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    259 KB Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:31 No.8120667  

    I'm planning to destroy Arcadia.

    All I need is a storyteller, a warlock Mage for me to play as, one (1) Promethean and a Changeling motley.

    Guess how I'm going to do it.
    >> Fistbeard !!b2cjKcK8kdJ 02/16/10(Tue)15:32 No.8120678
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:33 No.8120686
    Exalted's game ideas?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:34 No.8120696
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:34 No.8120700
    Build a cylon detector?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:34 No.8120703
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    Get some African Fae to do it for you?
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:37 No.8120731
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    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:39 No.8120759
    I'll be your GM. But I'll have you torn to ribbons as soon as you get within spitting distance of Faerie.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:41 No.8120791
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    That's what the Changelings are for.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:42 No.8120819
    No, I think I'll have them survive actually. Any Changeling with half a brain will run for the hills as soon as one of the Gentry arrives.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:47 No.8120866
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    Theoretically, if I destroy Arcadia I destroy the Fae. Changelings fanatic enough to help me do so might not be quite so lily-livered as their more sane counterparts.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:49 No.8120893

    Theoretically, yes, but you won't get anywhere near Arcadia. One of the Changeling books references Mages within the Hedge slowly losing their abilities.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:52 No.8120927
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    What if I don't care?

    My powers are a small tithe to pay for what I aim to achieve. Sure, it will be unpleasant, but the dying screams of the Fae will make it all worthwhile.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:52 No.8120938
    Do the True Fae even die?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:53 No.8120951

    Point being, you'll likely lose whatever magical talents you require before you can destroy Arcadia, however you plan on achieving that. And this is assuming the psychoreactive Hedge doesn't pick up on the Mages' plans and spit torrents of Hobs at him as a defensive measure.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:54 No.8120965

    Sort of. It's a very dicey proposition, but there's solid evidence they CAN permanently kick the bucket. HOW changes from True Fae to True Fae, however. And they often change it at a whim.

    Also yeah, how are you covering that whole "the Hedge rips out your soul, enjoy not using magic anymore" deal?

    Is this using the Goetic Satan thing touhoufag made?
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:56 No.8120988
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    Oh, they will when I'm through with them.

    Come on, guess. You're not even trying.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)15:56 No.8120990
    Seeing as Prometheans are unharmed by the hedge and uneffected by their durance in arcadia, your going to use them as your Fae bashing tank.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:57 No.8121003

    I don't even know what that is.

    And this entire thing is a suicide mission. But the world will be better for it.

    (Theoretically, I could be a Changeling, not a Mage. I just like the idea of a Mastigos better than a whining abuse victim.)
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)15:58 No.8121018

    That's a good idea. I'll hang on to that.

    If they weren't so damn unpalatable I'd try and acquire more of them...
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:00 No.8121041
    The Hedge only can start ripping out your soul after you've spent a minimum of one hour blundering around through them... and even a sleeper can succeed at the navigation rolls to avoid the thorns. A mage would have an easy time.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:02 No.8121064

    Well any mage trained in Life, Death and/or Mind arcanas should be able to stave off disquiet without too much effort.

    I'm not sure of your plans though, considering the True Fae may be the same thing as the Exarchs or at least the original, natural denizens of Arcadia before the Exarchs showed up. Either way you'll need alot of power to stop them.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:05 No.8121097
    I do like the idea of a promethean being the CHOSEN ONE to defeat the fae.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:05 No.8121102
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    Ah, yes, the Exarchs. Depending on the cleverness of my motley (and the selection process will ensure that they are VERY clever), they shouldn't be too much of a problem.

    Of course, what I intend to do could easily unite every single one of them in an army of godlike beings. I'm treading on dangerous ground here--this could very easily go wrong. But if in the end we are defeated, I know exactly what my plans will be. Pic related. I ain't going in no kennel.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:11 No.8121188
    Giant iron prometheans?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:12 No.8121205

    I think it's starting to come together. You're going to mind fuck a bunch of True Fae so you can get into Arcadia. You're going to use the changeling motley to make your way past the Exarchs and plan to use the Promethean as a sacrifice of some sort that will unleash a power crumbling Arcadia and rebuilding the link between the mortal and Supernal realms, bypassing the Abyss.

    There's alot of variables there and I hope you can pull it off.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)16:14 No.8121241
    power-hungry mages need a reason to start slaughtering each other?

    could have fooled me, anon
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:15 No.8121255
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    Getting warmer.

    But the true goal here is not lofty. Reconnecting sundered worlds is all very well and good. But in the end, all that matters is that those Fae bastards die a horrible slow agonizing death.

    I'm thinking of making the Mage's wife a Changeling who was eaten/killed/driven permanently insane by her captor. Too tropic?
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)16:21 No.8121348
    fae being massacred sounds good to me, anon

    you'd burn them in furnaces, yeah?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:22 No.8121361
    Force-feed the Hedge to Arcadia?

    Drop the entire U.S. and Russian nuclear armament in and set them off?

    Expose Arcadia to the sun?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:22 No.8121367

    Since your goal is the elimination of True Fae, I'm still foggy on what the Promethean could be for besides boundless muscle... unless you plan on sending it into Torment on purpose. Clearly you mean to mind control the True Fae using the motley as perhaps support in this.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:23 No.8121379

    No no and no. But you get points for trying.

    And a cookie.

    Made of thorns.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)16:25 No.8121415
    not a fan of the fae holocaust, anon?

    how about pulling them apart like toys?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:26 No.8121421
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    Beat the dm into submission, then demand the actions happen, preferably at gun point?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:28 No.8121459

    >You're going to mind fuck a bunch of True Fae so you can get into Arcadia.


    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:28 No.8121462
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    Mind controlling the True Fae? You must be joking. I doubt that would work. I would only try that in an emergency.

    And you're overlooking a key factor here. Not that I blame you. I'm surprised I came up with this honestly. I don't even know if it will work.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:29 No.8121476
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    I smell a troll.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:29 No.8121481
    Use the Promethean to make Arcadia a wasteland somehow?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:31 No.8121509

    The fact that it's specifically a Promethean makes me suspicious so I went and looked in Equinox Roads. The Gentry haven't made a contract with the Divine Fire and therefore tend to ignore them completely, I bet that has something to do with something.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:34 No.8121542
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    I don't play Geist.


    Now we're getting somewhere. Nowhere in the rules does it cover what would happen if a Promethean were brought into Arcadia. Nowhere does it say they would be in any way affected by the Hedge--and they don't even have souls to begin with.

    Everything in Arcadia comes from the boundless, beautiful natural force of the place. Even the insane True Fae. So what would happen if I brought a creature as unnatural as a Promethean into the heart of the Faewild? Possibly to the Watchtower itself?

    Tell me, Anonymous, what you think of my plan.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)16:34 No.8121547
    a prommie would just walk around smashing the fae, yeah?

    sounds like cheating to me
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:35 No.8121565

    I hadn't thought of that. As much research as I've done with Promethean; the phenomena of these homonculi still puzzles me. Of course I know far less about Mages. Your libraries aren't as easy to get into as those of Hunters and the Ordo Dracul.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:35 No.8121566
    Fetch-spawn destroy can works of glamour they touch.

    1) Grab a fetch spawn
    2) Shove in burlap sack
    3) Have promethean carry into Arcadia
    4) Throw though gate
    6) PROFIT
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:37 No.8121584

    Copied from Equinox Road.

    Prometheans do not cause the Wasteland effect in
    the Hedge. This might initially be a cause for celebration
    from the Created, but the reason for this “mercy” is
    only likely to make them feel more isolated than ever.
    The Hedge has no agreements with the Divine
    Fire. The Divine Fire has will and agenda, but no
    Contract has ever been struck between it and the Fae.
    As such, the Hedge doesn’t know quite what to do
    with Prometheans. Creatures born purely of Arcadia
    or of the Hedge ignore Prometheans (meaning that
    hobgoblins and the Gentry don’t suffer Disquiet), and
    while the Divine Fire scorches the land back on Earth,
    the Hedge just doesn’t acknowledge it.

