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    9 KB Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:22 No.7592671  
    What the hell? I just looked at the new edition of Dinners and Deserts and found that my pork roast has just had most of it's flavor types moved over to this new group "Umami". I mean what the fuck? What is this weeaboo bullshit I've been balancing Sweetness, Bitterness, Sourness, and Saltiness for years to get this, a weeaboo loving piece of shit that goes "lawl meat is really this!". Bull fucking shit that not only peddles to idiots but weeaboo fucks.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:24 No.7592693
    Fail troll is fail.

    Umami is a flavour in the same sense that sourness is a flavour. MSG is to umami as sugar is to sweet. Mushrooms and tomatos are naturally umami'ish foods.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:25 No.7592714

    Brotip: Umami is just Savoury from past editions.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:26 No.7592724

    Savory is made up off a correct combination of the main 4, it's moronic to think otherwise!
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:27 No.7592735
    Take this shit back to /ck/

    This is not /tg/ related.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:28 No.7592752
    Science called, you're wrong

    You sir are obviously unfamiliar with how half the awesome stuff /tg/ comes up is made
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:29 No.7592769
    Learn to live with it dude, it's really improved the system which used to be just about min maxing your meat if you just wanted to play a suasage. What you should really complain about is the whole "Non commercial farm raised" bonuses which are just bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:30 No.7592777
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:31 No.7592781
    You can just play the old editions, you know. It's not like Walmart's paralawyer subsidiary is going to break into your house and force you to use the new books.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:33 No.7592808
    I heard that steroid and hormone enhanced meats don't take a penalty to savoriness in the new edition. Is this true?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:33 No.7592816
    Science has been debating over cholesterol and it's effects for years. You weren't around here for AD&D and then the major penalties they threw everywhere for everything that had a decent bit of that in 2nd edition then a half assed reversal in 3rd because "Wait only some of it is really bad!".
    >> The Mad Googlier 01/14/10(Thu)22:34 No.7592828
    Or that comment was intended to be as meta as the rest of the thread
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:35 No.7592843
    Oh god I was around for this. Eggsalad sandwiches were awesome then complete shit then something you could somewhat play.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:36 No.7592847
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    >this thread
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:36 No.7592848
    just be glad they didn't include artificial heat and artificial cool as flavors (from capsaicin and menthol respectively) since they almost qualify for the criteria

    I have heard rumors that they are debating adding "fattiness" as a new flavor
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:38 No.7592877

    Metal is also a flavour, but since it isn't normally in foods they refuse to add rules for it.

    I guess they don't eat much moose.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:39 No.7592893
    Anyone know what bonus feats you get from being Free-Range?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:43 No.7592938
    There is a new balancing scheme for Hamburger. Since fattiness adds flavor but decreases the weight of the meat during cooking, you have a bonus to a saving throw against burning the food.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:44 No.7592961

    Metallicness isn't a basic taste, its a supplemental sensation

    they released a big book of them a couple years back. Coolness and hotness fall into this area as well.

    Fattiness was in it with a note that it might be bumped up to a basic taste.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:45 No.7592970
    "seemingly high quality", "Happily to pay high price", and " middle ground vegetarian". Also don't forget the smug bonus to certain skills. I swear that smug bonus makes it hands over feat better then the "steroid regiment" and "factory fat" that are barred from having it.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:45 No.7592974
    You filthy motherfuckers /tg/ I just spent this month's rent to get the materials to play Sandwich Spread Fantasy and you switch over to fucking Dinners and Deserts. Jesus, I feel like I'm always missing out by not posting in these popular threads. Now who the fuck will tell me whether to specialize in Baconaise or Peanut Butter. FUCK YOU ALL.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:46 No.7592997
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    Muesli was here.
    You that you've just lost.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:46 No.7593004
    Oh fuck man, the smug bonuses, I forgot about those. Not as great as the Vegan class, but still worth it, for sure.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:46 No.7593005
    Oh god don't tell me you're actually in a game with the book of white trash cooking?
    >> The Greentext Goblin !XGZ8nDwSYI 01/14/10(Thu)22:47 No.7593009
    >I love you, /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:48 No.7593015
    Fattiness, Calciumness, Dryness (tannins and stuff), Metallicness, Hotness, Coolness, Numbness, and Heartiness are the supplimentals
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:49 No.7593031
    What the fuck, why are you even asking? Anything Baconaise can do, Peanut Butter does better without even trying.

