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    359 KB Mercs and Planes Update? Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:19 No.10666075  
    Ladies and gentlemen...I've been out of contact for a good while and i was wondering if there'd been another thread since OP posted the mission brief for the african harbor assault the other week. I would assume so but I can't be sure since game updates have been rather sparse lately.

    If there have been updates and threads since that one i'd appreciate a link to any saved threads that you can provide.

    Cheers mates.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:21 No.10666117
    god i thought i'd hit the jackpot when i saw the plane pic.

    Fuck you Sky.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:21 No.10666146
    Missed you too anon.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:24 No.10666219
    Su-30MKM is the best fighter in Asia.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:25 No.10666237
    No one?

    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:26 No.10666256
    Any support for that claim anon?
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)12:28 No.10666278
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    I do not believe there has been another thread.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:28 No.10666297

    Ah! Thank you Air Action. Good to know I haven't missed anything.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:30 No.10666339

    stop posting this kind of shit. You shame our country.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:33 No.10666387
    Any one who does not support Malaysia against Australia/Indonesia/Singapore's aggressive policy should GTFO the country, Malaysia don't need traitors when it comes to wartime.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:35 No.10666428
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    The capabilities of the Su-30MKM is on par with, or even surpasses, the capabilities of top-of-the-line US fighter jets such as the F-22 Raptor. In fact, it would not be an exaggeration to say that other US-made fighters such as the F-5, F-15 and F-16, which the Republic of Singapore Air Force possesses, or the F-18 used by the Royal Australian Air Force, are far less capable than the Su-30MKM.

    Malaysia will receive the first 18 Sukhoi Su-30-MKM Flanker fighters with air superiority diameter of up to Australia and Hong kong., the most advanced versions of the Su-27 warplane, and probably the best airplane in the world after the F-22 Raptor. The Su-30MKM will be the ultimate fighter aircraft in the shifting balance of regional air power in the south asean region. With units like MiG-29, Su-30MKM and F/A-18D, the Malaysian air force can potentially beat any contemporary adversaries.

    The export of Su-30s created alot of tensions/concerns around the world - Malaysian airforce acquired Su-30MKM turned into much capable airforce in the region and indirectly forced Austrilian airforce to consider and pay attention to its airforce. Australia and Singapore long term plan to acquire the F-35 or maybe F-22 in meantime use inadequate stopgap measure of F-18F super hornet and F-15E strike eagle... but given the lower training standard of australian and singapore pilots this poses no threat to Malaysia. We can boldly say that Malaysia have the strongest air force in Asia.

    The combination of Su-30s and future multirole combat aircraft will make the RMAF an airpower to be respected.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)12:36 No.10666446
    This was the last one, it's been a while:

    Mistakenly labeled as XXV btw, should be XXVI
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:37 No.10666465
    >upgrade to the Su-27

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:38 No.10666479
    Yeah thats not propagandist shit at all. Nope. Not at all.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:38 No.10666482
    Skyhawk is a shitty airplane used by the Jew puppet nations of Israel, New Zealand and Singapork.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:39 No.10666496
    Just wait until Sukhoi finds this thread.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:39 No.10666501

    Yeah thats what I figured. Thanks Fligh/tg/uy
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)12:39 No.10666507
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    But its so cute!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:39 No.10666511
    >is on par with, or even surpasses, the capabilities of top-of-the-line US fighter jets such as the F-22 Raptor
    Um, no.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:39 No.10666512
    >probably the best airplane in the world after the F-22 Raptor
    >after the F-22 Raptor

    I can agree with this.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:40 No.10666514
    Forgive me for enjoying a classic aircraft that I don't have to bankrupt a small country to purchase and maintain.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:40 No.10666519
    Except it does in certain areas, surpass the Raptor. Certain areas, not all.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:40 No.10666527
    Royal Malaysian Air Force Su-30MKM (M for Malaysia) is the most advanced fighter in Asia-Pacific region.

    List of best fighter in Asia:

    1) Su-30MKM (Malaysia)
    2) Su-30MKI (India)
    3) J-12 (China)
    4) J-10 (China)
    5) Su-27 (Vietnam and Indonesia)
    6) MiG-29N (Malaysia)
    7) F-18D (Malaysia)
    8) F-5 (Malaysia)
    9) F-18F (Australia)
    10) F-15 (Jepun, Korea and Shitpore)
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:41 No.10666531
    Why would the manufacturer care about 4chan?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:41 No.10666544
    Malaysia can't afford the best versions, the MKI is superior to the MKM.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:42 No.10666555
    It's another fucking namefag.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:43 No.10666569
    Does India count as Asia? I this case...considering its SE Asia I suppose it would considering.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:43 No.10666577
    > Australia/Indonesia/Singapore's aggressive policy should GTFO the country,

    You don't even know these are our FPDA allies. Get out you fucking second generation immigrant.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:44 No.10666596
    Isn't the F-22 the plane whose most dangerous enemy is rain?

    'Cause that's a joke plane no matter how you slice it.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:45 No.10666601
    The J-12 doesn't exist that I know of.
    The Mig-29 is Inferior to the F-18 in the areas that matter.
    The F-18 F from Australia is Superior to everything save maybe the J10 and definitely the Sukhois and Eagles.

    The correct list would be
    J10 (maybe)
    Everything else.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:46 No.10666620
    To be fair, the F-22 IS a pretty awesome plane.

    It is also being superseded and made utterly redundant by shit like the Eurofighter Typhoon, the F-35, and so on.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:47 No.10666635
    >FPDA ally

    Indon scum detected
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:47 No.10666639
    >hurr durr RUSSIA STRONG
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:47 No.10666644
    Not to mention its a single role fighter in a multirole era.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:47 No.10666648
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    The F-22 can be the best jet aircraft in the world ever. In the hands of the right pilot.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)12:48 No.10666652
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    No prob

    By the way, have you checked out the forum yet?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:48 No.10666655

    >Eurofighter Typhoon

    ...right. Because a plane with that many production problems is ever going to be effective.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:48 No.10666661
    MKI uses inferior Israeli avionics; MKM uses French ones.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:48 No.10666662
    No. Not even slightly.

    The F-22, on a pure performance basis, is far beyond both the Eurofighter and the Current Gen Flanker. It's miles beyond the real joke plane, the F-35.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)12:48 No.10666666
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    Mobius could've won that war in a Saber.

    Actually, I'd want to see that...
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:49 No.10666674
    If its the forum we set up to mod up a RPG element then yes...I do believe i'm the second member...behind its creator.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:49 No.10666685
    They tried to make it sorta-multirole, what with the whole "electronic support" role...but that just makes it a flying, missile-laden stealth AWACS.

    Here's a better idea. Build a miniature AWACS with stealth technology and tons of BVRAAMs! Instead of trying to make a dogfighter/air-superiority fighter that also works as a stand-off platform AND an ESP and failing it hardcore.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:50 No.10666700
    It's widely recognized that short of American manufacturers, the Israelis make the best electronic components and software. The French are about a half-gen behind.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:50 No.10666701

    just piss off you stupid mouthbreating quota-cripple. You probably graduated from UITM on Mara loan and havent' even paid it back! Your people are lazy scum and you exist off hard earned tax payer money paying off your public-sector-job salary.

    Get a REAL education , get a REAL job that's not a government handout and be a productive member of society like the rest of us.

    fucking parasite
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:50 No.10666705

    No really, what? What does Russia have to do with your planes being downed from taking on rain? Did Russia take over HAARP?

    I'm Canadian for one thing and for another, even a proud patriot like yourself has to admit that a fighter jet that is weaker to rain than to enemy missile attacks is pretty silly and worth a laugh or two.

    F-35 is badass. I'll give you that.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:51 No.10666716
    >just a whining chinese who can't get a decent tertiary education because he failed his SPM and his parents are dirt poor.

    oh i can smell the butthurt all the way here.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666726
    >Build a miniature AWACS with stealth technology.

