare over the internet isn't a DM i'd mess with.

She was calling me an asshole the whole time, I figured it was a fair way of expressing it.

>>7163373
You are a disgrace to humanity. There will be justice no matter the cost.

>EVERYTHING BURNS

While kind of funny, am I the only person that realizes that this is fantasy land? If you "win" at fucking over a DM and half the party in most groups you get to savor your victory waiting for the bus to come pick you up when you get kicked out.

>>7163314

GOOD END.

>>7163387
Fair ? I don't think so. It's just suspect.

But your story is interesting even if made up. What about my other questions ?

>>7163286
>>7163307
>>7163314

Requires a ton of cohesion from NPCs, which are controlled by the hostile DM. The upside? If it works, OP might become king.

>>7163373
Pride and honor > compassion.
A lot of people have died over the pride of others, why would this be any different?

I think love is always awesome.

Therefore, I will ignore every single other detail in this story, and simply call OP a horrible mean asshole for separating the two lovers.

>>7163474

<<
/r9k/ is that way, faggot.

>>7163460
Pride and honor is not something very common among nobility.

OP, suggestion.

Play on the DM's romantic side. Pretend to help the prince's lover to take the prince's remains and run off to human lands to get him ressurrected. Because "love is more important than laws" and all that mushy crap. Ofcourse this needs to be done in secret, so no other guards.

Then proceed to wreck havoc. You could also pretend to fall in love with the elf, letting the DM think you changed your ways.
Then, when the elf trusts you enough, you backstab him.

>>7163390

Because I said there anywhere I roll human. Protip: I don't.

>>7163398
The key is that this isn't most groups. Unless most groups suck this badly and I was unaware.

>>7163490

Exactly. The nobles might not even give a shit about their buttfucking prince, but will take any opportunity to justify grabbing power from the king and resources/land from the elves.

>>7163504

You give her far too little credit. No way in hell she'll fall for that.

>>7163490
>Pride
>not very common among nobility.
Dude.

>>7163504
This has the most potential because DM dickery can work for you for awhile.

>>7163524
Then the OP just needs to act really well, and not immediately go into "Oh I love you elf!".

Play the baiting game. Go from "Honorable but still hating you" to softer and softer...until the DM hits the boiling hot lava that is the OP's intense hatred and dickery.

OP, you have custody of the CotG, who is in your warded cellar, yes? So, anything that happens to him is your party's responsibility.

So, a list of objectives/desires.
0) Survive.
1) Recover the body of the Prince.
2) Bring back the head of his kidnapper.
3) Cause elves to pay reparations for Prince's death (ie. cripple them economically).
4) Hide/Disguise the prince's less savory urges.

So, why should you inflame the war with the elves? At this point, you want a diplomatic solution, specifically to reduce the elves to a vassal state paying tribute to the human kingdom.

That tribute should be in tools of war, preferably.
Any promise made to the CotG should be made fully deniable, and preferably through intermediaries (such as the weeabo). But more importantly, you need to suggest the following:
1) The Prince's body returned immediately.
2) A full honor guard, with tribute, blood money, and other valuables as apology for his death.
3) A humble and appropriate request from an elven ambassador for peace.

The minute you are with these people, away from elven lands, request they turn over their weapons and disguise themselves as human, as the humans "wouldn't understand." At the end of that day, clap 'em in irons, bind them appropriately, and march your new prisoners to the king as the captors and murderers of the Prince. You now have weapons, money, and prisoners who can tell you all the secrets to elfland.

Does this sound like a plan?

>>7163530
English use the same word for orgeuil and fierté...

>>7163504
Pull a Scar. Tell the CotG he can take his lover and ressurrect him, but after that they both have to go far away from both kingdoms in exile.
Ofcourse it won't happen, but it's good baiting for the DM.

>>7163385

It sounds possible, but hasn't come up.

>>7163436

Sorry, I didn't see this post for a while. Alright, you mentioned a joint elven-human investigation. Unlikely to happen. The Humans believed the Elves killed the Human Prince for trespassing on their lands. Unless told otherwise, they still believe he is dead, and long past the hard limit on Raise Dead that exists in 4e. There is no reason for them to investigate further. If they learn that the Prince survived and was killed later, seemingly by an Elf, they are going to think any efforts to disprove this are Elves covering their asses. Not to mention, the Humans already believe the Elves to be murderous xenophobes. Again, a war is going on, and the Humans really, really want to see all the Elves dead.

Now, onto point two, the Guards. As I said, it's a semi-utopian society where crime is rare, nobody is put to death (turned into a tree at worst), and such, but it DOES happen, as evidenced by the DM telling me the punishments via PM. True Seeing does not work the way you seem to think it does in 4e.

Do you know what OP should have done?

Agreed to take the Prince home safely.

When they're in the woods, away from the elves, they can do one of two things:

1) Proceed as normal, and tell the King that the elves had brainwashed, tortured and raped his son. King gets even angrier (despite his son's protests) and razes the elves' civilization to the ground.

2) Kill the Prince. Tell the king of the horrible atrocities the elves are pulling off, King gets even angrier and razes the elves' civilization to the ground.

>>7163536

No, no. Will not work. At this point, she has every resion to seek the PC's doom, and never trust. And, If I know this sort of girl, and I DO, it's not that easy.

