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    256 KB Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)20:46 No.8943116  
    Hey there /tg/. If you don't mind, I would like to enlist your creative talents a little bit more (since you guys REALLY came out in force for the earlier fluff thread a while back).

    V2 is nearing completion, and we have been reviewing old sections to see what works and what doesn't. During our review with people running online campaigns, we realized that no one was running things in the "straight canon" Eva-verse. On further investigation, it was concluded that the currently supplied information simply is not enough to really run a game in it. The sad part is, most of what AdEva supplies is already itself made up or extrapolated from the meager info provided by the Neon Genesis Evangelion series.

    In short: I humbly ask /tg/ to lend me it superb worldbuilding talents to help flesh out the Evangelion Universe. The Second Impact and the months following it are fairly well described, but what the "present day" is like is pretty unclear aside from a few key facts.

    For your reference, the current version of the setting is described here:


    Not all of it is set in stone, and there may be some wiggle room to make way for a particularly good idea.

    I wouldn't normally make this request, but single good /tg/ thread on this topic could speed up the release of AdEva v2 by weeks. And I would like to get you v2 as fast as I can without skimping on the quality I owe you.

    Thank you for your time.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)20:54 No.8943258
    "People always talk about how Second Impact was horrible. They talk about how they were left without homes, how people they loved died, how they were forced to do things they hated just to survive one more day. No one ever talks about the dreams, though. I have them every night. I can't really even remember them properly. They should be boring - I remember being in an elevator that never reached its destination, looking out the window of a plane, that kind of thing. They should have been boring, and they weren't. I felt terrible lonliness, like I was the only person left in the world. And that feeling of someone watching me. Like they were hovering over me and watching. I was almost pissing myself. I don't know what they mean, but every night I wake up in a cold sweat and I wonder where I'm going and what will happen when I get there."
    ~ Unidentified Impact Survivor, recorded late 2012
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)21:04 No.8943406
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    Huh. I like it, and will certainly be adding it to be repository of fluff, but I'm afraid that isn't quite what I mean.

    I'm not looking for actual fluff pieces like quotes or bits of story. I am looking for ideas of what "the present" in an Evangelion Universe would be like. What countries are in power, what countries are in shit. Who is important and why. If your characters visit England, are they going to find a nationalistic regime or a barely-functional nation whose people are immigrating to the mainland in droves?

    Things like that.

    I have seen /tg/ pick up the ball and run with it on matters much more obscure than Evangelion. I am hoping such success can be repeated here.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)21:06 No.8943457
    I know. I was just bumping it up to the top, like I am now.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:11 No.8943545

    It's pretty heavily implied in the series that the UN is basically a world government. Probably the nations were weakened by the 2nd Impact and the UN took charge of relief administration since no individual country could. Explains how NERV can coordinate industrial, military and research efforts in Europe, Japan and the US seamlessly.It's probable that all national militaries have been merged into the UN forces as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:12 No.8943571

    Also, the 2nd Impact raised the sea levels by quite a lot, so there might not be any England left, or at least much of it will be underwater. Makes me wonder if there's a London-2 further inland, like Tokyo-3.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)21:13 No.8943598
    Life in the US is a bizarre mash of luxury and poverty. Along with the most modern and advanced cities in the world, it also boasts one of the highest unemployment rates. The homeless live in tent cities on the outskirts of cities, and so many of the new storefronts are simply empty that it sometimes seems like parts of the city are simply movie sets. Public works projects to keep artists busy saw beautiful sculpture and murals being made, but now no one can afford to maintain them, and it is only a matter of time before they vanish.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/02/10(Fri)21:20 No.8943701
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    I imagine China would be rather like a post-apocalyptic version of what you'd call a "points of light" setting. The big cities have shrank a bit but remained strong, especially if there's a NERV base there, but the countryside would very much fall into anarchy or simply ignore it. Some smaller towns would be ruined, some passed over. The whole place would probably be a bit smaller too.

    At least that's what immediately comes to mind. Anyone who knows the country better could probably think of more plausible ways for it to change.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)21:21 No.8943721
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    To help get the ball rolling, one of the sections we are making from scratch for v2 is a section on "Non-Canon Organizations". These will be, for the most part, human organizations that might perform the roles of human antagonists be opposing the UN, Nerv or the Pilots directly.

    We have had a couple of loose ideas thus far:

    The "Liberated Nations" (name VERY subject to change): a combination of former military officers from a dozen countries who felt betrayed by their nations agreement to surrender control of their armed forces to the UN. Formally at each others throats on the edges of UN controlled territory, they have recently suddenly started working together and recruiting the poor and disenfranchised in regions where the UN is unable to supply aid.

    The "Tribulation Brigade": In actuality bunch of different religious extremist groups. Some oppose Nerv because they think the Angels are really messengers from god. Others think that the creation of the Evas and Nerv's meddling with the sanctity of life caused Second Impact. One cult may very well be lead by a socially-manipulative Tabbris who is using his AT Field to perform miracles. All are out for Nerv's blood.

    The "Concerned Parents Alliance": A PETA-like group that finds the use of adolescents as the pilots of weapons of war abhorrent, and intend to remove the Pilots from Nerv's control by any means necessary.

    The Eigenart Initiative: Founded by a rogue faction of Selee after Second Impact, they have devised an alternate to Human Instrumentality: using Lilith to grant humanity control of their own AT Fields, effectively turning each human into something not unlike an Angel. This would avoid the evolutionary dead-end that Selee was trying to avoid, without turning humanity into a sea of goop never able to act again. Obviously powerful in their own right, if forced to opperate on the fringes as they are hunted by Selee-controlled UN forces.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)21:22 No.8943744

    The thing is, we don't have much more than what is listed above. If you don't have any ideas for the world in general, is there something about the above organizations that strikes your fancy? Or perhaps you have an idea for an entirely new organization?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:24 No.8943790
    The Impact brought humanity together. Racial, ethnic, religious and national divides faded to insignificance following the disaster. The world, what was left of it, united at last under a common flag, sharing a common goal: survival. Humanity is now a global community, but rebuilding communications took time, and the infrastructure of most nations is still damaged beyond repair. Air travel is a luxury few can afford, most now travel by boat. Outside many cities, refugee camps have sprung up, intended to be temporary shelters they are becoming a permanent fixture.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)21:24 No.8943798
    > It's probable that all national militaries have been merged into the UN forces as well.

    That's actually the series canon explanation of how the hostilities after Second Impact ended, by the signing of the "Valentine Treaty".

    Though since then, certain wealthy countries have been allowed to develop small "self defense" forces.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:25 No.8943825
    Despite the modern world always needing work to be done, or perhaps because of it, people keep being drawn back underwater, to the remnants of the life that used to be. Whether it is to recover heirlooms of emotional significance, rob a bank that hasn't been gutted by government excavation teams or throw a rock through the windows of your old alma mater, companies loaning diving equipment have been making a steady profit for the last decade. So much is this practice prevalent that governing forces no longer try to suppress it, instead offering rewards for objects of cultural significance. The many dangers for the inexperienced tend to weed out the competition, and professional divers can make a lucrative - if not guaranteed - income.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)21:27 No.8943869
    Finland suffered from major flooding after Second Impact. Initially, it seemed like most of southern Finland would simply vanish under the water. No one expected the Finnish to refuse to move just because of a little thing like forty feet of water. While some of the land has been reclaimed from the sea with the use of massive seawalls and constantly-working pumping facilities, some Finnish towns simply built up, using their old buildings and homes as foundation work. Throughout much of the year, ice floes are thick enough for the Finns to walk around town normally, but the rest of the time they simply boat from one place to another, sometimes on flimsy rafts.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:28 No.8943893
    For what it's worth, I really like the idea behind the Eigenart Initiative. The name sounds really atrocious in German but if you want to go for the NGE feeling, that might be intended.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:30 No.8943923

    "Stalkers" - explorers that breach military cordons in order to loot or delve into the ruins of pre-Impact civilization. They dive into submerged skyscrapers, follow destroyed roads, locate old caches of equipment and data, and even art for private collectors. A thorn in the UN's side, but are allowed to operate since the UN intelligence buys info from them as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:32 No.8943963

    Yeah, I like them as well. Propose that their motto (corresponding to NERVs "God's in his heaven, all is right with the world") be "Gott Weisst ich will kein Engel sein".
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:33 No.8943982
    Australia is composed of walled off cities that keep the water at bay. South Australia consists of Fleets of submarines due to the shipyards there.
    The states to the east live in the mountain ranges where ever possible.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:35 No.8944029
    The thing is, they seem quite sensible, at least compared to NERV and SEELE.
    >"Gott weiss ich will kein Engel sein".
    Would be correct, although if you translate it to English saying "God knows I don't want to be an angel" makes little sense for a group with goals like this one.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)21:40 No.8944110
    Brazil suffered badly from Second Impact, two disasters rocking it - flooding and drought in equal measure. First, massive flooding turned the Amazon into a sea, drowning the rainforest under more than a dozen meters of water. With the climate changes that followed, Brazil became startlingly dry, the water table becoming badly disrupted and changing wind currents driving rain away. While the UN has been providing aid, Brazil has been shorn of the natural beauty it once had, and its economic power has been broken with nearly all of its major cities flooded. The future of Brazil is grim indeed, with many of its residents fleeing north over the Amazon Sea. It seems that the country will die a slow, quiet death in the next few decades.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:47 No.8944235
    I think it is very possible that the Eva-verse and our timeline split well before 2nd impact
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)21:48 No.8944245

    I like where you are going with these. Sorry if I am unresponsive, writing stuff.
    >> teka 04/02/10(Fri)21:50 No.8944274
    get out of here stalker!

    erm.. moving on.

