Pop one dragon like that in the game...have him be a COCK to everyone. Then kill him off.

>>12658152

Otherkin?

>>12658170

Yes. This player thinks he's really a dragon in spirit, not a human.

>>12658170

A lunatic who believes they have the soul of some fantasy creature or somesuch bullshit.

>>12658170
>Otherkin?

The player thinks he's an elf.

Not the character, mind you. The player.

>oppressor outtew

"They aren't true dragons, they're a degenerate breed."

>>12658170

He thinks he's a [INSERT FANCIFUL CREATURE] trapped in a man body.

OP, I'd include a noble mighty Suetacular dragon... who promptly uses the party for fodder to further his own vision of The Greater Good. Throw an orphanage burning in there for good measure. Make sure at least one party member is riled to the point of being compelled to hunt him down and eat his heart. GRIMMESTDARKEST.

Well, how -are- you making the dragons in the setting?

>>12658152

>Other

OMG

I remember this guy who was a wolf otherkin.

>Him: Answer with I woof to you, human.

>Me: I don't woof and my name is Emily

I didn't invited him for my next game -.-

>>12658170
Imagine a furry who thinks he really *is* a fox instead of just having a fetish for it, then replace "fox" with "some sort of mythical anthropomorphic creature" and you'll have an idea.

>>12658152
I don't. If the player says he doesn't want dragons portrayed in any way other than "his" way, I either tell him to shut the hell up or just don't put dragons in the game. Really, this is a fantasy game and the player is (hopefully) an adult. He should be able to put up with it, and if he can't, he may not have the maturity necessary to play that kind of game.

You can't. You have an insane person in your group. You might as well ask how you should deal with a schizoid or a retard or a libertarian being in your group. There is no way you can peacefully resolve this issue, and I suggest you tell him to leave or commit him to an institution.

Have you talked to him about it, and about why he thinks that all dragons should be that way? Also, do dragons only serve as bags of experience and loot for your games, or what?

If you were to show him what happens to dragons that act that way to PCs, he might get why you don't devote time and energy to that kind of thing. Nothing makes a player want to kill off a character than self-importance, even if it's warranted... except, of course, NPCs that have authority, such as a bounty hunter or a captain of the city guards.

In the time it's taken me to type this, there will be at least ten suggestions to put the guy in his place by openly shaming him for his otherkin nature.

>>12658170
They think they're the reincarnations of other creatures and the like. There are some that think that they're the reincarnations of video game or manga characters, called otakukin.

>>12658152
You put one in and make him an absolute bastard to everyone. The otherkin will make a fuss over the other characters being nice because he can't help it/is in the right/whatever. Then you have that dragon kill his character.

Then you tell him before he's making his character, or when they're discussing resurrecting him, that, if he's gonna be in your campaign, he is going to have to deal with how you run it.

"They are not dragons, nor are you. Dragons are a fucking fantasy. You weren't shunned in school because you are special, and they feel threatened by your unique soul. You were, and are shunned, because you are a cunt to everyone around you. You have a massive superiority complex, and cannot fathom why people hate you despite how obviously awesome you are. The reason they hate you, is because you act superior, entitled, and conceited. You are a fucking waste of flesh, blood and bone, I would love you more if you were a god damn crack whore. That's how little respect I have for both you, and your fucking delusion. Now get the fuck out of my game, my players and I want to have fun without your fucking sense of entitlement ruining our shit."

Bonus points if he cries.

I fucking hate otherkin.

>>12658185
Explain that in /your/ setting, dragons are actually humankin - humans trapped in dragon bodies. That's why they're all such dicks instead of magical mary sues.

>>12658199

I'm making them sorta like these of Earthsea. They are smart, but malicious, cruel, lusty and selfish. They pretty much have all the bad human emotions multiplied by 100.

I had the party hunt down a dragon and destroy all of her hatchlings, and this guy got pretty upset.

I am a Great Old One in spirit.

Go mad before me!

>>12658232
>You were, and are shunned, because you are a cunt to everyone around you.
I hate on the otherkin as much as the next grognard, but you're projecting pretty hard right there.

>>12658209
Anthropomorphic isn't a requirement for Otherkin, and in most cases it isn't the case.

>>12658238
That
That's pretty badass. Greedy rapist dragons.

>>12658226

>otakukin

God please tell me you are kidding

Hey /tg/, GM here.

I have an odd question. How would you deal with a black player who takes kinda personal that I don't make blacks all noble/mighty/sues, without causing a group fracture?

>>12658266
lol nope

>>12658260
Show me an otherkin who doesn't exhibit these traits.
Go on.
I'll wait.

>>12658266
Not that poster, but:
No, no. It's very, very real.

>>12658266


No.

There are honestly people that believe that they are the reincarnations of Yotsuba, Rei, Yugi, etc.

And they get pissed when they meet another Otakukin claiming to be the reincarnation of the same character.

>>12658238
>I had the party hunt down a dragon and destroy all of her hatchlings, and this guy got pretty upset.

Then he's a fucking child. Your only solution is to tell him that if he can't even keep his delusions separate from group make-believe time, then it's time he fucked right the fuck off. And if he agrees to behave and is even the slightest bit petulant or insubordinate, you slap his shit.

>>12658264

That's pretty much a classic dragon. Give me all your gold, cattle and beautiful virgins or I burn your town down.

>>12658274
>implying "cunt who thinks he's a dragon souled ubermensch" is equal to a race.
0/10
Well, maybe 1/10, I did reply.
Green text too.

>>12658238
Slaying the dragon I can understand. Slaying all the hatchlings though, that's pretty cold-hearted. I can understand his viewpoint.

>>12658279
I was gonna say this guy >>12658217
but I realized 'oh, wait, he's likely a cunt too.' Oh well.

>>12658217
As for you...why the FUCK should OP and his group have to listen to some whackjob bitch and complain about how the might, nonexistant dragon is portrayed? It's fantasy, the OP doesn't need to stick to the popular conventions that define a dragon.

>>12658279
I've never met one. I don't look for them on the internet. But they just seem like retards.

Maybe they're really pleasant as long as you don't bring up fairies and dragons and such.

>>12658266

Alas he is not.

I wish he was but he is not.

>>12658294
>slaying things that will grow into beings of evil incarnate makes me sad.
Go cry over Goblins more.

>>12658238
Normally I avoid trollbait thread - I don't give a shit about edition wars, I could care less about what furries wear/fuck as long as I'm not involved, and I avoid issues of religion/politics altogether...

...but Otherkin are total fucking lunatics who are in serious need of psychiatric treatment, and the only safe/sane thing you can do for both him and yourself, as well as the stability of your gaming party, is to get rid of him, sever all ties/contacts with him and his delusions, and carry on with things freed of his madness.

>>12658274
See
>>12658283

I'm Irish. If there's a historical campaign going in which you don't make all Irish noble/mighty/Sues, I'll not bat an eye. Now, if you make every single Irishman a potato-noshing layabout stumbling drunkard who fights his brothers and sucks off the Pope, I might be a touch miffed at your overt bigotry. But that's not what we're discussing here.

>>12658294

Hatchlings grow into big dragons. Dragons eat humans and elves and shit.

>>12658226 There are some that think that they're the reincarnations of video game or manga characters, called otakukin.

Oh fuck, google tells me that that's a real thing.

There goes the last of my idealism and hope for the future, you bastard. Nothing for it now but to suicide-bomb the nearest anime convention.

>>12658287
Which is why the otherkin bastard needs to shut his scaly piehole. Those are classic fucking dragons, not stupid sparkly Spyro the Magic Poofter dragons.

>>12658301
I lived with one.
I've rped with them.
I've found them in every foetid hole of the internet.
Not one didn't fit the profile.
Not.
One.

>>12658266

No. The most e-famous one was this chick who claimed Sephiroth visited her in dreams and revealed he was alive in other dimension. She even got some sort of FFVII cult going on for a while.

>>12658323

DON'T DO IT!

If you do you will only make them stronger.

Use chemical weapons and escape to fight another day.

>>12658305
>>12658319
They don't have to grow up evil

>>12658274
>equating oppressed/marginalized racial groups with pathetic white kids' idiotic fantasies.

>>12658301
You don't have to bring up fairies or dragons or shit. They live and BREATHE the stuff. It's fucking creepy.

>>12658347
And you don't have to be a faggot, but that hardly ever happens, either.

>>12658357
I lol'd

>>12658347
>turn the campaign into pokeymanz wiv dagronz
>watch as otherkin fucks his
Least you could throw the cunt out then.

>>12658347

Goblins or dragons?

>>12658337
>motherofgod.jpg

>>12658398
You need to lurk moar.
The internet probably hasn't revealed the wonder of the "digimon are real" movement to you either.

>How would you deal with an otherkin player

Look, I can understand slaying the dragon - it had established itself as a menace and a threat to the people who lived near it. Killing the hatchlings on the assumption that they'll all grow up into evil monsters though, that's kinda cold-hearted and presumptuous. These aren't demons or creatures of pure evil, they're beasts with human-like sentience. Yes, they tend to turn into greedy, vain monstrosities, but they don't ALL turn out that way.

If the player was complaining about the dragon being slain, I could understand the hate towards him. But if he was upset that the hatchlings were killed, that's an entirely reasonable thing to be upset about. Infants and children shouldn't be killed, no matter what their parents are like - they should at least be given the chance to grow up and make their own life choices.

>>12658328
Don't you dare hating on Spyro the Dragon just because of some furry (scaly?) chucklefucks.

Kick that subhuman abomination out of your group. If it doesn't go, shoot it. It isn't murder, it's pest control, with the added risk of contaminating the human genome with othershit seed.

>>12658477
GTFO, cynderfag

>>12658475
Oh shut up.
If it's chromatic, it's evil.
If it's metallic, it's a self righteous cunt.
Grey Morality has no place at a D&D game.
If they killed a bunch of unborn chromatics, they saved a billion or so people.
Fucking Kudo to them.

I've never met a furry or an otherkin in real life. They don't seem to exist around here(central europe), or maybe they do, but they haven't realized that there exists a fandom for retards like them on the net. Anyways, even if there are, they are not open about it. But really, if a guy or chick came to my group and claimed he/she was a dragon in real life, I'd insult and mock her. So would the rest of my group. Then I would tell her to fuck off and tell everyone about what a retard he/she is. If he's a guy, and started to bitch about it, I might even consider threatening him with violence. Now, I'm used to your average neckbeards and no-life wow players and the kind. But retards of this measure really piss me off. These people should really fucking be plowing in the fields, they are obviously too spoiled.

>>12658494
Try harder, bro. I'm a seasoned /v/ veteran.

Otherkin ? It's really bad.
Disagreeing about how fictional characters should be acted out ? It's pretty normal.

I remember these threads where most of /tg/ cheered some guy who was trying to wreck his DM's campaign because he didn't like how she portrayed elves and humans.

>>12658521

You don't find them too often in Europe. A lack of gathering places tends to do that. They keep to themselves and stay hidden fulfilling their desires via the internet.

>>12658547
It was less of a "hurr she portrayed elves and humans in a way that i don't like" and more of a "she is forcing us to act out her retarded yaoi fanfiction about pure gay love and EVIL CLOSE MINDED HUMAN SOCIETY".

>>12658152
see >>12658498
only, don't be so cool about it

I'm an otherkin that thinks he's a human.

>>12658586
I don't see any difference. You can tell a GM that s-he can't have gay elves and intolerant humans, but not that s-he can't have sleazy dragons ?

>>12658632
There's a big difference.
One was derailing and destroying a shitty campaign.
The other is a shitty sub-human retard ruining everyone's fun.
Like That Guy, except based on a "belief".

>>12658547
>>12658586

Whatever happened with that game, anyway? Last I saw the half-orc fucked the narrator's character and he wasn't sure how to deal with it or something.

I once was in a group with a furry. I wasn't really bothered by it, but one of the players made a dragonborn PC who claimed that he's a reborn human and constantly talked about how great and smart and beautiful and generally awesome humans are and how much it sucks to be a shitty dragonspawn. His final goal was to hoard enough money to turn himself into a human by a Wish spell.

>>12658654

Nah, I'm just a human being that thinks he's a human being. Nothing weird about that.

>>12658685
Which would be much better if the player had been an otherkin.
Most furries don't have the spiritual dimension to it.
Otherkin do, by definition.

