Bumping.

In Blame! certain characters could talk to the builders, are we going to do anything with that? What kinds of classes are we going to have?

Sage for not /tg/ related.

>>10676222

>Thread about making a Blame! RPG.
We're making a rpg for Blame!, how is that not /tg/ related?

Been waiting for this all night.

>>10676315
Ignore him, please. Let's not turn this into a bitch fest like the first thread.

>>10676102
That depends on if we decide to have classes at all or if it'll be purely skill and characteristic based.

Ideas from last thread:

- Strength, Intelligence, Constitution, Dexterity and Perception as stats
- in-game upgrades and cyborgisation as the way of improving the stats
- 'races' differentiated and created by adding some things to the baseline stats in the beginning

Constitution divided into:
Toughness - Resistance to damage, environmental resistance, etc.

Vitality - Energy, endurance.

Body - Mass, possibly strength.

Gunfights would involve cover, what part of the target is hit (limbs, torso, head), and recoil.

Body hopping.

PCs only have so much room for cybernetics, depending on their "Body" stat and the details of the cybernetics involved.

>>10676429
(cont)

Given the vast distances in The City, random encounters and environmental hazards.

Environment hazards:
- electric surges and storms
- gravittional anomalies
- massive structure strain and escalating collapse
- builders remodeling the area
- change of the athmosphere components
- weird sh%t
- rapidly evolving and expanding neuron -based intelligence in the form of cloud of nanorobots, and subsequent putting of him down by Safeguards
- node malfunction
- silicon lifeforms invasion
- random incoming spacestation teleports

Encounters with Watchers, Safeguard, Silicon Life, Dry Men, Grubs, Builders

>>10676459
>- weird sh%t

i lol'd

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>>10676102

We never decided on classes, that's something we're going to have to work out at some point. Having close-quarters classes favoring melee weapons and long range classes that favor guns would be obvious choices, but as to where to go from there... I suppose we could also have a class that fights by manipulating its environment, like causing certain mechanical aspects of the city to reactive at a moment their opponent would find very inconvenient and give them that 'talk to builders' power you mentioned to turn nearby builders against their opponents. They would be the 'mages' of this setting, and that seems like a good start for one class if nobody objects.

>>10676484
Guy posting it had some thing about censoring himself. Whatever.

I suggest that Safeguard Encounters should be either very unlikely or depend on if the characters are near a Conversion Tower (or some other Net-Sphere related structure).

>>10676507

They would be hackers, more or less. The more skilled they get, the more things they can hack at one time, the longer they can sustain their hacks, and more powerful machines become vulnerable to them. They could use viruses as wepons against foes like safeguard and silicon life.

>>10676580
Perhaps there can be a nano-machine dart gun like Sanakan had, but instead of converting victims into Exterminators it allows a hacker character to override a robotic enemy's programming.

>>10676580

So they are basically support units. They manipulate the environment (to a limited extent) to help allies and hinder enemies. The could use viruses to slow down enemies, throw off their aim, or confuse them. And maybe they could also serve as some kind of team firewall, providing additional protection to their allies from hacking attempts (as long as those allies are within a certain range).

>>10676459
In the last thread it was also proposed that the targets size affect the likelihood of hitting it.

Say we use "5" as a base increment for stats?
Size classifications depending on "Body" Stat:

Teeny - 5<
Small - 5
Standard - 10
Big - 15
Huge - 20
Gargantuan - 25
ZOMGWTF - 30

Some proposed skills:

Computer Use (Including hacking and the like)
Engineering (building, repairing, and understanding machines)
Medicine (Self explanatory)
Marksmanship (Use of firearms)
Close Combat (Unarmed, melee weapons)
Climb
Swim
Bluff
Track
Knowledge: Safeguard, Builders, Silicon Life, Local, The City

>>10676686
I think these characters would be most useful in noncombat situations (opening locked doors, activating elevators, fixing broken tech that needs to be used, etc). At higher levels they could be able to hijack builders and the like.

Where the fuck is everyone?