    This is why nobody plays with you, goddamn. Get SSF 2e already.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:50 No.7593048
    Playing hamburger has always been hard because it's the most irresponsibly handled meat. I can appreciate what they're trying to do to burned characters.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:54 No.7593102
    I think that you can do more with Metal if you pick up the Aroma splatbook.

    It adds in a whole host of Prestige Flavors you can use on any of the Five Basic Tastes. Along with extra support for multiclassing.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:55 No.7593122
    I have no idea what the fuck is going on here.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:56 No.7593134
    Dinner and Desserts thread. Google it.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)22:59 No.7593179
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    Anyone else here troll the health food fags in game with your dish? I sure as hell do, picture related it was my last monstrosity. Even fucking got Chipotle and fries in it.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:00 No.7593200
    Honey was here, PB is weaksauce.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:01 No.7593214
    I played a Ceasar chicken salad wrap with bacon in the last food court campaign that the local Din&Des DM ran.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:03 No.7593229
    Always a classic, though you could have possibly negotiated a hamburger with grilled cheese sandwiches for buns if his game has bar and grill things.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:06 No.7593276

    Silly hybrid builds. Beef roast + baked potato familiar. RIP AND TEAR!
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:06 No.7593277
    A Dinners and Deserts thread? Where's Ja-Pan fag where you need him.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:07 No.7593293
    True. I was particularly drawn to the chicken ceasar salad wrap with bacon because the DM homebrewed a Deception feat, allowing me to pose as Soy bacon, a healthy alternative, but giving me as much fat content as regular bacon.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:08 No.7593295
    It's too bad that beef roast builds are falling out of favor now. Stupid new editions.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:09 No.7593307
    >>Dinners and Deserts

    god damnit I couldn't even make it that far without laughing.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:10 No.7593315
    Oh, you mean the honey that came from the incredible broken splatbook that only munchkinfags use.

    I should throw you off a building.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:11 No.7593339
    >pose as Soy bacon
    >as much fat content as regular bacon

    You magnificent bastard. That might actually make it possible to have a viable fast food salad build. Y'know, where you're a "salad", but you have more fat and calories than a cheeseburger? Fuckin' devious.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:12 No.7593343
    I love you.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:13 No.7593371
    And what play peanut butter? Like that's any better with all the broken PB&J specific feats.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:14 No.7593385
    I tried playing as Lutefisk once, right after the Scandinavian supplement came out.

    It didn't end well.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:15 No.7593387

    Except Nutella is better than honey, and has superior multiclass options to boot.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:16 No.7593419
    As a joke I played a peanutbutter and baloney for a poorfag meal.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:17 No.7593430
    Fuck, I once had a player come in with a PB and Honey Sandwich build. It was surprisingly balanced, What the fuck? I swear CotC must have fucking put those together that way to troll powergamers.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:21 No.7593509
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    Some weeaboo jerk in my group decided to go through the splatbooks and pick all of the highest statted ingredients without even trying to be subtle about it. And our GM fucking allowed it. There has to be some kind of penalty for this shit that he missed, right?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:25 No.7593561
    Look up the indigestion section, he's totally fucked. It amazing how many players forget about those rules, they remember the food poisoning but always seem to miss the indigestion.

    BTW, If the CM allowed it as is, he is about to give that guy the most massive trolling imaginable.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:26 No.7593582
    Is the Mediterranean build even useful at this point or was it commercialized into oblivion?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:26 No.7593584
    Lutefisk is probably the most hilarious food to play as, ever.