>>12658667
Both are that guy. Except one destroys the campaign, and the other whines.

And I wouldn't bet that OP's story is better than the yaoi fantasy of the other.

>>12658685
That's actually pretty interesting.

I now kind of want to play a big Conan ripoff whose only goal is to get enough money to pay a powerful archwizard to turn him into a little girl.

How about you just not have dragons? Then you dont have to deal with it. I'm not saying they shouldnt exist I'm just saying that they dont need to be a part of your campaign.

>>12658723
I mean, if the redemption of a drow through lawful hot dickings is a good story, the redemption of a human through chaotic gay dickings is good too.

>>12658748
>cunt whines about how mean OP is to pweshush dagwons
>OP removes Dragons from campaign
CUNT WINS
FLAWLESS VICTORY

>>12658703
If by "most" you mean something like 51%

There are a lot of furries who take this shit very seriously. Maybe they don't think that they're dragons/unicorns/foxtaurs/whatever, but they sure want to be.

Oh damn, I feel my beastly soul kick up! I'm a were-futanari humantaur!

>>12658767
That's not quite what I'm getting at. I just dont see why dragons have to have a central role in the campaign where something like this becomes an issue.

>>12658152

If you genuinely don't want a group fracture, make it clear that these are the dragons in your fictional universe, and that 'real' ones might be completely different for all you know. It sidesteps the issue of challenging him over his personal beliefs, and 'entrusts' him with the concept of being able to tell fiction from reality, which will make him feel better and make him feel like you're on his side.

If he continues to be a douche in other ways, or him being an otherkin makes you uncomfortable, then that's a separate issue. But this allows you to sidestep the problem and carry on with a minimum of fuss, if that's what you're aiming for.

>>12658774
>foxtaurs

what

One of my groups DMs was a furry transsexual.

Dam he/she/it sucked.

Forced his/her/its fetishes on the group too.
We had two recurring characters in our group. My necromancer and the warlock. The warlock was an easy going guy so he was fine with most of her shit so long as he could benefit from it. The rest of the group however suffered. My formerly natural shapeshifter character (could go from human to housecat at whim) got turned into a furry stuck in one body, which I hated. Our paladin fell and got turned into some kind of rape paladin (literal rape) through her plot. The only good thing was when she turned me into a "demon" because I had refused to drink some water we found earlier. We were in hell at the time so she explained how demons worked in her setting which made me start plotting.

I made "bread and circuses: the religion". See in this setting a demon was capable of getting stronger if people worshipped him. So I got people to worship me. Orgies, free food, entertainment! We had it all. Hell my temple started out as just a mule in a stockade with a minion charging to let people fuck it. Before long it was a veritable den of hedonism and the most popular temple in town barring the major elder demons which made me pretty powerful when coupled with my necromancery.

He/she/it wasn't happy I'd manipulated her setting so easily for my own gain however. Or when I used my newfound power to help the party get around roadblocks she put in our way or to stop her corrupting them in some way. The rage was obvious when I saved the paladin from being a slave to some elder demon, got him his penis back AND set him back on the path of truth, justice, hard boiled eggs and moderately priced love.

>>12658774
Dude, learn to vocal minority.
Vocal fucking deluded minority.
A lot of people have fapped to tits slapped on something vaguely anthro, caring I imagine more about the tits.
But because it's anthro, meh, technically furry.
A "type 1" I've heard it described as. People who jack off to it, and don't have the subcultural attachments.
"Type 2" are just loud about it, and have the subcultural BS as well.
Most type 1's won't even admit to it, lest they be labelled type 2.
So yeah, I'd say MOST and by that I mean 90% or so, of "furries" aren't cunts. They don't even mention it.

>>12658685
Was the guy your reverse otherkin trolled a type 2?

>>12658815

THOSE FUCKING FOXTAURS!

A Foxtaur family moved in down the road. It was a nice house when they moved in but now the place is a fucking shitheap that's falling apart thanks to them. Looked through the windows one time as I drove past and you could see the wallpaper peeling off the walls from where they'd sprayed their piss.

>>12658815
FUCKING FOXTAURS

>>12658794
The only issue is the Otherkin.
"Normal" human beings - as normal as playing tabletop can be considered - shouldn't have to bow down cause some asspained retard gets his knickers in a knot.
Would you be cool with an atheist/christfag cunt demanding clerics be removed on (ir)religious grounds...?

>>12658824
I want to believe you, because i know that subhumans like this actually exist, but the chances of getting one of them as your DM are pretty low.

What to do, what to do... :/

>>12658856

FUCKING FOXTAUR MIND!

>>12658815

Foxtaurs are the worst type of creature imaginable.
Think every single stereotype of minorities wanting "more than equal" rights. Foxtaurs, that's not a stereotype. That's how they are.

Fuckers try to get so much legislation through that would fuck with everybody else, and make them dance around our laws.

They have fucking sex-swings for "yiffing" in public for chrissakes.

>>12658856
>>12658854
GODDAMMIT I HATE THOSE FOXTAURS, AWAYS FUCKING

SOME PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO SLEEP YOU KNOW

WHY CAN'T THEY TONE IT DOWN ONCE IN A GODDAMN WHILE AND NOT MAKE SUCH A RACKET

>>12658830
>Was the guy your reverse otherkin trolled a type 2?

I'm not sure, but i think that the answer is "yes".

>>12658921
Because it's "Part of their culture and play".

Yeah, having disgusting sex in public is part of their "unique and interesting culture." Every time I see one of the hermaphrodotic fucknuts mount each other, I pray to god one of them will slip and break the bone in their dicks.

Yeah, they have bones in their DICKS. That's how they stay up and ready all the time, waving it in your face at the supermarket, at the playgrounds, in your home, etc.

Had to learn Foxtaur anatomy in Bio.

Fucking foxtaurs.

>>12658868

Well the problem was our usual DM (a furry/otherkin mix) was too busy to DM but none of us were decent. To this point we'd had no trouble with him/her/it aside from a few disturbing moments.

Our usual DM had a habit of using the same set of DMPCs every fucking campaign and shoehorning in a load of in jokes but he was an alright DM. We had some epic times with him. Such as the time my dwarf swashbuckler armed with a rapier (my first character) almost killed the campaigns big bad and so as recognition of this the DM said I somehow managed to cut off his tail (he was a weretiger) with the rapier and I wore it as a belt the rest of the campaign.

This tranny though was just urrgggh. Few redeeming moments. In the end my power in her version of hell was getting too big so she just suddenly moved us into a new world with a whole new plot and turned me back into a living being with no more demon power but still a fucking furry.

Eventually I decided to achieve Lichdom. But she kept stopping me every time I went to get the supplies. She was very by the rules most of the time mind so I formulated a plan.

I bought my magical supplies in bulk. So I would write out big boring lists of all my magical supplies needed for all my spells and their costs and submit them for her to peruse. Eventually she got bored of reading them through and checking and would just skim them. Thats when I started sneaking things in. I paid for them naturally but they were the things I needed to be a lich. After a few months I had everything and her campaign was coming to its final part.

So my epic necromancer began the path to Lichdom sealed away in a ruined tower full of undead with a shitload of magical defences and the party far away and occupied or incapacitated.

>The fuck is a "foxtaur?"
>Google "foxtaur"
>meh
I've seen worse furry shit. But they're not even half-horse. They're just foxes with a messed up anatomy.

>>12658970
Oh, THAT DM and THAT story. Well, it's been a while since you told it last.

>>12658976
...and the one in the middle isn't even a fox. What is it with these retards?

>>12658884
I...I want to google that to see what it is...but my god I am afraid for my tiny brain.

>>12658970

I got dragged to a furry con this year.

Then went to a party. Shit sucked until there was a charity auction and this artist chick auctioned herself as a slave for the rest of the con.

I had fun. Tons of fun

so, furries aren't that bad

>>12658993
That one's called a "chakat".

>>12658976

com in to see hilarious party conflicts with only a cursory knowledge of furries. See foxtaur shit mingled in with a legitimately interesting story.
MFW

>>12659019
>CLOSET FURFAG DETECTED

>>12659033
oh how enlightening

>>12659016
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/11073008/

Be learned, broski

>>12658970

So I began the process with the rest of the players half cheering me on and half getting ready to stop me at the DMs behest.

Magical teleportation was out due to my numerous magical defences including an anti-teleport field. Flying up the tower was out due to the ring of anti-magic fields. The entire tower had been designed so that getting up it was a slow and laborious process and I filled each floor with creatures that would take the party a fucking age to kill without presenting a danger to them.

All the while my character was dying and being reborn as all the flesh sloughed from his now bleached bones and a blue light glowed from his eyesockets. That feline skull he so hated actually looking rather intimidating without the fur.

>>12659099

By the time the party got up it was too late. The warlock said it wasn't worth fighting me as they'd failed and I was one of them. The others were debating it when the DM in a fit of rage sent her mary sue DMPC to fight me. Riding a fucking dragon and tearing the roof of my tower off.

The DMPC said it was going to kill me in horrible horrible ways for my evil and I said

"Ok it's a fair cop"

Everyone in the party just looked shocked all of a sudden. Even more so when my lich threw his spellbook to the side.

"I won't even resist. But since I am not going to resist would you permit one last request?"

The DMPC was big on honour, proper conduct, nobility, etc so it couldn't turn me down and asked what it was.

"I simply wish to shake hands with the only adversary in this realm who can defeat me. It would be a greater honour than I deserve but I can tell you hold a certain admiration for me also considering my efforts to save your realm and would feel a certain regret over not ending this in a manner befitting one of such fine breeding."

The fool agreed.

Liches have an innate death touch ability.

DMPC rolled his fort save. Failed. Instadeath.

The look on the DMs face made it all worth it. Every second of her (accurate by this point since her trip to thailand) campaign was suddenly worth it. The party cheered and then got killed when the Dragon destroyed the tower and everyone in it including me.


However with liches you can never be sure they're dead. My phylactery had been flying away since earlier that night carried by my familiar.

And so my favourite recurring character endured and partook in another six campaigns before finally disappearing forever becoming no more than a boogeyman of the realm.

>>12658282
So they're like Beholders, except pretending to be like them?

>>12659135
It's funny because Otherkin who think that they're Beholders actually exist.

>>12659060

Man I remember that thread. Twas epic.

tell the otherkin shite that the whole point of the game is to fight Dragons in Dungeons, everything else is just fluff

>>12659183
>fight Dungeons in Dragons

FTFY

>>12659162
It was the first thread I posted in on /tg/.

Feels good man.

Have magical beasts be an aspect of the universal subconsciousness made reality, the dragon symbolizing a certain detail of the mind and have it be whatever you want.

>>12659278

>a dungeon in a dragon

>motherofgod.jpg

>>12659450
Normally it would be a DC80 Escape Artist check, but in that case, the dragon is huge and ancient. Huge means that it's a mountain range. Ancient means millions of years. Still, it's a dragon, and the BBEG wants to wake it up from the inside and control it with ritual magic.

>>12658152
Stop using dragons, start using hydras.

God it can't be that difficult to change your game.

Also stop being an enabler.

>>12659450
>>12659491

To be fair, if you were somehow inside a dragon and you couldn't escape via the mouth, wouldn't you rather cut your way out instead of trying to navigate it's digestive system and try and exit out it's ass? Plus, if it's a male dragon and you tried to exit out it's ass, there's the all too real risk of massaging it's prostate on the way out, and that can get messy very quickly...

>>12659552
no one ever said the dragon couldn't be a massive flying construct, perhaps a flying "impenetrable" fortress that the BBEG uses to spread is reign of tyranny or what have you

Throw a Lich at them.
Liches get no respect (or screen time) nowadays.

>>12659569

So it's part dragon, part castle? And is the dragon part organic or constructed?

>Otherkin
Those people are completely fucking retarded and I wouldn't bend a fucking strand of hair to cater to their fucking lunacy. The player in question fractured the party with his own silly beliefs. You can only choose between suffering pure idiocy, or casting the retard out completely.

>>12659624
all construct unless you really want to fuck with the PCs and have a dragon merged with the control of the construct

>>12658152

Point out that everyone else here is really a human trapped in a human body, and they're not offended by dragons being all noble/mighty/sues.

>>12659641

All construct is probably the best idea. Less biological components for the players to screw with, and you just know SOMEONE will try to bring down the castle by making the dragon crash because it was having stomach pains or multiple orgasms or spontaneous castration...

