I guess? Maybe? Need more context.

>>12316691
And a filled out one for reference.

Also, >>12316691 is the wrong template. Updated one coming up next.

>>12316705
Just give me a list of the info you need.

I was thinking it could be similar to D&D, but more modern weapon related. Each weapon/item has certain stats, etc.

>>12316691
>>12316707

So... "Equipment-Quest! The Eternal Search For the Liefield Spring of Pouches!" ?

>>12316725
Given that your character sheet only has different gear options then yeah, it'd kind of have to be equipment based. Reminds me of the X-Com startup screen though.

Weapons page.

>>12316725
Any particular reason you wouldn't just use d20 Modern or the current day bits from GURPS then? Not saying don't work on a system, just saying that what you're looking for might already exist and anything in those you don't like can be house-ruled.

>>12316765
I'm not very familiar with any of these at all, I'm not a usual /tg/ lurker. If you have something to point me to that is in fact already made, then you could just link me to it and I can delete the thread for ya.

Also, Items page.

>>12316765
D20 modern is horrible. You should feel bad for suggesting it.

As I recall, the game (Inna Woods, google it for the devblog, made by some guy from /k/) is kinda like JA2 1.13, turn based grid tactical whatsits.

>>12316783
GURPS is like a system for anything at all, but it's quite complex. If you were to look up GURPS (and GURPS: Modern? Not sure of the name.) on /rs/ you could get a copy of the rulebook.

But like I say, pretty complex.

>>12316725
>>12316765
D&D (and indeed all d20-derived systems) are fucking terrible for anything, let alone a modern game.

Dark Heresy minus the 40k shit actually works very well as a base for basically anything that uses guns a whole lot.

>>12316783
>>12316757
Woah, these are pretty cool. Did you draw all these? What do you plan for this game?

If it helps at all, I have sheets with fewer items and weapons to make for less work. I could always take a system that we might develop in this thread and apply it to a larger sheet such as >>12316783
>>12316757

Hey quick question.

Are the items and whatnot already measured out to fit the boxes of the template?

too lazy to open PS to find out...

>>12316783
No worries, just thought I'd ask. It looks like d20 Modern and GURPS both have tons of stuff in /rs/ if you just search for d20 Modern on there you should see one that's the core book plus some, as well as Guns Guns Guns which seems applicable.

d20 is the Dungeons and Dragons system, essentially. Roll a d20, add modifiers from skills and whatnot, determine success. I'm not familiar with GURPS, but I think it's a percentile, aka d100, setup. There are approximately more books for GURPS than there are words in any given bible.

If you'd like to just make something of your own, however, then fuck it I'll roll with it. Did you have any particulars in mind besides gear gear gear and more gear?

>>12316827
No, a designer did, as mentioned here >>12316791

Also, smaller equipment sheet.

Faaip de Oiad-Tool

A alien conspiracist gone mad trying to get the word out. The funny thing is he is right.

>>12316785
He said "like D&D" so I presented something from that ruleset. Besides, it isn't terrible it's just not great.

>>12316841
Yes they do. I have 2 filled out templates.

>>12316843
More mission based, (like a quest in D&D), the gear is just like the items in D&D, but modern.

I guess I could just use that system, but it seems to complex for something like this. Like maybe we could tone it down and simplify it a bit..?

>>12316848
If it's already a game couldn't you just play that?

GURPS is a good system but really complex. The book on the CIA got the writer in trouble for being so well researched.

So we're going to do some table-top X-Com?!?!?!?!

I'm all for this.

Maybe it could even just be a PvP type game, where you start off with a certain amount of points, each gun/item/equipment costs a certain amount, and then you duke it out with a buddy. Each win results in more points=more gear.

>>12316871 he's been working on the game for years, no news since last April, I believe.

>>12316854
What?

Assuming OP, and the rest of us, would like to turn this into at least something half-assedly playable we should address the basics.
1) Setting. Is this just modern day, or does OP have something alternate in mind?
2) What set of stats are we using for characters, if any?
3) Dice. What kind of dice will our core rolls use?
4) Damage. Hitpoints? Damage track, like Shadowrun or WoD? Crazy shit like RIFTS?

>>12316882
Gimme a second to think about a few of those and I'll post answers.

>>12316875
>>12316864
>>12316880

Interesting points, it is sounding a bit X-Commy. OP, are you looking for something that's actually an RPG, or more of a tabletop like Warhammer?

>>12316911
I like the character depth of a full out RPG, just not the complexity.

>>12316882
Modern.

HP, Strength, Psyche, and any suggestions..?

d6 would be simpler, but d20 is fine too.

Again, hitpoints makes it easier. Maybe you choose your soldier's nationality or military association and it determines your stats?

>>12316933
Like Navy SEALs have higher Psyche, but Army Rangers have more Strength.

How about you have 3 choices as to your character base:

Navy SEAL (Highest Psyche)

Army Ranger (Highest Strength)

Marine Recon (Highest HP)

And each starts with 100pts to choose initial gear with.

If you win your match, you get a leveled reward. If you lose, you get 1/3 of the reward.

>>12316933
So sort of a lightweight RPG then?

D6 it is, at least as far as I'm concerned. You don't even want to know the disgusting depths of my Shadowrun love.

