humidifiers

Do they have access to magic?

>humidifiers

>>7410856
H'mm. Let's do a dichotomy. One world covered in fog with magic, the other totally lacking in magic.

Magic.

Alternatively, wet valley areas tend to fog up. A world constantly covered in fog doesn't make much sense though, because that'd probably kill off plant life really quickly assuming the sun doesn't evaporate it all.

>>7410817
You mean like Maine?

foghorns

>>7410890
Fungus can survive without light though.

>foghorns

>>7410911

But fungus can't replace plants. It doesnt make its own energy, it draws it out of things. We need plants to be the backbone of the foodchain.

>>7410911
Fungus is not a plant, it's fungus.

Also, It would not kill off all plants and really how the hell are going to cover a world in fog? I can see lots of low areas that are prone to it but, a world totally shrouded in it seems impossible.

>>7410939
Well, there is fungus that thrives on things like geothermal energy and nuclear energy. But life with niche fungus as a backbone would be very, very different. Probably a lot sparser too.

>>7410939
I dunno, the plant life would be entirely different, but it would probably exist. Or there would be fungus that develop some of the qualities we have in plants.

>>7410939
But what about low-light plants that thrive in the cool, moist ground level of rainforests? Those would pretty much be ideal for this sort of world, I would think.

>>7410966
This.

mass defogger machines, everywhere, then we dont need to worry about the fog, and can build as normal.

Do you want the planet to be sustainable?

You could have a massive volcanic eruption that spewed so much nasty shit into the air you get very fog-like conditions. Likewise a nuclear winter holocaust could be a source for vision obscuring dust that'd be fog like.

>>7410963
it can't if it did, it would no longer be fungus, it would be a plant. Also, light filters through fog. If it's heavy it will stay for a long period of time so, you have plants that are most likely highly resilient and efficient with photosynthesis. but, highly sensitive to drought thanks to all the water in the air.

ok, but fog comes from my nipples

Fog comes from my nipples

>>7410966
Rainforests aren't foggy though. There's still shit growing up top that makes it possible to grow on bottom by providing nutrients and stuff.

Lichens and mosses would be okay I think. Maybe some type of adapted slow growing plants or something grown with a combination of low sunlight/geothermal energy.

Fucked up atmosphere due to centuries of intensive energy weapons discharge

Human civilization wouldn't exist in such a world. Humans are sight hunters, and without the advantage of long-range sight, we die. Also, agriculture isn't viable, and even worse, cold becomes a whole lot more dangerous.

Limiting the amount of sunlight entering a planet also limits the net energy entering the system. A fog-covered world probably just won't work.

Ferns. Lots of ferns. Moss everywhere, lichen, and other plants that can survive without much light. Very little wildlife, since there's not enough plant matter to support it. If it's at all warm, everything metal corrodes faster than it would in an average climate.

Deep sea travel is all but impossible. Unless some magical form of navigation is developed, all ships will stay close to shore. Lighthouses will be everywhere, and I could see wars being fought over the right to emplace still more lighthouses.

Undead are a major problem since there is no sunlight to keep them in check. Likewise blob monsters, who are normally limited by the threat of them drying up in the sun, would be more common. Mold monsters, fungus monsters. Firewood would be hard to come by, so the people would likely burn coal for heat.

Lots and lots of steam power, electronics would be hard to develop due to all the water. However, steam power would likely flourish. All military camouflage would be grey. Mushrooms would likely be the prime agricultural product. Buildings would most likely be sealed to make for a dry environment.

Also, /tg/, what the fuck "HERPDERP NO WURLD OF FOG COULDN'T HAPPEN" No fucking shit, like you're the first one to think of that. This is a hypothetical world we are talking about.

>>7411034

Steam Power probably wouldn't happen. What are you going to use as fuel for your boilers? All the fuels used for steam power consist of biomass. Without the energy sunlight provides, these fuels become scarce. On a fog planet, energy itself is scarce.

>>7411020
You mean a fog-covered world with intelligent life wouldn't work, right? Because life exists in low-light conditions.

The OP wasn't specifically asking for humans as far as I can tell. Maybe some type of reptile/insect civilization could evolve? They'd constantly be lethargic and their metabolism slowed down due to lack of sunlight, but since everything grows so slow they wouldn't starve. Dunno how slow-motion creatures would develop science and technology though.

Fog isn't the same as darkness guys, plants can still photosynthesise on a cloudy day.

Power would have to be generated from running water or geothermal sources. Fog belies a low amount of air movement, right?

OP still here? quick question.

Has the world always been like this, or is the Fog a recent development that people are having to adjust completely to?

