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    191 KB Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:51 No.12457067  
    So which is the superior light bipedal mech?

    inb4 dreadnoughts, madcats and other heavy shit
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:53 No.12457088
    Whatever it is, the matrix one is fucking bottom/
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:53 No.12457089
    You've got at least three distinct classes of mech there.
    >> !FUWKDATAss 10/15/10(Fri)20:54 No.12457098
    Wolverine, because he's the only one that comes with exponentially more buddies (and infinite munitions)
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:55 No.12457110
    Raven, hands down.

    Missiles, Lasers, strong ECM capabilities, nothing else comes close.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:55 No.12457114
    we'll overall the Terran Goliath is the most well balanced both in weaponry and in structure.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:56 No.12457123
    dreadnought wins

    But seriously, there are many different classes of machine here. The Imperial AT-ST and I believe the RVN-3L are like three times taller than the rest of them.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:58 No.12457138
    Terran Goliath

    Shit rapes air units.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:58 No.12457146
    The Raven is also friends with that Catapult over the hill.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)20:59 No.12457149
    the Zion, MK-6 and wolverine are heavy.

    Id have to go with the Goliath
    it has stabler legs
    >> Da Killboss 10/15/10(Fri)20:59 No.12457158
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    None of the above, pic related.

    Because how many were originally designed to transform into a helicopter gunship, but was finally built to transform into a police hovercar?

    >spiricag could

    That's irrelevant, captcha
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:00 No.12457164
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    Fucking sentinal. Why? Cause it has a motherfucking lasercannon attached that would tern each one of these motherfuckers to slag.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:01 No.12457180
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    Shockwave Generator FTW!
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:02 No.12457190
    Sentinel it has: solid choice of weapons, better than minimum armor, can be configured for anti infantry work or anti tank, option of adding a hunter killer. Raven is a close second but I think I'll take a mission specific loadout of the ravens versatile medium lasers and missiles.

    Though I'll take <<<------- any day of the week.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:03 No.12457200

    I hate to side with the 40k and/or Starcraft crowd, but I have to give it to the Sentinel or Goliath.

    - Avatar suit has a huge vulnerable glass cockpit and retardedly complex articulated arms and hands. There's no reason for it.
    - Zion APU has the pilot completely exposed, and there's the whole hand thing.
    - Wolverine looks like it would have trouble negotiating a mild incline, and that's on smooth pavement.
    - RVN-3L's entire "body" section is way too big and front-heavy for its legs.
    - AT-ST's legs are too thin, and the whole thing is too tall for good balance.
    - ED209 is a little front-heavy. Frankly, it would be an amazing machine if they would fix the retarded AI pilot.

    Sentinel and Goliath are low enough to the ground for good balance (and not getting shot), especially the Goliath with its wide stance. Their legs look durable enough to withstand some punishment, and their modular weapon mounts can carry some pretty heavy firepower. Goliath looks toughest, Sentinel looks like it would do better in rough terrain.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:04 No.12457210
    You do realize the Raven has several of those, right?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:04 No.12457212
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    >superior light bipedal mech

    Alright... that I get...
    But for what role? Combat? Recon?

    Do we want a cheaper Brawler, a Sniper, a hit-and-run type of unit? Or straight up recon? Is it supposed to be made to fight tanks? infantry support? Other robots?

    Because for many of the above, I can think of better alternatives than the Raven to represent Battletech.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:04 No.12457214
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    <<<------ is meant to be a puma
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:05 No.12457221
    need more Japanese mecha OP, you only have one
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:06 No.12457224
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    You begin inside your base.... you know where the action button is right? You'll need it...
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:06 No.12457225

    Loved that game so much, playing multi-player ON THE SAME KEYBOARD! good times, good times.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:06 No.12457230
    Exactly what I was going to say.
    Brofist to you, fellow broanon.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:07 No.12457234

    Mechs are only good for one thing - Bringing near-tank-level firepower in terrain too rough for tanks. Anything bigger than a Sentinel is going to be a juicy target for ATGMs and aircraft.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:07 No.12457235
    Terran Goliath has a DICK WEAPON.

    I pick that.
    >> The Liberator !!i6VhQxiWSFz 10/15/10(Fri)21:08 No.12457246
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    Lagann, if spiral energy/magic can be counted. (It's light.)

    Goliath otherwise.
    >> girder 10/15/10(Fri)21:08 No.12457249
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    The one that can transform into a hover car.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:08 No.12457251
    No, mechs are useless. For bringing tank level firepower in 'terrain tanks cannot enter', you use aircraft. If a tank can't go there, there's a good chance a mech can't either.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:10 No.12457265

    That's why X1ALPHA can hover

    It's superior to them all... except Sky Captain
    >> girder 10/15/10(Fri)21:10 No.12457267
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    Two people beat me to it!
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:11 No.12457274
    So it's like flying a tank in, except the tank flies in on its own.

    I like it.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:11 No.12457278
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    Votoms all the way
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:11 No.12457279
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    Too bad I couldn't find a proper picture of an Imperator-class.
    >> girder 10/15/10(Fri)21:12 No.12457282
    Sky Captain is a bitch.


    That's right. I said it.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:12 No.12457288
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    You left out the correct answer, OP.

    Captcha: 1++ supturg

    Damn straight, captcha.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:13 No.12457294

    Aircraft cannot hold a position. Small mechs (bordering on power armor, really) would bring valuable heavy support to infantry in locations where all the fighting is done by infantry - The jungle is the first place that comes to mind.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:13 No.12457297
    The Raven is HUGE compared to the others FYI.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:13 No.12457298

    You can actually spend most of the game as a hovertank

    Mech form is mostly for precise movement along cliffs and the like as well as jumping onto higher surfaces. As well as combat, as the mech can strafe faster than the hovercar.

    But nothing beats tearing down a highway as a hovercar with a riotshield (read: forward facing forcefield the instantly disintegrates anything it touches... even airborne opponents)
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:13 No.12457299
    This is why I love /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:14 No.12457309
    Definitely the Raven. Hooray for sensor dampening!
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:14 No.12457311

    I... LIVE... AGAIN!
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:15 No.12457321
    terran goliath coz penis cannon herp
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:15 No.12457323

    Each base has a hover tank generator.


    Hover tanks seek out the enemy base.

    When one of your hover tanks enters the enemy base, you win.

    Sound simple?

    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:16 No.12457326
    Aircraft cannot hold a position, but heavy weaponry delivered by aircraft can. much more efficent than a mech. Powered armour on the other hand, might be worth it.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:16 No.12457333

    The Prawn Power Suit is damn cool and pretty lethal, but it is unfortunately Power Armor not a mech.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:17 No.12457341
    also no vital suits? WHY NO VITAL SUITS?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:18 No.12457345
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    Well, if you're just going for "brute force" on a light 'mech, then the raven is WAY fucking off.

    Ignoring yea much clantech, which inevitably dishes out more firepower than most other designs can, a glance in the direction of the Wight or the Hollander show two of the biggest contenders for "Dishing out the most hurt", the Wolf Hound also being a good contender with a more balanced range mix, and even the Osiris and Raptor OC/OF can dish out some serious hurt.