Just ignore his complaints. Run the campaign as if he weren't there. Not only will you be denying him the attention he craves, but you will avoid setting a precedent that might alienate other players. After all, believing that you're a reincarnated dragon is no more ridiculous than believing that an invisible man in the sky will torture you forever if you don't believe in him.

I've campaigned with Catholics, Jews, Muslims, even a Mormon who was pretty serious about it. Ignoring everyone's beliefs at the gaming table has allowed me to have fun in groups that would have otherwise split at the seams.

>>12659654

Er, not offended by humans not all being noble/mighty Sues. Fuck.

OP, details, what does he want dragons to be? Just...good-aligned? Throw a Metallic Dragon or two in there.

For some reason Soulbonders bother me more than otherkin. See the bottom of this page - http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Otakukin

You want to read something really demented?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=cgh77v4gb6i3b6y3a41txfkg&page=1

How far can you get through the thread?!

>>12659923

I have seen things that just make me sad. I mean I know furries. When I was in college I knew a guy who was into that. Unassuming, kinda bookish, nerdy type. For the most part alright and I didn't find out until we both were graduating.... but this?

This is fucked up on levels I have never imagined. Hell Otherkins just sound 100% better compared to soulbounders...

>>12660196

I have seen some scary and creepy shit in my life.

I've been involved in incredibly creepy shit.

This stuff gets to around number 3 on my list...

>>12659923
I am reading the first post and it is literally gibberish. A few of the words I can recognize, but they are spread out in a sea of made-up words.

>>12660404

I read a bit of it and had flashbacks to horrible horrible things.

I need booze.

>>12660462
Share those horrible horrible things with us.
You'll feel better... I... promise.

>>12660462

Yeah, spill it! Or forfeit the right to being Lord of Madness.

Incidentally, the individual who is writing "A Soulbonder's Wow In Detail: Celebrian's Liveblog " has her own ED page. The stuff on Soulbonding (what is a deep pixel and all that) were among posts she made on TV Tropes. Oh, and if you can wade through that thread, there are gems like this:

"Morrigan

Morrigan from Dragon Age is someone I've expected for a long time. I definitely expected her around the time I got Leliana, and I definitely expected her before ANY of the Wardens. My Dragon Age boom in the spring came and went with no Morrigan, but she's finally creeping up again.

If there's anything I'm really, really good at, it's melting the hearts of the colder, more callous characters. I have gotten to Kendra Daniels from Dead Space, BloodRayne, Mileena, Kira, and Frost from Mortal Kombat, and I can even get Jane Turner from Valkyria Chronicles to crack a smile if I work hard enough. I've reformed this villain and that villain, have gotten the girls from Outlaw Sports to behave, have gotten assassins to think maybe that whole taking life thing isn't a very good idea, have rendered youkai and hanyou and demons harmless. Morrigan shall be a SINCH to get into the black little heart of and I know it. Morrigan's not a villain, just a very callous and uncaring woman. I know how to deal with those. I know how to find their Sweet Spots.

Wowboosting with her is hard to do without a sex scene, so I rely on mini-cutscenes and the Dragon Age Wiki. So far the Wow has not progressed past half-Wow status and is being as stubborn as it was when it first reared its head in March. It shouldn't be too hard though. I just gotta find the connection... "

>>12660591
Be good if I actually linked to it, now wouldn't it?
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Starprincess801

>welshop Left
Welshop had the right idea, captcha

>>12660591

>>12659594
the new harry potter movie is comming up


it might spark som lich interest


(who are we kidding horcruxes are phylacteries and having multiples of them is a really bright idea

>>12660591

I tried making it past the first page, but a combination of the subject matter, and the comments that encouraged such behavior broke me.

Hell reading your excerpt here was more bearable then that sea of bile in liveblog form.

/d/ and all it's horrors affects me not, Gurochan and it's vile depictions bother me not... that liveblog has destroyed me.

>>12660655
>>12660624
"Zatanna, Sue Richards, and Red Sonja

Comic girl Wow three-in-one! This time we have a recurring Wowgiver (Red Sonja) along with two completely new ones! Who will win out? We'll see!

Sue Richards' (Invisible Woman) Wow appeared during a roadtrip the other day. I always sorta expected her. Not being a Fantastic Four fan, I wasn't too thrilled, but hey, that's soulbonding. Always expect the unexpected and don't expect the wanted. A lot of the X-Men have a love-hate relationship with Sue and the other members of the Four, especially Emma, but hey, now Carol Danvers'll have some company in sitting on the other side of the room from the X-Men I guess ._. It isn't much yet...really it hasn't advanced past the throw-jolts-at-me-while-looking-at-pictures stage. But I'm gonna have to wait and see what it does.

Zatanna has always disturbed me, and her fanart makes her look all that more disturbing. Her power's pretty neat, but at the same time kind of...odd. She seems like a nice woman though. I read her backstory and felt melancholy, and at the same time a little given out at the possibility of a fundie superhero...the Justice League and Society and the Legion tend to be a bit more pushy than heroes like the X-Men and the Avengers, and Zatanna, judging by her backstory, seems to be one of the pushiest. A part of me feels sorta sorry for heroes like that, and her backstory made me feel very down while I was reading it.

Red Sonja is a recurrer...a character who lost their Wow for a while. However, I knew she'd come back because she appeared in my dreams, and appearing in a dream is a real Red Flag for a Wow. A dream I had a month ago consisted of nothing but a four-hour long slideshow of Red Sonja pics. REAL RED FLAG. So it's her I will be spending most of my time on, I think, because she seems to be the most likely one to win out...

Stay tuned for updates on these girls :) "

>>12660546

Well number two is the vault I designed for one client. Wealthy banker. Real banker not a high street one. He had a lot of very very unusual and frankly disturbing requirements.

It needed to be hidden so that no one could find it if they searched the house and I mean really searched it not just gave it a once over.
It had to have hidden control panels both inside and outside again very hard to find if you don't know where they are.
It had to have three cages built into it with toilet facilities (insane)
It needed ventilation (a bitch on vaults let me tell you)
And finally in addition to the cages it needed to include a small stable.

The guy who ordered it was fucking creepy. Fat, old, corpulent and slimey.

On the last day of the installation after it was fully installed and built, just when I'd finished giving him a rundown of the controls and such and made sure he understood them. He told me his granddaughter was having her birthday party there with all her classmates.

mon visage

>>12660697

I'm sorry but, sauce on the gif

>>12660697

Number one though was North Korea.

The whole thing was like some crazy indie movie that was trying to make a point about government or something. All the time I was there it felt like I was the only person on a stage who wasn't an actor.

>>12660677

"Zatanna, Day 2, 9:10 AM

Zatanna's yanks (when the vibes pull at you and pull at you and won't stop till you give them what they want) woke me up this morning, which I'm grateful for...one of the things that stopped me from waking up into a panic attack was Zatanna. Last night her Wowboosting went really well. I boosted her Wow when I was upset about something, which I was a lot last night. She responds VERY well to Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic by The Police, which I found on a video about her. She also responds well to Rebecca by Meg and Dia, though I have no earthly clue why.

WHEEEEEE! ^^ That vibe rush was AWESOME!!!! Zatanna's vibes are the way most vibes are...euphoric and light and provide plenty of healing in times of upset. This song really makes her go up FAST. I'm expecting her tomorrow at the latest, but if her vibes keep moving THIS fast she'll will SURELY be ready tonight.

And I don't have too much time to put anything else right now. "

>>12660697

The threat of child slavery/rape actually bothers me less than this... I know I'm a horrible person for saying that, but my god.

>>12660740

Oh I'll confess on the surface it bothers me less.

But it was just that guy. The look on his face every time I saw him. The look on his face when it was done, the impatience in his voice and actions. That...anticipation in his voice as he described his requirements just left me feeling awful.

When I got back from that one I spent a day in the shower and didn't dare set foot out of my bed the next.

>>12660697
>>12660726

Wow. Are you a vaut-tec representative? Sounds quite cool, even if it means making dungeons for weirdos.

The following exchange makes my brain hurt:

>Let me rephrase that: Do you care more about your soulbonds than the human beings that are not your soulbonds?
No. I had to bitch at one of my soulbonds for being an ass to my friend just the other day actually :/
>Okay now I'm curious. How the hell do your various soulbonds communicate with real people?
No they don't speak through me and they do speak to real people often. It tends to work if they speak really loudly or they sit next to the person's ear while speaking and speak slow. Sometimes though I do have to translate for them.

This friend was an Internet friend though


She then goes on a for many paragraphs on how she gets Batgirl Stephanie Brown and a couple of Touhou:
"Having given Stephanie's bio a skim, I can already tell this girl's going to be AWESOME! I think I vastly underestimated the Batgirls, considering I already have one as well (Barbara Gordon) and she is AWESOME! too. This girl is a spunky, cheerful determinator and I like that in my action girls (hell, I like that in my action GUYS), and I already found our undeniable similarities that form our connection. ^^ Stephanie's not going to be hard to get. She's already very reactive to the song Strawberry Kisses by Nikki Flores."

>>12659923

This is madness made manifest in text.

>>12660784

Nah I just design vaults these days. Mostly the locks but I can do the rest too with a bit of time.

Before that I cracked vaults for a living and still do when a client wants security testing.
Before that it was safe cracking and bombs.

I don't actually work for any specific company though. I work on a client by client basis with them being referred to me by banks or other middlemen I know.

>>12660796

Somebody should use this to make a Malkavian character or something. Put my diminishing sanity to good use harvesting this stuff.

ARGH


"Command And Conquer Experimentation: An Exposition

I figure it's time to stop dicking around with the CNC experiments. Command And Conquer is surely the strangest thing I have ever received vibes from in the entire history of forever (and I've received vibes off a generic placeholder used to demonstrate a job class in an MMO). As much as I told myself I do not receive vibes from it, I figured out a couple days back that it was all only a matter of recognizing them as vibes. Something has been driving me to perform these experiments after all

>>12660858

I cannot bond to liveaction movies or TV shows in the way friends of mine can. I often wish I could (Ellen Ripley, dude), while at the same time being glad I don't because, though I am very tolerant of the Uncanny Valley, I figure that area of the valley would just be too uncanny. I have a friend with a movie bond who says he looks nothing like the actress who portrays him, and another friend with a movie bond who says she looks vaguely similar to her actress. Would bonding to characters who use real, live actresses from the unhidden parts of the universe produce an off-model version of the actress? Would they look just like the actress, but instead with strange pixelated, porcelain-looking skin and hair? Would they be a complete 100 percent clone of their actress, giving off the extremely disconcerting effect of walking around with a perfect carbon copy of Ivana Millicevic? Or would they look like something completely different, giving off the extremely disconcerting effect of seeing them one way in their media and realizing that that's not really the way they are at all, that the actress is just a painted-up shell used to hide away the inner seed, the pip which is the entire reason for such a shell in the first place?
That is why Command And Conquer bothers me. But this is fate. It cannot be avoided. So I have to stop fucking around and I have to start running those tests on Command And Conquer, without making up any excuses. I have to accept what it hits me with. In full.

>>12660725
Angel beats

>Celebrian: How many games that you're bonded to have you played?
"Uhhh....

About...4. "
>Wait, and how many video game bonds do you have?
"Tons"
>while I can understand you not buying every single game, have you at least watched a Let's Play?
I do watch clips on Youtube, walkthroughs, I research on Wikis, read character blurbs wherever I can find them, go indepth with backstories, etc.

I don't have the money to buy every single one of these games and consoles and no I'm not pirating.

>>12660954

Alright a few questions;
* If it was a problem to bond to Jean because of her convoluted backstory couldn't you have just picked Jean from one of the X-Men adaptations(90's cartoon, Movies, X Men Evolution, Wolverine And The X Men etc)?
* Could you bond with a character who has died(but didn't get resurrected)?
* This one really bugs me; what about characters with multiple endings depending on player input? Which personality and history is real? For using the Thane example above, does he try to reconcile with his son, romance Fem!Shepard or even survive the suicide mission? He could have done any of those things or none of them because those are purely based on player input.

>>12660970

The response:

Because they're all considered the same Jean when it comes to soulbonding. It's not "I bond to this Jean but there's 7 other Jeans out there." Marvel has different continuities but with soulbonding you only get one character. I couldn't bond to 616 Jean, 321 Jean, AND Evolution Jean. I just bond to Jean.

