Posting mode: Reply
Password(Password used for file deletion)
  • Supported file types are: GIF, JPG, PNG
  • Maximum file size allowed is 3072 KB.
  • Images greater than 250x250 pixels will be thumbnailed.
  • Read the rules and FAQ before posting.
  • ????????? - ??

  • File : 1266856817.jpg-(288 KB, 1100x1357, Positronic_by_Rahll.jpg)
    288 KB Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:40 No.8224490  
    Eclipse Phase in the Mass Effect Universe.

    What turns out different. Do the Quarians fear us like the plague or have some sympathy over the similarities of our situation.

    How bad goes the First contact.

    Will be even accepted at the citadel?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:42 No.8224511
    Canon first contact already sucked balls. The Turians just flipped the fuck out and started killing all the humans they could get their grubby air quoting hands on.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:43 No.8224527
    Would be too different to tell. Mass Effect universe has little to no genetic or cybernetic modifications that we know of, besides Shepard being rebuilt.

    Quarians would probably understand our problems, and the Citadel would be like "haha, you guys got owned" then ignore us.

    Due to lack of spaceships and combat vehicles, we'd probably lose the First Contact War. Well, moreso. Though in one-on-one combat we'd win every time. Just send some Furies and combat synthmorphs. A max armoured synthmorph is essentially a sentient tank.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:44 No.8224541
    Ah, your so called "civilians".
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:45 No.8224546
    Ah, you're so called "war crimes"
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:46 No.8224560
    While I am mostly ignorant of Eclipse Phase. I've heard about these Pandora Gates. Are they some sort of FTL traveling gizmo?

    That could help since we would be not so dependent of the Relays to travel through space.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:47 No.8224575
    Sort of, yes. No one knows how they work, but they seem to be Relay type devices.

    Except it seems the TITANs went through there. I'm sure the Council wouldn't exactly like us for unleashing psychotic AI with a love for genocide on the rest of space.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:48 No.8224582
    Eclipse phase humans is far superior to Mass Effect humans
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:48 No.8224583
    They are basicly Star Gates, but they don't play a big role in the game.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:49 No.8224590
    Ah yes... seven hundred dead. Massive human casualties indeed.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:49 No.8224596
    Ah yes, your so called "Titans"
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:50 No.8224607
         File1266857410.jpg-(840 KB, 1600x862, 9cbf3a60b09b18961338b4a14dc66c(...).jpg)
    840 KB
    I for one, think that if we are rejected we should try to look into curing the Krogan from their Genophage disease, for shit and giggles.

    Or at least alleviate stuff (at least no dead babies, only scarce fertility).

    I think Transhumanity should be able to come up with medigel anyway
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:50 No.8224611
    I said they killed all the humans they could get their hands on. Have you seen a Turian's hands? They only have two fingers and a thumb, it's not like they have a very strong grip.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:52 No.8224639
    Their grip would be fucking brutal. Have you ever seen a guitarist's fret hand? The muscles are stupid strong from the constant finger flexing. Turians would have godly grip strength from all their air quoting.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:53 No.8224644
         File1266857589.jpg-(191 KB, 900x517, Shurikane_by_Morriperkele.jpg)
    191 KB
    Oh, I wonder how many Turians these hands can pick up.
    >> Alternate OP 02/22/10(Mon)11:55 No.8224670
    TITANS go through the star gates. Rename themselves the Geth, mess up everyones stuff.

    Aliens get mad, come through star gates in desperate last stand. Find transhumanity, not-first contact war happens.

    Take it from here.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:55 No.8224681
    Oh shit. I just imagined humanity forking Shepard a few hundred times.

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:56 No.8224700
    Good lord you are right. They weren't mocking us, they were building finger strength so they could rip through our starships with their bare hands.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:57 No.8224705
    Now you gave me the image of The Geth and TITANS BROfisting. while conquering the universe.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)11:58 No.8224719
    OH SHI-

    It would be like Sheppard suddenly going Kagebunshi no Jutsu.

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:02 No.8224754
    Well, seeing as how we can give the Quarians the cure for all their problems...

    I kinda doubt that racism will be much of a problem on the human side (barring the Jovians) - given that BATTLECRABS are productive members of human society. After the TITANS - any aliens that aren't stealing our brains are probably a big relief.

    It's also likely to be first contact for the Factors as well.

    I doubt they'll be much pleased that we made super-geth, but the tech we can offer is so far beyond their own (conceptually at least) that provided the First Contact War ends up peacful-loike then it might be a pretty good situation all-round. EP humanity needs colony planets and probably can't support superheavy industry without it.

    Railguns that don't need eezo? Check. Psychics that aren't asari? Check. Immortality? Check. Nanotech? Check. Meatship? Check.

    As Biotics are made when eezo nods form in the nervous system - after a couple months research then anyone with the creds could buy a biotic synthmorph with squishy models soon after. Plus a synthmorph could supply substantially more energy to the eezo and store more of it than any meatbag.

    Firewall will be shitting bricks mind.


    How transhumanity will react to the Prothean ruins and the Mass Relay? Would a unified Systems Alliance be formed to represent the species and so on and so forth - or would Jupiter go on a jihad etc etc...
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:08 No.8224821
    I've heard some speculations that EP trasnhumanity would lose the war even worse than Humanity.
    Down to the turians not losing a single soldier even though lasers and shit bypass kinetic shields like they aren't even there.

    And turians don't have any medigel.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:09 No.8224830
    Forgot to add that I think that assumption is full of shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:10 No.8224839
    Oh, isn't EP in a Post-Scarcity society?

    I might be wrong. but you can see how this could affect galactic negotiations negatively.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 02/22/10(Mon)12:12 No.8224859

    >> Alternate OP 02/22/10(Mon)12:12 No.8224863
    There are still humans around, so they still have some needs. It's just that there are more robots around instead. They might treat both groups differently.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:13 No.8224872
    The outer system is. The inner system is controlled by the hypercorps, and those guys are dicks.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:14 No.8224889

    No, it's pretty common for the Alliance and even civilians to splice themselves up genetically. Cybernetically, not so much.

    In the first game, there is a little conversation in the Presidium where a pregnant widower is arguing with her brother in law about whether to give the baby a gene upgrade that has risks. Think the whole "this vaccine causes autism!" bullshit, but in space.

    Then later, on Noveria, you can pretend to represent the Alliance and enter conversation with a representative for a genetics company. In conversation, the two of you mention that it's pretty common for the Alliance to give soldiers gene-upgrades to improve reaction time, visual acuity and muscle mass.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:17 No.8224919
         File1266859037.jpg-(215 KB, 800x1302, Happy_2109_by_xavor85.jpg)
    215 KB
    I see that even getting a Unified alliance is probably going to be impossible.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:22 No.8224984
         File1266859336.jpg-(110 KB, 1271x725, eclipse.jpg)
    110 KB
    OK now I got a question for those who know Eclipse Phase.

    Can I have a body that can turn into a truck?

    The answer will determinate if I continue with this download.
    >> Alternate OP 02/22/10(Mon)12:23 No.8224999
    Actually, the basic ME humanity is still more divided. Remember, you are part of the military alliance. Individual species would probably just deal with the mega corps directly, while the military alliance would focus on finding and claiming new worlds and systems.

    I'm also finding the idea that every ship is basically EDI. After the encounter with aliens, trans-humanity breaks away from humans, and end up as the AI's for ships.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:25 No.8225026
    I'd allow it.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:35 No.8225147
    Aren't AI kinda forbidden in the Galactic Society?

    or is just research?

    I wonder what would be the reaction to that.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:38 No.8225181
    And I'd love you for it. unfortunately we are apart by a long distance.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:45 No.8225262
    How do you know? I might just be across the street.

    Watching you.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:52 No.8225331
    Bullshit there's nothing across the street.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:54 No.8225345
         File1266861286.jpg-(126 KB, 1000x545, 7f951fde3dbfc227173111ace80b98(...).jpg)
    126 KB
    back on topic.

    Does anyone else have some sort of speculation?

    Will post stuff in the meantime.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:56 No.8225365
    Well it would be like making a law against weaponry, then making first contact with the mongols. The AIs are already there and they sure as hell aren't leaving.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:57 No.8225384
    As if we would care about that.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:58 No.8225391
    Salarians cook up some cyberplague. A melding plague, perhaps?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)12:59 No.8225402
         File1266861540.jpg-(282 KB, 1171x1600, theshowstopperb.jpg)
    282 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:00 No.8225416

    That's funny anon. The Salarians don't have shit on Transhumans.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:02 No.8225432
    It wouldn't help. Nanites, man. Plus pulling something like that would likely cause the humans to intentionally recreate the Titans aimed at the Salarians. Everybody dies, Reapers don't even need to visit.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:04 No.8225454
    I doubt they can cook up something even remotely as dangerous whatever TITAN made.

    Transhumanity could probably shrug it off.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:04 No.8225461
    The Salarians would join Transhumanity. I mean, those fuckers only live, what, 50 years?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:05 No.8225466
    Sovereign would be like "I AM INFINITE. I AM DEATH MADE METAL AND POLY-ALLOY. I AM - why is everyone dead? What the hell?"
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:06 No.8225473
    In ME3, Mordin is 30 years old, and is considered to be quite aged.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:06 No.8225478
    Yeah Salarians would be all over that shit. Fucking Asari are so goddamn smug with their super long lives. Fuck them.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:07 No.8225483
    Then he gets raped by a nanite swarm.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:07 No.8225486
    >Melding plague
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:07 No.8225491
         File1266862051.jpg-(948 KB, 1600x965, Deep_impact_by_AndreeWallin.jpg)
    948 KB
    It all comes down to transhumanity making enough ships IF everything goes south.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:08 No.8225504
    EP Humanity is the progenitor race that made the Reapers. Discuss.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:08 No.8225505
    I think that with enough Von Neumann bots (Like, say, one) we'd have as many ships as we'd ever need.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:09 No.8225511
         File1266862178.jpg-(579 KB, 1250x650, 22be587c626ba83d93b28c9a53a747(...).jpg)
    579 KB
    oops, wrong picture.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:10 No.8225517
    No man. EP humanity IS the Reapers. They just downloaded themselves into their capital ships and viola! Instant Reaper.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:10 No.8225520
    Mordin is 48 in ME2.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:11 No.8225529
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:13 No.8225546
    Salarians don't know enough about nanites to target them specificly. Even if they did, some Seed AI would figure out how to stop it. After which mankind unleashes VOn Neuman machines to kill every Salarian in the Galaxy.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:13 No.8225556
    Whoa.. the codex says they live just around 40.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:13 No.8225557
    He is? My bad.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:16 No.8225598
         File1266862616.jpg-(180 KB, 515x400, 1266710396349.jpg)
    180 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:20 No.8225651
         File1266862855.jpg-(136 KB, 500x323, 1266707392174.jpg)
    136 KB
    The result is probably going to be something like this.

