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    503 KB Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:21 No.8381512  
    Ah yes, "Transhumans" outside the zone?

    The Council has already discarded all those claims.

    I don't need to remind you that all Transhuman incursions are made under strict supervision by the Turian Fleet and that not even a single ship is allowed to use the Mass Relays in that area without proper Council Authorization

    Didn't those reports came from captured Batarian Pirates?
    Honestly to be the first Batarian Specter you seem to be quite passionate about your hate for the other Council races. And to think for a second that I was actually convinced that you where going to be any different.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:22 No.8381533
    Goddamn, why are you such a cunt?
    I save the world, no, the universe, and all you can do is make snide comments about stuff.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:24 No.8381557
    ITT: The speculation continues.

    Continuation of:
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:29 No.8381635
    >batarian spectre
    >"ah yes" turian

    oh this forum never fails to amuse me
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:32 No.8381675
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    This reminds me that the Batarian specter is still unnamed.

    and tentative Alternate Universe Shepard looks awesome.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)14:56 No.8381943

    In favor of pure silliness, I propose Yornam Heer Xapard.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:07 No.8382067
    GO for it!
    >> Azrael !J8iT2dVpI. 03/03/10(Wed)15:17 No.8382176
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    Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
    >> ☠POISON☠ !mSHODANprU 03/03/10(Wed)15:26 No.8382278
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    You've got to be kidding me. I've been further even more decided to use even go need to do look more as anyone can. Can you really be far even as decided half as much to use go wish for that? My guess is that when one really been far even as decided once to use even go want, it is then that he has really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like. It's just common sense.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:34 No.8382364
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    Balak. the First Batarian Specter, and a sign that maybe there is a position for a Batarian in the Citadel Council.

    Things haven't gone well from the very beginning. Retrieving the recently found beacon had proved to be a Nightmare of a first mission. and that..ship.
    It came out of nowhere and tried to take the beacon, there's not ship like that in the entire known galaxy, the only ones who might have them are the Transhumans.
    Its obvious that they managed to find a way out of the Blockade and where trying to steal Prothean technology for their own gain. And then, there was that man... I've seen him every time escorting the ambassadors, and it must have been him the one that placed the charges, I saw him tinkering with them.... or maybe he tampering with them.

    The Transhumans are working with the Geth,that much seems to be true, maybe the whole "consciousness from our former biological beings" is nothing but a facade to cover up their own A.I. revolution.

    And then there's Saren... he hates Transhumanity for what they did to his Brother, he must be working on his own. I should try to establish contact, maybe we can work together on this one, even though there are rumors of his ruthlessness, I am sure we could work well with a common goal
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:37 No.8382386
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    So let me get this right, you transhumans can make yourself completely sterile?....

    Are you doing anything later?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:40 No.8382416
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:47 No.8382494
    Sorry, wouldn't do what you're thinking.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:49 No.8382530
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    ah yes 'traditional game threads' in /tg/?

    The Council has already discarded all those claims
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:53 No.8382560
    Alright, may as well chip in a bit, see if I can't provide some food for the thinkings.

    Now, to begin with, in all honesty, I don't think there's really a need to actually switch ownership of the planet, or remove the Prothean Beacon to a new location to get things set up so Sovereign can menace the Galaxy OooooooOOOOOooooo...! Spooky!


    Ultimately, while the Systems Alliance can utilize their technology in far more devious and interesting ways than the Council can, they are still ultimately in rather an inferior position. Moreover, the Systems Alliance is desirous of avoiding a potential disastrous conflict, and may seek to curry favor in pursuance of that end.

    Adding to this is the fact many TH individuals and factions, the Argonauts in particular, possess a strong ideal for the Free Sharing of Information and it is not unreasonable to expect that knowledge of the Prothean Beacon could get out to the wider Galaxy.

    And, ultimately, Sovereign and it's proxies.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:55 No.8382583
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    Oh look, another one of those "I'm going to prove Eclipse Phase is retarded by colliding it with Mass Effect" faggots.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)15:58 No.8382609
    I wonder what The reapers would see in Transhumanity. They're already on the same path the Reapers have set for all life. Remove the organic component and combine the minds into a cohesive whole in a superior machine body. All that's really left for TH to do is to unify the minds. They've already got the body part down pat.

    Maybe Sovereign would just let the technology necessary for that to "slip" into TH hands?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:00 No.8382635
    They'd want to destroy them all regardless
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:03 No.8382676
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    Is it weird that Admiral Xen's email gave me an erection?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:04 No.8382700
    Quarians and TransHumans quickly become bestest buddies. Medichines are god-tier trading material, and Quarians can get TransHumans wherever they need to go.

    I'm seeing the Flotilla docked at a major TH world, being refitted and modernized. Then, all the infomorphs in the Citadel's systems go "lol pwnt" and shut down all defenses and weaponry. Any that managed to get into ships open the airlocks and kill the crew. Quarian flotilla pops in fully armed with fuck-you level technology and loaded with synth and biomorph infantry.

    The battle is glorious, with fighters trying to take each other down and capital ships having a slugfest. Eventually, the Destiny Ascension's defenses are worn down and the pride of the Citadel fleet is destroyed. On the Citadel itself, Synthmorphs and Biomorphs, alongside Quarian marines, swiftly eliminate the opposition, guided by the infomorphs inside C-Sec. Enemy troops are given false orders and are led to the slaughter.

    The sheer size of the Flotilla and the power of the TH ground forces are too much, and the Citadel is taken. The Quarian-Human Alliance takes place as the ruling power in Council space, preparing themselves for even greater threats to come.
    >> Tali !L2yaQhOO02 03/03/10(Wed)16:04 No.8382702
    What was the e-mail?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:06 No.8382725
    >> Tali !L2yaQhOO02 03/03/10(Wed)16:08 No.8382754
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:09 No.8382767

    Frankly, I kinda doubt that'd happen. The Reapers would be somewhat unlikely to see any use in Trans-Humanity outside of use as tools, and for that purpose there would be rather little to recommend them above the Geth - while that might possess more unique warfare technologies, they're also much more closely monitored by the Council races and have less freedom to move around, except as covert Infomorphs.

    More than that, though, is simply that the Reapers seem to disdain anything that is... well, not Reaper in origin.


    Honestly, I cannot see the Quarians and Trans-Humans getting along. The Systems Alliance probably wouldn't mind getting to know the lovable Space Gyppos, but the Quarians? Considering the Geth and Tranhumanties similarities thereto? No. They'd be way, way too suspicious to even get close to them.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:12 No.8382810
    If you withhold the evidence at Tali's trial Admiral Xen later sends you an email about how she went and found the evidence herself. She then goes on to say that if you had presented it humanity would have "reaped the benefits" but instead ""will watch from a distance as the quarian people reclaim not just their homeworld, but the largest synthetic army in the galaxy."

    She's the one who performed surgery on her dolls as a child and wanted to "return the geth to the control of their rightful masters, the quarian race."

    So wicked... I'll bet she's stays on top.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:13 No.8382824
    >So wicked... I'll bet she's obviously being set up as an antagonist for ME3.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)16:19 No.8382921
    Bow chicka bow etc.

    I like this setting. Not just another reskin of star wars or star trek.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:21 No.8382942
    Probably. I bet the scout ship the Migrant Fleet sent out in Ascension will return with a Reaper and use it to bring the geth under control. Then Xen will take the back the quarian home world and colonies, and then maybe... branch out a little.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:24 No.8382974
    she can still be an antagonist AND stay on top. its all fine by me.

    Wait... no, it isn't MURDER THE BITCH.

    Although I agreed intially, it seems that the Quarian/Transhuman cooperation is more and more unlikely.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:25 No.8382994
    Not if I have anything to say about it!
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:29 No.8383033
    Well when I said on top I was thinking more of... oh, well, nevermind.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:31 No.8383055
    Not at all. The surface similarities between TH and the Geth are simply because they've abandoned organic bodies in favor of technological immortality. We could choose to re-enter organic bodies if we wanted as biomorphs.

    Besides, trading medichines is practically a guaranteed method. They would solve half the quarian's problems right away.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:35 No.8383092
    Because it basically comes from the wishful thinking that all transhumans are like Shepard and all Quarians are like Tali.

    Of course, the result will deeped on which subgroup is the one that contacts the remaining races.

    The Hypercorps are more likely to secure deals that are there for pure profit.

    the Autonomist faction is more likely to give the Medichines and Genophage cure away for the lulz. Securing friendship perhaps, but not really an obligation to ally themselves with the Transhumans.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:36 No.8383107
    What are Medichines anyway?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:37 No.8383113
    Linya nar Qwib Qwib gulped as she eyed the metal giant beside her. She'd heard rumors of a new species that the council was trying to keep secret, but she didn't expect them to be machines.

    When the strange ship had come into contact with the flotilla, her people had scanned it thoroughly and were surprised to find no lifeforms on board. At first they thought it was a derelict, ripe for salvaging, but when it opened communications everyone panicked. "Geth" had been the word around the fleet.

    When a video link was established, They saw that it obviously wasn't the Geth. They were a new race, and it was swiftly uncovered just who and what they were. Transhumans. Organics that placed their consciousnesses into machine bodies. Incredibly advanced and incredibly dangerous. A good reason for the council to squelch the knowledge of their existence.

    For some reason, the Admiralty had invited them aboard, and there was a palpable feeling of excitement in the air. Linya boosted her audio receivers, but she could only make out bits and pieces, something about tech transfers and medichines. While the negotiations had gone on, one of the larger TransHumans noticed her, despite her attempts at stealth and the fact that its back was turned. There must be some rear optics, thought Linya. The giant turned and approached her, leaving the negotiations. Apparently it wasn't taking part in them anyways.

    "Hello there. My name is Magnus. You seem to be pretty interested in us. What's your name?"

    At first, Linya couldn't say anything. The TransHuman was easily three heads taller than she was and bulkier, probably some kind of security for the diplomats. She took a deep breath: "My name is Linya!" Her voice had cracked from nervousness and she muttered under her breath. The TransHuman on the other hand, was laughing.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:38 No.8383125
    Nanobots that act as a mechanical immune system. They'd be perfect because Quarians' immune systems are shit due to generations in a sterile environment.
    "Nice to meet you Linya. So, what would you like to know about us?"

    Was it really talking to her? First Contact with a new species and she was going to talk to them? Linya was floored and she struggled to pull words together. "Well, I suppose that, well, I would like to know... 'what' you are?"

    "I'm a TransHuman. We separated our minds from our organic bodies and can inhabit any body we create for ourselves."

    "Not that, I mean, what I meant was, are you... a man? A woman? Your voice is deep, but that's not a universal thing."