    So, even if you somehow get there, jack squat happens. Game over.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:37 No.8121588
    >Tell me, Anonymous, what you think of my plan.

    I think the Gentry would recognise something as abominable as a Promethean and tear it to shreds. Or otherwise, send hordes of their Hobgoblin and Changeling servents to do the job for it.

    I imagine all you'd do is give them an entertaining distraction from their regular activities.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:37 No.8121593
    Stop shitting up every WoD thread you find.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:38 No.8121611
    Aw. It was a clever idea, OP.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:39 No.8121630

    It's lofty, insane and possibly catastrophic.

    It sounds like something I would do.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)16:42 No.8121666
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    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)16:44 No.8121696
    sorry, anon

    was just interested in these nutty superfriends storming arcadia

    I'll stop bothering you now
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    That's a problem.


    So how many storytellers would allow this to pass? If I gathered the motley, grabbed a Created, and snuck my sneaky Snidely Whiplash way past all the nasty Fae all the way to the Watchtower or whatever center of Arcadia exists, would you folk (as ST) cite me some expansion-book rule that sounds like a cheap cop-out, or allow a massive war to start as Fae gather arms and Changelings flock to my side?

    In short, would /tg/ allow me a chance to succeed?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:54 No.8121848
    Find a way to link the Abyss and Arcadia together. That might do something. Of course, just researching how to even attempt such a thing is likely to attract attention you don't want. At all.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:54 No.8121857
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    You have no idea what you're getting into.

    To your credit, you're recruiting an impressive team; werewolves, prometheans, hunters; you're going for the best.

    An unlikely band of brothers ... tough, but are they loyal? If you can't gain their trust, they're all as good as dead.

    Will you be able to use your Changeling IFF to penetrate the hedge relay - from which no-one's ever returned? Will you be able to destroy Arcadia?

    This is a suicide mission, after all.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:56 No.8121894
    >In short, would /tg/ allow me a chance to succeed?

    No. Frankly, because I dislike the idea of some Mage bringing down Arcadia by dragging a Frankenstien-shaped smart bomb and throwing him at the gates of Faerie. I dislike the idea of any one character being able to alter the game world so much, when the theme of WoD is, in my mind, at least supposed to be about how individuals cannot change things to such a huge degree.

    Frankly I'd disallow it because I dislike Mages.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)16:57 No.8121899

    First of all, getting to Arcadia borders on impossible. You NEED a guide, and they'll willingly stab you in the spine once you get there if they're a Hob, or they're inevitably bugfuck insane and powerful if they're a Changeling.

    Second off, if the True Fae hate you, ARCADIA ITSELF HATES YOU. The landscape is MADE OF TRUE FAE. You think I'm joking, every aspect of Arcadia is the Wyrd is the True Fae is Arcadia. Even if Prometheans could make a Wasteland in Arcadia, you'd have the entire population of Murdertown on you in minutes ready to tear your entire body a new asshole. Also, the Watchtower may not be actually IN Fae Arcadia. It could be something else entirely. And if it IS part of Fae Arcadia, who's to say it's the center? Or even accessible?

    If, by some miracle of miracles, you somehow navigate to and through Arcadia with a Promethean and a bunch of Changelings without getting horrifically killed by a landscape designed to kill the rivals of the True Fae that shaped it, then you'll still have to deal with the fact that it's an infinite realm. Like, literally infinite. Every True Fae is by strict definition omnipotent unless it doesn't want to be. They bind themselves in laws and contracts to give themselves form and weakness so their existence has meaning beyond "Bang I shot you" "No you didn't!"

    So if Arcadia was actually legitimately threatening, you would have an infinite horde of omnipotent cosmic horrors trying to kill you all at once.

    Game over.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)17:07 No.8122073
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    Okay, then how would you go about destroying the Fae?

    And since it seems that I've failed, general epic/ingenious plans thread.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:10 No.8122117
    Goddammit, I read it in his voice too.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:11 No.8122132

    You don't.

    It's like trying to kill the color yellow, or trying to walk your way out of a black hole, or curing the black plague with homeopathy. Shit doesn't work, can't work, will never work, and can never happen.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:11 No.8122134

    Shepard could just sex the Fae to death
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:12 No.8122150
    >Every True Fae is by strict definition omnipotent unless it doesn't want to be.

    Nope. Read Equinox Road, newfag.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:13 No.8122171
    All of them?

    Hard, but doable. Just find a way to remove all conflict from their lives. Maybe with a memetic virus that captivates them without allowing them to get into conflict themselves, like a neverending play that they are all invited to watch.
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    This thread is now airlock.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)17:13 No.8122190
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    New question. Would it be unethical of me to try this plan on a ST who has not read Equinox Road?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:14 No.8122200
    Yes, it would.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)17:15 No.8122224
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    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:16 No.8122236

    If a Storyteller arbitrates that a Supernal Realm and all that entails (Exarchs, Seers, Mages, not to mention the infinite hordes of True Fae and Hobs) doesn't kill you horrifically when you try this I'd say it's a fair shake to say he doesn't quite grasp World of Darkness.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:17 No.8122249
    Doesn't WoD have, like, a million different apocalypse scenarios laid out for just this sort of juncture?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:18 No.8122257
    Nope. Run with it!

    Never mind actually killing them, just the idea of putting a faint glimmer of worry or doubt into the smug "omnipotent" fuckers gives me the chills.

    Would be an epic campaign, impossible or not.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:18 No.8122266

    That was mostly oWoD. Come on down to Gehenna Joe's, we got 5 different Apocalypse sourcebooks, each with 5 different scenarios and a chapter about making your own!
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)17:18 No.8122269

    I welcome the challenge.

    Unfortunately I'm going to need more Prometheans.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:20 No.8122295

    Simple. Square the Circle.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:21 No.8122315

    Let me put it to you this way.

    You somehow get past St. Peter and the Pearly Gates unseen with a truck full of evil nukes on loan from Satan, even though by all rights you should have been stopped the moment you got in the place and murdered. You take them up to the seat of God's throne and proceed to take a dump on His sandals.

    You honestly think you're not going to have every molecule in your body turned into explosions before you can press a button?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:22 No.8122331
    Then obviously, he needs the button to press itself.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:23 No.8122334
    I like your thinking OP, I think the dissonance between Created and Arcadia might be enough of a nick to work with in order to break the setting. The approach you posed doesn't cut it though. We need to think bigger.

    Things that probably won't work:
    The Prommie Idea (mk I)
    Atomic bombs
    A Throng of Created weilding Iron knuckles.

    Gentlemen... What do we know of Quashmil?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:23 No.8122339
    If God could do that sort of thing he probably would have not needed Michael and company to take on Satan.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:24 No.8122361

    Funny answer: He's a lazy bastard. Even lazy bastards will protect themselves.

    Answer using your answer: The moment The Big G is in trouble you know Michael is going to find your ass and kill you so hard even the cosmic personification of Death will go "DAMN"

    That's on the level of what would happen if you legitimately threatened Arcadia. And this plan is only a "maybe" on that scale.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:25 No.8122374
    As long as Op didn't make a contract with the fae the explosives would not hurt
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:27 No.8122412
    unless there's iron shrapnel involved
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:28 No.8122430
    True fae can't even touch iron
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:31 No.8122481
    >without taking aggravated damage.
    finished that for you.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:34 No.8122523

    COLD iron. Normal iron bypasses Fae defenses. Cold Iron does that AND fucks the couches of True Fae.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:35 No.8122551

    I should explain. It's an old alchemy term for the proper confluence of reality needed to form the philosopher's stone.