One problem with choosing a military background by nation is then getting players together in a way that makes sense. Why would an Australian sniper be working with a drunken Russian grunt? Could make sense if the game is about mercenaries, but if you want to keep it inside a (reasonably) standard military structure it might be best to do something like base stats then select a class which adjusts stats and what you can do, similar to D&D.

At the beginning, only certain weapons/gear are available, but as you go up in rank, more is available.

I'm liking this so far, what about you guys?

>>12316882
Personally...

1.) Modern Day, well a few years in the future. Terrorism has replaced warfare making World War 3 not the Nuclear Holocaust we all expected but something more akin to an international civil war. Give it a sort of old west type feel, you're just trying to protect your spot of land or something like that. (Maybe to serious for the art...?)
2.) Whatever they are keep them simple, basic
3.) I've always wanted to do a 2d6 based system, even though the Bell Curve is pretty predictable. Aka: Stats of 7 or higher would be Godlike
4.) Again try to keep it simple...

>>12316969 kinda like >>12316957?

>>12316971
The art does kind of suggest an Army Men feel.

>>12316978
Or in the same order, it could be

Sniper (Psyche)

Heavy Trooper (Strength)

Rifleman (HP)

Another /k/ lurker here.

Originally, the game was going to be laid out in grid fashion (pic related)

I've played several D20 games, including D&D, and I don't think that system fits this all that well, but I don't know anything else.
If you guys do get interested in this and make something useful out of it, my hat's off to ya.

>>12316783

This is unrelated to your thread, but I'm a retard.

How DO you delete your own thread?

Also, digging the art.

>>12316899
Set it in the Gone with the Blastwave world!

GwtB is the best.

>>12316992
Check box by the first post in your own thread, then click delete.

>>12316996
I love that comic so much.

It could even be related.

>>12316990
hexagons are superior

>>12316990
There were more gameplay screenshots, weren't there? It showed the difference between night vision/thermal, etc.?

>>12316978
Yeah, I think that guy has the right idea.

So, Psyche is like willpower?
Instead of adding any other stats I think everything else can just resolve to skills.

How detailed should the skills get for guns? Like are we going to break this down pistol/rifle/heavy or just light guns/heavy guns or more detailed?

how about Ex-Com?

Like these are the washouts, retirees, underachievers, and former bad-asses that are represented in so many other games. Creates a mercenary atmosphere that allows for almost any mission from bank robbery to whatever. Or if you just want to duke it out that fine.

>>12316989
That might even be better since it allows players to fluff their backgrounds more flexibly.

>>12317030
pistol/rifle/heavy works for me. Yes, Psyche is willpower. Ability to sustain prolonged combat, etc.

Title of game: Mercs. Short, sweet, conveys the idea.

Uses this character classification: >>12316989

Pvp.

Guns and equipment use up a slot and cost points.

d6.

Anything else, guys?

>>12317053
So base stats would function like saves in d20 and combat would be through skills like CoC (or whatever that system is called)???

>>12317053
this
>>12317067
but with three skills is what I see (and like)

>>12316691
>>>/rs/phoenix+command&from=ALL

>>12317067
Sounds good.

Also, level up system is rank system (Private-Sgt. Major)

Also, changin name for easier ID from other Anons who don't notice the tripcode.

>>12317066
Well, we can either start pinning numbers on the stats, fill out skills, or move on to weapon abstraction.

>>12317067
Sounds like it, though with a d6 base the skill checks will be more like SR. Strength would likely be to see if you can move something as well as add hth damage and Psyche is for not losing your shit.

>>12317066
skills are modifiers or dice pools (I prefer dice pools) what are the numbers they aim to beat for a hit

Psyche determines what else from ability to fight longer?

It should do more than that, to be fair.

>>12317097 let's star pinning.

Slightly confused. Are you wanting to make a vidya or a pen and paper game?

>>12317117
*start

>>12317121
Pen and paper, brah.

>>12317106
I like dice pools as well. The base in Shadowrun, at close range, is a target of 4, with modifiers for lighting, recoil, gun or character enhancements, and GM dickery. Seems to work pretty well.

>>12317106

What if their number was determined by their psyche?

So their dice pool comes from the relevant stat, but how cool calm and collected they are determines their target?

I'm going to be honest, I think I should let you guys take care of the numbers bit, not because I'm lazy, but because you're more experienced.

I'll give input where needed.

Also, you guys have been great.

Thoughts on this:
Each gun has a range and damage factor, and you only get one magazine unless you use a slot to hold more (so reloading isn't really an issue).

>>12317134
This seems to work
>>12317138
the "base stats" seem like they will be best used as reactions or saves, as opposed to actively in combat

>>12317171

so super-lethal quick battles then?

This is what I would do, seeing as it is equipment based.

Everyone gets the same base stats. Ten wounds, a certain amount of max move, and perhaps a sight range as well.

Guns get their own stats as well, determined by /k/ in collaboration with /tg/. Accuracy, ammo counts, standard gear and max attachments.

Equipment raises or lowers any of these base stats. For instance, heavy armor lowers move but increases your wounds. A scope uses a slot on the weapon equipment, and increases the accuracy mod of the gun, and the sight of the character. Flares increase the sight levels of everyone within a certain radius, as well as the flare itself being visible for a great distance.

Equipment itself is regulated by price, with money is used in lieu of experience.