    Magnus' laugh sounded metallic as it was produced by the machine body he inhabited. "I'm male. I take it you're female? Your body type seems to be the norm for females."

    Linya turned a dark shade of purple, and was thankful her mask didn't let it show.

    "Y-Yes, I am a girl. But I won't be considered a woman until I finish my Pilgrimage, which is a journey we Quarians make to prove that we can be useful to the Flotilla." Linya tried to cover her nervousness by being factual. It didn't help much.

    "I understand that you can't leave these ships because you have a weak immune system. Well, nothing's permanent yet, but if this deal here goes off then that might not be a problem for you any more."

    Linya went rigid. "What? How?!"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:38 No.8383130
    Magnus' amusement was in his voice. "We've got some pretty good technology when it comes to machinery, as you can imagine. Medichines are microscopic robots that act as an immune system. They'd be able to keep you safe against pathogens and allergens."

    "We'd be able to take a new world..." Linya drifted off as she thought of the possibilities.

    "So," Magnus said, "While the diplomats are busy talking, why don't you show me around? I'm sure no one will mind a giant robot wandering the halls."

    Linya thought for a moment, wondering if the TransHuman was up to something. She decided that if she kept an eye on him, he wouldn't try anything dangerous. "Alright, follow me then."

    The two of them wandered through the ship. Magnus inquired about several things, like the history of the Quarians and the nature of the Geth intelligence, which Linya answered to the best of her ability. She asked Magnus about what it was like to have a robotic body. Finally, they came to a hallways lined with doors. Linya opened one up and invited Magnus into her room.

    "Well," She began, "This is where I've lived most of my life. This room can be sterilized so that I can take off my suit for maintenance and when I just want to lounge around. There's a vidscreen, a computer, furniture, and so on."

    "Not bad. I like the computer but I don't think this chair would hold me." Magnus rocked the chair for emphasis.

    "So, I guess what I would like to know most about is how your body processes sensations. You used to have an organic body with nerves, do you still feel things now?"

    "Well, it's a little different, and I can choose what I feel and when. Pain isn't there anymore. Instead it's just an information feed about damage, lets me focus on what I'm doing. Touch is pretty much the same, I can detect heat levels, heck I can even alter my own body temperature so that I can operate in extreme climates."
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:38 No.8383135
    Nanomachines that can replace your inmune system.

    Also does a lot of neat stuff that I forgot about.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:39 No.8383139
    I doubt there'll be a Reaper involved.

    Instead, what you'll have, is Xen returning to the Quarian Homeworld, using Rael'Zora's technology to successfully hack and control all the Geth there, bringing them permenantly under her control before she's able to dominate the entire Geth race.

    The rest of the Geth, understandably, aren't happy about this and begin mobalising to attack the Flotilla, reaching the consensus that the Quarians will continue to assail them no matter what, and have to be destroyed in order to maintain Geth safety/independance.

    This splits the Quarians, half of them support Xen and want to go to war, beliving that she'll be able to reprogram the rest of the Geth. The other half realise that Xen has gone utterly bugfuck insane and want her quietly removed and the hacking technology destroyed so her scheme comes undone - especially since she's mentioned she won't just stop with the Geth.

    Shepard can either side with the anti-Xen Quarians or the Geth, in both cases fighting through Xen's reprogrammed Geth and killing her, resulting in the Geth smashing the Migrant Fleet, or the Geth retreating. Alternatively, which a high enough Persuade/Charm, you can convince Xen to knock her shit off and negotiate a peaceful solution that sees the Quarians and Geth reaching an uneasy peace.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:40 No.8383148

    Yeah, but the problem is that the Quarians do not necessarily know that, and if they do know it they might not believe it. Hell, I'm fairly certain they probably wouldn't believe it; their past history would be unlikely to lead to a favorable reception. As far as the medichines goes, they might only leave the TEZ as smuggled goods - remember the Council has across the board bans of Nanotechnologies. Medichines could easily be useful enough that the ban might be lifted, but it just as easily might not be.

    If they don't end up under embargo, then it'd just as easy to see the Quarians happily benefiting from the fruits of Transhumanities efforts while still scorning them.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:40 No.8383149
    Linya noticed that Magnus had left out one very important physical sensation, and she was incredibly nervous, but also incredibly curious. "What... what about, you know..."

    "What about what?"

    Linya stared a hole in the floor. "Well, you've told me how most of your body works, but you didn't tell me if you still feel pleasure." Her voice had dropped at the end, as she tried to cut herself off, but the result was instead sultry and seductive, an effect she had not expected.

    Magnus rotated his head in the fashion typical to show confusion. If he had eyebrows, he'd be raising one of those as well.

    "Pleasure? That's one that is under my control. But to be honest, doing that yourself isn't all that great in a robotic body. The thrill comes from having someone else, not being able to tell what they'll do next, wondering where their going to touch you..."

    Magnus stopped and noticed that Linya had gotten very quiet and was sitting very still. He couldn't see her face, but behind her mask Linya's face was a deep purple shade of embarrassment. But that wasn't the only reaction she was having.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:41 No.8383156

    It felt like forever until Linya spoke again. "So, then, how do you actually, do it? Is it just an information transfer? Maybe a network connection?" Linya's voice grew higher as she listed all the ways that Magnus could have sex (she shuddered as she thought that word) without actually having sex.

    "It's usually up to the people involved, but I have a, um, physical component." Magnus was incredibly grateful that his body didn't blush or exhibit embarrassment. Otherwise he'd be beet-red.

    Linya's breath caught. She couldn't believe where her line of questioning had gotten her, and she was torn between shame, curiosity, and arousal.

    "A physical component? You mean... but, I don't see..."

    Magnus knew where this was going. Being honest with yourself was something you learned after living for centuries, and he decided that if this girl wanted to fuck, he'd go for it. He issued a mental command, and a hatch on his lower chassis popped up, revealing a dark recess.

    Linya leaned forward.

    With one shaking hand, she reached into Magnus' body and felt a soft, squishy 'thing' inside. She was practically hyperventilating as she drew her hand out, holding a long, pink... well, it looked like a sex toy. It was transparent, and inside there seemed to be some kind of gel. The... component... also seemed to be made up of several different parts. From the way they connected, it looked like they...

    Linya gulped.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:41 No.8383166
    "H-H-How d-d-does it work?" She tripped over every word, holding some stranger's genitals in her hand was not normal behavior for her. She tried to rationalize that it wasn't real, but this was a thinking, intelligent creature.

    Magnus issued another mental command, and an electrical shock triggered the gel, making it shift into a semi-solid state. His component jerked free of Linya's hand and grew to a respectable size. Linya, for her part, fell flat on her ass from surprise.

    However, now that it was 'erect' (she shuddered again) she could see more clearly the differentiated parts. There were circular parts, square parts, nubs, and the end was dominated by a large bulb. Linya shakily stood up and walked over to the wall, where she hit the decontamination button.

    There was a hiss, and an opaque white gas flushed the room. It was quickly ventilated, and Linya reached up and removed her face mask.

    Magnus' first thought was how human she looked. Two eyes, a nose and a mouth. The color of her skin was a dark purple, though it changed around her cheeks. He assumed she was blushing, which was very true.

    Linya began disassembling the rest of her suit, taking out tubes and hoses and placing them gently into a pile. Nude, she approached Magnus slowly, again appearing seductive by mistake. She took hold of Magnus' component again, stroking it gently.

    Magnus' body didn't have any automatic responses to things like pleasure, so he had to consciously show that Linya was doing a good job. He clenched and unclenched his fingers and let out a mechanical sigh as the stimulation was translated into pleasure by his mind.

    Linya had no experience past the magazines that she borrowed from some of her friends, so she was unsure what to do from this point on. Magnus' hand gently pushed her down, and she complied, getting on her knees, eye level with the component.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:42 No.8383173
    Magnus watched as Linya opened her mouth as wide a she could and took in his component. While he'd been with other morphs, the feeling of an organic was hard to beat. He could tell she had no experience, but she certainly made up for that in effort.

    The component was soft enough that it could bend, and Linya had no problem working her mouth around it. She pushed until it was to her throat, then pulled back off, squeezing Magnus' softer part between her tongue and the roof of her mouth. She traced the small ridges between the various sections with her tongue, circling the nubs and flicking at ridges. Magnus' groans encouraged her, and soon she was shamelessly sucking him off.

    She pushed forward again, fitting half of the thing in her mouth, when the component came alive. Slowly at first, the various nubs along the length began vibrating, and other parts began to slowly spin around the shaft. Linya's thoughts went south, and she couldn't help but imagine what this thing would feel like inside her.

    Linya pulled herself off Magnus' component with a loud pop, and stood back up. Magnus took the time to examine her again. Her whole body was flushed to a dark blue and purple, her nipples were erect, and her legs were dripping with liquid. She seemed unsure of how to proceed, so he decided to make the next move.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:43 No.8383189
    He took her by the shoulders and turned her around, gently pushing her over the table. He positioned himself and slightly prodded Linya's entrance. After determining that she was ready for him, he pushed forward as far has he could go, and his entire component slid inside her.

    Linya gripped the sides of the table as Magnus entered her. The pressure was unbelievable, and she squeezed back in retaliation to the unfamiliar feeling. That sent a wave of pleasure through her that she had never experienced on her own. She let out a low moan and left her mouth open as Magnus slowly withdrew, leaving only the bulb inside her.

    Linya waited for the next push, but nothing came. She looked over her shoulder and saw Magnus standing there, waiting. He beckoned her towards him, and she got the hint. She leaned back, drawing more of her partner into her. Once she was flush against his body, she felt the component activate inside her.

    The first ones Magnus turned on were the vibrating nubs that ran down the sides of the shaft. He simply held himself inside Linya and let the component do the work, and soon Linya bucked her hips and screamed as she had her first orgasm. Magnus turned off the nubs to let her catch her breath.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:43 No.8383194

    Linya couldn't do anything but gasp for breath. She had muffled her scream, but her whole body was shaking from the intensity of the orgasm. Slowly, she recovered and pressed herself against Magnus again. This time, the entire component turned on. Vibrating nubs, spinning plates, circling plates, the end bulb grew and shrank almost rhythmically. Every inch of her was being stimulated, but Magnus only stood still. It was up to her to do the thrusting, a task she took to with exuberance. Linya ground against Magnus' body, pulled herself forward and slammed herself back down, crying from the overwhelming sensation that was taking her. With her next orgasm, she pushed herself so tightly against Magnus' body that her skin was discolored. She held it there and rode out the pleasure.

    Magnus was no longer controlling himself. The information from his body overloading his limits, electrical signals begin converted to pleasurable sensations that left him unable to do anything else but let himself be washed away in the feeling.