>>7411062

>how slow-motion creatures would develop science and technology though

I'm guessing... slowly.

>>7411050

If the world was not always foggy, and I'll assume it wasn't, then coal or petroleum could fuel boilers. As this would be one of the few reliable sources of energy, wars might be fought over coal seams. At the very least, the other clan/country might countermine to try to get to it as well, leading to bloody fights with picks and shovels in the near darkness of the mines.

With enough magic, fire elementals might be harnessed to run boilers. Just don't let them get loose.

this fog is going to need to be either magical in nature or in the event you don't want magic, the manifestation of a new branch of science using a new fundamental force and pile of particles to go with it because its going to need to carry some sort of energy in it for things to feed on so an ecosystem can be built

>>7411050
true, but we could also work with something were a certain event caused the fog, so to adapt we build massive agricultural towers, the rich and the important live at the peak of these massive towers and the slums exist down in the fog. Makes for a good multi-layered setting.

>>7411063
A fog isn't a cloudy day. We're talking some pretty serious, consistently low-light conditions. Some plants might live, but a majority of agriculture as we know it wouldn't function in such a world.

>>7411098
tl;dr

MAGIC FOG or SCIENCE! FOG, no literal fog

>>7411093

I'm thinking that steam boilers suspending ever more water in the air could be considered a kind of pollution... though I'm not sure if that actually works from a thermodynamic standpoint it would probably just cause more rainfall.

On another note: Water vapor is a greenhouse gas so get ready for Jungle World... at the very least.

>>7411093

Coal and petroleum come from biomass. Without levels of sunlight characteristic to prehistoric earth, you don't get either.

venus fly-traps and the various other meat-eating plants occur in perma-fog conditions

>>7411135
Yeah but jungles need immense amounts of both water AND sunlight, to much of either and you end up with a swamp or a desert.

Bioluminescent plants that other plants have adapted to gain photosynthetic energy from.

Just to piss off all physics and biology fans in your group.

Also because glowing plants are awesome.

>>7411135
assuming it's water vapor based fog anyway.

I remember watching some discovery channel special about biblical myths and how they couldn't have possibly happened. One of them was about the flood and how if there was enough water to cover 99 percent of the land mass in the world, the air would be so saturated with fog that you'd actually drown if you tried to breath it in.

>>7411157

Well Desert is characteristic of a lack of water. The constant presence of fog would make that impossible.

So yeah, Swamps.

>So, /tg/ world architects: what sort of cultural (etc.) developments would civilizations make in a world almost constantly covered in fog?
>almost constantly covered in fog
>almost

>>7411163
combine the above with the below
>>7411114

>>7411178
wrong, extremely low precipitation makes a desert

Antarctica is a desert despite there being water everywhere

>>7411208
fog is a type of precipitation though isn't it?

Aren't there bacteria that derive energy from chemicals in the soil?

>>7411216
negative

>>7411135
If the air is constantly foggy then that suggests a humidity near or at 100% so any extra water would quickly fall out as condensation or rain, yes.

>>On another note: Water vapor is a greenhouse gas so get ready for Jungle World... at the very least.
The world might be further from its sun than Earth, or there could be a lot of reflective stuff suspended in the high atmosphere, or...

How high does this fog reach? You could simply have very tall trees that reach out of the fog.

Also if the fog has been there forever then plants could have adapted to it and still flourished.

>>7411216
Yes, he just wanted to show off.
>herp derp I know what makes a desert

>>7411223
it isn't a fast process

the only you will get a world that is habitable by life as we know it is to make up some pseudo-science or just write the fog off as magic, because if you want the world covered by fog in literal sense of the word, it isn't going to happen short of that

A rainforest can be consistently low-light, Look at the great North western rainforest in the americas.

>>7410962
alright, I'm a ecologist coming from biotech who has had courses involving extremophiles and all I can say is

WAT?

Did you mean Archea bacteria instead?

>>7411262
no fog is not a type precipitation

fog forms under the exact same conditions as clouds, not rain/snow/sleet/etc

one solution is use geothermal as the energy source.

it results in a subterranean culture that doesn't use sight, instead relying on either sound or smell or touch. Probably would not venture to the surface too often, as they get away from where they gather food. causes other issues,but theres a start.

>>7411103

Fog reduces visibility, not light levels.

Look at it this way. You have a set volume of clouds, right? Enough to cover everything to the horizon. Put those clouds up high, and you have an overcast day. Put them at ground level, and you have fog.