    Think about that for a minute.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666730
    Yeah, they really should have done something about the stealth paint being WATER FUCKING SOLUBLE

    Also the stealth aspects are kinda dumb considering the F-22's engines give it an IR signature LARGER THAN THE SUN.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666733
    There are always a few stinking Singaporeans on 4chan always talking shit about Malaysia. The bunch of kiasu bastards will not stop at anything till they own the world, give them an inch and now they want a yard, they need to be kick in the groin with the foot.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666741

    This. The IAF is one of the best airforces in the world, period. And its supported by excellent and up-to-date maintenance and independent manufacturing.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666745
    Didn't think france was so far behind. I would have rated them equal with Israel.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:52 No.10666749
    >proud patriot
    Not so proud, my country still uses slavshit from 70's.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:53 No.10666753

    > implying I didn't get 9A in SPM
    > implying you didn't get university place based on your skin colour when you're probably third generation mamak

    Don't you have Perkosa's dick to suck ?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:53 No.10666762
    hurr durr hurr dee hurr

    i bet you are some disgruntled chink teenager who's too poor and dumb to get a scholarship by the government.

    you might talk big here, but I'm the malay with the degree.

    so suck it, chinky.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:53 No.10666763

    They've already thought of this, except more thoroughly and affordably.

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:54 No.10666765
    I know.

    Still, they could have taken the Growler or the Prowler and gone all buttfuck crazy on it.

    The USAF is OBSESSED with fighters. Everything has to be a fighter. Even the ground attack planes. Remember the F-117? Which, btw, WASN'T A FUCKING FIGHTER
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:54 No.10666772
    Smaller than an F-15s, and that's remarkable. You're never going to hide the heat sig anyways, unless you sacrifice performance elsewhere (YF-23)
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:54 No.10666777
    > The IAF is one of the best airforces in the world, period.

    IAF only looks good because its opponents are utterly shit (lol arabs).
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:55 No.10666782
    They do have quite a bit of combat experience thats for sure. I mean considering you can fly the entire length of the country in what...a minute?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)12:55 No.10666783
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    Cock, completely forgot about that, been a hectic couple of weeks, sorry

    But yeah, that's the one I was talking about

    Speaking of which, how are the Air War games going for those of you with their own group?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:56 No.10666816
    The F-35 is not badass.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)12:56 No.10666817
    No prob...I haven't been on since that first week we had it. To busy.

    If i had a group playing a game i'd have been on there every day getting help in running it and talking about the horrible pilots I have.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:56 No.10666823
    Even with supercruise?

    Which apparently was nowhere near as effective or useful as they thought it would be?
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)12:56 No.10666826
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    >prop driven transport
    >Blue Angels

    What? I admit I don't keep up with modern aviation, but this looks silly.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:57 No.10666842

    UITM degree means nothing, because it's a shit university taking in second class trash and give them scroll after three years...

    Think you're hot shit ? You won't survive two weeks working in a REAL company.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:58 No.10666843

    it looks like only dumb chinks come to 4chan.

    >local degree

    ah. haha. hahahahaha. oh man, you are so butthurt. the malay loving government sent me to do my degree in Wales. You want this degree? you want it so much do you? do you?

    well you can't have it. you know why? because you hate us. because of comments like >>10666701

    I will do everything in my power to deny your stupid chink fucks from gaining any goddamn ground in society. Fuck, we should line you up on the beaches and shoot you down like the japs did in Singapore during WW2.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:59 No.10666862

    Other way around. The fact that they regularly train with US and other forces means they kick their neighbours' asses. Check any wargames results that are publicly available in which the IAF participate. They regularly "score" the highest.

    Sure, some are tagged down by US, Russian and a few others, but overall, they plain clean up. Especially in situations where they're outnumbered.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)12:59 No.10666865
    It's called JATO, and was used in the 60s 70s for hot and high operations, as well as short field work. Puts a lot of stress on airframes, so it is not used anymore unless in time of war (and even then, with power increases in aircraft these days, JATO would be rare occurrence)
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)12:59 No.10666873

    You wretched chinese cannot even dominate the economy of your own country Singapore, Taiwan or China.What makes you think you contribute anything to Malaysia ?

    Since many Chinese are too dumb to figure it out, let me spell it out for you: Malaysian economy is generated by state owned corporations ; and to a lesser degree by foreign multinationals. The same goes for Singapore, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Taiwan etc etc etc

    The economy of all nations are generated by their respective governments.

    Don’t even bother telling me the richest Malaysians are Chinese. Malay billionaires like Syed Mokhtar, Daim Zainuddin and SM Nasimuddin are not listed by Forbes simply because their assets are privately held.

    It goes to show that those low profile Malay tycoons are so awash in cash that they did not need to raise more money from the stock market but the most important point is : the wealth of all rich Malaysians are still nothing compared to state controlled assets. Don’t ever forget that.

    I don’t know if all Malays really hate the Chinese but I can tell you this much: You miserable Chinese are only burdensome trash . Your existence in Malaysia only serve to add the number of people the govt has to subsidise. If it isn’t for the Chinese, Malaysia would already be a first world economy.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:00 No.10666884
    ITT: people bicker about planes while one retard has a slapfight with nobody about nothing.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:00 No.10666890
    Oh great. We've got mudniggers and chinks arguing in a military aircraft thread again.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:00 No.10666894
    mmmmmmmmmhhhhh hate (drool)
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:01 No.10666897
    > the malay loving government sent me to do my degree in Wales.

    You so proud that you took the place that could have gone to a more deserving student? Fuck off. You probably only got general degree in Wales too because you are all spoilt and lazy. If you have to compete out in the real world you'll DIE.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:02 No.10666915

    one sentence projecting rebuttal from the chinese.

    brilliant work. are you all this simple?

    you know, I used to care about you folks, I thought that what happened to you guys were unfair. Spending some time with my chinese, ah, acquaintances, as well as internet forums only reveals their megalomaniacal intent and delusions. Hell, you are not for equality, you are just trying to tug the goddamn rug from under our foot and keep it for yourselves? You wanted to take over this place, and make it another China, just like the time when you worked for the Chinese Communist Party.

    You know what, fuck you. I'm going to fight tooth and nail to protect MY soil, and deny you the goddamn advantage in this country. If anything, the government is being too weak and soft and you fucks.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:02 No.10666925
    Supercruise is amazingly useful. Most planes travel at .85 to .91. If you can sit around at 1.10 without burners, you have a huge range advantage, and intercepting becomes much simpler. More sky can be covered with less planes, freeing up other assets to perform strikes. With the new JDAM capability, the F-22 will become the F/A-22, and that's a really scary thought. High Speed, low observable, supercruising penetration precision bombers.

    Supercruise is incredibly useful.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:02 No.10666927
    Take it elsewhere why don't you...
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)13:02 No.10666928
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    Thats what I figured, though with the acrobat teams, you never know.

    They're gonna ruin their nice paintjob that way.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:03 No.10666939

    THERE, my fellow Asians. THIS is your real enemy.

    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:04 No.10666961
    Fat Albert up in this mothafucka
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:04 No.10666969
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    Pic Related, why argue here, go to /int/, this thread is about planes.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:05 No.10666979

    I've heard that Indian pilots wiped the sky with the USAF as well.

    And if the IAF is anything halfway near competent they'll never publish any bad wargame results.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:06 No.10666989
    yes please.

    JDAM? Since when?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:07 No.10667011
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    Too bad about the limited payload though.

    How's your game going btw, Sukhoi? Still doing that Air War RISK-like thing?
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)13:09 No.10667024
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    Given the wargames are international, I don't think they are the ones who gets to decide "oh that was a bad day for us, don't publish that one". Whoever won would certainly want the results published so they could boast.

    But what do I know, I'm just a hobbyist who doesn't give a shit about politics, I just like planes.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:09 No.10667032
    Expect it to be in the next Block, if it ever gets made. The Lockheed teams were marketing it to the Japanese.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:10 No.10667044
    > The capabilities of the Su-30MKM is on par with, or even surpasses, the capabilities of top-of-the-line US fighter jets such as the F-22 Raptor.

    [citation needed]
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:10 No.10667046
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    Malaysia is always plane related
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:12 No.10667078
    Yeah we'll see if they can manage to get funding for another bloc. No possibility of simply upgrading the current batch? And would japan really go for something like that?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:12 No.10667084
    The Russian CIS managed to make it to Germany, with most of Scandinavia, but then bogged down. We called it at that point.

    Our current one is a Fulda Gap scenario. I'm waiting for miniatures at the moment.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:13 No.10667093
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    Japan? Any sign yet of those export bans getting lifted in the forseeable future?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:14 No.10667113
    No wonder the cuntbadgers shut up about developing their own stealth fighter/getting the Typhoon.

    Slant eyes have always wanted to get their Nip hooks on the F-22
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:14 No.10667126
    >Fulda Gap scenario

    Ooh interesting. Air and ground or just air?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:15 No.10667136

    Unlike your miserable chinese people, Malays don't need to swarm other countries just to make a buck.