    Finally, Magnus' mind reached a preset limit. An automated signal went out and the component deep inside Linya contracted powerfully, ejecting a large load of the thick pink gel into Linya. The gel filled her up and leaked out, trailing down her legs and pooling on the floor.

    With great effort, Linya pulled herself off of Magnus, her breath hitching as she passed over the large bulb. With a barely perceptible whir, the component disappeared into Magnus, and the hatch closed shut.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:44 No.8383203
    Linya fell down into the chair and started giggling uncontrollably. "That... that was the best thing I've ever done. Keelah! that was amazing!"

    Magnus nodded."It was incredible." Magnus' body had immediately restored his mind to a pre-sex state, but this was definitely a memory worth reviewing.

    Linya held up some of the gel. "Is this safe? I mean, it's an alien substance, it could-"

    "Don't worry, it's hypoallergenic by every standard we know. Council standards too. You'll be fine."

    Linya licked some of the gel off her fingers. "You know, this stuff isn't half bad." She ran her hands across her body and sucked the gel off of them.

    A mental trigger alerted Magnus that his presence was requested. "Well Linya, I enjoyed this very much, but now I've got to get back to work. Maybe I'll see you again."

    "Maybe Magnus, maybe." Magnus left the room and headed back to the diplomat's chamber, running cleaning cycles to remove pheromones and other secretions from his body. But even though there would be no more physical evidence, he filed away the memory into his core data, ensuring that it would remain with him forever.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:45 No.8383211
    >"H-H-How d-d-does it work?" She tripped over every word, holding some stranger's genitals in her hand

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:52 No.8383311
    problem anon?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:56 No.8383385
    Damn I want a proper writefaggotry, not some fapfiction
    I MAD
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)16:59 No.8383428
    Unfortunately between my fapfiction and the other guy's exposition, no1 else has written anything.

    Why don't you try writing something?

    How about we do a collaborative story? You write one paragraph and someone else follows it up, etc.

    See how long it lasts before niggers and penises.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:04 No.8383495
    I am bad at writing and I don't know much about Eclipse Phase
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:06 No.8383530

    the problem is... well - consensus

    should transhumans choose the paragon or renegage approach? they have enough plot-power to just WTF-pwn citadel space... thats been shown in this thread already, and if they buy off the quarians with medi-tech they'll have enough "tali-is-mai-waifu" love stories for everyone

    alternatly, make peace with citadel and basically redo the standard ME1 and ME2 story, just with a transhuman shepard.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:10 No.8383588
    I'm going to ask, again, does Transhumanity have ANY flaws, because they seem to be doing everything, and wining everything.

    I'm just sayin.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:13 No.8383637
    Ridiculous factionization. There's practically no central government, the Systems Alliance speaks for humanity as a whole to the aliens, but inter-human relations are pretty ridiculous.

    Jovians want to EXTERMINATUS everything that isn't pureblooded human.

    Humanity done fucked up and created the TITANS, a threat on par with the Reapers.

    Most of TH's issues are kept to themselves, so to aliens it would seem that they are some terrible, unified force to be feared and fled from. But if they got a good look at what was going down in the exclusion zone then they'd realize that a lot of transhumans are independent agents.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:16 No.8383672

    Yes, but every other time they steamroll everything. And even with all this infighting they still show a unified front, always. There is a damn word for that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:17 No.8383686

    And I must point out this.

    >have enough plot-power to just WTF-pwn citadel space...

    So, yeah.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:22 No.8383763
    Well, TH currently has shit for a navy, so orbital bombardment would be a game over. I'm sure that the nano-factories are working on that however.

    I would say that TH is outnumbered, but they could easily bolster themselves with AIs and the hypercorps just tossing those millions of unsleeved people into cannon-fodder bodies.

    I don't mean to suck TH's cock, but it's so delicious. It was mentioned somewhere that the council gave TH a bunch of shitty uninhabitable worlds as a "generous snub", but TH just grew some adaptable biomorphs and colonized the worlds anyways.

    I can only imagine the collective trollface that they must've had.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:23 No.8383774
    They have flaws.

    -They still suck in ship to ship combat, their fleet has expanded, but its hard to believe they can fare well against the combined forces of the Galaxy.

    -Their infiltration technology is among the best, but probably not as far as developed as the network of , lets say, the shadow broker.

    -Machines seems to be more easy to indoctrinate.

    -It may be hard but not impossible to hack a synthmorp.

    -Transhumans are viewed as Space Nazis by everyone.

    -Prometheans and other Seed A.I.s are toned down for this setting.

    -The TITANS are far more mary sue that you can't believe.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:24 No.8383788

    Again, my point. No matter WHAT happens, they come out on top. It's just getting to the point of retardation.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:26 No.8383810
    Well, then defend the council races. Give TH some flaws, don't make other people solve your problems for you.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:31 No.8383889

    Well, why not believe that TH might be outside the zone? Everyone knows that the Salariens kick ass at sneaking around, why not believe that those bastards might not take a page from their book? It's a lot more believable then Reapers.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:32 No.8383897
    I don't understand why everyone thinks that machines are prone to indoctrination. The Geth who went with Sovereign weren't indoctrinated, they acted purely on their own will otherwise ALL Geth would have followed Sovereign.

    Even Legion tells so...
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:33 No.8383907
    I'm a bit curious, how fast does TH advance technologically? And how fast can they if they really wanted to?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:34 No.8383924
    That's the general consensus. TH makes biomorphs of council races, hides in the net as infomorphs, basically uses their adaptability to go anywhere they want despite council regulations.

    Hell, make a biomorph clone of the council members themselves, take over the whole goddamn galaxy in one day. No one will suspect a thing.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:39 No.8383987


    I try to give them a single flaw, in that some people know they are out of the zone, and you fling that at me!? Anything I say, you simply go "Nuh-uh", and throw something like that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:44 No.8384058
    >It was mentioned somewhere that the council gave TH a bunch of shitty uninhabitable worlds as a "generous snub", but TH just grew some adaptable biomorphs and colonized the worlds anyways.
    did they build a giant statue of a hand giving the middle finger?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:44 No.8384068
    The problem with these things is that Salarians are the TACTICAL GENIUS of espionage and infiltration in this setting.

    If the Transhumans are up to something, there are chances the Salarians already know.

    The true advantage for the Transhumans are the Pandora Gates, and they still haven't figured out how the fuck do those things work.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:49 No.8384128

    Well, thats a little different, then. Before it was just do anything, and "oh, biomorgh, you can't do shit". That changes it a bit.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:53 No.8384196
    oh, and Re-spawn.

    They can be rushed. should the Galactic Council engage in decapitation strikes agains the Cornucopia Machines things are prone to go south for TH.

    Thats what the Batarians want to do, and leave TH like the Quarians.

    If they are left to their own devices however, they will gain large amounts of FUCKYEAR!DIUM and turn into canon Mass Effect human Mary Sues.

    EP transhumanity actually makes more sense than ME humanity in the meaning that they can't pull out a large navy out of their asses. and EP transhumanity has the infrastructure to pull a navy out of their asses.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:54 No.8384200

    Meh, TH use infiltration techniques and technology that council races can't even begin to comprehend. Though, after prolonged study Slarians would be the first to understand it but by that time TH would have deeply burrowed in every system imaginable if they wanted to
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)17:59 No.8384280
    lets fix this.

    EP TH is able to pull a System Alliance navy out of their asses. They can't do it now yet.

    ME humanity Fuck Year'd their way to the SUPERIOR NAVY IN THE GALAXY.

    Don't even try to justify the puny Turian Dreadnaughts, force projection with carriers would pwn that shit.

    There's a reason why there are no more Giant Battleships out there in the IRL navy.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)18:00 No.8384303

    To anybody who says mary-sue: transhumanity is its own worst enemy.

    Also, again, no unified front, so they really can't make gains anywhere in a hurry.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:02 No.8384341

    Yeah, but ultimately we want things to be an INTERESTING CLUSTERFUCK rather than a ONE SIDED INFESTATION of the Citadel by Transhumans. In short, the settings interest would be undermined by having the TH being unbeatable. Within their areas of superiority they should be able to win somewhat reliably, yes, but there should be at least one, preferably more, things that render the Council a legitimate and worthy adversary.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:05 No.8384390

    Thank you, yes.


    You say they are divided, but, they still hold a united front. They still get LOTS done. And if no one else can stay up...well, yeah, they will be their own worst, because no one else will do SHIT.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)18:09 No.8384454

    Sorry, but that's kind of the power that Transhumans have in their own setting.

    Because everything else is WORSE.

    For example, I don't want to think about what the Exurgent Virus would do if it got loose in transhuman/citadel space.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:09 No.8384462
    ME humanity is pretty mary sue on it's own, I don't see why EP TH shouldn't be mary sue (it makes even more sense for them to be)
    >> I haven't read Eclipse Phase, but from the sounds of it, this might be the trick. Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:12 No.8384508
    Fine, here's how transhumanity can be brought out of the god mode sue level that this thread is making them:

    They have no real common feeling with other transhumans.

    Think about it: when you're on the internet, you come across those kids who say all government everywhere sucks, patriotism is retarded for loving an abstract governmental system just because they held dominance over where you were born, and that in the end the only hope for mankind is liberal anarcho-communal capitalism.

    They're annoying. But on some small, fundamental level, you realize they have a point.

    Now, it's the far future. If people want to be happy, they can throw a switch for it to happen. If people want to have eight dicks spraying cum all over the place, if they have the money for it, they can flip off anyone that objects.

    How the fuck are the transhumanists supposed to have a cohesive government?

    This'll baffle every other species on the citadel when they realize that transhumanists hold no loyalty for transhumanists. Then they'll take advantage of it.

    Because, fuck, what do the transhumanists care about for the arcane terms of "species" and "Government" anyway? It'd be like suggesting to a citizen that he should find the nearest general and pledge fealty to him and start farming crops and start up feudalism again. It's a God damn joke. The only thing in common is the level of technology. They can work for the turians or the asari or the salarians, so long as their lifestyle is kept up, and these species offer the citizens something exotic.

    No transhuman united front. Just millions upon millions each dictating their own foreign policy, their only objective being their own pleasure.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:13 No.8384519

    Because it's boring. And they start to show the flaws more in ME2.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:15 No.8384548

    This....I like this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:17 No.8384573
    so TH become the ultimate "go-to" guys of the entire fucking galaxy?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:20 No.8384634

    To put things into perspective, EP transhumanity has several colonies on the fucking sun. That is ON the fucking sun.
    You can be sure they would colonize every damn rock would could find in the TEZ.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:21 No.8384655

    But TH are blockaded by Council so that wont really work. Unless they lift for this purpose only.