    Every realm has a door leading to it from every other realm. They are seperated only by a thin veil of ephemeral space. But what if you widen these doorways? What if you widen them to the point that the realm itself is a doorway? If all realms are doors to other realms, then all realms are the same realm... a space of infinite chaos and purest energy. All life and death would be destroyed and all creation would cease. Beyond the mortal world would be nothing but deepest, formless intensity.

    So the conclusion would be either I end all alternate realities or I end existence entirely. Either way, I win.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)17:36 No.8122565
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    All this talk of bombs. You know what I think?

    I think I need a Nuclear Promethean.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:36 No.8122578
    GENTREMENS, I propose we create a promethean construct of pure cold iron, teach it centimanus, also give it cold iron pandoran minions, and sent it into Arcadia.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:37 No.8122586
    lolno. That's the sort of thing Fae do. It doesn't hurt them.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:38 No.8122606

    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:39 No.8122631

    Now THAT would be funny to watch.

    Though a retarded ST would probably allow a cold iron metalflesh Changeling first. It'd be the world's funniest Durance.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:40 No.8122643
    Mages can't create prometheans. Nobody can, intentionally. The best mages can do is pandorans.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:41 No.8122655

    Ever read Frankenstein?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:42 No.8122669
    I didn't say mages could.

    Demiurges and mages are different. Demiurges can't shoot lazor mind beams to kill people on the opposite side of the planet.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:43 No.8122671

    Yeah. I have.

    Promethean SPECIFICALLY EXPLAINS that Frankenstein was inspired by the Divine Fire. He had no say in the matter. He was driven by mad inspiration.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:43 No.8122686

    Anyone the Quashmallim imbue the Divine Fire upon can create a Promethean, potentially. It's just easier for other Prometheans to accomplish naturally.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:44 No.8122690
    He wasn't a mage.

    I'm pretty sure mages can't induce demiurgism, either.
    >> Anomynous 02/16/10(Tue)17:44 No.8122697
    rolled =

    There... might be something to this.
    If there was an unfleshed built entirely out of cold iron and brought to life, it still would be cold iron. Of course, that's a lot of cold iron and unfleshed are rare even by prommie srtandard.

    Now, anything the gentry make/are would be unable to harm it. Fire, gates, gods of the fae realm, tissue paper for all the good it'll do. Their thralls/changelings though, could harm it. Hence the problem.

    Do we know if/what transmutations would still work in arcadia?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:45 No.8122704
    what is this Divine Fire bullshit anyway?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:46 No.8122722

    As stated before, the Divine Fire has no presence in Arcadia/the Hedge. So, you can't regain Pyros in any form whatsoever.

    Also you can't Flare back from death since there's no Azoth.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:46 No.8122723
    I was thinking a Construct, not an Unfleshed. Constructs explicitly retain their prior construction, so a construct who is made of solid cold iron (or a gigantic wooden effigy, etc.) will remain so as a Promethean.

    Also, all transmutations work in Arcadia, and Arcadian denizens can barely perceive Prometheans under the best of circumstances.

    >I'm pretty sure mages can't induce demiurgism, either.

    Super cool story, bro. No one said they could.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:46 No.8122736
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:47 No.8122740
    >Do we know if/what transmutations would still work in arcadia?
    It depends on what it's targeting - in general, they wouldn't work (no contract with divine fire) but since Changelings etc were mentioned, I should note that transmutations would effect them like normal.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:47 No.8122753
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:47 No.8122757

    Equinox Road. Where most discussion of Arcadia 'concrete' terms is.
    >> Anomynous 02/16/10(Tue)17:48 No.8122767
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    You forget the transmutation that lets to draw pyros from electricity.

    We build a fucking generator into the unfleshed.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:49 No.8122793
    Why not just bring one along? Like a normal generator that you could get at Home Depot.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:50 No.8122805
    Unfortunately I was asking for you to cite what you stated, not that disquiet and wasteland do nothing in the Hedge.
    >> Anomynous 02/16/10(Tue)17:51 No.8122817
    rolled =

    well, we could, but I just see too many potential problems with fey cutting the extension cord.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:51 No.8122831
    Get a True Fae to make a contract with divine fire for this one prommie

    Tell him it'll be entertaining

    Lulz ensue
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:51 No.8122838

    This also means, however, that Prometheans don’t
    have a good way to regain Pyros in the Hedge. The
    sunlight here isn’t pure sunlight, and no deal exists between
    this light and the Divine Fire. Hence, the Created
    cannot regain Pyros when the sun rises. Storms,
    likewise, provide no benefit, and a Promethean who
    sleeps in “his” element in the Hedge regains no Pyros
    from it. In the Hedge, a Promethean is more alone
    than ever, because now the land around him doesn’t
    recoil. It just refuses to notice him.
    Of course, this can have some benefit. Prometheans
    gain 8-again to any contested roll to hide or
    sneak past a hobgoblin or True Fae (this doesn’t apply
    to changelings, obviously; they are still human enough
    to respond normally to the Divine Fire). Fae creatures
    attack Prometheans last in a fight (if at all).


    Finally, a Promethean in the Hedge loses one of
    his greatest advantages, and worse, he probably has
    no way to know it until it’s too late. Prometheans can
    return from death — once. The Divine Fire flares up
    and returns the Created to the strange semblance of
    the life he possesses. But in the Hedge, some vital
    connection to the Divine Fire is missing. Azoth might
    flare, but it cannot call back the Promethean from the
    brink of death. The area of the Hedge in which it happens
    is scoured with a rain of fire (if you have access to
    Promethean: The Created, you can use the rules for
    Firestorms found there), but the Promethean remains
    dead; however, the Osiran Bestowment Revivification
    works normally.
    >> Anomynous 02/16/10(Tue)17:55 No.8122921
    rolled =

    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:57 No.8122956

    Good luck finding naturally occurring electrical currents.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:58 No.8122977
    That's A-OK with me, fire and electricity are my preferred way to recharge anyway.
    >> Anomynous 02/16/10(Tue)17:58 No.8122982
    rolled =

    >We build a fucking generator into the unfleshed.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:58 No.8122992
    At least we know where Prometheans go during self-imposed isolation. Nothing says they can't just hide in the Hedge for a while instead of risking disquiet, torment and the wasteland effect in the mortal world.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:59 No.8123004

    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:59 No.8123006
    Electrical currents occur naturally in fueled generators.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:59 No.8123009
    Cold iron construct promethean on the refinement of iron sounds like a good plan to me.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)17:59 No.8123011

    If they can ever find an entrance. Or an exit for that matter.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:02 No.8123068
    wouldn't work - not conductive enough.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:03 No.8123093
    Um... guys? Wouldn't divine fire cause cold iron to no longer be cold?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:04 No.8123101
    are you joking or being retarded?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:04 No.8123104
    You won't be able to find them in Arcadia, though.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:04 No.8123108

    As long as they don't use any transmutations, one will come along eventually.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:05 No.8123120
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    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:05 No.8123136
    That's why my cold iron pandoran throngs will bring plenty.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:06 No.8123137
    So basically, we're sending Arnold from T2 to destroy an entire realm?

    Badass, but in the end, I doubt it'll be enough. There's gotta be a LOOPHOLE in the setting rules that can be exploited. Hmm. Need to reread the Prommie books.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:06 No.8123143
    I don't think so. It's tough to be sure, though. No rulebook explicitly states either way.

    It's a valid enough question.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:07 No.8123159
    as long as its not heated by a human hand, we're set.

    ...for that matter Changelings should be able to have Prometheans forge their weapons/armor.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:07 No.8123167
    Well yeah, it won't destroy the realm, just fuck shit up.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:09 No.8123198
    Its just called the Divine Fire. It certainly doesn't burn, or heat. Its like asking whether Refinement of Iron prometheans will rust in the rain.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:11 No.8123230
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    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:16 No.8123305
    Yes, and cold iron isn't any colder than any other iron. The reason there might be a problem is shaping - the very fact that Prometheans can move could be problematic.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:17 No.8123317
    Question: Can a changeling be imbued with Divine Fire, such that they become a demiurge?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:18 No.8123329
    Firestorms occasionally involve fire, but they may involve zombies, mutation, or anything else.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:19 No.8123339
    Supernaturals can OCCASIONALLY become demiurges... if they become profoundly OBSESSED with creating life... AND at no point attempt to use their splat's powers to aid in the creation.