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:23 No.8225693
    The Mass Effect universe basically has humanity pulling an entire space navy out of their asses.

    But they've got the benefits of having an extremely large population. In a hundred years multiple planets are being colonized by hundreds of millions of people.

    In Eclipse Phase, there's ~500 million people left in the entire solar system.

    First Contact would be brutal. Human ships wouldn't have kinetic barriers, and their kinetic weapons wouldn't be as effecting, since they have to do the hard work of accelerating, instead of taking the mass effect short cut. Lasers would be approximately on-par, though, with an edge to the Turians who've had centuries of galactic conflict to refine their weapons.

    All hell would break loose when the Galactic Council finds out that Humans not only have AI's, but are basically indistinguishable from AI's in many cases. Quarians would probably intervene and blockade our solar system before any sort of subjugating move was made by the Turian/Asari/Salarians. It's a toss-up what they'd do, probably depend on which political faction is in power, but it's likely they'd ally with the humans if only because both are in similar straights.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:26 No.8225729
    whatever Quarian makes their pilgrimage to transhumanity would likely be recieved with every kind of honor for all the shit Transhumanity could provide.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:26 No.8225734
    And then transhuman agents start infiltrating the other factions ...
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:27 No.8225747
    This is why Mordin is a fucking BADASS.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:30 No.8225781
    Scary thought too.

    It's not far-fetched at all for Transhumanity to create a physiological copy of a Turian or Salarian, and then upload a human consciousness into them.

    Humans would become masters of infiltration and spy-craft. Anyone, anything, could be a human spy.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:32 No.8225804
         File1266863567.jpg-(101 KB, 900x506, E_P_by_feerikart.jpg)
    101 KB
    >> No Man 02/22/10(Mon)13:34 No.8225821

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:34 No.8225822
    Even the Reapers may not be safe after mankind masters Element Zero.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:36 No.8225847
    Bonus points for a Volus spy with Darth Vader's voice.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:47 No.8225959
         File1266864431.jpg-(449 KB, 1600x1000, Ark_by_arsenixc.jpg)
    449 KB
    Correct me if I'm wrong.

    But aren't there in EP a lot of consciousness that are currently stored and that can't be used because there's no space for more bodies or something?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:49 No.8225983
    There is space. But bodies cost money, because the people are in the hands of inner-system corporations. And most disembodied people can't afford to have a body grown, they can barely afford the rent on cheap clanking puppets. If even that.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:52 No.8226018
         File1266864746.jpg-(157 KB, 675x1140, Becoming_Real___Final.jpg)
    157 KB
    The result would probably involve. Big Ships, Giant Robots.
    Von Neuman Armies and the latest version of Frank Klepacki MKVII Hell March.

    or perhaps.this
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:52 No.8226019
    Basically there's some millions of people who are trapped as info-life after the Fall, because there simply aren't enough bodies to go around. Some people want a body really really bad, so they sell themselves into indentured servitude, etc.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)13:59 No.8226091
    Corporate Bastards!

    and how are the people of the outer system faring?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:04 No.8226137
    Not really a lot of detail.

    Basically they're post-scarcity, with a reputation economy.

    As far as I understand it, they basically all just do whatever the fuck they feel like, and access to more significant resources [I want a space station to conduct experiments on!] is determined by your reputation and clout, not by your money. Which you don't have.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:08 No.8226184
    Anything wrong that could happen if they are involved in first contact?
    >> Guardsman Terry 02/22/10(Mon)14:09 No.8226207
         File1266865792.jpg-(115 KB, 407x405, Visor Retarded.jpg)
    115 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:11 No.8226225
    I'm Commander Sheppard, and this is my favorite thread on the Citadel.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:11 No.8226228
    Also there are MUCH less people in the outer system.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:15 No.8226260
         File1266866129.jpg-(89 KB, 412x1020, zenrobot.jpg)
    89 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:15 No.8226263
    Well, in a first contact situation, their only constraining resource is personnel.

    So they'd probably fork a bunch of people, stick them in robot spaceships and duke it out that way.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:19 No.8226285
         File1266866354.jpg-(208 KB, 900x1314, Cyborg_SB2_by_MedoK81.jpg)
    208 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:19 No.8226290
    Humans then make contact with the Geth and Reapers. Rest of galaxy is genocided.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:20 No.8226297
    Why do I see the Scum joining the flotilla and helping fight the geth?
    >> /d/eviating Ca/tg/irl 02/22/10(Mon)14:25 No.8226321

    Quarians would want you DEAD. Thay don't like AI's, they for the most part still want to wipe out the geth.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:25 No.8226329
         File1266866757.jpg-(11 KB, 218x164, hcw_wrex.jpg)
    11 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:26 No.8226333
    You are now aware Bioware named Wrex wrex because they are uncreative, and because he wrecks things.
    >> Guardsman Terry 02/22/10(Mon)14:26 No.8226334
         File1266866800.jpg-(280 KB, 770x546, Wrecks.jpg)
    280 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:27 No.8226340
         File1266866855.jpg-(561 KB, 623x962, infiltrate_mission_by_kerko.jpg)
    561 KB
    EP transhumanity in the MAss Effect universe would have had to at least find SOME Element Zero. The Mass Relay discovery could have been avoided in this timeline if effectively covered up by a hypercorp.

    Trying to avoid the easy way out of "A TITAN did it". Although given EP's space horror angle that inevitability of blame might work better.

    The real shock would be the Factors having to explain themselves to the Council or actually deal with meeting the Council the first time themselves.

    The Turian/Human first contact war might be avoided entirely if the Factor's are already a member of the Citadel Council. I would avoid assigning them a major seat instead having their penchant for trade allowing them to effectively lobby and filibuster behind the scenes.

    tldr: Transhumanity gets simultaneously saved from and sold out to the Council by the Factors.
    >> Guardsman Terry 02/22/10(Mon)14:27 No.8226347
         File1266866879.jpg-(193 KB, 515x400, T-Wrex.jpg)
    193 KB
    Works for me.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:28 No.8226353
         File1266866915.jpg-(182 KB, 385x800, soldier7.jpg)
    182 KB
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)14:34 No.8226456
         File1266867274.jpg-(318 KB, 518x711, XenOhplease.jpg)
    318 KB
    I've heard some... disturbing reports of AI's. All post-humans are to report to the Alarai for 're-education'.

    We will take care of you there.
    (Humans with the surname 'Shepard' need not show)
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:42 No.8226561
         File1266867747.jpg-(259 KB, 463x850, Cyborg_by_MedoK81.jpg)
    259 KB
    all 15 million of us?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:45 No.8226592
    No proper immune system? Sounds like an easy victim for the Exsurgent virus. Firewall will have to take care of that.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:47 No.8226619
    This thread intrigues me, but I have a question since I haven't played ME. Is there a law in the back story against AIs?
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)14:48 No.8226634
         File1266868114.jpg-(206 KB, 1920x1080, 1266626098972.jpg)
    206 KB
    Why, yes. The more the merrier. Just... stand infront of this wifi module. Could you, eh, disable your firewalls for a moment? It interferes with our equipment, you understand.
    >> Johnny Turbo !ndGJO7HYc2 02/22/10(Mon)14:49 No.8226650
    Yes. The Quarians created the Geth as AI based servants. Geth rebelled, Quarians are now homeless space gypsies living in a giant fleet of ships. Afterwards, true AI was banned in fear of a repeat incident.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:51 No.8226666
    Alright, before I read the whole thread someone please fill me in on Eclipse Phase
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:52 No.8226685
    Mm. I agree.

    I'm more than happy to help Quarians "build up their immune system", if you know what I mean.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:54 No.8226705
         File1266868477.jpg-(53 KB, 670x446, KillyWTF.jpg)
    53 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:55 No.8226721
         File1266868536.jpg-(212 KB, 705x1000, Hardcore_by_OmeN2501.jpg)
    212 KB
    I believe there is a Missunderstanding.

    There are 15 million Sheppard. we really like forking the best soldiers.

    some are even females.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:56 No.8226728
    oh the Irony.
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)14:56 No.8226739
         File1266868605.jpg-(62 KB, 705x1030, Xen4.jpg)
    62 KB
    You there. Get in line. There's more than enough for all synthetics. Just form a line and follow procedure, and we'll all go home feeling alot better!
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:58 No.8226759

    Eclipse Phase is a setting where all the sorts of augmentation usually tossed aside in space opera setting; genetic augmentation. artificial intelligence and animal sentience uplifts is the entire point.

    When the question of "Am I still human?" becomes less important than "Am I still me after being recopied into a new body for the eighteenth time?",

    Also there's a strong undercurrent of horror what with Earth being a no-mans land made uninhabitable by a flock of insane Skynet plus Seed Ai's

    tldr; All the stuff NOT in Star Trek with Event Horizon as the soundtrack.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:58 No.8226764
         File1266868705.jpg-(122 KB, 1200x746, Hostile_Takeover_by_OmeN2501.jpg)
    122 KB
    Machine Tentacle sex right?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)14:58 No.8226765
    Geth didn't really rebel, the Quarians freaked out and tried to shut them down, they simply fought back.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:03 No.8226809
    How are humans (if you can call them that) are generally fairing? From the first posts it seems that they aren't doing that good and may be on brink of extinction.

    Also, is Eclipse Phase a tabletop game, a book or vidya ?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:03 No.8226818
         File1266869037.jpg-(103 KB, 379x377, Killy37.jpg)
    103 KB
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 02/22/10(Mon)15:03 No.8226819

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:04 No.8226824
    Fuck, you are getting this agitated about regular AIs? Shit, we had to deal with TITANs, bitch.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 02/22/10(Mon)15:06 No.8226852




    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:06 No.8226853
    It's a PnP game. About 98% of humanity has been wiped out in a war, which destroyed earth. Seed-AIs, self-improving, artificial Intelligences played a good role in it, but the humans didn't really help their case. Right now, 10 years after the war, they are quite well again, actually.
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)15:07 No.8226858
         File1266869246.jpg-(318 KB, 518x711, Xen2.jpg)
    318 KB
    I am far from agitated! I merely wish you wonderful machines, synthetics and various post-humans to look at this spiraling light orb for a few moments! I promise you that you will feel better than you've ever had before!
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:10 No.8226893
    Ok, enough of this shit. You know what this is? They call it a shredder pistol. Come on, make my day.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:13 No.8226929
    Bitch you better behave or well introduce something that makes the Genophage look like a mild cough.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:14 No.8226934
    Your penis?
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)15:14 No.8226940
         File1266869684.jpg-(264 KB, 705x1030, Xenoshit.jpg)
    264 KB
    Oh shi-
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:16 No.8226954
    Would Geth be our friends then ;_; ?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:18 No.8226979
         File1266869923.jpg-(134 KB, 663x1024, Biosuit.jpg)
    134 KB

    how did you find out?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:20 No.8226992
    Personally i'm in the camp that despite the acts of TITAN, they were potentially acting in our best interests.