    We have made our country good enough to live and work in despite burdensome chinese who only know how to betray Malaysia and then open their lazy asses for Malays to feed.

    Whatever few Malay professionals temporarily working in wealthy countries prefer not to be associated with your sissy race who are labelled as gooks by some white majority.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:15 No.10667138

    They don't get a choice in it, if it's say, been declassified by the US military.

    And yeah, that 2005 engagement with the Indian airforce was a clusterfuck. The US assumed that their planes and pilots were superior and failed to compensate for the numerical superiority that the Indians were assigned. The Indians took one look at the situation and just dogpiled the Americans with tactics that the USAF quite frankly should have seen coming. If I recall correctly, the rest of the exercise involved mixing Indian and US pilots so they could learn from each other.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:15 No.10667139
    The current bay is very shallow, they have to move a lot of stuff around to fit in significant systems. A new munition however could fit in the bay.

    If you put external stores on, then the F-22 already has the capability, but loses the Low Observable and most supercruise abilities (it still has some.) There are better, less expensive aircraft to use as a bomb truck though.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:16 No.10667160
    Malaysian MiG-29 pilots have defeated the USN regularly, US pilots are pretty shit.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:17 No.10667164
    No, the F-22 is still not for foreign sale. Which is a shame. The Canadian Air Force would love to have them, it's a far superior choice than the JSF. Australia would kill for the damn things as well.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:17 No.10667168

    Not to mention that the IAF intentionally trains in situations where they're outnumbered, outgunned and short on munitions, unlike the US.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:17 No.10667173
    For the record -during a no of joint air exercise with allies -RMAF Migs have performed well against F16/FA18s.

    Case in point:

    STARFISH and MAJOR ADEX exercise:
    RMAF Migs have gained a no of VFR 'killed'against RAAF FA18 and RSAF F16C/D.

    RTAF F16 OCU - also have been killed by the NO 17/19 sqn pilots during the AIRTHAMAL exercise.

    On average Migs scored a stunning 4:1 kill ratio against similar a/c in VFR engagements (using guns,IR missiles and HMD)-and slightly lower 2:1 kill ratio against similar a/c in BVR sorties (using AA10/AA12).

    But of course Malaysian Migs - also suffered a kill or two against a highly experienced F16s pilots from USAF...etc.The most killed was achieved by the USAF F16C ALASKA ANG-during a joint exercise in Kuantan.They need the exposure since they would be the first sqn to face the Migs if war to broke out between US/Russia.Overall RMAF MIgs driver could deliver if the need ever arise.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:18 No.10667178
    Yeah thats what I thought. Still it would help the F22s selling point if it could do more than just knock fighters out of the sky.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:19 No.10667192
    By the time ausfalia/singapork receive inferior shitty JSF, Malaysia will have acquired next generation PAK-FA
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:19 No.10667199
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    Wouldn't new bays require a significant redesign?

    Anyway, I thought JDAMs already fit, even if there's only two of them.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:20 No.10667210
    You do realize that a single Carrier Battlegroup has more Fighter aircraft than your entire air force, right?

    Or that the Malaysian Air Force has no real long range strike capability? Or AAR? Or AEWACS?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:20 No.10667223
    God thats a sexy pic.

    They might fit already...if you left the bay doors open.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:21 No.10667234

    No, they don't. Just ignore the limp-dicked nationalistic extremists, its the only way to get rid of them.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:22 No.10667241
    JDAM is a generic term for the guidance kit. The munition itself determines whether or not you can fit it into the bay.

    The F-22 bay could be reshaped to fit a larger variety of A/G ordnance.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:23 No.10667256
    >You do realize that a single Carrier Battlegroup has more Fighter aircraft than your entire air force, right?

    To bad they are crewed by incompetents.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:24 No.10667277
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    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:24 No.10667285

    > VFR

    GTFO. In a REAL war you'd all shot down BVR and you know it. go troll /k/, we're SMART people here.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:24 No.10667286
    Firstly, you're arguing with Sukhoi, which is always a losing proposition.

    Second, the training the USN has for it's pilots is Second to None.

    Third, your pilots get pounced all the time, in every exercise they fight in.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:25 No.10667291
    I recall a story about the first batch of F-22s the French received had a mishap in midair and the pilot was forced to land with the cock pit exposed and literally the entire wind torn off. The plane was flyable even after the canopy and wing were destroyed because the body of the plane allowed for enough lift to control the plane to a safe landing.
    >> Ghost !4u16FlNpwo 06/22/10(Tue)13:25 No.10667293
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    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:25 No.10667300

    He mad.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:25 No.10667302
    The French have never received the F-22.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:26 No.10667327
    Was it the F-16 then?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:27 No.10667339
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    RMAF MIG-29 in Exercise

    MIG-29N(9.12SD)with Topaz radar(N019M),TACAN and ICAO and IFF they also got wiring for R-77, A-A refuelling, some new TWS mode for radar (2 targets can be attacked simultaneously with RVV-AE), as well as some kind of Gardenya internal jammer and one LCD in cockpit installed

    MAJOR ADEX exercise:
    RMAF Migs have gained a number of VFR 'killed'against RAAF FA18 and RSAF F16C/D.

    *the results are old, the outcome would be diffrent by now*
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:27 No.10667341

    He so mad.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:27 No.10667343
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    You know what I meant :P

    But yeah, getting some bigger ordnance in there would definitely be an improvement
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:27 No.10667353
    > Firstly, you're arguing with Sukhoi, which is always a losing proposition.

    [citation needed]

    > Second, the training the USN has for it's pilots is Second to None.

    [citation needed]

    > Third, your pilots get pounced all the time, in every exercise they fight in.

    [citation needed]

    I'm sorry, just because he's an idiotic troll does NOT give you the right to make unbased statements as well.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:28 No.10667356
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    Churinga 96 Exercise :

    The MiG-29 Fulcrum is at this time regionally deployed by Malaysia and India. The aircraft, which was designed to challenge the F-15A in Warpac airspace, has acquitted itself well in recent Malaysian IADS exercises with the RAAF. Numerous reports indicate that the 77 SQN deployment to the Churinga 96 Exercise led to the "scoring" defeat of the RAAF contigent by the RMAF MiG-29/Archer force. While the MiG-29 has combat radius performance inferior to the F/A-18, it has superlative agility and is an excellent dogfighter by any standard


    Then they went back and buy some AIM-120B AMRAAM

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:29 No.10667371
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    Fly Fish exercises 2003

    First event - Close air combat
    Our pilots manage to shutdown 20 - 0 Harrier until the RAF pilots do not want to continue this CaC exercise.

    Second event - BVR engagements
    Since Harrier was equip with powerfully Blue Eyes Radar and AMRAAN and our MiG29N has equip with Topaz and Alamo it was NOT a fair fight. Our MiG has lost in BVR engagements.
    ps: They really take it hard those brits

    It was not a fair fight since our Radar can't match Blue Eyes Radar. The step has been taken to improving the BVR capability by upgrading this aircraft to SMT standard with have more powerfully Zhuk - M Radar, Hotas and upgrading Data Bus and new engine. As for BVR missile R77 - Adder, Malaysia won't introduce this missile into this region. On others case our pilots has manage to shutdown numbers of F16. This meaning our MiG29N still relevant and could match F16 Block 52
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:29 No.10667383

    You're right, except for this one.

    >Firstly, you're arguing with Sukhoi, which is always a losing proposition.
    >[citation needed]

    The citation is in the rest of the thread. Solid, easily verifiable data out the nose in every one of sukhoi's posts.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:30 No.10667392
    When I think JDAM i always think big. Plus it'd be nice to get some second generation(or is it third?) F22s out to play with.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:30 No.10667401
    >>not a fair fight

    Welcome to war
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:31 No.10667407

    > (given that Malaysia's existence as an independent state is the result of at least two Commonwealth interventions on its behalf, these statements show an extraordinary forgetfulness of recent history

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:32 No.10667427
    >It was not a fair fight since our Radar can't match Blue Eyes Radar.

    So what you are saying is that in an initial engagement, your air force would be wiped out by any Western force in the opening five minutes?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:32 No.10667434

    If you look back to history of military exercise, RMAF MiG-29N has mostly defeat the F-18 and F-16. Malaysian MiG-29's, upgraded with recent Russian and Western technology, fought mock air battles with Australia's F/A-18A Hornets. The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles in both medium and short range combat.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:33 No.10667456
    Sukhoi is pretty much THE source for Modern Military Air War tactics and performance. I've never known her to be grossly wrong in any aspect.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:33 No.10667457

    ...which they'd never GET to in decent numbers, on account of losing the LONG range combat.