    If they succeed, they get a -5 to use any of their supernatural powers for awhile, the penalty goes away at the rate of 1 per month or so.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:19 No.8123346
    I'd like to say I'd let you succeed OP; I dunno though. The Faewild reacts to mortal dreams and desires to a certain extent, so who knows whether or not one sufficiently crazy xanatos gambit could work. A large enough paradox invoked in the center of the faewild, if able to be channeled through a Promethean might be able to do something. I'd probably just have it make the Promethean human and do something goofy, like make all Changelings shoot Skittles out of their nose whenever they sneeze.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:19 No.8123353
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    No. Only purely mortal people (not even wolf-blooded or Sleepwalker) can be Demiurges.

    Unless you're using the cracked out rules from Saturnine Nights, I think it was. But those are retarded.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:24 No.8123438
    Cold Iron = Pure Iron


    Also lets make this prommie handcrafted to deal some serious damage to those True Fae
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:26 No.8123464
    >AND at no point attempt to use their splat's powers to aid in the creation.

    >If they succeed, they get a -5 to use any of their supernatural powers for awhile, the penalty goes away at the rate of 1 per month or so.
    What? That's gay. Changeling powers are entirely unrelated to Divine Fire. The only way they could possibly interact would be if the changeling himself forged a contract with the divine fire.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)18:28 No.8123490

    Strictly for balancing issues.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:02 No.8124053
    Balancing issues? On an ability that's purely plot device?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:38 No.8124602
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    >this thread

    I am learning everything and nothing!
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:41 No.8124638
    Rite proper cold iron (in so far as fae-slaying is concerned) has to be forged without non-naturally occuring fire. This means you have to find big chunks of meteoric iron and bash them into shape with a hammer. As in, good luck getting a sizable chunk of the stuff, let alone enough to craft a promethean.

    Furthermore, any magic employed spoils the effects, so you can't have a wizard enchant it or anything. Theoretically you could /maybe/ convince an ST that the lack of contracts between pyros and arcadia would let you channel the divine fire through it without killing it's coldness, but that's a long shot.

    A changeling can never create a promethian, no matter how inspired they are, they, like the truefae, are incapable of creating life.

    Finally, strapping a generator to a promie is just going to end badly. The fae may not have any say over Piros or Iron, but they can certainly control any electricity the promie has packing. It may work for the trip up to and including arcadia, but not for the final battle with mr fae.

    Best case scenario? The fae get cocky and underestimate the promie, get their asses handed to them over and over and over again. Promie becomes a hero amungst the changelings and earns his soul through the rescue of countless changelings.

    ... then he gets fae-raped once human.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:41 No.8124645
    >Cold Iron = Pure Iron
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:49 No.8124761
    >Rite proper cold iron (in so far as fae-slaying is concerned) has to be forged without non-naturally occuring fire. This means you have to find big chunks of meteoric iron and bash them into shape with a hammer. As in, good luck getting a sizable chunk of the stuff, let alone enough to craft a promethean.
    It doesn't have to be meteoric. You can just dig it out of the ground.

    >Furthermore, any magic employed spoils the effects, so you can't have a wizard enchant it or anything. Theoretically you could /maybe/ convince an ST that the lack of contracts between pyros and arcadia would let you channel the divine fire through it without killing it's coldness, but that's a long shot.
    This is basically untrue. Magic is what mages do, for one thing. Contracts have nothing to do with magic.
    >A changeling can never create a promethian, no matter how inspired they are, they, like the truefae, are incapable of creating life.
    This is untrue. In fact, it's explicitly stated as untrue in the token-making rules. They're in Rites of Spring, iirc.
    >Finally, strapping a generator to a promie is just going to end badly.
    Not necessarily any more badly than the rest of this.
    >The fae may not have any say over Piros or Iron, but they can certainly control any electricity the promie has packing. It may work for the trip up to and including arcadia, but not for the final battle with mr fae.
    Good enough. However, the "final battle" would not work any differently, because the fae don't perceive divine fire, so what they'd perceive remains fundamentally unchanged: A generator moving around for no reason.
    >Best case scenario? The fae get cocky and underestimate the promie, get their asses handed to them over and over and over again. Promie becomes a hero amungst the changelings and earns his soul through the rescue of countless changelings.
    Yep, pretty much.
    >... then he gets fae-raped once human.
    I don't see why.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)19:57 No.8124896
    The simple thing to do would be to create an army of Pandorans with Cold Iron. Maybe hire a few of those nuclear Promethians to join the hoedown.
    Or ask your GM to let you do research into creating a type of servant that exists outside the natural/supernatural spectrum, like the divine fire does.
    If he lets you create so much as one of them, then you can rack it up with cold iron and let it loose in Paradise for HUEG damage since it exists outside of what they can see, it'd be like a normal person getting hit by the invisible man, who had a Street Sweeper.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:07 No.8125055
    >It doesn't have to be meteoric. You can just dig it out of the ground.

    "Hand-forged iron deserves special mention as the bane of the True Fae. A hand-forged iron tool has been beaten into shape with nothing but muscle power; a hand-forged tool is never heated by the hand of man. Technically speaking, there is almost no such thing as true hand-forged iron, since iron ore must be smelted to produce a metal pure enough to work with... Meteoric iron, as the name suggests, came to earth in the form of meteorites, where the heat of atmospheric entry smelts the iron naturally. Since the metal was never heated by the hands of man, it can be cold-worked into true hand-forged iron." (RoS 86)
    >This is basically untrue. Magic is what mages do, for one thing. Contracts have nothing to do with magic.
    "Hand-forged iron that is improved or forged in
    any way with magic (such as Contracts of Artifice or the Smith’s kith blessing) becomes immediately and permanently treated as cold iron. Cold iron improved or forged with magic loses all its beneficial effects against the supernatural." (RoS 85)

    >This is untrue. In fact, it's explicitly stated as untrue in the token-making rules. They're in Rites of Spring, iirc.
    They can create things resembling life, such as hedgespun automotons, but they can't create life itself. That's why they're all sterile. May b e wrong though. Do you have a page ref?

    >I don't see why.
    because the moment it becomes human, it falls under the classification as "Human" which means that arcadia has contracts with it, which means it gets snagged, which means it gets raped.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:11 No.8125110
    >They can create things resembling life, such as hedgespun automotons, but they can't create life itself. That's why they're all sterile. May b e wrong though. Do you have a page ref?

    Changeling aren't all sterile, IIRC, just the vast majority.

    It's also worth mentioning that the Gentry will have servents, Changelings and Hobgoblins, who will likely be able to see the Prommie even when their masters can't.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)20:11 No.8125114
    might work on the lower class fae

    don't the old and wise members of anything in the wod typically have some pretty strong defenses?

    you're telling me that none of the fae ever made plans for what to do in the case of what you're describing?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:18 No.8125217
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:22 No.8125276
    A promethean needen't fear anything without hax.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)20:28 No.8125365
    the fae have no plan of defence against a nutjob group consisting of a mage, a promethean, a changeling and some things they can't see coming to kill them all with meteoric cold iron?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:30 No.8125390
    HINT: Iron that is heated and then beaten into shape is still cold iron. As long as it hasn't been melted down and then cast into shape like modern metal objects, it's cold iron. Thus most any sword from the medieval days would qualify as cold iron.
    >> herp !!Oeub+IpSSZF 02/16/10(Tue)20:30 No.8125403
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:35 No.8125459
    Okay, so maybe one or two of them, because fae are dicks like that. But generally not so much. Its the silly or cunning ones youd have to look out for. taking down some big dumb ogre or other physically oriented one might be easy enough, but as with most omnipotent beings, your chances of victory are based basically on how well you get the drop on them and how slowly they think.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:36 No.8125480
    Rites of spring, pages 85-87 disagrees.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:38 No.8125516

    No one in this thread is getting laid for the rest of their lives.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:39 No.8125530

    >implying various... thing...