Yes, actually, discovered with Lucrecia Crescent when I was 14. What happens is actually really neat...the character gets revived by the soul's need to satisfy the Wow! So even if a character had been resisting revival for years, all it'd take would be a Wow to get them to quit resisting revival. However, a character back from the dead, especially after a long period of time (19 years with Aria Bennett), is going to be rather disoriented and things are going to be rather new for them...

Usually multiple-ending games that involve an ending with a character death are pixel (Fatal Frame 2, however, is a er...special case that involved all sorts of strange revivals), which can't die in the first place until the series ends and then they finally relinquish their immortality. The Shepards, for instance, can never actually die until the entire Mass Effect series ends completely, so things like death in the games and endings don't do anything for them.

>>12660872

.... How? All I can think of is Original CnC and the two characters that were live actioned... but the person just said they can't... GAH BRAIN HURTS!

Is this person getting off to the tiny pixilated people that have no face?

>>12660858

Wha..... how....? I can't.... but that isn't even.... how do you..... but... bwuuuhhhhhh....?

10/10

I don't know who to give it too, but misanthropy seems better and better

>>12660985
Having plumbed the abyss of this livejournal, I think it's part that, part having an imaginary friend living in your head that you can see and talks to you all the time. Maybe. It is quite mad.

>Okay, so my conscience won't let me off the hook until I give one last shot at this, so here goes. It sounds like even excluding the whole thinking cartoon characters are real thing, you have some issues that make it seem like therapy is a good idea (such as issues with sex and anger management). Therapy isn't some huge scam either; it helped me with depression issues and it could probably help you.

>I don't want you to turn into a Christian Weston Chandler; please, GET HELP, before it's too late. Of course, therapy is only the first step (you sound like you should, among other things, limit your internet and video game usage), but I feel it's a pretty important step for you to take.

Will you stop shoving therapists down my throat? For one thing, I already have one because I have bouts with anxiety every so often. So please stop trying to "help" me. You aren't "helping, " you are making up assumptions about a girl you don't know anything about.

Can you please kindly cut it out?

Right after reading more about otakukin and soulbonders I have decided.

It is time to go consume my body weight in alcohol.

>>12661049

>Question. Has anyone/anything evil tried to...what's the word...link with you for their own ends? Seems to me that it's something a sufficiently bastardly villian might try.

>Also, do your soulbonds ever get into fights with each other?

I've bonded to villains, all of which are now reformed, but no they haven't bonded with me with intention of doing anything evil

And yes.

>>12661015
>>12660985

More Notes On Command And Conquer

Okay so you know how I said I'd stop dicking around with the CNC tests? Well...I have been sorta dicking around with those. ._. I don't know how long I am going to be able to go on playing games with the results of these tests, but something tells me it won't be very long.

I'm just way too nervous...I mean...they have actors. Actors. I've never dealt with anything with actors before, being unable to do movies. And it's very unnerving to think that this may be...bondable. I've been even afraid to discuss it because it might jinx it, but I gotta start discussing it eventually.

Either way, it's going to make me very uncomfortable...I'll either be walking around with a perfect actress clone that I did not create, which will be disturbing. Or I'll be walking around with an off model, uncanny valleyish version of that actress. Which is the less disturbing possibility but is still very disconcerting. Or I'll be walking around with a character who looks exactly nothing like that actress who portrays her, realizing everytime I look at a Command And Conquer game that this actress is nothing but a shell...which will quite possibly be even more disturbing than a perfect clone.

But regardless of the results, I have to do this.

Which will it be?

Isn't it great that the internet has given these supah spushial snowflakes a way to share their totally original gifts with us plebs?

>>12661049

I'm suddenly reminded about an inscription in one of the hospital walls in Silent Hill 2. Something about a physician/psychiatrist debating whether they had the right to treat an insane man. He was disturbed, but happy in his own little world. As long as he was confined and/or not hurting anyone, was there any harm in letting him live as he was? Did they really have the right to shake him from his insane reverie, knowing that he'd likely suffer for the rest of his life from not being acclimated to normal society for so long?

It's just baffling how this came to be. I'm almost curious as to how the circumstances of his life shaped him to be as such.

And now a short break for definitions!

There are three categories for anime and videogames when it comes to bonding:

* I. Nonpixel: These are anime and videogames that take place in hidden parts of this universe. They are filmed, and never staged (it's like home videos) by characters who wish to film a videogame. However, once the game is announced via the game company, it is clear that game company has the rights to EVERYTHING about that game, which is why many people mistake nonpixels for being "not real" when they actually are and actually did happen in hidden parts of the universe... the game company and "common" human knowledge causes them to. It is also why said parts of the universe are hidden, or one reason why. Nobody really knows why they are covered-up. Examples of nonpixels include Final Fantasy, Inuyasha, and Valkyrie Profile.

* II. Pixel: These are anime and videogames that DO NOT take place in our universe, and are in fact drawn, created, and given voice actors and such by creators. However, when the character and world is drawn, an alternate universe opens up for it, where the characters go about their own lives. They are created and technically "not real," yes, but in ANOTHER universe, they are real. Without prior experience, you can usually tell a pixel from a nonpixel by watching for things such as overly-gory deaths and over-the-top elements without the use of magic. When a pixel is bonded to a "pic portal" must be opened in order to bring the pixel into this universe. Examples of pixels include Tomb Raider, Excel Saga, and Persona.

>>12661122

* III. Deep Pixel: These are videogames (anime can never be Deep Pixels) that are NOT REAL, in this universe or any other, and thus cannot be bonded to. You can usually tell a deep pixel by watching for overly-cartoonish elements. Examples of Deep Pixels include Mario, Starfy, and Kirby.

* A pic portal allows pixels to enter this universe. It is usually opened by a nonpixel. I hear certain Bonders, especially those whose first bonds were pixel, can open them themselves in the same way you would set off a nonpixel's transporter sensor. I still have yet to open one myself. I think I will test it tomorrow. Pokemon is actually interesting. It is an example of Interuniverse Alliances..the humans are pixels, the Pokemon are not. Pokemon are good first bonds, because they are the ONLY ones that can be controlled (you can control which Pokemon you want). They're good for seeing if you have the potential in the first place.

* Interuniverse Alliances are often-plot-inducing (e.g. Pokemon, Portal/Half-Life) alliances between pixels and nonpixels. Since videogame and anime characters tend to mingle with one-another, sometimes this mingling spreads to their games. Like in Brawl. But with Brawl, with all those Deep Pixels there, those were holograms operated by a Pic Cam, which is used if Deep Pixels need to be present in the interuniverse alliance.

>>12661133

>Probably been asked before, but I just thought, in Kingdom Hearts, are Donald, Goofy, Mickey etc deep pixels? Being overly cartoony and all? And how do they coexist with nonpixels?

Yes and through these things called "pixel cams." A pixel cam is something a nonpixel game uses to project a pixel character.

>So... Sora is hanging out with projections? I trust Donald and Goofy know about pixel cams themselves, right?
>Does this, in a sense, make Sora himself a "soulbonder"?

Not if it's a projection.
Soulbonds aren't projections.
I don't really understand pic cams very well but I can ask Sora about it.

>>12661122

Okay so for the most part the concept annoys me right now. Though the definitions hearken me back to a far saner time. A time where questions of is this world a dream and I am the only one that is real springs to mind. Interesting philosophical questions like that. So philosophically the concept doesn't bother me about what is created actually comes into being. It's just the rest of it that does annoy me to no end.

>>12661158

>This was probably asked before, but can you hear the voices of your bonds?

Yes and see them too

Some bonders only get the voice and not the sight. However, usually the sight develops after a while. I have a friend who originally only heard her bonds but is now beginning to be able to see them.

>Were you able to see yours from the beginning?
>How did you react when you first saw/heard them?

I was basically like "DUDE WHOA!" I was 12 when I started with Pokemon and 13 when I made my first human soulbonds.


DANGER! DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
Pokemon comments likely refer to:
http://s2.zetaboards.com/Terance/topic/696509/1/

>>12658152
But...aren't all high-end dragons in D&D incredible sources of power, most on top seats of power among other races and even known to influence other races due to their abilities?

Or were you talking about animal-like dragons?

...I'm confus

Take him aside and tell him that you don't mean any offense, and the version of dragons you use is a fictional and fanciful one where they come in all different alignments and personalities. Liken it to the Gods of DnD; though they bear some similarities to pantheons that appeared in the real world, they are run through a filter of heavy creative interpretation.

Maybe once or twice throw in a powerful good dragon to show they are still in your world now and then.

>>12658238

See, I know a lot of people are saying otherkin are crazy, but if you're willing to put yourself into his shoes for a moment... That probably would seem kind of upsetting. If you knew about his beliefs beforehand he might have erroneously taken it as a slight.

Most of the people in this thread seem to advocate pissing him off, likely to the point that he leaves, on the basis that his beliefs are foolish- And ultimately it's your choice to make. While you shouldn't have to compromise something in your setting just to spare someone's feelings, if this guy is a good player otherwise it might be worth downplaying at least a bit. It is dumb for him to believe he is a dragon, but he does, and if you like him as a friend and/or a player, it might be worth being sensitive to that belief. If nothing else, a friendly talk with him might help.

I got a plan, to save you from this furry man!
(this one's pretty heavyhanded and cruel, but it makes for a good last resort)
Make a plot point about a dragon hatchling being draged of for testing (medieval style, so basically dissection). The otherkin freaks, and it should be easy to plot hook the party into encountering the dragon. However the party gets to the hatchling, make sure that it has one nasty wound (likely something that would require a specialized medical kit for), and make a note of what looks like a medical kit nearby.
This is where the fun begins. If he uses the kit, it's actually a kit for the injection/application of plagues. If he uses his own medical kit, the hatchling already had the plague. By saving it's life, it returns to the other dragons to spread the plague. The plage will very quickly cause every single dragon in the world to die a painful death. No more dragons. Dragons aren't an issue. It was the otherkin's fault that they died. Game, set, match.

>>12661158

I have no Wow reports right now but I do have this:

A Note To All People Who Want To Attempt Soulbonding

If you want to know if you have the potential to soulbond, this is what you do:

* Take one of your own created original characters.
* Focus intently on that character for several hours or days (however long you need), until you are sure that you would like to meet that character in the flesh and are almost sure of what they would be like if you hung out with them on a regular basis.
* Focus on that character and try to bring them to life, per se. Like, bring them out in front of you. You've focused on them until you're sure you could be close friends with them, they're your character and you know everything about them, now try to become close friends with them. Try to hear their voice and see their face (it's okay if it is only a voice at first, that means you've succeeded but need to further it a bit more). This is the hard part.
* If that works, you are most likely able to soulbond and can try to see who your first Wow will be. ^^

Keep in mind that your own created characters will not only know who you are (you are their creator) but they will know that you are their creator and you're the one responsible for their world.

ok...

What the fuck is going on in this thread?

>>12661288
>Kathy Kane (Batwoman) and Selina Kyle (Catwoman)
Looks like one of these two is gonna come out first. I didn't think I was ready for Selina Kyle, whose Wow was awakened by my bonding double, who has her, because she does not like me. But then I realized she's only acting like every villain I ever got acted before being put on reform. Sephiroth was even worse when I first got him. So I'm not worried about Selina anymore.

Kathy Kane's first jolts showed up when Ororo was telling me of a confrontation an area metric buttload of superheroes had with Selina Kyle the other night, and I got a little jolt of yayness when I heard that Kathy Kane of all people were protecting me, then the next morning I felt driven to her but couldn't get on and research her due to my shitty Internet at the time. I have 3 Batgirls (2 former, one is the current Batgirl) and it seems like I'm going to be reeling in a lot of the female Bats. Somehow Kathy seems a lot more enigmatic than the Batgirls though. I cannot put my finger on how, but she seems somehow...she's like a tower or something. I don't know what else to say

>>12661289

A thread that has long since resolved the original problem while tangentially went off on something semi related. Something of fear and despair that you should weep for having found.