    But still, we have Firewall and Ozma who want (as I understand) to preserve Trans humanity
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:23 No.8384702
    Right up until an infomorph goes "LOL WUTS DIS BUTTON DO" and turns on the mass relay.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:24 No.8384712
    They're a gas in a room of solids.

    All the other species are concerned about their own species's sanctity, borders, stability, and status- not the transhumanist. What need has he to worry about the reputation Earth has? He would only be too glad to lend his expertise and knowledge to the Turian dock owner to see a new supra carrier design that could stave off the entire Bataarian fleet, so long as the Turian could arrange the acquisition of the entire library of colony Macedyn's soap operas. Transhumans will hardly be stopped by a great deal, moving in their ships and via broadcast to spread wherever they could find a home-

    This would be most vexing to those remaining transhumans that hold ideals for species and cultural dominance. Forcing them in turn to engage in privacy, secrecy, and securing their own perimeter, and making them very diminished in power as suddenly the galaxy on the whole is let in on all the transhuman secrets and methods thanks to the hedonists and their following desire.

    Heck, they're happy. What's the big deal if some other guys'll be slaved into shackled VIs? They've got their Hanar on Quarian porn feed jacked in, or whatever other esoteric interest they're pursuing that the galaxy would only be too glad to fulfill.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:26 No.8384749
    What? On the sun? How did they manage that?
    This is serious blow to the "TH shouldn't be steamrolling powerhouse of the galaxy"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:27 No.8384767
    So there's a black market for Transhuman information, all the better. And it'd give more reason for the "Earth First" transhumans to work with the Citadel- to curb all those assholes who don't care about politics from fucking everything up and making it easier for some Asari commandoes with some chips on their shoulders from messing up their server farms.

    If Transhumans are so powerful, there is nothing stopping an individual Transhuman from fulfilling their desire. And if there is nothing to stop a Transhuman from fulfilling their desire, then their is nothing to stop SOMEONE or SOMETHING from controlling the desire they want to fulfill.

    In a word, consumerism.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:29 No.8384798
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    What you described is basically a branch of humanity, more or less the Autonomist Alliance. There are plenty of anarchist who live by themselves and live on some sort of Reputation lifestyle. (if you want to build a research lab, you can do so if you have proved yourself to be a competent researcher)

    There are also the Hypercorps, large companies that have enslaved millions of Infomorphs during the evacuation of Earth and have an standing army at their disposal.

    There is also another Group, Firewall. which exists with the intention of protecting Transhumanity against any and all threats.

    And don't get me started into the Jovians, they are basically the Imperium style xeno/technophobes of the setting.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:29 No.8384803
    Nanoswarms go in first and rape anything that could conceivably be considered hostile. Once the area is pacified, the battlefleet hops in and fortifies the area.

    Also, for space combat: Nanobot missiles. Lodge in enemy armor, dump nanoswarm inside the hull programmed to kill organics only. Instant ship-capture. It's better than salvage corvettes!
    >> Abaddon 03/03/10(Wed)18:30 No.8384813

    So TH is just super Asari?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:35 No.8384908
    Note on Illium that Asari apparently DO have laws and regulations; otherwise Illium wouldn't be necessary.

    Also, there's Samara who is part of the crazy justicar stabbin' order.

    What I'm understanding of Transhumanists is that there is no law, no necessity for law if everyone is a crazy awesome computer program. No real loyalty to species- at least Asari have "Views" about pure blood mixing. In a transhuman society, in theory, disapproving of your fellows would be ridiculous, downright funny perhaps. It'd be like getting worked up into a frothing rage because someone prefers the left lane when they're driving- a joke.

    That kind of society I can't imagine could have a common nation.

    So that works. I guess the hypercorps would go out, offering their enslaved services in an attempt to gain more funds and provide some stimulation to jaded CEOs, Firewall would be getting pissed off hanging around Earth as "their" species went about prostituting themselves, the autonomists would think things were pretty cool, and the jovians would be terrorists.

    So, really, TH space would be another Terminus Systems.
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:39 No.8384970

    Over all, this seems to work better. Hell, there could even be a proper Shepard, no worrys about insti-cloning and just bitchslaping everyone with it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:46 No.8385076
    >Caloris 18
    >Fused all morphs together, then attempted to fuse the minds of all those joined.

    Holy shit, Transhumanity has already tried to pull a Reaper. Didn't go so well but damn, points for trying.

    Council should be shitting bricks at this.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:46 No.8385078
    >Reducing transhumans to the same level as the batarians.

    Shut up and read the fucking book before you speak, nigger.
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    >So wicked... I'll bet she's stays on top.

    Being ridden by a Quarian MILF.... Hmmm..
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)18:57 No.8385253
    I think that anons are new to this thread and EP as a whole.
    They are not considering the uplifter Octopi, Primates and Seed A.I.s that transhumanity have.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:00 No.8385301
    So TH are total mercenaries, pirates, rogues, anarchists, terrorists, lawmen, bounty hunters, and anything else that you can do just because you want to?

    Oh, and I think we should crank up Salarian espionage a bit. Make it on par or better than TH capabilities.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:02 No.8385326

    Hmmm... just some thoughts. And honestly, this was actually kinda covered way back in the second thread. Oh sure, people are already going over the lack of a common, racial identity, the insane degree of factionalism and so on.

    Here's something else to chew on.


    Aside from a few "artifacts of cultural significance" and rare, closely monitored excursions into the Galaxy at Large, the Systems Alliance is largely isolated in a manner difficult to overcome. Their access to the Galactic Extranet is almost nonexistent, and they are also physically cut off from the larger world, a matter of no small frustration to many, particularly among the Autonomists Alliance, Argonauts, and other fringe groups. While it has proven impossible to keep the "TH Threat" entirely contained, the quarantine is successful enough that encounters between Transhumans and the general populace of the Council or other entities is extremely rare.

    While numerous intelligence operations have been initiated by Systems Alliance member organizations against the Council, the record of these operations has been considerably spotty, due in large part to the extreme measures taken prevent them. The same cannot be said of the council, in particular the Salarian STG's, who are able to move about relatively unimpeded due to numerous sympathizer organizations, the Transhumans extreme factionalism, and their comparative lack of intercept capable combat craft - a weakness only exacerbated by the Jovian Junta's dogged overmilitarization and poor technological base, which has resulted in the loss of a large quantity of the Systems Alliances allotted military tonnage in slow and under armed craft.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:06 No.8385378
    >A quick primer on TH habitats

    It seems TH space is littered by space installations that might put Citadel to shame. IIRC Citadel is the largest space station in Mass Effect, right ?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:08 No.8385401
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    >Being honest with yourself was something you learned after living for centuries, and he decided that if this girl wanted to fuck, he'd go for it.
    Uncommonly sincere for a fapfic.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:12 No.8385457
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    My face when they where turning the Transhumans into Batarians because its "interesting."
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:16 No.8385499
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:23 No.8385592
    Why do we always start with this part?
    There was more before that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:30 No.8385703
    Well, they are more close to standard humans than Trans-humanity
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:33 No.8385746
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    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:34 No.8385759
    What the fuck are you faggots talking about.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:36 No.8385794
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    thats the part where contagonist started to write.
    and as far as I am concerned, the only good parts of these threads.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:43 No.8385933
    Just before he posted there was "Prologue" story, I think that was pretty neat. It was about an old archaeologist sent to the Prothean ruins on mars and other story about briefing before the ground retaliation on Shanxi colony.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:49 No.8386035
    ah, I see.

    thats another story from an actual fanfiction.

    that kinda died, its no longer updated.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:52 No.8386103
    Ah, I did not know that.
    Did the inspiration to make ME/EP crossover come from that thread?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:54 No.8386122
    What the fuck is this mary sue bullshit?

    Midthread: What, this is retarded. Here's something better.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)19:58 No.8386190
    Aww shut up.

    They almost turned the Transhumans into Batarians.

    Imagine a setting where they turn the Imperium into the Elcor, it just does not compute.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:00 No.8386234
    Did contagionist write more?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:02 No.8386250
    They were NOT turned into batarians, they were turned into a more realistic depiction of what a transhuman species would be.

    The batarians still care for their species and place in the galaxy, and roughly correspond to the typical "THIRD WORLD PEEPULZ" of the galaxy.

    Transhumans don't give a fuck about their species or place in the galaxy. If everyone of them is apparently capable of hacking everyfuckingthing, never having to worry about dying, and can take whatever form they want, then why the FUCK would they care about the rest of their species?

    If you had a jetpack, would you not use it? If you were invulnerable to bullets, would you care about what the police would say about you? If you could live without eating, would you give a shit about grain prices?

    I fail to understand why transhumans who have know need of body form or any other shit like that would bother sticking around with their fellows when there's a big ol' galaxy out there.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:03 No.8386273
    Well, let's see.

    The Systems Alliance deals with the Jovians in simple fashion: they offer them a deal involving actual planets on the outside. Jovians are pretty much all flats or splicers, and they tend not to use the sort of technology that the Council considers verboten, so they would actually be allowed out of the Zone.

    If the Jovians don't accept this, then the Systems Alliance expels them. Jupiter and its environs are just too useful to leave in the hands of the Jovians, and allowing them to have real power in any dealings with the Council is just going to fuck over the rest of transhumanity in ways like the fleet limitations.

    In one way or another, Firewall is likely to be operating outside of the Zone. They also are likely to be given a limited degree of tolerance from the Council; basically a "as long as you aren't too obvious, we'll pretend we won't see you". Not because the Council actually likes them, but because they'd rather let transhumanity clean up the TITAN mess than spend their own resources on it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:07 No.8386343
    Because underneath all the external changes, we're still humans.

    That's the difference between TRANShumanity, which is what the Eclipse Phase setting is about, and POSThumanity, which in Eclipse Phase is basically the TITANs and the handful of nutjobs who want to turn themselves into something like the TITANs.

    Posthumanity is something utterly alien to our experience. Transhumanity is just humanity 2.0, an assortment of upgrades built around the same basic design.

    So transhumans generally have the same sort of desires for socialization that we do. They have the same sort of factionalism, the same sort of curiosity, the same capacity for hate...

    They just have new ways in which to express all of it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:10 No.8386393
    Ah yes "the TITANs"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:11 No.8386423
    No what YOU fail to understand is that this isn't Transhuman Space in the Mass Effect Universe.

    This is Eclipse Phase in the Mass Effect Universe.

