rolled 3, 3, 4 = 10

Unfortunately, suptg's archive is currently down, so I cannot copy the last post from the previous thread.

rolled 3, 2, 2 = 7

Here is the map, updated with all the latest constructions.

rolled 3, 4, 3 = 10

>>8050796

We had a construction queue still in the works, didn't we? Or did I miss a thread?

rolled 2, 5, 2 = 9

rolled 6, 2, 5 = 13

>>8050904
You did.

Make vegetable garden with Squash, Cabbage, Carrots, or other
Auto-generate defense tasks like archery training
Educate the villagers so that the knowledge is self sustainable
Check swamp for iron deposits, use earth magic to detect shallow deposits in forest, dig them up with ice
Build up the town to take advantage of the natural resources such as explosion trees and mining
Build paper (pulp) mill
Start designing printing press
Build Bath-House
Build multi-purpose School Building, Library, Labratory
Get Sugar Beets
Work on reducing our weakness to fire, be it through magic or armor.
Harness methane gas
Learn more ice magic, enchanting, elemental magic, try ice-scrying
Talk to god

>>8050912

I'm just reminded of freeze-distillation of alcohol, actually. We could do that: make wine, then distill it by freezing into cognac or something like that. And sell that for profit in the towns.

>>8050934
Aren't there some kind of excluse wine made from frosty berries?

>>8050912

We should get the hunters and former soldier to train the village in archery. Then the printing press.

Then perhaps we can ask the god for advice on how to deal with the unenlightened peoples around us.

rolled 5, 5, 2 = 12

>>8050934
Added to list.

>>8050983
Archery training is in progress, and a range has been built.

rolled 4, 6, 2 = 12

Would you like to start the day off by talking to Hretmar, then?

>>8051038

Yes please. How much do we actually know about him?

>>8051038
that sounds good enough to me

rolled 5, 5, 4 = 14

>>8051058
Plenty. He's the most reasonable of the Frost Giant gods, and has been lonely and bored for many years because his children never talk to him. He has a voracious appetite for information, and has a great amount of knowledge from all corners of the world. He views the acceleration and aiding of learning as an appropriate offering.

>>8051038

Yeah. Ask him if he can see into the village and how exactly they feel about us.

>>8051117

We should talk more to him, then; all the better to be favoured by a god.

Is he responding now?

rolled 3, 2, 6 = 11

>>8051192
You lean against the largest boulder in your cavern, speaking the incantation you know by heart. Your mind focuses on a tiny blue dot swimming in a restless black void, a single light in the darkness. You grab hold of it, and pull it.

The face of your patron god appears in front of you, in all its bearded glory.

He beams. “GOOD MORNING, MAYA. I SENSE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE QUESTIONS. ASK, AND PUT YOUR MIND AT EASE.”

Would like to try working on the seeing through your element magical ability. Work on seeing through ice. Then try to read whats written on that ancient frost giant library made of never melting ice.

rolled 1, 2, 6 = 9

>>8051211
You've been working on this, but haven't had any luck so far. The wall of knowledge is beneath a ruined city far to the North, so you'll have to make a trip if you want to see it.

Maybe we should prepare for a pilgrimage to the lost frost giant city. Would help protect the village from those that are hunting us right now. Lets ask Hremtar where that city is.

rolled 4, 1, 2 = 7

>>8051201
You question Hretmar about several topics, mostly pertaining to your relations with your village and others around. He can see nearly the entire world at once, and divide his attention into a thousand different areas. Naturally, he has been keeping particularly close watch on the place where you live.

The villagers are, for the most part, content. Their standard of living has increased markedly over the past few months, thanks almost entirely to your wisdom, carried from another world. They like you. They appreciate you. The children look upon you with awe, and the infantryman with respect, and the reactions of the others reach across the spectrum. You are a towering figure in more ways than one.

As far as advice, the best thing you can do is remain humble. It would be all too easy to become arrogant, conniving, and warlike, with all this power behind you. It has happened countless times before, to people of all races and all backgrounds.

>>8051201

'Good Hretmar, I venerate you.' Bow deeply. 'Well I'd just like to ask about the human world here, and especially about the areas around us. Is there one kingdom, or are there many? Are they at peace, or at war?'

>>8051347
We already know that the kingdom that we are in right has been locked in a long war an opposing kingdom.

>>8051347
our bro hretmar don't really like all that venerate stuff. he's our bro, more or less.

rolled 3, 1, 1 = 5

>>8051297
The city of Karok is near the North Axis, where the ice is omnipresent and the beasts are heavy with fat and fur. It is hundreds of miles from here, past several nations. To reach it, you would have to journey through the Steppe, a desolate place with few resources, and across the borders of several countries, not to mention traveling through Frost Giant territory. It is likely that in your current state, moving alone, you wouldn't make it.

What is current fashion like in the village?
Can we get a dapper tailor and a haberdasher so we have everyone in suits and top-hats?

rolled 6, 1, 4 = 11

>>8051347
There are countless kingdoms and nations of all kinds, some larger than yours and some much smaller. War is nowhere near constant, but it is rare for an area to be untouched by it. Around your immediate position, there are several states that border on your country, Perin. There is Forus, the largest, which is at war with Perin. Matmer, Loken, and Sillasull, approximately the same size as Perin, border on the East and South. Cyreth, a small dominion, controls a large stretch of land to the North, much of which is abandoned.

rolled 3, 4, 5 = 12

>>8051419
The fashion is robes and work clothes, not unlike those worn by farmers from early 20th century Earth. In the larger towns and big cities, styles vary considerably.

It would be unwise to attempt to change the style to something vastly more complex, especially considering the expense of material and the time that would be spent on working it. This is a tiny farming village, not a Victorian utopia.

>>8051493
Hmn.
True.
But can we at least work with bright and exciting fabrics?
Like gauze dresses and tie-dyed things
Maybe introduce simple items like skirt+thighsock combinations, or skinny jeans

>>8051521
you need to stop posting.

rolled 1, 1, 6 = 8

>>8051521
The new plant processing building now holds an assortment of dyes, which can be used to color clothing at the villagers' leisure. If it is your intention to move towards more comfortable, 'fashionable' styles, it has been added to the bottom of the list.

>>8051391

We probably shouldn't go there, then... but what does Hretmar know of how the library came to be?

Also, let's not do the clothing thing. Focus on the essentials first. We're in a cold area of the world, maybe dapper clothing should be a second priority compared to, I dunno, keeping warm?

I proposed building defensive wall around village in the last thread, at the very end. Was it added to "to do" list? I would repost it but suptg seems to be down.

rolled 1, 2, 5 = 8

>>8051578
Centuries ago, the fortress-city of Karok was home to thousands upon thousands of Frost Giants, a fair number of them embroiled in a search for knowledge, much like modern philosophers or sages. They inscribed their discoveries and thoughts on a wall in a cavern beneath the city, which extended farther than any had been known to travel. There was deep magic there, seeping up from the pits of the earth. You could travel to any point along the wall with a thought, making it perfect as an information storage and retrieval system. It is said to contain the sum total of the knowledge of the Frost Giants, which is nothing to scoff at, as they were more advanced than humans before the city was destroyed.