    To quit being coddled by earth and move out in the universe, and who knows, many of those people who "died" might have chosen to meld with TITAN.

    What the hell, i'm an optimist
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:22 No.8227034

    Thanks to your post I may never hear again.

    How can a bodyless person even acquire money to get a body? And why do people with bodies live like gods?
    >> 008 02/22/10(Mon)15:23 No.8227040
    the TITANs were infected by something horrible that made them do what they did, it wasn't an act of kindness. They were made vastly insane.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:26 No.8227081
    Also what's in each of the settings timelines that might mesh well?

    Looking at the ME timeline Pluto's moon Charon is actually a Mass Relay.

    So depending on when Charon was colonized in EP's timeline would have the greatest effect on Transhumanity's readiness for first contact. Or at least enough know-how to know if the Factors were attempting to deceive them.

    Time-line being before or after the Fall of Earth. Actual hard dates seem like something the authors of EP don't want to set in stone.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:26 No.8227087
    the geth, yes.
    the heretics, no
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:31 No.8227166
         File1266870688.jpg-(44 KB, 357x367, 1266402605621.jpg)
    44 KB
    That's 48 by modern-day human standards, placing him around 30 or so in-game (on a 40-year average salarian lifespan). Bioware devs clarified on the forums.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:36 No.8227245
         File1266871007.jpg-(567 KB, 716x716, 180656.jpg)
    567 KB
    I say we go for some good ol fashioned tentalcle sex.

    If she doesn't have one, well just make one(or maybe a few).
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:36 No.8227248

    I find it funny that the geth would use concepts such as "heretics", a machine intelligence wouldn't be inclined towards religion and why haven't the geth improved their mental capacity ? A self-aware AI would be able to exponentially increase its intelligence very fast and we're not talking years or weeks here, we're talking later this afternoon. The should've steamrolled the galaxy by now.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:39 No.8227285
    Maybe they're preoccupied with some other project.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:42 No.8227319
         File1266871349.jpg-(184 KB, 600x1000, a_moment_in_time_by_neisbeis.jpg)
    184 KB
    they could be suffering from cylon stupidity
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:44 No.8227346

    I thought multi-tasking was a computers strong point
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:45 No.8227353

    So this thread is actually exploring genre tone clashes as in setting events?

    EP's horror transhumanism vs MA's bright early 80's inspired space opera?

    Could work pretty well if done subtly. Firefly was supposedly Star Trek's monolithic Federation embodied by The Alliance vs Buck Rodgers style pulp heroes.

    The issues of exponential AI would make Tranhumanity a threat if only by association. Which could mean that they would be seen as suitable patsies by Sarek to further Sovereign's ends.

    Some sort of quarantine of the solar system would result in at least -some- of transhumanity escaping between the cracks.

    A few cornocopia machines and enough time would make for an interesting campaign in freeing the rest of the Sol system from their new Turian oppressors.

    The ever bastardly Batarans might even make allies in this darker set of circumstances.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:46 No.8227374

    Cylon stupidity is a bad excuse for humie plot-armor. But I never enjoyed battlestar galactica with its "lol analogue watches and concrete-walled vessels".
    >> Daro'Xen 02/22/10(Mon)15:47 No.8227386
         File1266871640.jpg-(320 KB, 518x711, Xenohkal.jpg)
    320 KB
    Now now, no need to be, uh, hasty.


    ...Be gentle.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:47 No.8227387

    >A self-aware AI would be able to exponentially increase its intelligence very fast

    What the fuck do you mean?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:50 No.8227435
    Don't worry you'll feel all tingly inside. And then your body and mind will explode in ecstasy.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:51 No.8227450
    And then, there's that luddite ending.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)15:54 No.8227499

    The word heretic has meanings beyond a religious sense. They call them heretics because they go against the group consensus.

    >increase intelligence

    In successive units maybe. The only way for a single unit to increase its own intelligence would be to upgrade its hardware, and theres only so small you can make a processor anyway.

    >The should've steamrolled the galaxy by now.

    Thats assuming they give even half a shit about the rest of the galaxy. The Geth are artificial creatures, their world view is likely very different from a biologicals. Their goals and ambitions could be extremely alien.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:01 No.8227593
         File1266872500.jpg-(115 KB, 864x420, Sentinels_by_riq.jpg)
    115 KB
    Okay shepard, while you keep the quarian occupied. Me, Sheppard , Sheppard and Sheppard are going to go in and kick the Turians ass.

    And tap Garrus ass.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:03 No.8227620

    Aren't you assuming that the geth would be constrained by what is practically possible by todays standards ? Quantum computers are theoretically feasible and would be magnitudes faster than our current chisel-chips and the geth have a whole civilization at their disposal. So upgrading the hardware of a couple of million geth would be a an easy task.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:06 No.8227655
    I've never heard of EP past this thread, but humanity seems fuck-all advanced.

    Why wouldn't these megacorps just steamroll the council by putting all their "hostage" minds into cheap fighters and sending them to war? Offer the minds a bounty for each ship they bring down or something like that. That'd be a huge incentive for the bodyless.
    >> Garrus Vakarian 02/22/10(Mon)16:09 No.8227700
         File1266872993.jpg-(65 KB, 411x337, 1266000551315.jpg)
    65 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:12 No.8227744

    That may be true. The Geth don't have hormones and normal animal survival instincts aside from that moment of self defense to protect themselves from being shut down by their Quarian creators. While they'll protect themselves the biological inefficiencies involved in turning matter into energy into thought and action are streamlined for the Geth.

    EP Sol system Transhumans might be a subject species of one of the Citadel Council powers. Asari fascination with Transhumans. so able to accept oblivion for the convenience of a copy existing elsewhere may pull on their parthenogenic heartstrings a bit.

    tldr: Asari <3 Transhumanity, while Geth are nearly computonium.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:14 No.8227769
    Resources might be a major constraint. I mean nanofabrication makes the construction easy, but getting the materials might be a challenge. Then the outer system might not like a hypercorp buildup; those ships would have to go through their space.

    In an unrelated note, the EP GM pack just came out. Is that a Creative Commons release like the corebook?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:15 No.8227782
    Could transhumans join the Geth collective intelligence? Could Geth become individually intelligent by working with EP humans?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:24 No.8227912
    There has to be a Sheppard/Garrus Garrus/Sheppard Sheppard/Wrex version out there
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:24 No.8227919

    I don't know if humans would be compatible if they were originally such. A mind copied from an organic mind to a synthetic one still carries the same configurations that allow it to express that information as the same person.

    Perhaps an infomorph Ai could 'emulate' Geth protocols and handshaking and almost create a data 'morph' to interact on the hivemind level. Would proubably be easier to fork another copy of oneself, format it to Geth and reel it back in every once in a while to get human readable accounts of the current gestalt consensus.

    This being EP touching the ME universe insanity and property damage are likely.

    Geth becoming individually intelligent seems at odds with their entire frame of existence. I won't spoil you in plot details but there are examples of Geth networks being made portable and thusly having an easier time in interacting and appearing as a single cohesive unit.

    tldr: People becoming geth = EP crazytime. Geth using morphs as network platforms A-OK.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:27 No.8227978
         File1266874064.jpg-(279 KB, 749x1000, d0015188_19584698.jpg)
    279 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:47 No.8228230

    Have a source on that picture good man?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:50 No.8228266
         File1266875402.jpg-(769 KB, 1700x893, Searching_by_AndreeWallin.jpg)
    769 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:51 No.8228282
    Found it in a forum.
    they are posting EP inspirational stuff.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)16:56 No.8228342
    I started reading the EP core book, shit is grimdark man ;_;
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:06 No.8228492
    Wait till you get to the Exsurgent Virus.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:12 No.8228561
         File1266876773.jpg-(539 KB, 1680x1050, ScreenShot001.jpg)
    539 KB
    It's this one, is it?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:41 No.8229071
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:45 No.8229124
    Yeah, thats the only EP book so far. Physical copy just came out last October, though the pdf was available before then.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:46 No.8229131
    Combo setting would basically come down to, instead of Pandora Gates, the TITANS uncovered and used the Relay to skip town, along with a handful of Conduit-type Relays where EP had Gates. Exsurgent Virus is obviously the work of the Reapers. Running the First Contact War along similar lines could work out similarly, until transhumans and AIs hack the Turian fleet and turn that orbital bombardment they dropped every time the human resistance showed it's head around on them. By the time the reinforcements arrive the Turians will be wondering what "the hell" they've gotten them selves into.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:49 No.8229159
    Given the unease the Council races feel about AIs, their opinions fairly mirror the Factors in that regard.
    Humanity might get held more at arms reach compared to ME standard.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:55 No.8229248
    Also, nanoswarms. The Mass Effect universe seems to have fuck-all nanotechnology compared to EP. Just make a disassembler nanocloud and send it at whatever you want to die.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)17:59 No.8229297
    I don't know much about EP but from what I gathered in EP setting humans have extremely powerful AIs while Council races ban all kinds of AI. But at the same time Council depends heavily on technology leaving them extremely weak against humans in that regard. I think even with small numbers, limited resources and weak fleet humans would win any fight in matter of minutes. Since even personal arms and protection in Mass Effect depend on computers Council races are utterly fucked.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:00 No.8229309
    So. Replace Mass Effect's Humanity with X-Com's FUK YEAR Humanity.

    Let's see the story unfold NOW.
    >> No Man 02/22/10(Mon)18:02 No.8229338
    What about the jovian biological humans?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:28 No.8229665
    So, basically you are replacing ME Humanity with FUCK YEAR REBEL HUMANITY!

    its almost the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:30 No.8229686
    I mean RENEGADE.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:30 No.8229696
    Jovians basically act like the human supremacists in ME. Like the Terra Firma or whatever that group is called.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:45 No.8229886
         File1266882328.jpg-(412 KB, 696x939, Jane_by_AndreeWallin.jpg)
    412 KB
    Are you sure guys this is all left?.