    Where a large portion is guided by Consumerism.
    I mean... fuck, do you even know what happened in Eclipse Phase?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:13 No.8386452
    If you keep doing that finger shit I'm going to morph into a copy of you and fuck your wife. And I'll be better then you ever will be. That way when you actually do fuck your wife after I do she'll be all like "Man he's gotten worse then last time." And she will be forever disappointed in you.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:15 No.8386494
    Therefore, there will be those handful of loners who head out into the galaxy like you suggest. But the vast majority of transhumanity is going to arrange itself, as it does in the Eclipse Phase setting, into a wide variety of cliques based on ideology and personal connections. Personal connections which are likely to be especially important to the average transhuman, given the massive trauma of The Fall. When 95% of your species dies over the course of one or two years, your homeworld is rendered an uninhabitable quarantine zone, and almost everyone who survived is forced to become transhuman by default, people are going to cling more tightly to the connections they can salvage from the chaos.

    Also, remember that total post-scarcity isn't something that EP transhumanity has achieved. They have nanofactories, not replicators; while they can disassemble and reassemble molecules, they can't actually transmute atoms into other elements. As a result, you need to have supplies of the appropriate feedstock to nanofacture any given item, and no one habitat or habitat group is likely to have everything it needs. Then you have to add in the need for helium-3 to power the fusion reactors, which is another resource that isn't available everywhere in the system. So while on an individual level post-scarcity is more-or-less possible, in that your allotment of feedstock and power is going to be well beyond what you could realistically make use of, the habitats themselves still need to trade.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:18 No.8386535
    Proving the existence of the TITANs is actually much easier than proving the existence of the Reapers.

    Just give the Council a good long long at something infected by a strain of the Exsurgent virus. Or let them send a camera drone to Earth. Even the Turian councilor is going to have a hard time denying that some seriously freaky shit is going on there.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:18 No.8386536

    You can't tell me a universe where shit like that is possible can possibly have a unified government capable of effective political action in an enter galaxy of possibility.

    All you'll need is some fuck off hurring to himself as he hacked himself into the Destiny Ascension using Eclipse Phase technomagic bullshit to start a pan galactic incident with whatever thing claims to represent the transhumans.

    Humans are CUNTS. Nobody likes paying taxes, nobody likes being told stuff they don't want to do, and everybody likes to have fun. Did the thought occur that maybe other species of the galaxy would be able to jump in on the consumerism?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:24 No.8386648
    What the fuck do people in Eclipse Phase DO all day if they aren't afraid of dying, running out of food, or getting their shit stolen?

    The basic requirements for government, as I understand in Eclipse Phase, are gone. And suggesting that the cliques or ideologies would unite and represent themselves on the galactic stage is as much of a joke as saying that the Soviet Union was a nation that represented every communist.

    What's the everybody's level of wealth? Education? Technology? At a certain point, government doesn't matter to them. Look at the capitalist revolution in the 1800s- all of a sudden, the kings of Europe grew horrified at the corporations that sprung up that were operating independently of countries. If every one in Eclipse Phase has commensurate power, the majority won't be satisfied with hanging out with the other Transhumans in their servers or whatever. They're going to want greater resources and sensations beyond the same old.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:24 No.8386656
    Yeah, but that's not really that much different than if some random turian or salarian or asari asshole starts fucking things up.

    "Random McDouchebag went off on his own to ruin some shit" isn't something that you can reasonably hold any governing body responsible for, because beyond a certain point there's no way you can stop a lunatic from doing something crazy.

    Also, the Systems Alliance in this 'verse would have the same tense relationship that the one in ME has with the still-independent Earth governments.

    Except even more so, because here they would explicitly have been created to create a united military and diplomatic front with the Citadel, instead of having been created to make it possible to pay the costs of interstellar exploration and colonization. The Systems Alliance is likely to be a completely separate faction from the ones in canon EP, one that most of the other factions recognize they need but that none of them particularly like (albeit for different reasons).
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:30 No.8386762
    It IS different.

    "Some fucking Salarian decided to steal a gun and shoot up the presidium. Thirteen dead. God damn shame."


    "One of those FUCKING super human AIs decided to break in to the Destiny Ascension and vent waste into the air ducts for shits and giggles. Laugh it up Vakarian, but imagine if that piece of shit decided to play peekaboo with the airlocks. They're way too fucking dangerous. What the HELL are the Systems' Alliance doing to keep them in line?"

    It's the difference between a Chinese man stealing a pistol and shooting a crowd of innocents and a Chinese man stealing a nuke and threatening LA with it. By your own estimations, people in Eclipse Phase are IMMENSELY powerful. What the Hell is there to control these people?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:34 No.8386852
    I think you missed the.

    "Death has been defeated... if you can pay the price."

    You also missed that infomorphs are most of the time Hypercorp slaves that can't think on their own. sort of like a dumbed down A.I.

    You also missed that Firewall protects Transhumanity, be it from external threats or from itself.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:42 No.8387001
    They're still humans. They still have the same instinctive need for some form of socialization that we do. And since it's much harder to completely dissociate yourself from all human contact in EP, due to the ubiquity of the Mesh, the people who do go off completely on their own are going to be very noticeable by comparison. And in a world where humanity nearly went extinct ten years ago, where there are still remnants of that war scattered all over the solar system, and where people who fuck with them even by accident could endanger transhumanity's survival, the tolerance for creepy loners is going to be fairly low.

    That it's still immensely difficult, if not impossible, to truly function on your own?

    Fabbers need feedstock and power, and the larger the fabber and the items you're making with it, the more you're going to need. You're also going to need blueprints, unless you're willing to code everything yourself, and even in EP it's going to be difficult to find blueprints for things that are obviously dangerous to the habitat you're living on. You're going to need some way of repairing or replacing your body if you lose it, and someone to maintain backups in case your stack and ego are destroyed. And you're going to need to have the skills, because not every transhuman is automatically a genius hacker.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:49 No.8387146
    For that matter, he missed that transhumans generally prefer biomorphs. Infomorphs and synthmorphs tend to be too reminiscent of The Fall for people to be fully comfortable with them. Especially when the vast majority of the survivors of The Fall either died during it and were retrieved from a backup later, or had to abandon their bodies and egocast out.

    Also, infomorphs are vulnerable to being hacked, as are synthmorphs. It's one of the things that helps balance them in-game. It's admittedly a fair bit harder to hack them than it is to hack a dumb AI, but it can be done.

    AGIs have even more problems in most of transhuman society because of the whole "out-of-control AI almost annihilated us just ten years ago" thing. It's not as bad as the Quarian attitude towards the Geth, but it's not necessarily great either; it ranges from "you have the same rights as anyone else" in some of the Autonomist habs to "DELETE AND PURGE" in Jovian territory, with most of the solar system erring more on the side of restriction than freedom.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:51 No.8387181
    What's so difficult about going off world and calling home? Or going across the galaxy with a gang of friends, going adventuring?

    It would be trivial to address the need for socialization, considering that people do it all the time anyway. And hey, maybe the asari are pretty alright to talk to, and they can serve as the supplement humanity needs.

    Also, I failed to see how humanity is not apparently genius level hackers seeing as how some fuck off colony of them reverse engineered the OS to a fucking battleship BASED OFF OF A GOD DAMN TANK.

    It's hard to reconcile the concept of Transhuman people being somehow needy and pathetic enough to require a government with all the other bullshit I hear about them. The society makes no God damn sense outside of the basic setting.

    And yet, there are still people that just upload themselves to digital formats that aren't enslaved.

    And yet, suddenly Firewall has to suddenly deal with a GALAXY wide infonet to comb through for the baddies.

    And going out of transhuman space to go trading will make you enough money to come back from the dead.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:51 No.8387191
    Firewall. Preventing idiots from doing this stuff is their whole purpose in standard EP; they'd just expand their purview a bit in EP/ME. Project Ozma would also try to stop morons from pissing off the aliens (albeit for different reasons) and they tend to be better supported and less nice than Firewall.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:53 No.8387234
    Could you try just reading the fucking book and getting back to us, or do you want us to directly quote the whole thing in this thread?

    I mean, the developers themselves posted a torrent of it on IsoHunt, it's not like it's that fucking hard to find.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)20:54 No.8387258

    Also, before Fall transhumans = furries and jellyfish and robot forms, for shits and giggles

    After Fall transhumans = mostly human forms, because they need something to hang on to.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:57 No.8387310
    What is the difference between Ozma and Firewall?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)20:59 No.8387354
    Ha, reminds me of Transmetropolitan
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:00 No.8387370
    What the Hell is stopping transhumanity from infecting the galactic net at large?

    By your own admission, transhumanity just needs time and it can WTFPWN everybody. Why the Hell are some individuals waiting in an entirely free society? If the arrangements can be made, why doesn't an AGI just get itself encoded on the next episode of Cheers sent off to Turian space? Why doesn't a biomorph reduce itself to a brain in the jar to be smuggled?

    Either you get an absolutist, nightmarish Orwellian state with thought crimes punishable by deletion, or you get transhumanity spreading out everywhere. I fail to see how there could be anything else considering how fuck huge space is, and how apparently the transhumans are still connected to the net.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:01 No.8387403
    You know, here's a thought: perhaps the tension between the various other factions of Transhumanity and the Systems Alliance might be, I don't know, SOMETHING TO EXPLORE IN-GAME?

    The Systems Alliance here is being founded for one purpose and one purpose only: prevent aliens from exterminating Transhumanity. The other factions are likely to grudgingly agree with the need for a unified front militarily, and agree with a unified diplomatic front solely because the Citadel isn't going to be willing to negotiate with multiple governing bodies per race. But none of them are going to be happy about it, all of them are going to try to find ways around it, and most if not all of them are going to try to find ways to make it unnecessary. Let's not even get into the fact that the main reason why the Systems Alliance would be its own faction is that none of the factions that created it are going to support it at all if they think that one of the other factions is controlling it and using it against them.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:01 No.8387405
    Buuuuuuuut there were the jellyfish peoples.

    Hey hang on, in that bullshit wankfiction that faggot wrote, he talked about military designed bioforms or some shit. What the fuck? How the Hell did they have an army ready to go, or do they have hyper accelerated growth bullshit tacked on to the rest of the handwave?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:02 No.8387432
    I don't want to waste time reading a book on transhumanist bullshit of all things, when I can just pick apart the arguments as they come.

    The concept of a transhuman 'nation' is retarded. If people have the bitchfests they have about taxes now, imagine how they feel when they don't have to worry about paying and maintaining roads and shit like that.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:05 No.8387490
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    If you really want to freak out the Council races, show them some Von Neumann machines.

    Drop a nanofabricator on an empty planet with a couple of little rovers. The rovers collect dirt and dump it in the fab, the fab builds solar panels and extra rovers to speed up production. Eventually it gets enough feedstock to build a second nanofabricator, and sends half its rovers to carry the new fab a few kilometers away and assemble it, then the process repeats.