>>12661342
Selina Kyle is a Neutral who is currently in Villain Mode. And like I said, she doesn't like me. How do I know this? I talked to her through her other bonder. She even attempted to do the despicable act of sealing off my soul so she couldn't reach me, but I was able to bust the seals after remembering what a friend told me about such things happening. While the seals were unstable, the Wow was extremely painful, even dizzying, and made me feel lightheaded and disoriented, but now I feel ready to take on my new needs-to-be-reformed villain. I'm not worried about her not liking me, because no villain does at first (and possibly maybe even some antiheroes). She, like all the others, will learn to like me as time goes by. As for her villain mode, I know how to press the off button on Villain Mode. (: I know how to press it real good.

So we'll see which one of these girls comes out on top.

>>12661354
At this point, I'm seeing how far I can get before I give up. See how far down the rabbit hole we can go. BEar in mind I'm only picking snippets. The full thread is 29 pages long and we're only up to 14 at present.

>>12661356
>Wow, that sounds completely sick. "Yeah, I'm going drag them out kicking and screaming, and then I'm going to brainwash them until they learn to like me and do what I want them to do."
Reform is not brainwash and reform doesn't make them like me. It makes them realize villainy is not the way to go. It's like a Steered Straight program.

It's actually a lot like what they do to the out of control teens on the Maury Povich show.

>>12661356

I think I just read that she is going to mind rape a fictitious villain character while at the same time thinking that character is real....

>>12661407
>How is it reforming them if they don't have a choice? You are basically saying "I'm stuck with you. If you don't act how I want you to act - BAD THINGS HAPPEN."

>Also - "But then I realized she's only acting like every villain I ever got acted before being put on reform. Sephiroth was even worse when I first got him. So I'm not worried about Selina anymore."

>Well yes, I would expect a cat burglar to be less of a handful than an Omnicidal Maniac.

>>12661427
Oh no, anon, you're wrong because...

>>12661464
"No, here's what reforming a villain is like:

Reforming involves a lot of sitting down and talking with the villain, who in the initial stages will usually turn their head the other way or grunt, or make snarky or stupid comments. Normally it's a one-on-one talk, but with villains like Morinth sometimes escorts are necessary (Morinth was so dangerous that I couldn't even look at her while doing the reform process). A villain like Selina wouldn't need such an escort.

Mainly, what we do is talk. Lots and lots of talk. What I'll try to do is, I'll try to get to the heart of why they've been doing what they're doing. I'll often bring out the villain's personal feelings and memories while talking to them in order to help me, and them, understand why they do what they do.

Then what I'll try to do is let them know why what they've been doing is not good, and why it's not the thing to do in order to clear up whatever their situation is, and the consequences of what their villainy could bring (with Morinth, for example, I told her if she continued like she did, she'd never get to have a normal life, ever, and she'd always have a life of running and killing, she'd never have anybody truly love her, and she'd end up getting herself killed one day).

Oftentimes a villain does not even need all this to turn around. Sometimes they just need to understand fully that they have responsibilities that they can't get done if they're busy being evil. (Kendra Daniels reformed this way.)

There is no brainwash involved. "

>>12661288
>>12661356
>>12661342

This is disturbing yet fascinating at the same time. I kind of want to homebrew a culture where everyone's does this, and explore the societal effects of such a practice.

>>12661519

Actually, screw that. This is my next WoD campaign. Fictional characters, when imagined by many people, become real and amass power by "bonding" with people who become obsessed with them. Their overriding goal is to gain bodies in the real world, because if they do then they will obtain all the power that is ascribed to them.

>>12661519
Knock yourself out, anon. This might be useful.
http://community.livejournal.com/soulbonding/

"I'm ready to defend it against criticism but I beat the whole "You're mentally ill" thing a thousand times. Also my soulbonds never harm anyone. They may get on my friends' nerves sometimes but they never outright harm them. Not even Lightning, with all her "I'm gonna rip you a new asshole" talk. Even she's said the one thing she wouldn't do is actually threaten to hurt/kill anyone or tell them to die. "
>Have your soulbonds ever affected the material world in any way but through you?
"When they talk to my friends, yes. "
>What do you mean by talk? Online?
"No, offline. "

>>12661560
NWoD Changelings have something called Talecrafting, which might be worth a look, I'm not sure. I totallly support the idea in principle, however.

>Have you ever converted a non-soulbond villain? If not, did you ever try?

No o_o Non-soulbond villains do not have the same sensitivity that a soulbond villain would so that'd be kinda sorta really stupid to do. I did want to become a criminal psychologist once, but I'd need years of college to do that.

As for the other dimension thing, back when I was 14/15 we spent every day trying to get me to Spira 'cause we all became convinced I'd have a better life living with Yuna in Spira than living with abusive Internet friends, severe anxiety issues and illness caused by them, and an overzealous, trollish religious fundie mother. Eventually, after so many failed attempts, my guardians were able to help me clear up all the issues with my world and create a better life for me here. I did overhear Diana saying Samus wishes she could take me with her though. Frankly I wish I could go with her too, but I can't. Tried.

>>12661560
Monsters and Other Childish Things?

>>12661602

>How did you try and get to Spira?
With my guardians' transporters. (The ones they use to get over here from their realms.)

My guardians started a hierarchy (I had nooooo part in this).

The guardians, the 83 from Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts, are the top dogs of my bonds. This does not mean they go around ordering the other bonds around, this means they are my default bonds and most active, are the ones who deliver the postrecruit speeches for new bonds, and are the ones to serve as the caregiver figures for me (hence why I call them "guardians" and why I'm always obedient to them...I have no one else to be obedient to). They are the most active ones in my life at any given time. They also must be with me at all times (not my rule, theirs) when I am available (those with other bonders can switch if they're not posting by me in school, when I'm at work, training, or sleeping). They get a break from me during class (only ONE posts by me in the classroom now, since we've gotten too large), when I'm working, when I'm doing my training, or when I'm sleeping (the Night Duty posts by my bed when I'm sleeping, but it's randomly selected every time, as is the class post). You must be 19 and above to be a guardian (my rule), and any Final Fantasy character I get who is younger will be an attendant instead, as they have less responsibility (the only exception is Vanille, who was actually 16 years old when she was inaugurated into the guardians because I did not know how old she was at the time, and I never discharge anyone, plus she proved her responsibility anyway, PHENOMINALLY).

>>12661648

The "attendants, " or other soulbonds who AREN'T from FF and KH, serve as a mixture of companions and caregivers to me, and the older ones (age 19 and up) pretty much take on the same role as the guardians, and follow their expectations when it comes to looking after me. They must enforce the rules the guardians set for me (some of them disagree with said rules, but my guardians will be pissed at them if they don't enforce them), and they have a lot of responsibilities to me, set by the guardians. Attendants do not need to be around as often as guardians and always come and go as they please throughout random portions of the day. They do not get Night Duty unless they request it (I'll always oblige a request, unless the person's a reforming villain or something), but they can be classroom posts.

The younger "attendants", below the age of 19, are not expected to have the same responsibilities as those age 19 and above. My guardians are a lot looser with them and they are expected to provide companionship rather than care and authority with me. If a Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts character is ever sworn in who is younger than 19, they will fall into this category. Bonds in this group cannot apply for Night Duty, but can be classroom posts.

"Vassals" are attendants who are applying for guardianship (yes, they can do that without being an FF or KH character). They are expected to take on all the full responsibilities of the guardians during their vassaling. If they do it correctly I'll let them be a guardian (this is my rule). So far I have not yet had a vassal, though Samus is talking about vassaling as soon as she is sure she's ready for the commitment (it'd mean changing her work schedule around COMPLETELY, and Samus LOVES her job).

I've said it before and I will say it again. You guys play with idiots and faggots.

Murder him! Murder him! Drink the blood! Break the bone! Tear the flesh! Eat the soul!

>>12661656

>1. A couple posts up, what you said makes it seem like all your bonds have to be guardians, attendants, or vassals. Are there any who fall outside of those groups?
>2. Do you act as a guardian/attendant/vassal/whatever to any of your bonds, or is it just a one way thing where they all help you?

1. There is the special category my own OCs fall into that is outside of those groups. But OCs only.

2. I act as a good friend, apprentice, daughter figure, mediator, and (to the FF and KH characters only) princess.

>>12661648

See I was so close to washing this all into the backwater swill where all the other trash remains to no longer harm my fragile psyche. Though that... that just makes me sad again. It's past that feeling of revolution that I first received from reading this all and now just kinda wishes that she gets help despite thinking she doesn't need it.

>>12661602
>>12661573
>>12661656

STOP! YOU'RE GIVING THEM POWER BY ACKNOWLEDGING THEM!

YOU'LL KILL US ALL!

>>12661748

You will sit there and ride this wave of revulsion until it can no longer harm you.

Or are you not a bad enough dude?

Several posts are written in response to the question "Can one pleasure oneself with one's soulbonds? ". The answer, surprisingly enough, is no.

"Getting it on with your soulbonds is in extremely poor taste and it is treated as being similar to getting it on with your sibling... "

Next, some bizarre stuff about Barbara Gordon...

OP kick the guy from your group and never contact him again. People like this are fucking insane and not worth the trouble.

>>12661786
BY GOD IF I HAVE TO SUFFER THIS YOU ALL WILL!

>>12661846
I've had my soul sealed off twice, once by a fake bonder and once by a real bonder. The fake bonder was just trying to laugh at my pain and the real bonder was teaming up with a villain. The first time, Yuna busted the seals. The second time, I busted the seals (not to mention the superheroes roughed that villain up). You don't seal off my soul. I don't care how much of a villain you are or how strongly you don't want me to share a bond with you, you just don't. I WILL break the seals.

>Anythin' real bad about being labeled an irresponsible bonder?
Well, characters are going to warn eachother about "be careful of this person, they like to weird things with their bonding powers." The girl who tried to seal my soul with Selina Kyle the other week is a queen (and I thought she'd be dethroned but she isn't -.-) and so that's an equally harsh blow. (And for those of you who are wondering when I get to be a queen, it's when I'm older/am able to train up another bonder to pass FF and KH on to).

I know this guy who loves dragons a ton, and at a Halloween party Saturday he said, "Next year, I gotta go as a dragon," (He was a viking this year; he had made a really nice costume out of leather and is in SCA). I said, "Yeah, you could go as an otherkin." and he was like, "What's an otherkin?" and I explained it and he said, "That's...that's retarded."

Mind you this guy is a guy who is at least as nerdy/fantasy-loving as any of us on /tg/. This guy who loves dragons and lives in this world of creative anachronisms and plays pirates and vikings and knows all the different types of dragons and their mythological history and all that... THAT kind of guy called otherkin retarded.

That's how fucking retarded they are. I don't think they need psychological help, I think they need someone to slap the shit out of them.

>>12661910
>What's the difference between real and fake bonders? What does having your soul sealed off mean?
>Why did the other bonders seal off yours?

Fake bonders are viewed as extremely dangerous to characters and true bonders, and they're exactly what it says on the tin...a person who pretends to be a bonder. However, if the "pretending" is convincing enough, they can actually end up twisting a character's vibes around, as if they are a real bonder. I've dealt with two fake bonders before...one did it 'cause he didn't really know what he was doing, and one did it to be malicious. That second girl (who happens to be my ALL TIME WORST ENEMY) has hurt Yuna, Leon Kennedy, James Sunderland, Harry Mason, Hope Esthiem, Travis Touchdown, Amaretasu, Kaufmann, and Samus Aran. The first time she did it, she had Leon in her roster and I had a Wow on him, which she intercepted and blocked. Of course, everyone else laughed at my pain, including her and her friends. This was before I knew how to bust seals but Yuna finally busted the seal herself. She revealed herself to be fake shortly after that incident.

About a year later she returned to do the same damn thing to Samus by tricking the vibes into thinking she had a Wow on Samus, then rejecting it, causing a load of pain for Samus until I eventually exposed the girl, freeing Samus and the other characters she'd been doing this to.

>>12661846

The words fail me.. they really do. I can't even think of a witty response to this.

fictional character soul incest... So now she's equating fictional characters to siblings.... that also have a parental role in some instances. That has now elevated things from soul crushingly sad to near tragic levels of shame.

>>12661935

Now, the true bonder who did the same thing was just listening to Selina Kyle, a (for the moment) villain. Selina decided she did not want to bond to me because I was too much work or something, and convinced her bonder to do a sealing ritual. I freaked out and called upon the help of 2 other bonders to protect me, as well as Cosmos and Minerva (who passed the information on to Palutena, Raina, and Etaine), my witches, and my superheroes, and I was in pain once Selina's Wow returned, until I remembered I knew how to bust seals. So I busted the seals. At the same time there was apparently a huge confrontation between a large amount of superheroes and Selina. I cut off contact with that bonder after she employed a ritual to split Barbara Gordon away from her 'cause I was done with her BS by that point.