    For the wealthy, somewhat stable nations, many facets of life are probably the same as before SE. People live in homes and apartments, get up in the morning, go work or go to school, come home and so on.

    There seems to have been extensive shelter-training in Tokyo-3, but is that a common thing or just a local affliction due to being the biggest target for Angels on the planet?

    Of course, outside the carefully maintained cities and suburbs, there is the problem of "temporary" refugee camps that have become permanent slums. Resistant to even the most dedicated public programs, these sores linger on the fringe of every metro area that is not flooded (or entirely artificial like Tokyo-3, again)

    slums breed anarchist and gang violence, as well as general resentment against "leaders" and "government" especially as so many world powers have ceded their strength to big faceless UN.

    Migratory populations (like the people fleeing the slowly dying brazilian lands) stress these "refuse" camps even more, swelling the ranks under the straining UN dole.

    Whats more, alien (that is, different race) groups grate against each other, leading to increased violence among the social groups and peacekeeping forces.

    ("Refuse'.. ugh.. buncha damn savages who never learned to speak english or wash themselves. Why should I care if a few 'accidents' happen when we have to clean up their mess, right?")

    So, every almost-apoc setting ever, plus supranational organizations trying to turn you into goo/breed supermen/become gods or D, all of the above.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:51 No.8944290

    How the UN military works is something that could be really explored. The idea of merging the military forces of the world into one cohesive force is nothing short of insanity. Desperation and necessity can only go so far in the face the obvious hurdles like language and culture but then add things like different technology, supplies or units of measure and things get downright stupid.
    But eventually the UN would have to surmount these problems if it wanted a true united military and not a fractured force liable to break apart and support their home countries in the event of a crisis.

    I'd say that since the Americans, British, Canadians, Australians and New Zealand have the ABCA program they'd make up a sizable block of any world unified military. Back that up with American experience in world wide operations you'd have a decidedly western slant to the UN military. At least in terms of organization and structure. You can't outfit a world wide military to the standard of a western nation especially in world still trying to recover.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:51 No.8944302

    It's a gratuitous Rammstein reference, and since that song describes angels as fearful, lonely and weak it kind of makes sense, if you take the EI's goal as making every man a superior being.

    I feel the Eigenart needs a name that is a german abbreviation having to do with the mind or the nervous system though. SEELE, NERV, GEHIRN... maybe name them GEIST?
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)21:53 No.8944329
    Iran is one of the most beautiful, and one of the least-inhabited, countries in the world. After the nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan, fallout made the country unsuitable for human life. By 2015, the population is less than ten thousand. Ironically, though, the climate change has turned Iran into a garden - the Shomal has spread to cover most of the country, with no humans to interfere with it. Gazelles now roam free throughout what were once deserts, and if not for the sheer number of rads a person would get simply walking around, it would be a premiere vacation destination.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:53 No.8944334
    I think continental Europe could go several ways, here's one I could think of:

    You could make the whole continent run by a bureaucratic moloch created from the ruins of France and Germany. Combing France's stereotypical inefficiency with Germany's love for vast bureaucratic structures. You're pilots would spend one hour training on the firing range and the rest of the day filling out 3 forms for every round of ammunition they've spent.
    As most of continental Europe's heavy industry centre's are located closer to the alps, I don't think there will be much damage done to the industrial capacities. Countries such as Denmark and the Netherlands have been abandoned although (slow) reclamation efforts are in progress. Major problems are refugees from the flooded mediterranean and agricultural production, as much of it had been outsourced prior to second impact.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:57 No.8944413


    Hmm. The Refuse (Refused? Refuseniks?) could be a collective term for anarchist/mafia gangs that rule in refugee camps and raid supply and aid caravans. Another potential antagonist. A Refuse gang raided a NERV convoy and are holding a low-level operative hostage. Refuse bands are interdicting medical aid trucks meant to bring relief to a city suffering from an Angel attack. A Refuse bandit lord has stolen a valuable Angel sample being ferried across the country on SEELE orders.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:57 No.8944422
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    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:58 No.8944427
    How do the gazelles survive rads that would fry a human?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)21:59 No.8944447

    >nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan

    did that happen in Eva canon?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:02 No.8944510
    I know, and I still think it's a silly idea.

    >german abbreviation having to do with the mind or the nervous system though

    GEIST would be in line with NGE's horrible German but it's more or less a synonym for SEELE in German. I would like RÜCKENMARK, although it's probably too long and the umlaut would be problematic.

    Maybe ICH oder ÜBER-ICH, the German words for Freud's ego and superego, respectively. It would also go well with the group's goal of keeping humanity's at fields intact.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/02/10(Fri)22:02 No.8944517
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    Magical gazelle wards.

    Something that came up earlier: Hobby wise, /tg/ related material may actually be more popular than television or video games or the like. I imagine the UN would clamp down a bit harder on the internet, not to mention all the infrastructure ruined. That leaves a lot of people just reading or playing checkers.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:02 No.8944521
    Sinister plan by SEELE. Try to keep it on the quiet, but they've also got something going on with the floridation of water and shoelaces.

    >> teka 04/02/10(Fri)22:11 No.8944687
    Temporary Emergency Restrictions of Communication Technology.

    Computer networks are heavily restricted in overall bandwidth available to "non-essential recover efforts" which is Everyone outside the UN itself. We are talking about having to get a form in triplicate to get an internet connection that only works 18 hours a day.

    Filtering and content restriction are to be expected, of course.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:14 No.8944753
    I agree, they wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Although a TOR equivalent would be running somewhere in the background. Maybe another faction?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:18 No.8944829

    The Free Information Society: a group of hackers around the world that remember the golden days of communications pre-Impact and want to break the UN's stranglehold on the global networks. Many of them poke around in classified archives and distribute it in illegal BBSes (the BBS is back, since it's a low-bandwith form of communication you can encrypt it and piggyback it onto the UN sanctioned social network sites/chats). Some of them are beginning to uncover NERV and SEELE's plans, but few people believe their stories.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:22 No.8944920
    I like this, it's pretty neat.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:28 No.8945033
    >Some of them were beginning to uncover NERV and SEELE's plans, but they are dead now.

    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:29 No.8945040
    Spain has become a bright spot in the otherwise dark present of Europe. Through strict governmental controls, they have managed to keep growing their economy by 8% every year, well above the inflation rate for their currency. An influx in immigration and investment has kept employment rates high. However, the country is running out of borrowed time - several sectors including the housing market and public works are predicted to crash in the near future. A recent effort to build an Acrology in Madrid has spurred the market, but no one is sure where the funding is coming from at this point. Additionally, after rising sea levels created a channel between Spain and France just north of the Pyrenees, Spain attempted to claim the French side of the Pyrenees unsuccessfully, and tensions remain high between the two governments.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:32 No.8945120
    Wouldn't Spain be one of the places in Europe most affected by the rising sea levels? It seems like an afterthought in your description.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:38 No.8945231
    I like the attention all of the smaller groups are getting right now.


    post-Second Impact tomb raider equivilents: check. I will probably include mention of them as a very specific group for hire under the non-canon organizations section. This will mention that there a many people who do such things freelance, but this group in specific is widely regarded to be the most reliable.


    "Eigenart" translates to, among other things, "Individuality". Since the ultimate end result will be less "the human race" and more "each human becomes a species of 1" I find it fitting, though I would be open to another name of it was equally fitting (which I don't find GEIST to be).