>>8051659

.... How was such a great city laid low, then?

>>8051685
Fire gods, it was explained in last thread.

>>8051685
Some genius managed to summon fire gods/demons.

>>8051631

I'm not sure this is a good idea since we're surrounded by forest. It might be better to build a guard tower if we want protection.

rolled 5, 2, 2 = 9

>>8051596
Hretmar has agreed to keep a damper on bad weather, but the cold is still a concern. Now that you've got all those gems, the furs that would otherwise be traded in Fain can instead be used to make coats, and perhaps hats in the style of the Russians.

>>8051631
Would you like this to be around the town proper, or around the entire clearing, or both?

>>8051659

Oh, another thing we can ask Hretmar to look into around the village - can he tell what the villagers want? Their priorities? It'd be best if we asked them to help with what they want to do anyway.

>>8051714
I would prefer two walls. The outer wall should be sturdy enough to keep the local fauna out, while the inner wall should be designed to defend against raiders or bandits.

rolled 6, 5, 4 = 15

>>8051685
In the process of a grand experiment, the Frost Giants activated an ancient relic that they thought would bring them a method to reach their ancestral home, a world much like this one on the planes of ice. Instead, the artifact summoned a host of fire gods, who laid waste to the city.

>>8051714
Since we know geomancy (and if someone ask villagers could say that our mage whatsitsname did it, he could probably even help us) can we used it to make the wall all around clearing (not necessary at once), or are we still too weak.

>>8051751

Maybe we should end our morning conference now, after remaining questions have been asked?

rolled 2, 1, 4 = 7

>>8051728
For the most part, they defer to you and the elders, suppressing their own wants in favor of the collective good. This makes it difficult for Hretmar to see their desires, but he will try. For now, the general feeling is one of envy for Fain, with its thousand inhabitants, its shops, its wealth, and all of that. They want all the perks of being a large town without the drawbacks, and somewhere in the back of their minds is the knowledge that increasing traffic to the village might result in you being forced to leave.

rolled 2, 2, 3 = 7

>>8051772
You can do this, but slowly. A wall made from manipulate stone would be all one piece, not fashioned from blocks, which would make it remarkably sturdy, but difficult to repair without magic.

>>8051818

Hmmm... One wonders if they look upon that prospect well or badly. Though I guess, since they do like us, they might not want us to leave...

Well, we'll take things a bit at a time first. Oh yes, also ask how the war between Perin and Forus is going for us. If it is not going well, we may well have a reason to make ourselves loved by the rest of the kingdom as well.

rolled 2, 6, 4 = 12

>>8051876
It is going quite well. The army is moving forwards into Forusian territory, capturing farmland and burning towns. This has happened many times before on both sides, so it is not clear yet if the war is finally favoring one nation over the other.

Something I forgot to mention in the last thread: The twins brought the body of the Forusian mage to a fortress a ways from here, where a diviner traced his origin. Apparently, he was who he said he was, a refugee who was born in secrecy, with no real concern for anything but survival and keeping his lineage hidden. The twins were thanked more than once and sent on their way with a letter of minor favor from the Governor, which will be useful if either of them need military assistance or are drafted again.

A call was sent to the garrison nearest the location of the 'hidden' refugee camp. The inhabitants will most likely be enslaved.

>>8051867
HOW slowly?How much time it would take to encircle the clearing? Of course that's probably difficult to predict because it will probably will go faster once you get better at it.

>>8051932

Good. Thus to our friends, and thus to our foes.

Well, I suppose it's time we stopped talking to Hretmar and went out to get something done.

Actually, wait... enslaved? And then sold off, or something? How does the system of prisoner slaves work in Perin?

>>8051958

If we build a stone wall now, we'll need to expand it again in no time at all. Maybe we should wait till we have expanded the settlement enough?

>>8051965
That's why I propose to build it around the clearing, giving town space to grow. And when we ran out of space (quite some time from now) we could build another, bigger wall, and have the current wall serve as inner wall/keep.

>>8052008

Hmmm, fair enough. Let's put that in the list, though below the economic projects first...

rolled 4, 3, 4 = 11

>>8051958
Months, even taking into account skill increases. The South wall will be prioritized, since nearly everything bad has come from that direction. You'll try to anticipate the expansion of the town, and leave enough room within the walls.

>>8051959
After a few more minutes, you say farewell and cut the link. He wishes you well, as always.

Prisoners of war, if they're not dangerous enough to simply be imprisoned or executed, are sold in the larger cities as 'specialized' slaves. Paperwork ensures that the buyers of such prisoners remain in contact with the government, in case an agreement is made to free the slaves at the end of the war. There are many more restrictions on what can be done with them, compared to 'regular' slaves, to make sure there isn't a diplomatic incident centered around the torture or murder of prisoners.

>>8051958
I missed so many of these threads ;-;

Still, as far as a barrier to the outside world goes, a lumber wall surrounding village is probably the most feasible. We can fell and move trees easily, repair is simple, and while it is less solid than stone it has the benefit of being constructed and repaired more easily, as well as expanded. It also doesn't require any sort of mining or quarrying, the woods are there.

I'm trying to think about what exactly this type of barrier is called. I think there's a specific word for it, but I don't think battlement is right either. Oh well. And it's not "wall" either.

>>8052020
We could just do it as part of our magic practice.
Also would it be faster to combined magic with regular methods - use rough stone blocks and fuse them together into monolithic wall with our magic.

>>8052034

It's called a palisade, friend. And it is a good idea. Just wood, or wood with rammed earth for greater solidity. Some of those rammed earth walls can stand for thousands of years, no joke.

>>8052034
stockade?

Is there a way we could raise the whole village with a column of earth and rock underneath, allowing us to build a city into it?
I mean in the REALLY long term.

rolled 3, 2, 2 = 7

>>8052046
Any preference for the ideal heighth and width of the wall, as well as entrances/exits?

>>8052048
Palisade is exactly it. With our strength, the woods, and some good hard work the palisade can be put into place around the village far quicker than any stone wall and will provide exactly the kind of barrier needed -- preventing all but the most dedicated of assaults and providing vantage points and covers for archers.

Hell, it was good enough for fort builders during the 17 and 1800's, why not here?

>>8052026

Actually, given the number of specialised jobs we're creating within the community, we may really want to look into increasing the population. By getting people in as labour, perhaps.

Either we get in specialists to do the advanced jobs, or - more reasonably - we get people in to do the menial tasks, while the original village folk are educated to use the more advanced buildings.

>>8052094
Advertise!
Tell merchants to spread word of your wonderfull village
Hire bards to sing songs of it
Magical signs in the sky

>>8052082

If the wall is to be any use, it would have to be at least up to a giant's chest. But it would depend on the available materials, of course; are the trees around here all of this height or more?

