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    229 KB Planes and Mercs XXVII op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)14:49 No.10715809  
    I just got a new email with a mission, figure you'd want to read it, since it's different then the other stuff we've had before.
    BlackFlag Internal Document #100401

    Mission Briefing “Stone Dagger”
    Source: Blackflag
    Deployment: Musina Airstrip
    Pancake: Musina Airstrip
    Alternate: None
    AAR: None
    AWACS: None
    CSAR: Operation K (Koevoet) Team

    Contract Employer: AECI Limited

    Objective: Rescue the AECI Regional Director
    Secondary Objective: Rescue AECI employees
    Secondary Objective: N/A
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:50 No.10715836

    >Contract Employer: AECI Limited
    >Objective: Rescue the AECI Regional Director

    Oh holy shit.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)14:50 No.10715837
    Background: This just got dropped on us and we're going to have to move fast to succeed. AECI has recently had several members of its regional sales team abducted while touring mining facilities in the border town of Musina. AECI is apparently being blackmailed by some form of renegade group, looking to acquire both explosives and chemical weapons. They have been transported north, to a rebel held compound in Zimbabwe, which means that the options for South Africa, militarily at least, are out the window. AECI cannot, obviously, accede to the rebel demands, and the Zimbabwean government is dragging its heels on the diplomatic front, so we're being contracted to perform a rescue operation. Due to the rushed nature of this, we have not been able to secure and sanitize an airfield for your aircraft, so they will remain at their present location under guard. Instead, we have set up a small field strip west of Musina, it's a completely unprepared strip, so big jets are out of the question.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)14:52 No.10715867
    The current plan involves a rapid airborne assault on the suspected location of the hostages, here, -21° 54' 12.13", +30° 32' 50.75". You will be bringing in eight soldiers of the ex-Koevoet force, who will sweep the compound and organize the hostages. Your primary mission is to ensure the AECI regional director makes it out of that camp safely. If you can find and rescue additional hostages, AECI has offered to pay out above and beyond contracted terms. The further details of the plan will be left to your Squadron, but I must emphasize that time is of the essence if we hope to have any chance of locating the hostages before they are moved to a more secure location.
    We are coordinating with several shipping companies, and will have your selected airframes operational at the forward base by the time you arrive. Dash Ones will be sent to the printer onboard the waiting Yak-40 that will be transporting you to the Musina aerodrome. Please ensure you pass your purchase orders to the requisitions rep before departing, her number is on the back of your briefing document.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:53 No.10715870
    Oh shit. This is just like the mission in AC5 when we had to escape Sand Island in fucking training jets.

    Good luck, OP.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)14:53 No.10715879
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    Fuck yeah!
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:54 No.10715883
    Wait, OP and his team aren't working for the Russians any longer?
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)14:54 No.10715884
    HUMINT: We only know the location of the hostages, counts of enemies are unreliable, but currently stand at a minimum of twelve on the compound.
    ELINT: None available
    SATINT: Will be available on landing at Musina if purchased.
    Air Assets: Zimbabwe has J-7 fighters, but it is doubtful that they will pose a problem.
    Surface Assets: Unknown at campsite, border units comprise mostly small arms.

    Threat Assessment: Low. The guards are mostly off-duty border soldiers, with limited combat experience.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)14:55 No.10715896
    No, we flew for the Legion a week ago, I posted that thread a day and a bit ago I think. The Russian contract was finished with Verdant Mace.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:55 No.10715909
    >-21° 54' 12.13", +30° 32' 50.75"

    Has anyone checked these coords in Google Maps?

    It's interesting.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)14:56 No.10715921
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    Sounds interesting.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:57 No.10715938
    I always check the coordinates, their GM seems to actually take his time when he does them, it's freaky.
    >> Sergeant Major Alexandros III !lV90Sa1jWw 06/24/10(Thu)14:58 No.10715945
    >Air Assets: Zimbabwe has J-7 fighters, but it is doubtful that they will pose a problem.

    Doubtful that they are in flying condition.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)14:59 No.10715962
    More than that, these missions have details in them that always seem to speak of some sort of insider information, and they all have the feel of black ops that could really go down.

    Like this, a company hiring a PMC to break international law and go forcefully retrieve their employees.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)14:59 No.10715976
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    So you guys gotta purchase some cheap STOL aircraft for this mission?

    Too bad the Frogfoot got destroyed, that could've worked on that landing strip.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:00 No.10715981
    Actually, I meant that there's something that looks suspiciously like a camp EXACTLY AT THOSE COORDS
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:01 No.10715995
    So, Harrier and F-4s?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:01 No.10716012
    It says they are setting up a strip, I think the Musina one I'm looking at is not it, it looks paved.

    I'm thinking, turboprops at the very most, and since this is an extraction mission, helicopters.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:02 No.10716017

    It's basically accepted at this point that Great GM Steve has intel connections.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:03 No.10716051
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    F-4's from a crummy and short strip?

    You best be joking.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:03 No.10716054
    Who is AECI?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:04 No.10716072
    Broncos and Super Tucanos maybe?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:05 No.10716079
    Wait... what was the result of Verdant Mace?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:05 No.10716081
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:05 No.10716087
    I know nothing about planes.

    But still, perfect excuse for at least 1 Harrier. Because you could pack the fucker full of Brimstones and royally piss off everyone on the ground.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:06 No.10716091
    War Crimes, as usual ;)

    But seriously, it's up on Suptg as well as the forum, go check it out :)
    >> Magic Fridge 06/24/10(Thu)15:06 No.10716099

    Saab Viggens?
    >> Sergeant Major Alexandros III !lV90Sa1jWw 06/24/10(Thu)15:06 No.10716101

    inb4 Pucaras
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:06 No.10716108
    >> Magic Fridge 06/24/10(Thu)15:08 No.10716136
    Maybe Super Tucanos?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:08 No.10716139
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    Awesome, but fucking expensive as well.
    Price might be something to consider as well seeing as it's likely OP's group won't be using these planes after this mission (or at least not for a while).
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)15:08 No.10716151
    I think the strip is 2000~3000 ft long, I am asking Steve for clarification.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:12 No.10716200

    AECI are a Zimbabwean corporation, focused on mining (including explosives) and manufacture.

    I would put a large sum of money on a uranium deposit being involved.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:13 No.10716225
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    STOL planes only.

    Pictured might be useful.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:14 No.10716237

    ...how does he always come up with a real, slightly shady sounding, company when needed?