>>7163436

Quit bitching when it's obvious you haven't read either thread, Elf-Lover.

>>7163540
>3) Cause elves to pay reparations for Prince's death (ie. cripple them economically).
Raise dead cost only 5000gp.

>>7163555
Pity. It would've made for excellent dickery.

To be honest, the worst fiat you could expect that would be still be 'in the rules' is a human, gandalf-style investigator or detective who wants to promote peace between the races. Essentially - you, but with the opposite objective. A wizard who wouldn't be afraid of killing people (like you) to -promote- peace, rather than destroy it.

>>7163398

DM seems pretty desperate to keep the group together, and from the sound of it all but two group members are on OP's team. Also, aren't you the faggot who said Paladins should rape their enemies' families?

>>7163562

Not to mention there isn't any reason for them to take responsibly for a lover's spat. Just have them execute the criminal and wash their hands of it, and it's over and no money changes hands.

>>7163570
The same would also work with, again, a magical Elven investigator but it requires more distances from the culture's apparent stereotypemind.

>>7162364
>>7162364
>and actually shouts his attack names

I do that with a lot of my characters.

Archived.

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/7161903/

>>7163584
You must play 4E.

>>7163573
I really hope not. This thread is pretty fun and excusable if motivated by IC actions. That one just sounds reprehensible.

Notice how the post quality goes down the moment the kiddies are out of school?

Notice how they're the ones sympathizing with Elves?

>>7163562
Ha. Haha. Hahahahahaha. At least 5,000,000, and that's before administrative taxes.

>>7163590
So does the OP you fucking retard.

>>7163553

Would not work. Allow me to explain. If the Prince made it home, his father would magically discover compassion due to DM Fiat. If he killed the Prince without covering his tracks, the evidence would come out via DM fiat.

>>7163593
Also the edition troll.

Do you have your DM's contact info, by any chance, OP?

>>7163608
Oh, of course. I forgot about that. That pisses me off.

>>7163551
Yeah, I never play 4e. But why don't they send the corpse back (without warning you since you're obviously trouble makers, and officially bad humans) under gentle repose or something ? That will obviously be done for appeasing the humans and prevent a war, so even if the king understand this, that's hardly a pretext to start a war.
I mean, starting over. Why doesn't the human army steamroll the forest already by the way ?
Anyway, they'll raise the prince, he'll say what he knows : the elves are not murderous xenophobes. Seems like a good start for official negociations and a truce until the case is cleared.

I think OP should link his DM to this and the previous thread; hopefully she'll see the posts saying she should roll with it and follow suit.

>>7163635
And they could also just give the guard to the humans along with the corpse, effectively - with the testimony of the humans not on your side and maybe yours if under a compulsion to not tell lies - nullifying any reason for the war to continue. That is the tragic but not grimdark ending.

>>7163608
So kill the CotG while implying the weaboo and hinting at an elvish conspiracy within the court. OP is after sowing chaos amongst the elves, having them suspect the existence of a previously unknown organization that runs completely against elvish values will shake their beliefs in said values, and in themselves as a race. Or at least that's what should happen, but I doubt it actually would.

>>7163659
>>7163635
>truce
>nullifying any reason for the war to continue

I thought the point of this was to make all of the insipid Mary Sue elves die?

>>7163674
Yeah... the whole point was to save face for the royalty and ensure that the war continues, as it's doing wonders for the Human nation's economy. Slaughtering the Mary Sue elves is a side bonus.

>>7163636

That would be foolish, I think. Have you seen all these posts? It has people bagging on lolgayelfsex and faggotweabooplayer, along with suggestions on how to drive home the destruction of a key character to the DM's plot

>>7163573

You got it backwards. The Op has just himself and one other. that's his whole "team".

>>7163674
That's not the point for the DM and the players except OP and his ally (I don't know how many are left aside from them). Not for me either.

>>7163718
Well, you're not in the game, and the only one who is in the game who we're talking to is OP. So kindly fuck off.

Is there a way we can make use of the half orc ranger's skills, I wonder?

>>7163674
The royalty apparently needed a pretext for the war.

>>7163729
u mad?

>>7163618

Yes, I do. I'm not giving it to you, though. You earlier expressed sympathy for the Elves in the first thread, and so I am disinclined to trust you.

>>7163755
OP, what would reaction to: >>7163570
be?

>>7163635
>>7163659

We're hardly "obviously bad", and the Elves think the Humans can change (or they wouldn't have welcomed the Prince, or healed his broken back when he fell off his horse in their lands). Besides, if they just sent an Elvish delegation, the Human armies would slaughter them. I think.

>>7163690

This.

>>7163755
Afraid of competition ?

>>7163755
I assure you, I haven't read any of this thread and will not read more of it if you would be so kind as to give it to me. And if you can't trust an enormous moralfag like myself, whom can you trust?

>>7163765

I covered my tracks pretty well, I'm fairly certain there is zero evidence linking me to the crime. If I've missed anything, please be sure to tell me.

>>7163793

Afraid of having my plans spoiled.

>>7163802
It's not that there is evidence, it's that such an investigator would be quite happy to kill you and pin it on you to restore peace, in the same manner you killed the prince to provoke war.