    You know what? I just don't have the energy right now.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)20:39 No.8125539
    how many fae are there in arcadia?

    anon, I'm embarassed for you
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:42 No.8125569
    at the very least? As many as there are concepts in the minds of humanity.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:42 No.8125571
    4chan at large is embarrassed that a shitstain like you is allowed to post.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:42 No.8125581
    In a WoD crossover game I ran, all the Watchtowers blew up.

    Then Arcadia opened up, and everything exploded.

    Somehow, we had a happy ending.

    I am not proud of this campaign.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)20:44 No.8125613
    it hurts my head just to think about it, anon

    is an assault from the front such a great idea?

    I'm trying to be better tonight, anon

    and it's hurting my tiny brain
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:47 No.8125657

    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:48 No.8125672
    >lying that avaturds think
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:48 No.8125678
    They won't help you with that. Not unless they were already meant to anyway. It's out of your hands.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)20:51 No.8125725
    The only way people are gonna stop is if you lose the trip cause there is way to much crap attached to it.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)20:58 No.8125863
    we were having a talk about the plan of attack on the fae, yeah?

    has anything ever marched into arcadia and started kicking their asses in?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:00 No.8125892
    Yes. bands of high level changelings will occasionally march into Arcadia and start kicking ass. They even win sometimes, but always at a terrible cost.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)21:04 No.8125975
    sort of changes my opinion about changelings, anon

    I had thought they were all cowering girly-boys

    how would a promethean and a mage help these changeling warriors?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:10 No.8126086
    You really should do your research, dude. The court of summer (which encompases like, 1/4 of all changelings) is devoted to nothing more than kicking ass and taking names.

    problem is, you have to be high level, like wyrd 7+ to have any hope of surviving an encounter with a truefae in Arcadia. We're talking about enemies who roll 20+ dice on a single attack. Most of the time people only win because the fe want them to win.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:11 No.8126105
    I think the mage is superfluous, actually. But the main benefit to a Promethean is that the Fae can't perceive them, due to not having any agreement with the Divine Fire. The one we're discussing would be made of cold iron, and therefore essentially be empowered rape.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:12 No.8126127
    And some application of electricity or fire can keep the promethean fully charged alll day long. And they can make it so they take only 1 bashing from bullets/swords/claws/etc
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)21:13 No.8126141
    ahroun don't "do research", anon

    so the solution is to trick the fey into wanting to be eradicated?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:14 No.8126162
    Wait, are we destroying the True Fae, or are we just destroying the actors? Because if we're just destroying actors, we're not really doing very much at all. It'd be like shooting up some guy's shadow in an effort to kill him.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:16 No.8126194

    Do you really want to know?

    Do you REALLY want to know?

    In order to tell you, I have to tell you a story that involves Pentex, Caine, a Promethean who beats up a True Fae and turns into a car, a man who can light himself on fire, a group of Solar Exalted, and a person who turned out to be the Scion of Odin.

    It is a story so full of stupid, that I am so ashamed of telling it. I don't care if my players had fun, the story was just way too stupid.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:17 No.8126216
    When fae let themselves get beat it's usually to shed a title or to make their own life more interesting. It doesnt actually get rid of them. You have to hound them down until they run out of titles completely to actually kill a truefae, and none of them are going to be willing to lose their last title unless it's being used as one fuck of a gambit.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:20 No.8126260
    do it, faggot.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)21:24 No.8126331
    >Promethean who turns into a car

    ... wow, anon

    tell us this nutjob story, yeah?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:34 No.8126500
    This went through stupid and now resides solidly in Awesome.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:35 No.8126527
    "If you manage to pull yourself back from the brink of near-death by risking this last title...that'd make an awesome title"
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:38 No.8126590
    With a description like that you have to tell the story.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:38 No.8126597
    You guys are all freaking out if the one Cold-Iron Promethean would be able to do it. Why not just send in, like, ten? A hundred?

    And they'd be carrying cold-iron weapons or whatever. Just, y'know, go for it!
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:39 No.8126607
    Just need 1 cold iron promethean and 1 cold iron pandoran. You can effortlessly mass produce pandorans, if you have a means of controlling them, anyway.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:41 No.8126637
    Problem is is that there are more Arcadian realms than there is iron on earth.
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)21:47 No.8126724
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    Back to the source, gentlemen. How can I instill great panic and fear among the Gentry without recoursing to any plans that might be deemed "silly"? (Like making a promethean out of cold iron. Seriously, what?)

    Current ideas: invite Prometheans into a world they could never have imagined, a place where they will never be hated or feared, a place where their presence will not harm others. A place where they can finally be left alone. Take them through a gateway to Arcadia, and let them enjoy their new paradise. Encourage them to make more of their kind--it is their Promised Land.

    Then find one Centimani, or even one Pandoran. Open one gate nearby the Prometheans. Just one.

    That's all it should take.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:49 No.8126748
    sauce on pic?

    And I don't think its silly to make a metal man to kill beings who fear metal.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:51 No.8126775
    You need prometheans to feed pandorans, though as long as there's electricity, one promethean can feed pandorans all day long.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)21:51 No.8126777
    Hey OP, you know Arcadia isn't like... a city or somethign, right? It's a collection of universes sewn together with hedge, each universe being the personal 'fuck you I'm a god' realm of a single truefae. Not only that but each realm is also a kind of manifestation of the fae that owns it. Essentially you want to wage war on a nigh-infinite numbe of infinitely big city-states, each housing, at most, three actual truefae.

    I think you're missing the scope of the situation here.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:10 No.8127041
    >sewn together with hedge
    Um... no?
    Arcadia is a discrete realm, it merely borders on the hedge, much as the mortal plane merely borders on the hedge. The reason all the fae domains border the hedge is because fae don't really care about geography.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:11 No.8127067
    True. Fae can co-locate. They can be more then one thing at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:20 No.8127226
    right. that then.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:34 No.8127491
    In regards to our cold iron promethean, how hard would it be for a mage to put together a free energy device to supply the electricity for it?
    This just seems very doable; I'm tickled by the idea of a mage marching a commando squad of invisible robots through Arcadia, the very ground withering beneath their feet.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:47 No.8127727
    Ok, so what books do I need to read to learn about the True Fae and Arcadia.

    Changeling is obvious, but what else.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)22:48 No.8127746
    >warlock Mage
    Fuck you, Mastigos bastard.

    Someone needs to get us to Pandaemonium so we can knock that useless tower down.

    Except my Mage's girlfriend is a Mastigos... crap.
    Kill the warlocks and have my character die lonely, or have a girlfriend and have FUCKING MIND MAGIC all over the place...

    Also, I suddenly want to have my character ask her what Pandaemonium was like...
    You can't 'destroy' Arcadia. The most you could do is kill the Oracle and knock down the tower, putting every Acanthus into a coma.
    You'll be losing your SOUL.
    By the time you get to Arcadia, you won't be able to do anything, and you'll be nothing more than a cute little pet for the Gentry.
    The Promethean wouldn't do anything. Prometheans don't effect the Supernal. Hell, it takes forever to get a Wasteland in the Underworld. Even if there was a Wasteland, it would need to be HUGE to destroy all of Arcadia, and the Fae wouldn't really care, since they change to suit there moods, and as powerful Godlike creatures, they don't suffer Disquiet. So... good try, but no.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:49 No.8127776
    Equinox Road. It's the high level changeling book.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:51 No.8127796
    >You can't 'destroy' Arcadia. The most you could do is kill the Oracle and knock down the tower, putting every Acanthus into a coma.

    > Implying Arcadia gives two shits about wizards and their towers.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:52 No.8127840
    >Someone needs to get us to Pandaemonium so we can knock that useless tower down.