    Because the alternative is that he's been seeding these web domains for years in preparation for this game.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:14 No.10716246
    You mean South African.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:15 No.10716255
    OP's group with uranium.
    What could possibly go wrong?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:15 No.10716262
    So.... Russians let them go?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:16 No.10716273
    Russians were pleased as pigs in shit by the group's work in Georgia.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:16 No.10716280
    >we have to launch a sneak attack and rescue mission on a tiny little camp full of Zimbabwean fuckasses to get back the head staff of a SA mining company. There may be uranium involved

    This is sounding more and more like a fucking Belkan plot gone horribly real.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:17 No.10716293
    And Georgia fell to the Russians, right?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:17 No.10716298
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    Op, you the fucking man! I've copied your mission logs and bring them on flights to read during the boring parts.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:18 No.10716312
    Well, the Russians are there as 'peacekeepers' so read into that how you want to.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:20 No.10716332
    I only wish my DM was one tenth as good as this guy apparently is. I love doing google searches on this shit and being like "Holy Fuck, this is real?"
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)15:21 No.10716361
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    There are so many ways this could go wrong.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:22 No.10716372
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    Thoughts, OP?

    Viggens might be an option, as >>10716099
    said, although maybe a tad expensive for single use planes
    Speaking of the Viggen:
    >>Cool Viggen STOL sequence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpxz_-ELi6U
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:22 No.10716379
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    And now we just wait for the real knowledgeable planefags to roll in and start discussing WEAPON OF CHOICE

    Mine isn't allowed. ;_;
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:23 No.10716395
    That is what makes this so delicious!
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:25 No.10716411
    On the bright side, at least they aren't going to run into a Solo Wing Pixy or a Yellow 13.

    Realism has its advantages.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:25 No.10716412
    So, wait, you need to transport people this time?

    Are Hinds an option?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:25 No.10716430
    >Land, do a three-point turn, take off. In under two minutes.

    That guy just rolled so many 20s it hurts.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:27 No.10716454
    Well they ran into those Enemy Aces earlier with the last Russian mission. Took care of them quite handily, but it was still a pretty decent fight.

    Of course, they had the advantage of numbers, a battlefield that was greatly arranged in their favour, and Hugs' AWACS Raper.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:30 No.10716506
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    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)15:31 No.10716513
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    They weren't so much aces as Mercs with F-16s.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:33 No.10716548
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:33 No.10716558
    Still, enemy Merc company beats the usual "terrorists and pirate twats with jet aircraft" stuff.

    I suppose the real Enemy Ace battles would come around when Blackwood decides to pick a fight with anyone in the G8 and gets an actual Air Force to deal with.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)15:33 No.10716559
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    Oh, and Starfighters.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:35 No.10716579
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:36 No.10716591
    From what it sounds like with a short landing strip, lightly armed militia and rescuing hostages you're going to want one stol transport, as for support, a light attack plane would be good, going for high performance jets sounds like it would be over kill, maybe one as a gunship but generally a light attack plane will be able to neutralize ground targets just as effectively and will be much cheaper, lighter and able to land on a short runway.

    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:36 No.10716596
    >Hugs' AWACS Raper.

    I figure that is the real reason they won that fight as well as they did.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:38 No.10716619
    Has anyone figured out where the hell the mission area is relative to the start point? The coordinates don't work for me.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:41 No.10716681
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:41 No.10716684
    You said G8 and i started thinking that there was no way they could go toe to toe with america, germany, france, the UK, Russia, Japan is probably out too, so the options would be Italy and/or Canada.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:42 No.10716706
    I wonder how the G8 feels about Russia selling them all these planes...
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:43 No.10716723
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    If you want a light STOL transport to go with the Super Tucano, I suggest the IAI Arava. They've got a pretty short takeoff roll, can operate from unimproved runways and can be armed with machine guns and dumbfire rockets.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:43 No.10716724
    Agreed. Super Tucanos should work fine as should OV-10 Broncos.

    Get a cheap Antonov or something as a STOL transport, maybe a SU-25 or possibly a Viggen (is Scotch's Viggen from last mission salvagable?) if you really want a jet thrown in the mix.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:46 No.10716764
    Well, they did manage to pull a fast one on the Royal Navy.

    And yet Blackwood still suffered pretty considerable casualties from that raid, an Antonov and several cargo planes IIRC, and lost quite a few personnel. And they just got out of the whole thing with their hides.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:47 No.10716787
    The Viggen is not STOl.

    This is STOL
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:49 No.10716810
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    Hind, Super Tucano and Viggen seem to be the crowd favourites.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:49 No.10716811
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    In Phase One, there would be a preliminary briefing before take-off, if Fire Force were not needed immediately. The K-Car would fly in to be talked onto the target by the personnel manning the OP (if a sighting was the reason for the call out). Difficulties of judging the position of an aircraft in the sky to a target on ground often caused delays, which afforded the enemy time to escape. When over the approximate area of the target, the K-Car gunner would throw out a smoke grenade so that the OP could use the smoke to re-direct the K-Car to the target. The K-Car would then pull up to its optimum orbiting height of 800 feet and put down fire to annihilate the enemy or dissuade them from leaving the area. The G-Cars would fly in a wider pre-arranged orbit, waiting for orders to put their stops down on the escape routes. This was a somewhat rigid, slow and cumbersome procedure and was sometimes fruitless because the enemy had fled. It was soon realised that the aircrew had to look outside the circle constantly as the insurgents covered the ground at their astonishing rate of 500 metres a minute.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:49 No.10716812
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    F5-ing like the motherfucking Fist of the North Star

    Say OP, how do you guys (the pilots/players that is) coordinate before a new game session.

    Do you guys generally have your missions planned in advance or do you plan at the gaming session just before 'flying' the mission?
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)15:49 No.10716818
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    That was a good mission.

    I hope that one Tornado pilot survived. That was a real man.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:50 No.10716829
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    The changes made in Phase Two drastically improved the success ratio. The briefing would normally be held at the refuelling stop on the way to the target, to save time and because by then the OP would have crucial information on enemy movement or the lack thereof. By 1977 it was realised that the K-Car had to fly in from behind and over the OP in order to see what he was seeing and therefore waste no time in finding and marking the target with a white smoke generator. The K-Car would pull up and fire on the enemy. As the G-Cars arrived, they would fly directly to prescribed stop positions on the escape routes and orbit them individually. Instead of having to wait for the Fire Force commander, the G-Cars were given some autonomy. If the G-Car crew spotted the enemy, they could land their stop group without reference to the K-Car. If they did not spot the enemy, they would not put down their stop group. This meant that this stick remained airborne for quick deployment elsewhere. There would, however, be an alternative plan - Plan Alpha. The Fire Force commander would simply state 'Plan Alpha' and the G-Cars would deposit their stop groups on the predetermined stop positions. This meant minimum delay in bottling up the enemy. Once the escape routes were sealed, the Fire Force commander would have his paratroopers brought in to sweep the area, driving the quarry into the open where the 20mm could deal with them or into the ambushes of the stop groups. The achievement of Phase Two was that the quick positioning of stops often trapped the enemy.
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    Phase Three, in which the 'Jumbo' Fire Force came into being, was the product of the constant availability of G-Cars in 1979 because the forces deployed on external operations at last had available the longer-range and greater troop carrying-capacity of the AB205A 'Cheetahs'. The Jumbo Fire Force was created by bringing two Fire Forces together, giving it two K-Cars, eight G-Cars, a Dakota and a Lynx, often with the support of Hawker Hunters. When the Fire Force was seven minutes out from the target, the two K-Cars would accelerate and pull away. Once directed onto the target, the K-Cars (being used like tanks on the battlefield) would immediately attack without pulling up, seeking to traumatise, if not kill, the enemy. The Fire Force commander might bring in the jet aircraft immediately with their devastating Golf bombs to lower the enemy's morale further. The effect would be to 'stabilise' the situation. Those insurgents who survived would go to ground. The stops would be in position quickly and the paratroops would follow to sweep the area. Actions that used to take an entire morning or a day thenceforth were often over in an hour. The commander of Support Commando, 1RLI, Major Nigel Henson recalls tackling and killing 22 insurgents at 6 a.m. By 7 a.m. his Fire Force was in action against ten more and, having dealt with them, was by mid-morning in a third contact.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:54 No.10716896
    Wait what
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:54 No.10716900
    I loved that Mission, plenty of OH SHIT going on, and the one British /tg/ guy who got all pissy as the mission report flowed in.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)15:54 No.10716910
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    Agreed, that guy was awesome
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:56 No.10716929
    i'd say one jet set up for air superiority, i mean while the J-7's are not supposed to be a problem you don't want to run into a surprise they'd still do rings around you.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)15:56 No.10716939
    Steve wrote me back