    Aside from mysteriously radiation-proof wildlife, I like where you are going with this. Keep up the good work!
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:42 No.8945291
    After Second Impact, some countries were hit especially hard. South Africa was one of the worst off. It no longer exists as a country, simply put. Shockwaves from the event caused major earthquakes that toppled most of its major cities, and an unexplained firestorm ravaged over half of the country. It is a wasteland now, almost all infrastructure destroyed. The single point of interest is a UN naval base near where Cape Town used to be. It is one of several major UN bases that maintain a research fleet to study Antarctica (or what is left of it, anyway). A tent city of refugees stretches away from the UN base, which has neither the facilities or funding to help the volume of people present.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:43 No.8945330
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    You'd be surprised. Coastal areas flooded, of course, but Spain has enough money to reclaim or rebuild them.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)22:44 No.8945336

    Whoops. Didn't namefag.

    Anyway, while individual countries/regions are awesome, we probably don't need to get down to that specific a level most of the time.

    The Major players (in terms of countries) are the US, China, and Russia. Just about everyone else is so weak that what the UN says goes, and the UN is SELEE-controlled. So yeah.

    Also: Russia and China both expanded their borders post-second impact. but to exactly what degree is not fully explained. Food for thought.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:45 No.8945349
    >Aside from mysteriously radiation-proof wildlife,
    I based the idea on what's happened with Chernobyl.

    >> macrophage 04/02/10(Fri)22:49 No.8945441
    On Arcologies:

    Presented with the devastation and widespread climate changes brought by the Second Impact, mankind was forced to adapt. While not necessary for all areas(and in fact, many inland areas don't bother), many cities that were built after the cataclysm were planned with sustainability, durability, and efficiency in mind.

    Arcologies can vary in design, from the fully self-contained and fortified environments of Tokyo-3 to the watershed cities in many regions of the US Southwest, to more simple affairs such as towns where buildings have integrated farm plots or simple, interconnected dormitories lit with artificial light.

    NERV bases in particular are invariably attached to an arcology, or are situated near one, as the sheer number of staff and support needed for large operations is simply not feasible without the resources a city can provide. These arcologies are often known as NERV towns, and may have conveniences such as Cruelty Free! NERV synthetic foods, NERV schools for staff's children, NERV Cola, and other conveniences.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)22:51 No.8945468
    The most fitting translation of "Eigenart " in English is idiosyncrasy or quirk. You're the guy making the game but to a native speaker it sounds even strange than the other designations.

    You know that Spains is one of the economically weakest of the more traditional EU members, right?

    Russias expansion would depend on how much of the EU and NATO remain effective post 2nd impact. China would probably occupy North Korea and Mongolia. Maybe Taiwan and South Korea? Don't really know much about asian politics.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)22:55 No.8945545
    > The most fitting translation of "Eigenart " in English is idiosyncrasy or quirk. You're the guy making the game but to a native speaker it sounds even strange than the other designations.

    Ah. I see.

    Well, as a native speaker of German, what German word would you use as the name of your organization whose goal is to permanently alter humanity into a bunch of auto-evolving, reality bending ubermensches?
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:57 No.8945582
    >You know that Spains is one of the economically weakest of the more traditional EU members, right?

    Spain has one of the largest economies in the world. And in 2000, where the Eva timeline has its first major diversion from ours, it was dominating the rest of Europe in terms of financial growth.
    >> macrophage 04/02/10(Fri)22:58 No.8945612

    >>implying that their power didn't stem from the housing bubble that has currently collapsed them.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)22:59 No.8945626
    The housing bubble that was artificially extended by Second Impact's devastation, and that I note in the entry is collapsing in 2015? That one?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:00 No.8945644


    Means Humility.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:05 No.8945726

    I would use "Aufstieg". It can be translated as ascension, advancement or upgrade, amongst others. It doesn't fit with the whole NGE naming scheme, though.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:10 No.8945812
    China is huge and one of the best nations at utilizing its greatest resource; man power. I actually think this country could gain a huge advantage.

    The movie 2012 comes to mind. I can really see alot of corporations or nations giving their materials and brainpower to China so that they can quickly manufacture anti-angel equipment, such as the Evas.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:12 No.8945850
    I doubt that manufacturing NERV equipments calls for lots of un- to lowskilled labourers.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:14 No.8945894

    That makes sense. Though the US would be a bitter rival here, because while China might be able to do it better America desperately needs the employment.

    This also puts China in a unique position of being the second-greatest science power around. Nerv may be the focus of a crapton of research, but if they want to get it build in any quantity they need to give the plans to China. This probably means that the Chinese military, small though it may be, is pretty damn advanced.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:20 No.8945992
    Not to answer your question with a question. But does anyone know what type of tanks the UN is using in that pic? Becuase they look kind of Russian to me but I'm not expert.

    Reason I ask is that the UN military is interesting to me. Who equips them? What doctrine do they use NATO or Russian or Chinese? When their not getting shot to hell be angels I mean.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:22 No.8946014
    If the same phenomenon causing Japan to endure an eternal summer applies to China, I doubt there would be much manpower left, at least by today's standards. Even nowadays China has huge problems with desertification of their fertile regions and I doubt a china stuck in summer mode would miraculously get better. Russia would however profit vastly from such a development.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:23 No.8946038

    I'm given to understand the UN military units come from a bunch of different countries, though how they handle supplies must be a nightmare unless they modified most of their units for "standardization" purposes.

    But in the UN Fleet in the Gaghiel episode has ships with names in both English and Russian, so yeah.

    How the UN, as a whole, works is actually a really interesting question. Thoughts, /tg/?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:24 No.8946043
    The look like heavily modified M60 Pattons to me. I doubt that they're more than roughly based on any real tanks.
    >> LawfulNice !tGTXNZuKLM 04/02/10(Fri)23:25 No.8946074
    Man, have you seen the Pallet Guns? Unskilled labor indeed.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:32 No.8946183

    It sounds to me like China needs to get out of that area. And there was already talk of major tensions between China and Russia...

    Maybe China is desperately pushes its borders as much as it can without sparking all out war with somone who matters, using its superior manpower and contract with Nerv as a shield from UN involvement?

    Though if that were the case, China would never be allowed to build an Eva. Not if there was any chance they might not give it back when they finished building it.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:35 No.8946229
    Well there has to be some standardization. Even if its only the ammo being used.

    Hmm.. whoever is the major industrial power is going to set the standard for everyone else. Becuase their making the stuff everyone uses. So deciding on who that istells you alot about the military of the UN.

    Also does the Navy really do anything aside from help fight the oceanic angel? Just trying to figure why'd you need a Navy that big. Without the possiblity of fighting another fleet.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:35 No.8946237
    Well let me put it like this. They only need one brain telling fifty to a hundred people where to screw in the bolt.

    Now, higher population also gives them the benefit of churning out more educated people. In the past, China has had some of the best school systems we have seen. If you decide to say they put more effort into educating their population, their specialty science might not be as focused as the U.S but they can apply crazy manpower across every spectrum of science.

    Now, more food for thought with that is if China and India reach some sort of agreement. I don't recall what India's state is, so this may not even apply, but they have a great population as well[or had].

    India's science teams, especially in physics, seem to be doing fairly well. So a possible alliance may reside there.

    More food for thought, North Korea is already good at taking care of itself. It won't really lose anything from the new isolation and chaos of the world. Infact, the surrounding areas, now deprived of the government assistance and international support they have grown accustomed to might view North Korea's system as one of stability and saftey
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:38 No.8946305
    We could see China explore alternative military stratagies. Mechs or advance tanks rather than Evas. Of course, against Angels this will do very little, but as far as mankind's wars, NERV can't send its few Eva's out to fight China's endless legions and the Angel's at once.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/02/10(Fri)23:39 No.8946314
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    The question and the episode premise answers itself. If they had reason to suspect that Angels could be able to invade from the ocean, having a navy is just good sense.

    Though they were transporting Eva 02 as well. With some NERV bases possibly being the only source of vital materials (he who controls Lilith controls the LCL), you'd need to have your transports well-protected.

    All that said, I realize this may just be contradictory because there may have been a throwaway line about that being basically the entirety of the world's remaining navy.

    Like so many other things in eva, I guess it's just up to you.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:39 No.8946329
    China has borders with the following countries:
    Mongolia, Russia, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Myanmar, Bhutan, Nepal, India, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Macao.
    And I don't know enough about Asian politics except that in the NGE universe Russia is probably one of the big winners of second impact.