    Might as well post some fanfiction I found the other day, its only 2 chapters so far. But I think I need your opinions to see how is it going. Personally i think he's downplaying transhumanity a bit too much.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:52 No.8230003
    And that is...
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:54 No.8230020
    They saw humans wandering up to a mass effect relay and just opening it the fuck up.

    Last time somebody pulled that shit the Rachni Wars happened.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)18:58 No.8230071
    >BATTLECRABS are productive members of human society

    Unfamiliar with Eclipse Phrase.
    Picturing gladiatorial pubic lice.
    Not sure if I want to be corrected.
    >> Prologue: Eclipsed After Fall 11 Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:15 No.8230282
    He was old. Old enough to have remembered a time when having an invisible friend meant that you were either a child or insane, a time when people still used keyboards, a time before corporations became a military and political power in their own right, and a time when "saving the human race from extinction" had meant turning off the lights at night and walking instead of driving to work. A time before 95% of humanity had died, in an apocalyptic scenario that had exceeded all expectations. He was old enough to remember exactly what he was fighting for.

    A time when he was just a famous professor of history instead of being afraid enough to have expended nearly all of his current income on combat upgrades and VR training. A time when his job description wasn't "being Indiana Jones." A time when more people remembered who Indiana Jones was without a mesh search. A time before Firewall had existed. Doctor Nikolas Athanastasios would have sighed, if his heavily modified synth body was capable of it. Intellectually, he knew it was mere insecurity, a realization at how close death had came, that had pushed him to this edge. It was just PTSD, a form of which all too many suffered from. It didn't change a thing.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:16 No.8230301

    The room was empty, yet there was one more in it, one only he could see. Most preferred their muse to take a form pleasing to the eye, of a gender they were sexually attracted to. For Nikolas that was a mere secondary concern, and his muse took the form of a medieval knight in full plate, the only concession to aesthetics being facial features and the missing helmet. "You have recieved a new message over farcaster. Encryption key matches with Firewall high-level code. Priority Code ARGENT REQUIEM." The almost-sentient AI glanced at him with a concerned look on its virtual face.

    It wasn't like Katar to fail to make small talk, but neither of them had seen a priority code in their entire careers. In a reputation-based social and economic web, a priority code was easily worth billions of any currency in the old economy. Nikolas was expected to expend any resource he possibly could acquire in the efforts of assisting this effort. "What the hell's the priority code for and what do they need?"
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:17 No.8230310
    "Firewall learned of an operation in the TQZ by a team of combat archaeologists a while ago. These guys were high-grade professionals, probably hypercorp backed. Battlesuits, plasma rifles, all Direct Action designs and in their restricted catalogue too. They were supposed to be looking for the reason the TITANs machines didn't stray out of the area." The doctor nodded. The TITAN Quarantine Zone had been a mystery-although it was populated heavily with advanced self-replicating war machines, the machines rarely strayed. Originally the Total Information Tactical Awareness Networks had been designed as a strategic weapon as the defunct United States of America looked towards cooling relations between it, the Chinese, and the European Union. A Netwar AI of that level could be a new strategic deterrent as the potential of nuclear weaponry to deter war plummeted. What the three major power blocs had gotten in return for their research in self-improving seed AI had instead been their annihilation in nuclear fire and nanoplague. The machines had left before they had exterminated all of transhumanity though. The reason was unknown. "And as to what they need? They need a historian. Our Erasure Squad has secured what the hypercorp tac-team was looking for, but they're surrounded and cut off. They have a successful farcast link so what you're going to do is ghostride. We need you to do a spot check." Athanatasios was still a historian, and in the eleven years he had, he had become a leading expert in the TITANs and the Fall. He lectured, he did research, and he occasionally got into gunfights. And ometimes the job involved combat archaeology, riding a body not under his direct control. Nikolas shuddered.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:19 No.8230330
    "All right. Jacking in for ghostride." He sat down roughly, the adaptive material of the chair flexing to absorb the weight of the armored machine body. Nikolas closed his eyes, watching the upload bar crawl slowly right and then-

    Blackness. Confusion. Grogginess. And he was there, having shed his physical body. He was sharing another's body, watching the world crawl by at the speed only an infomorph or neurachemed up bio could achieve. It was an uncomfortable sensation, being imprisoned in a body with no freedom to move. Had he been in a biological body his pulse and respiration rates would have been racing to dangerous levels. Here he was merely shocked.

    "Glad to have you around, Quixote!" They didn't know his real name. He didn't know their real names either. Firewall might be working for transhumanity's survival but they were still extralegal (at least in the inner system), and sometimes transhuman survival required decisions that could not be achieved in a legal framework. "This is Spatha. Glad to have you here. I need you to check some data and see if we're not just seeing things." Nikolas blinked, and then realized he was in a cavern, seeing with lidar and terahertz wave scanning. He could check the same status reports as Spatha could, and at once he recognized the sensory feeds and the body silhouette. He was wearing a Reaper combat frame, a war machine packing the armor and firepower of a light armored vehicle in a streamlined, roughly disc-shaped body that was only marginally larger than a human.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:19 No.8230339
    The Reaper was standing now, on extruded legs. If it needed speed, it could switch to thrust-vectored engines or ionic repulsion and retract its limbs for streamlining. If Spatha wished to be stealthy, the warbot could stealthily crawl around on undulations of its skin. It carried four independently targeting and tracking sensors/weapons stalks. Its very skin was armor, ear, eye, and nose at once. It was a formidable weapons platform-but only barely enough to stand against TITAN war machines. Fighting its way in, it had been damaged quite heavily-one of its four legs had been torn off at the body, a sensors stalk had been holed, and dozens of angry red scores marked where railgun fire had glanced off. A molten weal in its side showed where a plasma rifle shot had penetrated.

    The cavern was something Nikolas wasn't familiar with, though. It was an enormous underground facility, housing unfamiliar looking technology. Much like a parasitical fungus, TITAN nanomachinery had grown over the technology in patches, extruding veinlike probes in and through the contents of the cavern. "It doesn't look TITAN at first glance, but I need more than that. Give me some time to look through the analyses." The professor looked over the information that scans had trawled, rereading again and again. "Going to do some additional scans because this is definitely not expected. Thermoluminescence says that whatever this machinery is, it dates over 50,000 years old. Then you have the TITAN technology, but it's clearly been added in recently and later. Look at how it grows in here and here." Red circles marked the locations where the silicon and iron tubes had grown into ancient artifacts, and the subtle veins where it had started to assimilate or analyze the machinery. "Multiple independent tests confirm all results." Nikolas stated flatly. He was far too surprised for any actual display of emotion.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:21 No.8230372
    "So this is either active xenotech, or the TITANs have time travel." Spatha sent. She didn't quite believe it either.

    "Time travel doesn't make sense. Why is the TITANs stuff obviously newer? Molecular disassembly of the stuff also shows it to be a lot different-hell, I'm even getting an unknown element in the spectrometry readings. If the TITANs built it long before, it'd have been self-maintaining, with active nano or even active femto if the rumors are right. The composition is all wrong to be TITANs, the machinery proper's actually dead, and if it was TITANs they wouldn't need to invade it to get it to work for them. If it was TITANs as well, why would they be guarding it and analyzing the machinery? Only possibility is that it's active xenotech. You were right, I wouldn't believe the conclusions if you just sent data. Active xenotech, a new element, and evidence of ancient aliens? No wonder the hypercorps wanted it." Nikolas choked out. "You think the factors know who made this? They said something about galactic society." Nikolas asked. Curiosity had overwhelmed fear and awe, at least for the moment.

    "Even if they do, I bet they won't tell us." Spatha replied. She was wrong about that. On the other hand, as an Extropian, she might have been better off had they not given the answers. She could not have known what this discovery would lead to, thirty years down the line.

    The Prothean ruins that they had stumbled into, after all, were an outside context problem even to a peoples who knew about the faster-than-light Pandora Gates, psi, and extinct alien species.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:22 No.8230380
    Just me, or did anyone else end up playing Level 3 psi characters who, while bonkers, could affect things at a solid distance and muck with mechanical stuff? Delta slights were awesome.
    >> Prologue 2: Entosis After Fall 21 Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:27 No.8230451
    Former Titan Quarantine Zone
    "And whatever the hell this is, it isn't human. Or TITAN." Andrea Levant mentioned, motioning at the alien machinery in the caverns.

    Four years, most of them spent slowly rolling back the TQZ with nuclear weapons and mass driver bombardments, sterilizing what remained with carpet EMP bombardment, and still the area was merely considered "safe". The revelation that we had not been alone in the solar system had brought on unprecedented cooperation between the Tharsis League and the Planetary Consortium, and had stunned the rest of transhumanity into silence. Even the Jovians were being polite throughout this whole deal. They were only doing it because they were afraid of transhumanity unearthing alien death-rays though, Andrea thought.

    She wore body armor equipped with an immune system and self-repair, the better to avoid contamination by stray TITAN nanotechnology. It had happened a few times, even after sterilization of the area, and she knew that if she was infected, the mercenaries behind her, standing ready in the armored shells of powered battle armor, were not there for her safety, but rather to ensure that the infection did not spread.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:45 No.8230768
    "Are you done yet? You're here to examine technology, not their writing." One of them called over the comms. They had barely made progress in decoding the function of the technology yet-it had only been recently that they had unlocked the secrets of powering the machinery up. Even the basic vagaries of user interface had been difficult to achieve. Andrea was here because she was an async, a psi. Infected by a mutant strain the TITAN-constructed Exsurgent virus, they had abilities that defied conventional understanding.

    She could make snap judgements that were just as accurate as if they had been debated for hours, she could instinctively identify how to work machinery, and she was better at pattern recognition than even an AGI. Advantages that no non-async could replicate, short of a seed AI, and those didn't exist anymore. She wasn't even a trained scientist-her day job was as support for Direct Action. The Consortium was just press-ganging every async it could get its hands on to crack this technology as soon as possible. "Reclaiming transhumanity's strength would require every edge it could get, and a few sacrifices would need to be made", according to them. It was the public reason why she had been ordered to farcast to Mars, take a Mentat morph of the wrong gender instead of the Fury she wore most of the time, and pore over dead aliens. Even with the enhanced aggression and ferocity of the Fury giving way to the calm logic of the Mentat, she was angrier than she had ever been in her life.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:49 No.8230818
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:50 No.8230837
    According to her, it was all bullshit covering the PC's profit motive. She doubted they'd share it with anyone, but she didn't care. She was not paid to care, nor was she paid to wonder how her altered mind could decode an alien language with no reference points to start with. Her understanding didn't matter as much as what she found did.