    "Think of it as gravel with patches of grass and rocks, it's basically just a semi flat area clear of trees. It's not long, 1500 to 2000 feet at the most"

    So I think I'm not flying a jet, maybe a Harrier.

    Also, to the person who asked, we plan our missions mostly there, but we do some coordination before hand at times.
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    I realize this is fairly off topic, but...

    I'm running a high fantasy game and I want to include Hell's Black Aces. So, which pilots should I include, how should they look/act, and most importantly what do they fly? Anything fantasy is a go except for steampunk type stuff.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:58 No.10716975
    Biscuit, flies an F-4 Phantom, and is undead.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)15:59 No.10716985

    Can you guys fly helos? If so, maybe a Hind, and then some turboprop aircraft?
    >> Obligatory. Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)15:59 No.10716989
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    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)16:00 No.10717018
    That is what we are planning I think, just wondering about range, don't helicopters have shorter ones?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:00 No.10717021
    It'd be nice to have an A-10 for a mission like this. They are made to take off from ploughed fields, shred things all day, then land on another ploughed field.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:01 No.10717026
    Thanks :)

    Well, that disqualifies the Viggen then. SU-25 should be able to handle it though, Super Tucano and OV-10 Bronco should be able to work out of there as well.

    A dedicated air-to-air jet just in case might be difficult with that strip.
    Harrier probably is damn expensive, and not the best of dogfighters anyway.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:01 No.10717038
    A-10s have very finicky gear that is not good on rough fields. Nice bird, but it likes to land on concrete, not rough fields.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:04 No.10717073
    Yeah they do, but some are capable of in-flight refueling.

    Hinds have a decent range though IIRC, and I think they can carry external fuel tanks as well. Great armored troop carrier as well, so you get firepower and a hostage transport in one, and it's pretty damn tough.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:04 No.10717085
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    I don't think the SU-25 could land there.

    For reference, here is a 2100 foot long runway.

    It is not a big distance.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:07 No.10717115
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    Was mostly talking about terrain, kinda forgot about the limited distance.

    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:07 No.10717117
    Might be a bit risky but... Osprey just got an upgrade, I think at 4:30 mark you see the new gun.
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:08 No.10717130
    as someone who has a currently valid single engine land pilot's license . . .

    that runway is effing crazy
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:09 No.10717156
    any possibility of JATO or RATO bottles? They'd get a takeoff roll down to practically nada- though landing might be a trip. (maybe something like the retro system they had for that C-130 for the Iranian hostage thing back in the 80s?)
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:09 No.10717157
    I'm stumped, what plane is that?
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    I'm guessing it's ridiculously expensive though...
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:10 No.10717172
    The one that failed and killed a Herc Crew?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:11 No.10717184
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:11 No.10717194
    Was there on my vacation last year, part of my 'ridiculous airport' tour that I have to do in my lifetime.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:13 No.10717220

    no,. it failed, but the crew got out with no fatalities (my info could be bad though)
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:15 No.10717260
    very cool, do you fly as well? Where is that place?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:15 No.10717265
    >Somehow buy a C-17
    >advice nepotism
    >Fill it with explosives
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:17 No.10717291
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:17 No.10717293
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    Where else have you been/do you want to go?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:19 No.10717343
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    They're not the fucking FFL
    >> Magic Fridge 06/24/10(Thu)16:20 No.10717363

    Oh Gustav III, you card. To bad you were murdered on your own masquerade-ball.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:20 No.10717370
    Of course not, they would push the explosives out first. Unless things went wrong, which they probably would, buy hey
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)16:22 No.10717401
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    Yeah, they're not that fucking crazy. FFL Are crazier than PCs it seems.

    Tangentially related anyone know of a good source for modern French-use military vehicle miniatures in 15mm scale?
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:23 No.10717418
    St Maartens, Courcheval and Kai-Tak (when I was 12).
    El Alto andHonduras as well!
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:25 No.10717447
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:27 No.10717494
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    Op, you should have stuck with the french, they don't do rescue ops.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:27 No.10717502
    Yeah, that French Foreign Legion mission turned out not too unlike a very VERY well-planned and well executed X-Com mission.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:28 No.10717515
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    So how's your new Fulda Gap game coming along?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:29 No.10717524
    The french missions bother me, op's gm seems to think the french military are good, dspite having never won a war.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:30 No.10717551
    Do I have to do everything here?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:31 No.10717559
    How is it I always miss the start of these now a days. I used to be on the ball.

    2 Hinds for gunship/extract and 2 durable little counter raider aircraft like Super Ts or perhaps even a pair of civilian prop planes with weapons strapped on. No need to go spending a whole bunch on something like this.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:32 No.10717579
    FFL isn't regular military though :P
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)16:35 No.10717628
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    We shall see, opening moves are very important we learned last time.

    I'm out for now, hopefully this thread will be here in five hours.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:35 No.10717634
    >>civilian prop planes with weapons strapped on


    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)16:35 No.10717640
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    Whatever you say little boy. Students of history know otherwise.

    The French, zey are ze bahdass.


    Yeah, I've seen the QRF stuff, looks good if a bit limited for what is French Vehicles are listed in the game I'm gonna play (Ambush Alley).

    That and I can't find any information on the organizational structure of the FFL Infantry that isn't written in French.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:35 No.10717643
    That shot can't be real. Two Flankers AND a Berkut in formation? The Berkut isn't even a prototype, it's a tech demonstrator.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:36 No.10717650


    Little 2 seater turboprop COIN birds, think they're Argentinean.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:37 No.10717688
    My thoughts exactly sir. What he flew would be the minimum in my mind.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:40 No.10717738
    Airshow much?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:42 No.10717791
    Should work as well.