>>7163794

I'd like to say "a conspirator trust no one".

>>7163809
And in case you're wondering, my motivation is to talk to her about ways in which she can avoid Sueifying her elves, so as to make people hate them less.

>>7163818
Refer to this:
>>7163826

>>7163826
He's not going to give it. Please stop white knighting.

>>7163812

Hm, this is valid, althoug the DM seems to have little understanding of intrigue, which is partially why I've managed to get away with this, I think. I had to explain to her WHY there was no reason to suspect me, why there was no evidence, etc. She's a direct person trying to deal with an indirect situation.

It just seems unlikely she'd think of it.

>>7163838
Ah, so all we can do now is take pleasure from other people's pain and make no effort to actually improve things? A pity, that.

>>7163788
Even if they slaughter the delegation, they'll get the prince back.
And thinking that humans can change is a good reason to welcome some of them and treat the wounded, but not for disclosing matters of war or peace. They try to convince you, that does not mean they trust you, especially after what happen and in view of what is at stake.

HEY OP.
Why don't you kill the lover in plain sight of everyone, then fake your death, using hella illusions?

>>7163856
I'm not taking pleasure from this thread, but that doesn't change that it's not your business and this is a desperate attempt to somehow attach yourself to it out of pity. It's innappropriate and nonsensical for you to ask to be let in on the game after reading this, it's whiteknighting.

>>7163872
Er... Fake allow-yourself-to-be-executed.

>>7163570

...god yes.

Oh, by the way everyone, please refer to this handy chart.

>>7163875
Just asking for trouble.

>>7163901
?

>>7163874
Doesn't "whiteknighting" in the derogatory sense involve a desperate attempt to get tits out of the deal, or something?

>>7163698

Actually, now is as good a time as any to explain the party makeup. I did this last thread, but I'll give more detail now. My helper is playing a greedy, mercenary female Half-Orc Ranger. I had not known her before this game started, but we've become friends since both IC and OOC. Two of the other players are my friends who joined the same time I did, they play a pair of Dwarven brothers who brofist incessantly and are working on a themesong. One is a Valorous Bard, the other is a Fighter. Weeaboo is a Variant Tiefling Swordmage with Aegis of Shielding (which he has sworn OOC to never use to help me ever again) who he plays like a combination of Dante and Inuyasha. The last member of our group is a Human Artificer, who pretty much tries to go contrary to all of our group's plans, but has remained neutral on this. I, of course, am an Illusionist Wizard.

>>7163875
Spy from TF2 says bonjour.

>>7163934
Not to my knowledge, possibly. It's just pointing out it's kind of absurd to suggest that OP give you the contact details, and it seems to belie that you've formed an attachment to something that is really not your concern, however distasteful you may mind it. No-one is getting hurt (yet), the game is just taking a PC-influenced turn.

>>7163946
>Tiefling Swordmage

Oh man, what are you going to do without the help of by far the -least- useful member of the party? Mhmmm? I'd give up now.

>>7163921

He's referring to a character named L from a series called Death Note. The TLDR version is a couple of social geniuses use their incredible intellect to try to kill each other with extremely intricate plots

This DM probably isn't up for the task given how the OP has described her, but it would be cool in theory

>>7163872

At the moment, I'm in favor of convincing the Captain of the Royal Guard to commit suicide, but I just don't see the DM falling for it. Alternately, poisoning him. Unlike the Prince, he IS fairly high level, around our own in fact, so I can't easily coup-de-grace him.

Now I'm confused after reading this whole thing. What's your ultimate goal in all of this, anyway?

>>7163946

So why aren't the dwarves helping you?

Or is it that you wouldn't trust them with this sort of subtlety?

>>7164002

Keep the war going, preserve the honor of the royal family.

>>7163963
Perhaps. I don't, however, like pain going unsoothed if there's any possibility of my doing anything about it.

OP, this is the first time I've wanted to play in a game for the PLAYERS, not the DM.

>>7164009

The Half-Orc was easier, plus...I know my friends. They'll happily go along with it, but they're not gonna bail me out a ton unless I ask. If suspicion falls on me, they've agreed to attest to my innocence, but again...no reason for suspicion to fall on me to begin with.

>>7163934
Its implied.

Saving her yaoi elves isn't worth it.

>>7164009

Dwarves, especially the singing, brofisting kind, don't assassinate that well.

>>7164016

No offense, but it really sounds like you are trying to get into her pants. You also talk like Edward, and it annoys me in every single one of your posts.

>>7163999
It's probably what I would do. It's an admission of the player's wits in that you need to use someone like them to compete with them.

On the other hand, even if I had constructed this libertarian paradise of elfy love I'd have at least included some reliable methods to find OP out, not stricken them off as his DM apparently did.

>Dwarf
>Bard
>singing and brofisting

My god, I want this in my game.

>>7164002

OOC: His goal is to stop the campaign from becoming Yaoi Avatar with Elves

IC: Being from a homo-phobic, humano-centric country, having a Prince of said country betray his country by indulging in sexual relations with the enemy would be an great problem. Add to that the prospect of a reward for encouraging the profitable fighting and for concealing a shameful secret from the public.