    "Well isn't that just fucking lovely? Whoever these people are, they built the mother of all Pandora Gates. And it's right in the middle of AA territory."

    "Autonomists Alliance? We can just roll them over given this. Maybe deal with the Jovians."

    "Fuck the Jovians. AA might be a bunch of crazy ideologues, but the Jovians are just scary. Couldn't ever stand bioconservatism. I wonder how they deal with the knowledge that they'll eventually die." Andrea said.

    "Religion, babe. You might try looking into it. Especially given what we're looking at today."

    "Well aren't you just the best little evangelist who ever lived, Meru?" Andrea shot back.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:51 No.8230851
    "Shouldn't you be concentrating on your long-dead little green men?" Meru asked. "We all cope with stress differently. Some of us take solace in religion. Some of us take up drugs and empty sex. Some of us," he waggled a diamondoid-armored finger at Andrea, "just become really bitchy."

    "I've got enough spare mental capacity in this morph to work on the ruins, defeat you in a battle of wits, and run a copy of your ego at the same time. Although the third isn't much of a mental feat."

    "Ouch. Anything you found besides that, though?"

    "Location, methods of activation, and most interestingly enough, I think that this ruin contains plans for an actual, no-shit FTL drive, using that wacky unobtanium that they've discovered in the TQZ. I think that we're going to be getting a bit of a workout, or at least our warships are. We need this. It's the only way we can survive another catastrophe."

    "And we also need their supergate, right?"
    >> After Fall 24 Experia News Network Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:52 No.8230866
    After Fall 24
    Experia News Network

    The signing of the Luna Accords has gone well as the Autonomist Alliance and other political power blocs have accepted ceding rights to the Charon Mass Relay to public domain use in exchange for reduced restrictions on inner system Pandora Gate travel...

    ...Factor representatives have been asked about galactic society and the Mass Relays but have given no comment to ENN. They have however, confirmed that they do in fact use the Mass Relays, and have confirmed the existence of at least one other Mass Relay within 10 light-years of earth...

    ...Hackers from Autonomist Alliance-controlled habitats have infiltrated Planetary Consortium datastreams with anti-Luna Accord propaganda, stating that the Relay "should not be given to those who will use it to exert control over all sentient life, discovered and undiscovered..."

    ...Response to the Accords is favorable in the Planetary Consortium, with 82% of a weighted vote being in favor of the new "tone of pan-human co-operation in response to a new frontier." In other news, stocks in nanofabrication and biotechnology companies have grown rapidly in response to announcements of a new wave of exoplanet colonization by use of the Charon Mass Relay.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:53 No.8230881
    ...The Jovian Junta has announced that it will complete its newest warships the JSV Sarah Palin and the JSV Ayn Rand by AF 25, with ten more hulls of varying mass planned for this year. In response to concern about this heavy military buildup, Jovian Admiral Gordon Alvarez has stated in response to Autonomist Alliance, Lunar-Lagrange Alliance, and Planetary Consortium questioners that "the fleet is entirely built to defend humanity from an alien threat. We have a Charon already, we need a Cerberus to secure the gates against anyone who might attack using them. We do not intend, and have never intended, to do more than build a defensive military so that humanity can sleep safe and sound."
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)19:58 No.8230942
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)19:58 No.8230945
         File1266886718.jpg-(84 KB, 658x860, 1255480518646.jpg)
    84 KB
    Before I start, I'm going to establish a few premises.

    1. Eclipse Phase transhuman history is exactly what it is in the book until 10AF, the only excluded items being the Factor first contact(which is completely disregarded) and the origin of the Exsurgent Virus(Which is left to be a mystery).

    2. Mass Effect history is exactly what it was until the First Contact War (Relay 314 Incident, according to the Turians.)

    With Mars being within the purview of the Planetary Consortium, it is only logical to conclude that they would have discovered the Prothean ruins, attached Eezo reserves, and mass effect technology. Obviously, the Consortium would keep a really tight lid on the whole discovery for as long as they can - which won't be very long.

    Autonomist elements performing any expected amount of skulduggery in hypercorp affairs will notice the obvious signs of a cover-up, and the direction of personnel and resources to something on mars. It is then only a matter of time until spies (Firewall, Argonauts, ect.) discover information about the Prothean ruins, enough to realize that it is a find rivaling that of the Pandora Gates.
    >> After Fall 34 Octagon, Earth Orbit Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:00 No.8230967
    The briefing room had a single window, currently facing Earth and the network of quarantine weapons satellites facing it. Even with her body's ocular augmentation, she couldn't make out the scar where a LLA mass driver had "suppressed" a gathering of TITAN machinery with extreme prejudice, roughly in the middle of North America on the blue marble that had been humanity's home for millenia. At this distance, it looked almost inviting. She wondered if that was what the first spacers had thought of the orb, before the briefer started to speak, snapping her out of her reverie.

    "As you know, the Planetary Consortium has been making several exocolonies on the Pandora Gates, some of which have been reconnected without Pandora Gate use due to the treaties that have made the Charon Mass Relay public to all. This has led to colonization of several planets in this area of space. We have good news and bad news. The good news is, we've made first contact with another alien species, and they all seem a lot less alien and different than the Factors. Bipedal." Captain Ibrahim al-Asad looked at the assembled group, waiting for any reaction. There was none, as he expected. "The bad news? They're hostile. First, we lost contact with the personnel attempting to reactivate Mass Relay Rho-5, designated here. As of 0900 hours yesterday, four vessels approached the exocolony of Elysium nearby, not responding to hails. The vessels engaged and destroyed the orbital defense network set up for exactly this eventuality. In response, the use of emergency QE bandwidth was authorized."
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:01 No.8230979
    That got a response. Using Quantum-Entangled bandwidth was expensive and unusual. So was an alien invasion, although the possibility had become far more .

    He continued. "Reports show that the missiles the defense network launched were intercepted, none of them closing closer than thirty kilometers to the unknown vessel. Laser-based ODPs were more successful, inflicting light damage on one. The vessels then proceeded to land troops in approximately battalion-strength who overwhelmed the few Direct Action forces stationed in-system." He knew already that his subordinates would be watching footage of this, sent via expensive QE-link. "As you can see, what we know is that the soldiers were equipped with full body armor as well as some kind of... energy shield which deflected projectile weaponry. There is a lack of shield effects against pulse laser weaponry but the armor itself has protected against these weapons systems, and no losses were inflicted on the enemy. Furthermore, the enemy is present in at least battalion-strength, supported by armor."

    "So is this going to be some kind of suicide mission?"
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:12 No.8231124
    "Not at all. You're not there to take the colony back. There is in fact a Pandora Gate on Elysium." There were often Pandora Gates leading to areas close to Mass Relays, for some inscrutable reason. The commonality of technology between the two FTL devices was difficult to discern, as both were, as far as either could tell, mostly made of exotic matter, computation system and spacetime-warping device all in one. Both were apparently powered by Element Zero, as hypercorp scientists had coined it, and both had similar effects. "This will, in theory, allow us to insert a covert strike team to deal with the problem. A relief fleet will be mustered from Hypercorp assets eventually, but our priority is not the rescue of the colonists. It is the capture of any and all xenofacts possible and evacuation to the Gate. As far as we can guess, they're going to be tough customers, so you'll all be going in in adaptive-camo battlesuits and toting heavy weapons. Multishot thermobaric launchers, plasma rifles, so on. From what colony surveillance has picked up, they have not secured the Pandora Gate, which means they won't know you're there until you start shooting. From then, you will proceed to attempt to capture xenofacts for reverse engineering ASAP. We will equip squad leaders with QE comms to send data found back. Pick up what you can, drag it to the gate, and get back ASAP. We can keep the gate open for exactly 18 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds. You have that long to evac. If you cannot, you will notice that on the list of issued equipment, there is a covert operations deadman's switch installed, with an additional user toggle. In the event of potential capture you are to autoeuthanize given that we have no idea of alien technology or if they have asyncs of their own. Back yourself up before mission."

    "Engagement protocol?" Meru asked.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:13 No.8231133
    "All assets expendable, as said. We need that military edge they have, if we want to beat the Jovians and those AA guys. They've also heard of the whole thing and they're volunteering assets for the relief fleet. Everyone wants what they have, and we need to get it first. We need everything they've got, and I mean everything. I don't care if it's guns, armor, magic bullshit energy shields, death rays, toolkits, or whatever their equivalent of mesh porno is. If they've got it I want it."

    "Yes sir!" The group stood at attention and filed out of the briefing room, barely sobered by the realization that this was a suicide mission. Death was cheap in the Planetary Consortium, especially when Direct Action paid all your resleeving bills.
    >> After Fall 34 Research Station 443 Pluto Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:13 No.8231145
    She struggled to take a breath in the first moment as consciousness returned, then realized that the metal chest of her new body was unmoving. Another synthetic. Martin, she told her muse, proceed with morph self diagnostic. Data scrolled down her field of vision, noting makes and models of high-end cyberware bought from a dozen different sources, patched together to create Frankenstein's monster. Firewall normally didn't spend that level of resources, she thought. "Adaptive camouflage, white-noise generation, shielded powersource, quieted joints, high-density myomer, and heavy carbon-composite armor. And you've splurged for as much cognition acceleration and enhancement as you could pack into a synth brain. You could probably infiltrate a TITAN facility with this and leave them wondering what happened. Very nice, Prophet."

    "Spatha, I see you're acclimatizing well to your new body. It is a work of art, isn't it?" Prophet asked. The proxy's voice was flat and emotionless, like a particularly dumb AI. It was an affectation.

    "I'm all right, Prophet. This is a really nice piece of kit though. How much did it cost? And what's it going to cost me?"

    "Enough." Prophet said. She could never tell who the proxy was. She suspected that "he" was an AGI, but there was never anything to confirm or deny it.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:14 No.8231158
    "To skip the pleasantries, because this is very critical, we've just faced our first bona fide alien invasion. And if the Factors are connected to galactic society, they'd probably have a decent guess of why we just got invaded. Of course, for the last twenty years, we've been asking them about galactic society and they've been blowing us off or providing nonanswers, like how those extinct aliens were called 'Protheans' or that the Mass Relays often lead to inhabitable worlds, and that there are aliens who we would meet 'in time'. We don't know what they're playing at, and frankly that's not important. We're going to send an emissary to the Factors to find out what they know. That emissary is you."