    For reference:

    Those seem like capable and, perhaps just as important, not too expensive options for OP's group.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:43 No.10717799
    No not really. Not since I lived in Hawaii at least. A twin prop would be preferred. Perhaps one of those alpine aircraft(like that one in the beginning of Goldeneye) that I can't ever remember the names of. A pair of jury rigged rocket pods and a door gunner with a mini gun would be nice.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:46 No.10717839
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:46 No.10717845
    Hmm...ditch the choppers. Two Broncos or Pucara escorting two of those alpine aircraft I mentioned for troop drop and gunship roles.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:47 No.10717857
    What What? I don't understand the question ^_^
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:49 No.10717899
    Sorry, I didn't understand why you were replying to my post/what you were saying.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:51 No.10717950
    yeah my post was a bit jumbled wasn't it. I though you were asking if i'd been to many airshows. Thats what the first bit is about.

    Trying to ID that aircraft i'm thinking of. Its in the beginning of Goldeneye and I also think its in Sky Fighters(the protagonist is forced to fly one when he's kicked out of the air force)
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)16:52 No.10717969

    Too bad keeping one of their birds is out of the question. Just, ya know, in case something shows up.

    plus, napalm.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)16:55 No.10718017
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    No, I was replying to >>10717950, who was questioning the authenticity of the pic of a Berkut with two Flankers in formation.

    I suggested it was probably taken at an airshow.

    Sorry 'bout the confusion, have a Skyhawk ^^
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)16:57 No.10718047
    Ah that makes sense. Got it mixed up. And i'll never refuse a Skyhawk. ^_^
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:00 No.10718119
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    Here...one of these. Anyone got an ID on this? If I recall correctly this is a STOL capable aircraft. Couple of rocket pods and a door gunner would turn this into a fine little gunship.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:03 No.10718162
    I have no idea, but it might be somewhere on this list:


    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:04 No.10718195
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    Nevermind...found it myself. Its STOL for sure. Its even been armed too. Check it out.

    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:05 No.10718210
    Wait, think I found it:
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:06 No.10718232
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    Fukken ninja'd
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:07 No.10718246
    Nice timing. I found that same list minutes before.

    World record holder, military use, 10 passengers, STOL capable...i'm putting this in as my suggested aircraft.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:12 No.10718338
    And pretty damn cheap as well.
    Chances are it'll get knocked out of the sky pretty fast though if OP's group encounter more than minor resistance.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)17:15 No.10718388
    Are we still batting for Hinds on this mission? Musina-to-coordinates isn't much more than a couple hundred km on the map, but I don't know the Hind's range.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:16 No.10718393
    They're obviously of no use if OP's gotta dance with some Migs...thats what the Broncos would be for. They, at least, can carry a Sidewinder or two. A pair of each aircraft and they're golden. Hell a pair of AIM-9X are probably more expensive than a single PC6
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:27 No.10718582
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    Yeah, J-7s showing up could be a problem.

    Anywho, it's getting late, so I'm heading off.
    See you around, fligh/tg/uy out
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:29 No.10718616
    I'm not sure Steve will allow helicopters of any sort. As far as I know we have no stats for them and theres a huge difference between piloting a helo and a jet fighter. Not sure any of OPs flight is actually qualified to fly one.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/24/10(Thu)17:30 No.10718622
    Also, before I forget, archived this:
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)17:52 No.10718992
    Why hasn't an A/C-130 been suggested yet?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)17:54 No.10719016
    That says 200ft in the pic, not 2000.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)17:54 No.10719019
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    Because you haven't read the thread and understood the criteria.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)17:58 No.10719053
    Looking back at the mission brief i'm beginning to wonder why OPs flight was chosen for this one. They're obviously more fighter jocks than covert-op rescue mission types. Yeah its a game and variety is the spice of life but still...OP's flight isn't the only Black Flag unit in Africa obviously. Why not assign another unit with more experience in this kind of thing? eh...

    I'm not greatly concerned about possible air threats aside from perhaps a chopper or converted light utility aircraft. Considering the distance involved and the speed at which they'll likely be moving a tree top insertion should be a piece of cake. Even if the airforce does detect you they won't likely have enough time to respond in kind...unless of course they're expecting some sort of aerial insertion and, for some reason, are determined to stop it no matter what.

    No, what i'm more concerned about is ground threats OP isn't aware of yet. All available intel should be bought since they'll be flying in with even less between them and a nasty death than normal. Perhaps a long range imaging system should be bought and installed on one of the aircraft so that the target can be scouted from a distance before the flight moves in. Rocket pods and guns should be enough for this one but if someone's stilll worried about those J-7s aircraft with sidewinder capability should be purchased.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)17:59 No.10719064
    Because this isn't Modern Warfare 2?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:10 No.10719273
    Maybe because they have a reputation for getting shit done, or it could be a "who's closest?" thing and the black aces happened to be in the immediate area.

    See also:

    As VTOL jets go OP's probably stuck with either harriers or Yak-38's - if they can find 'em.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:15 No.10719364
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:19 No.10719424
    A Yak38 might actually be a moderately decent choice in this case. Yeah it can't carry much, hardly anything at all really, but it's capable of using that field and it'd provide a decent counter to any actual jets the flight would face.

    1 - Yak38, 1 - Bronco, 2 - PC6 perhaps?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)18:24 No.10719493
    Damn. Forgot my tags on that last post.

    I kind of feel silly for suggesting that Yak but it is a viable option. A harrier would be better but I don't know what the price and availability difference would be. Plus the harrier is just plain out over used when missions like this come up in any game.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:33 No.10719658
    The Yak would have the availability going for it, OP's group is on decent terms with the Russians, while weaseling a harrier out of the US would be hard, if not impossible (just forget even asking the Brits ).

    But still, this is assuming that the J-7's would even show up.

    If not then 1-2 attackers (super tucano, I would suggest a skyraider, but I seriously doubt OP's group would be able to find one), a bronco, and 1-2 gunship/transports would work great.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:35 No.10719690
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)18:42 No.10719802
    Less than a hundred Yaks were produced though(close to 50 if i recall) so they'd be equally hard to find in good repair and a short amount of time. Better to stick to prop aircraft in this case I think.

    Something like that turret bronco would be nice. I doubt you'll need all those mavericks though.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)18:49 No.10719951
    Don't forget that you're going to have to be transporting in eight soldiers, and bringing out anywhere from probably 8-15 guys.

    Ideally, you'd probably want one one pilot on air superiority to deal with any surprises, one pilot to do the hot landing, and wait until the hostages are picked up, and two guys loitering and picking off targets as needed, with a big enough boom at the end to leave the place a smoking crater.

    What you guys really need is a transport helicopter. An Mi-17 or a Blackhawk would probably be preferable, but an old Huey might do.

    If it's going to have to be a plane, you're going to need something specialized and civilian, like a Quest Kodiak, a Dash-7, or a Nomad.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)19:13 No.10720321
    Ah hell. I wasn't thinking about the hostages when I suggested the PC6. They're decent for picking up one or two guys...but 10 or so more? Not happening.