>>7164049
I certainly can't get into her actual pants, and I already have a girlfriend online. I wouldn't get anywhere with her unless she was bi in any case.

And who's Edward?

>>7164069
>Attention-seeking tripfag alert

Look, no-one cares. Can we carry on talking about OP's game, please?

>>7164016

Will you seriously just butt out? Nobody cares about your pseudo-moralistic reasons for wanting to OOC interfere with the OP's campaign. This isn't your thread, and this isn't your campaign to butt into, so either give the OP suggestions on what to do, or fuck off

>>7164084
I was just responding to that guy's accusation. I'm certainly not stopping you from talking about OP's game.

>>7164086
This isn't OP's thread either.

>>7164093
Hwee Louev Dweefhendeng Ouwrswevles Ohn Tee Eenternit!

>>7164056

What methods exist, within the rules? Fingerprinting? He never actually held the sword, and wrapped the Guard's hand around it. Matching the wound to the weapon? He Illusion'd up a phantom version of the exact sword, wielded by a phantom warrior who was identical to the Royal Guard. Talk to the servant who brought the wine? Said servant was the OP's Wizard wearing an illusion and doesn't actually exist. There ARE holes here and there, namely the phantom servant and the Guard's testimony disagreeing with the Gardener's, but even if they make a magical past-viewing security camera in the Prince's room, they'll just see an Elvish servant casting that phantom knight spell or whatever to kill the sleeping Prince.

>>7163946

Where do the dwarves stand, IC?

>>7164032
I like the idea of getting the elven guard to attack you and bringing the other party members to your defense. Either you isolate him or use the illusions to cast suspicion upon a certain meddling tiefling, so that if others see the guard escape, it seems like the tiefling turned him against the party. Is that possible?
The idea of purposefully removing his blindfolds and dropping a hint that you were responsible might be enough to get him to teleport out of there and try to assassinate you.
Then there's no reason for your dwarf pals and the half-orc ranger to rush to your aid. Even if he is the same strength as your party, it's a risky but almost guaranteed kill four on one.

Has anyone archived this yet?

>>7164086
I'm not terribly concerned with what you think about my motives, sad to say.

>>7163985

Hey, Tieflings and Swordmages are BOTH very good.

>>7164143

Then why are you posting?

>>7164165
Swordmages are probably the second-weakest class in the game, bro.

Nothing wrong with Tieflings, to be fair.

>I already have a girlfriend online. I wouldn't get anywhere with her unless she was bi in any case.
>implyng online girlfriend
>implying you're a woman

I lol'd.

>>7164175
Well, I suppose that the OP won't give me what I'm after. Mostly I'm just answering other people's questions.

>>7164188
Oh, I must have skimmed over the posts too much. I didn't even consider that possibility. Yeah, go figure. Tripfag's behavior makes a lot more sense now.

>>7164137


just had a thought:
How subtle can you be with casting?
If you can be subtle with your illusions, and do an artful job, you may be able to give weeaboo subtle expressions, without him knowing. A hint of a gloat, perhaps -or something else

>>7164231
This thread is full of great ideas.

>>7164217
People aren't asking you questions.

They're just trying to troll the troll, because its better than leaving well enough alone.

>>7164056

What methods? Speak with Dead is already taken care of. What other methods would work? Even Raise Dead isn't gonna reveal the murderer.

>>7164231

Illusions are strong. In 4e, they limited them to illusions of specific things for that exact reason. So, I really can't do that.

Also, Exalted, would you kindly go away? You're really not adding anything to this thread.

>>7164231

No matter how subtle you can be, it's probably not a good idea. If someone spots it, the OP's fucked.

>>7164069

>who's Edward?

Nice try, Edward

>>7164186

What's the weakest then? Avenger?

Why do elves have pointy ears?


...
Because there's got to be *some* point to elves.

Has this been archived?

>>7164259
Make the guard tell the truth.

OP, what's the deal with those Circles against Fey? How long do they last, what exactly do they do, how hard are they to take down?

>>7164335

He was drugged and drunk. Besides, Discern Lies isn't perfect, at least enough that no sane court would accept it. It CAN be beaten.

>>7164329
:D

i vote for sneaking off in the night with the CoG back to human lands for a public circus trial and execution.

regale the masses with tails of sodomy and rape, the decadent practices of the elves, and the CoG's pleas for mercy and innocence will be completely ignored.

You want a war, you show the people their martyr (the "noble, innocent prince" who risked his own life to start peace talks in an attempt to save the innocent lives of his people), and their enemy (the vile, sodomite elves and their CoG who spews lies and is too cowardly to face his fate with courage and honor like a human would) and wham-bam there's your war.

you don't even need to tell your party. Just leave them behind and book it in the night.

>>7164416

This makes me wary that the DM might pull shenanigans and have the people listen to the elf's pleas, but who knows

>>7164416

I suggested that earlier.
>>7163608

Won't work, here's why:
>>7163553

>>7164373
Who said the court had to be sane ?