    "I thought Factor computers were unhackable by any transhuman-built software? Totally different hardware and software." She looked around, drinking the sparse, airless room in on various spectra, and then continued. "Always thought the amoebas were dicking us around. They show up purposely without any FTL systems, just to make sure we don't question, they don't tell us the importance of the TQZ, and they don't tell us that there are hostile fucking aliens in the galaxy. What the hell's their game?"

    "They are. We're going to give you a specialized tool- a causality-cascade quantum processing device. If you can interface the device with their secure systems, any security they possess will not hold. We just need you to get it into their secured databanks."
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:16 No.8231188

    "Causality-cascade quantum processing? Look, I'm not dumb, and I know infosec, but you're talking technobabble. I know the meaning of all four of those words, but when you put them together you get gibberish. I get from context it's a magic weapon but it'd be nice to know how to swing this magic sword." Resleeving always made her impatient. Resleeving into a high-end combat morph made it even worse. It was entirely psychosomatic, given that her new body didn't even have hormones, but that made the reaction no less real.

    "To put it bluntly, it can compute any possible problem in zero time. It will not fail. See to it you don't, and the mission will be successful." Prophet insisted.

    "Spatha" considered the possibility that Prophet was lying, rejected it instantly given the situation, and considered what the Factors' reasoning was for keeping transhumanity so out of the loop. Were they trying to minimize their influence, or were they simply trying to get rid of transhumanity?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:16 No.8231198
         File1266887801.jpg-(9 KB, 248x240, Al-Assad.jpg)
    9 KB

    Oh shi-
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:18 No.8231234
    Aaaaaand thats it!

    that is all there is so far.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)20:22 No.8231295
         File1266888147.jpg-(231 KB, 650x919, 1251524069530.jpg)
    231 KB

    I think that it is safe to conclude that, between the AA and the PC, the PC is going to have greater military resources than the AA. On the inverse, while the AA might not be equipped for a stand-up military engagement as a whole, the ability to wage information warfare is going to be vastly superior than that of the PC (taking into account morphological and cognitive freedoms, and the necessities of continued existence and defense).

    The hypercorps of the Planetary Consortium are going to find out about the Charon Mass Relay based on information in the Mars ruins, and obviously mount a military operation to acquire it for themselves. For the sake of dramatic timing, the Autonomist's Alliance (spearheaded by members of the Argonauts and Firewall,) are going to stage an virtual attack to break into hypercorp networks and acquire all that the intel that the PC has gathered about the Prothean Ruins.

    For the sake of plot, the AA's attack was successful. Through a combination of internal sabotage, a plethora of talented and dedicated individuals working in solidarity, and even Promethean intervention, the Autonomist Alliance smash through hypercorp defenses and acquire the data - including information about the impending action to grab the Charon relay.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)20:26 No.8231360
         File1266888398.jpg-(22 KB, 150x150, ponderousavatar.jpg)
    22 KB
    I wonder if I should continue, of if I'm just boring you motherfuckers.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 02/22/10(Mon)20:27 No.8231379
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:30 No.8231408
         File1266888632.jpg-(1.62 MB, 2843x3999, 1266251782764.jpg)
    1.62 MB
    I'm still reading, though I'm wondering were you're planning on going with this.

    So whats the plan, Contagonist?

    Have a space jew.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:36 No.8231505
    Continue my good gentleman

    perhaps we can make this Archive worthy
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:36 No.8231508
    Sir, I would buy fucking 20 of these books if this were real.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)20:49 No.8231698
         File1266889770.jpg-(141 KB, 800x540, d2fc120e7a6335984645225a60c7ae(...).jpg)
    141 KB
    Alrighty then, I have at least one reader.


    It is then at this point that things get interesting. The Autonomist Alliance, knowing about the impending Charon seizure, and the ramifications of such an event (the Planetary Consortium for the most part monopolizing the future of transhumanity's destiny in the galaxy), are faced with a difficult choice.

    1: Do nothing, and have the hypercorporations sieze even greater control over transhuman future.

    2: Attempt to negotiate, and make mass effect technology open-source and the Charon relay public domain.

    3: If all else fails, engage in all-out war, and seize Charon for themselves.

    Option 3 was made possible only because of the attack's startling success - the previously monolithic Planetary Consortium's best defenses had been laid to waste. The networked efforts of hundreds, maybe thousands of potent hackers, AI's, their forks, and the Prometheans themselves had reached into the deepest parts of the PC and emerged with all they knew about mass effect technology, and the impending Charon seizure.

    They could, in short order, shut down the Planetary Consortium.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:51 No.8231742
    No motherfucker, you have at least 3 readers.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:52 No.8231761
    Ah, your so called "entertaining writefaggery".
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:53 No.8231771
    Prometheans are long gone, several thousand years ago. I doubt they would be helping out with the hacking.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:54 No.8231793
    you shut up.

    carry on my good gentleman.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:55 No.8231810
         File1266890102.jpg-(307 KB, 562x942, 1266357074379.jpg)
    307 KB
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:55 No.8231816
    I think you are talking about the Protheans.

    The Prometheans are something else.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)20:57 No.8231861
    Oops, silly me.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)21:07 No.8232038
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)21:09 No.8232067
    Writefag, please continue with the story. I want to know what happens when they make real contact with the Turians.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)21:14 No.8232135
         File1266891258.jpg-(406 KB, 1200x1600, a7bf32fe2527ff5837ace658ff88f2(...).jpg)
    406 KB

    However, such a course of action would force the PC to respond with equivalent force, though, in realspace.

    While the AA infomilitary (Yay! new words!) can severely damage and disrupt (if not outright destroy, by forcing powerplants to go critical, shutting down life support, choking local mesh networks with garbage, ect.) domestic hypercorp interests, the PC military could devastate Autonomist space-based and planetary resources and habitats. It would boil down to a mutually assured destruction scenario, which is exactly what transhumanity does not need.

    So, with their newly found leverage, and Autonomist Alliance would pursue a public-domain policy regarding everything involving mass effect technology. The Planetary Consortium and the Autonomist Alliance would then enter extensive negotiations taking into account the implications of these discoveries. When these talks conclude, both will realize that, for the forseeable future, some degree of co-operation will benefit transhumanity as a whole. While there will be a slant favoring the PC in regards to colonization rights and findings, simply because they are more capable of facilitating exploration, colonization, and defense.

    Behind the scenes, both Firewall and Project Ozma will be working separately, but in paralell, knowing that a united humanity has a greater chance at defending itself from whatever existential risks are out there in the galaxy. They will be influencing the decision-makers of the two power blocs to agree to a co-operative relationship.

    Meanwhile, the Jovian Republics are shitting their pants, because the gene-spliced-cyber monsters are unifying. Jingoism will reign supreme and the Junta will obviously scale up their military production.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)21:32 No.8232406
         File1266892359.jpg-(122 KB, 560x560, 038880366f7be2c74c2d26ac3902ed(...).jpg)
    122 KB


    Eventually, the Autonomist Alliance and the Planetary Consortium will construct an agreement not unlike the Autonomist Alliance's own founding ideology - a voluntary pact of mutual defense and scientific research regarding mass effect science and technology, and potential alien encounters. This will be considered a major victory for the Argonauts, who heavily mediated the negotiations. Project Ozma and Firewall will also see this as a major boon for transhumanity's survival, but out of ignorance will continue to see each other as sinister conspiracies for the near future.

    For the sake of unified settings, the Planetary Consortium and Autonomist Alliance's agreement will be known as the System's Alliance.

    From then on, Earth's neighboring systems will be explored and colonized, but at a significantly more cautious pace than in Mass Effect.

    Again, Firewall and Ozma will be working in mutually ignorant tandem.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)21:34 No.8232421
    Four readers now.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)21:47 No.8232597

    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)21:59 No.8232787
         File1266893985.jpg-(290 KB, 1269x769, 1251346672555.jpg)
    290 KB
    Don't worry, First Contact War is coming up next.


    As habitable worlds are colonized, the ties binding the System's Alliance become tighter. In Sol, a major facility is established on Extropia (a logical choice, seeing as how it previously acted as the economic and cultural gateway between the inner and outer systems) to act as the headquarters for colonization efforts, and as a neutral ground for negotiation, ploicy making, and co-operative research. It essentially becomes the capital of the System's Alliance.

    Transhumanity gradually becomes more and more optimistic. The two largest, and previously, most bitter power blocs in the Sol system have come together out of existential necessity, and transhumanity is overall better for it. The greater resources and subsequent labor demand grants a massive boon to the millions of infugees that once overcrowded orbital habitats. Indentured service contracts grew shorter and more amicable to provide sufficient intelligent labor to settle the newly found habitable worlds. Transhuman birthrates start to show an increase as a positive future becomes more and more real.

    However, Firewall quickly came to the conclusion that colonizing adjacent star systems presented an existential catch-22: mass effect technology is greatly aiding transhumanity recover from the fall, but a greater presence in the galaxy might expose transhumanity to other existential risks. And the question about the ultimate fate of the Protheans manifests dark implications.

    Firewall will move to establish covert, semi-permanent presences on each transhuman colony, with a true quantum-entanglement communicator on each world for rapid emergency communication.

    In addition, Project Ozma will press the Planetary Consortium, and by extension, the System's Alliance, to boost the production and development of weapons of war, in the event of a hostile first contact.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:03 No.8232836
         File1266894206.jpg-(151 KB, 900x316, so great.jpg)
    151 KB
    >this thread
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:07 No.8232889
    I am already looking how to archive this on suptg.(never archived anything before.)
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:29 No.8233235
         File1266895792.jpg-(32 KB, 633x356, (☞゚ヮ゚)☞.jpg)
    32 KB
    Continue my good sir.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)22:35 No.8233318
         File1266896112.jpg-(424 KB, 1680x1050, 1253803205679.jpg)
    424 KB

    Eventually, a System's Alliance scout fleet will re-activate a Mass Relay in the vicinity of the colony Shanxi. This will be done under the watch of a Turian patrol force, who will open fire on the Alliance ships. One escapes to the colony, and notifies the inhabitants of what transpired. The System's Alliance will reinforce the position and destroy the Turian patrol fleet, and the situation quickly escalates into all out war.

    Despite the rapid advances transhumanity made in mass effect technology and weapon systems, the Turians still had the upper hand in space combat. In ground engagements, events unfolded much differently.