    Go ahead and try to invade a realm where matter doesn't exist, where all points in time are one, and that is infested with uberdemons.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:53 No.8127841

    All right, you people want to hear this story?


    But before I tell you THAT story, I have to tell you THIS story.

    Ok, it all started with a game of Little Fears. I got it when /x/ got it as a gift from /tg/. I gathered up some buddies from the Livestream channel I went do, and we played a game.

    The game was OK, it consisted of a group of childhood friends in a town called Black Forest, Colorado.

    The kids found a dead body in a boiler room, which set off a whole bunch of problems for them. Hands of darkness came from nowhere, Skeletons came from the Sky, houses filled with rats, the works.

    The kids learn that this is all the fault of the Denizens of the world known as Closetland, which is going on its regular Wild Hunt, gathering up children to throw into Closetland, and getting close groups of friends to end up murdering each other. That's what happened to their teacher Tom, and their librarian Ruby. Tom killed his best friend Ace (His real name was Arnold), and swore Ruby to secrecy. Unfortunately, his body vanished into Closetland. It turned up in the boiler room, which is where the kids found it. Also, an extremely tall man, with amazingly stretchy arms (I came up with this guy before Slenderman was even a glint in /x/'s eye, so imagine my surprise when this guy shows up) who comes from Closetland wants to fuck up the kids.

    To make a long story short, Stretchy Armed Man influences a close friend of theirs to open the gate to Closetland, it gets viewed on national televison (The kids had called in one of those Ghost Hunter type shows), went into a place where Closetland and the real world bled together, and beat the S.A.M. with the Power of Friendship, etc.

    Everyone enjoyed it, and wanted to play with their characters as Adults. That's when I learned about WoD, and thought "Hey, what a great way to do that".

    This was where my troubles began.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)22:53 No.8127843
    Well, presumably the Oracle of the Tower of The Lunargent Thorn has some kind of Pledge or Contract with Arcadia itself for the Acanthi.

    I didn't say that Arcadia cared about it, I just said that it was the best he could hope for.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:53 No.8127855
    ITT wizards think they know shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:53 No.8127857
    >>HEY KIDS.

    >>I'm planning to destroy Arcadia.

    >>All I need is a storyteller, a warlock Mage for me to play as, one (1) Promethean and a Changeling motley.
    Okay, good!

    >>Guess how I'm going to do it.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)22:56 No.8127910
    wizards know how to throw glitter around, anon

    the op didn't call for any malkavians, did he?
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:56 No.8127911
    >> OP 02/16/10(Tue)22:56 No.8127914

    How the hell did you end up with such a clusterfuck? This first chapter sounds fine.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)22:59 No.8127964
    What do the unholy spawn of John Malkovitch have to do with anything?
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)23:00 No.8127978
    Oh you say that like that isn't a walk in the park.

    Compared to some of the other realms, a place were people JUST want to beat you until you pay for your sins is fairly tame. Aperions will turn your heart to brass and let you die because it's nothing more than a change of state.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:08 No.8128138
    >The Promethean wouldn't do anything. Prometheans don't effect the Supernal. Hell, it takes forever to get a Wasteland in the Underworld. Even if there was a Wasteland, it would need to be HUGE to destroy all of Arcadia, and the Fae wouldn't really care, since they change to suit there moods, and as powerful Godlike creatures, they don't suffer Disquiet. So... good try, but no.
    The idea isn't that the promethean would do anything by virtue of Divine Fire, but that it would kill shit, and be invisible. They can still effect things in the same capacity as mortals, except this one would be made of cold iron.

    The mage should probably not go with his prometheans. For one thing, the hedge would tear his soul to bits, thus stripping him of his magical ability, and for another, the fae can perceive him.

    This aligns with fluff perfectly.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)23:14 No.8128247
    How exactly are you going to make a Cold Iron Promethean?

    Do you realize you'd have to carve it into a human shape WITHOUT MAGIC, or using fire? You'd have to have a Changeling shape it, and you'd have to have another Promethean make it.
    You also can't, you know, make a Promethean out of something other than a corpse without using that Lineage's element. I don't think any of them have iron. Though I suppose an Unfleshed could be.

    AND it would still have to actually, you know, get there. Because once it becomes human, it's no longer iron. It's a human for all intents and purposes.
    You could just go with the Refinement of Silver and get Cloak of Iron.

    Though really, that's stupid, because Prometheans CAN still be killed, just not as easily. I mean, hell, a Sin-Eater with Iron Stamina 3 could do it.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:15 No.8128274

    So, I get all the books, I get my players to play a few oneshots with me in every game line to get the rules for each supernatural down, and I go ahead and start setting up plot and world related things.

    I decide to set up a Mortal game, with supernaturals in the back ground. In fact, the more I read about Arcadia, the more I am reminded of Closetland.

    Hey! I think to myself, what if Closetland IS Arcadia? What if The Stretchy Armed Man is a True Fae dicking around with a bunch of kids, and the Ghost Hunters and hundreds of kids in the school that vanished when Closetland was opened up were all taken by the True Fae, and every child and member of faculty who were at George Washington School save for our PCs were actually Fetches?

    Hey, this is interesting, I think, and make plans accordingly.

    Then one of my players says that players should become supernatural creatures, and then all work together. That sounds kind of dumb, but if it's what the players want, I thought, then I'll just randomly choose one of them to turn into something.

    One of our players in the original campaign went off to France or something, so I decided to make the plot a murder mystery involving that player's character. We also had two new people sign on to the group, one playing a journalist interested in the little Black Forest incident, and a computer technician that knew the victim before she was murdered.

    With that, we began.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:16 No.8128284
    If a mage follows the trods and avoids the thorns, he might make it there without soul damage.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:16 No.8128285

    Thank you Anon.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:24 No.8128420
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    I think the Divine Fire should have a more prominent role in the plan, I mean bringing a force or pure creation (or destruction) run by ....things that lack creativity should have a larger effect than is shown in the books. I don't see why something could not be worked out with the ST.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:24 No.8128430
    Forget the prometheans; the free energy machine is where it's at. Have a mage generate large quantites of cold iron, by magicing it out of the earth or pulling it down from space. Have a changeling shape it into large, hollow spheres. Next, the the mage teleports an apparatus consisting of a gyroscope, a free energy motor, and some sort of tread into each of the balls. The changeling opens a door to the Hedge, and the mage sends the balls rolling through. Repeat as often as desired.
    In the grim darkness of the far Fairie, there is only murderball.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)23:28 No.8128479
    >by magicing it out of the earth or pulling it down from space
    So basically make Cold Iron by taking Iron and making it completely impossible for it to become COLD Iron?
    Cold Iron cannot be touched by fire or magic. It cannot be bent with intelligence or reason or magic. It can only be tamed by pure mortal willpower, and the iron will of those who were once mortal.

    Shit, just make Thaumium.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:30 No.8128507

    The PCs were headed to the funeral of the victim, whose throat, torso, and face were slashed apart, seemingly by animal claws.

    The victim had been a manager at a tech company, one that was owned by the Pentex Corporation (I liked the idea of Pentex corp, so I put them in there for both laughs, and to give the Cherion Corporation a rival for supernatural parts and things). So, when the PCs get to the funeral, they find the whole place filled with Pentex security. They're not sure why, as they haven't kept contact with their friend (let alone each other) in over 30 or so years. If it wasn't for the victim specifically asking to be buried in Black Forest, as opposed to her new home in New Mexico, they might have never met each other again.

    As the body is buried, they notice a man in a nice suit coming up to the grave and laying a rose. One of the PCs, who as a child had a huge crush on the victim, angrily runs up to the man, accusing him of crashing the funeral.

    The man is shocked to find the PCs looking at him, then he chuckles to himself, remembering that he forgot to Obfuscate. He tells the PC that he is paying his respects, as the victim was a dear friend of his, as well as an employee.