    You know? The basis of all opening moves in an air campaign?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:35 No.10667481

    RMAF hornets are equipped with the more advanced AGP-73 radar and better engines than the RAAF Hornet or Singapore F-16/F-15

    RMAF MIG-29s, are using the NO-019ME Topaz radar.With this radar and the R-77 MiG-29N can engage 2 targets at the same time.

    Su-30MKM, BARS radar, no need to say anything else.

    With this, Malaysia has a clear edge in BVR combat compared to its neighbours.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:35 No.10667484

    Yeah, like I said. You'd be raped BVR, so your l337 Ace Combat skillz mean dick. Now go away, troll.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:35 No.10667488
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:37 No.10667508

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:37 No.10667518
    >The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles

    Yeah, I remember this exercise. The Malaysians had Awacs, the Australians did not (acting as aggressors). The Australian F-18As were simulating Chinese fighters, and were therfor had there radar performance degraded, and their missile lock functions reduced by 30 percent across the board. The Malaysians had 8 aircraft aloft, to the Australian four. And the Malaysians wiped out the australians, with six 'losses' on their own side. So the kill tally, kill ration, and all the other important things mean that despite a ridiculous advantage, the Malaysians lost strategically.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:38 No.10667524
    BVR missile are all weather these days correct? Or are they still limited in that sense? If the weather was in their favor the RMAF might stand a chance of getting into close combat.

    Just postulating
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:38 No.10667535

    Ahahahaaha. Thank you for much needed context.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:38 No.10667538
    Australia/Singapork military equipments is no match for Malaysia, QUALITY or QUANTITY.

    RMAF 18 Su-30MKM Flanker + 8 F-18D > RAAF 70 F-18 + RSAF 24 F-15G + 70 F-16
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:39 No.10667554
    > Malaysia Strong

    > Submarine that can't dive
    > Army that can't keep their rifles secure from Islamoterrorists
    > Air Force that "loses" jet engines

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:40 No.10667565
    gonna skip most of the herpderp maylasia crap to say

    there's been updates over at the P&M forum.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:40 No.10667570
    I know you enjoy this trolling, but the Australian Hornets use the APG-73 as well, and have the newer software release in them. So I'm not sure why you think your aircraft have an advantage over the Aussies.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:41 No.10667584

    Stop pwning the troll with facts, I kinda feel bad for him.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:41 No.10667589
    I need to just man up and get back over there. You guys work out a suitable RPG element?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:42 No.10667594
    Bullshit lies. Firstly, why would the Malaysians flying MiG-29 (Eastern bloc fighters) and the Australian flying Hornet (Western fighter) be the one simulating Chinese aircraft? Makes no sense. Secondly, Malaysia does not have AWACS.

    You're probably talking about Singaporean aircraft, they have AWACS (E-2C) and they are proven terrible pilots (their F-16 lose to Indian AF Su-30MKI numerous times) and poor showing in other international exercises like Red Flag and Pitch Black,

    Singaporkians (like Australians) are pigs in and out of the cockpit, even with their F-15 is no match for RMAF MiG-29.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:42 No.10667602
    I have to agree. The wargame results that get published rarely show the briefing, or the exercise scenario.

    People find the kill counts, and then jump to conclusions.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:44 No.10667621
    I'm really bored and I'm on leave.
    >> Pants 06/22/10(Tue)13:44 No.10667622
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    This thread is so delicious.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:44 No.10667623

    You guys actually have a forum for this? Linkplzox
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:44 No.10667628
    Australian and Singapore 'Pilots' are mere punks, think they're Tom Cruise in TG - They're better at shopping then ACM ... i mean, some are known for checking their hairdo after takin their bone domes off .... i know, don't ask me how i know, but i do - RSAF RAAF 'jocks' are sissy - Only RMAF Fighter Pilots hv e 'Berani Mati' spirit - singapore and australia punks r just livin out childhood fantasies n wud piss a puddle in their panties when the push comes to CQ dogfighting
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)13:45 No.10667652
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    Holy shit, MiG-28s!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:45 No.10667655


    >RMAF MiG-29N has mostly defeat the F-18 and F-16. Malaysian MiG-29's, upgraded with recent Russian and Western technology, fought mock air battles with Australia's F/A-18A Hornets. The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles in both medium and short range combat.


    >If you look back to history of military exercise, RMAF MiG-29N has mostly defeat the F-18 and F-16. Malaysian MiG-29's, upgraded with recent Russian and Western technology, fought mock air battles with Australia's F/A-18A Hornets. The MiGs succeeded in downing all of the Australian Hornets during simulated air combat battles in both medium and short range combat.

    So... basically, not only are you retarded, but you're copy-and-pasting as well?

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:46 No.10667661

    Depends. I have a game up and running, with three missions done by my players. mine's got more of an ace combat feel to it, mostly because my players (I have three now, I started with two) started in an F-14 and an F-16, so I had to drop a lot of restrictions on weaponry and such so they could complete missions (the third player is also in an F-16, so I'm still kind of ignoring a lot of real-world restrictions in favor of having fun)

    But my campaign is also soley based around the flight part of the game, there's no ground module, so to speak, plus all my rules are being tweaked and changed, as my players discover broken combos and I unbreak them.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:46 No.10667662

    You've been consistenly pwnt with facts over and over again. Your posts have been shown to a neutral observer as pure shit. Give up. You're being an embarassment to all the decent Malaysian anons who just like planes , and those who like tabletop games.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:46 No.10667669

    More lulz
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:47 No.10667684
    I don't understand this hatred Malaysians have for Australia and Singapore, given that these two countries are military allies of theirs and would be the first to come to Malaysia's aid if the Indonesians ever got tired of being trolled 24/7 by the Malays.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:48 No.10667690

    >RMAF hornets are equipped with the more advanced AGP-73 radar and better engines than the RAAF Hornet or Singapore F-16/F-15

    RMAF MIG-29s, are using the NO-019ME Topaz radar.With this radar and the R-77 MiG-29N can engage 2 targets at the same time.

    With this, Malaysia has a clear edge in BVR combat compared to its neighbours.


    >RMAF hornets are equipped with the more advanced AGP-73 radar and better engines than the RAAF Hornet or Singapore F-16/F-15

    RMAF MIG-29s, are using the NO-019ME Topaz radar.With this radar and the R-77 MiG-29N can engage 2 targets at the same time.

    With this, Malaysia has a clear edge in BVR combat compared to its neighbours.

    Wow, it's like you're not even trying! And neither am I!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:49 No.10667697
    >on leave


    Are you...

    Goddamit Sukhoi, you are turning into a personal fetish fantasy for me.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:49 No.10667705
    Hmm...yeah i've gotta get back in there to see what you all have been up to. Not likely i'll be starting up a game any time soon considering i'm trying to get out of GMing several OTHER games due to time constraints.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:50 No.10667718
    Thanks guys, I needed a good laugh
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:50 No.10667725
    ITT: armchair generals circle jerking over which country has the best airplanes

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:51 No.10667733

    >Fly Fish exercises 2003
    First event - Close air combat
    Our pilots manage to shutdown 20 - 0 Harrier until the RAF pilots do not want to continue this CaC exercise.
    Second event - BVR engagements
    Since Harrier was equip with powerfully Blue Eyes Radar and AMRAAN and our MiG29N has equip with Topaz and Alamo it was NOT a fair fight. Our MiG has lost in BVR engagements.
    ps: They really take it hard those brits


    [b]First event - Close air combat [/b]
    Our pilots manage to shutdown 20 – 0 Harrier until the RAF pilots do not want to continue this CaC exercise.
    [b]Second event – BVR engagements [/b]
    Since Harrier was equip with powerfully [b]Blue Eyes Radar and AMRAAN[/b] and our MiG29N has equip with Topaz and Alamo it was NOT a fair fight. Our MiG has lost in BVR engagements.
    ps: They really take it hard those brits :P
    [b]Conclusions [/b]
    I was a fair fight since our Radar can’t match Blue Eyes Radar. The step has been taken to improving the BVR capability by upgrading this aircraft to SMT standard with have more powerfully Zhuk - M Radar, Hotas and upgrading Data Bus and new engine. As for BVR missile R77 – Adder, Malaysia won’t introduce this missile into this region. On others case our pilots has manage to shutdown numbers of F16. This meaning our MiG29N still relevant and could match F16 Block 52
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)13:51 No.10667744
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    Gotta admit, the Tiger looks pretty sexy in "evil badguy" black.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:51 No.10667748

    Don't be fooled by the troll.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:52 No.10667757
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    I remember the argument on the pandm thread where some idiot insisted later model Phantoms didn't have an Internal gun.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:52 No.10667767
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    You are all Small Time
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:53 No.10667772

    And you're so much better with your multiple warhammer threads that only regurgitate that same scifi shit over and over?
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)13:53 No.10667781
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    No, its a camera you fool, you don't understand!