    According to a report by North Korea's Public Security Ministry, the North estimates its losses from 2.5 million to 3 million people, about 12 percent of its population in 2009, from 1995 to March 1998.

    North Korea has not yet resumed its food self-sufficiency and relies on external food aid from China, Japan, South Korea and the United States. In 2002, North Korea requested that food supplies no longer be delivered. (Woo-Cummings, 2002)

    In the mid-2000s, the World Food Program reported that famine conditions were in imminent danger of returning to North Korea, and the government was reported to have mobilized millions of city-dwellers to help rice farmers.

    Yeah, I think North Korea would do really well on it's own.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:41 No.8946362

    Yeah that makes sense. You need the fleet to keep the sealands open.

    Hmm.. I'm pretty sure the pirate is still around to. Even if the nations of the world are getting along you'd still have people out to make a quick buck.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:41 No.8946371
    Well, you would want a militarized police fleet. I can only imagine a huge number of pirates and raiders taking advantage of precious cargo ships. I would imagine most air fuel would be reserved for military use now, so the main method of transportation would be train/ship.

    If you can't protect your main trade route, you are fucked.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:42 No.8946380
    > Also does the Navy really do anything aside from help fight the oceanic angel? Just trying to figure why'd you need a Navy that big. Without the possiblity of fighting another fleet.

    Now that IS a good question. On the one hand, most of them are probably just around because "Shit! Now we have all these naval vessels we got from all these countries!" But they probably would have decommissioned a bunch of them just to save funding.

    But it is worth noting that the UN's control is going to be weakest in the areas that were the most devastated by Second Impact. And these areas are probably defined by being in the Southern Hemisphere and mass flooding. Having a navel fleet to drive right up into your flooded city and start shelling your house is a pretty good reason to not get too uppity if you are in areas where the UN cant afford to really control you.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:46 No.8946450
    Although, they transported Eva 03 via air. We knew they had those craft shortly after Eva 02 arrived, as they used them in the very next episode.
    The real question, is one that fanfic writers love to beat on. Why, when transporting something as important as an Evangelion Unit by sea, would they equip it in such a way that it would be completely immobile in the water?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:47 No.8946462
    Where is that stat from? I'm no expert on North Korea, I was just rolling with some ideas.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:47 No.8946466

    How about this for the military angle?

    The UN Peacekeeping Force is the military arm of the UN world government. It's headquarters in Brussels with district commands in North America, Russia and China. With no real conventional threats the focus of the Force is mainly geared toward peace keeping, counter insurgency, nation building and disaster relief.
    Peacekeeper divisions are for the most part made up of their host country nationals and equipped from the same.

    While the majority of the Peacekeepers are dedicated to the core missions the Special Response regiments are entirely focused on combating the Angel threat. Truly multi-national, the SR regiments are hybrid units combining disaster relief with the best the conventional military can offer in terms of personnel and equipment. Designed to be the first responders in the event of a Angel attack the SR regiment is usually first on scene and the last to leave.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:47 No.8946473
    I don't know if going into much detail about the remaining world is a good thing. I understand the need for human antagonists and some handholding when it comes to worldbuilding, but I think there is too little information to make anything substantial.
    I always thought second impact was a horrible disaster, but from this thread it reads as if was a minor inconvenience to everybody involved and little of value was lost.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:48 No.8946484
    Yeah. I'm sure some are being kept around becuase they have them. But not all of them. I can see a situation where their stripping other ships for parts becuase they need them but they don't want to build more.

    Yeah. You know.. I'm betting half of what the UN military does is counterinsurgency operations. Sends fleets into those areas and protects whatever resources they need or keeps the supply lines open.

    Hmm.. For my game the whole world is now Iraq/Afganistan and the developed nations are the 'Green zones.' Go outside of the big UN and its Hensco bastions, IEDs and priacy galore.

    Somewhat related.. you have tanks and VTOLs as support. Add criuse missile strikes and naval bombardment maybe?
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:50 No.8946529
    I'm ashamed to admit this but they're from wikipedia:
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:51 No.8946566
    > I always thought second impact was a horrible disaster, but from this thread it reads as if was a minor inconvenience to everybody involved and little of value was lost.

    Second Impact WAS a huge disaster. But by campaign standards that was 15 years ago, and since then industry has been re-established tot he point that building an entire city that slides into the ground to serve as a battleground for 40-meter tall cyborgs is something that happens.

    Second Impact changed the world, but the key word is CHANGED, not stopped or ruined.

    Though if you arn't in the Northern Hemisphere you might contest that. I originally planned on Australia, South America and wide swaths of Africa being written off as "Lost Causes".
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:52 No.8946576
    Well, info is info. I didn't know that. Not sure what North Korea would do. It would certainly be neat to see it in a position of moderate power, at least in relation to its smaller neighbors.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:53 No.8946587

    I usually explain away all holes in the series as "Ikari Gendo is a cocksucker, and he takes pleasure from intentionally fucking with everyone."
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:53 No.8946600
    Lost city of the aussies? :P Lame lame, I know.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:56 No.8946662
    How is space research faring now? I imagine that getting to the moon or to mars is not a pleasure that can be indulged for fancy, but given that we have, for all intents and purposes, angels coming from who-knows-where, looking outside of our planet could be seen as important.
    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:57 No.8946691
    >North Korea shares land borders with People's Republic of China and Russia to the north, and borders South Korea along the Korean Demilitarized Zone. To its west are the Yellow Sea and Korea Bay, and to its east lies Japan across the Sea of Japan (East Sea of Korea).

    The problem is, it doesn't really have smaller neighbours.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/02/10(Fri)23:57 No.8946693

    I like it, but the "Special Response" groups would like they would just be parts of regional Nerv stations. After all, Nerv is the UNs special division specifically in charge of handling "that whole Angel mess".
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/02/10(Fri)23:57 No.8946700
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    For the purposes of AE?

    Because they didn't sink any surplus into C-type quite yet.

    >> Anonymous 04/02/10(Fri)23:58 No.8946712
    They made it clear near the end of the series that having the Lance of Longinus orbiting the moon meant it was as good as gone.

    I would assume from that that though their detection systems are wildly advanced, shortages and the preoccupation with terrestrial affairs have grounded humanity for the time being.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)00:00 No.8946774

    Nerv seemed to have specialty satelites of some kind for detecting AT Fields (in space, but possible on the ground from orbit as well). I doubt there is much else there.

    Remember, Selee planned on liquidizing humanity after the Angel War. Reaching out into space would be a waste of funding by their views, and they are certainly in a position to give such projects the ax and re-route that money to Nerv "where it is needed".
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:00 No.8946787
    I agree. Even today they're cutting almost all manned space flight from the budget. I would guess second impact didn't improve that situation, especially if you have a money-sink link NERV at hand.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)00:01 No.8946799
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    Probably not that well. At some point, they'd have enough to reliably and safely get evas up into space, but when they've done that there are other things to fund.

    On the bright side, if Third Impact was avoided, there's a little leg up. Imagine evas being specifically made and equipped for long-term space travel. Someone WOULD eventually find a way to make viable AT-powered space flight.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:02 No.8946818
    They have standard observation ones too, the tenth Angel crushed a couple with it's field.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)00:05 No.8946885



    Common consensus: Space is kinda out of reach.

    Though in-game, you can now probably launch probes into space via a Dirac Breach and an Eva pilot with a good fastball.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:06 No.8946902
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    >being in an elevator that never reached its destination

    Oh you.

    By the way, surprised no one posted this.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:08 No.8946923
    You are now imagining two Evas pulling a Trans-Atmospheric Fastball Special on the 10th Angel.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:10 No.8946973
    So relocating Adam to say, Mars or Venus, would probably be out of our reach. I know its cliche, but you would think something would have been done with the mars' 'face' [yes I know its not really a face]
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)00:15 No.8947074
    > So relocating Adam to say, Mars or Venus, would probably be out of our reach.

    It would also be a generally bad idea. It might take longer for the Angels to find him, but Angels can totally survive in space. The good news is that Third Impact would happen someplace that wasn't Earth. But it would either end with Adam coming back to Earth to reclaim it, or starting his Angelic ecosystem on some other planet in our solar system which is just going to end badly for us a couple decades down the line when Angels STILL can survive in space and decide to go Space Invaders on our ass.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:18 No.8947134
    See, this might be my favorite thing about the Evangelion world. Humans were a mistake, someone's colossal fuck-up, and we're willing to kill our gods to stay that way.