    Cry more, fag. They're only broken because you can't think your way past it.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:26 No.7593586

    Lack of synergies. Gold flake + foie gras + truffles + kobe beef looks great on paper, but it's too busy, and doesn't really do any one thing well. Now compare that with, say, a simple smoked salmon and rosemary roasted potatoes build. Flavor off the charts, good fat to protein ratio, and at a quarter of the cost. The "everything expensive for no fucking reason" build is really better suited for BBEG NPCs.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:29 No.7593623
    Pull together a paella with fresh saffron, whole black truffles, some jamon iberico, and a few other such ingredients. Serve with an excellent vintage of champagne. Watch him weep.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:31 No.7593658
    You know, it may seem absurd, but if you just contest his dish with well made scrambled eggs and liberal addition of black pepper, ham, and cheddar, you'll beat him easily, hands down.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:32 No.7593666
    Use the Flavor Clash rules from the Iron Chef splatbook. If he doesn't roll high enough during encounters, that shit's gonna come down on him like a hosue of cards.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:32 No.7593671

    I dunno, all that generalization? I prefer a nice, simple salt-rubbed strip steak that's been intimately acquainted with a hot cast-iron pan for a few minutes on each side. Plenty of protein for any situation, the option (though I consider it mandatory) of taking some fresh black pepper at character creation, and if the other players aren't dicks they'll pick up the slack in the areas you don't cover.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:33 No.7593698
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    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:36 No.7593745
    champagne is over priced, sure it has massive synergies but that's about it. If you can be bothered looking through all the obscure splatbooks you can find flat wine that matches almost perfectly with the rest of your character.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:38 No.7593761
    Pocky only got included with the latest D&D edition to appease the weaboos and provide a counterpoint to Umami. No real player uses Pocky seriously.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:38 No.7593768
    just make sure someone has a red wine and you'll be fine.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:39 No.7593781
    I specialised in the bounty of the sea and I haven't looked back since. I've not met a single beef, pork or chicken dish I couldn't blow apart with my much, much wider selection of centrepieces and ingredients.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:40 No.7593802
    Stay clear of the factory processed option, It never ends well. Trust me.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:40 No.7593806
    Holy fuck, where'd you get the BotS supplement? I've been looking for that shit everywhere; can't find it at my FLGS or on /rs/.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:41 No.7593809

    Eh, that's only if you need a really high Class score for some reason. Otherwise a nice beer of some kind works just as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:41 No.7593811
    Man, I was just about to make a thread asking for help for Din&Des, but I'll just ask it in here. I've been trying to figure out how to make a viable Trail Mix character for this 'On the Road' campaign my CM is running soon, but it seems like CotC has gone out of their way to make Trail mix fucking impossible, you just don't have the ability to take all the different shit you need while keeping your Flavors high enough to be useful. Am I missing something, maybe from a splatbook or something?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:42 No.7593823
    Where do you live? If you're inland, than you're shit out of luck.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:42 No.7593838
    noone you know has ever used a masterwork parmesan cheese against you have they? Combo that with truffles and you're in trouble already.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:44 No.7593857
    when somone hears steak, the first thing they think to attack is class.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:44 No.7593870

    I hear there's some decent advice in the Good Eats splatbook if you're bound and determined to go granola, but I haven't tried them. Might as well get the book, if just the rules for roll-your-own jerky. They're hilarious.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:45 No.7593885
    Ah, but the real point of the exercise is not merely to defeat his concept; it's to utterly humiliate him by taking just as many expensive ingredients as he did but then actually making something that dominates on flavor too.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:47 No.7593903
    I was hit by that in the Foodathon '03 but it went under to my Oysters Rockefeller in the second try. Am I missing something? I don't see why seafood can't counter your combo.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:47 No.7593904

    It depends a lot on the environment, really. If you're running a high-society campaign, then obviously a basic strip steak and a beer just won't work. On the other hand, if you're just doing a basic introductory adventure, tenderloin and red wine is overkill.