So those are the experiences I've had with soul sealing. You can't seal off my soul anymore though 'cause I can and will bust seals. :/

>>12661922
see pic

>>12661945
"Well really it's all a matter of your own personal ethics I guess.

Other characters as in friends of the character the bonder in question is getting it on with, etc. You know, other characters.

I personally would not even dream of doing anything like that with any of my soulbonds. Do I have innocent fangirl crushes on a lot of the boys? Yes. Would I actually want to TOUCH any of them? Hell no. (Most of them have girlfriends anyway, and there's a lot of romantic couples in the entourage.)"

There is more, but really, you don't need to see it.

>>This thread

>>12661947

Lord have mercy on me. There's still eight pages of this stuff...

>>12661980

I understand. She wouldn't ever "do" anything with her invisible friends, but it's just kinda sad when you kinda try and diagnose it. On some levels it's funny, but really it just seems like she needs friends. Real friends that aren't into this bullshit. I wonder how much of this was self convinced, and how much of it was pushed onto her by a friend.

That queen comment from earlier just pisses me off even more. If you think about how she stated the rules that means someone "trained" her to take over the "kingdom". That is if she didn't magically handwavingly make it so that she was princess already. So someone pushed this damn delusion on a kid that apparently hated her parents and... ARGH! it's rage worthy.

>>12662080

As far as I can tell she's making the rules up as she goes along. There were at least two other threads full of wonderful commentary, but they were deleted. In them, she stated things like it was impossible to bond with a western cartoon character, only anime ones. Although between the deletions and the later comments that seems to have gone out the window. And people did tell her to make real friends. She didn't want to. The fact that her "bonds" speak to people appears to put some people off.

>>12662077

>So, when bonding. Do you have to physically create a bond or does it just happen automatically?
For first-time bonders it'll happen automatically and then you'll learn how to open the portals yourself. With me I just get another bond to open the portal/fetch people (if there is no portal).

Mira (Knights Of The Old Republic 2)

It's about bloody time I got another KOTOR bond, considering I've been waiting for one since like, JANUARY. Well, looks like we finally have a winner.

Normally I'd go all sillybuggers about OMG BOUNTY HUNTER OMGOMGOMGOMG, but now it's hard for me to be around a bounty hunter, as it only reminds me of my own dream to become one, which I was finally forced to give up a few months ago and still provides a lot of shame for me. I don't want to think I am going to feel dumpy and inadequate around Mira, but that is generally how I feel around everyone who is living the dream I can't have. It's even hard for me to read a novel about one these days.

But hey, I'm not upset that Mira's coming...she's probably one of THE coolest characters in that whole entire game (look at my sig), and I'm very happy to have her. Even if I am probably going to feel weak and small around her for a while (read: probably 10+ years). But hey, to the researchmobile Ultranova!

>>12662156
I don't know what a Mandalorian is. Maybe I should figure that out first. Ohhh, it's what Bobba Fett (spelling????) is. Those guys. Yeah. One of those. With the face armor. Except...Bobba Fett...isn't...one...I'M CONFUSED! D: All I know is Bobba Fett has armor like these guys on his face. BACK TO YOU, MIRA.

Oh, look at her. She started younger than me. I'm never going to be as good as her in the Kickassery Department am I. Damn, damn, damn. I only just now started the next level of my training in which I learned that my old training program was jank because Vanessa likes to treat me like I'm made of glass OKAY I AM GETTING OFF THE FUCKING SUBJECT. Ramble ramble ramble. In other words, I'm feeling like I'll never hold a candle to this chick already.

Stop that, Celebrian. You're here to research, not to feel sorry for yourself. It's not like you to feel inadequate like this. It's been four months and knock it off. Research. Go on, do it. This is even more pathetic than the time it took you seven straight minutes to decide whether or not to play a song. Mira's fanservicing is probably the best reason to fanservice I've ever seen in my life. And I usually say there is no excuse for fanservicing. This girl's an exception. Fanservice all you want, Mira, if you're doing it for those reasons. Lol, I'm an evil little bint sometimes aren't I

Well, this did nothing for the Wow at all. But I learned some stuff. Learning is good or something.

God this girl makes me look bad.

>>12662162

Mira, Day 2

USING VIDEOS THIS TIME. 'Cause I am too lazy to read a bunch of text.

I must say there aren't a lot of videos on this chick that aren't 8+ minutes long. And if there are I've seen em before. I could watch her become a Jedi I guess. Jedi are always fun.

PLEASE STAND BY.

"Maybe someone just jammed a power coupling up your ion engine and switched it on full" I love this woman. But why the hell is she halfnaked in this scene. Also this person is annoying and keeps clicking the A button or whatever you press on the Xbox to skip dialogue, so I have to read the dialogue real quick.

"The next time you come and ask me a question I swear I'll shoot you in the head and dump you out the airlock" so you have a John too huh Mira. (John's an annoying dick at my school who never gets out of my face and keeps bugging me about stupid shit before trolling me and then claiming we're friends and he wants to go out with me even though he has a girlfriend, btw.)

Motherfuck. Just...just motherfuck. She's so awesome. I'm trying my very hardest to NOT feel not-worthy. But oh my god, the truth is that this girl is living my dream, FOR one of the same reasons I wanted that dream. How can I not feel unworthy when held up to her? Even if she was at the mercy of a creator?

I got the Wow to raise a bit though. Not that it hadn't already raised since this morning.

>>12662178

Mira, Day 3

Still feeling inadequate, dumpy, and useless whenever the subject of Mira and her profession come up. I wish her Wow would just peak already so I don't have to worry about this shit anymore. I'm trying to research her but I don't feel like I want to anymore. I haven't felt this way about a Wow since my Wows on my first guardians, who I didn't believe I was worthy of because I was just a disgusting, apelike loser middle schooler too ugly for anyone to love. And then later I felt like this about the superheroes because I felt they had better things to do than quell my shrieking fits all the time.

Now I feel like I'm unworthy of Mira. Why should she bother about me? She's living my dream because she's not a shrieking little ball of neurotics. She should be out there hunting bounties instead of sitting here with two girls from her game who don't even like her caring for some girl who sits around and plays with crystals and metals all day and shrieks if someone so much as raises their voice at her. But I need her regardless. For one thing, I can't stop her from coming, and for another maybe if she comes I can stop feeling sorry for myself all the fucking time. Maybe she won't share the same feelings about me as I do. She won't care if I'm "worthy." None of my bonds ever have either except antiheroes and villains, all of which have warmed up to me in time.

>>12662199
There's not much more info on her except for stuff on what happened between her and the Hanharr guy I don't like. I'm going to go back to videos. But at least the Wow has boosted. It's beginning to be less of an ass now and boost steadily. Now whether that has something to do with the fact that it depresses me I don't know.

I personally think she should grow her hair out. It'd look neat. This past January when I was sifting through KOTOR I remembered her with her hair a bit longer for some reason. And since I'm focusing more on stuff like hair, that's usually a sign that I've researched all I needed to and the Wow needs a few more playful shoves like this to peak. I'm going to bet she will be here by tomorrow, if not tomorrow then definitely by Tuesday. The fact that our personalities are at least similar is a comfort. A big comfort.

Well the Wow doesn't need too many pushes anymore.

>>12662121

Okay so less rage worthy. Just the idea of something like this that ostracizes someone from society at large to become introverted into their own fantasy was brought on by another irks me. Granted that could be said about religion in general, but this is on a level all on it's own. Hell I could even let Scientology slide. So no apparent influence holding her hand down this path of self destruction. Still sad, but far less rage worthy.

>>12662205

Ariella Kent

Ariella Kent is back and needs just a liiiiiittle push to get her in here! PUSH COMMENCING.

I wish this girl's canon wasn't so freaking inconsistent. Why does DC love to torment the Supergirls with inconsistent, faulty, error-filled canons SERIOUSLY it's ANNOYING. I am starting to think Marvel really is superior to DC because THEY DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH THE CANON.

Ariella is an example of a superhero who makes the fatal mistake of taking on cases she knows nothing about. Which leads to breaking shit. Lots and lots of breaking shit.

DC Wiki's entry on her is VERBATIM to Wikipedia's. For Pete's sake. TO THE COMICVINECAVE I guess. She's already been given quite a push though...like I said, she doesn't need much right now. Also, why do I find it funny that they put "marital status" in her profile on DC Wiki...she's SEVEN of course she's going to be single.

Damn. It's a good thing this girl doesn't need too much of a push because THERE'S NOTHING ON HER DC YOU LITTLE AIOIDOSESITPIPOSDOITW 0.

Well, despite DC's bullshit, Ariella seems to be right on the edge of peaking. ^^

HUGE SUCCESS.

Are...are these people communicating with imaginary friends?

Fuck, this is what we get for watching too many cartoons.

I wonder what would be of this girl when she grows...

>>12662228

This is her. Make of it what you will.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Starprincess801

>>12662231
THEY DON'T PLAY GAMES WITH THE CANON
>lol. Clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Marvel plays games with the canon?
>They retcon stuff all the time. One More Day. Deadly Genesis. Ghost Rider being an angel instead of a demon(that one wasn't so bad actually). Wolverine's expansion pack past that lets him make a cameo in the backstory of every other character. You would know this if you actually read the comics instead of their summaries.
It takes me 7+ days to finish a comic, that's how hard it is for me to read comics now. o_o The last comic I read was an X-Men Secret Invasion comic and it took me 3 weeks.
>7+ days to read a comic? Your typical 23-30 page comic? How does that even work? Not even Claremont is that dense with text! It should take at most like twenty minutes to read a comic.
Blame the vibes.

>>12662239

Soulbonder's livejournal. I failed in my attempt to read it so glorious anon is sifting through and pulling choice entries. It will taint your soul. Though now that you have seen.. you can not unsee.

>>12662263
>DLC if the vibes are interfering with something as simple as reading a comic that is not a good thing. And don't tell me how vibes are good for you and your soulbonds and what not. Lets replace vibes with some more clinical terms and see if they still sound good.

* The headaches are making it hard for me to read.
* The intrusive thoughts are making it hard for me to read.
* The hallucinations are making it hard for me to read.
* The pain is making it hard for me to read.

>How long until the vibes become so bad it interferes with reading in general?

Thank god I can't do books o_o

I can read a comic and play through a videogame, it just takes very long 'cause I have to keep putting it down due to too many vibes.

But yeah if I ended up with books...pffh. I'd have to have said book character over all the time (since the vibes aren't so intrusive when I have the character with me).

Also vibes are not hallucinations and often are not painful. NEGATIVE vibes (death vibes, for instance) are painful

>>12662284
>Thank god I can't do books o_o
I mad. I so very, very mad.

>>12662252

Bag lady.

OP you should agree with the faggot and change all the dragons to noble beigns. Then make it so that dragon meat is a delicasy and people farm baby dragons for food. Then everyone goes and has a nice juicy dragon burger.

>>12662284
Xenosaga Experimentation, Psylocke and She-Hulk, and Command And Conquer Testing Phase 2:

Command And Conquer proved itself to be accessible (don't ask me how) last summer and got cancelled out by a huge comic girl influx, so I'm going to be getting back to running more tests on that.

Xenosaga is an interesting looking game that so far has only vibed me through one character (Kos-Mos). Since I got nothing better to do this weekend I'll be testing the other characters for vibes.

Aaaand we will soon be welcoming Betsy Braddock a.k.a. Psylocke, and Jennifer Iforgetherlastname a.k.a. She-Hulk. Psylocke was supposed to be in the first few X-Men in May, but lost her Wow to Mystique and Storm. Now she's back and she's taking She-Hulk with her.

Stay tuned, folks!

LATER

Ugh. Sorry about the lack of updates. This isn't much of an update either, just:

A Note On Selina Kyle

Well, this is it. It's Selina Kyle's time and I'm scared as hell. Why? She's the first incoming bond who legitimately hates me despite me never giving her a reason to hate her. Ever. I'm terrified out of my wits. Why does this woman hate me? I never hated her. In fact I've always been a huge fan of her. There's no way I could have done anything to her when I haven't met her. The only people she could've heard about me from were the superheroes, who wouldn't have said anything negative about me to her. Why the hell does she hate me?!