The clouds will allow the same amount of light to reach the ground either way, but they'll block vision if they're down low, because the light bouncing off the earth is immediately reflected and refracted by the droplets of water in the air. This is why fog is grey or white and not black.

>>7411333
reducing visibility is the same thing as reducing light levels

>>7411359

He is comparing fog vs. clouds.

They both reduce light equally. Obviously a sunny day is better then both.

>>7411359
Not quite, it will hamper light levels but not to an extent that it's pure darkness Its just refraction of light is all.

>>7411403

A lot of light will be absorbed by the water vapor and converted into thermal energy though. Total energy from your local star would be equivalent but more of it would be in the form of less useful heat.

>>7411437
Indeed at which point things get steamy. Welcome to what is effectively a jungle world.

>>7411002
>>7411003

I can't stop laughing...

More on the technological and cultural side!

time travel

fog would raise the albedo of the planet. queue fucking cold ass planet. if it's a permanent thing, which wouldn't happen unless it's being generated by something other than thermal energy from the sun, plants would have small ass leaves (think pine) adapted to cold

Lighting is obviously gonna be the biggest technological concern. No one can get anything accomplished if they can't see shit in the fog. Find a convincing way to make effective foglights, and work from there.

For instance, assume that the fog is magical. It could feasibly be figured that a light which dissipates the fog is also magical, and thus hard to come by. Rather than streetlamps on every corner, a city could be built around one huge foglamp rising from the swamp.

That sort of thing?

>>7411616
I think it's dependant of the location. I mean, you've got rainforests near the equator, which are hot and the ones in regions like Washington, which are significantly cooler.

>>7411616
yeah also at which point you lose most of that fog as it turns to ices and snow. really there is no way for this to work unless you have magic.

...fogpunk?

make it adjacent to Silent Hill.

>>7411666
So assuming the fog isn't magical, the further north, the clearer the fog would be. Would this cause most population centres to be in the north, sending folks into the fog to collect resources?

>>7411542

Steam power, fossil fuels. Would atomic power work? And stay the hell away from electricity. It wouldn't work.

A culture I can imagine is a group of people that hunt silently and up close, laying in ambush and waiting for prey to come to them- it's too easy to lose prey in this. Same with what the other anon said about people making wars to fight over building lighthouses. A conflicted relationship between water- it brings them life, is all around, and primitives may think they breathe it- but it saps your energy, obscures your sight, and makes breathing difficult. It's a cold, dim world where they live. . .

OP, consider how high the fog is, on average. Is it all the way up to the breathable atmosphere? 1/2 mile? 500 feet? 50 feet?

Basically, the lower the fog, the more likely it is for the surface world to get a glimpse of the sun. If the fog is less than a few hundred feet tall, you an still have massive redwood-style trees.

Consider how creatures might have adapted their sense to this environment. If

Consider that some creatures will have adapted strategies for living above it, and some for living below it.

Cultural developments: waterproofing is important. Fog fucks electronics, bowstrings, and primitive methods of starting fires up. So, most levels of tech are affected. Iron age might not have happened due to the increased corrosion rate. Oil is very important.

Fabrics are always oiled to waterproof them. Sound-based signaling is more important than light-based signaling.

>>7410890

It would lead to superflora, such as the giant sequoia's of northern california; giant plants that reach up out of the fog, and low level plants that take advantage of the superplants.

>>7411756

>>7411778

Foggy hivemind

>>7411778
so it would be cloud forests everywhere? also there are whole smaller stands of trees growing on the redwoods, it's not impossible to say sentients make life up in their boughs I would think.

>>7411816
Zakharov is not pleased at this idea. Planet must be silenced!

Demon's Souls has a pretty cool one.

In their world, a soul grants a living being clarity of thought and mind. The ability to perceive and think and understand is the gift of a soul.

On this world, the Old One, is a soul devouring demon. And it is represented by an incomprehensible nothingness. A deep colorless fog spreads across the land, as everything from the creatures to the plants have their souls slowly devoured from them. The fog is a literal manifestation of the inability to perceive the world, all things becoming soul less. The fog only clears when a strong enough soul penetrates it.

>>7411738

I'm a steampunker who hates electricity.

Tell me exactly why it wouldn't work? We can run electric cables under the ocean you know.

>>7410817

>>7411927
After years of development. In a damper world, they never would've gotten past the experimental phase.

i was gonna suggest fog-lights you know the powerful headlights on cars really low to the road.

actually i bet that would be one of the first things that gets invented, possibly even prior to the wheel.

Problem is that elctricity will be damn near useless, Fires are hard to start and maintain and pretty much unless you want to try and take down parts of a redwood like super plant you are not getting much wood.