>>10676959
Fuck if I know. Maybe everyone is channeling Killy.

What weapons will we be using? Obviously as a high end for guns we have (weaker) GBEs and those swords that fuck up large buildings. As a low-end we have simple debris and the guns used by the fishermen, but we need a lot more than that. We're going to have to make up some equipment.

>>10677338

Why use 'weaker' GBEs? You'll need full power ones at the very least if you ever want to fight with level 9 safeguards and not die. And even that probably wouldn't be enough.

>>10677338
Boltguns, ballistic weapons. The Laborers in Vol 2 had chains, nun-chucks, and scrap swords.

>>10677391
Because then we begin to see a significant difference in power between the ranged and melee weapons. Those swords used by Safeguard are the most powerful melee weapons in Blame! that we know of, and while impressive, they aren't in the same league as Killy's GBE. Though I suppose this could be solved simply by coming up with more powerful melee weapons.

>>10677476
Let's keep in mind that the GBE and Safeguard sword are extremely rare weapons.

>>10677476
Make some kind of gravity sword. It's shown GBE shots can be deflected by other GBE shots, so logically a you could defend against them using a sword using the same tech as the GBE. The sword should have the ability to extend lie the safeguard sword does and more power would need to be put into the sword to deflect higher powered shots from enemy GBEs or more powerful swings from other using this sword.

>>10677604
perhaps we can have the GBE require a recoil/strength check when it's fired, with results varying from hitting a wall, getting knocked over, and having your arm torn off, while the sword is less powerful but more stable.

>>10677635

Weren't we planning on doing that anyway?

>>10677728
I'm just trying to find a balance between the GBE and Safeguard Sword without having them basically identical.

I also just remembered that the Safeguard Sword is also a long-range weapon.

>>10677769

Long range for a sword, perhaps. High tier guns in Blame! have ranges in the tens of kilometers. You'll need that extra reach towards the end, Charging an enemy who is going to try to kill you from 70 km out with a sword of ordinary length is fucking suicide. Would be a bit like charging a sniper with a combat knife, only worse.

>>10677957
While we're at it, using these weapons also has rather drastic effects on the environment. Should we try to work that into the game or just assume that a guy shooting his GBE doesn't knock out a support beam and smash everyone?

While Silicon Creatures aren't exactly friendly in general, the Observer shows that they aren't quite Always Chaotic Evil. As a "Race", Silicon Creatures can have additional "slots" for cybernetic enhancements, at the cost of difficulty in repair/medical help and general hostility from "normal" humans.

As a stand in for "classes", let's have "Enhancement Packages". Examples: Scientist characters have computer-interface ports and start off with computer/hacking modules. The "Laborer" package gives an increase in strength.

>>10678581
Well thanks to Noise, it's pretty obvious that the Silicon Life seem to be very religious in the upper ranks but like you said, not all are Chaotic Evil.

I'm sure some have their own motives.

>>10678798
There's a distinction between "The Order" and the Silicon Creatures as they are in Blame!, I think, and they weren't religious so much as a transhuman anarchist movement. The Silicon Creatures depend on chaos in the net to survive, likely because it makes exterminating them that much harder.

>>10678714
Would the enhancement packages work with the safeguard units though? Most safeguard have a linear level progression, except for Sanakan and Cibo.

>anime Rpg

>>10679173
Safeguard PCs could have an extensive package, I suppose. Follow particular paths of progression while "human" and "silicon creature" PCs would be more freeform.

I think labeled class would keep the game from getting confusing. There could be a section on the data sheet for an enhancement section. One example would be
Race: Safeguard
Class: Drone
Level: 1
Enhancements: Ocular implants, regeneration unit, synthetic muscle, etc.

what exactly do Silicon Creatures do that makes thenEvil?

>>10679644
There are 9 levels of Safeguard Agents, so we could look over characters in the series to gauge their abilities.

>>10679697
Silicon Creatures, as a whole, want to exterminate humanity and keep the Net-Sphere impotent. Given that their survival depends on it, I guess it's more a conflict of interest than actual "evil".