Would there be a way to have the CotG make a run for it without use of lolteleport? Maybe he can simply be cut down while trying to escape. "An unfortunate turn of events"

>>7164365

They last until they're broken. So, potentially forever. The Magic Circle ritual is in the PHB 4e, and basically, any creature of a type you designate is unable to move across, affect things from the other side of, or affect the boundary in any way IF their level is below the result of the Arcana check you make when casting the ritual -10. So if I got a 25 on the ritual, anything of that creature type below level 15 couldn't cross. I got a 35 on my Arcana result, meaning no Fey creature (including Elves and Eladrin) below level 25 can pass, and that includes via teleportation.

The Eye of Alarm I set up is to ensure no NON-Fey try to free him, because anyone unaffected can easily break the circle.

>>7164466

Agreed. Similarly, I haven't contacted the King or the Royal Wizard of my homeland yet with the details for fear that I'll become a liability for knowing a state secret.

>>7164571

And you should be afraid. Consider how you'd respond to someone in your little conspiracy who knew more than they needed to. You'd eliminate them.

The same would apply to you if you told your superiors, even with the promise of a great reward for your services. If the King is as magnificent a dick as you, your only reward will be a swift stabbing in your bed and having your death blamed on Elvish assassins.

Okay, OP - here's what you do. You have proof that the Elves aren't going to punish their Captain of the Guard for his heinous crime. They'll hold a trial, but the end result of their trial is absolutely FUCK ALL because they aren't going to render punishment for murder upon the murderer.

Demand a human trial, as a human was murdered. Demand the prince be allowed to be laid to rest in his homeland. In essence, demand a change of venue because human justice cannot be served in Elven lands.

If the DM's pet race refuses, you have justification for war - they held the prince prisoner for years, and let their captain of the guard murder him and walk about free when he was going to be released into your custody! It's a conspiracy! They obviously hold no value for human life!

If they DO allow it, you wait until you're outside of Elven lands and then dispose of the Captain and any retainers of his in your general sneaky way. Bury whatever evidence remains. If it succeeds, woo hoo. If the Elves don't die that easily, who gives a damn - now you're in position to go back in to enemy territory and finish the job you were originally given as special forces. You have strategic information on their combat capacity, their social order, and their culture you can use to bring the hammer down.

Head back to human lands successful in your assigned task and carrying a story of your cunning and bravery in the face of capture at enemy hands - how you argued for the prince's release, only to see him slaughtered by his jailer, and escaped to wreak cold vengeance upon them.

You'll be a hero.

>>7164633
>Okay, OP - here's what you do. You have proof that the Elves aren't going to punish their Captain of the Guard for his heinous crime. They'll hold a trial, but the end result of their trial is absolutely FUCK ALL because they aren't going to render punishment for murder upon the murderer.

Considered this. If I find a way of dealing with the conflicting testimony, and if this goes to trial at all, whether he's proven innocent or guilty, he'll still be alive. I'll declare it insufficient and bring the Human army down on their heads (as if it already isn't) by Sending the location of the Elvish royal court to my mentors and superiors.

>>7164633

This, except for the "letting your superiors know that you know about the human prince being an elven fucktoy" part. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain by letting the human civilization know their prince was alive until recently, and everything to lose by opening that can of worms. Just say whatever the fuck you have to say to get out of the elven lands and head back to human lands to prepare to continue with the war effort. Like OP said, they're here as a special force deployed by the humans because humans are waging war on the elves. They're only being treated as diplomats by the elves because the DM wants to try to make the elves look like the good guys and the humans look like the evil capitalistic pigdogs

So take full blown advantage of how the elves are treating you. Treat it as a diplomatic effort insofar as it gets you out of elf-land. Once you're back on human turf, it's time for full on conquest modo

I agree that the best option, if/when this is to be reported to your King, is to simply gloss over the whole relationship between the elf and the Prince, willing or otherwise.

Considering that they're already in a state of war, one must ask what the point of the trial even is? I think there's every reason for the PCs to just say hell with it, and do their job. Which (I think), is to get info on these nice elven noble targets back home

>>7164693
>If I find a way of dealing with the conflicting testimony

This shouldn't get to the point of testimony. A human was murdered by an elf - if the elves want peace, they must recognize the right of humans to self-determination and that means their justice must be upheld. If they don't recognize the right to justice of humans for humans victimized by crime, they are essentially subjugating your race to their own and you will formally protest to your government about this war crime of a captive murdered in cold blood while in indefinite captivity.

Argue jurisdiction. This is a show trial, not a legitimate one, and humans will not accept its conclusions as it does not allow for the human viewpoint to be represented.

Hell, if you can't argue your way into a change of venue you might be able to argue that as a human you must be allowed to serve as an agent of the court in this matter for it to be considered even remotely "just." Then you have an avenue of access to start monkeying around there. Maybe you can be assigned as the prosecutor...

>>7164765
It's quite clear that the weeaboo is a liability. If anyone chooses to defect to the elves, it's him. He will need to be taken care of in some way before mass MAIM KILL BURN can begin.

what if you use the secret of the prince being an elven man-meat as proof that the king and his ilk are unfit to rule, and lead a rebellion against the king to install yourself as the new king.

lolradumb plan here, sup guys

Wow, the utter crap some people have been arguing about in this thread is fucking unbelievable. If you guys keep this up you'll end up scare him off, _I_ for one want to hear the fucking end to this.

>New Rule: If it's shorter than one line-it's not worth posting.