This system also regulates character creation by essentially saying that the characters are basically all equally skilled. No 'Super ultra killing machine mark 2' horseshit, just mercenaries or perhaps soldiers, with changes of the base stats up entirely to the GM.

It would take a while to stat out all the weapons, armor, tools, and miscellaneous objects, but that's how I'd do it.

>>12317133
Alright, just checking, because your pictures and shit look vidya-y.

probably the most important question when designing a system is what kind of game are you trying to run? Are you looking for gritty realism, epic/heroic, or grim and lethal, or what? You want to fit your mechanics to set the tone of whatever you're intending to do.

>>12317117
Pysche could apply to any situation that requires concentrating through distraction. For instance, laying in the rain for 16 hours waiting for your shot without sleeping or moving, or disarming a bomb while a rat is climbing up your leg.

Some weapons will obviously require a certain amount of Strength.

How are we doing weapon damage and how lethal do you want it? We should think about that before sorting out HP. I'm thinking the other two stats range 1 to 6.

Should there be a medic somewhere in this?

>>12317187
Yeah, Snipers get concealment to make it interesting, though.
>>12317196
That sounds perfect, but certain wounds use up more than one of the opposing player's wound limit (bullet=1, bomb=3, etc.)

>>12317215
With a radio equipped, you can call in a medic. It takes up two turns, and the medic can heal one wound slot.

>>12317196

I second the idea of a money system in lieu of an experience system. I like the idea of a Dogs of War type setting where you get paid per kill, and can then use that money to get better guns to get more kills.

What I'm not so sure on is the fact that you seem to be advocating a system where everyone is a clone differentiated only by equipment. I suggest a point-buy system where you choose between speed, wounds, accuracy, etc., and these stats simply don't change during gametime except for modifications by weapons.

rolled 83 = 83

>>12317196
perhaps 6-8 character options at the beginning that give certain stat boosts? (like races in D&D or SR)

>>12317187
>>12317187
>>12317215
>>12317230
I think health should be in the 1-6 range

Each gun's stats need to include weight, points cost, range, and number of wound slots it damages.

Certain items allow the player to patch themselves up, but it takes a number of turns.

>>12317244
Suggestions?

>>12317247
2d3 for base health guns do a base amount of damage from 1-4.

or base health could be raised to add more variation to the amount of damage guns can do, but I feel the ration should stay the same

Determining hits/misses could be like Arkham Horror.

5 or 6 is hit, 1-4 is miss. These numbers could vary by range or weapon modifications like red dots.

Oh hey, it's that guy from /k/ whose working on that game. How is development going?

So what is set so far:
You determine your class, which determines your greatest skill (Psyche, Strength, HP).

Turn based PvP.

Weapons and equipment cost points and use slots.

Each Player has a certain number of wounds they can sustain before dying. Equipment can change this.

Weapons are like >>12317254

Medics are still in question.

You know, I've never seen a /k/ and /tg/ interaction go sour.

I mean sure, /k/ can get a little annoyed when /tg/ gets some stuff that is considered 'gun basics' wrong, but other than that /k/ and /tg/ are always genuinely interested and curious about the others' hobbies.

Also, shi/tg/ets done.

>>12317302
I'm not that guy. I just want to make a pen and paper based off of his base stuff.

>>12317196
here, I'll be tripfagging for the duration of the thread.
>>12317230
Wounds inflicted would be determined by gun stats, which would be determined by caliber of the gun, and the type of the bullet.

Bombs, grenades, and other explodey weapons would have an expanding wound zone, 1ft-5ft causes 5 wounds 5ft-15ft causes 2, and so on and so forth. Again determined by /k/ommandos in conjunction with us here at /tg/.

The idea is we have a base stat for these things, like a bullets wound capabilities for example. Caliber raises or lowers that, as well as bullet type (Hollow point or FMJ and the like. I'm not familiar with more than that.)

Keeping it simple is pretty hard with this system, since we're working off of lots of equipment. Only having a few base stat mods keeps this in check, because a simple table can be used to look up the modifiers.

>>12317321
Oh, that's cool as well. Do you have a link to his blog, perhaps?

>>12317334
innawoods-broton.blogspot.com

>>12317339
Danke

>>12317350
No problem.

>>12317303
Thoughts on this? Additions, subtractions?


Exponents?

What I think we have so far
Basic Stats (need to determine starting values of these):
Strength - Endurance in combat (ability to withstand wounds, carrying capacity)
Psyche - Ability to stay calm in all situations (something to do with sniping maybe, or explosives)
HP (Wounds) - Amount of damage that one can withstand

Skills (dice pools with a starting # of 2???, base target of 4):
Heavy Weapons
Rifle
Pistol
Explosives
(Others: First aid, Knife, maybe others)

>>12317396
Sniper: Psyche 10, Strength 5, HP 7.

Heavy Trooper: Psyche 5, Strength 7, HP 10.

Rifleman: Psyche 7, Strength 10, HP 5.

>>12317243
I don't advocate that kind of character creation, I'm just saying that in a game that would use this system, characters would typically be mercenaries or soldiers, who all generally receive the same training and such. It inhibits min-maxing, and at the same time makes character generation fairly easy as all you have to do is pick from a selection of equipment you can afford with your starting money.