    The Raven is just there to set up for attacks from bigger, scarier designs.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:18 No.12457350
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    because we're the only people who played that game
    >> Nephanim 10/15/10(Fri)21:19 No.12457353
    How do you even know how to operate a keyboard?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:19 No.12457357
    Please tell me you can download Future Cop somewhere.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:19 No.12457360
    For the Future cop fans


    This game is such a tragic example of why you need a marketing campaign to sell your product
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:20 No.12457362
    1) Raven
    2) Terran Goliath
    3) AT-ST
    4) Sentinel
    5) GDI Wolverine
    6) ED-209
    7) APU
    8) Avatar Suit
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:21 No.12457373

    Remember. Hover tanks. Turrets. Points. Crying.

    >> Moap !fbIKgAOqsY 10/15/10(Fri)21:23 No.12457390
    By it's very stance its apparent it's the most manueverable, and starcraft units, they never miss
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:23 No.12457391

    I still remember that theme music

    BOW BOW!
    BOW BOW!
    >> His Divine Power 10/15/10(Fri)21:26 No.12457415

    You dont need shockwave generator if you had the RIOT SHIELD!!!!

    just use the grenade launcher if this is the case. kills turrets in 1 hit in precinct assault and an upgraded riot shield will obliterate sky captain.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:27 No.12457429
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    >>12457390and starcraft units, they never miss

    ...because they can't dodge
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:29 No.12457444

    But good luck hitting an opposing player with that Grenade Launcher (although to be fair it feels REALLY GOOD when you do)

    When playing my friends we usually tended to avoid using the riot shield, as it always felt like cheating
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:29 No.12457450
    One thing I loved about Precinct Assault, the single player mode all takes place in a single day.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:32 No.12457475

    Dear god I loved playing LAPD Future Cop back when I was a kid.

    >exactly foallo

    Well my name isn't Foallo, Captcha, but its good to see you enjoyed playing it too.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:34 No.12457486
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    Look at this.


    Now look at the post.

    Now... uh, yeah, just look at LL and forget about the post.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:35 No.12457498
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    >>Aircraft cannot hold a position

    Imagine this, but with much greater fuel efficiency and the weight and firepower of a normal fighter. By the time mechs will be possible, such an aircraft will be possible.
    >> His Divine Power 10/15/10(Fri)21:36 No.12457511
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    i like the CONCUSSION BEAM!!! 8D

    It can cancel out those annoying shots the enemy turrets make.

    also, the Le Brea Tar Pits level is my fav in the campaign. because in every other level you fight some sort of super machine at the end or whatever.

    In the La Brea Tar Pits, you fight a woman while dodging the tentacles of some giant eldritch abomination she summoned that are sprouting from a whirlpool of blood.

    ...FUCK YEAH!!!
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:36 No.12457514
    I used to play that. Sometimes took a hawk moth, against lone enemies I hugged cover and ran passive to get close, then circle strafed them to death. Killing an atlas by sitting right behind its head was hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:37 No.12457523
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:40 No.12457548

    Shields are taking damage from the blood!

    One of my favourite things in this game was the Lighting effects... part of what made it so fun was waiting to see what kind of fantastic boom things would make
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:47 No.12457603

    Where did those bats get laser beams?

    Why are they boxes?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:50 No.12457635
    Not really, no. Aircraft are still far more limited in terms of ground control: even the most efficient air vehicle possible would still require fuel to stay in the air, and unlike any sort of ground vehicle, would be essentially unable to benefit from the terrain. Even if it could idle in one place for hours at a time, you wouldn't want it to, because that would just give whoever you're fighting enough time to pick it off at their leisure.
    >> His Divine Power 10/15/10(Fri)21:51 No.12457639
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    >> SWARMLORD !F0s3L.0fFM 10/15/10(Fri)21:55 No.12457684
    I am sorry... But what is the point of the mech you want?

    all of them in a FFA situation?

    Or duels between them, until we have only one as victor?

    Also, keep in mind the size diffrences..
    Light mech, I only see 3. The raven is a medium from what I know.
    At-ST is a light mech.
    Cadian sentinal is a light mech.
    Goliath as the other light mech.

    The others are Battle-Armor sized.

    So, Clan Elemental wins all.

    For reals.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:58 No.12457704
    If you DO have aircraft hovering over a position, and are able to disregard fuel costs, you still have the problem of profile.

    This is also a problem with most bipedal 'mechs (and one reason they're really not as useful as tanks), but it's much greater with VTOL.

    We make tanks as short as we can because we've found it makes their operators live longer.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)21:58 No.12457705

    This picture made me realize how hardcore WH40k copied the sentinel design off of Star Wars.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:08 No.12457802
    Raven is a light mech. 35 tons.
    >> SWARMLORD !F0s3L.0fFM 10/15/10(Fri)22:08 No.12457803
    Actually, there are some uses for a mech instead of an aerial craft.

    For example, the mechs can occasionally move faster than a normal VTOL, and are much more heavily defended by their armor. A stable firing platform, such as the Catapult, can mass missile spam and destroy just about any Aerial fighter, or other mech. A scout mech, when formatted to do so, such as the Shadow-cat, can move significantly faster than any kind of ground vehicle, while still having the capabilities to defend itself. An assault mech-lance, can just about destroy a large city, especially when fitted with enough heat-sinks and laser weaponry. A medium, or large mech does very well in regards to mixing the capabilities of assault and light mechs.

    Personally, I prefer a Puma which moves at around 150 kph, and is outfitted with flamers.
    >> SWARMLORD !F0s3L.0fFM 10/15/10(Fri)22:09 No.12457813
    Thank you... I didnt remember as well as I did when I played the game.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:15 No.12457876
    Goliath has the best voice, so it wins.

    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:20 No.12457920
    I'm probably the only one who liked the Matrix APUs here.

    R.I.P., Captain, you beautiful son of a bitch ;_;
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:22 No.12457930
    Yes... except that if you can do any of that with a mech, you can do it more easily and better with a tank, or a helicopter, or a plane. Or, you know, almost any other vehicle that isn't precariously balanced on two fragile, overly complicated legs.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:27 No.12457976
    I prefer these four.

    Wolverine always appeals to me because it's a small cross between mech and power suit. It also looks fairly cheap to mass produce, and is somewhat fast in game.

    Terran Goliath I like due to the useful combination of its weapon systems, except I would think autocannons would be for infantry/air, and missiles would attack armor. I also don't really know how fast/fluid the mechs are.

    Sentinels hold a special place in my heart. They're customizable, and there are hundreds of variants in their construction. They can be refitted for use in multiple missions, and move quickly.

    The Avatar mech is more of a power armor in my book, but I do really like its fluid motion. Why a mech would have an interchangable weapon system like that is beyond me, though, as it seems one would just simply integrate it into the mech rather than build/code manipulator digits to operate one, unless you were also employing the mech for hostile environment facility work (Such as a space station or a world with a temperature/pressure hazard.).
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:30 No.12458010


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    Get away from her you BITCH!!!
    >> SWARMLORD !F0s3L.0fFM 10/15/10(Fri)22:43 No.12458130
    What do you mean two legs?

    Pff. You must not know much about the Battletech Universe.
    (They have mechs on four legs too.)

    And the tanks and helicopters you speak of are no match to the Mechs. (Think in terms of both size diffrence, and of weapon-power.)
    The planes and such (aero-space fighters) are amazing weapons of war, but ones that are blown away by the dropships, and the mechs themselves.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:45 No.12458152
    The only mechs that stand a chance there are the Sentinel and maybe, maybe, the ATST.