    Well, besides those who want to play god and "fix" things.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:18 No.8947149
    Totally the sort of campaign me and my GM would love. God our AdEva ending was awesome. I had broken and ripped my way down to the vault where Lilith was kept, fought the Tabbris of our setting, pinned him to the wall with the Lance. For all intents and purposes, we won. It should have been over.

    But, my character couldn't let it go there. He was a berserker, and he had just gotten canabalize. He wanted to stop this from ever happening again.

    So, he touched Lilith.

    The world ended
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:20 No.8947169
    I've adopted the "replace everything pseudo-religious with the word alien" stance in regard to nge.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:21 No.8947182
    I accidentally the whole world..
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)00:21 No.8947190
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    But metaphors that don't lead anywhere are so delicious.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)00:21 No.8947196

    So you reached Third Impact? Fascinating.

    Tell me EVERYTHING about your campaign. I have information from a lot of playtests, but no feature-length campaigns.

    Did the system still handle well at the higher-ends of the xp spectrum? That's where it has received the least testing thus far, I am afraid.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:24 No.8947241
    I would just like to direct everyone to one of the best eva fanfics ever. Why? Badassery galore. Every angel has a Badass Boast, the most terrifying of which...

    >I am he who is named "I am." My feet shall walk the breadth of the Base Earth once more. My mission shall not end with death. I shall seed the ground with new truth. And that which has come before and from Me shall bow in worship. I am the Alpha. I am the original. I am the Creation of God. I am the first of the Messengers and I am coming for the one who is my Opposite. I am ADAM. I AM COMING.

    I figured this might be useful somehow.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:25 No.8947268
    Delicious? Yes. Esculent? No.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:26 No.8947288
    I read that and immediately realized my apartment smells strongly of garlic. I think I need to go to bed.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:27 No.8947303
    I too am interested in a campaign summery. I've read some of the game threads, but I've not seen any real game summeries.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:28 No.8947327
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    Imagine a world where you can neither taste nor smell garlic.
    Welcome to my world. wooo~
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:29 No.8947342
    Most of the carribean and west indies would be under water, with maybe one percent of the land surviving.

    England is probably fine, since Japan is an island nation and still standing on it's own. Not great, or even good, but fine.

    Canada and Russia probably rose to power, since they have a good deal of landlocked ...land. Canada, China, Russa, and the U.S.A. are probably the four biggest world powers, simple because they can afford to take a bit of flooding.

    Australia Southern Africa and South America probaly took a lot of outright damage from being so close to ADAM, and it only got worse in flooding and war, meaning they probably got heavily depopulated, maybe even 75%.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:30 No.8947366

    Uh, wouldn't that just have destroyed adam and all adam based life? The angels, evas, ADAM, and maybe some NERV tech would have gotten Tang'd but that'd be about it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:31 No.8947373
    Yeah, give me a second to compile the specifics unless you have an email you would like me to send everything to.

    In short, we didn't get through all of the rankings before the campaign ended, but the mechanics were still working just fine. I ended up playing three characters [we were taste testing the whole system, so just me and my gm] but I played the Berserker, Pointman, and Operations Director [who turned out to be one of the most fun characters ever].

    His function for support was vital in our fighting, especially with his tactical info.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:31 No.8947378
    And whatever of australia wasn't flooded was probably mutated into poisonous, deadly, monstrosities.

    ...So, pretty much the same, although there would probably be more tentacles
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)00:31 No.8947384
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    >your next angel.jpg

    By threads, do you mean things like this or game logs? Because we have logs. So many logs that you could mistake us for lumberjacks.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:37 No.8947481
    Things like this. Mostly what's made it into the suptg archive.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)00:37 No.8947492

    Others seem interested, so feel free to post them here.

    Though if you feel inclined to drop anything else for us to use, our usual haunt is #AdeptusEvangelion on Rizon (its an IRC).
    >> Alebak !!GutpvEm2fJX 04/03/10(Sat)00:37 No.8947495
    "You hear about that non-profit organization thats hiring deep sea divers left and right, yeah? I hear they're gonna go look for pieces of art and stuff that were lost in the flood."

    "Isnt that a waste of time?"

    "Not completely, they found that marble statue back where Hawaii used to be. This is important stuff, culture, human civilization. You know, big deal shit."
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)00:39 No.8947522
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    These are the logs of the ongoing games in the channel where most of the work on AdEva gets done:

    Children of the Human Obelisk

    Avis Noah

    Neon Genesis Anasazi

    And summaries of the three are on 1d4chan, with the first listed under "Monolith". Good luck getting through them.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:41 No.8947562
    The first major space operation post impact was probably getting more telescops and some missiles up there. SEELE would support it as part of the illusion, and has a decent chance of spotting spacegoing angels.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:41 No.8947566
    Thanks, I'm sure these'll be an interesting read.
    If nothing else, it's always interesting to see how other groups act/react to events ingame.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:49 No.8947682
    Pilots: Canus [Berserker], Alec [Pointman], Nomus [AT Tactician], Adella [Skirmisher], and Jeriah [OP Director].

    I played Canus, Alec, and Jeriah.

    Canus is a norseman, fourteen neospartan and plays it up like a viking kid.

    Alec is from Russia, though he is actually Alex, though I will get to that later.

    Jeriah is an old soldier, a black man with a love for whiskey and no time for tom foolery. He lost two fingers to a very hungry and desperate man back in his riot control days.

    Nomus is a mysterious figure who winds up being Canus' best friend even if he is abit of a loon.

    Adella is our german chick. Eventually Alec develops a love interest which he persues and atempts to cut off many times. We also find out she is a nympho <.<

    The story starts out with Jeriah in Commander Caine's office. Nomus, Pilot 00, stands in the back ground. It is common knowledge that the two are very close, though the extent of their relationship is unknown to Jeriah.

    Caine informs Jeriah over the arrival of their newest pilot, Canus, a young boy from the netherlands. Somewhat of a hot head, but with outstanding test scores in the combat field.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:51 No.8947727

    We actually see the EVA carriers for the first time in episode 7, the episode with Jet Alone. Its in the episode for maybe all of 15-20 seconds though, blink and you'll miss it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:52 No.8947740
    Well in actuality it is all alien. If you pay close attention you realize that all the religious aspects of the show are mostly names and such. It never once says that Adam is the Adam from the Bible, or that the Lance of Longinus is the one that pierced the side of Christ.

    Most of it seems to come from SEELE who apparently do believe they are dealing in the divine, because they are all fucking crazy.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:54 No.8947772
    Well, I would argue that the mass-produced Evas forming up as the Tree of Life from the Kaballah is fairly explicit, but otherwise yes, it's fluff for an alien invasion.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:56 No.8947807
    We switch to the arrival of Canus, met by our friendly ladynpc, who Canus think is quite cute. She brings Canus to the base, taking him through the nifty underground tour while he gawks at Mankinds achievements. Jeriah has arranged for him to be taken to our Virtual Testing center, to see how he handles with his Eva. He is hooked up, the statistics of his Eva downloaded into the computer already and he is matched up against a generated Angel.

    The battle goes poorly for Canus, his Eva being taken out very quickly by a 'beam of light to the chest' for twelve wounds or so. . Canus' ego is not one to be trampled on though. He ejects from his cock pit and begins to charge the Angel on foot when Nomus and the Eva 00 enter the test, and was mopped up quickly too.

    The test was cancled and Canus got a serious talking too and slap upside the head from Jeriah. Something akin to 'Pull that stunt in the field and I will have you pulled from the program, do you hear me!?'

    Canus, angry at his failure though unable to call it that, is sent to his new home, an apartment he shares with Nomus, thus beggining their new life.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:58 No.8947838
    Most of the naming fluff has to do with this all being found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, hence SEELE's thing with the religious names.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)00:59 No.8947866
    As awesome as this pic is, why does 01 have breasts?

    It's normally pretty flat chested.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)00:59 No.8947869
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    >charges the angel on foot

    Thank you for ideas too.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:00 No.8947880
    The Rebuild movies are increasingly leading me to believe that their 'secret dead sea scrolls' are some kind of synopsis of past events, essentially an episode guide to the series. But each cycle plays out differently, so it's not a perfect guide.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:00 No.8947899
    Next week, we show up for Canus' first day of school. Apparently Nomus is not a popular guy, being very quiet and withdrawn. Even Canus has not talked to him much at this point as he spends his days alone reading [one of Canus' drawbacks is Dark Secret. We determined that this was the reading of romantic mangas, something very unmanly and damning to Canus] or training his body.