Now, I was thinking for accuracy that a range system could be used. If using a d20 system, start at 10 for 50ft, and increase by one for every ten feet (Rounded normally, 1-4 down 5-9 up). I've never shot a gun so I'd have to get some assistance determining what numbers would work here, so this is just an example.

Guns have an accuracy mod, determined by real world attributes like recoil, barrel length and the like. Again, assistance from /k/ would be necessary to find these numbers.

>>12317427
Dunno how helpful /k/ would be in this situation, and my knowledge isn't much better than yours, I'm sure. I know a bit more than average, but not a lot.

Honestly,
I think the game would best be served if it was switched to a purely gear based system. Base stats all alike, except for maybe a few exceptions for specialist backgrounds or whatnot. These should be minor though, +1, -1, here and there.

Converting gear shouldn't be too hard, perhaps time consuming but no too hard. A simple vest gives you +1 wound. Bomb Squad gear gets +3 wounds, but -2 move. etc.

As for guns pick a base round size. Say... 9mm. Make them like base 2 damage. Anything smaller is base 1 damage. Larger rounds are adjusted with some input from /k/ with some simplicity (hopefully). Guns are differentiated by whatever other traits accompany them.

>>12317456
I like this. What would you set the base stats as for the Sniper, Trooper, Rifleman setup?

>>12317456
no offence but i don't like these numbers
>>12317417
I like this more, I say 5 should be the basic stat for all players, but with a plus 1 to one of them based on background

>>12317456

Have the type of cartridge determine damage.

guns determine range, rof and other shenanigans

give certain guns bonuses to certain things, lmgs do better at autofire, accurized rifles do better on single shot etc, etc

Individual make and model weapons should have minor quirks to differentiate them, nothing more, that way people will want to try different things, instead of the whole party running around with the same model cause it's the best.

Also, make sure you keep the weight of ammo realistic, carrying lots of 308 tires you out.

>>12317484
Sniper: P 6, S 5, HP 5

Trooper: P 5, S 5, HP 6

Rifleman: P 5, S 6, HP 5?

>>12317509
Yeah like that. HP may need to be x10 so we can have more room to differentiate weapon damage though

>>12317527
Agreed.

>>12317470
Honestly, I'm a little unsure of numbers. It would depend on what kinda dice are being used.

d6?
Riflemen: S 4, Psy 3, Move 4, Hp ?.

Hp is going to depend a lot on what kind of damage setup we settle on. Again base it off round size. Differentiate guns with different characteristics that make them handle differently rather than, THIS IS THE BEST GUN EVER!!!
My numbers were pretty arbitrary.

What I think we have so far:
Basic Stats (starting values are a 5, but base class gives +1 to one stat):
-Strength - Endurance in combat (ability to withstand wounds, carrying capacity)
-Psyche - Ability to stay calm in all situations (something to do with sniping maybe, or explosives)
-HP (Wounds) - Amount of damage that one can withstand, this value is multiplied by 10

Skills (dice pools with a starting # of 2???, base target of 4):
-Heavy Weapons
-Rifle
-Pistol
-Explosives
(Others: First aid, Knife, maybe others)

So is someone setting numbers to gear/guns based on >>12317396
>>12317456
>>12317493
>>12317527
or should I?

>>12317493

Doesn't barrel length affect the round velocity, which in turn impacts the energy imparted to the target?

I'm not sure but depending on the system it might be good for a +2 damage in a long rifle vs +1 in a carbine and standard in a handgun.

>>12317585
I know very little of guns, but this will mostly be real world values, I think that caliber and length of the barrel (just divide into categories long rifle/ shorter rifle/pistol) should be simple enough to gain a starting point.

Range is harder though, start with +1 to hit for every 20ft... i dunno

>>12317585
I would love to help. I'm no /K/ommando, but I'm not completely firearm retarded.

But not knowing what kind of health system we have makes it kind of moot.

>>12317596

Yes, but really, there are a lot of different factors, I would really only differentiate between pistol, carbine and full size barrels for simplicity

>>12317596
I think that drifts into "too complex". Each gun should just be assigned a max range and damage, but damage varies based on distance.

>>12317648
Your Player has a base number of wounds (15) and each gun/explosive deals a number of wounds determined by range and damage assigned to it.

>>12317660

I guess you could go the Battletech route, where each weapon has a max, medium, and short range attribute, with varying damage at each range.

>>12317670

All weapons should do bleed damage, so if you are shot, its only a matter of time before you buy the farm, unless you get medical attention

Also, I still think each gun should just have the following stats: >>12317171

>>12317683
YES.
>>12317686
Eehhh... maybe.

MAKE THE GAME HEX BASED INSTEAD AND I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER AND EVER. BOXES ARE CLUMSY AND LACKS FLOW. HEXES MAKES EVERYTHING BETTER AND SMOOTHER.

Move Spaces per turn, how many does each of our 3 classes get? Trooper should have fewest, being heaviest, Sniper should have most, being lightest. Armor should add/subtract.

>>12317716
Yeah, I like hexagonal based. Diagonal attacks become possible, as well as easy to set up. Flanking and such comes in to play too.