The idea of it is scaring me out of my mind. How many other people I haven't met hate me? Don't you have to actually do something to someone before they can have it out for you? Like I said, there's no way she could've heard about me, except through the superheroes. I couldn't sleep earlier 'cause I couldn't stop thinking about it.

I'm scared, guys. This has never happened to me before. Not even with a villain.

Dark Lady Celebrian with the environment that supports her is one of the reasons I left TvTropes forums. She hasn't even read Lord of the Rings, dammit.

>>12661935

>loaf of pain

>>12662440
>Don't worry, I'm sure that within a few weeks she'll end up having the exact same personality as you just like every single other one of your bonds.
Yeah, only I don't actually find that statement amusing.
>That wasn't a joke.
I still didn't like it. :/

And oh thank Christ the end is in sight

>>12662486

The pain will end soon. You can do it anon! I have faith in you.

>>12662486
Attaching as pic.

>>12662454
Do tell. Any good stuff? I was never a member, but the forums in general fill me with revulsion and anger. I'm not even sure why, although 29 pages of enabling a crazy person certainly hasn't helped.

>>12658152

Tell him it's your game, that's the way you're running it. He's free to go if he doesn't want to play. Now, I'm leery as hell of 'otherkin'- Isn't that a phase you're supposed to grow out off by the time you're 14? I'd say dump him, myself, because he'll get in the way of the rest of the group who don't share his fucked-up worldview...But your mileage may vary.

Also, nothing wrong with killing chromatic dragon hatchlings. They're vicious little fucks- If you could kill off larva before they developed into demons, would you? Same thing.

Not to mention they'll grow into something horrible that will lead to the death of thousands, and make people absolutely miserable for the next few centuries. Squash 'em.

Also, 'helpful comrade' is a faggot. There's a reason why spells like Detect Evil, Smite Evil and so on work in D&D- Morality isn't a concept, it's a physical rule of the world, like gravity.

>>12662543

S'nother one. Last one coming up.

>>12662543

And now she's developed some mother hen issues in trying to reform her evil imaginary friend. I can't tell you how much of a psychoanalyst's wet dream this person is.

>>12662616

The last one of any note, written on 19 October:

"Leanne (Resonance Of Fate)

Leanne is a 1-year-old returning Wow, which I got on her back when she was still "Subject 20" and when I felt like I had to bond with her to save her from the death sentence she had hanging over her head. When the Wow dropped, I was devastated, and after failing and failing to reclaim it, all I could do was sit there and hope deeply that something else would come along and save her life before January and her fateful birthday hit...

It did. :)

Cinderella by Stephen Curtis Chapman is still her song. I used to use it to boost that first Wow. It appears to still work. The thing with her now is I don't understand nor do I like her game. (Maybe I'd like it better if it wasn't for fucking VASHYRON though oh my god you have no clue how much I hate that dude.) I like her though. A little jealous of her 'cause no one ever calls me adorable like that except my guardians and a few of my others, but I like her. I like her loud and pushy tendencies, the way she was able to defy a fate thought inevitable, her sad backstory that the elements had failed to let me intervene in...I like her. ^^

Unfortunately, boosting her Wow is hard, because watching clips of her means putting up with Vashyron and, yeah, I hate that guy. The guy is like...walking Nausea Fuel. "

>>12662648

Another mention of lack of friends. Really if you think about it this could pretty much all be played up because she gets attention from it. Almost like an elaborate troll that trolls themselves into thinking that the trolling is real. It's gotten us to waste a night on her after all....

Mileage Treasure
Yes captcha it was a treasure of miles of text.

>>12662648

Ok. That's it. Your very own Cliff Notes version of that Liveblog. I'm off to bed, or possibly to drink a bucket of brain bleach. If somebody could somehow recover the deleted threads there was a lot more stuff in them.

Ah well. At least it's over...

OH JESUS NO
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=y8e2d8u3vyefjvh1lquu8i61&page=1

Ugh. This is why I don't group with furries/otherkin. I don't have to have stupid shit forced on me like a fucking prostitute trying to sell herself on me so hard that I have to fucking throw money down an alley to get there ugly ass off of me. OP you want to know what you do? The whole FYIAD mentality being placed against you? End the god damned campaign in a dragon fucking holocaust. Go Alphonse Capone (Some noble fa/tg/uys attempt against some otherkin imbecile.

Otherkin are the result of hippie parents who don't give a fuck and gave up caring on their children when they realized that meth was more assuring then some retarded kid. The same with most furries. This isn't freud this is just straight up bad parenting. They didn't realize that their kid would be fucked up if they watched god damned robin hood over 9k times. They didn't realize that telling their kids they could be whatever the wanted to be would lead them into being a mother fucking foxtaur. No. They fucked up and now most of my god forsaken re re generation can vote. I swear to sweet robot raptor jesus that this world will not end by war but by stupid ass motherfuckers who will prevent us from having the temerity to dream of the stars because it offends someones fucking sentiment! Here is what you do OP. You give them an orb of dragon kind. Tell them, oh you thinking I am being to hard on the dragons eh? Let see you do better. Then watch them fall. Just watch them fall.

>>12662683

Speaking as the wader in the muck of the thing, I'd honestly prefer it if she was a troll. Far less worrying. The ED article, as well as other comments, makes me think otherwise.

Incidentally, TV Tropes is going to be purged very soon as Google have put their foot down on the adult content and is removing their ad revenue.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=9lvm2r0f3zho5qst6yux72it&page=2#47
This could be your last chance to see all kinds of terrible things. Most of Troper Tales and fanfic recommendations, I'd wager.

Anyway, g'night everybody! I'm glad people... enjoyed? my suffering. Do use it somehow. Don't Rest Your Head, CoC, WoD, whatever, don't let my sacrifice be in vain!

>>12662543
My first run-in with her was in a thread about piracy: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=zl1ap99sc1s99kdx1veqwnwh&page=1

She argues that digital piracy is immoral in all instances because it is illegal. The thread consists of holes being poked in her beliefs and her being inconsistent. I called her "Silver Queen" and I am absolutely sure that she did not get the reference.

There's another thread were someone makes inflammatory remarks about otherkin and she hops right on it, then off after getting pounded into the ground. I can't be bothered to find it right now, but she's StarPrincess(somethreedigitnumber) on ED and they have a ton of her threads archived there.

The reason I left is that the forum eventually became an orgy of attention whoring. I stayed a bit in a create-a-MtG-setting and the play-MtG online threads, but the former died and the latter was boring. I still go to the comics sub-section occasionally because of a recent sudden expansion in knowledge of the DCU.

Nothing as juicy as you were expecting, sorry.

>>12662705

I hate captcha.

Now I'm off

FUCKING FOXTAURS is probably the best thing I ever did.

OP, break their worthless neck.

>>12662783
I remember the thread, and I understanding the meaning of what you wrote.

But I ask that next time, you read your posts carefully before you post.

>>12662797
Clever girl.

..... FUCK

>>12663217

Why did you go ressurecting somethin dead craig? You don't have to prove nothin. You just go ahead and pretend you special by ressurecting this argument about stupid shit nobody cares about.

>>12662199
>my first guardians, who I didn't believe I was worthy of because I was just a disgusting, apelike loser middle schooler too ugly for anyone to love. And then later I felt like this about the superheroes because I felt they had better things to do than quell my shrieking fits all the time.

>Now I feel like I'm unworthy of Mira. Why should she bother about me? She's living my dream because she's not a shrieking little ball of neurotics. She should be out there hunting bounties instead of sitting here with two girls from her game who don't even like her caring for some girl who sits around and plays with crystals and metals all day and shrieks if someone so much as raises their voice at her.

She realizes the problem, albeit subconsciously; she might still be cured if given enough medication and years of therapy.

>>12662747
>"No anons."
So now I'll have to join the circlejerk if I want to improve their little 'sperg den? To hell with that, and to hell with them.

I agree with some of the above... Show homeboy that dragons come is good and evil...

Have a noble dragon and a corrupt evil dragon fighting via proxies.

added bonus is if they take the bait and the hook you have a new arch

>>12663217
>>12663217

Nobody cares about your creepy otherkin. They just care about you stealin all my foxtaur feet and dragon chitlins. You just come in here and "Oh I am gonna scream fuck about some random furry weaboo horshit then I am gonna go steal all the damn foxtaur feet." Man that's fucked up shit right there. Nobody asked you to go resurrecting nothing. And nobody asked you to go eat all them foxtaur feet.

>>12663247

Or just show them the rulebook craig. Show them right where it shows that half the dragons would rather eat people then be their buddies.

>>12663236
>>12663258
>>12663271

Who is Craig?

>genome agooptes

Yes captcha there are genomes here at work, but with agooptes not sure...

Hello I am Craig. I am the one who has been sneaking into the fridge and eating all the foxtaur feet. Also I feel that most otherkin are generally crazy and you should take precautions when gaming with them. This should include...

1. Asking what the hell they are (Dragon, Foxtaur, Bullwinkle, Lionsnake, Griffon, Chupacabra etc) that way when they get into the campaign you will know what will push there buttons

2. Try to avoid their race all together or bring snacks to appease them, as most otherkin are either overweight or have high metabolisms and would appreciate the snacks

3. Send them on wild goose chases and side quests to make them feel important but allow for them to get killed off easily if the character is starting to stink of otherkin sue faggotry.

And those are my rules! Goodnight.

Disregarding fur hate and all that shit:

I'd just say, "This is the magical world that I have constructed. Only a fool would believe it to be my interpretation of actual dragons."

That should appease him. If he starts talking about how they aren't like HIS dragons then promptly tell him to shut the fuck up about other worlds while in your world or leave. Being a creature trapped in a human body, he should see your obvious Alpha Male status and get back in line.

Okay, thread was tl;dr, but I just wanted to add a couple things. The two primary arguments here (ethics of dragon killing and lunicy of otherkin) revolve around self image.
Everyone needs validation. we just do. If you say "I am nothing like crazy, crazy otherkin" you are lying to yourself. Statistically, at bare minimum half of you go to some kind of church. Somewhere around that same number believe in things like astrology or reincarnation. The firm belief that you are the spiritual reincarnation of a fantasy creature is no less fundamentally and logically loony tunes then a huge number of other things that the majority of the human population believes. We are helpless, tiny little creatures that need to feel secure at all costs. If it means making up delusions like god or fate or having the soul of a fox demon then it's kinda hard to cast stones just because someone's particular flavor of delusion is less common then others.

I read the thread Ray!

Dear god man...

Anyway, if OP is still around just reboot and go with undead. All humanoid core races for anything not a PC.

My brain is so full of fuck man...fuck this shit.

As for dragons: Imagine that you were the biggest kid at school. Not fat, but BIG. Brawny and tall and athletic. You were popular because you were strong and intimidating. Girls liked you, guys respected you. You would quickly realize that you could get away with a lot of shit because of that. Now imagine that instead of being 6 inches taller and 40 lbs of muscle heavier, you are the size of a city bus and can set people on file by really disliking them and breathing funny. The options for growing up into an ethically balanced and moral individual are kind of limited. Sure, you may not be evil when you are little or when you are growing up, but the moment that you realize that you can do pretty much anything without consequence, you are likely going to start turning into an asshole.

>>12663584

>>12663533 The firm belief that you are the spiritual reincarnation of a fantasy creature is no less fundamentally and logically loony tunes then a huge number of other things that the majority of the human population believes.

I'm a diehard atheist who thinks religion is a mass delusion, and even I'm offended at that comparison.

There's a big fucking difference in believing in something that you've been brought up to believe, is widely accepted and that many smart people have spent their lives justifying faith in over the centuries, and believing in something that a) you weren't brought up to believe b) is obviously false to 99.99% of the population and c) is so fucking crazy that it's your belief in it is good evidence that you have some sort of severe mental disorder.

>>12663594 so fucking crazy that your belief in it is good evidence

FTFM. Not sure how that rogue "its" got in there.

>>12663594
I will agree with you there. We are tribal animals, and a lot of our psycological well being is wrapped up in acceptence and approval. That's why people with "strange" delusions (dragon soul, dog telling them to kill, ect) tend to be more "extreme," because they have to rely entirely on their own sense of self worth for validation. People who are part of a "tribal delusion" like religion don't have to have a self-sufficient validation, so they are easier to interact with. what YOU think of them does not matter, because they have a lot of other friends who think as they do. But that does not change the fact that there is nothing, on a very basic and logical level, different about an otherkin's delusion and a religious one.