    Let's assume this is going fairly slow, you're lazy and don't feel like expending thought and energy on prospecting for ores and digging deep holes in the ground with your dinky little rovers, so you make do with whatever dirt you can scrape off the planet's surface. You can compensate for a lack of resources by programming the nanofabricators with a wide variety of designs for metallic, plastic, organic, or even crystalline versions of every part and send out clockwork rovers made of glass if you're clever enough. But it's still going to be slow.

    Assuming it takes 2 weeks for each nanofabricator to build a fully operational copy of itself, after one year (52 weeks, or 26 generations) you'll have about 67 million (2^26) nanofabricators online. In two years you could build two nanofabricators for every square meter of the earth's surface (even the wet parts).

    Seed a few hundred of the dry, "useless" terrestrial planets that no one ever visits with Von Neumann machines, then come back in a couple of years and reprogram them to start building fun stuff.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:06 No.8387520
    >agree with a unified diplomatic front solely because the Citadel isn't going to be willing to negotiate with multiple governing bodies per race

    Why not?

    If a single colony can kill an entire Turian fleet with two dudes and a shuttle craft, then I doubt that the citadel would be found disrespectful of each individual colony's opinion. They'd probably like the thought of not having a unified front SUPER CYBORG MORPHIN HACKERS to deal with.

    And the transhumans wouldn't mind a bit having THEIR interests and THEIR agenda put forward, the others be damned with their whinging about what's best for the whole.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:06 No.8387524
    OP here.

    I'm not sure if its worth archiving this thread.

    There has been too little contribution to the actual thread and more of a pointless discussion if the EP transhumanity are marysues or not.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:08 No.8387555
    Man, stuff is fun when you don't have to think about physical laws of reality.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:10 No.8387598
    That's actually a really good comparison. You know how one of the big themes of Transmet is "technology changes, but humans are the same old assholes"? Well, it applies just as effectively to Eclipse Phase.

    Because if we answered those questions, there wouldn't be a damn game to play.

    Have you actually stopped to read a single fucking thing in this thread?

    THERE ARE NO TRUE GOVERNMENTS IN ECLIPSE PHASE. The closest you come to one is the Jovian Junta, and they only manage it by repression of their own people and not being worth the effort for the rest of the solar system to squash.

    Otherwise, each individual hab is its own political entity. Clusters of habs tend to be culturally similar because of lightspeed lag making realtime interpersonal communications with distant hab clusters much more difficult.

    The factions aren't governments as much as they are loose groupings held together by common interests and ideology.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:12 No.8387638

    One, a lot of military stuff survived the Fall. Two, people still fight amongst each other. Three, transhumanists isn't one giant big happy nation, it's a bunch of different factions with differing opinions and ideas.

    In short, your complete ignorance shines through.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:16 No.8387698

    How many factions are there? At first I though there are like half a dozen, now I'm beginning to think there are more than a hundred
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:19 No.8387750
    This actually got discussed on the EP forums.

    Consensus is that, while it is technically feasible, it also would be extremely obvious even in the early stages. It's one of those couple of things that all of the factions agree on the proper response to: destroy it with extreme prejudice.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, I disagree with some of what Contagonist wrote? I know, people having different opinions on the Intertubes, it's probably a big fucking shock to you.

    Feel free to archive; I think we've got some worthwhile stuff in spite of the fuckwad who can't be bothered to actually look at the setting before opening his piehole.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:21 No.8387782
    It didn't took 2 dudes and a spacecraft.

    It took a wide net of the best hackers from Firewall, Ozma and the help of Prometheans.

    You know what Prometheans are? they are Seed A.I., basically A.I.s that can upgrade themselves at an exponential rate..

    Wait. why I'm I even talking to you? you are just another troll.

    The setting was already established, what you are asking is akin to changing the canon of whatever just because it doesn't conform to your personal needs.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:23 No.8387830

    People form groups for self defense, to prevent other groups of people from killing you and taking your stuff. If you die in Eclipse Phase, you need to have someone who cares enough about your continued existence to put your backup in a new body. If you're an anti-social asshole or trouble maker, people will either delete your backups or edit your personality.

    The people who hacked the Turians in the aforementioned writefaggotry were a special ops group that was using an incredibly expensive FTL communications link to let all of their AI and hacker buddies back home brute force the Turian computers in real time.


    They have combat specialized biomorphs on hand because they spent a lot of time fighting other humans and reality warping space mutants before they bumped into the Turians.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:28 No.8387919
    Fifteen listed in the book. Twelve backgrounds. All of which are more general guidelines with a few specific mechanical consequences than hard limits.

    Plus the array of hypercorps active in the system, all of the different hab clusters, Firewall...

    There are a whole lot of different groupings in the solar system.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:30 No.8387958
    What would YOU do in EP, /tg/?

    Me, I'd found a habitat where at least 30 forks of myself are busy screwing each other at all times and spend the rest trying to work out how to turn my backup into a seed AI, or gaining level 3+ psi without going bonkers.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:34 No.8388012
    Did anyone mention to you that one of the major crime syndicates in the solar system is actually just one woman and a shitload of her forks?

    No, seriously, it's there in the book.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:36 No.8388061
    How do TS reproduce? Aside from making just copies of themselves. Do they even have children? How?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:38 No.8388105
    Flats and splicer morphs.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:38 No.8388108
    I'd probably gatecrash.

    And if I had the money or rep to get any morph I wanted, I'd go octopus at least once.

    Or I'd make a customized neo-avian morph and then become the Philosoraptor.

    Or read Ghost in the Shell and then try to build my own Tachikoma.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:39 No.8388133

    The old fashioned way is the safest way. Attempts to modify childhood development have ended... badly
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:42 No.8388169

    One form of copy-protection in the more exotic morphs is probably that any offspring are going to be just ordinary flats or splicers. If you actually want a Fury, or a Menton, or an Olympian or what have you, you have to get it cloned and vat-grown like everyone else. Uplifts can naturally reproduce; at least, the ones who aren't still owned by the corps that originally created them.

    There's also probably some sort of funky infomorph equivalent of reproduction.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:45 No.8388230
    Although I suspect that had more to do with contaminated genestock than with the actual raising process.

    Having every single child in your project be infected with the Exsurgent virus that gives people psi abilities in the womb (or artificial equivalent), then having them spend most of their time between birth and age 18 in a simulated environment where those psi abilities don't function, is not going to help emotional stability.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:46 No.8388249
    Makes 'em great liars, though
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:50 No.8388313

    I was always under the impression that two morphs of the same kind produced offspring of the same type. On another note, transhumanity would be able to reproduce quite fast in emergencies, 90% of the population or so simply has to resleeve into female morphs and then the male segment can get down to business. This always vexed me when reading the fluff since it would've allowed TH civilization to stabilise quicker after the TITANs went haywire.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:53 No.8388362

    You know what else didn't help? Raising kids in an environment where there are no consequences for things like murdering your playmates. "Whoops, looks like Timmy fell off the jungle gym again, better reload him from back up. You kids play safe now!"
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:56 No.8388427

    It's been like ten years, they barely have the resources to support the people who can work, let alone children.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)21:57 No.8388440
    Jargon jargon
    Nonsense nonsense
    derp transhumanity derp
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:01 No.8388508
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:10 No.8388712
    If specialized morphs bred true, the people who design and market them would be out of business. Therefore, it's logical to assume that their reproductive organs (assuming they aren't sterilized from the get-go) are designed produce splicer sperm or ova.

    As for your second point, transhumanity in Eclipse Phase is still getting its feet back under it, and not everyone gets to live a post-scarcity life of luxury. Children aren't always something that people can afford. And not every guy is going to be willing to resleeve into a female body to have kids. And biomorphs in general are relatively rare compared to the total number of transhumans; resource-wise, biomorphs are harder to make than synthmorphs, take longer to prepare, and require more resources to sustain once you finish growing them.

    The Lost were a clusterfuck in pretty much every way.

    Other children aren't going to be raised to be totally cavalier towards life and death, though; even if you don't ruin someone's stack or cause permanent damage to their ego, killing someone's morph is like burning down their house. You really don't want to be held liable for that.

    Quiet sweetie, the adults are talking.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:12 No.8388729
    Why are transhumanfags such a bunch of socially retarded faggots? Is it the fact that they're the same as furries?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:18 No.8388868
    Wait, what did you just say?

    Fuck, you actually meant it! Do you have any idea what those raw materials were worth to the Republic, you idiot? We can't fucking well recycle traitors into feedstock if you just dropped them into fucking Jupiter!

    God, I'm going to have to do a fuckton of extra paperwork to deal with this. And I'm going to have to hire a new assistant.

    On the flipside, you're about to be transferred to a new position! I hope you enjoy patrolling Io, Citizen, because you're going to be doing a lot of it. And remember, anti-rad drugs aren't part of your health plan.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:20 No.8388910

    It's because we're literally better than you. And both we and you know it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:23 No.8388973
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    Ah yes, "Furries"

    The Council has already discarded all those claims
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:24 No.8388987

    Three words: Female neotenic morph.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:28 No.8389066

    According to the fluff, in the outer system everything gets pirated within 2-6 months despite DRM that probably makes the Exsurgence virus look tame. The only way to turn a profit from IP is to constantly come up with new designs so that things will be old and unpopular by the time they get cracked. Either that or move to a reputation based economy where being famous is the same as being rich.

    Running off a few copies of your 'morph is probably just a matter of scrounging up the biomass and paying the power bill on the fabricator.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:34 No.8389227
    So, with all this..

    What are Shepard origin story probabilities?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:36 No.8389286

    I don't want to get in touch with my kinder, wiser animal spirit or find acceptance with a pack of perverts who dress as sports mascots, I just want to download porn directly into my brain. Is that too much to ask for?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:37 No.8389315

    The Citadel wouldn't have any interest whatsoever in having a transhuman specter. It's possible that the Citadel might unwittingly appoint a specter who happens to be a transhuman inhabiting a Turian/Salarian/Asari/Whatever morph, but I think that even that would be unlikely.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:39 No.8389340

    Why download porn when you can fork off a few octomoprhs and resleeve yourself into a neotenic?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:43 No.8389445

    Easier just to nab an existing specter and install an infomorph into their biotic amp or something. The council didn't notice when Saren starting going batshit insane, I doubt they'll care if one of their specters starts arguing with the voice in his head.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:46 No.8389494

    But that alone won't elimante the market for spec.morphs, a lot of people and organisations would still want the option of resleeving for black/spec ops and whatnot. Besides it's pretty cynical to assume that people would breed sleeved in special morphs just so they could exploit the system. Transhumans still love each other you know ;_;. That's pretty much equivalent to mothers getting kids just so they can leech child benefits. Though it may not have been intentional on your part but that's the vibe I got from your statement, anon.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:54 No.8389667
    Biomorphs can't be run off in a standard nanofabber. You need something that can actually make living tissue. And that can keep it alive while it matures; even with the available techniques for maturing the body quicker, it still takes a few months to grow a biomorph out from embryo to adult.