    The journalist PC then takes this opporunity to ask about why so much Pentex security is around. The man gets really annoyed, and without thinking, attempts to bite him to get him to shut up.

    The security, who had been given orders to take out anything resembling supernatural, shift into wolf form to attack the man. The PCs then decide to book it, having no idea what is going on. They then decide to all head to a bar to chat and forget what they just saw.

    God, I regret doing that.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:30 No.8128522
    This. Crafting cold iron needs strength 4 for fucks sake. you literally have to beat rocks into submission.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:31 No.8128539
    I was under the impression that it just couldn't be shaped by magic; convincing a meteor that now would be a really good time to fall to Earth would be fair game. Ah well.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)23:33 No.8128567

    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/16/10(Tue)23:35 No.8128597
    black spiral dancers ripping a leech apart at a funeral, anon?

    this isn't so bad so far
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:40 No.8128661
    Not your will. A fucking hammer.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:41 No.8128676

    So, it's the second session, and all of the PCs are at the bar. They're kind of shaken, but they all come to the conclusion that they've imagined things.

    So, the journalist is doing some research on Pentex, the police officer is considering calling in what he just saw, illusion or not, the handyman decides to go shopping, the coach is drinking a beer, the employee of the victim is crying his eyes out as is the former boxer turned hooligan, and the Art Student decides to walk out, having nothing in common with her friends anymore.

    As she walks out, a fancilly dressed men, with two strange women with him, walk into the bar. Every music player in the room starts playing "You're My Thrill" by Billie Holliday. Even the journalist's laptop. One of the characters notices how tiger like the fancily dressed man is, despite his human looking appearance.

    As the art student heads out, she notices a bunch of people on bikes heading towards the bar. One of them attempts to do some hoodo voodo bullshit on her, but his nose bleeds, and falls off his bike, causing the other bikes to fall off course and crash into the parking lot.

    Art student runs into the bar, starts screaming about how a gang's going to break in. The bartender answers the door, and gets a 12 gauge point blank to his chest.

    The group bursts in, calling themselves the Seers of the Veil (The Journalist PC assumes they must be some kind of gang). The fancily dressed man and his two women get an "OH SHI-" look on their faces. The Seers demand to know who is going to Waken in the bar. No one knows what the hell they're talking about.

    It is about this time that our Boxer friend starts getting headaches. Everything starts changing around him, and he faints.
    >> Lace 02/16/10(Tue)23:48 No.8128752
    The hammer is an extension of your will.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:49 No.8128778
    No, the hammer is my penis.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:51 No.8128793
    the hammer is my penis.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:51 No.8128800

    Our boxer friend then sees a group of hooded men, who hand him a sharp instrument of some sort. No one else can see this.

    The boxer tries to make it to the jukebox, which is no longer a jukebox, but a large tower of some sort. The bar is no longer a bar, but the deepest cave, with souls walking around him.

    While the Boxer is tripping balls, the rest of the PCs find themselves held up by angry men and women in shot guns (Apologies, I had meant to call them Seers of the Throne, whether or not they were the ACTUAL Seers of the Throne, no one knows).

    The journalist, who is also a charisma tank, screams out, "YOU FOOLS! YOUR MASTERS SENT ME FIRST, AND YOU LOST THEM! THE AWAKENED ONE RAN OUT THE BACK DOOR!"

    Two or three really good rolls later, and the Seers were out the back door. The PCs are just ready to head out, when they notice one of their own crawling over to the jukebox.

    The coach grabs the guy to get him out of there. The boxer slashes at his arm with his ghost knife, and the coach gets hit.

    The boxer signs his true name on the tower, and become a Moros mage.

    He falls unconscious, and everyone gets the hell out.

    They all decide to head over to a diner. This is where everything gets a little...wonky.
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:51 No.8128801
    the hammer is my hammer
    >> Anonymous 02/16/10(Tue)23:57 No.8128870
    the penis is my hammer
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:03 No.8128935
    This is why you need Strength 4 to craft cold iron.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:03 No.8128941

    So, the PCs head to a diner.

    As the group begins to eat, they see the vampire from earlier walking in, dusting off his suit. He notices the group, and gives them a polite nod.

    Meanwhile, in another table, we introduce another PC, who really wanted to play a Promethean. He is sitting down at another table, drinking a Pepsi. He had seen some werewolves fight a dude in a suit, and ran in and beat the werewolves to death, using his giant finger claws and tremendous strength. He hadn't seen the man clearly, so he didn't notice that the man who walked in was the man he saved.

    The PCs talk with the vampire, asking him what the hell is going on. The vampire explains that he is in town to visit his employee's grave. He then explains that she was very important to the company, as they would activate a system known as MeinOS, which Pentex plans to use to open up a place called Arcadia. The computer technician had always assumed the word Arcadia was slang.

    The childhood friends then demand to know why their friend was so important. The vampire then decides, "fuck it" and tells them straight up: I am a vampire. Your friend was my ghoul. I helped her walk again with my super awesome blood.

    It is then that the coach gets a call on his cellphone. His girlfriend is babysitting his kid, and his kid has vanished. She's going to go look for him. He says he'll be right over. The coach, police officer, and art student leave. The journalist and computer guy remain, as does the Promethean, who is listening in with slight interest.

    The coach and co. make it to the house. Coach opens the door, and finds that the floor is littered with crunchy autumn leaves. A bit odd, for spring.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:11 No.8129048

    Coach heads into the living room, and tries to grab the greatsword he bought one time, having no other weapon. He has been a He-Man fan as a child, so it was modeled after the Sword of Grayskull.

    It was ripped off the display in the mantle, with words written in some red substance saying "NAUGHTY BOYS SHOULDN'T PLAY WITH THEIR TOYS"

    Meanwhile, the police officer gets out of the car, to enter the house. The art student is left all alone, and moves up to the front seat to turn on the radio. It doesn't turn on. She then decides to open the car door, and there is no handle.

    Around the car is a nice pile of leaves.

    Art Student looks into the rear view mirror, where the Stretchy Armed Man is in the back, smoking what looks like a Cigar.

    "Hello", he says, "It's been a while."

    Art Student FLIPS THE FUCK OUT, screaming that he's dead and they killed him.

    The coach walks into his sons room to find his girlfriend and boy's empty shoes lying on the ground. There is a message written over the window, "THE FIRST PAYMENT. I'LL BE BACK FOR THE REST LATER"

    In the car, The Stretchy Armed Man tells the Art Student that the Wild Hunt is coming back, and all the town is going to pay for ending it prematurely all those years ago.

    All seems lost, until....
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:27 No.8129286
    go on...
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:28 No.8129306

    The Promethean has Ellipis or however you spell it, so he gets a vision of the Stretchy Armed Man menacing people. He also knows exactly where the problem is.

    In the middle of the diner, he lets out a howl of "FOR THE WOMEN AND CHILDREN", turns into a car/carman (He's an Unfleshed), and busts out of the diner. He runs over the PCs car, crushing it into nothing.

    The other PCs and the Vampire decide to follow the guy in the Vampire's car.

    The Art Student is shaking in fear, as the Stretchy Armed Man reaches over to grab her....just as she sees a large carman headed towards her. The Promethean slams into the car, grabs the True Fae, and starts slamming him into the ground.

    The True Fae takes a moment to try to notice him, and then manages to barely see him.

    "Oh, what a disgusting thing you are", the Stretchy Armed Man says.

    And so the two do battle, with the Promethean RIPPING and TEARING the True Fae, but accomplishing little. The True Fae just starts slapping him around like he's a toy.

    It is then that the other PCs and the Vampire arrive. Journalist demands that the Vampire call Pentex security. The Vampire gives him a "Are you fucking serious?" look, but then does so.

    A group of vicious, angry werewolves are now honing in on their location. PCs freak out.