    ED is small time. The powered armours are also small time. The Goliath has like, what, the equivalent of a CBT AC/5? Two of them? I'm not so sure about the Wolverine.

    At least the Sentinel is in the same line of work as the Raven, and mounts what I'd call a large laser, but lacks the sophisticated electronics of the Raven.

    The Gurkha's pretty sweet, but is a WoB design. ER PPC, 4 SLAS, a sword, 7.5 tons standard armour, and 120kph run speed.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:53 No.12458223
    Oh dear. You all forget how much a BT mech can take punishment.

    And even worse, you all forget how guerilla warfare works.

    I hope your rear armor is thick.

    >encies tatterd
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)22:58 No.12458267
    Yes, and they will also be big targets. You could've posted an Mi-24 or somesuch instead.
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    >and starcraft units, they never miss

    Looks like someone didn't play protoss very much back in BW.

    Reavers were notorious for sometimes shooting duds or just flat out missing.

    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:04 No.12458325
    >For example, the mechs can occasionally move faster than a normal VTOL
    >can move significantly faster than any kind of ground vehicle
    The mechs that can do this are the most unbalanced and unrealistic mechs ever. A mech that could also walk but can fly faster than a VTOL? You mean, like the harrier aircraft? That makes no sense, then they'd be able to make much faster aircraft.

    Legs faster than wheels? How would that even be possible? Do they move at the speed of sound, up and down like chicken legs? Or are these rollerblade mechs?

    A mech has some semi-plausible points that you can argue about being "superior", or rather "more suitable for this situation", one of which is mobility.

    But mobility, in this case, does not equal speed. That's just retarded.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:06 No.12458346
    I LOVED these mechs, but the prefered the other one. They look really close to my ideal "realistic mech", if such a thing can exist.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:08 No.12458365
    They're faster because they can cross rough terrain with fewer issues. On a flat road the vehicle is faster, but in practice the mech is able to get from point A to point B in less time because it isn't as limited by terrain. Hovercraft (like everyone's favorite, the Savannah Master) are blindingly fast on open terrain, but in anything else the mech has them beat.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:09 No.12458383
    Then they are not faster, but more mobile. And this does not explain the tripfags claim that a mecha could be faster than a dedicated aircraft in anything but a "OMG mechas rock!" manga edition setting.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:10 No.12458395
    VTOL's are vertical landing and take off vehicles, not Aerospace crafts. There are mechs which can transform into flying vehicles, and can perform as Aerospace fighters. VTOL's such as the harrier are a mixture of helicopter and jet technology, if I remember correctly. As such I do not believe they classify as VTOL's to the extent which we are discussing.

    (sidenote, firebug reported 9001 errors with 4chans script.. Coincedince?)
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:11 No.12458402

    Don't listen to Swarmlord, he has no clue what he's talking about. Pumas moving at 150 kph? They can't even do 100 kph, never mind 150. And the Shadow Cat doesn't beat "any ground unit" for speed. It's a stereotypical clan medium. It's quick, but not ridiculously so, while still leaving enough room for a good payload.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:12 No.12458411
    not mecha. specifically Mech.
    Dedicated aircraft will obviously move faster, but a VTOL most likely will not.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:13 No.12458419
    Work on your builds. Play the old mechwarrior games. You will see, they can get damn fast when built right.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:13 No.12458424
    Oh, so we're talking about transformers. As much as I love them, they really are in the "OMG MECHAS ARE AWESOME" manga edition side of mecha talk. If that's the case, there's no reason to discuss anything but rule of cool.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:13 No.12458426
    Well, there is a specific mech, the dasher, which is built for pure speed. It's tiny, and is mostly engine, leaving it with little in the way of armor and weapons (compare to its larger kin anyway). It can travel faster than many VTOLS and is generally considered to be more of a really big battle armor transport that also happens to be able to fight than a straight up combat unit.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:15 No.12458447

    They are called LAM's.
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    How about the WaD from Turn-A gundam
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:16 No.12458456
    Yeah, that's a transformer.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:17 No.12458464
    What's the maximum speed for a 'Mech? It looks like an ultralight could make 200kph with almost all space taken up by the engine.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:17 No.12458466
    I'm talking about actual CBT, not mechwarrior. The Puma is a heavy hitter, just barely fast enough to keep up with the light mechs that it was designed to kill. If you want a fast mech, you pick something else. The Dasher or the Piranha, something of that stripe instead of just gutting a Puma until it bears no real resemblance to an actual Puma.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:18 No.12458473
    Dasher can do that with MASC.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:18 No.12458479
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    Very well. Rule of cool then?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:18 No.12458483
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    a bipedal mechs thread and nobody has mentioned...
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:19 No.12458488
    Oh I forgot about MASC.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:20 No.12458498
    He made that claim because he doesn't actually know anything about battletech mechs.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:21 No.12458512
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    >implying engine swap
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    Because we actually wanted an argument and discussion about mechs, not to end the thread by posting the best
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:23 No.12458536
    Wolverine for me
    More likely use a mech to crash through walls and wait for ambush or unmanned mech like wolverine to spread smoke,flashbang and confusion in general.
    Also,planes have armour made from aluminium so hovering around is not a good idea since a guy might pop out of barrel and take it down with is underbarrel grenade launcher.A guy in Chechnya took down a Mi-25 with a Gp-30 so I doubt a plane can take that much damage.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:26 No.12458566
    129.6 km/h

    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:26 No.12458571
    The fastest Production variant? 194 KPH standard if you're taking a Fireball, or 214 for a Dasher with MASC engaged. Neither are exactly the most durable of designs, though. You can usually throttle up to about 151 KPH before a design's sole purpose is to show off how fast it can move.

    However, there's a custom Locust in the Wolf and Blake Starterbook that has used Tacops gear to run at a top speed of 298kph with MASC engaged.

    The pilot's image is already used in this thread at >>12457212
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    This entire post.
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    Raven isn't a good example because it's pretty much purely a stealth/spotter/EW mech. It's not designed to fight anything itself, it maneuvers into a good position and calls down artillery.

    This is a much better example of a combat oriented light mech. Its actually significantly lighter than the Raven.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:28 No.12458582
    Roadrunner RD-1R
    ->248.4 kph

    (The current World Helicopter Speed Record is held by the Westland Lynx at 217.5 Kts (402 km/h) using specially designed high-speed rotor blades. )
    >> Papa !NurglevYtE 10/15/10(Fri)23:29 No.12458608
    Oh you fixed the image issue finally OP? I was expecting it to be reposted with a fixed image right after you deleted the thread.

    There are only three with armored cockpits that seem to deter 50cal anti tank sniper rifles. The rest are out.

    AT-ST, Sentinel and Woverine.

    AT-ST and Sentinel seems to have literally no method of getting back on their feet if they fall over.

    Wolverine wins by sheer armor placement and the ability to get back on its feet in any conditions.
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    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:34 No.12458651
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    >MFW everyone I meet who doesn't play Battletech automatically assumes cockpits viewports are made with plate glass.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:36 No.12458669
    You know a Battlemech's cockpit windows are basically just transparent armor, right? Armor as strong as what's on every other part?
    >> Papa !NurglevYtE 10/15/10(Fri)23:38 No.12458689
    First assume all of their weapons are equal, and armor is equal.