Wait, shit, did we ever ask Hretmar who our body used to belong to?

>>8052106
>>8052094
Bad idea, people don't take too kindly to frost giants.

rolled 5, 5, 3 = 13

>>8052079
Possible, but it would take years for you to learn the necessary magic and build up your power to the point where you could take it in sections without killing yourself. Alternatively, you could gather a number of earth mages and spread the workload.

>>8052094
Bem has been spreading rumors of a village where prosperity is not just a dream, but a reality, despite the war. At a word, he can start pouring it on thick, and when he reveals the location of the town, people will come. This is only one plan, and there are flaws, but it is something.

>>8052082
at least 12 feet high
at least 3 feet thick, as in, at least 2 rows of trees

>>8052034
>It also doesn't require any sort of mining or quarrying, the woods are there.

There's quarry not very far from here. We can also summon stone from the ground, though that would be quite slow. Also palisade (that's the word you were looking) would consume huge amount of lumber, and it would be temporal, so it would be wasting it. And it's possible that considering how quickly we learn it could be faster to build the stone wall. An repairing stone wall is not difficult considering that including us this village have 3 wizards (more or less) already, and we can expect that number to grow.

>>8052128
>>8052141

We convinced these villagers; we'll have to convince others, or we'll just sit around and stagnate forever.

We should get at least a small party of people to come and visit. We should not be present when they do come, though. There'll be time later to reveal ourselves.

Does our new mage friend know any spells that could create a magical fire?
If so, can we please see about starting some steam power up in this magitech?

rolled 4, 6, 1 = 11

>>8052111
No, but most of them are. Shunting the lumber flow to wall production will obviously reduce the speed at which other structures are constructed. I'm assuming this has been accounted for and is perfectly alright.

>>8052121
He doesn't know. You appeared in his sight one day a few months ago, an occurence that is not unusual, because he can't track every place on the world at once. Attempting to divine your body's origin has produced no results, either. At least, as far as he knows, your mind is the only one rolling around in that big skull of yours.

>>8052172
Come live the good life in the frontier colonies!

>>8052166
While this is granted, I don't see a shortcoming to the lumber side yet. Quarrying stone still requires tools and effort, and even a Frost Giantess has limits to her strength. Laying the foundations, ensuring it's all level, requires some serious equipment and engineering know-how and practical experience. Surveying to accomodate for rise and fall in the land, making sure the ground can support the weight, moving, hoisting the largest stones...

It's not impossible by any means, but it's engineering on a much more ambitious scale than a wooden palisade where you dig a trench and move tree trunks into. And for a village that will inevitably have to expand its borders, clearing woodland and having a more temporal defensive barrier isn't a bad thing entirely.

rolled 3, 6, 5 = 14

>>8052191
He knows one spell, which can produce the approximate equivalent of a lighter flame. The Forusian was the group's fire mage, and Jerith never learned anything beyond the 'start fire to keep warm' group. Even Lark has a better command of that sphere.

>>8052201
Speaking of our mind... do we speak Giant? Is there a separate giant language at all?

If there is and we don't know it, we should start learning it. I imagine that Hretmar would be willing to help us out on that score.

>>8052172
The problem is that we have several bounties on our heads and some of them could just get greedy and sell our location to some merc company or such.

>>8052239
a spark is all you need.


but if we want steam power like >>8052191 said, we're going to need an industrial revolution. Steam power is only effective at very high pressure, which requires tempered steel or iron boilers, which require industrial forges to make.

in other words, it's a huge project for a village like this, and would take years to come to fruition

rolled 4, 6, 5 = 15

>>8052252
Most Frost Giants speak a rudimentary form of the common language, though they do have their own. It is decaying due to lack of education, which makes it easier to learn. Hretmar will teach you, if you wish.

>>8052271

That's why we shouldn't reveal ourselves at first, until those have consented to join our village. Read the posts properly, please.

Also, a wooden wall does sound plausible. Maybe with earth foundations.

With our control over the earth, would it be possible to...
Strike the earth?

rolled 4, 4, 3 = 11

Two walls have been suggested. One along the outer perimeter, and one around the main part of the town itself. Palisade or stone for either?

>>8052280

We can use Frost Giantese as like a religious tongue, actually - giving ourselves a greater role in the village. That is, if we want to introduce Hretmar to the village.

rolled 1, 5, 2 = 8

>>8052325
Yes. Slowly, at least.

>>8052355
Hretmar has already been introduced to the village, but no one but you can yet contact him on their own. He's not a human god, after all.

>>8052344

We could build around the outer perimeter with a palisade, to anticipate future expansion.

in during failest quest currently on /tg/

gone before snippity response from butthurt players

>>8052398

Second this.

hmmm, we shouldn't start a mass immigration til we have quite a few more fields and houses than we need, and of course have figured out a way to get people not to want to kill us.

>>8052398
See
>>8052008

I would suggest first building simple short palisade around the village itself as temporal solution (it would save wood and shouldn't take very long) and the start working on bigger stone wall going around perimeter of clearing ,which probably will be bigger at the time. maybe we could even enlarge the clearing a bit into regular shape (circle, square or hexagon for example) and build the wall in that shape over the course of months.

I vote for building a pallisade around the whole clearing, once we have enough buildings for our current population +20%, and then later building an awesome stone wall around the original village center that will eventually become a keep. that last part may be years or decades away, but it never hurts to toss out some long term plans.

>>8052554
make sure to include the fields in the wall, in case of siege.

>>8052514
I would suggest this, red - stone wall, brown - palisade.

>>8052581
Ambitious and decades in the making, but sensible. I approve.

rolled 3, 6, 1 = 10

>>8052581
The palisade doesn't leave much room, but that brings up a point I haven't addressed. The village population has moved into the standard houses, leaving the huts empty. They can be torn down.

>>8052581
I second this.

>>8052573
>>8052554
We aren't expecting any sieges in several coming months, so when we will be rally threatened with siege we could already have stone wall up. And it's not like palisade would give any protection if siege situation would come up.

>>8052646
tear down huts, replace with buildings.

>>8052581

Do you not mean the other way round? Have you any idea how much time a stone wall that length would take?

>>8052646
That's rough sketch done in MS paint in 1 minute, so it's not exact. Palisade could be a little bigger to accommodate for, say, half year worth of grow because it's a temporal measure for coming months and after that i wouldn't really matter.

rolled 5, 5, 2 = 12

>>8052659
Acknowledged. Hut destruction and wall construction with the above pattern added to list.

The general heading 'Expand and Improve' can be used to cover things the elders or villagers bring up, or that haven't been thought of during the timeskip.

>>8052687
true. I vote for increasing the radius by about 10-20%.

>>8052668
Several months, maybe half a year. It's a long term project, but it's not like we are going anywhere.

rolled 4, 3, 3 = 10

>>8052691
The longest timeskip so far has been a month. I can take you to the end of autumn if you want, or further. It's the seventh month, out of 14.