    It's all about the campaign, really.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:47 No.7593909

    Not really that worried for granola, I'm going for the basic pretzal/M and Ms/peanuts/cheerios mix since we're starting at a low level, but there's no way for me to get my flavor above minimum required for player characters, unless I'm doing my math wrong or there's a misprint.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:48 No.7593919
    If you're going low class I have two words for you: Minute Steak.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:48 No.7593921
    Speaking of weeaboo, one supplement of theirs that's actually amazing without being stupid is the Buddhist Temple Cuisine supplement.

    I mean, they actually use tofu properly there! That's practically unheard of in any of the Vegetarian-line classes!
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:49 No.7593937
    >Implying the vegetarian classes are legit

    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:50 No.7593956
    There might be a misprint, I'd check the errata, CotC is usually pretty good about that stuff.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:50 No.7593958
    Every once in a while, I'm really really glad I come to /tg/. This is one of those times.

    That said, am I the only one sick of legumes getting totally shafted in favor of "more traditional" sources of protein? Sure, meat's great and all, but it's not the ONLY way to do things, yannow.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:50 No.7593960

    That's only good as a sub-ingredient in a sandwich, and only if you don't have the points to go full Philly Cheesesteak.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:51 No.7593969
    your opponant was probably a noob with some really good advice and more money than brains, the point is to outlast you with that combo, you're a bit more vulnerable to the seasonal variety than most other build sets.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:51 No.7593974
    >Implying the vegetarian classes aren't legit
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:52 No.7593983

    Have you looked into the chex-derived subclasses? There's one that involves chocolate and powdered sugar if you want to go the sweet route.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:53 No.7593989

    Pure genius how that was implemented. No real inherent values save protein, but master-rank synergies with... well, fucking EVERYTHING.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:53 No.7593996
    I fucking love you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:54 No.7594004
    You must know nothing about CharOp. Vegetarian classes function decently, even sometimes with an advantage until mid-levels, but at high levels they get destroyed in any kind of competitive match. You -have- to specialise in foreign foods to remain strong, but the points that costs you cripple you in any kind of direct match.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:54 No.7594010
    this almost, almost makes sense

    god damnit /tg/
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:54 No.7594011

    I know, it's crazy adaptable. The GE splatbook has rules that can let it stand in for a classic seared strip steak, for christ's sake.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:55 No.7594018
    everyone gives CotC so much shit all the time, but then they do shit like this and we all love them again.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:56 No.7594029
    Not at all, broseph. Mushrooms too, they constantly get screwed in that regard.

    I hear some rumors that they're going to be doing a major combined supplement on alternative proteins soon, though. Legumes, fungi, assorted insect species...

    There's also rumors of some game-changing stuff an edition or two down the line involving regeneration genehacks and vat-grown meat, but I'll believe those when I see the solicitations.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:57 No.7594040
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    A food thread on /tg/ without a breadnought?
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:58 No.7594065

    Hero of carbohydrate twinks everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 01/14/10(Thu)23:59 No.7594077

    Yeah, but some of it's pretty retarded. Tofu-dogs? Tofurkey? Sounds like they've been toking the bong with Kevin Siembieda.


    Yeah, but then they turn around and drop shit like Complete Book of Beverages. Smoothies... 'nuff said.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:00 No.7594090
    Don't play Din&Des too often but when I do, I love mushrooms. Sure they're often maligned or put into a less role but seriously, if you mkae them the focus, they can really shine.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:01 No.7594098
    mushrooms and fungi have high flavour, but very low nutrient points, theyre only useful as an add-on, not a base.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:01 No.7594104
    No, that's only a problem for the Vegetarian classes that try to just be meat-with-fake-meat classes.