    Or whatever he was insisting.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:53 No.10667788

    goddamn. yeah, that it does.

    'course, it's a sexy bird altogether anyway
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:55 No.10667810
    Yep, until I posted that photo.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)13:55 No.10667818
    Here Here!

    Not a great weapons hauler but its a snazzy little plane.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:56 No.10667827
    Even the Canucks kick Malaysias ass.

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:56 No.10667830
    That excercise was Singapork F-16 vs F-18. At that time only Singapork has AWAC among the three country (Australia, Malaysia and Singapork)

    Anymore bullshit?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:56 No.10667842
    Where does the US and Canadian Air Forces stand in all your guyses bullshit? Or am I going to get a biased half-assed opinions from a bunch of retard trolls who's countries are stuck with cast-away American and Soviet Cold War era fighter jets?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)13:57 No.10667851
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    Been hammering out some stuff, WoD based, but haven't had a lot of time for it lately.

    It's all up on the forum though.

    Also, shitty copypastas are shitty
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:57 No.10667858

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)13:58 No.10667881
    US Air Force is fantastic, in terms of technology and training. Canadian Air Force is woefully under-equipped, but has decent pilots IMHO.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)13:59 No.10667886

    Finally, this EXACT POST was made in the last thread you fucking retard mudniggers shat up.


    Conclusion (based on actual facts and demonstrated evidence no less!):

    You're unoriginal and incapable of rational, analytic thought and civilized discussion, instead relying on previously made copypasta that are unsupported and devoid of context in the hopes of drowning your opponent in a sea of impressive-sounding wordswordswords. What's more, it only sounds impressive to you. To us it sounds like a 12-year old typing with their forehead and seems obviously wrong in some way because of a lack of context, citations (lol) and direct engagement with your conversational partner.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:00 No.10667902
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    Best American plane the Americans never really used. (But Exported the hell out of to anyone who wanted one and the US even remotely liked).

    And at 2mil a pop, it is a nice package.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:00 No.10667907
    >>who's countries are stuck with cast-away American and Soviet Cold War era fighter jets?

    Countries like Ausfalia and Singaypoor, who are using 1970s era F-18 and F-15.

    Malaysia is actually using modern aircraft (Su-30MKM)
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:01 No.10667922

    Yeeeaaaaap. Our biggest contribution is theory and design. Let the people with money find out if it'll actually work. :P
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:01 No.10667923
    It kind of is. There have been some pretty epic shutdowns.

    Sukhoi vs the JSF
    Sukhoi vs US BVR strategy
    Phantom Dude vs No Cannon Guy
    Rus SAMs Guy vs US lo-obs A/c
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:02 No.10667946
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    >1970s era F-18 and F-15.

    Oh sure the design might originally be from the 70s. But I'm very sure they're thoroughly modernized.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:03 No.10667950

    Canada just doesn't want to waste billions flexing its penis.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:04 No.10667965
    Which is too bad, considering we built potentially the sexiest, fastest interceptor of the Cold War.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:04 No.10667973

    I seem to recall that the F-20 was roughly equivalent to an early F-16, but it got the axe when congress decided it'd be ok to export 16s, and they couldn't find any buyers for it.

    and there was the X-29, wasn't that based on an F5 airframe?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:04 No.10667975
    Malaysia has the most capable and effective air force in the Southeast Asia.

    Our training, professionalism, combat experience and equipment exceed those of the so called first world country like Australia and Singapore.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:05 No.10667976
    Don't our Air Forces work extremely close together?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:05 No.10667984

    Oh, we do. We just don't HAVE those billions. The military budget just isn't the primary one on the Department of Finance's agenda. Sometimes it just gets scraps.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:06 No.10668002
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    The Arrow?


    Yeah that was too bad, its potentially Heresy, but I think the F-5/F-20 looks sexier than the F-16.


    If you say so.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:07 No.10668018

    As much as I love planes I can't justify their immense cost for a country like Canada who's main military action is most peace keeping.

    Although it would be nice to have our own air force in Afghanistan as I'm sure they wouldn't shoot our own troops nearly as much as the Americans.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:07 No.10668020
    Then again, you're under the Nuclear US Umbrella so you're not exactly a hot target.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:07 No.10668027

    The F-5 is a goddamn sexy beast, PERIOD.


    Wait, you're Canadian?! Holy shit!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:09 No.10668046

    nah, I agree.

    'course, I also think the YF-23 and T-50 look loads better than the 22. not that looks determine much of anything, but still.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:10 No.10668059
    Canada's biggest problem with obtaining and fielding aircraft is that we're buying 8-9 digit american models when we could easily make do with, say, something homemade or russian.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:11 No.10668068
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    Yes, where did you think I was from?

    Our military is not a peacekeeping force. Arctic Sovereignty is a huge reason to have a good Air Force.

    Yes. Pic Related.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:11 No.10668078
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:12 No.10668090
    Sexy beast is still sexy even though it never got produced...actually I think it only enhanced the sexy.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:13 No.10668115

    >Arctic Sovereignty

    Who is going to invade the arctic. I mean, I know you guys love to circle jerk about whose military are better, but really? In this day and age no one wants to fight wars against anyone that isn't a third world country, and maybe China but no one likes those dicks.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:13 No.10668122
    We will never buy Russian, no matter how good the equipment is. Buying the American designs helps our own aerospace industry, since we develop a lot of stuff for them, notably powerplants. And the Arrow showed that while we could build our own product, when we were one of the biggest economies on the planet, it still drank money and it was cheaper to buy from the Americans. (I still hate to see the Arrow die)
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:15 No.10668156
    considering how fast the arctic is becoming a lake for a good chunk of the year it could potentially become a major trade route which would make Canada a major player in said trade route. I'd say its a valid reason to make sure that military is in good running order with decent tech.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)14:15 No.10668167
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    Wow, sexy pic
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:17 No.10668190
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:17 No.10668192
    Has that Malay guy left yet?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:17 No.10668203

    Goddamnit, don't tempt fate.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:17 No.10668204
    That weirdly shaped tail is the only part of the F20 I dislike.

    And yeah the arrow was pretty sweet. I guess the question is...if it had been produced would it still be in service?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:18 No.10668209
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    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:18 No.10668212
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    Just ignore them.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:18 No.10668223
    If you want to get to America, you either get them through the Arctic or you go through Latin America.

    Going through the Pacific or Atlantic ocean is an act of suicide because of the US's Naval superiority. However if you can get a mainland access though the north or south you can get straight to the heartland of America.

    This is what Canada and Mexico have to fear and this is why we will always be on friendly terms.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:19 No.10668226

    that an F-CK-1? don't see pictures of them too often.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:20 No.10668249
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    You mean the thing at the base of the tail? Otherwise it looks pretty close to the F-5 tail.

    As for the Arrow, probably not, at least not with Canada. Not many early 60s jets in service with nations like the US and Canada anymore.

    But I could be wrong.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)14:20 No.10668251
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    Talking about the bird or the chick?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:23 No.10668301
    That and the fact that it looks more triangular than the F5s tail. Stubby looking too for some reason though that could just be me.

    Well how long did the US keep the Delta Dagger/Dart in service with Air National Guard units? Early 80s?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:24 No.10668330
    Because if so, I'd like to ask a question. You fellows seem pretty knowledgeable about the CF. How good is the Malaysian Air Force, really, in comparison to others in the region? Because I find it hard to believe they can be better than the Aussies who have actually taken part in combat operations over Iraq, or any other country that uses Western aircraft for that matter.

    Also, what's the opinion on Taiwan's Ching Kuo?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:29 No.10668410
    Let me put it this way, the Avro Arrow was so advanced, the CIA's super secret U2 project was worried about it to the point of advising the USAF not to buy any.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:30 No.10668431
    Pretty much a failure, as far as the Taiwanese were concerned. The AIDC was pretty much built as a platform for indigeniously developed Skysword missile (Taiwan didn't have access to the AMRAAM then) and because fighter aircraft were pretty hard (and still are) for the Taiwanese to obtain, since the PRC would apply pressure on any supplier. The French, who have a poor reputation for selling their customers out, more or less left the Taiwanese Mirage 2000s hanging on limb.