>>10679251

How about this:

Characters with the "Safeguard" package gain access to greater modifications as they level up, but there are restrictions on equipment, action, etc due to the rigid hierarchy of the Safeguard. Characters with other packages (Scientist, Laborer, Silicon Creature, Warrior, etc) are given more freedom but at the same time have a harder time finding more powerful modifications.

>>10680712
The Safeguard package also has role-playing restrictions, obligating the character to obey The Safeguard (Or the Net-Sphere if they're "Temporary" safeguards like Dohmo) in order to keep their status and access to equipment.

OP girl is way too think, wtf is that, an elf?

>>10680880
meant to say thin, sorry

Why the fuck isn't the suptg archive not working?

>>10680880
She comes from "Cluster Town" where most everyone is really tall and thin. Also, that's just Nihei's artstyle. He tends to avert most other manga cliches in character design though.

>>10680934
No clue. I tried archiving this thread earlier but something's going on.

The Net-Sphere's limitless expansion continues...

>>10680880
hard to explain (because I don't really know). Alot of the stuff in Blame! is mostly artificial though, so any sort of odd body type probably indicates not human. The few true humans that do show up are all fairly normal in proportions (if skewed towards the athletic since everyone else is dead)

I think humans need a limit on the amount of augmentation packages they can receive, like around 2-3. Silicon creatures can receive more, probably around 4-6. Since safeguards earn enhancement packs as the increase in level, they should only be allowed 1-2 extraneous slots for enhancements.

>>10681051
That sounds reasonable. Humans in the middle, Silicon Creatures with plenty of slots (but difficulty in attaining them due to scavenging), Safeguard have little (but easily attain good ones due to being Safeguard).

>>10681001

I'm only halfway through Blame! myself, (waiting on volume 6 for months and months now...)

But were there any humans left in the world that didn't have at least corrupted Net-Terminal genes?

The whole place seems to so thoroughly impacted by such a thoroughly botched attempt at transhumanism that the resulting components thereof are being spread around and incorporated willy nilly into everything, like a small enclosed marine environment which has just had an equal vollum of trash thrown into it...

>>10680880

That's Cibo (I'm pretty sure...) When Killy first meets her, she's a rotting husk of a corpse supported by extensive cybornetic implants. She's already body-hopped a couple of times where I am in the story...

>>10681161
You can find Blame! online, so you don't have to wait.

I also recommend reading NOiSE, as it provides some backstory and explains how The City got as fucked up as it is.

If there are any humans with functional Net Terminal Genes, I doubt there are very many of them. A significant population would facilitate the Authority's attempts to fix The City's uncontrolled growth (which hasn't happened yet, obviously).

Anyone really concerned with when/where the game takes place in relation to the manga? Given the vastness of The City, I don't think it would particularly matter. It's the same difference if we just ignore the manga's events.

>>10681161
>Been waiting on chapter 6 for months.
All the chapters are right here:http://www.onemanga.com/BLAME/

>>10681260
I agree with this.Time, space, and distance are all really irrelevant when it comes to the city. Simple stepping into a new room could launch you up or down 100 floors, 200 years into the future, or into a whole new dimension. The denizens of the city don't help either when it comes to the whole when and where thing. Therefore, the setting should simply be The City.

>>10681334
Are you being poetic or literal?

There aren't any real space-time anomalies in The City except for the "Alternate Universe" arc.

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>>10681386
Yeah, sup/tg/ seems to be busted or something.

Ideas and such from it have been posted in this thread if that's what you're worried about.

Anyone willing to think up a BLAME gakuen expansion for this RPG?

>>10681451
...do what now?

>>10681461
Nihei himself has made three bonus BLAME comics called the BLAME gakuen. Go look for them. They're fuckin' hilarious.

>>10681451
Oh, Blame Academy?

Not sure what all you'd do for that. Expanding on interaction and social stats I guess.

Thread seems to have picked up quite a bit, I was afraid it was going to die on me. I'll have to start the next one closer to midnight.