    Biomorphs are one of the few things in the EP world that are still hard to get most places, especially if you want something better than a splicer. The fact that PCs stand a good chance of having them isn't representative of the average person in the setting.

    The book also recommends that DMs not automatically allow people the morph of their choice on resleeving if having it makes no sense. You want a splicer, it'll cost you but it's doable on relatively short notice. You want something heavily customized and wared to the gills to replace the Fury morph you got shot out from under you? Unless you made prior arrangements or roll real well on the relevant skill check, you're probably not going to find one with your exact specifications. And if you're, say, infiltrating the Jovian Junta or otherwise in a location that's only going to have a limited array of morphs? Then you're SOL.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:56 No.8389698
    Because some Japanese person already did it and put a full experience playback of it out on the Mesh, and they were much better at it then you were?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)22:58 No.8389743
    Just because he's not a Specter doesn't mean he's not

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:02 No.8389853
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    Fury sucks. Remade is where it's at. ULTIMATE 4 LYFE. THUG LYFE. YO.

    Boom doof doof.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:04 No.8389876
    I can see the Council making a Transhuman Specter for three reasons. First reason is to make the impression that they're playing nice with transhumanity as a way of quieting the transhuman factions that are trying to circumvent the Zone. Second reason is because if he fucks up, they have another stick to beat transhumanity with, both in official diplomacy and in public opinion. Third reason is that he'd just be that damn useful, especially since Specters already operate outside standard rules and regs in order to give the Council plausible deniability.

    The corps that specialize in biomorphs are going to be trying to protect their business, and this is a logical step to take. It costs them far less than somebody breeding their own morphs would. And it costs everyone far less then the consequences of people breeding completely different biomorphs together to try to make their own superbabies.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:06 No.8389916
    I'm not sure what the story has to do with anything, but since it's awesome I'll let that slide.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:09 No.8389966
    I like that everyone assumes that the Citadel would just hurp and be retarded in the face of a very advanced species. What, turians can't tech up along with humans?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:09 No.8389979
    Now here's an interesting question: where exactly will Cerberus fit into all of this?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:11 No.8390025
    Humanity are special little snowflakes that no one else can ever ever hope to be.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:12 No.8390052
    Random picture. Just sayin': Remade awesome, Ultimates awesome, fury= shit.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:13 No.8390074
    Cerberus is Firewall and Ozma.

    I dunno if people would be willing to get pregnant, deliver and then hop into another body and sell the baby as a morph. Wouldn't they have to wipe the child's brain? Or would it be programmed to not develop a mind in the first place? I suppose that would make things easier.

    I just got an image of corp-sponsored orgies where the air is pumped full of aphrodisiacs and the female morphs are pumped full of fertility drugs, and there's not a single baseline human in sight.

    EP is /d/ paradise.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:13 No.8390086
    >Yeah, in the future there'll be no governments or taxes or anything, and everyone will be aligning by ideology and social contracts!
    >What? No, of course there is only one group responsible for talking with aliens. Are you retarded?

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:15 No.8390126
    I think the issue with that is that Transhumanity violates pretty much every technology proscription the Citadel Council has.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:19 No.8390205
    "Greetings, Transhumanity! We have come with the new laws for this year. First, the following technologies are prohibited:

    "Sorry, we developed that shit back in 2030. You guys sure you don't want an AI to run the citadel for you? Excuse me, I need to orgasm, I'm being fucked by an octomorph."
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:19 No.8390223
    So, why would the Citadel even tolerate transhumanity in the slightest? And vice versa?

    If transhumanity is so badass, why don't THEY dictate the terms of the relationship?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:20 No.8390224
    >"Sorry, we developed that shit back in 2030. You guys sure you don't want an AI to run the citadel for you? Excuse me, I need to orgasm, I'm being fucked by an octomorph."

    Time to go vote down some threads.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:20 No.8390230
    That's why I disagree with Contagonist on that one.

    The Systems Alliance doesn't exist because the various factions of EP all learned how to play nice with each other, it exists because none of the factions want to be killed by the aliens and none of them trust any one of the others to be in charge.

    In EP/ME, the Systems Alliance should pretty much be a more powerful UN. They have grudging cooperation from the factions in the Solar System, but only because none of those factions like the current alternatives. If any of them find an option they like better, they'd tell the Systems Alliance to get bent in a heartbeat.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:22 No.8390276
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    They're trying to wedge together a space opera setting and a post modern sci fi setting!
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:23 No.8390293
    When did it become fapfiction btw? Can I get a run down on that?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:24 No.8390315
    Because the Citadel doesn't have the strength to take down transhumanity without suffering unacceptably heavy losses in the process, and because transhumanity isn't strong enough to take on all of Citadel space at once and win?

    I also think that a decent chunk of transhumanity would see the Citadel races as useful if or when the TITANs show up again, either as allies or as meatshields.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:26 No.8390349
    Mainly because it's fun. And if it works, it would be insanely epic.

    It was posted on 4chan. Anything posted here, given enough threads, WILL have fapfiction show up. No exceptions.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:28 No.8390377
    There's a huge number of things that prove you wrong, but I'm more interested in when it became a dominant interest. I mean, it's tagged with fapfiction.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:29 No.8390393
    I'm sorry, but everyone's just out and out saying that transhumanity can just hack and replace the entire citadel with maybe a month's worth of work. That doesn't bespeak a relationship that would last very long.

    If the United States couldn't spend the first half of the twentieth century not wracked with paranoia about possible communists infiltrating Hollywood and the government based upon it being a semi popular ideology at the time, the Citadel would flip a titanic bitch over the thought of undetectable clones.

    And how hard would it be for the transhumans to justify such measures in any case? It'd be like Great Britain agreeing "Okay, no rifles" when the Zulu complained.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:30 No.8390423
    I don't know if it CAN work.

    Mass Effect is a space game of adventure-fun times, zipping across the galaxy with a veneer of realism to pew pew evil machine people.

    Eclipse Phase is... Not. At all.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)23:31 No.8390446

    >flip a titanic bitch over the thought of undetectable clones


    So we don't tell them. Which is why ALL of transhumanity thinks it's a bad idea to mention that they can do it.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:34 No.8390495
    This lasts HOW long?

    "Transhuman ambassador, you appear to have changed your skeleton into shining silver which is visible through your skin."
    "Oh, yeah, I felt like it."
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:36 No.8390526
    Any sort of contact with transhumanity will make it painfully obvious that form is something less than permanent for a transhuman.
    >> No Man 03/03/10(Wed)23:37 No.8390551
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    They'd still require genetic material from citadel races for the levo-protein faffery.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:39 No.8390576
    How hard's that to get?
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:39 No.8390581
    That's why I think they're wrong. It's something transhumans COULD do, but it wouldn't be easy, it wouldn't be fast, and even the slightest fuckup means the entire Citadel Navy is torching the Zone.

    On the other hand, given C-Sec's track record, transhumanity wouldn't have to go to that much trouble. Walking a novacrab morph in through the front door would probably just make them wonder when the rest of the circus was showing up or something.

    There's more than enough potential for horror in the ME universe to mesh it with Eclipse Phase.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:44 No.8390662
    Reaper morphs are like the keepers! Except mechanical! Do the council members want one as a pet? Here, take one. Take one for everyone. REAPERS FOR ALL.

    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:44 No.8390669
    Nah. Transhuman Ambassador to the Citadel (and for that matter pretty much staff member that the Citadel public might run into) would be a hardship posting precisely because they wouldn't be allowed to do that. Creeping out the Citadel Council even more isn't beneficial for any of the Transhuman factions, except maybe the handful of Jovians who think they'd be spared if the Council decided to purge transhumanity (for the record, they're wrong).
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:46 No.8390704
    I just had an idiotic but hilarious mental image: whichever hypercorp is known for manufacturing Reaper morphs suing the Reapers for trademark infringement.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:47 No.8390723
    If you're Shepard?

    Not very.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:48 No.8390742
    Sovereign behind a desk, wearing a suit, shuffling papers.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:49 No.8390776

    I get the feeling that trademark disputes in EP tend to involve a great deal of violence.
    >> Anonymous 03/03/10(Wed)23:54 No.8390856
    It depends on whether it would be more cost-effective to file the lawsuit or to send mercs to kill the offender and anything he's ever loved.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:04 No.8391025
    "Commander Xepard," Delanynder turned, patterns of luminescence flashing across the equatorial stem, staying notable far from the dorsal region- a sign of nervousness, "This one is...Most surprised at your sudden presence. This one humbly inquires if there is something this one can do to help the first batarian specter?"

    "Yes, there is," Xepard glanced behind Delanynder, staring to his backroom, "I would like to consult with your new VI."

    Delanynder's translator paused for a moment, a slight barely perceptible buzz only to Xepard's ears the only sign that Delanynder was actually considering speaking, and not just silent, "This one was unaware that its merchandise was of such interest to the specter, perhaps-"
    "Please, Delanynder, the backroom."
    "...Very well, spectre."

    Commander Xepard took a moment to glance behind him, to his comrades. The quarian nodded, opening her omni tool and leaned beside the entrance, as the krogan took Xepard's flank as he entered the sparse inventory in pursuit of the drifting Hanar.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:14 No.8391197
    "This one had only recently acquired its new purchase. It one wonders how the ever perceptive and famous Commander Xepard managed to hear of it."

    "I heard it from a reliable source," replied the commander flatly, his four eyes blinking in sequence as he looked past the hanar. It looked for the life of him almost exactly like one of the Avina mounts spread throughout the Citadel presidium.

    "This one would hope-"
    Commander Xepard stepped past the Hanar to engage the device. A bare buzz, and almost sluggishly a hologram crawled to life in front of the machine, and in Xepard's position before light emitters compensated, displaying the hologram to the right of Xepard, facing him. It had an asari face, hued somewhat purple in the light, and in sharp focus.

    "Hello. I am a Hahne-Kedar Type 3 Model Virtual Intelligence System, Administrative Assistant model. Seeing as this is the first time you are running me, I was wondering if-"
    "Questions," Stated Commander Xepard flatly.

    "Question functionality at this time has not been localized-" The mellifluous voice responded politely, before Xepard spoke again.