    Then assume that the "glass" would be everywhere if it beats plate. Which I don't see the whole walker made out of transparent material.

    Crack and shatter the transparent material, guess what? It now has compromised your visual radius. Scream "target computers!" all you want, its still compromised.

    We can barely push metal to stop a 50cal anti tank round without being abrams thick. How the hell are you expecting a transparent material to block a futuristic 50cal that can probably go through ten abrams by the time walkers are made to fight?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:39 No.12458695
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    raven hands down, its got the most armor of any of those designs,, runs on fusion, carries a pair of lasers each with the destructive capability to destroy a half ton of armor in 1 shot, carries a 6 pack of missiles with a literal ton of reloads, is fast, and has a lot of electronic warfare equipment.

    AT-STs are killed by what rolls down stairs alone or in pairs

    ED-209 only carries light autocannons, is easily confused, cannot navigate rough terrain, is is not all that well armored being only a police vehicle.

    Sentinals are the closest match, but often have exposed pilots, have a lot less weaponry, and a lot less armor.

    Goliath, decent armament, but it can still be brought down by a bunch of guys with assault rifles or some bugs shooting spines at it.

    APU is a poorly designed death trap. Here let me put the pilot right in the center of mass with zero protection, let me leave all the ammo feeds horrendously exposed to get tangled or snapped or caught on stuff.

    AMP suit is a minivan with arms and legs, it gets its ass handed to it by furries.

    wolverine is small and slow.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:40 No.12458703
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    >well, maybe not AS well protected, but it's certainly considerably more protective than mere bulletproof glass.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:41 No.12458712
    Mechfans often assume that while mech-technology advances in singularity-esque leaps, conventional weaponry and vehicles stagnate. This is very unrealistic, unless the mech is the super end-all. But yes, if you can build mechs this good, you can build tanks, aircraft, small arms and AT weapons just as good. Advances arn't in single fields.
    >> Papa !NurglevYtE 10/15/10(Fri)23:41 No.12458715
    There's only so much plot armor a person is willing to swallow. If you roll off popularity as an excuse to make it "fine", then look at twilight cheerleader fans and cryptic vampire fans being the same thing.

    >clear armor as good as the rest
    That's a good one. Another reason not to play battletech and stick with mechwarrior where headshooting people is as small as a few pixels. The way it should be.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:44 No.12458739
    >Then assume that the "glass" would be everywhere if it beats plate.

    Not if it's more expensive, more difficult to produce, or is inferior in some other way.

    >We can barely push metal to stop a 50cal anti tank round without being abrams thick. How the hell are you expecting a transparent material to block a futuristic 50cal that can probably go through ten abrams by the time walkers are made to fight?

    You're asking this question about a game based around combat between giant fusion-powered robots? I think you'd have better luck complaining about Battletech's FTL.
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:44 No.12458742

    There is a great material which is transparent, it is acquired by super-compressing Aluminum, and is used in making bulletproof glass for things such as Armored cars.

    Now let us assume that Ferro-Fibrosis can do something similar, and can also become transparent.

    Why would you coat a mech in transparent armor, especially when that would reveal exactly where all your nice bits would be?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:46 No.12458760
    1. No one ever said it out and out beats plate armor (it probably beats modern armor, but not the ferro fibrous armor that it and other battlemechs mount), it's just capable of stopping fire similar to the armor. However, battlemech cockpits are significantly more durable than mere glass.
    2. The raven is a poor example anyway, as it isn't designed for combat. It's a light scout/spotter. See >>12458580
    For a light mech that was designed with combat in mind.
    3. The Raven has one of the more advanced sensor packages on a battlemech. You could probably paint over the windows and still be able to maneuver effectively. It has the windows because of point 2.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:47 No.12458764
    >There's only so much plot armor a person is willing to swallow.

    And if you personally have trouble swallowing this, that's fine with me. It makes absolutely no difference to me what you think about the cockpit screens on a Battlemech. But I like to argue.

    >Another reason not to play battletech

    It doesn't seem like you needed any more. If it bothers you that much, don't play. Or at least ignore that part of the fluff.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:47 No.12458767
    Ok a quick and dirty SSW job revels that a 20 ton clan mech built for pure speed, and outfitted with a XL gyro, Small cockpit, and a XXL engine as well as MASC ends up with something like 19 / 29 top speed, 38 when boosting using MASC. I have no idea what that ends up being as actual top speed, and it should be noted that this design has no protection what so ever other then pure speed and a set of endo steel internals. Still, barring some rare lolmagic tech from a new source, this is about as fast as its possible to make a mech.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:47 No.12458769
    dude, battletech armor...

    a raven's cockpit has 6 points of armor. It can take 3 bursts of fire from machineguns that weigh approx half a ton.

    or 3 direct impacts by short range missiles

    or 1 medium laser (capable of destroying half a ton of armor) and still be intact

    or a direct burst from a medium sized autocannon, and still remain intact.

    in other words 50cal is not gonna do jack shit
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:48 No.12458770
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    >How the hell are you expecting a transparent material to block a futuristic 50cal that can probably go through ten abrams by the time walkers are made to fight?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:49 No.12458784
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    >Ctrl F
    >Exo Squad
    >None found
    You fuckers best be jokin'. Don't give me shit about the differences between a mech and a mechsuit.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:51 No.12458798
    > conventional weaponry and vehicles stagnate

    Battletech doesn't. Tanks and other weapons benefit from many of the same advances that mechs do. They mount similar weapons, utilize similar armor technology, and in some cases a similar fusion reactor to power the whole thing. Tanks are competitive with mechs in terms of sheer cost effectiveness, they're simply not as versatile per ton. Conventional vehicles, aircraft, artillery, battle armor, and even standard infantry are all an integral part of a successful army in CBT. Combined arms forces consistently beat pure or near pure mech forces, both on the table top and in the fluff.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:51 No.12458799
    You have a few light mechs and a few powered armor in that image op, what are you asking for exactly?

    Power armor: Wolverine, more than likely.
    Light mech: Goliath is the average one, sentinel has the better loadout for weaponry, at-st has superior mobility. Goliath and AT-ST are limited to the base weaponry (Twinlinked autocannons and dual SAMs on the Goliath, twinlinked Spun Tibanna Gas Blaster Cannons on the AT-ST). Sentinel wins in a batman situation, Goliath wins in a general situation. AT-ST gets destroyed by Ewoks, and replaced by the superior AT-PT.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:51 No.12458806
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    This one gets my vote because the stop-motion animation they used for it made it fucking CREEPY LOOKING. To this day, I find that animation, with that bot, far more terrifying then most horror movies I've seen. Uncanny valley, bitch.

    And the bad guy cyborg they had in the second movie...? When it was hunting people in the locked warehouse...?

    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:51 No.12458809
    I think I'm going to give you shit about the differences between a mech and a mechsuit.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:51 No.12458811

    And it should be mentioned that at the speeds you'd be piloting this thing, the first divot, pothole, or animal burrow you ran into would likely tear the offending leg off and leave you faceplanting at something like 350+ KPH. Which without any protective armor would end up turning this hideous monster I have created into a ball of scrap metal and a crushed pilot under a giant fusion reactor.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:53 No.12458828
    Speed scales by 10, so 38 would be roughly 380kph.