Here are the 7 most common types of pistol ammunition (I re-ordered them based on what I think is size/damage... I might be wrong, just someone re-order them if I am):

2 - 9x17mm (9mm Browning, 9mm Short/Kurz, .380 ACP), FMJ
4 - 9x19mm (9mm Para, 9mm Luger, 9mm NATO), FMJ
6 - .38 Special (.38 Smith & Wesson Special), JHP
8 - .40SW (.40 Smith & Wesson), JFP
10 - .45ACP (.45 Automatic Colt Pistole), FMJ
12 - .357 Magnum, JHP
14 - .44 Magnum (.44 Remington Magnum), JHP

take the base pistol value (here is where the deadliness of the system is decided btw, I'll say it's 10 for simplicity here) and add the number to the left of the ammo type

this is for pistols only (i'll do a rifle one in a sec if this isn't hated) it also assumes health as established in these posts:
>>12317484
>>12317509
>>12317579

>>12317670
>>12317670

Well what do we want our base round to be?

.308 is fairly middle of the road. Although .223 is a more military used round.

>>12317747
.223

>>12317740
feel free to play with these numbers they are in no way final

the rifle ammo page of http://world.guns.ru/ammo/am03-e.htm is much more complex, I will need some help making sense of the info here

>>12317758

Alright, so this is the round commonly used by m16's and whatnot. There's a lot of bitching about it's one shot stopping power (at least according to everyone I know in the military)

So we're looking at killing in...2-3 shots? (without crits...if we even have those)

So with base 15(?) hp. You're looking at 5 base damage.

With this we can go the Long/med/short route and say 2/5/7 damage depending on range.

Does that sound alright? Obviously different weapons could have different traits to affect this performance.

rolled 11 = 11

>>12317795
cartrige measure goes (caliber X cartridge total length)

bullet weight is in grains(NOT grams)=64.79 milligrams.

E0 is the estimated energy of the round in joules

V0 is initial velocity of the round (muzzle velocity )

OP, what's the haps on your vidya game project? It's on ice or what?

>>12317853
Repeating, I am not that game developer.

>>12317836

OH, another caveat, if you don't mind.

You start bleeding whenever you're under 3hp, taking a strength test or losing one Hp per turn. I like the "oh shit, oh shit, oh shit, MEDIC" this could cause but whatever just an idea.

>>12317867
Added to my list.

I'm working in Notepad on everything I feel is set and solid on this game so far.

Here's what I have:
Mercs

Classes

Sniper:
Move 4
Psyche 7
Strength 5
HP 15

The Sniper is the calmest class, and is more proficient with long range weapons, which adds +1 to each Sniper class weapon. The Sniper can also more easily heal his/her wounds, subtracting 1 turn from the duration of each medic related Item.


Trooper:
Move 2
Psyche 5
Strength 6
HP 17

The Trooper is the toughest class, and makes better use of armor, which adds +2 to the Defense of each Armor class item. The Trooper can also make better use of explosives, adding +2 to all explosive based weapons.


Rifleman:
Move 6
Psyche 5
Strength 6
HP 15

The Rifleman is the fastest class, and can use any and all weapons on the sheet. The Rifleman can also able to make an extra Save attempt before Death.

rolled 18 = 18

>>12317851
>>12317795
now for some rifle ammo.

>>12317901
EDIT:

Rifleman can, instead of using any weapon, carry two primary weapons .

>>12317851
thanks

I'll try to come up with something more in line with this >>12317836
as it is far superior to my system right now, and I like the 15ish range for HP

>>12317901
Continued:

Each Player starts with 50pts to select starting equipment with.
Level System
Level 1: Private
2: Corporal
3: Serdeant
4: Staff Sergeant
5: Gunny
6: Master Sergeant
7: Sergeant Major
Death
Each weapon deals a number of wounds based on range to Player and weapon stats. When a Player gets to 3HP or less, he/she can call in a Medic to heal 1pt per turn. Once the Player gets to 4+ HP, Healing stops.

Certain Items allow a Player to heal themselves without needing to be <4 on HP, but when used, are gone.

Are we okay with the .223 template?

If so you can start converting over other round sizes. I would think that pistols would be much the same but with far smaller range.

These pictures are also a little misleading as they seem to include carbine and smg rounds as well. Which I think we can cover with different ranges. (Carbines and SMG's could round up the half damage bonus at short range to help differentiate themselves from pistols, etc.)

>>12318034
Continued:


Ghillie
If a Sniper is using a Ghillie suit, it subtracts 3 from Opposing Player's weapon range.
Armor
The three body armors are as follows

Lvl. 1 Body Armor adds +1 to Player's HP, and subtracts 0 from Move.

Lvl. 2 Body Armor adds +3 to Player's HP, and subtracts 1 from Move.

Lvl. 3 Body Armor adds +5 to Player's HP, and subtracts 2 from Move.

If the Trooper Uses Lvl. 3 Body Armor, he/she can still move 1 instead of 0.

Plates can be added to Armor, adding +1 to HP and subtracting -1 from Move.

>>12318037
I very much like your template, I took the base number from it and drew arbitrary lines to divide out the ammo, feel free to change this, as you obviously know more about this than me (I just drew the lines at notable increases in size, I realize this is a horrid way to do this) this is really just a suggestion as to how we continue

>>12318158

Way off, a 20mm shell that hits a person is going to kill him, no matter how much armor he is wearing

>>12318158

I wouldn't say you're too far off. There's a lot of bleed between 6's and 7's though. Most of this has to do with the size of the cartridge rather than the size of the actual projectile itself.