    "What is two plus two?"
    "Where is the Citadel located?"
    "The Citadel is located within the heart of the Serpent Nebula, approximatel-"
    "What is the current population of Khar'Shan?"
    "The population of the batarian homeworld is at last check four billion, three hundred and seventy two-"
    "Speed of light."
    "Two hundred, ninety nine million, seven hundred and ninety two thousand, four hundred and fifty eight meters per second within vacuum."
    "What is the genophage?"
    "The genophage was a salarian generated plague designed to be used against the Krogan at the height of the Krogan rebellions-"
    "Why are AIs banned?"
    "The Council, in its opinion, decreed them too dangerous, and curbed their utility-"
    "Why should the Council ban artificial intelligences?"
    "The Council decided that because-"
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:21 No.8391299
    Bracing for infomorph shenanigans.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:22 No.8391314
    c'mon c'mon c'mon I need the next part
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:23 No.8391339
    The VI halted suddenly. Xepard stared at the hologram, as the ghostly asari stared down.
    "I am sorry, the previous question was outside of my range that I could answer."

    "Yes. Good try though," The specter glanced over at Delanynder, "Who did you buy this from?"
    "This one is uncertain if it should speak any further without an advocate present."

    "Really." The Krogan stepped carefully between the hanar and the door- an idle move, for a threat. The hanar could not have moved with speed enough to get away in any case.

    "Leave it Wrex," Xepard turned to the AI, waving at the hologram, "We'll have plenty of time to talk to Delanynder when he's put away for slavery."
    "Slavery!" The lights managed to band its entire form, clear in the visible spectrum as the translator inadequately expressed the hanar's outrage, "This one holds no slaves! Why should Commander Xepard accuse this one of slavery?"
    "Transhumans count as sentient species thanks to their agreement with the Council," Commander Xepard replied casually, turning to stare at the silent hologram, "Trying to employ them in a business without proper compensation or fair treatment is a crime against sentience, Delanynder."
    "This one- the Commander- this-"
    "We might be convinced that you didn't realize this of course," Commander Xepard turned to Delanynder, "If you agree to talk."

    "...This one...Has no choice in the matter. This one would only beg that the Commander would please drop the charges in exchange. For the sake of this one's family, cursed to have so unworthy a patriarch."
    "Smells like varren drops to me commander," The krogan spoke, turning to the batarian, "I say haul him in, before he warns his friend."
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:29 No.8391422
    I do have to ask: a batarian who doesn't like slavery?

    Bet you he got to be a Specter because the other batarians wanted to get rid of him and for some reason couldn't just have him killed.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:30 No.8391442
    Yeah the slavery thing was not what I was expecting.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:34 No.8391496
    "Commander Xepard," The hologram spoke now, with inflections, the ruse dropped. The eyes sharpened in focus now, staring at Xepard's four with two molded with pure disdain, "First batarian specter. Orphan off of Khar'shan, indentured by Romarok as a slave-soldier, managed a rise of caste by leading the way in clearing Omega. Impressive career. But not one to train you in technical studies."
    "You've heard a lot about me. But I don't that was worked into your databanks," Xepard instinctively moved his hand to his pistol. Wrex held no such pretenses, and was pointing his shotgun straight through the holograms stomach, a bare inch from the VI bank that it broadcasted from.

    "Your quarian- Tali. Tell the wretched girl her firewalls need work. I needed barely a moment of silence to breach them and get to the extranet to run a search. You know nothing about what's going on, and all you're doing by this is biting the hand that feeds."
    "If you've breached her firewalls, why haven't you copied yourself over yet?"
    The transhume stared back at Xepard, glaring, as a grin spread across his face.
    "Darn. I was hoping you'd try to get through the white noise layer. Tali! We need a black box."

    Despite his bravado, Xepard at heart was worried even as the hologram winked off and the transhume tech was placed in the secured tech box. He hadn't liked taking the assignment from the delegation in the first place, and the AGI's words haunted him: if it managed to summon that kind of information, what whispers did it manage to get out?
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:34 No.8391497

    In all honesty, it's possible, even likely, that the entire "brutal oppressive anti-hunam slavery" thing happened -after- they became a rogue state. I kinda doubt the Citadel would really tolerate that sorta thing from one of their client states at least.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:37 No.8391558
    No if you listen to some of the news announcements the Batarians say that Slavery is part of their culture and that they refuse to relinquish it no matter what the council says. The Batarians were enslaving one another long before humans showed up.

    Back then though it was probably more like Greek or Roman slavery, treated at least humanely and you could buy your way out, rather than the more African version that they use on humans.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:41 No.8391629
    So who was the AGI working for, I wonder?
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:42 No.8391652
    Probably Firewall
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:43 No.8391662

    Well, actually I did hear that... I just didn't believe it. Seemed rather too far fetched for me, given that slavery is kinda useless in a technologically sophisticated society.

    I suppose it could be the case, but I still consider it a bit difficult to take at face value, particularly given that the Batarian government, canonically, is batshit fucking crazy.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:45 No.8391681
    Bet you the real reason it didn't copy over was because there was no way to do it without being noticed. An infomorph is going to have a whole lot of data, far more than the usual download would. Not to mention that, unless there was enough space filled with complete junk, he'd either have to delete something noticeable to fit in or he'd have to hope that Tali didn't look down and get suspicious about the extra petabyte of files she didn't have five seconds ago.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:46 No.8391698
    The fact that they're batshit fucking crazy might be part of why they still have slavery.

    It's also probably a cultural prestige thing. Of course the cheaper and more efficient way would be to use machines and VIs, but using slaves instead shows that you can afford to do things the less efficient way.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:46 No.8391700
    It's a cultural artifact. Even though technologically it is unnecessary the Batarians never let go of the concept and carried it with them.

    Kind of like how people still drink Alcohol in our society. It destroys your liver and dampens intellect. Surely a technologically advanced species would have no purpose for it.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:47 No.8391714
    "Commander Xepard, a pleasure to see you."

    The worst thing about the transhume ambassador was how close it looked to normal. Like a Batarian. Well, more closely, like an asari, though this one didn't have mammaries. Shining blue eyes under white flicked hair stared at him.

    "I trust the assignment was a success?"
    "Yes," Xepard muttered as he set the black box down on the ambassador's desk. Tali and Wrex stood behind him, shifting uneasily. He did his best to make up for the dis ease of his friends with confidence.
    "Thank you very much- it is good to know that even those with nominal membership on the citadel can expect prompt action from the spectres," the ambassador reached over, dragging the heavy leaden box to his side of the table- was there a flicker of something as he reached for it? Couldn't have been.

    "The only reason I'm doing this is because the last thing anyone wants is one of your kind breaching the Zone," Growled Commander Xepard, "And the only reason I'm giving you that box is because the council ordered me to."
    "The council is very wise, Commander Xepard- at least in this case," The Ambassador narrowed his eyes, "And they know when it is proper to give due respect- something I hope they'll inspire in you one day."
    "I'm sorry, I was told honesty was favored by your peoples. Perhaps you're not used to talking to someone that isn't programmed to worship you."
    The Ambassador leaned back in his chair, and looked at the batarian. He shook his head- an odd trait that seemed far too common among the Citadel species.
    "And I was told batarians didn't object to slavery. How did your species get into the citadel with that?"
    "My people's traditions are not on trial. After promises from the Hegemony, the Council saw fit to incorporate our species as they had proven themselves worthy."
    "Or they sought a counterweight to our arrival. No matter, Commander Xepard. You've done a great deed this day, even if you seek to undo it with your words."
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:52 No.8391796
    The plot thickens!
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:57 No.8391858
    Ah yes, "Bump"
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:57 No.8391863
    I can't wait for this shitty thread to autosage.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:59 No.8391895
    >Kind of like how people still drink Alcohol in our society. It destroys your liver and dampens intellect. Surely a technologically advanced species would have no purpose for it.

    Not only that but there are other mind-altering substances that produce more profound effects while still managing to be less dangerous.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)00:59 No.8391905
    Ah yes, this so-called "autosage".
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)01:00 No.8391916
    "Very well, Ambassador-" Commander Xepard turned to leave, until he noticed the human Ambassador rising. A hand was proffered to him. A batarian tradition.

    Xepard slowly, his eyes focusing on the Ambassador's, took the hand into his own. Stared past the Ambassador, to the datapads on his desk- for only a moment before the Ambassador spoke again, and placed himself between Xepard and his work.

    "An old human tradition, if you'd pardon me. I'm somewhat sentimental for the past," The Ambassador smiled then, unhealthy white shining from between red lips, "I heard your people had a similar tradition, and decided to indulge."
    "Yes, we do. A moment of trust, allowing us both a set of eyes to share security in all directions."
    "Really? Ours was to make sure the other didn't have a weapon in hand to kill us with," The Ambassador shrugged, as he sat down, and turned his chair away, "I suppose that's something in common. Both useless in this day and age, eh? Thank you, Commander Xepard. I'm sure there's much a spectre needs doing."

    "Those humans give me chills," Whispered Tali as they exited the presidium embassies.
    "He's just a politician. They're all like that," reassured Wrex, "If it weren't for people like them, people like me would be out of a job."

    "I don't know if he's any ordinary politician," Commander Xepard turned then, to stare back at the embassies, "The Prothean beacon, back on Tumaat Prime-" Xepard brought a hand up to his head then, thinking, trying to gain control of the elusive alien memory crawling in his skull.
    "What is it Xepard?"
    "...Nothing," Xepard frowned, shaking his suspicions. Shouldn't humans breathe? And weren't they warmblooded?

    At least he had worn gloves when he shook the thing's hands.

    "C'mon. The Council's waiting."
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)01:05 No.8391977
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    Transhumanity is fun.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)01:17 No.8392150
    A synthmorph, huh?

    Or the ambassador just has some of the quality upgrades. Like the one that lets you control your body's temperature, or the one that reduces the amount of oxygen you need (and thus the amount you have to breathe).
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)01:33 No.8392454
    So is the writefagging over, or...?
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)01:34 No.8392482
    Well I don't know where else to go or what features to cover.

    I just thought Citadel security re: infomorphs was interesting to touch on.
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)02:05 No.8392919
    Well, I guess we can figure that out another time.

    Although Xepard is all but guaranteed to end up with a transhuman on his team at some point; if not in this game, then in the next. Especially because, if ME2 is any judge, Transhumanity is likely to be the only major player in the galaxy who actually would believe him about the Reapers.

    I like having the Reapers and TITANs be separate, though, and making the ETI responsible for the entire mess. It ensures that the storyline has to end with more of a thoughful sort of victory (like the better endings of Planescape Torment, for example) instead of just "durr i shoot da thing until it dies".
    >> Anonymous 03/04/10(Thu)02:06 No.8392937
    God damnit, everytime, without fail, every time I see "Transhuman," I read it as "Trashhuman."

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