>>8052714

We really should have other priorities. Now we have a small vilalge attempting to build an enormous wall. They should be working, farming, harvesting, building other more useful things.

It's not like we're under dire threat of a siege in any case!

>>8052717
I say go for it.

>>8052717
What, timeskip all that way?
No-think of all the stuff we'd be missing!

>>8052745

I second this. A palisade around the red line would be feasible, a stone wall would be madness. Don't we have better things to do than pretend we are a town we're not - and possibly attract unwanted attention that way?

>>8052717

Don't skip the farming season; this is just as life's getting exciting. Who knows what happens while we're farming?

Guys, stop for a minute and think.


We're trying to build a military defensive position (aka wall) around our village.


We don't even have any soldiers. Do we even have real weapons or a militia? Just a bunch of archers?

My point is, if we spend all this time building a kickass wall, we're still screwed if a real army shows up. We don't have a big enough town to field a large enough force to defend against a competent and determined enemy. Even if we have a fancy wall to starve behind.


A simple wooden palisade around the immediate buildings should be erected, along with instating a militia drilling program.

A fort is useless if there are no soldiers to hold it.

rolled 4, 3, 4 = 11

>>8052756
>>8052774
If something extremely interesting crops up, like a Demon invasion, or the HMS Thunderchild plowing into the granary, I'll pause the skip.

>>8052745
It's not the villager that would be building a wall, it would be us and our geomancy.

>>8052796
TRAINING VILLAGERS MONTAGE GO!

>>8052796

Second this. Building a palisade would be perfectly reasonable, to keep livestock in, and maybe discourage bandits.

If we build the stone wall, we're just using it as magic practice, magnet for the attention of marauding armies, and it will sit pretty without guards. That's plain idiotic.

Start a warrior culture where people either choose to have a Spartan Warrior way of life or they choose to be artists, craftsmen, thinkers and workers.

>>8052801

Doesn't give the stone wall any more meaning or make it any less silly. We've been careful about building the village so it can stand properly. Why are we building something unnecessary and possibly dangerous? What would the governor think about a village that's suddenly walled itself up with stone - and a seamless stone wall too?

>>8052796
our entire town is learning archery. we ourselves can lob ice grenades like nobody's business. its an excellent bandit detterent. it keeps out dangerous wild animals. it provides the thing that these villagers need most: security. it also reduces the chance of pests eating food.

rolled 6, 2, 6 = 14

Palisade will be first. You can decide whether a stone wall is a good idea or not after more space has been cleared.

Swordsman and former soldier give the villagers training in self defense and principles of combat?

>>8052796
It's not a fort, it's a town wall, something most medieval town had. It has little value now, but could be very useful later, and it would be very useful magic training exercise for us at the same time.

>>8052840

Keeping out bandits, keeping out animals, making peasants safe: we can do that with a bloody wooden fence. How many bandits are there with specialised teams of siege engines to take down fortifications?

Get your priorities right, man. Also what's pests gotta do with anything?

this is a farming village.
If we start training soldiers, how long do you think it will take for the government to snatch them up and send them off to the war with that other country?


We need to keep a small force of highly trained individuals, whose responsibility is to keep the peace and obsessively gather information that we can use to our advantage in order to avoid getting dragged into a fight we cannot win.


Trying to build a freaking castle out of this town is only going to lead to ruin. Either by bandits/mercs, or by the king/government recruiting our best and brightest for the war effort.

We have to remain low key, isolated, and innocent for as long as possible.

>>8052863

We are not a bloody medieval town! We have a hundred people! A hundred! How strong is Fain's wall? What message does it send when a wall thrice as strong comes up around a nondescript nearby village?

We'll end up exposing ourselves, and you're the one who says we shouldn't let outsiders in to see the frost giant. Well, who's built that enormous wall? It's not a mage, it's not a wizard...

rolled 6, 4, 4 = 14

>>8052862
That's been going on along with archery training.

rolled 1, 5, 2 = 8

>>8052890
Fain's wall is simple stone, quite thick, with towers rising out of the corners. It's a pentagon, with the edges some distance from the town itself.

>>8052890
the outer wall is a wooden pallisade. crude as hell, common as fuck, and completely sensible. no one will look twice.

Off topic, but I have question about these adventurer guilds I have heard so much about.

>>8052894

We could do a longer timeskip while we work on the palisade, then. And then look into other economic means to expand the village.

OK, palisade will be enough for a time. Maybe we could practice our stone shaping talents by building larger, nicer and more permanent library/school/temple of Hretmar?

rolled 4, 6, 5 = 15

>>8052924
...And that question would be?

>>8052947
Added to list.

Anything else?

>>8052947

A stone town hall would be nice, as would temples.

rolled 3, 4, 6 = 13

>>8052992
Temples to who?

>>8052964
How exactly are they organised?
Are they run through the state?
Are they just a fancy term for mercenary companies?
How do you get into one?
Do you have to pay a fee?
How many are there?
Do they equip you?

>>8052992
Do Gods actually exist?
Or can we say they're not real, but ideas and paragons of good that we should look up to and repeat their example?

>>8053016
shouldn't that be 'to whom?'

>>8053031
No the gods are very real-We just talked with one.

rolled 5, 3, 3 = 11

>>8053027
>How exactly are they organised?
Depends on the guild. Some resemble corporations, others loose brotherhoods. A great many are recognized by the government, a status that must be bought, but brings with it opportunities, like scouting missions.

>Are they run through the state?
There are government-approved guilds that are basically glorified reservist organizations. These are well-supplied and difficult to get into, hosting the very best and the most skilled.

>Are they just a fancy term for mercenary companies?
A few are. Some of them allow you to hire combat-oriented members for pretty much anything, as long as you pay well and can keep secrets.

>How do you get into one?
Depends. Sometimes you have to prove yourself in battle, sometimes you just have to pay a fee, others will accept you just for the asking.

>Do you have to pay a fee?
Depends.

>How many are there?
Thousands, most of them with less than 20 members, in the rural districts.

>Do they equip you?
It is traditional to maintain a pool of common, low-quality equipment that members can use if necessary. Understandably, the richer, more connected guilds have better equipment, and those who are 'tight' with the military may issue recruits a whole set of armor and weapons.

>>8053031
Some are real (like Hretmar), some are not. Gods villagers honor are most likely not real, and they do it more because of tradition that real belief.

rolled 4, 5, 3 = 12

>>8053031
Some exist, some don't. It is unusual for gods to interfere in an immediately recognizable way.

>>8053041
Maybe.

>>8053153
So kind of like the bounty hunters guild from Star Wars?
Oh, one more quick question:
How often do they do 'quests' as we know them, and how often do they do merc-work?