>>12659923

Just saying, that man/woman is quite clearly early onset schizophrenic. Apart from the obvious delusions/hallucinations, the giveaway is that her sentences tend to be disjointed, connecting seemingly irrelevant statements and generally 'rambling'.

That's really sad :-(. I hope she got help

>>12663617

Objectively it's true that most religions are no less crazy than otherkin BS, but most religious people are perfectly sane, whatever you think of their beliefs. I've yet to meet an otherkin who is even able to function in society, let alone one I'd describe as "perfectly sane".

>>12663637

I suppose it just boils down to what is socially acceptable. Bertrand Russell's teapot argument. Delusions that are socially acceptable make the person seem "sane" because they can find validation and support in their close tribal structure. Look at Scientology. They believe things that ANYONE you explain it to would think only a lunatic could. Yet people join the religion every day, and they have a degree of social acceptance. The only reason Otherkin are "crazy" to the world at large is because they are not organized.

>>12663637

And Scientology does not have the excuse that Christianity has, because it's brand new. Pretty much every person that calls themselves a Scientologest began one day being "sane" and ended that same day firmly believing that restless alien ghosts were the cause of their depression and anger issues. The point is, self delusion is hardwired into us. The person who thinks he is going to heaven when he dies is suffering under the same evolutionary and biochemical stresses as OP's otherkin dragon-lover.

I'd always wondered how shit like the Necronomicon was supposed to drive you insane, how mere words on written medium could harm your psyche so quickly and completely.

Then I read this thread. The whole fucking thing.

I understand now, by God, do I understand now. I felt bits and pieces of my sanity flaking off all through it and it makes me want to start killing people to know that there are actually fuckers like this out there. I must confess that it is beyond by comprehension how someone could wind up like that, and yet it clearly does happen. If you fine gentlemen (and ladies, if by some act of God any be present) will excuse me, I'm going to go drink until I can no longer see or think.

>>12664129
I feel the same bro. Also your post makes for a pretty decent copypasta.

>No. The most e-famous one was this chick who claimed Sephiroth visited her in dreams and revealed he was alive in other dimension.

That used to be a very common delusion, in fact. There was more than one of those girls around.

Seen/Playedwith worse. Still good luck OP.
My advice is just get him out of the group while you still can.

>>12664160

That hadn't occurred to me at the time, as you might imagine, but I suppose it could be applied in a variety of instances, couldn't it? Also, why are keychain bottle openers always hardest to find when you need them the most?

>They don't seem to exist around here(central europe)

Oh, they do, but without the messianic zeal combined with that overblown sense of entitlement and the rhetorics taken from the racial empowerment-movement they're mostly people with a wierd sexual fetish.

>>12662263

Great fucking shit, this person is deeply disturbed.

This whole fucking thread is deeply disturbed. I don't even know what to say. I just wish I had a picture to correctly depict how I feel. Something like my pic, but less "holy shit awesome" and more "soul-crushing confusion."

>>12664699

I wish I could kill her through the internet.

I KILLED A DRAGON AND TURNED ITS HEAD INTO A HELMET!

DRAGONS ARE WEAKASS SHIT COMPARED TO THE STRENGTH OF HUMAN WILL AND STEEL!

Ah Otherkin.

>I'm socially awkward and nobody likes me
>It's not my fault, I was a DRAGON in a past life

>>12658232
Me too.

Their hate for the "inferior humans" that they are forced to begrudgingly put up with pisses me off no end. I'd imagine that most of /tg/, with its generous helpings of Humanity, Fuck Yeah feel the same.

>>12658266
Haven't seen any of the kids who think they're really Cloud Strife reincarnated across dimensions?

Then you don't know SHIT about how horrible the internet is.

>>12664854

Heh, we had the fiancee of one of those SEPHIROTH IS MY LOVER IN THE ASTRAL SPHERE-girls turn our internet into SRS BSNS. Mods banned him for shitslinging pretty quickly though.

>>12664853
The funny thing is that /tg/ hates the alpha-jocks who make up Humanity Fuck Yeah's humanity.

I demand that whoever made and contributed to this thread reimburse me with 1 hour of their life, or 60 minutes from everyone.....seriously this is the worst fucking thing I have read on /tg/ in a while, and it lulled me in with....this conversation can't possibly get any worse....fuck all of you, I'm going to go and consume as much tequila as I can until I pass out.

>>12660817
Oh god that story about the banker and vault was.... real?!

Jesus. Did you ever refer the police to him or anything?

Hey OP

D&D is not a healthy game for otherkin to be playing. I've had one in the group before, and he completely destroyed everything with his personal beliefs. If he was the DM, the whole thing revolved around his characters... if he was the player... he wasn't happy unless he was the center of attention and the game went exactly as he envisioned everything to be. He used the game like a crutch to relive his fantasy life.
No specific otherkin either... it was always something different that he'd be a reincarnation of. Vampire one day... werewolf the next... some anime samurai another time...

I don't like to be a bigot, but if your otherkin player is anything like this guy... you may need to find a new player if you want to continue having fun.

I haven't read this TLDR thread full of what I assume to be butthurt but let me give you my idea which is really not my idea at all. Anyway...

I think warcraft did dragons really well back in warcraft III (in which they were only powerful creeps and not a part of the story). The way they described dragons back then was this:

Dragons are noble/mighty sues but they're busy doing important stuff that mortals can't understand so if you cross one you have a high probability of being eaten/horribly killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's for your own good... or at least SOMEONES good. Point is you're still probably gonna die.

Nothing personal you understand.

>>12658152
It's really quite simple, OP. Kill the furfag with fire. And do it now.
>oncely otherwise
indeed, capcha.

>>12665042

That is not what this thread is full of, my friend. Read closer.

>Did you ever refer the police to him or anything?

>Rich white person
>Police

lol. What are you, some communist?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
Is anyone else reading this thread? I can feel the waves of crazy radiating off of it like stink from a pile of shit. WHICH THIS THREAD ALSO FUCKING IS.

This is why Otherkin are dangerous and should be killed on sight:
http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/mee.html

Excerpt:
i was not getting sleep for work. jen would wake me up at 3 AM to 'see the fairy rings' or fight some magical disturbance or whatever the fuck. my job also began cutting my hours, because i was expendable summer labor. so my paycheck dwindled. this check was all the money that was coming into the apartment. at one point, and i feel horriable to say this, but cideon paid for an entire month's rent. not just my third, the entire thing. i owe teka my soul for that one. in a normal college setting, i could have easily saved the money to keep up with rent. swear, easily. even with only my paycheck. but i also had to do the food shopping.

they did have me brainwashed. i was terrified and miserable, but i was brainwashed. i know this because jen had a fight with aeris at one point. i don't even know what it was over. i think aeris woke up to what jen was doing and wanted out. jen was on about how she had been betrayed, how they were so united...about this time i began to read a few horror stories. jen had made aeris sit in a bathtub full of ice cubes and green food colouring as part of her 'cetra training.' it's a wonder the poor girl didn't get hypothermia. but jen was up in arms.

i read some books. a wrinkle in time, and ender's game. i think ender's game helped push me to my ultimate choice. the trash situation repeated in the new apartment. jen talked about gettin ga kitten. i could not imagine a kitten in such a small apartment with people who refused to clean or take the trash out. that purple skirt pulled over her breasts i mentioned jen wore the first time i met her? she wore it every day. every. day. she never washed it. she didn't bathe, either, she just dabbed herself in scented oils and glitter. god the smell in that place. it was like a miasma of filth with sparkle sunshine fairy aritficial sugar scent sprayed over it. it made me sick. and it was so hot outside.

HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT
If you read one story this year, read this one.

I got up to the posts relating to otakukin, and then I felt the need to share this link with all of you:

http://www.demon-sushi.com/warning/index2.html

Before I read the above, I was something dangerously like one of them, sometime in high school. I am better, saner and healthier person. It steered me from the hideous path I had begun to stray down.

>>12665481
>>12665446
OTAKUKIN HIVEMIND.

But seriously, these stories are the stuff of nightmares. I had no idea that such crazy existed as a result of the Internet.

>>12665446
>>12665481
HOJOMIND

Also, >>peplegam Maxwell
This is the name of my next character.

>>12665502
yeah read this story about a year ago when friend linked it to me, just about killed my love for 90% of anime and most JRPG's , also decided to stop going to the annual anime con they held in the town I lived in....it also could have somthing to do with the retards that Anime draws to it like flies to a festering corpse....

True story.

I used to play Mage: The Ascension online tabletop with the Jen in these hojo stories.

I knew then she was trouble. Never met her RL though she tried to get me to do so.

the next day, jen decided to show me 'magic battles.' these are basicly like LARP fights. she would swing around a stick or a sword to music and feign injury when hojo 'threw' stuff at her after making some goofy hand movements. hojo would do the same when jen would thrust her staff forward or something. they tried to get me to do it, but i can't act. i can't pretend i'm doing 'magic' because i am not that out of it. eventually jen dragged me onto my feet, it was something like a karaoke. i kept laughing at both myself and the fact that i could do some sort of limp wrist movement and jen would throw herself on the floor panting. afterwards they kept telling me "SEE ZACK! YOU CAN USE MAGIC!" and i just kept laughing. i knew what i was doing. i was not that out of it. but i was ready to keep humoring them, cause it wasn't hurting anyone.

>>12665585
WHAT

What...
The fuck....
Am i reading...

/tg/, I am horrified

I'm also strangely intrigued because I could conceivably create a fictional character, convince one of these people to absorb it into their brain or whatever, and correct them constantly whenever they try to tell me what they're doing, hopefully breaking their brain(further).

>>12665853
My greatest dream is to become a published author of a sci-fi series and have people obsess over it. And then TROLL THEM HARD.

>>12665886
Fuck you, Hubbard.

>>12665886
Here is your vehicle.

Fun fact: From google imaging to get this picture, the page from which it was pulled was an article about how some Edward-crazed people were advised to seek counselling by an advice columnist, when they asked for help to bring their fictional character to life or some bullshit.

pretty simple really just kill him

>this thread

With my last sane breath, I curse you, /tg/.

>>12666633
I hope to god there is an extra bullet in that gun for me.

>>12666633
Looks like your curse wasn't enough to kill this thread.

I skimmed it and I can already see why.
IT IS A FUCKING ABOMINATION
It contains knowledge so fucking forbidden, Cthulhu would go insane trying to comprehend it.
Part of my sanity got replaced with hate...

I KNEW ABOUT OTHERKIN AND OTAKUKIN
I THOUGHT I COULD HANDLE IT
I THOUGHT I WAS SAFE

NOW I HAVE SEEN THE TRUTH
AND I KNOW THAT I DON'T NEED EYES WHERE I'M GOING

My god, this thread...
I am genuinely feeling dizzy...

You know, we should archive this. It would be horrible to have to regather all the information here to warn future generations.

This thread... actually didn't bother me. At all. My mindset throughout was basically "Meh, par for the course."

What the hell happened in my life to jade me this much?

An otherkin who joined my group actually tried to convert my players to his batshit crazy beliefs during a session- so I threw the book at him. The 4th Edition Players Handbook 1, to be precise.

Then I told him to stfu, gtfo, and stfo.

>>12667482
Damn. That thing's actually pretty bulky.

Madness consumes me. I can feel it's jaws dragging upwards through my mind, devouring all sense of logic.

What have you done?

>>12667482
How do you throw a .pdf at someone?

>>12658236

>>12667603
Well played, good sir.

The answer is to unplug your hard drive first, and then deliver.

>>12667262

Doing so right now.

Anybody have suggestions for tags? I've got

Otherkin
Soulbond, soulbonding
D&D, Dungeons and Dragons
Warning, caution

>>12668331

Well, it's archived now. Just tag-search 'madness' or 'insanity' or 'Abandon All Hope Ye Who Enter Here.'

That last one really is one of the tags.

Oh God, why is this still alive. I'm the anon who was posting the excerpts, and believe me all those who are goggling at this thread, the original unedited version is far worse. Far, far worse.

In addition, Google provides us with a cache of another TV Tropes thread on the subject. Only found a few pages so far.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DJvjpagSN9oJ:tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php%3Fdi
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