OK; OP. Let me read you my thoughts:-firstly I'm worried about this gardener. When it gets to trial, and eventually there'll be one; since they're not going to let you leave with the Captain of their Royal Guard... Your DM's not going to let you leave. I think that he could prove a hole. Now aside from the whole "it's his word against mine" there's a real possibility the DM will summon the Princes ghost; citing the importance of the trial or something like that. If the DM does do this then he'll tell the court (I've got no idea how the trial would work so I'm going to assume a lot here) that he and the prince didn't have an argument, then they'll start to think he was framed (as the motive's gone), then they'll wonder who would frame him...
Now I'mm just looking at this from my point of view; this is what I'd do if I was in your DMs shoes right now, I reckon I could get away with it too.

However, going back to the prince. I really think you should encourage them to summon him at the trial (perhaps going so far to arrange it yourself-in the name of finding your kings sons murder!), if the prince saw his killer before he died and he tells the truth then it'll really fuck over the CotG-who I'll here on refer to as Lt. Butt Fucker. In fact; that's enough to get him turned into a fucking tree. Well, in my book at least.

>>7164805

My primary worry is that a Human trial will let the secret of the Prince get out, one, and two that the humans will discover compassion for the Elves.

>>7164845
Also, could you hurry up with the posting. If there's anything left to the story for this session then we'd all like to hear it please.

>>7164693

>I'll declare it insufficient and bring the Human army down on their heads (as if it already isn't) by Sending the location of the Elvish royal court to my mentors and superiors.


Problem: What if the elves decide to detain you under guard because you now pose a threat to their security (not that they aren't getting their asses kicked)

>>7164865
All the more reason to deliver the "murderer's" head with the Prince's corpse.
>>7164833
If the weeaboo goes to full blown treason and defection, the party has some very good reasons to kill him. Could turn into a party splitting event, might kill the campaign. At least, that member might not come back.

>>7164891
He's an illusionist. If the elves know what the fuck he is doing at any point in time, he has failed.

>>7164865
>My primary worry is that a Human trial will let the secret of the Prince get out, one, and two that the humans will discover compassion for the Elves.

There isn't going to BE a human trial. You're just saying that to get out of Elven lands with all the evidence, the CotG, and the body of the prince. At that point you just put it all to the torch, bury it in some hidden locale where it can't be found, and go back to your original job.

The argument I was making was just a way to back the Elves into a corner where they can't claim moral superiority without giving you your way. If you convincingly portray their actions as injust in some way, the DM will cave to your logic before allowing her pretty-shiny people to come off on the wrong side of something's righteousness.

>>7164865

OP, listen to me. This shouldn't get to the point of involving the human court system. You should say that just as long as it lets you get the fuck out of elf-land, that's it. You tell the elves you're involving the human justice system or whatever. The next day, you get the fuck out of elf land, whether they go along with it or not, and escape back to human territory. As far as the humans are concerned, your commando mission was a success, and you now have juicy info regarding the whereabouts of the elven nobility

The question is, how can you do it in such a way that the DM can't do some hand-waving bullshit and be all LOLNOUDON'T?

>>7164960

The detainment can happen the minute he declares the elf to be tried under human court. The elves already see humans as barbaric -though "redeemable," I think the elves would hardly think the current human courts are 'civilized' enough.

>>7164532
So then no elf can check on him while's within the circle. Good, very good. Another question - you're an illusionist. Can you turn things invisible?

>>7165029
I see where you're going with this.
Sneak out with the prisoner while invisible, leave illusion in place?
Might work, depending on how it's done. But one See Invisible or Dispell Magic will likely kill that plan.

>>7165071
I thought of that. Too obvious. No, I have a way to pin it on the weeaboo. But for it to work, he'll have to be able to get alone with the prisoner and his ally, and he'll have to have a way to make the corpse unfindable for a little while.

I'm conflicted. On one hand, OP's being kind of a dick for fighting the DM in-character rather than just expressing his concerns OOC and leaving if she still disagrees. On the other hand, OP's character is a magnificent bastard and I do love me some storytime.

>>7164845
>the DM will summon the Princes ghost
I've got an idea if this happens. As soon as the idea is raised, stand and express your outrage that they're so willing to break their own rules on the sanctity of life as long as the subject isn't an elf. Say that this means the elves consider humans to be a lesser species, and raise hell about it. If they ignore you or offer to raise an elven ghost to prove equality, then you can attack them for throwing away their ancient traditions for the sake of mere convenience. (And if the DM finds a way to have them accuse you, claim that the entire trial is a sham because they'd been looking to pin the blame on a human from the start.

tl;dr - shame as a weapon, race card.

>>7165104
Actually, scratch that, you don't even need your ally. Get in there alone. Kill the captain with an illusion of the weeaboo. Make sure not to make any noise yourself - the captain is blindfolded, so even if they Speak to Dead, they'll get nothing. Turn the corpse invisible (or turn him invisible before you kill him, either way the body should be invisible) and shove it in a corner. Replace the captain with an illusion of him (cast it on your familiar. Thus he will appear to be alive. Now get the hell out, somehow, anyhow. Tell them you HAVE to go tell your king, or anything else that'll give you an alibi for not being there. While you're out and about, both illusions drop, the elf is found dead, killed with the weeaboo's weapon, and you have the airtight alibi of not being anywhere fucking near the area between when he was last seen alive and found dead.