I would think that cartridge size could be handled in the range stat. Varying effective range balanced against (usually) the weight of the ammo and/or weapon. As for range itself, I like a bracket system like DH, as it's easy to work out.

Beyond that, we just have to go through all the guns in the pic, identify, stat, and trait.

YAY!!

>>12318282
lol yeah I know this is waaaaay wrong, it was only a suggestion as to how we continue, not at all with which numbers we continue, the guys who know something about that should be in charge of it

>>12318282

I really don't think we need to worry about a 20mm running around...that's just...insane...

But didn't you do a DH/RT modern weapons conversion? If so, is there anywhere I can see it?
I'd like to do some crime one shots with my group a la The Town and Heat.

>>12318155
Continued:

If a straight line can be drawn between a Player and his/her teammate, covering no more than 2 hexes, they may swap one Item per turn of the same type. (Each Player must exchange and Item, and the Items must come from the same Item slot.)
Headgear
Helmet class Items add +1 to HP, Hat class Items add +1 to Move, Shemaghs subtract -1 to Opponent's range, Gas Mask Items add +1 to Psyche, and negate all effects of tear gas, but subtracts -2 from all range.
Night Vision Goggles add +1 to Range in Night Scenarios, and Thermal negates Smoke Grenades, but Subtracts -2 from Range.

>>12317901
>>12318034
>>12318155
>>12318389
Thoughts so far..?

>>12318370

I actually made one for a fallout/dh thing, but it is far from complete.

Email me at wastelandwarriorsuptg@gmail.com ifn you want it

>>12318457
Still needs a specific use for str and psy

Ghillie won't work with what were doing to range

Base Move values should be closer, as it stands the trooper can't even wear heavy armor without being immobile

>>12318508
I accounted for the Trooper and Lvl. 3 Armor.

Also, new to /tg/, why do some posts have bold type that says rolled x=x?

>If the Trooper Uses Lvl. 3 Body Armor, he/she can still move 1 instead of 0

ignore me, still think move should be closer though

>>12318525
Alright. Now why won't ghillie work?

Working on Str and Psy, btw.

>>12318534
I can't really come up with practical uses for Strength and Psyche...

Sure Str. can just say "determines load bearing capability", but it should be better than that, I think.

I'm drawing blanks on Psyche.

>>12318522
we have a dice rolling function that goes in the email field
>>12318534
we only have 3 range categories, you can't subtract 3 from that, I would suggest a Psyche check (like a spot check in DnD) to find the sniper

>>12318569
Oh, I was assuming that each gun would be assigned a certain number for range, not that we were going with the short, medium, long range setup.

>>12318534
Str could be important to movement over rough terrain, and if melee combat ever came up it could be used to determine winner. The advantage to gear shouldn't be slighted, this should be a very gear heavy system and an extra piece would be a big deal

>>12318645
Well, we do have knives, and I believe bayonets are on one of the sheets.

Still clueless on Psyche, but I like the rough terrain idea.

rolled 1 = 1

>>12318666
>>12318569
Spot checks (combat awareness) is the only thing I can come up with. Maybe it could be used in giving/following orders?

>>12318666
I've set Strength to be a number added to knife and melee attacks.

I'm editing the numbers now.

Fucks sake, that was horrible timing for Captcha to break.

Anyway, what you have lined out so far is good. I don't understand the purpose of the Psyche stat but whatever.

I think if we're doing a class based system we should do it like >>12317244 suggested. You've really already done it, but it will be easier to create new classes using a modified base set system.

Alright, next is ammo. You guys are going WAY too in depth with this.
The picture in >>12317909 is very comprehensive, but it is too complex and complicated for this kind of homebrew. Only a really hardcore /k/ommando would give a damn.

We break it up into six or so ammo types. 9mm, .45, .308, .223, .50 and the like. They all get base stats, and the different types (FMJ, Hollow Point, Frangible) give modifiers to these bullets, which remain the same across the board to prevent confusion.
>>12318508
If we use the shooting system I proposed in >>12317427 then Ghillie can totally work. It subtracts from the accuracy mod, or increases the number required to hit. Either way.

Move values should be higher, as it allows for more flexibility and preciseness. Say, ten hexes base speed, modded by armor and other factors.

Also, my captcha keeps breaking. What should I do if it just starts disappearing completely when I want to post?

Psyche adds directly to Sniper Detect Rolls and what else? It should be more useful I think.

>>12318712
Aw dicks, and it didn't save my trip or name.

That was me, btw. I've been watching the thread and have been unable to post due to captcha completely disappearing on me.

>>12318730
If you get badly shot, you're not going to be thinking clearly. Psyche could be some save from locking up in a combat situation if you're wounded in a bad way.

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=1389

and

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/review.aspx?id=723

would be perfect miniatures for this game.

>>12318766
Maybe it just makes healing easier? The medic can heal 2 per turn on a high psyche Player because he's calm?