>>10681367
Toha heavy industries started warping pieces of itself around for shits and giggles when it collapsed.

>>10681632
Don't worry, I'll indulge you on it. Now, can you recap all the classes we have so far?

Well this link have all the works from the author of Blame!
http://www.mangafox.com/search/author/NIHEI+Tsutomu/

>>10681638
True, but that was a unique case and deliberate on the Central AIs part. Not something that happens randomly as one wanders about The City.

We're distracting ourselves from getting shit done though, so moving on...

Space-time anomalies could be put under the "Random Environmental Hazards" table for when the PCs are traveling through the city, especially near things such as Gravity Furnaces.

>>10681695
They should be something rare to encounter if at all.

>>10681661
We're currently running with the idea of "packages" and archetypes more than traditional classes. Scientist/Hacker, Gun Fighter, and Melee Fighter.

Safeguard works a little differently, being more strict and linear but allowing for more significant progression.

Silicon Creatures get the most "slots" for modifications, humans get somewhere in the middle, and Safeguard get the least (extraneous, anyway).

I wanted to bring up something, though. Early on in Blame! there is Cluster Town, a more traditional cyberpunk style city rather than the tribal societies like the Technomads and the Electrofishers.

Cluster Town style settlements could provide opportunity for using more social skills and more traditionally cyberpunk campaigns and such, so I think we should think about including a Charisma stat of some sort. Perhaps divide "Mind" into "Intelligence" and "Charisma".

We need to develop weapons like >>10677338 said. In the manga, humans have access to handmade weapons like knives and bludgeons and conventional small arms and machine guns. Silicon beings have a wide array of custom weaponry. Safeguards past level 2 seem to rely mostly on their GBE's. Maybe we could borrow weapon stats from another system to save some time? The scope of the weaponry concerns me though. A shot from a GBE goes through just about anything and for quite the distance too.

>>10682107
I need to learn how to harness the power of the comma.

>>10682107
Weapon ideas

Bolt Gun - Rifle used by Electrofishers
Giant Boomarang - Used by Bio-Electric Corporation guard
Double Beam Rifle - Used by Alternate!Cibo
Shotgun - Used by Killy when separated from GBE
Ballistic Pistol - See above
Machete, Chain, Nunchaku - used by Laborers
GBE - Very high level firearm, powerful recoil.
Safeguard sword - Melee counterpart to GBE.
Hinged Sword - Sword used by Ivy
Broadsword - Used by Seu

>>10682107
If a character rolled a Silicon Being, it would be ok to let them create custom weapons of their own as long as they are reasonable i.e not GBE's from the get go. Silicons have a lot of customization options that can be explored once we get some more meat on our bare bones system.

As for weapon stats, should we have different weapons use different dice for calculating damage, or all use d10 or whatever and then additional damage depending on the weapon?

>GBE - Very high level firearm, Fuck-off recoil. As in, there goes your fucking arm. All the way across the room.
FTFY

>>10682394
The GBE has varying levels of output. Lower output has a kick but won't tear your arm off. Higher output requires certain prerequisite modifications to use without ripping your arm off or sending you flying into a wall and cracking your skull all over the place.

Thread dead?

>>10682975
Seems that way. sup/tg/ isn't working yet either. Fuck.

>>10683138
I think I managed to get it in the archive, even if it can't be viewed.

Hmmmm. There should be race-specific hazard though, like the way Toha Industries zapped Safeguard drones dead?

>>10683212
That was due to an agreement between the Net Sphere and Toha. I suppose we could have certain "Sovereign" areas that the Safeguard or Net-Agents can't go to, but Silicon Creatures and Humans should be unaffected by such things since they're not part of that sort of organization. Considering how OP a Safeguard character could get I support this.

>>10683212

I didn't think of that. What kinds of hazards would there be for other races though? Aside from the obvious "Stay the fuck away from the netsphere if you aren't safeguard." thing.

>>10683311
Radiation and toxic gases come to mind.

Guess we're done for now. Later guys.