    Canus meets a kid named Bryan, who seems to ask alot of very suspicious questions regarding Nomus. Now, Canus doesn't care much for the guy, but he knows what is secret and not, so keeps his mouth shut. Nothing more of worth happens until the end of the week when the first angel attacks.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:02 No.8947928
    Does the European Union still exist? Or has it been supplanted by the UN? What about military alliances like NATO?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:03 No.8947957

    It's basic "Chariot of the Gods" stuff. Aliens come down, are mistaken for or somehow inspire human religions.

    Likewise, Seele's entire goal of Human Instrumentation- everyone in the world joining together in a singular consciousness that knows no suffering (or pleasure)- is a popular basic Hindu/Buddhist (or Gnostic Christian) concept.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:06 No.8948026
    Previous threads archived I assume?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:06 No.8948028
    Note, the angel is vanilla Sachiel.

    As Canus and Nomus are suiting up and getting put into their Eva's, Jeriah is summoned to the bridge where he can make use of all of the expensive equipment. He calls for the launch of the VTOLs and tanks squadrons to intercept the angel. He orders the tanks to move the Angel's position. The angel sees the tanks and fires a laser from its chest at one of the squadrons, lucky for them it misses and instead burns a hole through a nearby building.

    Jeriah orders the tanks to fire at will. Due to the size bonus, the tank rounds hit the angel [or would if not for the AT field].

    Our weapons are reported to be ineffective. The angel suddenly shoots some sort of ram from its arm at the tanks near its feet, but they are able to make a quick manuever out of harm's way just as the VTOL's arrive. Jeriah orders them to open fire on the angel, but the missiles fail to penetrate the AT field around the angel. Sachhiel swings at the VTOL craft that fired first and rips its right wing off, sending it spiriling to the ground below to explode violently.

    The Angel begins to move on, passing up our first defensive line and proving mundane equipment to be ineffective against this alien threat.

    Sachiel moves to the edge of the city.
    >> anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:08 No.8948048

    what am i looking at?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:15 No.8948181
    This is supported by the files found in the PSP game that Anno had his hand in. The "Angels" and humanity were part of a plan by ancient aliens to cultivate planets or someshit, it gets vague at that part

    The Rebuild movies also expand somewhat on society in the year 2015, but they also remove some minor stuff, and plenty of Angels.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:16 No.8948199
    Sweden saw severe flooding in its most heavily populated areas, including Stockholm, but has more high ground than most of Europe, and retains a more temperate climate. The remains of Smolandia and the northern two thirds of the country are home to 8 million surviving pre-Impact Swedes and 13 million refugees. Tensions between these groups are high, and a significant state-army fraction called Fosterlandsjägarna has gone rogue to wage a slow guerilla war against the "foreigners". UN forces do nothing about this, except to protect the few remaining sites of economic significance. Modern-day Sweden is governed from Stockholm-2, located between old Sunne and Grythyttan.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:18 No.8948233
    The Evangelions have just been deployed. Jeriah decides that using the tanks or VTOL's inside of the city will just get in the way or cause more damage, so he orders them back and has the relief teams prepare themselves for deployment.

    Angel/Eva combat begins -

    The angel goes first, lunging at the Evas, quickling closing the gap between them. Jeriah hurridly has his men send their most recent tactical data [I don't remember the name of the ability, sorry, but it applies his intel to the penetration] to Canus and orders Nomus to counter the AT field.

    'Yes Sir!' Nomus says loudly as he springs forth at the Angel, spreading his AT field and then attempting to Neut the Angel's. He yells for Canus to take the angel down.

    Canus lunges forward with a loud 'Whoo!', strikes the angel [due to his Hatred bonus] and scores a hit on the face, his strike making it through the weakend AT field with nine dmg, four pen. Still, this attack barley harmed the Angel [This was the first 'oh shit...' moment for me].

    Canus swings again, more focused this time, and strikes the right arm, his soul 'full of thunder and his heart made of steel' for twelve dmg, four pen, cutting down into the tough flesh.

    Next round, [jeriah rolls init poorly, but I use a fatepoint and get to keep it because of his Prepared for the Worst trait]. The angel still goes first however. Suddenly, a laser bursts from it chest and strikes Canus' Eva in the chest. It rips around his eva and hits Nomus in the body but Nomus is able to bring up his defense' in time and the blast does no dmg to him. Canus takes eight wounds though, leaving one.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)01:21 No.8948290

    I'm really liking the play-by-play, but I don't want to overload the thread with something that isn't world building. Limited number of posts, and all.

    Just send the rest of the stuff to my email (included above) when you have the time. It (especially the later-game stuff and any comments or suggestions you may have) would be greatly appreciated.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:29 No.8948412
    From the attack and following synch disruption, Canus is filled with a terrible rage. He screams and throws himself at the angel with a wild fury, striking at Sachiel's leg only to have his blow turned back by its AT field. His second strike misses as well.

    Jeriah and Nomus go at once with Jeriah feeding him tactical info on the Angel's weakspots, now updated. Nomus fully neuts the AT field and charges in with his spear, hitting it in the body but barely making it through the armor.

    [At this stage, Canus didn't invest in any AT abilities really. Wasn't thinking to team up and use spread and Neut together on the angel, instead we were just taking seperate rolls]

    Next round, Nomus goes first, brings his AT field to max and attacks the angel again, ineffectivly. The Angel rears its arm back, its ram lunging forward, grazing Nomus' Eva's head.

    Jeriah yells at Canus to get back into the fight, feeding his Eva the updated tactical info. Canus swings his axe, missing once, and then barely grazing the Angel the second time.

    Next round, Jeriah updates Canus again and Canus makes a called shot for the Angel's head striking it with a good roll and sinking his axe blade into its head, spraying a strange orange substance from the wound. It swings in retaliation but stumbles and misses Canus then swings again with its claws, scratching Canus' Eva's face up.

    Nomus comes at the angel from behind, stealth his weapon as he jabs at the Angel, missing terribly before abandoning his spear in favor of grappling the Angel. Nomus holds it in place for the next round when Canus makes another called shot and whacks Sachiel in the face with his axe.

    [Commentary from this part in the chat log:
    Me: These angels are hard core...
    GM: Seriously, and this is upposed to be the easiest one
    Me: Jesus
    GM: God...
    Me: Do they all have this much armor?
    GM: Bro... this isn't armor, this is just his toughness bonus
    Me: .....]
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:30 No.8948436
    Sure thing, I'll do some more write up for you tomorrow.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)01:33 No.8948480
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    Awesome. Looking forward to it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:34 No.8948490
    Could you keep posting, for the rest of us?
    We're only in the 130s on the postcount at this point.

    If you're really concerned about post limits, I don't think there'd be much complaint if you just made a new topic to tell the story.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)01:37 No.8948541

    Ah, right. How inconsiderate of me.

    Up to you, anon: >>8948436
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:39 No.8948568
    Nah, not tonight. For one I need to get to bed soon, work tomorrow. For another, we should only have one AdEva thread up at a time. Especially when it is one like this so we can focus on getting some info in. I probably can tomorrow though.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:42 No.8948611
    Ah well, guess I could hope. Not like I don't have the logs of three other games waiting to be read on my drive...
    I look forward to hearing more. Hopefully it'll get archived if I miss it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:47 No.8948697
    I think we might see a huge influx of submarine equipment. I mean, for example, the latest terminator movie. The rebels had their base in the nifty command-marine. With the sea levels higher, international water policed less, a submarine could be a pretty handy thing. Especially if you have a few that have some good ole ICBMs on board
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)01:49 No.8948737

    Good point. One or two ICMB submarines could make ANY organization a serious threat. And its not like it would have been hard for one to slip through the cracks post-Impact.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:55 No.8948833
    Geez, who knows what could get lost after the shitstorm. And its not like there would be a real investigation into any of it. It would be assumed 'destroyed'
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)01:59 No.8948905
    I think we can assume there would be good business in salvaging. For example, the collection of scrap metal from submerged cities. Unless we are at the point where we are mass producing nanotube equipment or really damn good plastics, most of our stuff will still be built with good ole steel, and alot of that is trying really hard to rust away.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:00 No.8948911
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    That thing is 175m long.
    Nobody could stop you on that boat.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:08 No.8949062
    I imagine there'd be fucktons of refugees
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:10 No.8949084
    Assuming it survived the massive tidal wave.
    I imagine the submarines in the southern hemesphere would be in the most danger of destruction during Second Impact. Ironically enough, all subs currently in port too, though more salvagable in that case.