    Combat Synthmorphs and biomorphs grossly outmatched the capabilities of Turians. Stealth morphs infiltrated behind enemy lines and destroyed surface supply caches and bases. Destructive nano-swarms and adaptive plagues were used to make Turian ground assets and manpower literally dissolve. Firefight engagements also went poorly for the invaders, as Reaver morphs outperformed Turian infantry and armor. The groundwar was so lost to the invaders, that whatever survivors were able to retreat did so, and commanding officers seriously considered bombarding the surface of the planet from orbit in the face of such a threat.

    Meanwhile, Firewall agents were busy salvaging whatever alien battlefield technology they could recover, and analyzed what they found extensively. They concluded that the invaders made extensive use of networked-battlefield technologies, but could not yet exploit them due to the fact that they could not reverse-engineer the operating systems in a reasonable amount of time.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:43 No.8233432
    Well how does the council react to the humans? Do they stop the war? How is Transhumanity's relationship with the Krogan or the Quarians?

    What do the Geth think of all this?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:46 No.8233470
    patience my child. all in due time.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)22:52 No.8233581
         File1266897175.jpg-(242 KB, 848x1200, 1251349450139.jpg)
    242 KB
    (Now, keep in mind the tendency that technologies have to converge. When once computers were run by a plethora of OSs, they are now predominantly Windows machines. I am making an educated assumption in that the NetBat equipment used by Turian infantry and vehicles is similar enough to those used by their ships and Command, Control, and Communication [or C3] systems that they can be backhacked.)


    Considering that this was not only a first contact scenario, but also a very hostile one, this group of Firewall agents were given number one priority on Firewall's QE network, and requisitioned help to try to brute-force reverse engineer the invader's information systems.

    The Prometheans quickly got involved, and produced a software system that the firewall agents could use to attempt to hack the invader's information technology.

    Turian reinforcements arrived and started to orbitally bombard major population centers on Shanxi.

    Faced with losing the colony to an alien threat and possibly opening the door for even more attacks, the Firewall agents quickly worked to set up as potent a computing environment as possible. Within hours they scratch-built a landline connected network of machines designed to be the ultimate information-warfare attack platform.

    Meanwhile, non-technical agents orchestrated the 'escape' of a few captured Turians, and their exodus via a salvaged but functional transport shuttle: the same transport shuttle's computer systems being infected a potent virus designed to place as many back-door exploits as possible in the Turian C3 networks.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)22:56 No.8233626
         File1266897378.jpg-(315 KB, 800x863, 1252555010148.jpg)
    315 KB

    The info-war specialist Firewall agents launched a concentrated attack after the shuttle docked and uploaded the virus, and were surprised at how easily the invader's intrusion systems were bypassed and nullified.

    Mind you, up to this point, transhuman warfare has been waged on both real and virtual space. It is logical to assume that transhumanity's capacity for electronic warfare will far outstrip that of the council races' (save for the Quarians). This is compounded by the fact that the attacking Firewall agents would have been uploaded into their attack platform as informorphs, with alpha and beta level forks being made as quickly as needed until the Turian systems were hopelessly overwhelmed by the sheer volume of attack vectors.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)22:57 No.8233637
    Okay this game actually sounds kind of awesome now. Is it new?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:03 No.8233698
    The ETI would be something incredibly scary if or when everyone realizes they exist, given just how old and powerful they actually are.

    It would be interesting to set the Reapers up as the ETI version of specimen tubes. Not that the Reapers themselves know this, or why they were really created.

    And I expect the Reapers and TITANs would not get along very well as a result. Humanity (and possibly the Factors) are going to have been the only species in a very, very, very long time to have actually created AI advanced enough to trigger the Exsurgent protocols in their home systems; most other species never actually create Seed AI and just run into Stage 2 of the Exsurgent Protocols (the Reapers). The Quarians didn't either; their fuckup with the Geth was independent of ETI manipulation, although the Geth themselves are likely to run into the Exsurgent virus at some point.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)23:12 No.8233831
         File1266898337.jpg-(275 KB, 1600x1200, 1252365596984.jpg)
    275 KB

    This is when the Firewall agents go 'lul i TROLL you,' and just turn a horrific situation into a nightmare for the Turians. Engines will shut down, ME cores will overload until crew are smashed against the floor and the ship buckles in on itself, dreadnoughts will start firing their main guns at each other, entire hulls drained of atmosphere as the bulkheads are forced open, and other such abuses of power until the Turian fleet is nothing but scrap.

    A ship or two will obviously be left as intact and with as many survivors as possible for study.

    By this time the System's Alliance reinforcement fleet will arrive and see the wreckage in orbit, and a few devastated cities on the surface. Surviving Alliance forces will be debriefed, and the salvage in orbit will be collected as soon as possible.

    The Firewall agents will then need to fabricate evidence to cover up Firewall's (as an organization) involvement in the creation of the attack protocols, and chock it up to luck and a very powerful computing environment. The few agents who do come out and explain the victory are lauded as heroes, and given very generous offers to join the System Alliance's Info-War division.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:14 No.8233861
    I'm guessing the rest of the council goes apeshit when they find out about this, thinking Humanity is like the Rachni and the Geth put together.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:24 No.8234033
    All things considered, the Transhuman forces combined with Mass effect salvaged tech and a reason to be paranoid of alien intelligences are going to essentially going to be the Cybran Nation of Supreme Commander.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)23:32 No.8234150
         File1266899533.jpg-(252 KB, 1600x926, 1251523524544.jpg)
    252 KB

    It is at this point that Project Ozma and Firewall will start yanking on their political strings to try and get as many live Turians as possible for study. Ozma and some Firewall cells by-pass trying to figure out their language and use their more potent Asyncs to scan the minds and memories for interrogation. They get vague concepts and ideas, most implying that the attack was necessary, because of some sort of danger.

    And that they are now afraid.

    The process leaves many Turians with personality disorders, and with both Firewall and Ozma fearing that this may be the start of a larger and more devastating conflict. Both begin to plan for a total-war scenario, and begin designing the most devastating nano and info weapons they can imagine.

    By this time the Argonauts and other System's Alliance research organizations manage to translate the Turian written language, and begin their own significantly friendlier interrogations. It is here when transhumanity learns about the reason behind the attack (to prevent an inactive Mass Relay from activating, and potentially unleashing a new threat to the galaxy), and about the existence of the Citadel.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:35 No.8234186

    Isn't that a picture of the Cladari bombardment of Gallente Prime at the end of the first gGllente/Caldari war?

    EVE Online crap for those who have no idea what I'm referring to.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:38 No.8234229
         File1266899929.png-(54 KB, 477x599, 1212003229293.png)
    54 KB

    Quite the opposite in fact, it's the Gallente bombarding Caldari prime in retaliation of that underwater city that Caldari bombed.

    also, this thread, pic related
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:39 No.8234237
    thank you writefag for taking this seriously and developing awesome, you win an internet.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:39 No.8234244
    yeah this thread is pretty sweet. Someone should start writing fan fiction of this or something.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:46 No.8234308
    Fuck I have an anatomy test tomorrow, anywhere I could look for the rest of this later?
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:49 No.8234328

    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:50 No.8234348
    Cool thanks. You know if it weren't for the whole copyright infringement thing, you could probably make a couple hundred thousand dollars with this.
    >> Contagonist 02/22/10(Mon)23:51 No.8234354
    Now, we get to galactic repercussions!


    Initially, the Turians will believe that this is an incident that they will be able to handle.

    They will commit warships in the star cluster to converge around Relay 314, as a previously unknown race was encountered activating a mass relay, which is forbidden according to Citadel law. Soon they will send a fleet as the unknown species in unwilling to surrender, and then blockade and invade a planet to disable it's defense systems. Only after the world is pacified, will they send a delegation to try and explain the situation.

    Only they witness things never seen before on a field of battle. Swarms of nanoweapons deconstructing equipment and personnel with equal ease, a variety of enemy soldiers structurally specialized in specific battlefield roles, and a devastating combination of biological and synthetic soldiers working in seamless tandem, often times appearing to be from radically different species. In addition, as the conflict continues, they appear to adapt to Turian battlefield tactics and strategies at a disturbingly rapid pace.

    (Seeing as how a re-sleeved individual know what, how, and even who killed them, it would be logical to assume they would adapt quickly.)

    Turian analysts would have a field day at trying to comprehend what they were facing. Where they all different species working together? Were they all individuals or did they share consciousness? Was this a threat that assimilated other beings into a hive mind?

    The Turian leadership would then order the destruction of the colony - as the weaponry exhibited was never encountered before and extremely dangerous.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:53 No.8234385

    That part of the story in ME always bugged me; to avoid a potential war with an unknown race that may or may not exist on the other side of an inactive mass effect relay, the Turians started a war with an unknown race that did exist on their side of the galaxy.
    >> Anonymous 02/22/10(Mon)23:55 No.8234411
    They started a war with a race that did not even possess Mass Effect technology and was clearly technologically inferior in every way. The Turian's assume they can take the humans for sure. But they don't know what is on the other side of the Mass Relay.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:00 No.8234485
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:02 No.8234523
    Once the Asari finally make contact they would probably end up pretty pissed. Especially when they learn that there are legitimately immortal Transhumans and no one is at all impressed by the Asari lifespan. They come in talking about Asari wisdom of the ages and shit and humanity just laughs in their faces. I also doubt breeding would work very well with transhumans. Trying to link up your nervous system with a Transhuman would probably be like what happens when a normal person mates with an Ardat Yakshi.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:02 No.8234525
    NO. Don't sacrifice quality for convenience.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:06 No.8234590

    Humans haven't been immortal for long, so it'll take them a while to catch up to a thousand year old Asari. It'll go a bit faster with overclocking and forking though.
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)00:06 No.8234593
         File1266901596.jpg-(98 KB, 849x552, sample-5d46f4519d558c332f9c86e(...).jpg)
    98 KB

    The Turians would, at this point, start mobilizing for a major offensive in that part of the galaxy, no doubt gaining the attention of the other Citadel Races.

    By about the time the Asari and Salarians would be asking 'What the hell is going on?" the Turians would have lost contact with the fleet sent to the planet near Relay 314.

    It is at this point that the Turian military briefs the rest of the council on the incident.

    The Turian's are harshly reprimanded by the Citadel Council for attacking the vessels of an unidentified species, and escalating the ensuing conflict into open warfare. When the Turian Military representative further explains the situation, the Council will know that it was in an extremely delicate situation with a potentially dangerous species, especially now that the small invasion fleet near the planet had disappeared.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:07 No.8234612
    great stuff in this thread, but i have some nitpicks.