Civilization can't exist as we know it.

>>7411959


Where as your mode of power requires constant furnaces operating. Batteries store electricity we aren't talking about Tesla coils arcing uncontrollably underwater.

>>7412028
Key words being, as we know it, which I assume is why the OP started this thread.

OP will also eventually have to consider the religious and spiritual implications a world covered with fog has. And I suppose this one is pretty easily adaptable. >>7411890

Let's see here...A valley filled with thick fog would have a huge variety of fungi, carnivorous plants, very tall plants that reach above the fog, and bio-luminescent plants.

whoever lived there would probably depend on hearing instead of sight, unless they were tree-dwellers who built houses above the fog.

I'm just trying to imagine how creepy some of the creatures would end up being. Predators would have learned to adapt to the fog, probably finding ways to disturb it as little as possible until the final strike.

No bright colors, no markings, just like grey hairless monstrosities that wait making no sound learning to hold their breath until the very last moment they pounce.

>>7412045
Fair enough, but it'd be a hell of a slow industry. The issue isn't necessarily that it'd kill anyone who came near it, it's that to use an electrical device in anything other than a sealed room would make the thing short out and fail. You could account for this with waterproofing, but they probably wouldn't get too complicated with it because there would be too many ways the device could destroy itself, and they have other shit to worry about.

tl;dr, Simple stuff like lanterns are probably fine, but even mildly complex electronics would probably be impractical.

>>7412200
Would the fog be -that- thick, to short out most electrical devices?

>>7412349

Water isn't a very good conductor, I think corrosion would be the bigger problem.

>>7411725
Can anyone answer this? Or does fog still occur at extreme northern altitudes?

bump

Redwood-like trees. Lots of them. There would probably be different species - fruit, nut, (maybe not conifers, except in the colder regions - where they would undoubtedly become the prime housing trees for the Aboreals).
Assuming that the fog acts as a temperature equalizer, most of the world would b, in effect, a temperate rain forest, the ground carpeted in mulch, with lost of large-eyed life feasting on the fallen fronds from the emergent layer, far above. Humans (or humanoids) would likely live in two places.
Terrestrials: The higher elevations, where the fog would be less dense, or non-existent - farming, raising goats.
Aboreals: Some would probably live in the emergent layer (the canopy) and hunt birds, and eat fruits and nuts.

>>7412594

In Alaska we had "Ice Fog". The humidity just crystallized out of the air. Hoarfrost grew on metal surfaces, infinitesimal micro-snowflaked slowly fell past the streetlights. You could get half an inch of "snow" overnight just from the fog. The Wiki article says Ice Fog only occurs at -40 F, but we had what WE called ice fog all the time in Anchorage.

So yes, you can have fog even when it's very cold.

If that fog is because the world has a short draw distance, things would be pretty fucking weird.

>>7413219
Lung infections due to water-logging effects would likely be common, as well as mold, and fungi would be rampant (yaaay, food source!).
Fishing would doubtless be a very important part of the humanoid food chain. Birds of prey, especially those that feed on fish, would have their greatest asset - their vision - nearly gone.
Other birds, like woodpeckers, nut, and fruit eaters, would probably not to too badly, as they would live primarily in the upper canopies.
In the lower regions, bats might reign supreme, as far as fliers go - probably only to get caught in massive spider webs, or some other stalking predator.
Of course, there are many bats with great eye-sight that would probably hand out in the under-canopy. Being nocturnal, some species might become carnivores beyond the average insectivore, hunting out sleeping birds. They would likely be much more adept at climbing and crawling than bats today.
Ants, or a similar cleanup creature, would definitely be common on the floor.
The bottom regions of airspace would likely be inhabited by all sorts of fliers, who would try their damnedest to avoid the floor, because of the voracious hoards there.

>>7410817
Just go to Britain.

See that advancements they've made over the years.

You'll have your answer.

>>7413219
The seeds of these trees would be pretty hugenormous, since they'd need to grow a lot before they could get at that yummy sunlight.

>>7413388
Cave life in this fog would would likely be unchanged, as would most sub-terrestrial and aquatic life, so if someone wants to tackle those, I'd be appreciative (I've run out of ideas, as far as biologies are concerned).

Society among the Arboreal and their higher-elevated kinsfolk would likely be very different.
Those living on the mountain would probably live sparse, settled, clan-based lives, with a great importance on ritual, law, and civility.
Those in the canopies would be much more of a community, nomadic in nature, and would set a much greater importance on rank, popularity, and ability.