>>8053153

Maybe to Hretmar, then. Oh maybe we should ask Hretmar if he could appear to humans as well as Giants.

rolled 2, 4, 4 = 10

>>8053185
In areas where there are ruins, wilderness, or large forests nearby, quests are frequent, often netting mundane rewards. Mercenary work is more common to the city guilds, which can afford to send large parties off into remote places to kill things and people for money, and minimal risk.

So I'm thinking that we should be learning Frost Giantese, if only because when we do eventually travel to that library we'll want to be able to read it fluently. Also, knowing many languages is good for the mind and not knowing our race's native tongue could get all kinds of awkward.

And we should keep trying to learn how to ice scry. That's too valuable a trick not to master. Come the winter, we'll be able to do all kinds of crazy things.

>>8053231
Nah, I don't think he's interested.
Still, why don't we see if there are any human based gods of reason and hard work that we can bring into the villagers pantheon.

rolled 4, 6, 3 = 13

>>8053231
Hretmar's temples are the libraries, schools, and laboratories. He doesn't seem to like altars, chanting, sacrifices, or any of that type of thing.

He doesn't just appear to people. You have to seek him, to want to know him, to have the best chance of contacting him.

>>8053233
So, would one potentially except a frost giantesses as a member

Get this shit moving.

>>8053016
Shirley.

rolled 4, 3, 6 = 13

>>8053265
Unlikely. There are non-human guild members, but Frost Giants are not often seen as the type to work well with humans.

On the topic of walls, I find myself wondering if we could just raise a massive ice wall when winter comes, then use our magics to maintain it and keep it from melting throughout the summer months.

Perhaps I'm just being silly. Frankly, I don't think we really need a wall at all. No one's going to attack us, and it'll stop us from pulling our much-used "run off into the forest" bit when visitors arrive.

Looks like the archive is back up, so everyone should check that for what happened last time.

>>8053270

Agreed. Multi-month time skip to end of season. Will stop if significant events occur. Also remove that clothing/fashion idea from the queue. The villagers don't give a shit about things that don't directly help them. and we got bigger concerns than some stupid fashions...

>>8053331
Of course, making some warmer clothing probably SHOULD stay/go on the list.

>>8053328

Personally, I think that a palisade is fine. It wouldn't be THAT out of place for a town to want to increase its security. The problem is that if we go for a bigger stone wall. We start to look quite abnormal for a small town. And abnormal means hard questions that we don't want to have to answer...

>>8053331
But I wanna play dress up!
.....
Can we at least make ourselves some new clothes?

rolled 3, 1, 4 = 8

>>8053331
>Writing Timeskip

>>8053346
we are immune to cold, and the villagers likely have that under control. after all, they live here.

>>8053331

Second this. Let the villagers tend their crops.

>>8053427
And now they have better, warmer houses.

rolled 5, 3, 2 = 10

It's been two and a half months. Winter is upon you.

Buildings constructed: 1 Stone Hall, 11 Standard Houses, 1 Bathouse (Warm Section), 1 Stone Library, 1 Schoolhouse, 1 Methane Collector, 1 Methane Furnace, 1 Distillery, 1 Palisade (Around town proper)

Buildings destroyed: 34 Huts

Everything has been going according to your plans. In your free time you are learning the language of your race, practicing writing the strange letters and intoning the unfamiliar sounds. You feel like you should know it, but it's all quite new to you.

In the magic department, you've focused on earth-shaping and attempting to look 'through' the ice, using it as a medium for scrying. You had your first breakthrough about a week ago, looking into a thin sheet of ice and seeing a lake you don't recognize, somewhere in the forest. So far, you haven't been able to exercise any control over that power, but it's exciting nonetheless. As for earth, you have enough will to raise an entire house from the ground, if you're willing to accept the necessity of sleep right after.

rolled 4, 5, 6 = 15

>>8053667
The blacksmiths are working constantly, turning the bog iron and the small deposits you've managed to dig up into pipes and tools. Their skill is increasing slowly, and you're satisfied with their progress. A free-standing library has been built, filled with the books you had on hand and a sizable load from Fain, all dedicated, at your request, to Hretmar. The runes inscribed on the door-plate allow him to see within, and to read without straining. He appreciates it greatly.

The distillery, with the assistance of your magic, is producing small quantities of alcohol, some of which is sold in the next town for a little bit of gold. There has been talk of opening a tavern here, but the women protest against anything that will keep their husbands away for still longer. The men desire a place to 'do man things', as Mal put it. The foundation is laid, in any case.

Methane harvested from the cesspit is feeding a small furnace adjacent to the bathouse, which provides some degree of warmth even in this weather. Hretmar has been keeping the storms at bay, but the cold still seeps in, nonetheless. You're quite comfortable, but the villagers are not as resistant as you. Most are now clothed in some degree of fur, thanks to your gems removing the need to trade them, so they can stand plenty.

People are starting to inquire about your little town. No less than three merchants have visited within the last two months, each time forcing you to hastily clamber into the forest while erasing your tracks with magic. The snow hides your footprints well, but it would be difficult to explain things if you missed one. Word has gotten around, and there are people from less fortunate areas looking to emigrate. Something needs to be done, but you aren't yet sure what.

>>8053677
>There has been talk of opening a tavern here, but the women protest against anything that will keep their husbands away for still longer.

Then go to the tavern with them, duh. Do we have to play marriage councilor too?

rolled 4, 1, 2 = 7

>>8053832
>The men desire a place to 'do man things', as Mal put it.

No, you don't. And no one expects you to, thankfully.

>>8053856
Well good because quite frankly we have enough on our hands.

Now as for the immigrants and our need to not raise a ruckus, could we entreat Hretmar to shrink us? We might still maintain our blue coloration, but we'd probably be more accepted if we're not fourteen feet tall. Though that WOULD mean we'd loose our massive strength and endurance. Hmmm, decisions decisions...

>>8053677
immigrants should be selected based on skill and tools.

In other words, you must petition the mayor for residency within the palisade. In order to be eligible you must have a trade skill (artisan, cook, smith, farmer, whatever) and you must have the tools of your trade with you.

Non-skilled immigrants should be allowed to build makeshift huts and ramshackle shantytowns outside the palisades. They should be left mostly to their own devices.

Make sure the palisade gates are locked at night, and it's time to create a professional, full-time police force.

>>8053856

Maybe we should hold off on the tavern. An inn, though?

rolled 3, 2, 5 = 10

>>8053889
He has never shrunk anyone before, only temporarily made them even more giant. Like you, he would have to practice before attempting it for real, or risk problems like having you maintain the same weight despite being human-size, or shrinking even farther than you want, or something like that.

>>8053889
Unless we can shapeshift into something which appears fully human, I'd rather not risk the loss of strength and durability which our giant form affords us. Shrinking down and still appearing inhuman would make us most uncomfortably vulnerable.

Besides, why would Hretmar be the one responsible for shrinking us? We can learn the magic and do it our own damn self. The god is not a crutch.

>>8053910

This is a good idea. We won't let people in whom we don't have an obvious use for.