    So Taiwan basically got the F-20 design, dusted it off, and tried to put it into mass production as a cheap reliable light fighter. Tried, because it just wasn't very good- engine was underpowered and avionics weren't great.

    The fact that they have more or less given up on the type, procuring less than 200, was also because the US okayed the sale of additional F-16s and the AIM-120 to Taiwan, making the Ching Kuo redundant.

    It is pretty similar to the story of the Lavi, except it actually got built.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:31 No.10668452
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    Also forgot to mention, the Arrow's performance was amazing, and that was without the Iroquois engine, which would have pushed the Arrow even further.

    I'd like to think that had the US bought the Arrow, it would have been upgraded constantly (the plans for the Mk III and what not were on paper at the time of the cancellation)

    Pictured is what the Arrow may well have ended up being today.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:31 No.10668453
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    Can you elaborate on that? Sounds interesting.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:32 No.10668460
    Personally I think the Ching Kuo, in its current version, was a suitable replacement for the F20/F16s that they could have bought at that time. They appear to be sub par now though since they're not up to the standards of the current generation of the F16.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:33 No.10668474
    Let me haul out my Arrow books and see if I can scan them.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:33 No.10668490
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    >So Taiwan basically got the F-20 design, dusted it off, and tried to put it into mass production as a cheap reliable light fighter. Tried, because it just wasn't very good- engine was underpowered and avionics weren't great.

    Awww. I hop you mean their home brew version. I like to think the F-20 could've been awesome.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)14:35 No.10668517
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    Oh, no need to go that far, really.

    Anyone remember when we had that game of finding certain American/western fighters escorting everyone's favorite Russian bomber?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:36 No.10668547

    I'll never understand this "WELL IF SOMEONE INVADED THE US" argument because it's not going to happen. With the amount of information being freely given to most people in powerful countries it's going to be near impossible to dupe a country into going to war with another first world nation. Not to mention Alaska is up there too so it's not like the Americans don't have their shit setup to wave their penis in the face of the Russians.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:38 No.10668568
    If the Arrow could have been that awesome i'd enjoy reading more about them...though I don't know if scanning your books on the subject would be appropriate. Titles and authors would be nice though.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:38 No.10668571

    it could have been. Sexy (though, not as sexy as the drakken), light, fairly cheap, and multirole (ish).
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:38 No.10668576
    As for the Royal Malaysian Air Force, they're definitely one of the modern forces in Southeast Asia.

    On paper.

    In reality, while their pilots aren't that bad, the RMAF is a veritable clusterfuck quite typical of most third world air forces, hamstrung by idiotic politics, a retarded procurement system and fuck awful logistics, with plenty of corruption going around. Its a national joke, and most Malaysians would be the first to tell you.

    The list of failures will take more than one post to elaborate on, so you'll have to wait.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:38 No.10668578
    The F-20 would have been a very strong fighter. The best way to approach the F-20 is to see it as a cheaper alternative to the F-16, with similar capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:40 No.10668604
    Oh ho, this should be good.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:42 No.10668627
    I'd like to think the US would be using the F20 now if it had gone into production. Not sure if it would have gotten the kind of upgrades the Falcon has over the years but it i'd wager it would still be a capable fighter. Probably be relegated to Air National Guard units by now though.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:44 No.10668657

    Probably. Honestly, the 16 isn't a bad aircraft, but IIRC lockheed/general dynamics did some pretty shady things to get it selected over the F20- including supposedly selling modified 16s at a loss to the navy for their dissimilar aggressor squadron to keep the F20 out of the role.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)14:44 No.10668664
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    Probably my favourite Arrow Image of all time.
    >> Pants 06/22/10(Tue)14:45 No.10668672

    I seem to remember a story about them having a whole plane stolen right from under their noses by some national thieves or something like that.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:46 No.10668695

    Fisheries, oil, natural gas, other natural resources, military bases, environmental protection claims.

    There's nothing accessible in the Arctic NOW. Arctic Sovereignty is about defending our rights to what WILL be up there in the future. Canada has been in minor diplomatic scuffles about all of the above outside of the arctic, so when world resources run out, we have to have a basis to our claim to the 1.3 million square miles of the Arctic that we have.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)14:51 No.10668774
    Competition on the Mega Corporation level is often like that sadly.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)14:55 No.10668821
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    I'll start with the story of the Malaysian Skyhawk, apt given the OP, and also because it took place at the beginning of the administration of Malaysian Prime Minister Dr. Mahathir Mohammed in 1981, since this was when the RMAF's troubles really started. You might remember Dr. Mohammed as the guy who started ranting and raving about how 6million Jews ruled the world by proxy at the OIC conference back in 2003.

    At the time (1980) Malaysia had just agreed to buy about 88 ex-USN A-4C airframes, which Grumman was going to be refurbish. The order got cut down to 40 due to inflation (lol) and the sale went on. They were duly delivered in 1986-1987.

    By 1994, the type had been completely phased out after less than 9 years of service. Reason? Lack of spares, and lousy maintainence by the locals, plus the RMAF had decided to go shopping once again and was expected to take delievery of a new type of aircraft (I'll explain later) and the A-4 had been made redundant. If anyone knows anyone who was at RAAF Butterworth during that period, you can ask them- the Aussies were among the first the Malaysians turned to to help solve the problems.

    This extremely short service life contrasts with the A-4 Skyhawks in neighbouring Singapore, which the Singaporeans upgraded with the J-79 engine (this caused them some problems at first but they managed to fix it) and kept flying from 1973 to 2005 before being retired. And of course, there was the RNZAF which in quite a remarkable feat kept their Kahus operational from 1970 to 2001. Basically, every air force that could- the Israelis, the Argentines, etc- kept the A-4 flying for as long as possible, it was that good an aircraft. But Malaysia ditched it after less than a decade.

    That's a RMAF A4PTM rusting away there. They were basically towed out and left to rot by the airfields. Some are still there today.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/22/10(Tue)15:05 No.10668991
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    What an ignoble end for a fine early jet.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:08 No.10669032

    Did you ever see that CBC docu-drama on the Arrow? It looked nice in colour, I must say.
    >> Sergeant Major Alexandros III !lV90Sa1jWw 06/22/10(Tue)15:08 No.10669034
    >the Argentines, etc- kept the A-4 flying for as long as possible

    We have about 36 A-4ARs, of which around 6-8 are in flying conditions due to lack of spare parts and maintenance, same reasons we did not have a tank parade in our bicentennial.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:10 No.10669062
    Some time in the mid-1980s the Malaysians had inked a deal with the UK for the sale of Hawk and Tornados. The idea was that the Tornado would replace the Skyhawk in the strike role and the Hawk in the trainer role. Note that they bought two types to replace one, which will be a common feature of Malaysian aircraft procurement in the coming years.

    While the Hawks were eventually delivered, the deal for the Tornado fell through. The deal dragged on until the 90s (another common Malaysian trait, they'd announce they would purchase something and not have the money to pay for some years, by which time they would either lose interest or the system in question would be obsolescent.) This also had a lot to do with politics, particularly Mahathir's politics. I'll explain.

    Malaysia had always been a staunch opponent of communism (having had an insurgency of their own) and was rabidly anti-Chinese, Soviet and Vietnamese. This placed them firmly in the Western camp for most of the Cold War. However, the 90s rolled along and the threat disappeared overnight.

    Mahathir has always been an outspoken defender of Malay-Muslim rights, and wanted to establish Malaysia as a leading nation in the Islamic world. This meant that they couldn't be too chummy with the West.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:13 No.10669101

    Furthermore, Malaysia has traditionally never had a strong external conventional threat after the Confrontation with Indonesia, so they have never apportioned a large amount to defence. In 2000 their budget was about 2% of GDP, about US$2.7 billion. Singapore during the same time period spend about $4.2b and Australia about $12.6b. Also, since the primary mission of the Malaysian Armed Forces was counter insurgency, most of the money went to the army. So they've always been hard on cash to some extent.

    The way around this was barter trade. Malaysia is a primary producer of lots of useful agricultural produce like palm oil, and what better way to kill two birds with one stone but to pay using that? Good for the domestic economy, and you get expensive aircraft on the cheap.