Or when the Player self-heals, it's more effective?

rolled 5 = 5

>>12318730
Psyche should add to all sorts of combat awareness anything... determining the direction of gunfire... uh spotting anything... identifying what is shooting at you (what kind of weapon)

also stressful things, dealing with explosives under circumstances, or remembering the fastest way out of a particularly large building

also dice are rolled by "dice+<what you are rolling>" you can add "noko+" to the front of it

>>12318783
I'd say it's important for more than healing. Let's combine ideas.

rolled 2 = 2

>>12318783
healing could be added to it... it is stressful to heal during combat so a medic can do it faster if they pass a check makes sense

>>12318813
That makes it seem less PvP and more full out RPG, which I like but it would take more preparation for each session. A lot of things here have meta gamer bugs, too, such as knowing where the Sniper is actually hiding, because you can see him on the game board.

Also, testing rolls.

amidoinitrite

rolled 1 = 1

>>12318850
I was really just getting lots of stuff out there so you could choose

>>12318864
I'm putting "noko+dice+1d6" in the email field try from there

rolled 19 = 19

>>12318895
Ah, I didn't specify the number of dice.

>>12318850
Perhaps if you declare that you're hiding before the battle, people have to roll a number to be able to see where you're at. Ghillie suits increase this number, and every shot fired from that one position decreases it. It doesn't need a stat, just a base roll of say 15 on a d20, and then modified as the battle wears on.

>>12318926
Yeah, but the Opposing Player can still plainly see you on the board and move strategically accordingly.

rolled 5 = 5

>>12318926
this seems really good actually, so if they move you re-roll?

>>12318962
It also makes the Sniper easier to see each turn he makes a shot from the same spot.

The Sniper should get a bonus for each turn he stays still though, to compensate.

>>12318951
Typically, if it were you hiding you'd be shooting at NPC's so it hardly matters anyway. PC vs PC combat doesn't happen too often, but I think you'd just have to clear where you are with the GM beforehand and just not be on the board until someone spots you.
>>12318962
I'd say if they end up moving during a battle they'd likely be revealed and unable to hide again, so it would be rendered moot anyway. But yeah, if you managed to somehow move without being seen (GM discretion, I suppose) then the rolls would be reset.

>>12319011
I like that second part. You tell the GM where you move, he makes the Player's re-roll, and they think oh holy shit.

I'm thinking a boardgame designed to be top down and vaguely similar to original Metal Gear/other NES games could be interesting.

>>12319081
I think that's the idea so far. Played on a hexagonal board to manipulate angles.

Certain maps would have multiple floors, too. Not just be lateral based gunfights.

>>12319031
Here's what I mean.

Lets say we have a sniper wearing a Ghillie suit, which mods the spot roll by +2.

That sniper shoots four times without being seen, so his opponents now have to roll a 13 or higher to spot him. He then gets up and his opponents make another check with the same goal of 14. Providing they still don't see him moving to his new spot, he reaches it successfully and declares that he is hiding.

The roll to see him is now reset back to 17, as opposed to 14.

>>12319127
Can you better explain where those figures came from? I kinda lost track.

Holy shit, so much to take in lol.

Still reading through the thread, just wanted to pop in and confirm that this is an awesome idea.

>>12319182
It is in fact an awesome idea. If you could manage to get back to Lindale sometime before I deploy, I still have the board it could be played on, brah.

>>12319153
I actually mistyped one of the numbers, the fourteen is supposed to be a thirteen.

But to answer your question.

A sniper declares he is hiding. Normally, his opponents have to roll a 15 to be able to see him. This represents normal battlefield camo and such. However, this sniper is wearing a Ghillie suit, which increases that number by +2 to 17.

His opponents now, before they act will roll a twenty sided die to spot snipers. They will do this as part of their turn, regardless if there are actually snipers.

Lets say the sniper makes it four turns without being seen, shooting every turn. Every shot lowers the roll needed by one, so now he's at 13.

He decides that this is too low, or that he doesn't like that position. He then gets up and moves, and his opponents get to make another check with the same roll of thirteen needed. If they spot him, he cannot hide for the rest of the battle, or until he leaves line of sight of his opponents.

If he makes it without being seen, he can re-hide and all the negative modifiers go away, so his opponents now need to again roll a 17 to be able to see him.

>>12319244
I follow the process, but where did the initial 15 come from?

It's late for me, I may just be suffering from stupidity as a result...

>>12319199
Nice dubs.

We're planning on getting back soon, since I just started at Jalapeño Tree, and more visits are soon to come, I'm sure.

>>12319272
Just a base number, like the rest of the system. It would be the same for everyone, and would be the required roll on a 20 sided die before modifiers.

Semi-related, it's me in regards to this thread.

>>12319288
Nice dubs to you as well. You shoulda seen my 666 earlier.
>>12319299
So the base to detect any Player will be 15..?

Seems like the Trooper would be relatively easy to spot.

>>12319300
Post fetching, mate. Nice dubs again.

>>12319244
Dubs. Dubs everywhere. Don't you think a Ghillie should reward a buff higher than 2, for something that's class-specific?

Or are their multiple ghillies, and this one just isn't one of the best?

>>12319343
>>12319323
Dubs, dubs somewhere.

Also: there, not their.

>>12319343
I have post-fetching active, but I really just wanted to use that .gif

Maybe as the Sniper levels up, he makes better use of the Ghillie.

We just have one seemingly universal ghillie, btw.