    Did you try a supercharger too?
    >> Anonymou... Never mind. Im a raptor. !Mjk4PcAe16 10/15/10(Fri)23:54 No.12458837
    ...How large do you think a mech is?
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:55 No.12458842
    Actually,wolverine is an unmanned scout mech.All GDI walkers in Tiberian Sun are unmanned.Only in third tiberium war they put cockpit to juggernaut. Check the cutscene of GDI 3rd mission, the wolverines sliced by lazers has no pilots.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:58 No.12458880

    Well, a 20 ton mech is pretty damn small. And going at that speed, it probably wouldn't really matter. It should be noted that BT speed actually scales by very slightly more than 10. 14 speed = 151 kph. So 38 speed means well over 400 kph. That's ridiculously fast, the slightest terrain problem will trip it up at that speed.

    Which is probably why there are no battlemechs that actually go that speed, or anywhere even near that speed. The closest you get is the Dasher (a bit over 200 kph in short bursts).
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:58 No.12458883
    seiously i cannot comprehend how people can even choose the AT-ST

    Its slow, undergunned, underarmored, and killed by logs and teddybears. Fuck man that is a piece of shit.

    Sentinels usually feature exposed pilots and run off internal combustion power.

    Goliath is ok, but it can't use half of its armament against land based opponents. Against land targets they only have a simple autocannon for defense.

    Even though its not a brawler, all that well armored, or armed, the raven is still a monster compared to the rest of these.
    >> Anonymous 10/15/10(Fri)23:59 No.12458888
    I honestly haven't touched C&C for years, so I wasn't sure on the Wolverine.

    I'll place the wolverine in a tie with the Goliath for best Average light mech then. I have problems with AI piloted/remote piloted mechs, personally.

    Also, this is now an Armored Core thread.

    Quad leg master race here, digitrade and bipedal are fags. Don't mind me guys, just using back mounted crouch weapons while moving.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:03 No.12458936

    Forgot about a super charger. Ok now the Blaze ends up with a 18/27/45 top speed, and a ton of ferro-fiberous armor and a ERSL located in the Left Arm. Still my point about this thing being a goddamn deathtrap remains, it doesnt even have any armor in the back and a hit anywhere but the head by anything heavier then a single SRM or a MG will tear right through the armor. And theres also about a dozen different ways for this thing to go hideously wrong even without someone firing at you. Clearly some clan Khan ordered the construction of this thing to compensate for something.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:04 No.12458945
    Raven or Goliath pack the most ordnance. And Raven can move just ridiculously fast. Definitely Raven.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:05 No.12458970
    And the sport of Battlemech Racing was born.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:07 No.12458992
    Obviously the Ice Hellions. They were always the speed freaks of the Clans. Also one of the most childish, arrogant, and insecure of the Clans. One of their most recent military campaigns was little more than a giant temper tantrum.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:08 No.12459015
    Should also allow blowing up structures to rain debris on your opponents or crashing down a building on top of your opponents.Jumpjet+cockpit kick should be illegal though.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:09 No.12459021
    "If you can catch it, you can kill it. But you ain't gonna catch it."

    This is the type of thing there would only be one of in the known universe. With one pilot lucky enough to maneuver it at top speed without splatting, not to mention avoid all weapons fire ever. It is built specifically for trolling.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:12 No.12459061
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    Actually thats about the only reasonable use the Blaze could actually be put to, and a racing role would allow you to yank the ERSL thats using up a half ton and use it to armor the central torso more. At 20 tons and with a whooping cost of 18.5 million C-bills, (of which about 90% of both its weight and cost is the engine) it costs almost as much as your average clan 75 ton heavy mech, without being actually useful in any kind of Trial.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:15 No.12459094
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    For shame, for shame! Does no one remember the game media push behind this one?

    This depends entirely on the joints, really. Most mechas, even japanese ones (keep in mind what they are doing when they 'move fast,' using boosters, time displacer devices of a sort, sliding, wheels-on-feet, they're using physics around them to get to their destination or an external source, not their 'own power') walk like diseased and ragged old men. One which jogs and bends like a man at even half the speed would be flexible enough to move where tanks couldn't. They would likely be deployed for cavernous close-fire support where planes would be in danger of whacking into a cliff (or cliffracer)
    Really, it makes more sense for mechs to trend towards light than heavy, as heavies are just tanks that are easier to immobilize. Goat or Llama-legged lights would be good for the reasons
    pointed out, also helis are affected way more by wind so they also have their limitations.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:15 No.12459107

    In all honesty you would need to be a Jedi or something to actually pilot this thing at speed for longer then 30 seconds.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:17 No.12459126
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    Hussar here, I mean over there, I mean eat large laser biotch
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:17 No.12459129
    Or for destroying unprotected sensor beacons/alarm systems. Somehow I am imagining a group of steiner atlas chasing it afterwards.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:19 No.12459155

    You mean a Steiner "Recon Lance" wondering what the hell that streak across their radar screen was?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:22 No.12459212
    Or some sort of specially-bred pilot (Reflex Caste?) with a genetic profile designed specifically for controlling such an ultra-dangerous machine. Like an aerospace pilot, but better. The best and brightest of the Caffeine Corps.

    >Atlases trying to chase this thing

    That is the greatest image ever.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:23 No.12459216

    I am almost saddened that I can't trade in some of the starting 10 Double Heat sinks to earn some extra tonnage to use for more armor and maybe a ERML or two. As it stands it isn't even breaking 10 heat at full speed.
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    I remember it being advertized in an old Computer Gaming World magazine...

    I never grew up with Consoles. I got into fighting games and JRPGs for a bit... but as soon as that weeaboo phase of mine cooled off, my Dreamcast and PS2 began to collect throngs of dust.

    My laptop gets all my attention, and I have not seen any game that has inspired me to buy one of the current generation consoles.

    As for that game... the artwork for the ads was nice enough, but the role of "Backup Mech Game" was already filled by Earthsiege 2, and tertiarily by Virtual On at the arcades.

    Battletech was my first and strongest love for the giant robots. I don't think I'll ever jump ship.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!pz0lGlfeAp1 10/16/10(Sat)00:28 No.12459290
    Firebases were here, that tactic is expensive and cheap mines will destroy mechs. Did you learn nothing from Vietnam?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:34 No.12459354

    Heck you couldnt even use regular parts with this thing, the sheer speed at which it travels would shake it apart in seconds. It would have to be some super rare, one of a kind prototype concept model that you'd wheel out to show off to fellow Khans or something.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:44 No.12459485
    Considering how expensive it is just to build, let alone maintain, and the difficulty in finding/outright producing a pilot, this is quite a symbol of affluence. It's also a horribly foolish thing to spend your money on, but at least it can actually do something, unlike, say, a solid gold dropship. This would not only convince everyone else that you have more money than God, but also that you are so insane, arrogant, stupid, or all three, that you would actually consider developing it in the first place.