    Sigh...back to the wiki it is then.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:19 No.10720428
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    Have some CHANINT to go with your SATINT.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)19:21 No.10720476
    Perhaps a single Skyvan with some miniguns aboard for the rescue vehicle.

    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:27 No.10720588
    Wait just a million motherfucking seconds here.
    Holy shit it's the same place.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)19:33 No.10720693
    How do you figure?

    Oh and forget the skyvan...I still prefer a pair of PC6s. Rugged and they've got an amazingly short take off/landing distance. A gun in the door of each and you should be able to fit everyone in.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:47 No.10720940
    I can't find a good Topomap of the area though.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:53 No.10721039
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    Hey guys what's goin on?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:54 No.10721052
    Could the group perhaps purchase access to another airfield?
    There's a 4km long military runway there if you can buy rights to it, but it's 170km away from their mission objective, as compared to Messina runway which is closer to 70km away.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)19:56 No.10721085
    What range do the airplanes that P&M's group use have, anyway? 170km is fuck all for any modern aircraft.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)20:02 No.10721182
    They couldn't "secure" a proper field as they stated in the brief which means no one was willing to let a group of mercs use their field and keep quiet about it. It'd be nice to have a real black top field but I kinda like that Steve threw this one at them. Forces them out of their regular aircraft and into something that'll probably feel like a kite with guns after their modern AtA shit.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:02 No.10721197
    "Hey, South Africa!"
    "We're committing warcrimes, can we buy access to to the same airbase as your only active fighter squadron?"
    "We'll pay you."
    "Black aces pls go"
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:05 No.10721232
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    >a kite with guns
    I will strap a KITE to this GUN.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/24/10(Thu)20:25 No.10721569
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    What game is that, anyways?

    I should really look into that MiG Alley game.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)20:41 No.10721876
    I too would like to know what game that is.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:44 No.10721928
    >a kite with guns


    "Ben Franklin spent much of the American War of Independence in Paris. There the old tinkerer conceived of a weapon he called Ben's Brit Blaster. It was simple. Americans would dangle cannon from kites flown above the British soldiers. Lightning rods would funnel an electrical charge through the hanging cannon, and that would blast the Brits to smithereens."
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:51 No.10722037
    Get a V-22, paint it up like an American bird, fly it in.

    Why miss a chance to troll the CIA?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:51 No.10722047
    this is... I cant hate this.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:53 No.10722080
    It might be one of the games in the Strike Fighters series by Third Wire, IIRC they're kinda budget software but they're still good.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:54 No.10722086
    >Get a V-22, and crash due to a mechanical failure
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)20:57 No.10722148
    What aircraft have the sort of short, crappy runway takeoff capability OP needs?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)21:04 No.10722265
    A wiki list was posted several times earlier. There are few military aircraft that would meet the specifications...and only two jets that could do it and still call themselves fighters in any sense of the word. Its helicopters(if they're available), prop aircraft(mostly civilian/unarmed), a Yak, or a Harrier. Thats pretty much it.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:06 No.10722319
    Go for prop aircraft, then.

    Have a couple of the soldiers insert with some Stinger missiles and let them pop the Zimbabwean air cover.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)21:22 No.10722601
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    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:24 No.10722641
    Does OP's crew even know how to fly helicopters?

    It's not quite the same as a plane.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:26 No.10722679
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    According to wikipedia 231 were built, but only 50 were Yak-38M's - the least shitty version.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)21:27 No.10722681
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    I'm sure they're mildly qualified, and the brief said they'd get instruction manuals to study on the flight over.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:27 No.10722687
    An idea occurs to me.

    OP, how whats the closest possible airfield you could get to your target? If its within buddy-tanking range of your two BIGGEST planes, take the Su-30 and your F-18 or F-4 or Viggen or something as Air-superiority/anti-tank and use the tiny field for your transports.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)21:27 No.10722696
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    Why bother with the -38?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:31 No.10722756
    Buddy tanking would seriously limit the amount of ordinance they could carry, but still - some air superiority is better than none. Plus if they get two big birds in the air then most likely the other two would have to be transport/gunships.

    If possible I'd try to set up a proper tanker in the air (maybe see if the FFL are still in the area?) for the SU-30 and then go with a bronco loaded for bear and a pair of gunships.

    But still, what're the odds that they'll actually run into enemy air assets? Unless the rebels also hired mercs...
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:34 No.10722810
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    Because only four of the Yak-41's were ever built, and only two extant survivors remain.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:35 No.10722830
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    Interesting fact: the rafale can takeoff and land on a 1600ft runway.
    >> sukhooi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)21:36 No.10722840
    Except for the six in possession by Lockheed...
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:38 No.10722874
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    What're the odds Lockheed will sell them to a bunch of mercs?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)21:39 No.10722892
    They've gotta have at least one of them in something that can carry, land, and pick up at the target. Buying a tanker's not really an option. Buddy refueling would negate usable stores. They just need to buy some cheap stuff like we've been suggesting and go play bush pilot for an afternoon.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:39 No.10722897
    Wait. I'm confused. No expert on the Yak's, but why does an American company have more of a Russian fighter than Russia itself does? Just curious.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:42 No.10722942
    It was being developed near the fall of the soviet union, and when Yakolev ran out of soviet monies they shopped for foreign partners. Lockheed-Martin stepped up to the plate because they were beginning development of the JSF program.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:44 No.10722984
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    Picture related (Russian Federation marking on tail)

    Of note though, the only production listings I can find only state the four prototypes, not six (plus at least two)

    link related:

    Yakovlev OKB
    Version Quantity Assembly Location Time Period
    Yak-41 4 Yak OKB, Moscow 1985-1989
    Total: 4

    Total Produced: 4 a/c (1 structural article + 1 ground test article + 2 flight test examples)
    [Small Yak-41M production batch ordered early 1991 from Smolensk factory, but cancelled November 1991]"
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)21:47 No.10723021
    I'd forgotten about the 41 completely. Didn't know it hadn't gone into service though. I suppose I could have guessed considering how much actual use their carriers are getting these days.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:49 No.10723090
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    forgot mah link (cuz I'm a tard)

    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:52 No.10723156
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    I hadn't considered OP's team using helicopters before. Reading the mission briefing, I was confused as heck. What good is an airstrike going to do against a compound with hostages in it?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:53 No.10723176
    Wait...What? The Alamo B having a 70 Km range? Lolno.

    try 20 km if you're lucky and have a good tail aspect shot. Not even sure if the SARH model could reach past 50km.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:54 No.10723194
    It's not really an aistrike more of a land a small transport, disgorge troops, provide cover from the air, land to pick up troops and hostages, blow everything to fuck go home and get drunk.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)21:59 No.10723278
    Here's a thought: get some MB-326s, paint them up like Zambian aircraft, come in that way.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)21:59 No.10723280