    The ones that start pure Vegetarian in mindset and stay pure Vegetarian all the way through? Can be fucking sublime. Buddhist Temple is one, but there's also a whole bunch of other East, Southeast and South Asian cuisines that can cover pretty much any class that isn't totally dependent on meat products.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:03 No.7594130

    Yeah, I'll admit a lot of the example foods for tofu are pretty out there, but the potential is there for some epic things. I've personally been pondering using tofu in a dessert, though I can't settle on a base flavor for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:03 No.7594135
    Exactly, you have to go foreign. Did you miss me saying that or something, you blind motherfucker? You can't afford the points to do that in most competitive games or tournaments, because they generally have a Euro/American setting.

    Don't tell me how to play this game faggot I was in the semis for Foodathon last year.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:06 No.7594172
    That's the great thing about tofu: you can use it with pretty much any flavor you want.

    It's a sort of blank canvas of variable texture, on which you can inscribe whatever sauces, infusions or garnishes you desire.

    If you want to maximize sneak attack potential, though, I recommend you go with caramel as your tofu dessert flavor and then disguise it as a flan.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:06 No.7594175
    > Intergalactic Cooking Challenge is a futuristic role-playing game that dares to ask the age-old question of whether humanity could prosper in the high-stakes world of deep space cooking battles.
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    >>7594130Yeah, I'll admit a lot of the example foods for tofu are pretty out there, but the potential is there for some epic things. I've personally been pondering using tofu in a dessert, though I can't settle on a base flavor for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:06 No.7594184

    Hey. Here's a brotip for you. Some people actually play games to have fun, and for them fun involves things like trying to make a trout-centric dessert that works. Shocking, I know.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:08 No.7594207

    Oh. Oh god. I have to do this now.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:08 No.7594217
    try caramel.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:09 No.7594225
    Oh, no, don't pull the Blumenthal Fallacy with me, you little shit. Competitive play doesn't exclude fun or experimentation, it's just whiny little faggots who pretend that it does.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:11 No.7594255

    Yeeaaaaah, because you're going to see a tourneyfag roll out with a hot fudge habanero sundae. Right.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:12 No.7594274

    And I could say that pretentious, neckbearded hooting douchenodes like you make the rest of us look bad.

    Oh wait, I just did.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:12 No.7594286
    You've clearly missed the trend for scientific cookery that's been on the rise since 2004. Cry harder.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:15 No.7594315

    Oh god, here comes the liquid nitrogen / self-cooking exothermics bullshit. While we're at it, why not allow cooking a dragon steak with a singularity?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:15 No.7594325
    this is the problem the game today, we had a cool thread going and then it decended into elitest wankery.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:16 No.7594330
    You only have to go foreign because most people don't even bother to put in the effort to do good vegetarian dishes that fit with a Euro/American setting.

    But you want to know one dish that works pretty well for me? The Caprese Sandwich. Take a long, crusty bread. Split in half. Layer slices of fresh tomato, slices of fresh mozzarella, and basil leaves onto the bottom half. Cover with a light mixture of balsamic vinegar and olive oil, then put the top half back on.

    Simple, elegant, and epically delicious.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:16 No.7594335

    You leave liquid nitrogen out of this. It's a fun gimmick when you're running a form of ice cream and take it as your preparation method.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:16 No.7594347
    What the fuck is your problem with modern methods, you dickless wizard?

    Hey, it's not my fault kids today read 'reactionary' and see 'cool'.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:17 No.7594357
    Actually, you might see that nowadays. The classic "chocolate and chiles" combo is back in.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:19 No.7594385
    It actually does offer some noticeable stat boosts to the ice cream. More even and faster crystallization gives it a smoother texture and disperses the flavor more thoroughly throughout the dairy base.
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    There are some unusual flavor combinations that work really well, but nobody really considers because they sound gross. Bacon chocolate chip cookies, for instance.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:23 No.7594430
    Oh, come on, that's the unofficial Rule Zero here: BACON WORKS WITH GODDAMN EVERYTHING.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:23 No.7594434
    Personally I'm big on the new Molecular Gastronomy rules. I know a lot of purist douchenozzles hate the whole system but it's every bit as flexible as the old cooking systems and gives new life to some of the tired old dishes that don't see play anymore.
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    MG is totally broken and you know it! The Pretention and Smugness bonuses are FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