    I like the idea that this 'Mech is just part of a well-crafted plan to lure political opponents into misjudgments, and then totally surprise them with actual competence.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:47 No.12459512
    The standard steiner recon mech being, of course, the Banshee 5S. It goes 64 kph, that's 10 kph faster than an Atlas!
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:49 No.12459530
    Well I just figured out how I can make this thing faster, more complicated, more dangerous (to the user), and more expensive. According to my rather half assed calculations, LAM transformation gear takes up approx 2 tons for a 20 tonner mech, Since the current version of SSW doesn't allow for the design of LAM's we shall just have to pretend. Now the reduction of the top speed to 17/26/43 buys us 2.5 extra tons, of which 2 shall go to the LAM gear, and the last half a ton to the purchase of an additional ERSL. The LAM brings in all the delightful weaknesses of a Mech and a Aerospace fighter, with some additional ones, such as being able to be trapped in a single mode with a lucky critical hit, the difficultly of training a pilot to operate both modes effectively, the fact that it cant really measure up to a dedicated mech or aerospace fighter, and a tiny fuel reserve of 30 points. The upside is it allows use of the Aerospace speed scale, which means this thing tops off at something like 5000 KPH in aerospace mode if I did my math right, and ups the cost to the realm of a 100 ton omni-mech.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:51 No.12459555
    It's like a Gundam without the effectiveness.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)00:54 No.12459581
    >solid gold dropship

    I lol'd

    To be fair, the speeds at which Blaze-2 or 3 is capable of traveling, you'd be better off developing an AI to operate the thing for you. I don't know how possible that is in Battletech though.

    If I ever actually run a Mech Warrior Campaign, I am using some Ice Hellions Khan as the designer of this and also the BBEG for the party.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:00 No.12459639

    Thats almost the point, the only way you'd even actually design this thing would be as a thought exercise, and any Khan actually ordering its construction would be conducting a total waste of resources and time, barring some kind of fucking miracle from the eugenics program. Coupled with the fact that its so mechanically complex its likely to explode the first dozen times a unlucky warrior begins the start up sequence...
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:04 No.12459677

    It looks like the only computer systems complex enough to be close to AI date back to the Star League. There probably aren't many "modern" examples.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:09 No.12459740
    Still, to be the owner of a 'Mech that can outrun the fastest known helicopter ON LAND and then transform into a fighter capable of many times that speed... By Kerensky's balls this is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:18 No.12459839
    Have you looked at the stats for the machine gun?
    As >>12458769 points out, a machine guns would take a few turns of shooting to take out a cockpit. Machine guns in battletech are arrays of gatling guns spitting out .50cal slugs at, well, gatling gun speeds. They've also got an effective range of about 100m against mech armour. That is, you've got to level a set of gatling guns spitting out how many thousands of rounds per minute, at 100m to damage a mech's armour.

    A single .50cal anything isn't going to do shit.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:21 No.12459874
    The problem with the Raven is that it comes from a fundamentally retarded game universe where the elite fighting machines often shut down due to overheating, yet people with interstellar starships have forgotten how to make heat seeking missiles.

    Despite illogical rules making critical hits easier to achieve on vehicles vs mechs (that have exposed joints no less), mechs in battletech are ton for ton or dollar for dollar the worst fighting machines in the game system. I'll take hover tanks vs mechs in any weight class or dollar range in any terrain other than heavily built up urban areas.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:22 No.12459886

    You could also use this for some kind of massive political ploy to fool your opponents into thinking you've made some kind of incredible advance in warfare comparable to the invention of Omnimechs or Battlearmor. Like showing them the speed version, then pull a swapout under their noses with a more traditionally designed model made to look exactly like the speed demon and show it blowing shit up with a decent payload for a 20 ton battlemech. Once the inevitable 10 clan pileup for the Trial of Possession ends, the winners find out they've just wasted a galaxy or so for a useless piece of crap.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:24 No.12459898
    >a fundamentally retarded game universe

    A point which is relative, considering 40k.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:24 No.12459902

    And the Universe the Sentinel is from is so much better? Please 40k reads like it was the fan fiction invention of a retarded 12 year old and Space Marines are mary sues.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:29 No.12459934
    Still,the ability to bypass minefields and destroy soft targets like observation/communication post and radar dome might be very useful.It can also be dropped way behind enemy perimeter and move to its destination very quickly
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:31 No.12459956
    It truly is built for trolling. You could easily say that it has to slow down before firing its main weapons, due to targeting issues or just plain old stability problems. That would explain the reduced speed of the second 'Mech.

    So it's got ER Smalls and what else?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:33 No.12459976

    That is true, but at this point we have somehow managed to create an Anime style Mecha using the Battletech system. We might want to downgrade the engine another step and slap in a retractable blade and some more armor while we are at it.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:33 No.12459978
    Only on certain terrain, unless you have an ungodly skilled pilot. At that speed it really would be easy to break. All it would have to do is trip on a root. I guess this is where the aerospace mode would really come in handy, though. I think I heard something about LAMs coming back to the game, so this might actually be doable.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:36 No.12460000
    Does it have jump jets, or does the LAM equipment allow it to hover?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:37 No.12460011

    The LAM mech variant has exactly two ERSL and a single ton of Ferro-fiberous. It won't be winning a fight with anything other then a unarmed recovery vehicle or a squad of medics anytime soon, though nothing will be able to hit it to kill it either. To be fair I could likely dump the engine down a step or two and actually end up with something that could fight, but I don't want to.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:39 No.12460027
    It can either be the fastest unit on the table top by 10 or 15 hexes, have jump jets, or have minimal armor and weapons, choose two.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:39 No.12460029
    I meant the second one, the switcheroo with actual firepower.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:42 No.12460055
    No jump jets then.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:53 No.12460152

    Ohh, lets call it say, a drastically reduced top speed, maybe 6/9, like 4 ERML or maybe 2 MPL, and maybe a pair of SRM-4 with a ton of ammo, or whatever floats your boat. Plus 2 and half tons of FF armor.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)01:54 No.12460156
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    this nigger count?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:00 No.12460226
    An artillery beacon might be useful or Narc Missile Beacon
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:01 No.12460242
    Ok to whoever archived this before me, you have an awesome description of the thread.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:04 No.12460274

    I guess you're right, since the Firepower version is designed to be actually useful rather then Fapfodder for some insane Clan Khan. I might slap in a watchdog CEWS or something too, but really going with the whole "Freak all the other clans out at how retardedly fast and well armed your new Light mech deign is" theme it really only needs to be heavily armed and blow stuff up once or twice in front of the proper witnesses.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:06 No.12460301
    As it stands now, it's 20-ton, 6/9, with 2.5 tons of FF armor, 2 ER Medium Lasers, 2 SRM-4s, and a ton of ammo. 1.5 tons remaining.

    Incidentally, a retractable blade is 1.5 tons.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:09 No.12460327

    Blades don't mesh that well with the Clan way of war though, Zellbringin or whatever. I can't for the life of me think of any clan mech designed for melee combat.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:10 No.12460351
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    Space Hulk would disagree.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:11 No.12460354
    Throw on an ER small and a small pulse? Or a small pulse + flamer combo for double the infantry slaughtering fun?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:11 No.12460358
    the sentinel is good for a front line fighter multiple weapon options and armored cock pit

    the raven is the best in a group situation with its sensor suites
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:12 No.12460375
    Most clans frown on melee combat. The exception is, of course, the Diamond Sharks.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:18 No.12460447
    Its max heat is 3 points over its dissipation, but otherwise it's fine.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:20 No.12460477
    I was looking back to this: >>12459976

    I'm sketchy on the fluff. Most of my experience is with the Mechwarrior and Mechcommander games, and I haven't played anywhere near all of them.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:25 No.12460537

    Ahh fair enough. Like its been said a number of times, this mech isn't really meant for actual production for any possible endeavour besides maybe 'mech racing, or a genius political ploy.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:28 No.12460564
    Makes sense that it'd have unusual equipment and armaments too. With its speed, it could be instrumental in raiding behind enemy lines and probing for weak points, not to mention the obvious scouting advantages. If it were actually produced there'd undoubtedly be variants, anyway.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:32 No.12460611
    i find it funny that somehow battletech is the unrealistic setting relative to these other ones.

    star wars has air resistance in space, and slow motion lasers, and some of the most incompetent resource management and military strategy as seen anywhere.