    If they're lucky it'll be that easy.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:02 No.10723343
    Here, the perfect option: the de Havilland Canada DHC-5 Buffalo. Zambia operates two, so if you paint it up in their colors it won't be immediately obvious that Black Flag is operating in the area.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:04 No.10723388
    If they can take off from the shite airfield and they have time to mount at least a couple of machine guns in the waist those'd be pretty damn awesome.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:06 No.10723431
    And here's an escort aircraft: the Nanchang CJ-6. Prop plane, so it can take off from a shorter runway, and the Zambians operate them, so false flag is still possible. Also, you might be able to fit surprisingly modern weapons on via the hardpoints.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:08 No.10723471
    There isn't much time to do a repaint.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:09 No.10723491
    If there's enough time to learn how to fly a helicopter there's probably enough time to repaint your plane.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:10 No.10723511
    They're handing the pilots a manual to read on a flight, it's hardly good instruction.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:11 No.10723533
    Also, a shitty paintjob would probably fight the "Third World Air Farce" ambience.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:11 No.10723543
    Fuck, should be "fit". Freudian slip, I guess.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)22:21 No.10723714
    I've been wanting OPs flight to play up the False Flag angle once or twice but they've never done it. This mission would be perfect for it if it weren't for the fact that its a short notice posting.

    Also a single Buffalo would work very well as a gunship/extraction aircraft.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)22:23 No.10723771

    Except for the fact that the PC6 totally outclasses it in terms of take off and landing distances and speeds.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:27 No.10723839
    Looking at its specs, though, it looks like the PC-6 can't carry enough passengers to extract the soldiers and the hostages at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:31 No.10723913
    Except that they would need two PC-6's (10 passengers per, 8 soldiers plus an unknown number of hostages, minimum 1) or one DHC-5 (41 person capacity).

    The DH-5 also has a higher top speed (290 mph vs 153 mph - a pretty big difference), but a higher stall speed (and therefore landing speed, but it's not nearly as much of a gap as the top speeds).

    On the other hand the PC-6 has a good bit more range, and has a 600 foot takeoff distance, as opposed to the DH-5's 2100 foot distance.

    If they can swing it I think the DH-5's weight advantage more than makes up for it's size, range, and takeoff/landing distance.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:35 No.10724015
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    That being said, an AC-47 (or rapidly converted C-47/DC-3/Whatever) would be even better as it combines the short takeoff distance (900 feet) of the PC-6 with the capacity of the DH-5
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)22:42 No.10724160
    You must not be versed on current ALAMO ranges, the IR version is the world's only BVR IR missile, and the new SARH and ARH can do 70+ miles.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:46 No.10724216
    It all depends on whether false flag is desired. The problem is that, as best as I can tell, nobody in Africa currently operates a Spooky.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)22:51 No.10724316
    (different anon, and not arguing with you)
    I won't ever trust anyone's projection or statement of an AAM missile's range until I become a pilot myself and ask my flight commanders. There's too much false info in the pool.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/24/10(Thu)22:54 No.10724377
    Whatever the manufacturer tells you about your missiles, take 30% off, whatever your intel officer tells you about the enemy capability, add 20% to it.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)22:56 No.10724425
    Sukhoi, thanks for answering the PM, I think we're going to take your advice, haven't heard back from Judge yet though, so we'll see.

    We are going in helicopters, we can all fly them apparently, and finding a plane that can use such a small strip with a usable payload is tough. Not to mention there is no airstrip at the target zone (I asked) so helicopters it is.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:00 No.10724515
    How different are the rules for using helicopters instead of jets?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:04 No.10724594

    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)23:12 No.10724716
    Choppers? Really? Well ok then. I'm not gonna argue for fixed wing more than I already have. I just didn't know Steve had come up with stats for choppers and that you could fly them.

    That said what kind are you thinking of taking? Hind seems to be the favorite but a quartet of hueys would be just fine too. Or are you going to go the high quality route and get things like Tigers?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:19 No.10724833

    If they only wanted to rescue the main VIP, they could take Mi-28s, because they can fit 3 people each.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)23:25 No.10724929
    A pair of hinds, complete with AtA missiles, and a pair of Blackhawks or SuperHueys perhaps? Or maybe three hinds and some form of large single or double rotor transport.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:26 No.10724944
    But there HAS to be fighter escort in some fashion. The minimal risk of a single fighter of any kind attacking the choppers warrants it.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/24/10(Thu)23:27 No.10724978
    I won't be sure what we take until the day of, but we have a plan right now that seems possible, just waiting to hear back from Steve and judge.

    We thought about fixed wings, but they don't provide a huge advantage over the helicopters, on such a short trip.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:29 No.10725014
    170km is the distance?

    I'm thinking, air to air will not be necessary if OP plays his cards right.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)23:30 No.10725040
    Hinds are AtA capable...as are most modern attack choppers. Only IR capable as far as i know but still...its something.

    I'll be interested to see what you all end up using. Perhaps someone will use my favorite chopper. Not gonna say what it is...we'll see.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:31 No.10725047
    I, the glorious Anon, say it is too risky to go without fixed-wing Air Defense.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:34 No.10725092

    Have you considered Mi-28 gunships? They seem to have a good amount of payload, at 2400 kg of ordnance.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:35 No.10725124
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    seemed appropriate
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)23:40 No.10725209

    I personally prefer the Ka-50 over the Mi-28. More interesting and it suits the group more with its single cockpit design.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:49 No.10725361
    They all fly two seat warbirds.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:49 No.10725371
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/24/10(Thu)23:52 No.10725409
    Do they now? *scratches his head* Honestly they've been losing or buying planes so much lately that i've lost track. I have to be reminded what they're flying every time they go on a mission.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:53 No.10725425
    Well Judge didn't. And Scotch hasn't yet.

    Actually, what fighters have they lost?
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:59 No.10725536
    Sandy went into a building with his. Biscuit's came apart underneath him. Scotch, IIRC, lost his Frogfoot on the most recent mission.
    >> Anonymous 06/24/10(Thu)23:59 No.10725538
    Just a guess, but I'm thinking they won't use any helicopter South Africa uses, just so they don't screw over a potential customer.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:00 No.10725550
    Nah, Scotch had his Mirage blown out from underneath him. Judge lost the frogfoot.

    Where's the Vark?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:01 No.10725575
    They could go for Hips. Zambia uses them.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:03 No.10725618
    Out of curiosity, has there been any indication as to what the other BlackFlag squads have been doing these past few in-game months?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:06 No.10725667
    My guess? Shot down a polish plane, torpedoed a gulf oil well, sunk a south korean warship, amongst other things.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:07 No.10725682
    Sandy got tagged and flew into an apartment block at the very end of the Russia - Georgia arc. Apparently, his player took it poorly and left the game.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:08 No.10725706
    I know that, kind of a dick move on his part, Biscuit didn't complain, and he died ejecting!