>>7413485
The trees must grow like aspens or certain weeds and grasses then. Interconnected root systems rather than seeds being the manner of propagation of the species.

>>7413485
Maybe the seeds would begin growing before they dropped from the trees?
This would require them to have a large store of energy, and they would be an important resource to nut-eaters, despite the thick shells.
Fruit might be largely vine-based, growing from the excrement that landed on branches that still received enough sunlight.
I'm tired of typing now, and am a little drunk, so I'll check back after a nap.

>>7413388
>Massive spider webs
With tons of humiduty and the greenhouse-esque heat effect that was being thrown about we can have HUEG spiders. Like fuckoff huge. I'm an aussie, and I don't want to see these things. Due to low light, etc. they'd be mainly web spiders, although compound eyes would do ok compared to normal eyes in fogland.

How cold would the colder areas get with the fog's greenhouse effect, assuming that the sun for such a world is at a distance optimal to sustain life on such a world?

The natives would develop photosensitivity and their eyes would develop at a slower rate or not at all.. They would have a hyper developed sense of hearing due to the denser air. They would have larger lungs, too.

>>7413219
Yes. Trees need a lot of water with a high transpiration rate that this offers they will thrive and grow huge.

>>7413485
Actually no. Redwood seeds are extremely small for example. Same with trees such as Black cherry and other moisture loving trees.

>>7414532
They might also have larger noses to pick up smell over the scent of the water or develop electrosensitivity like sharks have.

>>7414681
Electro sensitivity sounds cool. Lets go with some of that and the hearing. Smelling marshy fog planet all the time would suck.

Electrosensitivity?

Use every fury-ok charm possible every time you let loose a Relentless Lunar Fury

Couldn't plants just evolve to grow taller and thus get to more sunlight? And what about mountains and such? Wouldn't there be plants and such on them which would thrive better?

>>7414833
>>7414681
>>7414740

FOG SHARKS

they swim through fog. If you climb a tree to get away, you can see the fins circling beneath you.

Flowers would be a thing of the upper branches of the taller trees, and canopy plants. The ground would likely be mostly mossy with a few ferns. Any finer leaves, gaudy flowers, or sweet fruit will not be able to support itself near the ground.

Therefore deer and the like will be much smaller and more compact, sustaining themselves on meager greens. And the herds wouldn't be large. Proportionally insects and amphibians would be much more dominant.

Under water light is an even greater issue, and lack of it will compress the layers of life against the surface. Fish wouldnt grow very large, and thered be more crustaceans and worms. Less UV in the water means more particles and bacteria, so filtering an boiling water might be standard practice.

If there were specific days of the year or moments where there would be no fog they would almost certainly be holidays; possibly with religious significance. The areas on those days which lack fog if it wasn't almost everywhere would be hallowed ground.

There would be creation stories and myths about how the world was once clear and without fog but then 'humans' did something to cause the shroud.

Weather predictions would be much more vested in figuring out how thick the fog would be.

In this world there would be weather anomaly's where the fog became a thick wall that you wouldn't be able to see through at all. Wind powered machines would be prized for their ability to lower or maybe completely remove fog from an area.

The cultures of people living in such a world would be less concerned with the horizon and traveling to new lands. I imagine them to be timid and introverted, very defensive of their lands, and with a great tradition of storytelling and reasoning.

There will not be any great cities since providing food for such dense populations would be difficult and expensive. Carrying around a light source makes you blind in fog, but important roads might be lit.

The shorter daylight hours would make for a vivid nightlife. Important items and symbols would be made of glazed ceramics rather than wood or metal. Corrosion would be the main issue in building maintenance, and a wood-fungus more dangerous than termites. Infected wounds would be a mortal danger. And preserving food a constant issue.

The artwork would be stunning, but it would take days to dry

Animals would have exceptionally developed olfactory organs

>>7414998
There really wouldn't be deer, they need things like woody browse to sustain a population. Really megafauna(anything greater than a hundred pounds) would be rare as hell in the understory.

also they would need to be semi-fishman cause their lungs would need to be able to process the water in the air, maybe suffocating them in non-fog atmosphere

Um...what?

Welcome to the world of Final Fantasy 9

honestly im reminded of the Hork-Bajir book from animorphs by a lot of this talk, damn good nostaliga

>>7416391
we did just pretty much create that world, feel kinda good about it, but then, we were beaten to it too

>>7416417
>>7416391
i loved those books, and i thought that was one of the best extra books there was

bump

>>7410817

London?

>>7416949
World, not just a single location of a planet. :P

Ooooh. Do continue this thread!

The movie Speed would've been way more thrilling