    Fuck your molecular gastronomy. That shit isn't even food anymore.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:27 No.7594500
    Man my head chef is such a dick: at our last event, our sous rolled a souffle, and that guy seemed to be doing everything he could to make it fall. I swear I saw him banging the side of the oven deliberately and you know that 4e souffle's aren't like those twice-baked ones in 3e which are still kinda functional when they lose their holey bonuses.
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    Molecular Gastronomy was here. Cooking can suck my dick.
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    In that case, I have three words for you, sir. Pumpkin pie wontons.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:30 No.7594550

    No. This is not turning into another MG thread. Do not even start with that.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:35 No.7594617
    Now that's more like it.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:37 No.7594648

    The crazy thing is? It works either baked or fried, and if you can beat the xenophobia check, it's nearly an instant win.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:45 No.7594746
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    If you don't want to deal with the high xeno rating you can always use Butternut squash ravioli. Only thing is it's a seasonal dish and you have to take Advanced Pasta Crafting (Italian) to make it.

    But it has an almost identical flavor profile.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:46 No.7594765
    Sure is 4rry up here.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:48 No.7594778
    >>7594255 hot fudge habanero sundae

    Suddenly, I have an overwhelming desire to eat this.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:49 No.7594791
    Oh go back to your overpowered Fried Foods. Just because they nerfed trans fats doesn't mean 4e is bad.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:51 No.7594822
    >ignoring the fact that wontons appeared in 3e too
    Cry more, faggot.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:53 No.7594857

    Too much emphasis on rote recipes, almost no functionality for mixing to taste. It really shows when you use non-generic ingredients. Sure, you can just make it up as you go, but at that point, you may as well just throw the books out, neh?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:54 No.7594865
    What is /tg/'s opinion on cooking en-sous-vide. I've been wanting to give it a try, but I'm not sure if it's going to be worth it getting all the equipment when I'm probably not going to use it too often. I know I could do it poor man style, with a cooking thermometer and just nursing it, but even that seems like a lot of work when I'm not sure just how good it's gonna be.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)00:55 No.7594889
    Like 3 was any better. If you didn't play a Deep Fried dish you were totally fucked when it came to general appeal. What was the point of even playing any other dishes when some asshole can just throw whatever in a deep frier and it's automatically going to outscore you.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:24 No.7595300
    Both of you are missing the point, which is that when your dish is easy to prepare, you can focus more on the presentation and that's how you produce epic meals. Sure flavor is important, but there are other things to consider when you're trying to sell food.

    Like not having a menu so complex that your restaurant manager spends his whole time ringing up orders and can never remember what ingredients are in each dish. So he can actually talk up the food and find some interesting customers that the kitchen staff can enjoy serving instead of just trying to get them out the door as soon as possible like they do at World of Waffles.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:28 No.7595348
    >3rd edition less complex than 4th

    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:34 No.7595422
    Yeah i think we lost track of who was supporting which edition around
    and it became just pure trolling
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:40 No.7595502
    I'll do you one better, friend, and provide a free download.
    Iron Chef meets Hitchhiker's Guide? I'm in.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:44 No.7595558
    > Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls. He liked thick giblet soup, nutty gizzards, a stuffed roast heart, liver slices fried with crustcrumbs, fried hencod's roes. Most of all he liked grilled mutton kidneys which gave to his palate a fine tang of faintly scented urine.

    BBEG material?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:51 No.7595678
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    > Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beasts and fowls.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)01:57 No.7595755
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    I agree with OP, umami is sheer faggotry. My advice, stick to the classics that stand the test of time. Tart was here, and always will be, one of the best desserts regardless of edition.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:00 No.7595801
    I... I love you /tg/.