    But Sandy plowed in while strapped onto his Fencer.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:09 No.10725721
    They also took the time to make sure FIFA picked that referee from Mali for the World Cup. And to spend some of their hard-earned money on the construction of a vuvuzela factory.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:11 No.10725763
    Oh, he did, didn't he. Huh, i always had Sandy and his Vark as a single entity in my memory.

    Um. Maybe it got liquidated?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:12 No.10725767
    >Apparently, his player took it poorly and left the game.
    Oh geez, I didn't hear THAT.

    That sucks.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/25/10(Fri)00:13 No.10725774
    The other two squadrons have been getting less contracts then us, the lower tier squadron (then us) has been doing Bush wars in Central Africa. I think this mission was supposed to be theirs but we got hired for our 100% success rate (which I can't imagine we'll keep much longer)
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:13 No.10725793
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    R.I.P. Sandman
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:14 No.10725807
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    >Only now realizes OP's group has not truly failed a mission
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:16 No.10725836
    How close are all of you to paying off your debts to BlackFlag?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:17 No.10725843
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    Warehouse he crashed into.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:18 No.10725864
    I think Hugs has already, but now that he's in the black he's just seeing how much he can make before retiring.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:19 No.10725884
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    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:19 No.10725890

    Not to mention shooting down a plane full of Australian Mining Execs in the middle of Cameroon/Congo.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)00:22 No.10725947
    Yeah not one yet. They haven't completed all mission objectives but they've gotten what they truly needed to done. Thats all that matters. And yeah...i doubt they'll keep that record going for much longer.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:28 No.10726040
    I'm reading the mission reports since I'm new to this.


    I just got to the part where they bombed the hospital, and people are complaining about the French Foreign Legion. I noticed mentions of it in this thread as well, have they done more jobs for them?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:29 No.10726047

    Stacks of 'em.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:31 No.10726086
    The one thing I admire about their GM is that he never pulls punches. There was no miraculous escape for Biscuit, he died, tangled in a chute. Sandman took a chance evading fire, and it finally bit him. Boom. Dead. No time to question it.

    Brutal, fast, harsh. You crash, you burn, you die.

    It really strikes a chord, I bet op and crew all actually fear getting hit, since you don't have much chance when you take a shot. You either luck out, or get blown up.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:32 No.10726096
    They've done one other job. I won't spoil it for you. But Thread 26 is fucking amazing.
    >> Air Action Weekly 06/25/10(Fri)00:35 No.10726153
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    Yup, I love that two. No badass final moments, no heroics, just a swift, sudden death.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:37 No.10726200
    I know this isn't /a/, but since it's relevant to the thread I'll bring it up: if you go over to Anime News Network, they're apparently streaming Area 88. I think both OVA and TV.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:38 No.10726208
    Let's face it, the GM makes awesome missions. The intel only tells half truths, and the events during a mission force you to make tough choices. Since ammo expenditure is tracked, you might not want to push out a lot of missiles, but on the other hand, a single shot is not a guaranteed hit.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:43 No.10726292
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    Someone needs to update the 1d4 chan page with the new stuff.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:46 No.10726329
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    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:48 No.10726365
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    I think the fact that we spawned writefaggotry and drawfaggotry from a homebrew campaign setting, that isn't 40k or made by any major company,. speaks to how awesome this game is.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:49 No.10726387
    Have you read Sukhoi's story? Made a thread into an awesome one.

    Remi and Jean-Claude

    Never forget.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:50 No.10726407
    No, your game is shit, enjoyed by three assholes who keep spamming this fucking thread onto the front page.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:51 No.10726425
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    You're fired.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:52 No.10726452
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    These threads are plane porn, I make no apologies.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 06/25/10(Fri)00:53 No.10726489
    No, anon, YOU are the shit.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:54 No.10726493
    hey, if they have any Anti air wont helicopters just be shot out of the sky like nothing?

    correct me if im wrong but helicopters can be easily taken out by 5 guys with RPGs
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:55 No.10726520
    If you give them a non-moving target. Helicopter's moving at speed? Not a chance against RPGs, but a MANPAD might have a shot.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:57 No.10726557
    Or, alternatively, lots of small-arms fire.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:58 No.10726572
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    Fly low, fly fast, and use your fancy optics to shoot people with 30mm death.

    Does OP have any idea what they want to fly? A couple hinds and some heuys? Maybe try and procure a Hokum or an apache?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)00:58 No.10726577
    True, but that's assuming they have a chance to shoot. Look at littlebirds, great planes, limited armour, tons of firepower.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:01 No.10726628
    I recommend Mi-17 Hips. They're in use in that part of Africa, so they won't stand out as much as other choices might.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/25/10(Fri)01:02 No.10726657
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    Oh I have an idea, I was thinking a Huey. It carries passengers, and Judge's player linked me to a site that shows it can carry miniguns, a nose mounted grenade launcher, and rockets.

    Anyway, I think I am out for the night, we are supposed to play either tomorrow afternoon, or this weekend, I'll post a report when we're done (hopefully right after so I don't keep you guys waiting)
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 06/25/10(Fri)01:03 No.10726668
    Oh, forgot, it is also really cheap.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:05 No.10726694
    That's a wing full of death.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:08 No.10726763
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    My prediction of this.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)01:12 No.10726842
    Oh yeah...huey gunships are cheap, versatile, and heavy hitting. Totally worth it though Mi-24s can take more punishment and can carry more ordinance(i think)

    As i said I look forward to reading your next report.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:12 No.10726857

    I'd say spring for at least one Mi-24, or a Mi-28, for extra rockety goodness. Another option is a Blackhawk for troop transport and then whatever heavy gunships you want.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:20 No.10726998
    See if you can get a hold of the Comanche prototype, just for shits and giggles.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)01:23 No.10727046
    Apocalypse soon, fellow stalkers!
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)01:55 No.10727713
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    Hellfires, not Mavericks :)

    Make sure to play Ride of the Valkyries, especially if you go with Hueys, OP :)

    Blackhawk is great. Can carry a decent amount of firepower as well.
    Anywho, looking forward to the AAR.
    Good luck, OP

    P.S. If at all possible, it'd be great if you could post Steve's chopper stats
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)02:09 No.10728033
    Sigh...those two always gave me a hard time when trying to ID them.

    Oh and that scene is one of my favorites in movie history.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)02:12 No.10728088
    It's all in the fins man ;)
    And the size ofcourse
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)04:36 No.10730528
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)05:54 No.10731425
    The UH-1 in any configuration has virtually no armor because it cannot lift all that much. A Super Cobra is basically the same bird, but without all the carry and lots of shooty instead.

    I'd go with armored choppers for this, because there WILL be unexpected AKs jumping out from anywhere anytime. Not only will an armored Apache, Hind, or Havoc give you the time to find the shooter and take him out, but they also have swiveling guns so you don't have to start maneuvering to get a target aspect when you come under fire.

    Most effective tactic with the heavy Russians: High speed strafing. Come in low and fast and unload on what you can spot, then leave quickly without ever even slowing down.