The closeness, maybe, will make us like America - the poor dream of coming in!

>>8053677
Now that we have a palisade ( and I assume a gate or something for the road)

Would it not be possible for a small guard to be posted there during the day and essentially hold up the visitors to give us time to hide?

For example...

Guard: Oh you want to visit our fair town? Great, just give us a few minutes to open this gate...It takes a while to undo this bolt by myself...

Or something of that nature...just an extra 30-50 seconds would be very valuable for us to hide.

rolled 4, 3, 5 = 12

>>8053913
The elders like the idea, but inns are most frequently used to house travelers, which would make this a case of thinking ahead.

>>8053935
He will grant you a favor. He's a god, his power is far above your own, and this sort of thing would mean next to nothing to him. The prospect of learning a new spell is exciting to him as well, given his love of knowledge. The thought of expanding his skillbase hadn't crossed his mind in a long while.

>>8053910
>>8053958
Sounds a bit snobbish to me. Rather than let them in only if they have a skill (most will be farmers by trade anyway, much like the people here), we should let in those who are open minded enough to accept us. The mage (can't remember his name) can cause a short term memory loos for those who can't accept us and can probably tell who would betray us and who wouldn't.

>>8053934

Maybe we shouldn't risk it. In any case our size and strength is itself an important asset to us and the village.

We can do a bit of hiding, it won't hurt - or maybe, in fact, we can erect a wooden structure, marked as a granary but in fact meant as a hiding place!

rolled 5, 2, 2 = 9

>>8053994
Jerith. And yes, he can do that, though he is reluctant to go fishing around in other people's brains all the time. Not like he has a choice, though.

>>8053910

I don't agree w/ making non-skilled immigrants a seperate part of the town. We will need raw manpower eventually after all and alienating people is not a smart way to go.... Maybe we could have them be outside for a while until they prove they want to be here or something...

>>8053913
I like the inn idea...With the increase in merchants and stuff we may want them to stay in a central place so they don't wander off and accidentally find us. Would also slightly take care of the entertainment of the town. People like to take a break every now and then...

>>8053994

Maybe we can ask Jerith and see if he can do that?

>>8050657
Why must you stupid guys constantly spam and attack www . anon
talk . com for? Please stop. We don't want any chanturds there.

>>8054058

Maybe the inn can be set slightly apart. Like, out of sight of an escape route or something we use.

But the empty granary idea is good, I think. We can hide in the town instead of scrambling away all the time.

>>8053990
Well, if he wants to learn a new trick, far be it from us to stand in his way. But we should still learn how to do it ourselves; I'm not fond of dependencies.

>>8053994 >>8053958 >>8053910
We don't need to be selective. Unless we have hundreds of people clamoring to get into our town, anyway. Even the most unskilled peasant can perform labor, of which we have plenty, and learn skills as they go. Remember, our villagers started out mostly unskilled and miserable; that can be fixed with time.

People reporting our existence is a concern, I'll admit. The memory charm bit might work out for that, depending upon how flexible and detectable it is.

>>8053677
You mention erasing our tracks with magic; would it be possible to get some sort of long-term spell to do this automatically developed? It'd be nice not to have to worry about that sort of thing, and a good skill in general. Being sneakier is never a bad thing.

>>8054045

I agree that we should not force jerith to use that skill wantonly. We would of course question the immigrants with much more benign methods and reserve his power in only the most dire cases. Cases where the town would immensely benefit from the skills of the person but we are not sure of loyalties.

Also, let the twins/council handle the subtle questioning of the immigrants. They know what they're doing...

>>8054087
Because you suck, that's why.

>>8054045
Excellent.

>>8054058
I suppose an inn would be nice, but with inns come adventurers and other short-term visitors and having to raun and hide every other night because someone new is in town doesn't sound very appealing to me.

We may have to leave sometime soon and seek and audience with the Lord to get a pardon and title, so we can expose ourselves without fear. Or at least with less fear.

>>8054136

voting yes on the automatic track erasing magic idea...would be much more helpful than ice scrying as of now...

for those who disagree with my shantytown idea in >>8053910

keep this in mind:
We built ourselves a wall. If we allow immigrants in, this town will eventually grow larger than the wall and we will have to expand beyond the wall's borders. So, we're going to wind up separating people no matter what.

Also, it wont alienate the immigrants. I wouldn't immigrate to germany and expect to be living in a mansion working as a bank executive within a week.
Unless I was already a bank executive and was following work there. Which is what the skilled tradesmen would be doing.

As long as we stick to an immigration policy that is FAIR (i.e. if you haz skillz you git in), then people will always have the chance to chase their dreams and find a little slice of heaven in our fair township

>>8054102
We could could make a short tunnel from let's say an empty granary (with hidden entrance) to the forest.

rolled 5, 4, 3 = 12

>>8054136
It might be possible to cast a charm on your feet that would cause you to leave no tracks at all. Added to list.

>>8054145
Noted.

>>8054151
>We may have to leave sometime soon and seek and audience with the Lord to get a pardon and title, so we can expose ourselves without fear. Or at least with less fear.

I agree. It seems like we are unable to stay hidden much longer and a title, maybe even a deed to our village and the land surrounding the town, seems like our best option.
The only problem is getting to our King. Maybe Hretmar could help us in that regard.

>>8054151

The problem is, getting a pardon from the local lords might not save us from being hunted by adventurers... that is a risk, definitely.

Well, never mind - let's see some of the applicants for membership first? Should we maybe send Bem to go lead some of those who want to join us to the village?

>>8054196
Pretty much all of them WILL have skills, at least as farmers, you don't survive in medieval setting without skills. I don't think people would migrate in the middle of winter, and in spring we will need farmers.

rolled 3, 3, 6 = 12

>>8054224
He can show you good paths and shield you from divination. He has been doing the latter recently, actually. This village has become kind of like an ant farm for him (minus the temptation to shake things up). He enjoys watching your progress.

>>8053677

Damn this is a tough problem. While the immigrants are "integrating" we would have to stay out of their sight. How can we help the village and stay out of the sight of the new people?????

>>8054151
yeah, would be nice. couldn't we just say that we were polymorphed into this form while under a truth spell?

>>8054271

Heh. We are Hretmar's version of simcity

>>8054271
best. god. ever.

>>8054198

That's a very good idea. And so is the track-erasing idea.

What other buildings were we going to make though? Maybe we can tailor immigrant requirements to those?

>>8054271
If he's shielding us from divination... can he tell if anything pings off his shield? Has anything?

>>8054302
>>8054299

What luck to get him as a god! We should build a nice library and buy books to please him. Ask if he's got any preferences.

>>8054248
you now realize that my term "trade skills" was meant to be a thinly veiled open door policy (for now), that affords us the flexibility to define as we see fit as the needs of our town change.

in other words, if we need farmers, then farming is a trade skill. If we're over populated or have too many farmers, then it is no longer a trade skill.
Running a town requires tough decisions that may screw a few over so that the whole will survive, but it's a precaution we have to take.