    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:05 No.7595883
    Not if Molecular Gastronomy has anything to say.
    >> ^_^ 01/15/10(Fri)02:21 No.7596118
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    How long until someone makes a pdf of the core rulebook and posts it here?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:21 No.7596132
    Luckily, it doesn't. Sound and fury, nothing more.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:28 No.7596211
    Well organs are pretty much standard fare in a lot of cuisines, but if you don't want to shell out for the supplements you can just add an offal template to core recipes and refluff them to fit your campaign. For a bbeg, maybe something from a person, or if that's too cliche for you, you could try bear liver - hypervitaminosis A ftw
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:34 No.7596263
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    Every now and then, /tg/, you pull through. You fucking brilliant bastards. I salute all of you, like the heroes you are.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:34 No.7596271
    This is without a doubt the best thread I've ever seen anywhere ever
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)02:45 No.7596414
    MG's not so bad, really, as long as you know how to do it right. It's just that the MG style has leaked out into the mainstream without any of the substance and that's why you get dumbasses calling the maillard reaction carmelization and putting whipped foams on their cheeseburger and just in general giving the whole system a bad name.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:05 No.7596643
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    I was rolling a steak as usual. Never have any problems with this build.Then the mastrechef pulls a "I like it really well done" on me. What the fuck?! Rare adds so much more to the flavor roll! Has a masterchef pulled some shit on you like this? How do you do well done well?! It's fucking impossible!
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    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:11 No.7596698
    Has this thread been archived yet?

    Prestige Class:
    Indian Curry: +d6 Fire Damage to melee attacks.
    Prerequisite: Rice class
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:12 No.7596713
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    I always take ketchup with me regardless.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:17 No.7596771
    If he's gonna go that route, well-done meat is ridiculously easy to make even with low skill. Chances are you can make up for flavor by rolling the steak as a partial action and multi-task other dishes. Even if you fail your steak, who is gonna know, really?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:17 No.7596772
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    People laugh at ketchup but it gives you an extra hard to succeed reroll on Palatibility.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:20 No.7596816
    Fucking low level campaign. Haven't even reached multi-tasking high level yet. I also took specialty dish (steak) class.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:24 No.7596862
    Well if you're really pissed about it you could try giving him REALLY well done, but you never know with these well done types, he might just like it like that. It basically comes down to how much you trust him. If he's run some good meals in the past, maybe he has something specific in mind for this one that well done might taste really good with - ask him what temperature you should hold the pan at for the cut you had in mind. If he won't help you at all with your dish after insisting well done, or if he tries to micromanage every aspect of it, you need to decide whether you want to put up with that kind of shit. Remember there's always work out there for a good chef.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:54 No.7597174
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    Oh and I almost forgot:

    Does anybody know if apple pies can breed?
    I've been thinking of adding a half-apple pie to the end of one of my meals, wanted to know if anyone has any details or maybe some recipe ideas that I could use
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:57 No.7597202
    Does anyone Have the stats for sea food? Last session, we accidentally the whole section for it. I really only need the basic stats for hush puppies and tartar sauce at this point. We're not really that far in.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)03:59 No.7597224
    Have you tried sushi supplement?
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:05 No.7597277
    Sushi? Fuck Sushi. That shit is asinine to try and play. I just want BASIC stats right now for hush puppies and tartar sauce, not switch to an elitist asshole dish.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:10 No.7597322
    Hey fuck you. Raw tuna with fish eggs smattering on it is godly
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:11 No.7597331

    Sushi's great if you're using Eastern Cuisine as your setting, and EVERYONE's playing sushi. Having some asshole roll up a rainbow roll for a meat & potatoes setting? Fuck you, pal.