    Problem is, as you may have guessed, Western countries don't really go for that. Remember how in 2006 Thailand tried offering Sweden chickens in exchange for Gripens (this came around the time of the bird flu, lol).

    But there was one type of people who would accept barter payment.

    So, in 1994, the Malaysians went and bought 17 MiG-29s from newly democratic and totally not communist Russia.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)15:19 No.10669211
    >>chickens in exchange for Gripens

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:26 No.10669350
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    The MiG-29N/NUB entered service with the RMAF in 1995.

    I suppose by now you can guess how long the type lasted with the RMAF before being retired.

    14 years. They were retired last year.

    There was several reasons for this. As I'm sure everyone knows, while much more rugged than their Western counterparts and capable of taking punishment such as taking off from unprepared airfields etc, Russian aircraft are much more expansive to upkeep in the long run. WARPACT strategy did not anticipate most aircraft would be in service for long periods. While you'd average something like 20,000 hours from a Western jet engine before it needed replacement, the equivalent Russian one would go to shit after about 7,000.

    Also, the Russians are really terrible at customer support compared to Western manufacturers. Mikoyan basically dumped the Fulcrums on Malaysia and laughed their way to the bank (or palm oil refinery, as the case was.)

    And lastly, the scheming Russians basically screwed over the Malaysians. They had been promised new build aircraft.

    What they got were old MiG-29As given a brand new coat of paint, a little servicing and a new designation before being inflicted on the unsuspecting Malaysians.

    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:35 No.10669507
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    They eventually got the Gripens, just not by trading chickens lol.


    The understandably infuriated Malaysians by this point decided to opt for a Western design for their next aircraft. The Hawk was proving inadequate to meet their requirements in the strike role (in addition to having an extremely high attrition rate, I'll explain later) and through the mid-90s there was the real fear that the Chinese would make a grab on Malaysian claims in the South China Sea like the Spratley Islands. So they needed a maritime strike fighter with enough range and capable of carrying the AGM-84 Harpoon in the anti-shipping role.

    Malaysia decided to go with the F/A-18D, despite Mahathir's dislike of the West. Boeing had made the deal even sweeter by offering to set up their Asia-Pacific centre of operations in Malaysia, which would have gotten rid of the perennial problem of maintainence.

    So the RMAF acquired 8 Hornets in 1997. This was one of their smarter buys, and they were feeling pretty chuffed with themselves, so they announced they were going to buy more- up to at least two or three squadrons worth.

    Unfortunately, several things happened.
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    I'm sorry, but I laughed at this.

    Love the Fulcrum though, especially the Swift's paint job.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)15:38 No.10669558
    >>unfortunately, several things happened

    They ran out of chickens?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)15:39 No.10669587
    Great paintjob indeed

    Didn't Sukhoi paint some of here minis in that particular scheme?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:40 No.10669603
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    Yeah, I believe so, I think it was because I posted some pictures of them in one or two of the P&M threads.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)15:45 No.10669717
    The first was the big Asian economic crisis of 1997, which pretty much gutted every Southeast Asian country except for Singapore. Malaysia was hit especially hard by it, and Mahathir raged long and hard at the Jewish financier George Soros whom he blamed for setting off the crisis. This would put on hold any plans for new aircraft for the next decade at least.

    The second, beginning in 1998, was a renewed period of bilateral tension with Singapore, largely set off by Mahathir's big mouth. Basically, in order to distract the population from economic or domestic problems, a common Malaysian political tactic is to bash Singapore, (much like how Japan is bashed in China and South Korea) a traditional rival filled to the brim with the hated Zionist Chinese. Mahathir, among other things, blamed Singapore for not doing enough to help its neighbours during the difficulty, along with other accusations of Jewry. Eventually the word "war" started being thrown about by Malaysian politicians, and Mahathir had a nasty surprise.

    I'll let him explain in his own words, from this video interview he gave a few years ago.


    >...(the) MIGs are given, are sold to us without any condition, if you feel like bombing Singapore, for example, the Russians are not going to object.

    >But this great aircraft called F-18, which we bought from America, after buying it, after several months, I got to know that this aircraft cannot be used for any attacks against any country, even if this is not Singapore.

    And ff course, the Great Satan would not let its Zionist puppet state Singapork fall to the dirty Malaysians. Cue rage.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/22/10(Tue)15:47 No.10669760
    So why couldn't the Hornets be used for strike missions against other countries? Aside from possible retaliation.
    >> Passing Writefag 06/22/10(Tue)15:53 No.10669874
    ...I wish to flex my penis now. It sounds badass.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)15:55 No.10669909
    probably a stipulation for buying them.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:06 No.10670079
    The fact that most of the armament for US made fighters in the region was being held in the hands of the USAF on Guam, and would only be released to the combatants in wartime- and if the US didn't approve of the war, tough shit. The Malaysians were fairly certain of the fact that the US would back Singapore- and they were bitterly resentful of the fact that most of Singapore's F-16s were at the time being held in the US for training, and the were regularly practicing, with USAF assistance, scenarios where they would fly back to Singapore in case of an attack on the country, refuelling by tanker along the way.

    Malaysians were also pissed about the fact that Singapore had agreement with Thailand that they would use airbases there- meaning, in war with Malaysia, US-based Singapore aircraft would fly across the Pacific, load up with US ordnance, than stage out of Thailand for bombing missions over Malaysia. At least this is what Malaysian planners assumed. Their politicians certainly ranted and raved to the press about 'encirclement' and Singaporean zionist aggression for quite a while.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:17 No.10670251

    By this stage the unrelenting and unintentional trolling by Russians, Americans and Jews had given the Malaysians a rage face approximating Kimmo Alm who has just been denied his share of CP.

    An additional pain in the ass soon appeared for the Malaysians. Namely, it was the fact that the RMAF was turning into a flying zoo. Their inventory at the turn of the century looked like this:

    - 16 MiG-29N/NUBs (they would eventually end up crashing 2)

    - 8 F/A-18Ds (they would crash one in 2003)

    - about two dozen Hawk 108/208s (they would lose 11 out of 28 during service)

    - 16 F-5E/F (since 1979, they have lost about 9 of the type)


    These are just the fast jet losses. Rotary wing losses are even infamously higher. Type "Nuri helicopter" into google for more information. Suffice to say 89 people have died in RMAF helicopter incidents over the last 40 or so years.

    The problem with operating so many different types (they had the MiGs, F-18s, Hawks and F-5s) from so many different suppliers (the US, Russia and the UK), coupled with poor maintainence, the lack of a competent aviation sector, and endemic corruption (everything from spare parts to servicing would invariably cost more due to 'middle-men') was wrecking havoc in the RMAF.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:27 No.10670404
    The losses are absurdly high especially coming from such a small air force, and furthermore when you compare them with the other regional air forces which they claim to be superior to. I'll use Australia and Singapore here since they've been mentioned the most.

    The RAAF has operated the F/A-18A/Bs since 1984. 25 years. So far, out of the initial purchase of 75, they have lost 4. The RAAF has seen combat over Iraq with the Hornet for no losses.

    The RSAF has operated the F-16 (A/Bs and C/Ds) since 1988. 22 years. So far, out of 70 purchased, they have lost two.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:34 No.10670525

    Hope you don't mind me saving this to a future counter-pasta pasta.

    I'm pretty sick of the crap I run into in /k/ when they get involved.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:36 No.10670600
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    Thought Planes and Mercs was dead for good, must've missed the other threads. Posting drawfaggotry.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:38 No.10670634
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    Keep missing threads so I haven't been able to post that one - Sandman's last run. R.I.P.

    Reposting some others.
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    And last, but not least, reposting that Snoopy the Red Baron missiling a cruise ship that someone requested.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:41 No.10670698
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    Another Snoopy one. Feel free to pass this on to the OP, no guarantee I'll catch another one of the Planes and Mercs threads.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:43 No.10670751
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    lol, feel free. Not all is accurate though- my interest in the region is merely observational, and I will admit to a personal bias against Malaysia, for reasons that should be obvious. Expect many furious denials/rebuttals if you use it.