>OP's being kind of a dick for fighting the DM in-character rather than just expressing his concerns OOC

not sure if the dm didn't set herself up for it with the way the human kingdom is written, and not sure if
OP is just playing in character because character's motivation seems sound

>>7165234
Also, if you still want extra awesome, you can take your ally in their with you, so he can honestly say "I saw the weeaboo kill the prince."

>>7165280
Too many holes. The OPs ally can't just let the weeaboo kill the prisoner.

Easiest way would be to have the ally and the weeaboo as the only guards, and to MAGIC the captive to death while the ally is away.

>>7165173
I hold my hands up.

It could work. But as I understand it (which isn't that much to be honest) they don't like disturbing the dead; (though maybe it only extends to Elves) however, the DM is a women, so all bets are off. We can't really predict what she'll do next. I think that she'll get around it by saying that the fate of the kingdom rests on the princes testimony-if he saw his killer before he died (I don't know weather he was facing up and the stab to the chest woke him or not; but I'll suppose that it did) then it could bring the murderer to justice.

>>7165234
This is extra-awesome because if you set it up right, the weeaboo won't have the chance to go turn-coat on you. He'll have to flee alongside the rest of you, because if he tries to stay with or help the Elves they'll think he killed the CotG (presumably to cover up his murder of the prince).

Do this, but don't wait to see if they see through your alibi. Kill the guard, frame the weeaboo, and when you go out to "inform the human government" just don't come back. Get your orc ally and the dwarves to follow you, and the weeaboo will be forced to flee - leaving only the antisocial one, who will either stay with the elves (in which case you have the overwhelming majority and can say he needs to make a new character instead of the four of you) or come with you.

If I might make a suggestion. Why not assassinate a many elven leaders and nobles opposing the war as you can and run like hell, burning trees and bridges on your way out?

You've stirred the pot with the elves, now kick it over.

>>7165382
Yeah, pretty awesome. The only problem I see is what if they don't let you leave? They might fear you'd flee. That's why I said ANY albi - even meeting with the elves for peace talks (which is a perfect albi btw, they'd have to challenge the word of the goddamn royalty).

>>7165419
>If I might make a suggestion. Why not assassinate a many elven leaders and nobles opposing the war as you can and run like hell, burning trees and bridges on your way out?

The reason I can see is that if he goes all LOLZDESTRUCTION on the Elves and then attempts to flee back to human lands the DM will invariably have him foiled by his own misdeeds - the Elves will beat him to the human cities, their tales of carnage wreaked by human hands will sway the populace, and the OP will come back to his homeland to find himself clad in irons as a war criminal.

That's why he has to get rid of all the evidence as conclusively as possible and nullify any chances the Elves have to paint themselves as the victims - because given the DM, their words will be pretty much inarguable regardless. They have to be concretely presented WITH evidence as the bad guys for things to work out in the OPs favor.

>>7165419
Innocent Elven Princess playing with children in the open.
Easy, demoralizing target.
And if it fails to demoralize, then it will fan the fires of war, making the elves less likely to seek peace.
The only problem with starting to murder the nobles is getting away alive.

>>7165511
This. Remember, the point isn't to kill the elves (lovely as though that'd be), it's to keep the nations locked at war.

>>7165520
The elves are race of Mary Sues. They'll always seek peace.

>
That's why he has to get rid of all the evidence as conclusively as possible and nullify any chances the Elves have to paint themselves as the victims - because given the DM, their words will be pretty much inarguable regardless. They have to be concretely presented WITH evidence as the bad guys for things to work out in the OPs favor.

This, exactly this. The OP has established that the humans are at war with the elves. This little Prince thing, due to LOLDMFIAT, is the only thing that could sway the human royalty. ALL you have to do is get rid of the prince's corpse and, ideally, kill the CotG. Once ALL evidence is destroyed, the elves are fucked, because there is no legitimate case for the humans suddenly changing their minds and ceasing their war effort

>>7165555

Then they can seek peace in their graves. Exterminate them all.

>>7165600
Who's willing to bet that the DM will pull a Deus Ex Machina?

Now, what we need here are some real elves. Pragmatic elves. None of this love and peace hippy crap, but good old willing to fight a war elves.
Kinda like drow, but without the suck.

Actually, yes, that's what this war needs. A third side.
A side that wants to keep the nations at war so they don't notice his plans.
In other words, the OP's side.

>>7165555
Going along with the "wreak havoc to fuel flames" path, I think convincing the elves that the humans are much less intelligent, civilized beings and much more raging, destructive monsters would probably sway many to stay at war. Might take some time, though - I don't know the exact feelings of the elves toward the humans.

>>7165689
Either Dwarves or Orcs. Preferably Orcs. All will be sacrifices to Gruumsh.

>>7163314

In the end it turns out the OP was a Dorf agent all along, weakening the surface dwellers in preparation for the Dorfen plan to eliminate them all.

>>7165687
>Who's willing to bet that the DM will pull a Deus Ex Machina?