>>12319323
Again, that's why we use a modifier system. It's a base number that represents typical battlefield camo and training. A Trooper may be able to hide just as well as another person, he's not physically that much bigger or wearing bright flashy colors, but firing an automatic weapon or the like is going to make the number required to see him drop like a stone in a black hole, and his low move means he can't run away or move to a new hiding spot very easily.

>>12319365
Gotcah.

Like I said, late for me...

>>12319362
I love that idea.

Are we going to have MoA gear, that lvls up with you, as a rare drop? What about items with Hidden Potential?

rolled 7 = 7

>>12319380
*Gotcha

Fuck.

Rolling to stay awake.

>>12319362
>>12319343
It's a stand in number, like everything so far. It's just an example for now, but the modifier cannot carry over twenty, as we don't have mods to the spot roll right now, and rolling a 21 on a 20 sided die is really really hard. Some would say it's impossible.

rolled 19 = 19

>>12319386
>MoA gear

wat

>>12319389
We appear to be the only three in the thread right now anyway, so feel free to email me everything you have.

If you want, remake the thread tomorrow. Can't promise I'll see it though.

>>12319400
>impossible

Hah! I laugh in the face of adversity.

>>12319409
Gear that lvls with you. Might make up for universal items, I was thinking.

>>12319417
Yeah, I'll get with you through e-mail when I flesh out my ideas a little more with my partner in crime, Professor Keeling.

e-mail field related.

>>12319417
TGR?

>>12319433
I'm sending you an email from my actual address then. That's just the one I post on 4chan and never check ever.

>>12319456
bawls, I just e-mailed it.

>>12319425
Joey, give the man your e-mail.

I forgot it, too.

>>12319480
Can do.

Also: 'bout to eat beans with ham hock that've been cooking in a crock pot and smelling wonderful for the last five hours.

my body is ready, tastes good man, etc

>>12319509
Pic related?

Getting off now, gf back on.

rolled 96 = 96

now I am wondering at what types of specialty ammunition could be included.

>>12316691
BROTON, WORK ON YOUR GAME GODDAMNIT.

SHIT LOOKED AWESOME.

I beleive someone should save this on a blog before the thread 404's

>>12323353
Professor Keeling, myself, and HellzYeah are collaborating to finish this pen and paper project. We'll update /tg/ anytime something new comes up.

F5 so it'll still be here when I get back from STALKER.

Because I am craving STALKER hardcore now.

Bumping to keep thread alive. I just tried to start a new one and was extremely surprised that this one has not yet 404'd.

Please continue shooting ideas back and forth, we were making good progress.

Try not to focus so much on the bullet specs of each gun, we don't need it that complex.

Don't mind me, just heading back to Page 1.

>>12318389
Continued:

If a straight line can be drawn between a Player and his/her teammate, covering no more than 2 hexes, they may swap one Item per turn of the same type. (Each Player must exchange and Item, and the Items must come from the same Item slot.)
Headgear
Helmet class Items add +1 to HP, Hat class Items add +1 to Move, Shemaghs subtract -1 to Opponent's range, Gas Mask Items add +1 to Psyche, and negate all effects of tear gas, but subtracts -2 from all range.
Night Vision Goggles Subtract -2 from all required score on Player Spot rolls in Night Scenarios (Example: normally, a Player must roll a 15 to Spot an enemy in Night Scenarios, with NVGs this drops to 13), and Thermal negates Smoke Grenades, but adds +1 to all required scores on Player Spot rolls.
Radio based Items reduce the time it takes for the Medic to arrive by one turn.
Strength is added to a Player's knife or melee attack.

Psyche is added to a Sniper Detect roll, and makes the Medic heal the Player an additional point per turn, and adds a +1 to all Medically related Items used by a Player.

More bumpins, we have a good idea rolling here.

Anyone here from last night..?

Or am I talking to a fresh batch of people?

reminds me of drawinganons stratedgy peak oil game setting

>>12329224
Not familiar to me. I'm a new /tg/ browser, so you'll need to give me that in layman's.

peak oil survivalist game was good, send the guy an email drawinganondude@gmail.com colaborate on something.

>>12329241
I don't own any of these images, this is just a "for shits and giggles" project.

These are all owned by BROTON from /k/.

It was a quest game of epic proportions. if you need art for environments etc get him in on the project.

>>12329270
Again, this is only pen and paper, it won't be a full out vidya game.

Summerville raid was fucking sweet.

Alright, just had an airsoft thing pop up, I gtg. Keep this thread from 404 so we can pull some new ideas.

Bump for op, this shit looks fun

bump

>>12316691
People of Earth, lend him your bumps!

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/12316691/

Archived for Posterity!

>>12316882
>1) Setting. Is this just modern day, or does OP have something alternate in mind?

Given the hammer & sickle armband, it seems it's either set before the Soviet Union fell apart, or that it never did dissolve in this timeline (or it did, and has since come back into power, though that's less plausible really). Given the suggestions of >>12316971
I'd say we're looking at a near future alternate history with the Soviet Union still in existence and a global quasi-war with both sides sponsoring mercenaries and terrorists to strike at each other without going into an official conflict that can escalate into nuclear war.

This could mean the players are mercenaries/undercover special forces operatives, sent to accomplish various missions and objectives without revealing their identities and causing a diplomatic incident that could lead to open war.

>this bayonet

With this bayonet, I shall CRUSH FASCISM!