    The computer guy, whose Psychic powers are only now beginning to surface, feels a strong urge to grab the iron poker in Coach's living room. He succeeds, and beats the Stretchy Armed Man over the head with it. S.A.M. SHRIEKS in pain, and the Promethean is wondering why a simple iron poker could do what his claws and strength could not.

    It is then that the Werewolves descend upon the house, and everyone must roll for Lunacy. Only the Promethean and Coach succeed.

    Promethean throws the True Fae to the Werewolves, screaming "BON APPETIT, MOTHERFUCKER" in a voice that sounds like a thousand Mack Horns. He runs off and turns into a car.
    >> scared of shadows !!7tJvdfwxbH7 02/17/10(Wed)00:30 No.8129339
    carman prommies and black spiral dancer security guards, anon?

    what's wrong with you?
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:30 No.8129351

    The rest of the PCs start screaming, the Vampire starts hissing. The Vampire, still driving the car, sends it into high speed, screaming into the night.

    The radio is accidentally hit, and Little Green Bag by The George Baker Selection starts playing accompanied by screams and vampire hissing.

    There's a lot more, involving Exalted, Scion and the Universe blowing up, but I think either this has it the bump limit, or no one cares. I'll stop here, unless anyone objects.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:31 No.8129361
    keep going
    Or make a new thread for this
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:34 No.8129398
    I care, I'm just not posting.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:51 No.8129677

    Well all right. I really hope OP doesn't mind me hijacking his thread for my stupid campaign.

    So, now we turn to our handyman PC, who is shopping for groceries. He heads to checkout, when he takes a look out the window, and he sees a large car speeding toward him. It looks like his friends are in there.

    So, the car the Vampire is driving is speeding towards a grocery store. The Vampire is too deep in Frenzy to to anything, so everyone just braces themselves.

    The car crashes into the window, and with it my hopes of this being a nice, subtle horror game.

    It smashes through the bread aisle, and slams into the dairy section, sending milk everywhere.

    To make a long story short, the vampire, using his crazy Dominate, gets people to shut up about this, and then the PCs decide to crash at the Police Officer's place. They do so.

    Meanwhile, our Promethean friend is in a forest, preparing to rest for the night. He then sense Azoth, and finds another Promethean, this one a Galateid made out of Gold and rubies, created to be a sex slave.

    "I was trying to find the burny smell", the Galateid says.

    The two find it is coming from a house down the road, and the Galatied decides to bust in. The Unfleshed, being a bit smarter than that decides to wait outside. Still, there's A LOT of Azoth in that house.

    Then the Unfleshed hears the Galatied say, "Uh Oh".

    The Galatied bursts out, and with him come a couple hundred Promethean Squirrels. Behind them is a Squirrel Pandoran on the hunt for delicious Azoth. The humanoid Prometheans decide to run for it.

    Next door, at the police officer's house, everyone is preparing to rest for the night. The Vampire locks himself in a room upstairs, and tries to make the room sunlight proof.

    As most fall asleep, the officer hears a pounding at the door, and a voice saying, with no emotion in its voice, "Help, help"
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:54 No.8129732

    Officer opens the door to find the Human Prometheans, the Promethean Squirrels, and the Pandoran closing in.

    The PCs look at the Pandoran, and it turns into stone.

    Unfleshed takes this moment to rip off Officer's door by the hinges, and smash the Pandoran to death.

    It is then that a man walks up to the house, saying "How did these get out?"

    It's Officer's next door neighbor. Turns out he made these things. Also his house got wrecked by the squirrels running out, can he stay at Officer's House? Pretty please?

    Too tired for arguing, they let Demiurge stay.

    Everyone falls asleep, with Handyman beginning to dream.....
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)00:58 No.8129800
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    >Promethean Squirrels
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:05 No.8129906

    In this dream, he sees the dead Victim telling him he has to get his friends to stop MeinOS from going online, because it will destroy Black Forest!

    Then all of a sudden, the fancily dressed man from the bar, now looking like a cross between a tiger and a man, starts trying to attack the victim, screaming that he needs to finish the job.

    Handyman socks Dream Tigerman, and wakes up. He then falls back asleep.

    The next morning then arrives, and Demiurge is cooking Officer's food. Journalist, not believing Vampire is what he says he is, tries to wake him up. This does not work.

    Demiurge invites over his girl-who-just-so-happens-to-be-his-friend-no-matter-what-you-think to bring over some bread.

    When she comes over, Art Student starts yelling at Demiurge about bringing Squirrels back to life. Demiurge's friend then says something to the effect of "You did that again?" Demiurge then explains that he used to work for Pentex, working on a Project Stygia. He got people to die temporarily, then asked them about what they saw. He was VERY good at his job, but was fired when he was caught trying to bring people dead for over a few months back to life.

    Handyman then decides to head out to find the Tigerman in real life. Journalist hears about it, and is reminded of the Black Forest Incident, of which he has footage. The Prometheans then arrive, checking up on the people. Everyone watches the footage.

    After watching the video, one of the PCs realizes the one of the women was their childhood friend who opened the doors to Closetland in the last game. They look up where she's staying, and pay a visit.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:11 No.8130024
    I'm contemplating stealing some of these horrible ideas.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:13 No.8130050
    It's unorthodox, but it should work.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:14 No.8130063

    Hmmm. If this doesn't bump the thread, I may need a new thread. Does this really need a new thread?

    Anywho, the group the heads over to the Apartment.

    They argue over whether or not the place is armed, when the police officer decides to open the door.

    He is met with a shotgun.

    The man misses. It is the Tiger man.

    The group bursts in, hoping to over power the tenants. This proves to be a bad idea, as one of the group grows to a humongous size.

    A few run into the kitchen, to find their friend, her Mein down. She is an Airtouched, and she is weeping as she seems to be made out of air. The rest are stunned.

    The Tigerman, a Hunterheart, slashes a PC's throat, hurting him bad.

    The large Changeling begins to crush Demiurge.

    The Demiurge's friend, who had always told him she belonged to a family of wolves (though Demiurge thought she was joking), begins to have her First Change. In the middle of the room.
    >> From Hell's Heart 02/17/10(Wed)01:17 No.8130102

    I demand to see the conclusion of this WTF-Fest, anon. It needs a new thread, and possibly archival for sheer OHGODMYHEADWAT
    >> Lace 02/17/10(Wed)01:19 No.8130142
    Actually, I think it's Magnum Opus, but one of the books presents a whole host of differently made Prometheans.

    There's Prometheans made from wood and metal and marble and mud, Prometheans made from dreams, and even Prometheans made from animals.

    One such is Hendaid Bran, Great-Grandfather Crow. He's an incredibly old Promethean crow with Azoth 7. The book suggests that he might know every transmutation ever, and that he likely knows Pandoran Transmutations.
    Despite this, he's only ever met some three other Prometheans in his long lifetime.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:21 No.8130180

    Very well, then, you'll get your wish.

    Making a new thread now.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:23 No.8130212
    This isn't a Promethean made from squirrels, though. It's squirrels made from Promethean.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:23 No.8130222
    If it were to be archived, we'd have to have the whole story in one thread.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:25 No.8130256

    Crazy storytelling dude here.

    No, they're Promethean Squirrels.

    They were dead bodies of run over squirrels, that Demiurge took in and stitched with other dead Squirrels, then did his thing, and they came to life.

    He made hundreds of them.

    New thread coming momentarily.
    >> From Hell's Heart 02/17/10(Wed)01:28 No.8130303

    Good man. We must find some way to honour your sacrifice of time and effort.

    ...Everybody good with tits?
    >> OP 02/17/10(Wed)01:28 No.8130308
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    OP is pleased.
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:31 No.8130348
    fuck you OP, I read that in Gaius Baltar's voice
    >> Anonymous 02/17/10(Wed)01:32 No.8130360
    New thread here:

    >> From Hell's Heart 02/17/10(Wed)01:36 No.8130417

    I also commend you, good doomsday-invoking-OP. May your wacky shenanigans drag us all into nightmarish adventure.

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