    Anyone have any idea on how well a sub can ride out tidal waves?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:13 No.8949146
    in deep ocean its not a problem, its only when waves like that hit continental shelfs they start to rapidly accelerate and produce shit like tsunamis
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:17 No.8949194
    Things are NEVER la lee dah. Countries may unite, but not people. If countries take droves of refugees there WILL be huge tensions.

    America: Anti-big govt militias would be pretty damn big. Infact, America may be forced to take a less integrated role without there being revolution. Even today, I don't know of any US soldiers serving as part of the UN. Even moderates would flip a dick if we surrendered our sovereignty like that.

    Either America is much more cautious about being part of a world govt and may try to help as a semi-independent ally or they'd isolate themselves.

    Australia in NZ would probably get help since they were always first world nations and shit + have ties to the UK. Africa has always been a shithole.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:18 No.8949207
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    Those things were designed to operate under the polar ice cap. I think if anything survived second impact, it's them.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:20 No.8949247
    >Anyone have any idea on how well a sub can ride out tidal waves?

    Just fine, assuming the trough doesn't reach dive depth. The water in waves moves up and down, not linearly. The wave is moving, not the water.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)02:31 No.8949432
    That's why I mentioned subs in port as being in danger of being destroyed during SI.
    So, we're more or less agreed that a sub out at sea has a good chance of survival, provided they see the massive water displacement coming?

    They might get help, but Australia will be screwed over in terms of population death. We're talking a tidal wave that'll wash at least a third of the landmass, and wipe smaller islands like Tazmania clean.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)03:04 No.8949921
    I remember very little from my watching Evangelion, and I can't contribute anything to this thread but a free bump and some encouragement, because this is all terribly fascinating and I'm excited to see where it goes.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)03:11 No.8949997
    I just feel like pointing this out: Modern missiles today have around an 80% success rate, and it gets worse the longer the missile sits around without you doing constant maintenance.

    Rockets just aren't prone to long-term survivability without high technology to keep them operable.

    And as far as nuclear weapons are concerned, their half lives actually make them useless as bombs after a few centuries. Even less than that.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)03:34 No.8950327
    80% is still quite high in terms of success

    especially when you start firing them off en masse
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)03:35 No.8950345
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    my name is MIRV

    fuck your continent
    >> ELO 04/03/10(Sat)03:47 No.8950477
    Somebody needs to archive this thread or something, there's a lot of valuable information here in one place.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)03:57 No.8950589
    What's the password? D:
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)04:11 No.8950778
    There were no passwords when I went through to download them. First one has a time delay for free downloads, the other two don't.
    Obviously you have not yet been enlightened to the existance of the suptg archive. It's already there, along with the previous threads on this topic.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)04:15 No.8950831
    >First one has a time delay for free downloads
    Why do filesharing services suck so much? Goddamn.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)04:22 No.8950899
    Because they want to suck on your wallet.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)05:41 No.8951647

    >Geez, who knows what could get lost after the shitstorm. And its not like there would be a real investigation into any of it.

    I somehow doubt that a valuable piece of equipment would be allowed to vanish like that. Subs are extremely important assets, not just for military use but also for supply convoys and evac duty (just like all other surviving ships) so I think the UN keeps track of most remaining ones.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 04/03/10(Sat)05:50 No.8951730
    BMJ, if you're still there, there's going to be a delay in the final versions of the fluff stuff. I finished everything, and managed to lose the big file of final versions whiel cleaning it all up. I know it's somewhere in my computer, but I can't find it.

    And I do know how retarded that sounds.

    I can give you everything I've recovered, being most of it, but all the stuff I did in the last two weeks is going to have to be excavated from my shitty labyrinthine hard drive.
    >> Sorain !VReP2N9ezw 04/03/10(Sat)07:23 No.8952372
    hay at least your man enough to admit it. I respect that.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)07:38 No.8952506
    Hey BMJ, you seem to keep spelling "SEELE" as "SELEE". Is this intentional? I'm pretty sure Eva used the correct german spelling (SEELE).
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)09:21 No.8953354

    That's just me being an idiot.

    That's unfortunate, but not immediately critical since the fluff pieces will be the last things to be added (for format reasons). Hope you haven't lost any other work!


    > America: Anti-big govt militias would be pretty damn big. Infact, America may be forced to take a less integrated role without there being revolution. Even today, I don't know of any US soldiers serving as part of the UN. Even moderates would flip a dick if we surrendered our sovereignty like that.

    >Either America is much more cautious about being part of a world govt and may try to help as a semi-independent ally or they'd isolate themselves.

    I would not be entirely surprised if the United States is not the democracy we know and love after SI. A lot of countries probably declared martial law during Second Impact. I wonder how long it took for some of them to finally give up that status...

    Seele in particular would find the US under martial law much easier to control.
    >> Dr. Baron von Evilsatan 04/03/10(Sat)09:31 No.8953444

    Well, I've been up for eighty hours to finish the assignment I lost in time. I know the fucking thing's in my hard drive somewhere, and if THAT shows up somewhere obvious I'm gong to throw the fucking thing out the window and then drop my desk on it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)10:33 No.8953869
    Well from what I've gathered about US Continuity of Government operations. We've got tons of ways to keep the country organized and control with martial law and so on but little to no ways to get out of martial law or reinstitute the old government.

    Also remember some US general making the prediction if we had another big terror attack, that we might need a new form of government.

    So maybe the US is still under martial or has devolved into some sort of related autocratic system?

    As to your other point. I'm sure alot of countries have just got off martial law and some never will. Well by the time Third Impact comes anyway.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)10:35 No.8953889
    Once again, this is where the Official NGE Role Playing Game might come into play.

    It has a map of the world Post 2nd Impact, and, if I remember correctly, a chapter or two about the world beyond Tokyo-3.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)10:40 No.8953919

    >Official NGE Role Playing Game

    What is this and where can it be found?
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)10:56 No.8954068
    > It has a map of the world Post 2nd Impact, and, if I remember correctly, a chapter or two about the world beyond Tokyo-3.

    I keep HEARING about this map, but I never see it. Do you know where it might be found, exactly? Or might you be so kinda as to upload it if you have it?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)11:00 No.8954106
    rolled 57 = 57

    OP, i reccomend you watch blue submarine number 6. the world looks the same, and it could help iron out some differences. Adds alot of naval stuff.

    ignoring the cheesy villain and evil plots, the universe could easily be post second impact, pre teenage kids in mechs eva universe.

    also i reccomend the alternative mangas that flesh out some other details. Adding weird shit like Kawaru attending high school with gendo. and Kaji having even more secretive background stuff going on.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)11:02 No.8954124

    It was printed in Japanese. Hold on, lemme see if I can find the Amazon link for it again.

    Damn, can't find them, but they come with the titles "NERV Hakusho" and "Shito Kourin".

    Apparently, they sell for about six bucks these days, but I haven't found anywhere that sells them.


    Again, I have no idea where it could be found. I found an Amazon link to the RPG once, but it was only describing what it was and not selling it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)11:59 No.8954669
    for the record, ceimoa nan is not a Mexican name in any shape or form
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 04/03/10(Sat)12:06 No.8954756
    Chernobyl is an example of this, the site has wolves and wild animals, people get cancer if they are near this.
    >> NuBlackAnon !!z6ldXGL61Wm 04/03/10(Sat)12:08 No.8954785
    Spacegellion setting: EVAS IN SPACEEEEEEEE
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:13 No.8954826
    Not really related to the thread, but does AdEva offer an explanation to the whole "Pilots have to be 14-year-old teens, mental problems optional" thing? Was this ever explained in the show?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:14 No.8954840
    14 years old means they were born during Second Impact, IIRC.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:17 No.8954868
    >>14 years old means they were born during Second Impact, IIRC.

    This. Children born around that time had greater receptivity to Evas. Actually, every single kid in the highschool that Shinji, Rei, and Asuka went to was a potential Eva candidate. Those three were just the best of the bunch.

    There was one episode when one of Shinji's friends was selected to pilot a new Eva. Things didn't end well.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:35 No.8955090
    Not only that, but most of the official alt-universe stuff and retellings of the story add his other classmates as pilots as well, Hikari, Kensuke, and the like.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:38 No.8955117

    I'm pretty sure that was just Gendo's bullshit to hide the fact that you need to be part angel or have your god damn mom inside the eva to pilot it.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:41 No.8955143
    >>I'm pretty sure that was just Gendo's bullshit to hide the fact that you need to be part angel or have your god damn mom inside the eva to pilot it.