    Warhammer 40k has cathedrals on mechs and cathedrals on space ships. Also space elves and space orks and spikes and skulls all over every damn thing.

    the matrix has everybody, robot included, doing things in the least efficient, most retarded way possible. What, the humans have unarmored walking frames with huge ass machienguns? Lets all send our melee only flying muderbots in large easy to target formations for no discernible reason.

    starcraft well, it has crystals and geyers growing out of space stations...somehow.

    Avatar was horseshit.

    Robocop wasn't too bad, though i highly doubt you can outright replace police officers with something that can't use stairs.

    C&C was basically super GI-JOE with green rocks.

    any setting can sound dumb if you pick at the right things.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:37 No.12460643
    That nigger there is about 9 feet tall.

    A Battlemech can be as short as 6 meters, and go up to 10 or 12 meters. The only reasonable comparison is against battlearmours, in which case the terminator is ridiculously slow, but probably well armoured. Something like a Gnome or Golem heavy/assault class battle armour.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:39 No.12460668
    I thought ED-209 was more of a supplement than a replacement. After all, it's large, heavily armed and armored, intimidating as hell, and actually fairly slow (though robocop himself isn't exactly an olympic runner). Not to mention that it has no way to secure suspects other than threatening to pump them full of holes. No hands, no claws, no handcuffs, just gun-arms.

    It struck me as the SWAT unit to robocop's patrol cop. It's designed for heavy-duty, break-the-door-down-with-explosives missions in the worst areas of Detroit. As a cop it is shit. As a scaled-down military unit it's actually not that bad, all things considered.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:41 No.12460683
    Well, it was originally designed for service inside plasma reactors, or so the story goes. I'd bet that'd make it extremely heat-resistant, at the very least, like the Salamander is.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:49 No.12460762
    >Robocop wasn't too bad, though i highly doubt you can outright replace police officers with something that can't use stairs.
    That was actually a plot point in the movie, the ED units were complete lemons and horribly, horribly inappropriate for civilian police work, but the megacorp was trying to push them anyway because they're profitable. (see modern day US military and weep)
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:50 No.12460772
    Imperator Titan

    lawl, i troll you!
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)02:52 No.12460796
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    Actually, no, Wolverines ARE piloted. When you destroy them, a guy often pops out. And it clearly says they are piloted. They're more like power armor though.


    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:06 No.12460948

    who else was completely blown away by this movie?

    it started out to be some boring political movie, more satire than anything, then suddenly POWER ARMOR FUCK YEAH.

    although i raged when the faggot let it get destroyed, that fool could have raped everything on the field if he wasnt being such a pussy.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:09 No.12460976
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    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:11 No.12460996
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    I loved the movie, and I loved Wikus. Christopher and his son were great too. The fact that Wikus is so obviously flawed and unlikeable only makes it more hilarious when he does badass things. And the story... the story was orders of magnitude better than what I expected. It was fucking superb.

    I hope to God it doesn't suffer from sequel rot.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:13 No.12461019
    District 9 did everything Avatar WANTED to do and more an order of magnitude better.

    On a smaller budget.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:22 No.12461103
    Avatar made 11 times its budget in revenue, and District 9 made 7 times its budget in revenue. Considering D9's budget was only 30 million, that ain't bad at all. It didn't have an eco-message, it had inventively-designed aliens, well-placed special effects (instead of the whole movie being one), and its story actually made sense and was awesome. Not like it's the best movie ever, but it's on the list.

    Now I'm wondering why modern sci-fi isn't better.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:24 No.12461120
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    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:31 No.12461190

    that shit s gigantic

    there is a gigantic man in there

    it is small for him

    but big for us because we are small to him
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:36 No.12461228
    The Marauder isn't a light mech.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:46 No.12461314
    Regardless of sciece, the transparent material is not as strong as the armour - this is confirmed in the background material.

    The real question would be - why do some mechs have very well designed cockpit areas where the viewport is shielded nicely and others have incredibly exposed cockpits? And why does no-one comment on this?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:47 No.12461327

    close topped Eldar warwalker?!
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:49 No.12461351
    Design Meeting, Luthien Armor Works

    "Well, guys, the Mauler's almost finished. We just gotta work out a good head design. As it is, it's pretty fucking stupid. It's like somebody smashed a melon then used that as a head"

    "Oh, I've got an idea. We'll make the head big and properly proportioned, and make it mostly from transparent armour. We'll also have a big fin decoration on top too."


    tldr: Rule of cool.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)03:56 No.12461409
    None, OP.

    A highly trained trooper in powered armor is infinitely superior to a lumbering bi-pedal mech. Attach jump-jets to said trooper, with a modular assault weapon, and you have the recipe for victory.

    >urinate tenderly

    sage advice, Captcha
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:01 No.12461454
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    So what you're saying is...

    Spaces Marine and Elementals > All?

    But of the two which is..

    The Deadliest Warrior?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:16 No.12461601
    i remember AAAAAAAGGGGES, like i think 14 years ago when i first started reading battletech, As soon as i got the rough basics of the timeline of the books i started reading the 3rd and 4rth succession war era books first.

    I believe that in the early books, probably Decision at Thunder Rift, it was mentioned at some point that what looked to be windows were actually sensor panels and that the cockpits where actually completely enclosed. I loved this interpretation. Unfortunately i think it kinda fell by the wayside similar to how Bolters stopped being caseless, cause so many artists didn't get the memo and kept drawing transparent windows in BT and flying brass in 40k
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:19 No.12461617
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    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:23 No.12461645
    50 points for big tank.
    Just hope it gets through that maze of turrets while dem attack choppers defend enemy base.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:23 No.12461649
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    he was like the cool older brother i never had

    Godspeed, Godspeed ;_;
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:28 No.12461684
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    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:34 No.12461727
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    He was also a catastrophic jackass, but a GOOD jackass.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)04:46 No.12461835
    ha, thats great, a robot even Urbanmechs can use as a trashcan
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 10/16/10(Sat)04:51 No.12461868
    Bitch, you do not piss off a gonk droid. Mother fucker will go critical on your ass.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:15 No.12463226

    Haha, If battle tech has taught me anything, its that Fusion reactors don't actually go boom. Nice Try Faggot.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:23 No.12463257
    The sentinel because it can have a Lascannon or a Multimelta.
    >> Garok 10/16/10(Sat)09:24 No.12463263
    rolled 1, 4 = 5

    It can also be dropped in with grav-chutes and have a mounted chainsaw.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:28 No.12463285

    Modern Scifi isn't better because crap like Avatar is what is mass marketed and highly advertised.

    All you have to do is compare the amount of shite products linked to Avatar you can buy compared to the couple of indie made District 9 related tshirts.