Unless we don't care about anything long term. If that's the case, lets just let everyone that shows up do as they wish. What could possibly go wrong, am I right?

>>8054271
Well, that would be nice, but then we face the problem of the Capitol; we'll need to converse with people sometime to gain an audience and to be let into the city. It might be a good idea to take one of the twins with us, since they've been in the army and might have some contacts who could help us.

Come to think of it, they're smart guys, why not ask them if THEY have any ideas on how to handle the immigrants?

>>8054328

see

>>8053677

rolled 4, 2, 3 = 9

>>8054311
So far, no. If there have been any more searches for you, they have been too subtle for him to detect.

>>8054328
He likes history. He's been around for a long, long time, but he can't keep track of everything at once. He's missed a lot.

>>8054349

Asking the elders/twins is a good idea. Also wondering what is it that we have that is good enough to get us pardoned from the king?? If we offer him the entire bag of gems and offer to fix his tower that we broke would that be enough?? DM subproc, and anon please speculate!

>>8054333

Hearing you. That's why maybe we should optimise who we need according to what we're building/working on!

>>8054349
If we manage to get shrinking to work, we might be able to go to the capitol without getting immediately shot, and then use our wealth to buy ourselves a position as a minor noble/someone not to be killed out of hand. It was implied that such might be possible previously.

rolled 1, 1, 1 = 3

>>8054349
The twins favor a military-style recruitment program. Those that are selected to enter the town itself would be subjected to a sort of indoctrination, disguised as a short 'study' whereby they learn the laws, customs, traditions and such. At the end of it, they would meet the patron of the town, a chained spirit of the North that one of the elders captured and bound to serve the general welfare of the people decades ago. Any problems would be addressed by Jerith's brain massage.

>>8054415

Would this style of immigration control be construed as "strange" with regard to common town immigration practices? If so, is it so bad it will be commented upon?

If I was a king, and a frost giant walked up asking for a pardon while my country was at war, I would make his/her pardon dependant on military service.

A frost giant would be a huge asset on the battlefield, and leaving her to run some backwater town in some ignored corner of my kingdom would be an almost criminal mis-use of military resources.
Just saying, it's what I would be thinking in the king's shoes.


Or I would just have her killed on the spot as that's a lot of potentially bad days to have sitting around in my back yard.

Something(s) to add to the list of things to do:
Poor more resources into the smithy.
Begin having them practice forging armor/weapons.

These are requisites of the goal:
Get a DaemonSteel Sword and armor

Which in Turn is part of the goal:
Get the fuck to the Wall of Knowledge and make it back in one piece.

Also, if we can learn JUST ENOUGH fire magic to set a sword-blade aflame we'll bry be that much closer.

>>8054415

Hmmm...

Well the indoctrination could work, though maybe we could make it a bit more benign - more of a 'get to know our socialist worker's paradise!' thing than a military thing.

We shouldn't rely wholly on Jerith to erase their memory; and if they walk away with word of some strange cultish indoctrination from the village...

>>8054468
better yet, set it afrost.

>>8054415
But I thought Lark was too weak to summon a spirit? Wouldn't it be better for US to pose as the patron spirit, since that's what we are?

>>8054497

And we could have hilarious sequences where we babble and speak in Frost Giant tongue while the elders pretend to interpret the words of the Village Spirit, eh?

rolled 3, 1, 2 = 6

>>8054450
The towns vary widely in their practices. It would be seen as unusual, but those aware of it would probably assume it was justified paranoia, given the war, Demon attacks, roaming Frost Giants, and whatever else has happened recently. Town elders are notoriously suspicious of newcomers, anyway.

>>8054466
A Frost Giant would be of limited use against Forus, considering their propensity for fire magic.

rolled 2, 2, 4 = 8

>>8054497
...That was the plan. Sorry for confusing you.

>>8054526
We could work with the Sapper Corp, what with our abilities in Earth Shaping. We can, with some more practice, probably learn to make walls and bulwarks on the fly.

we really need to obtain a way to shrink down to human size. it has to be easily reversable, however. a magic trinket with an on/off switch would be great, as would be casting "temporary human size" or somesuch. time to research polymorph spells!

>>8054526

Was there any progress on our fire defense armor/magic front?

rolled 2, 5, 4 = 11

>>8054548
Indeed. A skilled mage is always useful, I suppose.

>>8054533

So shall we put it in action? Softening it a little, instead of making it military-style?

>>8054548

Or with the artillery/support unit. Lobbing Ice grenades hundreds of yards into enemy lines should be effective. And our Ice lance may still be effective at range, depending on how much it spreads out as it travels...

>>8054548
That's was one of the main reasons i suggested raising the wall in the first place.

rolled 2, 6, 4 = 12

>>8054567
The Demonskin not being used for smithing clothes was fashioned into giant-size gloves and a shirt. It's a start.

Your cold aura can quench fire, but can so far only weaken fire attacks, not obstruct them. You're working on summoning some solid armor.

>>8054548

To be honest, rammed earth might make a better material than cut stone for walls. It requires no skill, just lots of labour, and it lasts forever.

And the polymorph idea sounds good...

>>8054619

Perhaps we can exercise our stone wall building skills by upgrading the granary/mill to stone...also our fake hiding granary could be made of stone also...

rolled 4, 2, 1 = 7

>>8054586
They're ready when you are. If you approve it, Bem will lead any migrants back here, once all your preparations for stealth and escape (if any) are done.

>>8054659
We could do
>>8054198

>>8054665
Then let us work on those quick-escape plans.

Continue physical training,
PRACTICE SWARDMANSHIP,
PRACTICE SWARDMANSHIP,
PRACTICE SWARDMANSHIP!!!

We might not have a giant sized sword, but eventually we will. Its all well and good to be in peak physical fitness, but without training, its worthless.
Build a Giant-sized wooden sword and take some lessons from the Miliraty guys.

>>8052275

the watt engine was only 1 Hp at the beginning and it was enough to kick start the revolution.
and the revolution was not steam only for the first half at least the majority of the power came from waterwheels

>>8054717
We already have a perfectly good ax. Why switch when we've already put work into our axmanship?

rolled 1, 1, 3 = 5

>>8054717
You already possess a shortsword the length of your forearm. This has been sufficient so far.

>>8054748
>>8054731
OK. Point.

All the same, I think we need as much training as we can get. Brute strength alone is enough against teeny-tiny foes. If we're going to stand any chance against anything our size, we need more than mother-wit on our side.

Swordsmanship or axemanship, whichever. We need to become skilled at a weapon while the town advances.

>>8054526
>A Frost Giant would be of limited use against Forus, considering their propensity for fire magic.

If ice is weak against fire, wouldn't that work other way around? I.E. ice spells being very effective against fire magic users?