    Having your mom's soul inside certainly seems to help. But other kids have been shown to be able to pilot Evas.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:48 No.8955225
    Black Mesa, can you upload to MF in the future as well as MU?
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)12:50 No.8955247
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    Wow, this is still going? /tg/ never fails to impress.

    Password on the first logs is Nanodesu.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)12:57 No.8955331
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    Finns, IRL Dorfs.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)13:51 No.8955983

    That sounds like something I can do, sure.


    AdEva doesn't touch on exactly what is required for the Eva pilots other than effectively saying that the GM may place whatever restrictions on who or what can pilot and Eva and why for their campaign as they see fit.

    Maybe you need to be born after Second Impact. Maybe you need to have a particular gene. Maybe you need to have had a near-death experience. Its really up to the GM and whatever kind of plot he has in store.

    This way, depending on campaign, the pilots can be the teenagers we expect or adults or a mix of the two as the GM sees fit.

    It seemed the best course of action considering its one of the Grey Areas of Eva, and this way no one feels like their personal theory has been rebuked.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)13:57 No.8956061

    Rebuild 2.0 states otherwise.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)14:35 No.8956471
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    Maybe a little bump?
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)16:09 No.8957687
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    Don't let this slip away, /tg/. Damnit, you have done so much more for projects with less chance of success than this.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)16:15 No.8957782

    Ohh god yes NGE Nobody Dies is pure win.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)16:21 No.8957861
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    It'll go on anyway. Anything uncovered in this thread, we'll fill in ourselves.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)17:58 No.8959108
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    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)18:02 No.8959167

    Asuka's mom is inside her Eva, and Rei is the same person as unit 00.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/03/10(Sat)20:11 No.8961118
    So, currently:

    Russia is probably doing pretty damn well.

    The United States, in addition to have a busted economy, is either still under Martial Law or under a government that is certainly more powerful than the pre-Impact democracy it replaced.

    China is both the worlds foremost manufacturer of just about everything and just barely keeping its people fed, probably in debt to the UN by now as the UN is funneling food to the Chinese workers to keep everything running.

    The UN is mostly running around trying to keep everyone stable and happy, and blowing the shit out of anything that looks like it might cause trouble. Counterinsurgency is a huge priority, and they have the only functional Navy left.

    Pirates are a big deal, especially if you don't stay on the UN patrolled sea lanes. Anyone sneaking around the ocean can probably get around the limited UN patrols without too much effort.

    Anyone with a submarine left is a badass.

    Stalkers/relic hunters are high payed for their job if they are any good. Salvaging in flooded areas is probably a big industry.

    I like where you are going with this, /tg/! I knew I could expect good content out of you. But this thread isn't autosaging yet, lets see if we cant breath new life into this yet!
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:34 No.8963158
    bump for potential awesome.
    >> Poke-War Veteran 04/03/10(Sat)22:38 No.8963227
    Holy Shit.
    I started reading this thread yesterday, but was unable to contribute anything.
    24 hours later, I've still got nothing.
    BMJ, how long (to the best of your knowledge) until next release?
    I wanna start a game BAD, but I don't want to roll characters until everything is final (or as close as we're getting to final).
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:46 No.8963323

    Hmm.. So. Some thoughts. Also forgive wall o text.

    Russia is doing well due to weather right? What if their the new breadbasket? If its grain, its grown there and shipped out everywhere else.

    US should be democratic but its shifted. It'd be like a Whig looking at modern politics, they'd have no clue WTF was up. They put up with security stuff we'd never let anyone do. You have problems with immigrants, which the US always does. Maybe you even have low level insurgents from militia groups.

    China is a world player but heavy importer. It's all made in China and the use the income to pay Russia for food stuffs. Alot of the country might as well say owned by the UN/Nerv.

    UN has the only Navy becuase their the only people with the pocket book for it. It doesn't matter who you are, you don't have a blue water navy. Coast gaurds are common but carriers aren't being flown under anything but a UN flag.

    UN also fights the little wars that keep the world moving. Keeping access open to raw materials the world needs. They can't be everywhere so they have to budget. If you have oil or minerals, UN is in your country get used to it.

    Hmm.. I'd actually disagree about subs. Subs are the one thing countries play with the UN doesn't. Their the ace in the hole in case the Cold War comes back. But they are few in number and dropping as parts are canbalized from ones that have stopped working.

    Have to do some searching on pirates and ponder the religious element.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)22:55 No.8963465
    > religious element.

    Now THERE is a major thought.

    Post-Impact religion MUST be mentioned someone. You cant have a crises like Second Impact without some sort of nutjobs rising up.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:05 No.8963595

    Okay. Forgive wall of text Mark II

    Non-nation state related stuff.

    People fight over a lot of stuff and Second Impact has only added to that.

    Religious wars have not ended. (Won't touch what this has done to religion in general yet, that’s something for everyone to hash out.) The Angels just threw gas on the fire. You have crazies on both sides. Those that believe they are messengers from God and those who think they are from the devil. In civilized areas they protest each other and get into fist fights. In the third world they shoot each other to hell and blow up buildings.

    And even if they think you're doing God's work, they can be dangerous. Pilot identities are kept secret not just for safety but for security. These guys would take articles of a pilots clothing for their wacky cults if they could. "I was touched by the pilot of 01! My heart troubles were cured!" Want to bear/have your children.. Etc etc

    Pirates are a big deal. They are a danger even on the UN patrolled sea lanes. And there have been incidents of cities trashed to get them. The UN doesn't put up with them and their more then willing to curb stomp them. The few that have run afoul of Seele are gone. Enough people have learned that to hijack Nerv related property or personnel, doesn't end well for you or your family.
    >> Poke-War Veteran 04/03/10(Sat)23:10 No.8963680
    I imagine that organized religon would die during SI, but a great deal of people would still practice individually. With the devastation so widespread, localized beliefs and cults would gather strength just after SI, but lose it again as things stabilized.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:13 No.8963731

    Other people.. Last wall o text

    Stalkers/relic hunters. Were a huge industry to begin with. The longer stuff sits in water the more useless it gets. So its gotten a bit smaller but its still a big job, alot of people make good money. Getting art. Finding old supplies. Looting sunken banks. Their somewhere between mercs and salvage crews. They have to be to protect against pirates and local militia. Some of them are probably pirates to, when they don't have salvage to do.

    Militia groups/Warlords/Gangs. If the UN isn't in your town or the local army. You probably listen to these guys. They exist in the 1st world as well but are frequently stepped upon by the UN and local governments.

    Odd. Question. Is out buddy the PMC still around? I could see the UN contracting alot of security out in the 3rd world so they can focus on angels and bigger stuff.

    Oh and for me anyway. The 1st world are the major UN guys. 2nd world are those countries that weren't totally trashed or have resources the UN needs. 3rd world is f**ked, you have nothing the UN wants or needs. You'll see them when they come by to blow up the local warlord becuase he's pissed them off.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)23:14 No.8963748
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    If I'm thinking right, NERV is essentially a real big PMC, so all of the competition probably would've been bought up.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:16 No.8963794

    Yeah. But I'm refering to like Blackwater type stuff. I just can't see Nerv bothering with providing boots on the ground in the 3rd world.
    >> Touhou Homebrew Guy 04/03/10(Sat)23:21 No.8963874
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    Dunno. If the UN handles that, I don't see why they wouldn't make it easier by paying the same guy. NERV is assumed to have a whole lot of weight to throw around besides the evas, after all.
    >> Anonymous 04/03/10(Sat)23:26 No.8963963
    If NERV did everything, it wouldn't need the UN, wouldn't it? If a bureaucratic moloch such as the UN knows how to do one thing, then it's how to make itself not redundant.
    They're probably keeping a few bigger arms manufacturers around, if only to keep NERV from getting all powerful, instead of almost so.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:19 No.8964869

    Given the unified military power, PMCs are probably either heavily discouraged or flat-out illegal. You cant wage war without military might, and the PMCs provide that to people the UN really would rather they didn't.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:24 No.8964955

    Yeah. Thats part of the problem of trying to expand on a vision of the future that was done a while back. Some of the stuff doesn't mix.

    I could still see them as being avialible for private companies who might be going out in the 3rd world and can't have a UN unit watching their backs.
    >> Anonymous 04/04/10(Sun)00:25 No.8964987
    There are probably alliances of professional mercenaries in regions the UN doesn't care about. Maybe an alliance of the remaining police forces there.

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