    By 2003 Malaysia was beginning its economic recovery, Mahathir was out of office, and the RMAF decided to ask for a new aircraft to replace the problematic MiGs. The favorite among the air force itself was for more Hornets, this time the F-18E/F, because this was the type Malaysian pilots had encountered most often in their exercises with the USN and RAAF and because Malaysia's geography and operational requirements necessitated a two engined aircraft. Unfortunately, the government, while no longer under Mahathir, was still very much a vestige of the old order and still riddled with cronyism and anti-Western feeling, especially after the Iraq War, in addition to being extremely unstable and short of cash for defence. So they went with the cheaper and more politically popular option, the Su-30MKM. This was also partially caused by fear mongering over the capabilities of the Flanker as it crept into Southeast Asian inventories, first in China and India, then Vietnam and Indonesia. Australia at this time was actively badgering the US for F-22s, having signed on already for the JSF programme, and Singapore was evaluating the Typhoon, Rafale and F-15, in addition to also being an observer in the JSF programme. Malaysians were shitting their pants at being lft behind in the regional arms race.

    Also, the Russians once again bribed Malaysian politicos by appealing to their penchant for grandstanding and chest puffing. Basically, the deal was that in exchange for Malaysia buying the Su-30, they would send a Malaysian astronaut to the ISS (ended up being the guy on the left.)

    How could you turn down such an offer? The Flanker it was.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:47 No.10670834
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    Arctic sovereignty mission however does prioritze rugged, long-range fighters over fancy new ones. Canada is a NATO member and many NATO nations - Denmark, for example - have interests in the Arctic region, so a Canadian fighter does not necessarily need to be the absolute best in terms of capability. What's really needed is a reliable all-weather fighter that's capable of "showing the flag" and backing up claims.

    Somehow I just can't see the pricey and expensive JSF as a Canadian buy. Canada's probably better off spending on a fighter like the Super Hornet or the Gripen - not flashy fighters, and hardly top-class, but rugged, relatively easy to maintain logistics wise, and can get up and stay up in the air for a good amount of time.
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    Although to be fair, no idea on how much the JSF might be relative to other fighters. I suppose a better word might be "higher maintenance" - the JSF does not seem to have a very long operational range, and given the size of the Arctic...
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:52 No.10670915

    I know a Singapore ex-pat who can give me some further hints on trolling or telling him off. So long as it's a pile of facts in clear and properly spelled English, It'll look better than the crap they spew.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)16:52 No.10670920

    Canada was actually supposed to get on board for the Super Hornet I think, but oh look, funding problems.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)16:56 No.10670984
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    Yes and yes.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)16:56 No.10670996
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    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/22/10(Tue)16:57 No.10671004
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    And the underside.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:00 No.10671041
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    And so, this concludes the story of the RMAF up to present day. Malaysia now has 18 Su-30MKMs, making them, for now, King Shit of the region since they will proudly tell you that the F-18E/F of Ausfalia and F-15SG of Singapork is not match for it. Nor is the skill of the RMAF pilot to be doubted, because they are fearsome indeed.

    So, when it comes to hardware and the alleged ability of its pilots, Malaysia does indeed possess an unrivaled superiority over regional competitors.

    As for the system itself, whether or not the RMAF, at its very essentials, is fundamentally broken, I'll leave it up to the reader to decide.With helicopters falling from the sky and jet engines going missing, though, I suggest coming to the conclusion quickly!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:09 No.10671179
    what facts? mainly propaganda lies.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:16 No.10671317
    >Zionist Chinese

    Wut? Sinojews?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:29 No.10671551

    A fascinating read. And I thought defense scandals here in the Western were bad.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)17:33 No.10671633
    Indeed. An interesting read. Pity about the A4s. I'd run out and save those poor babies if I could.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:34 No.10671647

    Israel has a firm footing in Singapore. It has official representation, financial institutions and also trains the Singaporean army. It supplies armaments and does repairs for Singapore's military altogether. The Israeli intelligence is active in Singapore, spying on Malaysia and Indonesia as well as Brunei, the countries Israel has targeted for years to build diplomatic and economic relationships with.

    Apart from they being proud of helping the Israel to occupy even more lands, Singapore is also aiming to ensure all its citizen have strong sympathy towards Israel by having the said induction and share the visions of Zionism.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:35 No.10671674
    Let us make a brief comparison of Singapore and Israel, based on the historical evidences:

    The immigrant Zionist Jews from Europe, at the encouragement of the British, came to Palestine in droves in the 1900s at the expense of the indigenous people. The immigrant Chinese from China's southern provinces, at the encouragement of the British, came to Temasik in droves in the 1800s at the expense of the indigenous people.

    After the formation of Israel in 1948, the Zionists began to displace their indigenous Arab population historically, socially and culturally. After the expulsion of Singapore from Malaysia in 1965, the Sino-dominated government began to displace their indigenous Malay population historically, socially and culturally.

    Israel, with the backing of the US, spend its money more on its military than anything else. Singapore, with the backing of the US, spend its money more on its military than anything else.

    Israel sees its (majority) Muslim-Arab neighbors as "hostile". So does Singapore, which sees its (majority) Muslim-Malay neighbors as "hostile".

    With the above indisputable outline, how can we not conclude that Singapore is indeed "the 'Israel' of South East Asia"?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/22/10(Tue)17:45 No.10671876
    Ok now you're just going back to your ranting, raving, and pointless arguing. Take it elsewhere.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:47 No.10671937
    If I have to say anything about the sickness of Singaporeans is that you are as sick as your Zionist brothers and sisters in Israel. Living arrogantly in land taken from natives really is the source of ingrate and we all know the end is almost definite.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:48 No.10671948
    Great information. As we know Singapore is the Israel of SEA. Not possible if what happened in Palastin will happen to Indonesia and Malaysia. Not Believe? See what happened to our island!!!!!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:48 No.10671956
    Lee Kuan Yew made Singaporeans paranoid into being the ’seige mentality’ and thus justify their arms build up and tight control of the city state. Singapore being Israel’s closest ally here in this region of 300 Million conservative but peaceful Muslim Malay archipleago. Upon the expulsion, Lee invited the Israelis instead of India and Egypt which volunteered assistance, to establish and develop what is today the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF). The military co-operation between the two nation developed further and they began to co-manufacture and supply arms. Then was so insensitive to its highly tolerant neighbours, he invited former Zionist war monger Israeli President Chaim Herzog to have a formal state visit in 1987.

    Now, after the American withdrawal from Subic Bay naval base and Clarks Air Base in The Phillipines, the end of the Cold War and the success of making ASEAN a super power free region, Singapore has offered the American’s their facilities for the full scale military base in the region having to use a midway technical base requirement between East Asia and West Asia. Singapore is also an advocate of Western and Neo Con Jewish agenda in the region such as the pressure to ‘democratize’ Myanmar. Singapore regards their ‘hinterland’ is 6,000 km radius from the island city-state. That include Kuala Lumpur-Beijing-Tokyo is within the realm on Singapore ’sovereign’.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:49 No.10671971
    SINGAPORK = New Zionism in Shout East Asia...kamu mengakui dengan sendirinya tetapi tidak menyadari itu...tanya pada dirimu sendiri...kalau kamu memang pintar pasti akan ketemu jawabannya...tapi kalau kamu GOBLOK...tetap aja GOBLOK...Zionism lu
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:51 No.10672013
    The commentary in this thread certainly seems objective and not politically loaded or ideologically biased or anything.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:55 No.10672084
    Singapork difinitely adores the Israeli Zionists and the Jews as a nation, follows every trick the Israelis can show them in the so-called defence of an
    "encircled state".
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:56 No.10672106
    Let me add.

    SAF recently acquired Leopard III MBTs, AH64D Apache Lowngbow attack helicopters, F15ST Eagle air superiority fighters (on top of existing four sqdns of F16s) and multirole ships.


    This the proof that Singapore is Israeli disciple and partner in the East!

    Johor, is Singapore’s agenda equivalent to Israel wanting trans-Jordan, on top Palestine they already have!

    BE WARY!!!!
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)17:59 No.10672172
    USA and Singapore is a party to the crimes being committed by Israel in Gaza and against the Palestinian people.

    Anyone who is a supporter of these countries is sanction of the murder of defenceless victims.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)18:00 No.10672196
    Singapore is a white owned Zionist proxy in East Asia. Go there, all you see is white owned companies. The Zionists needed a permanent navy base located right next to China's most important searoute: the Malacca Straits. It's geopolitical chess all over the place. Pawn Lee Kuan Jew (JEW) answers to David Rockefeller.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)18:15 No.10672567
    How else are you going to sell bombs unless they use them up?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)18:22 No.10672731
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    their first Prime Minister was a Jew.

    Now, why would a populated by Chinky rats have a Jew for PM?
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)18:23 No.10672753
    Don't confuse white people with jews.
    >> Anonymous 06/22/10(Tue)18:23 No.10672754
    Obviously Singapore is populated by Reverse Jews

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