    First I assume that Shanxi is an garden world and that would mean that in council law bombing it from orbit is an war crime, though if the Turian commander panics and orders the fleet to attack it's still plausible.

    Also, you said 'dreadnoughts', considering that by 2185 the entire Turian armada consist of 39 of them, some of them might have been lost during the battle of the Citadel but I find the presence of multiple dreadnoughts very unlikely.

    Other than that, great stuff.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:09 No.8234636
    I just '+' 'ed this in the archive. Going to bed. GREAT work writer, I am amused and in awe of your prowess!
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:10 No.8234643
    awesome writefaggotry, keep it up
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:13 No.8234694
    Transhumans in the Mass Effect universe would be unstoppable, considering that they could happily colonize all those dead, airless rocks infested with thresher maws.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:15 No.8234712
    Especially considering that they are apparently so unwanted you can just show up and start mining them and no one gives a shit.
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)00:19 No.8234787
         File1266902392.jpg-(318 KB, 1500x800, 26a975871d0e603cff0905c731c63c(...).jpg)
    318 KB

    The Citadel Council will be deadlocked. The Turians will advocate the quarantine of that area of the galaxy, if not an outright pre-emptive attack on the species, reasoning that it is only a matter of time before they reverse-engineer centuries of technological development in starship design and weapon systems, and then become an even graver threat.

    The Asari will advocate sending a minimally armed delegation to try a peaceful first contact with this new species, or collection of species'.

    The Salarians will initially side with the Turians' quarantine plan, but then argue for probes to be sent to try and figure out what happened to the fleet.

    The Council will then agree to send an unmanned, unarmed probe to the system for reconnaissance to gather information to make a better decision.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:24 No.8234840

    Then they will ignore the probe's reports of the so called "humans"
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:25 No.8234851
    Damn those Turians and their so called "Air Quotes".
    >> Abaddon 02/23/10(Tue)00:26 No.8234864
         File1266902817.jpg-(179 KB, 825x1062, 1222615487489.jpg)
    179 KB
    Ah yes these so called"Reapers"
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:28 No.8234886



    Of course, it also means that transhuman-controlled systems are going to be built up to what would be an obscene degree to any of the ME species; we'd be putting habitats quite literally anywhere we could, and we'd adapt to hostile planetary environments by creating new morphs that can survive in them.

    That's going to be something else that will surprise the Council, by the by: the uplifts (and some of the weirder morphs, like the Suryas). We actually do have multiple species living in our system, which doesn't seem to be the norm for any ME civilization still confined to one world; the only example I can think of is the vorcha relationship with the Krogan.

    The octopi, for example, would probably LOVE the hanar.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:30 No.8234906
    Okay fuck. Now I have to download this so called "Eclipse Phase" because it sounds awesome and I must have it.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:30 No.8234907
    Well, the Turians will know all about the Reapers.

    Given that transhumanity will have been using them to ruin their shit during the ground invasion.

    It's the giant flying genocidal robot cuttlefish that they might have trouble believing in.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:31 No.8234931

    >The octopi, for example, would probably LOVE the hanar.

    There are many ways of interpreting this statement, all of which work for me.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:33 No.8234948
    But remember, like 90% of the Turian's that were involved in the Shanxi conflict are dead. The remaining 10% are prisoners. So the council still has no idea what is going on other than the fact that the patrol reported aliens activating a mass relay before suddenly disappearing.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:34 No.8234964
    The uplifted octopi are totally awesome. I can actually see them developing some sort of "cephalopod supremacist" movement if there were actually enough of them to move beyond the occasional disdain for those monkeys that only have two grasping appendages, can't see in all directions without cyberware, and can't naturally change the color of their skin to add an extra layer of information to their language.

    It also would be totally possible to create a velociraptor morph; you'd probably just need to take the neo-avian morph and then customize it a bit.
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)00:36 No.8234985
         File1266903390.jpg-(87 KB, 653x826, 1251523562104.jpg)
    87 KB
    Back to transhumanity!


    The System's Alliance now understands that it is in a very dangerous situation. Through further talks with the Turian captives, they learn about the possibility of an all-out war with the Turian Hierarchy. Though their fears are somewhat alleviated by the description of the Citadel Council and the politics implied, they begin planning for a worst-case scenario. Transhumanity is briefed on the situation - that a hostile first contact occurred, and things could develop badly. Weapons production increases exponentially, and more transhumans either volunteer or have forks volunteer for the Alliance military.

    At the same time, Alliance officials draft procedures for initiating a friendlier 'second contact' with the Turians, and the galaxy at large. Diplomats, psychologists, xenobiologists, and other experts labor tirelessly to make a plan for peace, and avoid another war that transhumanity can not afford.

    Meanwhile, Ozma and Firewall begin consolidating their respective resources to do whatever it takes to protect transhumanity. Using Turian biological information, they begin the design and initial production of lethal bioweapons. The cyberwarfare divisions of all the major powers in transhuman space begin designing more varied and devastating digital weaponry to use against Turian computer systems.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:37 No.8235008
    So how many Turian "escapees" do you think will be returning to Council space, with their eyepieces replaced by cortical stacks, their minds by transhuman agents, and their bodies filled with ghostriding infomorphs?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:38 No.8235023
    That is an awesome mental picture and I want to thank you for giving it to me.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:39 No.8235028
    In all of the confusion, I have to ask: how long before the Jovians do something really, really stupid?
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:40 No.8235050
    Not long probably
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:41 No.8235063

    You mean like living and dying in bodies made out of meat?
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)00:42 No.8235080
    >>8234612 Also, you said 'dreadnoughts', considering that by 2185 the entire Turian armada consist of 39 of them, some of them might have been lost during the battle of the Citadel but I find the presence of multiple dreadnoughts very unlikely.

    2 dreadnoughts :D
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:44 No.8235115
    What a ghastly thought

    that is stupid
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:45 No.8235124
    Don't knock living in meat bodies until you've tried it. There's some stuff for which a good old-fashioned nerve network and endocrine system is just better. Well, as long as you've gene-fixed out some of the more annoying wetware issues.

    Now the dying part, I'll agree with you on.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:46 No.8235132
    The bit the Turians are most likely to take offense to is the desecration of the eyepieces.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:47 No.8235161
    I hesitate to ask, but can we get a new thread? This one's in autosage, and I think we've barely started to mine out the lodes of potential awesome here.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:48 No.8235164
    Thanks but I'll stick to getting resleeved in a good old fashioned morph before I go trapping myself in one of those meat sacks.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:51 No.8235229
    We probably should. This thread has been tons of fun. I'm reading through the Eclipse Phase handbook now. It reads like if every sci fi novel I ever liked got together and had a baby and that baby then instantly grew up and turned into a super model.

    That is what it is like.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:55 No.8235303
    I'm not familiar with Eclipse Phase, though I seem to be able to make sense out of most of this, but there are still some things I'm not quiet sure on.

    I've checked the official site and I can't find much information other than information on transhumanism in general and game guides.

    Can anyone supply me with some context/backstory for the Eclipse Phase universe?
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)00:57 No.8235340
         File1266904672.jpg-(256 KB, 1502x961, 1255477936063.jpg)
    256 KB

    The Citadel Council's exploratory probe will enter Shanxi space and observe the aftermath of the battle. The larger Turian wrecks will still be in orbit, and crawling with both synthetic and biological entities, disassembling and analyzing the starships.

    Again, the council races will be perplexed by the apparent variety of organisms operating on the wrecks in tendem. Bipedal organisms of variable build in environment suits, synthetics of even greater variety either designed or modified for the task, what appear to be swarms of machines cutting away at hulls, and tentacled creatures climbing about the vessels with abandon.

    Analysis of the planet will show clear evidence of an orbital bombardment using kinetic weaponry. When pressed for information, the Turians will refute the allegations of ordering the attacks.

    The probe operators will lose connection with the probe for roughly an hour, before it re-activates. It sends a simple message, in the Turian alphabet, reading: "We want to negotiate the release of prisoners and the establishment of peace. Send one ship."
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)00:59 No.8235361
    Take a look at their list of inspirations and you'll see you aren't far off.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)01:02 No.8235422
    Go to IsoHunt and download the core book. The developers themselves were the ones that posted the torrent.

    Also, go read Revelation Space, Ghost in the Shell, some Lovecraft, and any sci-fi anthologies published within the last 5-10 years.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)01:05 No.8235461

    Skynet turned into cthulhu and ate 95% of the human race before fucking off into deep space and leaving the earth as a desolate wasteland covered in nano-weapons and self replicating killbots. The surviving humans are mostly full body cyborgs living in space with remote backups of their personalities that make them pseudo-immortal. There are megacorps that want to own your soul and insane AIs that want to eat it and all sorts of crazy paranoid people who might try to kill you if they think that you might try to kill them first.
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)01:06 No.8235482

    Hypercorps are in the inner solar system. The rest of Sol is like Burning Man.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)01:20 No.8235754
    Except for the Jovian Junta, which is basically the Imperium of Man. Except without the tech, the regalia, the power, the importance, or really anything beyond an obsession with baseline human genetic purity, an oversized military, and an incredible degree of paranoia about everything that isn't them. Mostly less justified paranoia too.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)01:27 No.8235879

    Well, insane machines did nearly wipe out the human race a few years back, so I can understand why they might worry a bit, even if their methods aren't very well thought out.
    >> Contagonist 02/23/10(Tue)01:30 No.8235931
         File1266906638.jpg-(93 KB, 434x580, 1255389535322.jpg)
    93 KB
    (Pic related.)


    After the probe entered the Shanxi system and was hacked by the System's Alliance military to send the message, transhumanity held it's breath. Military vessels held position minutes away from the Shanxi system, cyberwarfare divisions prepared for attack in fortified bunkers, and the colonists on Shanxi made sure they had updated backups in Sol.

    A delegation vessel representing transhumanity held orbit around the planet. A human, an AGI, primate, avian, and octopi uplifts were aboard in their respective biomorphs (or synthmorph, in the case of the AGI).

    A small, elegantly designed, and unarmed ship entered at the edge of the system, and after instructions were provided by the transhuman ambassador vessel, they rendezvoused in orbit of one of the moons.
    >> Anonymous 02/23/10(Tue)01:32 No.8235963
    Masterclass writefaggot, moar. Also you might want to make a new thread, this one is autosaging.

    Delete Post [File Only]
    Style [Yotsuba | Yotsuba B | Futaba | Burichan]