    Had an excellent Eastern Cuisine meal here recently. The group was salmon sashimi, miso soup, shrimp udon, and a volcano maki roll for comic relief. Shit was epic.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:15 No.7597375
    And completely fucking out of place in my dinner group. No amount of fluff would justify sushi being there.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:22 No.7597446
    1 lb. Haddock or Flounder Fillets -- Fresh Or Frozen

    1 Tbsp. Butter or margarine

    4 teaspoon Lemon juice

    1 teaspoon Lemon rind -- grated

    1/8 teaspoon Salt

    1 Dash Pepper

    1/8 teaspoon Rosemary

    If frozen thaw the fish overnight in the refrigerator.

    Turn on oven and allow to preheat to 350° F.

    Grate the lemon rind and place in a bowl. Cut the lemon and squeeze. Measure 4 tsp and place in a bowl. Measure butter, salt, pepper and Rosemary and add to bowl. Microwave or place in oven until butter is melted. Mix well.

    Divide the fish into 6 servings and place in a single layer in a baking dish.

    Pour the butter seasoning mixture evenly over the fish.

    Bake for 25 minutes or until the fish flakes easily
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)04:31 No.7597520

    Sushi is a good option in a raw food campaign too, assuming your fellow players aren't rolling with Vow of Veganism. Yeah yeah, call me a hippie, but if you've got a kickass raw build you can get get some very solid nutrition with good flavor. Just make sure you optimize, because it's easy for a bad raw build to be bland to the point of unplayability.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)05:21 No.7597928

    Sounds like your chef needs to go back to school or hit the books. He should also you to use time management if he's gonna micro manage the meal, what do you do the whole time the steak is burning into a lump of coal, stare at it? He might think your class is overpowered and is trying to give it a challenge, but I feel he's just trying to mess with you. Well done steak is easy and if he gives you much more trouble, I'd hit up another kitchen.

    Try doing an apple/pear combo. Similar texture and flavors, can be used interchangeably in most recipes(so fits thematically as well). Your chef shouldn't have a problem trying that out, and if it's a disaster you can avoid half-pies in the future.

    My group has been trying to do a raw food/sushi group for a while. I think it'd get boring after a while, there are only so many methodologies you can follow before all the dishes seem to come out the same. I'd wait for the full on eastern handbook to hit the shelves and just do a group then. That way you can have your sushi as well as an entire group of new cuisines for those of us that want to mix it up with some flame and utensils.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)05:55 No.7598270
    >raw rice
    >> Ceiling Tau 01/15/10(Fri)06:20 No.7598443

    I heard in the new editions that the Tart can be outclassed by a simple Tiramisu!
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)07:01 No.7598714

    I hate to admit it, but I'd probably be That Guy and put all my points into Disguise and Wasabi if my chef started a sushi-only meal.
    >> I apologized on 4chan !!O1JS15Z6lxy 01/15/10(Fri)07:11 No.7598794
    I've got two players who routinely take turns as Chef, one's been doing it for years, and it shows, she's very good at running a basic English Diet meal, but she can't stand spicy meals, either to run or to play so we never play them unless she's not there for some reason.

    On the other hand, the other guy... he isn't terribad, but he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is. His Shepards Pie was terrible, and his Spaghetti isn't to great either. On the other hand he doesn't mind running spicy, so if I want that, he's my only option.
    I think he's finally got the knack of running a Rissoto though, and on Christmas he does a Bubble & Squeak, which is amazing.
    I know a lot of noobs slate the Sprout, but fuck them, they don't know what they're missing.

    I only Chef very rarely, I'm not that good at it and I still need all of my rulebooks with me as I still don't know the rules off by heart.
    Apart from Omlette, I run the best damn stuffed omlette game in the british isles: FACT.

    On fridays we mostly just play pre-made modules.
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)07:13 No.7598806
    >spicy meals
    >> Anonymous 01/15/10(Fri)07:14 No.7598813
    >a basic English Diet meal

    You guys actually use the Book of Vile English Cooking? Masochists.

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