That's the probable end-game. When that happens, though, she'll likely lose her entire playerbase save for maybe one or two PCs. The whole point of this exercise, as far as I can see, is to see if something can be salvaged from this shitpile of a happy-shiny-yaoi campaign and coerce the DM into improving her playstyle using a battle of wits in the game system.

If she goes for the DM fiat, she's lost. If OP just lets her steamroll this shit over him without fighting it however he can in-game and in-character, he's lost.

>>7165716

I'd say that's a little too far ahead at the moment.
Also, who knows what the DM will do with the races?
Dwarves could become boozing, peace loving party midgets, and orcs become such a huge threat, the elves and the humans end up joining forces ...and then the humans go gay for elves wholesale

>>7165701

This is a waste of time. Elves are the GM's mary sue PEACE IS WONDERFUL, WE ARE SO INTELLIGENT AND TOLERANT AND BLAHBLAH race. Warfare does not require two sides agreeing to battle, it only requires one. The OP has firmly established that humans are the aggressor, and have no real reason to change their minds about conquering elven territory. It's the elves that are going for peace. All you have to do is ensure the humans still have proper incentive towards killing all the tree huggers, and you've got yourself a war

>>7165819

And as an addendum, it will be FAR easier to convince the humans to continue the war than to convince the elves that they need to wage war. One is being portrayed as the "barbaric aggressors," while the other is the high and mighty "civilized" race. By the GM's own world structuring, it will be easiest to just get the humans to continue the war

To be fair, the DM seems to have done a pretty good job so far of rolling with the OP's punches. Despite her abomination of an elf-race, she seems to be avoiding a DM fiat smackdown.

>>7165819
>>7165866
I completely forgot about the GM and was just about to post on that - thanks for catching that.

>>7165900
I still think the OP ultimately can't win. Though it's just for the sake of being a dick about her lame yaoi mary sue fantasies, the intrigue is good enough a roleplay to make me think of it as somewhat successful a run, even though no one else seems to be particularly involved.

>>7165946

That depends on how you define "winning." If the GM won't play ball and just pulls out the ROCKS FALL, EVERYBODY DIES type card, then that's as close to winning as the OP will ever get, because that makes the GM look like a lame-ass. If the GM rolls with the punches and plays this scenario straight, then everybody wins, because it's gunna be a fuck of a lot more fun than the bullshit the GM originally planned. If the GM plays it straight and the OP fucks up and gets his character legitimated tried and jailed, then the GM wins, because the OP suffered for his own actions in a fair and realistic manner

It's poisonous to the atmosphere of the game to try to "win" like this, but all the same, it's the closest way to define victory and defeat

Aight OP, I'm going to bed. By the nine cocks of Hades, you better keep us updated on this. This is just sounding too awesome to not be recorded

Good luck with your elf killing ::3

>>7165946
I honestly don't think he'll be able to legitimately achieve his goals when the DM has access to thinks like DM fiating and Deus Ex Machina, but the most he can do is send a message.

That message is "Your story sucks, here's how you can make it better."

The OP is acting like a complete dickweed by doing what he's doing. However, he's IN CHARACTER. That's what the DM seems to be forgetting; he's not doing this out of spite, he's doing it because that's what his character would do. If the DM knew this, perhaps she'd be slightly less butthurt about the whole thing (besides, her pairing has been irrevocably shattered, what does she have to lose?)

If she fails to learn, then she's unfit to DM.

To be honest, carving a path of destruction all the way back to human lands is an acceptable course of action.

The party were sent in on a commando raid to fuck shit up. They discovered that the pretext for the war (ie: the prince was killed by elves) was in fact false as the prince still lived, which undermined the case for war. OP resolved that by making the pretext for war (ie: the prince was killed by elves) true again just with different details. As far as the humans are concerned, the core facts are the same, but the circumstances around it reaffirm human mistrust for elves as treacherous, duplicitous and decadent. It's all about presenting the facts in a manner that serves the case for war.

So, instead of being assassinated by xenophobic elves while hunting, the prince was captured and held prisoner for a span of months before the PC party arrived, unaware that he still lived. Rather than let him return home with his rescuers (and expose the degrading and shameful acts inflicted upon him by his elven captors), the Captain of the Guard killed the prince in cold blood. The PC party took the prince's murderer into custody, as is right and proper. There's no need to drag him back to human lands for trial, just present the king with the CotG's head as just the beginning of the vengeance the humans will take upon the elves for their crimes.

Essentially, from the human point of view nothing has changed - their prince is still dead, he was still killed by elves so the war's still on. However much the elves protest, as long as you get to the king first and paint the elves as being a bunch of scheming liars he'll take whatever explanation they offer for the prince's death as being an attempt to squirm out of the righteous retribution that is heading their way.

>>7164886

That's all for this session, but since it was cut short by the DM needing to go to some family dinner, we're having a makeup session tomorrow.

>>7166116
>he's not doing this out of spite

Sure he is, it's just very justified in character.

>>7164991

not sure they'll believe it when the Human policy on Elves is currently Kill On Sight.

>>7166198
Make sure to drop by tomorrow and give us an update you handsome devil.

>>7166185

I'm making a note in my diary as we speak.

What's going to happen? Who knows! Only the mind of some twisted yaoi-fiend.