Elcor

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+35
Toughness 2d10+35
Agility 2d10+15
Intelligence 2d10+25
Perception 2d10+25
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+15


Hanar

Weapon Skill 2d10+5
Ballistic Skill 2d10+5
Strength 2d10+15
Toughness 2d10+15
Agility 2d10+25
Intelligence 2d10+45
Perception 2d10+45
Willpower 2d10+45
Fellowship 2d10+25

Human

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+25
Toughness 2d10+25
Agility 2d10+25
Intelligence 2d10+25
Perception 2d10+25
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+25

Salarian

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+15
Toughness 2d10+15
Agility 2d10+25
Intelligence 2d10+35
Perception 2d10+25
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+35

Turian

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+25
Toughness 2d10+25
Agility 2d10+35
Intelligence 2d10+35
Perception 2d10+25
Willpower 2d10+5
Fellowship 2d10+25


Volus

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+20
Toughness 2d10+20
Agility 2d10+25
Intelligence 2d10+40
Perception 2d10+20
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+25


Batarian

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+25
Toughness 2d10+25
Agility 2d10+35
Intelligence 2d10+25
Perception 2d10+35
Willpower 2d10+5
Fellowship 2d10+25


Krogan

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+35
Toughness 2d10+35
Agility 2d10+20
Intelligence 2d10+20
Perception 2d10+20
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+20

>Asari
>Lower base weapon/ballistic skill than Humans

Quarian

Weapon Skill 2d10+25
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+25
Toughness 2d10+10
Agility 2d10+35
Intelligence 2d10+40
Perception 2d10+25
Willpower 2d10+25
Fellowship 2d10+15


Vorcha

Weapon Skill 2d10+35
Ballistic Skill 2d10+25
Strength 2d10+35
Toughness 2d10+35
Agility 2d10+35
Intelligence 2d10+15
Perception 2d10+35
Willpower 2d10+5
Fellowship 2d10+5


Characteristics:
Weapon Skill
Ballistic Skill
Strength
Toughness
Agility
Intelligence
Perception
Willpower
Fellowship

Adept - Characteristic Advances
Weapon Skill - 3
Ballistic Skill - 2
Strength - 2
Toughness - 2
Agility - 3
Intelligence - 1
Perception - 1
Willpower - 1
Fellowship - 3
Soldier - Combat Specialist
Weapon Skill - 2
Ballistic Skill - 1
Strength - 1
Toughness - 1
Agility - 2
Intelligence - 3
Perception - 3
Willpower - 3
Fellowship - 2
Engineer - Tech Specialist
Weapon Skill - 3
Ballistic Skill - 2
Strength - 3
Toughness - 3
Agility - 2
Intelligence - 1
Perception - 1
Willpower - 2
Fellowship - 1

Vanguard - Biotic/Combat
Weapon Skill - 2
Ballistic Skill - 2
Strength - 1
Toughness - 1
Agility - 3
Intelligence - 3
Perception - 2
Willpower - 1
Fellowship - 3
Sentinel - Tech/Biotic
Weapon Skill - 3
Ballistic Skill - 2
Strength - 2
Toughness - 1
Agility - 3
Intelligence - 1
Perception - 2
Willpower - 1
Fellowship - 3
Infiltrator - Tech/Combat
Weapon Skill - 3
Ballistic Skill - 2
Strength - 3
Toughness - 3
Agility - 1
Intelligence - 1
Perception - 1
Willpower - 2
Fellowship - 2

Skill Points: Every 100 xp grants a skill point. The cost to increase skills are relative to the class, like in Rogue Trader. More centric skills are cheaper, where more class irrelevant skills cost more.

Wish I could have pasted it in courier. Monotype font is great for making things look nice.


>>9124785
It's because they got a boost to WP/Fel because they are almost ALL biotics.

But, yeah, this is about as in-depth as we have got so far. Basic racial bonuses for stats, and the class skill lists and costs. We're going to do racial power bonuses today, and probably do other skills as well.

Any ideas you guys wanna input?

>Krogan
>Strength 2d10+35
>Vorcha
>Strength 2d10+35

On an unrelated note.
Is playing soldier in number 1 a good way to play or should I go tech or biotic?

>>9124889
Soldier or Vanguard for one. All are somewhat viable in two

>>9124889

I played soldier. After I did, the rest of the classes seemed like a joke to me.

So yeah, you got the best armor and can use ALL the weapons. You have awesome damage reduction, the most hitpoints, a killer melee strike, even more hitpoints, awesome hitpoint regeneration, a skill that soaks up 90% of the damage inflicted to you and you can spam adrenaline boost.

Soldier was here. Biotech users are maggots.

>>9124861

I wouldn't go with the standard mass effect classes, imo.

>>9124861
Personally, I would prune it back to the core races - Human, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Krogan, Quarian. It'll make things much easier while you stress-test the rules for balance and make sure the alterations to Rogue Trader work fluidly. You can introduce the more niche races like Batarians or Drell, or the really weird ones like Hanaar, later.

>>9124920
>>9124901
Thanks.
I tried Infiltrator first off but only sniper got annoying.
I'll have to restart it then.

>>9124920
Sure, maybe soldiers are best. Shame they're also boring.

The last section of the game (on the side of the Citadel Tower) is godly to play as an Adept.

>>9124951
We were thinking that too. We just were riding the high of laughter from an Elcor character concept as the ship captain or Rogue Trader of the game.

"Are you trying to rip me off?!"

"Deceptive reply, no, of course not. Blatant sarcasm, you're an intelligent and respectable merchant."