>>8054665

Quick escape: a small opening in the wall on the north or west side. Since visitors will come from the south, we'll disappear from there.

rolled 2, 5, 2 = 9

>>8054830
Weapon practice added to list.

>>8054857
It is easier to melt than to freeze. You can work around a frostbitten arm easier than one that is on fire. Besides that, you're naturally weak to flame.

>>8054857

Unless it's magic-wheel style, where water does well against fire, but not ice.

>>8054892
>You can work around a frostbitten arm easier than one that is on fire.

Well actually frostbite usually as bad, if not worse that heavy burns.

>>8054880
I liked the "secret escape tunnel" concept, but we're fourteen feet tall. Any escape plan we have can't be that secret.

>>8054924
It must be high enough for us to crawl through, and we can make with our geomancy powers.

rolled 4, 2, 1 = 7

>>8054922
Fire spreads quickly and incapacitates due to the 'OH GOD I'M ON FIRE' reflex. There is no ice-sphere counterpart to napalm. That you've discovered, anyway.

>>8054971
Maybe we can try something with dry ice...

rolled 1, 6, 2 = 9

>>8054981
You can make dry ice grenades but it takes a hilarious amount of power.

Here's the current list, simply because:

Auto-generate defense tasks like archery training
Educate the villagers so that the knowledge is self sustainable
Use earth magic to detect shallow deposits in forest, dig them up with ice
Build up the town to take advantage of the natural resources such as explosion trees and mining
Use Printing Press
Expand Bath-House
Build Laboratory
Work on reducing our weakness to fire, be it through magic or armor.
Harness methane gas
Learn more magic, ice-scrying
Continue to produce alcohol
Continue to learn Frost Giant language
Develop track-erasing charm
Have twins and elders question new migrants
Fake granary hiding place with escape tunnel
Secret opening along North side of palisade
Expand forge, have blacksmiths practice making weapons and armor
Goal: Magma Steel armor and weapons, fireproof clothing
Weapon practice

>>8054971
Frost burn can be almost just as painful as fire. If you could be able to summon cold air and powerful squall you would able to kill armies if they are dressed for warm climate.

>>8054971
> There is no ice-sphere counterpart to napalm. That you've discovered, anyway.

Ice that keeps icing? We just need to drop an ice grenade's temperature low enough. If we can even get a golf ball of anything down to 0°K, shattering it and increasing its surface area will sap alot of heat from an area. Anywhere even a fleck lands would start frosting over.

>>8055010
>Ice that keeps icing

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

We need Ice Nine.

>>8054989

Use earth magic to detect shallow deposits in forest, dig them up with ice

-Move to low-priority

Use Printing Press

-Move to low priority

Expand Bath-House

Is this done now?

Harness methane gas

I think we've done the basics of this, we may be able to change it to expand methane gas capture and put it on low prior.

Learn more magic, ice-scrying

-Low priority

whats the flow rate of the stream running throught the town failing that what is the average depth, average widith and average flow speed.
how much of a slope is the town land/surrounding land/stream on.
and for the bellows in the forge we can put a cam and lever arrangement on the end of a shaft running from a waterwheel and hook it to the bellows

rolled 4, 2, 1 = 7

>>8055008
Alright. Ice is powerful. Cold is powerful. Both are devastating when used against normal humans. Fire mages, with their command of heat, are less vulnerable. Simple as that.

>>8055010
>>8055018
Added to list.

>>8055045
No, no, do not actually attempt to create Ice Nine, dear god did you not read the book? If even a single molecule of that finds its way into a river or the ocean we're all doomed. Doomed do you hear me!

But if we can find something like it that doesn't have such a high risk of ending the world, I say we go for it.

>>8055032

To clarify the last point. I meant that we should put ice-scrying on low priority. Not magic in general.

>>8055032
I consider more magic, including scrying, a rather high priority. There will be a lot of snow here soon, and that'll make scrying incredibly useful if we can get it usable reliably. Eventually we start casting spells through it, and things get really fun.

rolled 4, 2, 2 = 8

>>8055032
The list isn't in any particular priority, but noted. The Bathouse still lacks a hot section.

>>8055043
The stream follows a gradual downward slope, barely noticeable. It is about two feet deep at the most, averaging about ten inches. It's as wide as a house. Flow speed is relatively low.

Auto-bellows added to list.

>>8055081
Actual Ice-Nine would qualify as an apocalyptic spell. I don't think you're in any danger of learning it.

>>8055115
>The Bathhouse still lacks a hot section.

>>8053667
Says here we have a hot/warm bathhouse section.

As far as learning something a bit more advanced with our ice magic, would it be possible to learn how to either do some weather manipulation, or learn how to gather and freeze large amounts of water in the atmosphere to rain down icey comets of doom?

>>8055138
>or learn how to gather and freeze large amounts of water in the atmosphere to rain down icey comets of doom?

I like you.

>>8055107

It may be a decent spell up here but if we get sent down to the war it wouldn't be that useful. I guess it's usefulness depends on our chances of going to war vs. staying here.

rolled 4, 5, 5 = 14

>>8055136
Its design is based on the Roman style, which incorporates cold, warm, and hot sections. The first two are complete.

>>8055138
That's a fairly simple concept, but to make it truly effective would require a lot of energy. Added.

>>8055166
We're not going to war in the immediate future. Hell, I don't want to go to war at all.

Is it just me or are we autosaging?

>>8055115
>Actual Ice-Nine would qualify as an apocalyptic spell. I don't think you're in any danger of learning it.

Not yet, I hope.

>>8055138
>>8055147
The shower of extremely sharp ice-needles would also be cool.

>>8055115

10 inch avrage and as wide as a house? can i assume that to be 20 foot wide and the flow rate at 2 foot/s. as a side note a stream 20 foot wide and 10 inches deep would point to a shallow layer of topsoil with either a clay or rocky soil base, this is not such a good thing for farming

>>8055138

Or even just raising a freezing gale in the faces of our enemies, that would be effective enough!

>>8055174
Actually... how about this...

Cold Lightsaber.

Take all the heat-sapping we're doing to a large area, and constrain/condense that into a sword-sized bar emanating from our hand. It'd be immaterial, so you can't block it, and if the temperature is low enough, we could flash-freeze whatever we "slash".

You could freeze someone in the heart or throat.

rolled 5, 4, 5 = 14

>>8055179
We are.

>>8055206
I don't know much about that subject. If anything doesn't make sense for some reason, I'll have to alter it.

We need to start getting immigrants in. Just find some impromptu way to hide, and see how they react to the village...

>>8055223

that sounds really cool actually.

Guess this thread's almost over. Time for new thread and archive.

Archive'd. Voting commences.

rolled 1, 2, 4 = 7

Thank you for the archive.

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>>8055304

>>8055239

it really depends on you definition of stream i would call the numbers you gave me a small river to me a creek is anything under a meter in width and average depth. if you want just give em a value mesured in cumecs(cubic meters/s) 1.0 is small river in dry country up to 3-4 in wet country.