    I would love models/figures/artbooks...etc...etc for District 9. But nooo because it's only a "small foreign film" and american companies don't give a fuck.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:35 No.12463322

    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:37 No.12463333
    Ironically, D9 basically IS Avatar. Same story, but just told miles fucking better.

    But Avatar has THREEEE DEEEEE and it's made my James Cameron and was brought out in the fucking winter because Cameron is a cheap shitface who uses underhanded shenanigans to make his movies "successful" instead of making GOOD MOVIES
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:38 No.12463339
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    i vote for the titan mech, from tiberian sun.

    wolverine is more like power armor.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:39 No.12463341
    Speaking of which, District 9 also has the superior light bipedal mech. Would shit in the face on any of those other faggot walkers.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:44 No.12463366
    >implying it wouldn't be fucking gone before they even got there

    Seriously, the Prawn mech's number one weapon was HOLY SHIT MOBILITY
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:47 No.12463383
    Yeah, that too. That only means it could fucking outmanoeuvre those other shit bastards. It's probably not the most endurable of the mechs, but it doesn't need to be. With mobility it won't get hit much. And it had some fucking fantastic weapons. Gravity gun thing, gather up all your bullets and shoot them back at you? Yes please! Electrocute you from afar with a lightning gun? You die. Advanced fucking sensors and motorics enough to catch a fucking missile mid-flight?

    None of the other fuckers stand a chance.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:47 No.12463385
    And the pig-gun. Never forget the pig-gun.

    >said crevotax
    How do you know my name Captcha?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:49 No.12463391
    A gravity gun manipulator thing, the electrogun, a flechette machinegun, and missile packs.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:50 No.12463401
    Superior weaponry to any of those other light mechs. Especially as the gravity gun seems to nullify all other ballistic weapons.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:53 No.12463412
    Raven wins. AT-ST and Sentinel are equivalent to each other, but the Sentinel's got heavier weapons. ED-209 isn't really a mech, since it's a robot, and it's a fucking dumb one at that. Put a pilot in it or a better AI, and it would probably compete.

    APU/AMP are retarded to the max. Mechs that came from RTSes are unworthy of mentioning.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:55 No.12463421
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    Raven wins. Ablative aligned armor. Stealth armor. NARC for his buddies with the homing LRM ammo.

    About the only thing wrong with it is that it's a capellan design.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:56 No.12463423

    I am not saying it got the best armor , but it is better than ED-209 and the Zion APU at least.

    It held out against an anti materiel rifle even if it degraded a bit.

    So it got manuverability, weaponty and it is at least better armoured than some of the opposition.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)09:59 No.12463439
    I loved the District 9 Prawn mech. It moved so fucking realistically without being I AM ROBOT I TAKE ITTY BITTY BABY STEPS. When it was running it looked freaking awesome.

    And as far as I know, all those other mechs shoot pretty much only bullets, which the suit would gather up and shoot back at them.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:00 No.12463442
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    metal gear rex
    its not bigger than most of ops suggestions
    and you dont need >1 pilots
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:04 No.12463465
    You're wrong. The Raven mech mentioned in the OP uses medium lasers backed up with a SRM-6. But as mentioned before, it's mostly a spotter. Also AT-ST and Sentinel also rock non-ballistic weapons, at least going by the OP's pic.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:06 No.12463477
    ED-209 is simply perfect.

    Unfit for cop job but perfect for extermination job...
    And it is unmaned... meaning you loose nothing until you want to take them back...but hey, just wait until they have no more ammunition...
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:07 No.12463491
    All mechs are just unbelievably impractical combat vehicles.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:08 No.12463499
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    Ah, true. But the suit would outgun the raven and outmanoeuvre the AT-ST.


    Look at this video. Look at all the fucking beating it takes before going down. Look at all the damage it does with a completely novice pilot at its helm.

    I declare that we have a winrar. Video and pic related.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:11 No.12463511
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    Forget all of them, a cap troop could waste all of them at once.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:14 No.12463529
    That suit is really just a Battletech battle armor. It's got the AP mount, SRM pod, mechanical jump booster instead of jumpjets, decent speed and heavy for BA armor. And the lighting gun (call it small laser) and the gravity gun (call it plot haxx, because I can't think of a tech to adequetly remake it in BT)
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:17 No.12463540
    A lightning gun would be far superior to a laser weapon.

    And no, I'd say it's much better than any mere battle armor.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:22 No.12463559
    Especially since it makes people explode.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:24 No.12463572
    Lasers would do that to. Ever see what happens to a hotdog if you leave it in the microwave for too long? Same basic principle.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:27 No.12463596
    >for too long
    This being the key. Lightning is a fucking million times more powerful than laser. Now we're talking discharges at temperatures around the same as the suns surface.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:29 No.12463617
    They also require voltages in the BILLIONS of volts.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)10:32 No.12463641
    H'ok bro, but from what I saw, it's a pretty good comparison. Maybe a Heavy small laser, but i'm not sure what this thing would weigh or cost.

    Now I just need to pirate Heavy Metal BA and dick around in it to make it.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)11:12 No.12463883

    now ? really ?

    I figured this out the first time I saw a sentinel and it didn't help at all since the first model I've seen was the cadian one.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)13:42 No.12465296
    learn 2 science for the love of God.

    lightning, which is easily dissipated by commercial aircraft is more deadly than lasers, yeah ok.

    i don't think there is proper comprehension on just what the lil raven can do.

    Each of those "medium lasers" weighs a ton. And can easily pink mist some poor bastard in 1 shot.

    As much as i love the d9 exosuit, it can't compete with no raven. the prawn suit has almost all of its weapons geared to antipersonnel, and its heavy stuff like missiles is still rather small.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)13:53 No.12465388
    As AWESOME as the D9 armor is, we still must remember that it was badly damaged by infantry alone. Because it was a BATTLE ARMOR. A couple dozen guys with machine guns took it down in a few minutes. It was clear that the D9 armor was more anti-infantry than anything (flachetes scream anti-infantry, since that IS their sole use, except against light vehicles).

    The Raven could probably take it down in a few salvos.

    However, I'm going to play a bit of devil's advocate here and point out that Wikus, a totally incompetent human, was piloting the D9 armor. Imagine a fully trained Prawn warrior piloting that armor, with as agile and powerful as its weapons were. It would definitely be on par with an elemental, if not a lance of them. I can easily see the D9 armor jumping on top of a larger mech and ripping it to shreds without the enemy mech able to do anything about it.
    >> weird 10/16/10(Sat)14:20 No.12465623
    Considering a Raven is already a light vehicle type, is there any man-portable anti-armor weaponry in Battletech?

    A Javelin-equivalent?
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)14:23 No.12465647
    That's one of its saving graces, really. It stretches the suspension of disbelief so very little that it's almost unprecedented.
    >> Anonymous 10/16/10(Sat)15:07 No.12466096
    Infantry SRMs. Fires the same kind of missiles a mech or vehicle mounted SRM rack does, uses the same rules, only it fires one missile instead of the up to 6 missiles a rack can fire. Also they're single shot weapons while racks carry enough ammo to last all day. But yes, that one missile can hurt a 'mech. Bring an entire infantry company with those and you can down any 'mech that gets too close. Unless that mech is packing flamers or napalm missiles.

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