    With the Americans: Stay low, come at night, use any cover, even a tree if you can. Never let them spot you, Have plenty of firepower waiting, like artillery strikes, or precision bombs dropped from high altitude and guided in by your targeting.

    If the intel proves right 2 Blackhawks with door gunners should be sufficient to do the lifting and some fire support. A missile ship is always good to have, for this mission maybe with combined AtG and AtA loadout, can be jet or helo, if jet it can go in hot and remain on CAP for better awareness.

    You will want some Hydras on at least one of the helicopters. See if you can get the ones that disperse into shrapnel halfway to the target. Because the only other way to get infantry out of foliage is napalm, and we all know where that would lead to...
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:11 No.10731604
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    Don't fuck around with the gnats when you can take a real bug.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:12 No.10731612
    Shock and awe, I like it.
    But can you even arm that thing?
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)06:22 No.10731695
    Door mounted machine guns I think, but that's it.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:24 No.10731730
    CTRL-F Hind... Fa/tg/uys, I am appoint.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:25 No.10731753
    You can stick a third gun on the ramp as well. It does interfere with going in and out a little, but the ramp is wide enough that troops can walk on either side of the gunner and his weapon. Usually an M2 is placed there.

    So can you manage to scrounge up some miniguns or will you have to be going with pintle mounted M60s?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:27 No.10731771
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    At least make it a Super Jolly Green Giant.

    >Armament of three pintle-mounted General Electric GAU-2/A 7.62 mm (.308 in) six-barreled Gatling-type machine guns, with one in a forward hatch on each side of the fuselage and one mounted on the tail ramp, with the gunner secured with a harness.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:32 No.10731815
    Pave Low upgrades
    .50 FTW!

    "The HH-53H retained the in-flight refueling probe, external fuel tanks, rescue hoist, and three-gun armament of the HH-53C; armament was typically a minigun on each side, and a Browning .50cal (12.7mm) gun in the tail to provide more reach and a light anti-armor capability. The improvements featured by the HH-53H included:

    * A Texas Instruments AN/AAQ-10 forward-looking infrared (FLIR) imager.
    * A Texas Instruments AN/APQ-158 terrain-following radar (TFR), which was a digitized version of the radar used by the A-7. It was further modified to be able to give terrain avoidance and terrain following commands simultaneously (first aircraft capable of this unique feature).[citation needed]
    * A Canadian Marconi Doppler-radar navigation system.
    * A Litton or Honeywell inertial guidance system (INS).
    * A computerized moving-map display.[7]
    * A radar-warning receiver (RWR) and chaff-flare dispensers."
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:32 No.10731818

    Holy Goddamn what
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:48 No.10732017
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    Ain't she a beaut'?
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:50 No.10732034
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    Hind 'Classic'
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:53 No.10732075
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    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)06:59 No.10732132
    Mi-24 Super Agile Hind on ground 2006.jpg

    Mi-24 Super Agile Hind, a modernized Hind by the South African firm ATE. At the Ysterplaat Airshow 2006.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)07:07 No.10732194
    Under the Pave Low III program, the Air Force modified nine MH-53Hs and 32 HH-53s for night and adverse weather operations. Modifications included forward-looking infrared, inertial navigation system, global positioning system, Doppler navigation systems, APQ-158 terrain-following and terrain-avoidance radar, an on-board mission computer, enhanced navigation system, and integrated avionics to enable precise navigation to and from target areas. The Air Force designated these modified versions as MH-53Js.

    The MH-53J's main mission was to drop off, supply, and pick up special forces behind enemy lines. It also can engage in combat search and rescue missions. Low-level penetration is made possible by a state-of-the-art terrain following radar, as well as infrared sensors that allow the helicopter to operate in bad weather. It was equipped with armor plating. It could transport 38 troops at a time and sling up to 20,000 pounds (9,000 kg) of cargo with its external hook. It was capable of top speeds of 165 mph (266 km/h) and altitudes up to 16,000 feet (4,900 m).
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)07:08 No.10732204
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    The MH-53M Pave Low IV was modified from the MH-53J configuration with the addition of Interactive Defensive Avionics System/Multi-Mission Advanced Tactical Terminal or IDAS/MATT. The system enhanced the defensive capabilities of the Pave Low. It provided instant access to the total battlefield situation, through near real-time Electronic Order of Battle updates. It also provided a new level of detection avoidance with near real-time threat broadcasts over-the-horizon, so crews can avoid and defeat threats, and replan enroute if needed.

    Do want
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)08:15 No.10732708
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)09:13 No.10733208
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 06/25/10(Fri)09:25 No.10733327
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    Working on a story, will post in a bit.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)09:31 No.10733385
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:15 No.10734445
    Sweet! New story!

    I also support the MH-53M...if you can get one OP thats the bird you want delivering and picking up the strike team + hostages. Everything else can be a gunship if you get something like that.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)11:23 No.10734571
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    Whatever you do, take a Little Bird drone.
    The AH-6 literally flies itself, or can be commanded from another helicopter. It packs missiles and can load 2 personnel.
    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)11:24 No.10734579
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    And it has great range and a pretty high cruise speed (for a chopper at least)
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)11:24 No.10734590
    Forgot namefagging, derp
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:30 No.10734658
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    Might as well post some pics
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:32 No.10734691
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    This is the sort of flying you'll want to be doing on the run in and out.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:34 No.10734718
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:36 No.10734746
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    >> Anonymous 06/25/10(Fri)11:38 No.10734774
    There is nothing that describes the /sound/ of an approaching Sea King. It isn't exactly a sound at first. It starts as a tingling above your stomach. The vibration is so low and strong that all you can think is: Dragon.
    Then it gets louder and louder and every minute you think it couldn't possibly get louder still. When it's hanging above you you cannot hear yourself scream at the top of your lungs. Don't spread you arms or the downwash will tumble you down the street like a hurricane. It is truly impressive.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)11:40 No.10734811
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    Great, the A-Team theme song is now playing in my head :P
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:46 No.10734898
    I love that imagery as they come in off the ocean and over the beach spraying rockets and gunfire left right and center.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:53 No.10734995
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    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)11:56 No.10735025
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    Agreed, it's just so glorious
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:56 No.10735027
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    You only need one attack chopper if its this one. ;)
    >> Fligh/tg/uy 06/25/10(Fri)11:58 No.10735054
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)11:58 No.10735063
    Got the theme song playin right now. ;P
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)12:00 No.10735083
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    Make sure your door gunners are competent.
    >> Fligh/tg/uy !!siXysSo3rpU 06/25/10(Fri)12:03 No.10735122
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    Same here

    Also: testing123
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)12:05 No.10735154
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)12:08 No.10735190
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    Take two CH-53s and pick one of these up. Rebels certainly wouldn't be expecting that!
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 06/25/10(Fri)12:16 No.10735286
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    >> Fligh/tg/uy !!siXysSo3rpU 06/25/10(Fri)12:54 No.10735767
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    "They're trying to fly that tank"

    Man, I really gotta to see the new A-Team flick

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