>>9124959
infiltrators are good with heavy pistols too...

>>9124861
Are you going to incorperate Rogue Trader's background system? Remove the trees so you can basically pick what you like a rename/refluff the options as you see fit. I always really liked that bit of the system, giving you various bonuses and penalties for the things your character has gone through in their life.

>>9124871
Another weird one, yeah. We were thinking in terms of Vorscha being good at nothing but combat, and didn't want to give the other 10 pts in Toughness, to beat Krogans. Since they're skinny bastards.

>>9124959

Well, Vanguard was the one with the biotech/shotgun mix, right?

Well, that guy is really hell in close combat, but I ain't gonna lie to you - sometimes, you do not want to be close. You suck at mid to long range, your abilities take forever to recharge and are not really that effective most of the time. Though it is hilarious to lift some guys off their feet, there is usually more of them shooting at you, and you lack the damage-soaking ability a soldier has.

All in all, you die fast, even with the shield power, it only takes 1-2 rockets hitting you or some dudes with assault rifles/shotguns/sniper rifles.

However, biotech can be fun. You can throw cover at enemies. However, you can do that with a shotgun, too.

All in all, I prefered soldier/shock trooper. There's nothing cooler then just jumping into the fray and kick some ass, rather then hiding somewhere hoping the enemy does not follow through while your abilities recharge.

Adrenaline boost and immunity is like the best skill to combine EVER!

>>9125016
Yeah, we're going to do something like that. For starters, we'll probably just cut out the blocks of text and say

> <Option> - <Bonus/Penalties>

Fluff them out later.

>>9124889
Infiltrators cast a long shadow over both games, and are generally second only to soldiers in each.

>>9125004
Theres heavy pistols in no.1?

>>9124889

I've played an infiltrator, then vanguard, then engineer, then adept.
So everything BUT soldier. I guess it's because I don't like when the only thing my characters are good at is fighting. Even in computer games.

>>9125058
There're pistols, and if you want the authentic magnum experience, just slap a High-Caliber Barrel, or Rail Extension on there.

>>9125064
In ME1 it was a bit of a downer since HERP DERP can't hack shit captain. Glad they fixed that in ME2. Soldier is the best class, if not high tier on the list, since everything in ME2 needs to get through some combat to accomplish stuff.

Also, fuck the ammo system in ME2. ME1 had a brilliant system. Exploitable, but brilliant. State-of-the-art apparently means stepping backwards in time to the point where you still needed spare ammo.

>>9124968

You can't be serious. Equipping a shotgun with high-explosive ammo and adding 2 extended coils is boring?

I mean, sure, you have to wait for cooldown after every shot, but you can take it! Your enemies, at the other hand, don't even have a chance to take cover!

Soldier was fine. I found biotech classes to be more boring due to long skill cooldown even if skilled.

Also, if you play soldier, you can take zaki and liara with you for a well "rounded party". You look like THE PIMP.

>>9125120
frictionless mats x + radar x, feels good man

>>9125120
It succeeded at what it was designed to do, though, which is encouraging you to switch up your weapons and not just assault rifle/sniper rifle spam all the time. But yes, it's a weird step backwards fluffwise.

ME1 ammo less guns or
ME2 "heatsink clip"s?

ME1: Portable Railgun

Spectre Sniper Rifle
Scram Rail X
Scram Rail X
High Explosive Ammunition

Chaingun:
Spectre or high-damage rifle of your choice
Scram Rail X
Scram Rail X
Snowblind Rounds X

Shredder Cannon:
Shotgun of choice
Frictionless Materials X
Frictionless Materials X
Hammerhead Rounds X

>>9125164
ME1 ammo less guns DUH

>>9125147
tali got boring in me 1, i didn't have any use for her at all either in me2, only to tap cause i cba dealing with a depressed aussie chick or a psycho emo angry girl

>>9125164
You could do both, like it sounded they were trying to do originally in the second game. Weapons naturally dissipate heat, but a player can insert a heat sink at any time to make their weapon minty cool, assuming they have one on them.

>>9125210
Still doesn't explain why you can't just wait for it to cool on its own. And where's all the heat go when you DON'T have a clip on hand? It quietly sits there waiting for a heat sink to be inserted, then instantly transfer all of it to the clip?

additionally you could make the hot heatsinks hands on NADES

>>9125229
I'm describing how it sounded like it worked when they were previewing the game, bro, not how it actually worked in the shipped product.

>>9125229
Safety feature. The gun won't fire without a usable clip inserted.

I've came up with a few character concepts that you are free to use

Drell Adventurer:
Bored with the stability and serenity of the hanar homeworld, this drell decided to travel the expanses of the galaxy. He managed to convince a local news station to finance his trip out in exchange for writing stories and articles of his adventures. His goals are to travel the width of the galaxy and share its story. While young and inexperienced, he is a very quick study and extremely intelligent.

Batarian Gladiator:
Once one of the most feared pirates of the terminus systems, he was betrayed and forced into slavery where he was thrown into the batarian blood arenas. After years of brutality he managed to rally his fellow slaves and a massive jail break. Now on the run from batarian law, he is now eternally conflicted about his own desire to survive and about the slaves still in captivity that he feels compelled to free.

Elcor Chemist:
A once highly decorated elcor scientist, he was shamed upon discovery of using one of his compounds to enhance his thinking processes. Shunned by Elcor society, he has made his way across the galaxy selling his exotic and sometimes illicit substances to anyone with a bit of credits. In battle he can injest a special liquid that boosts his thinking and reflexes to comparable levels of a human or turian. His skills and knowledge are extremely valuable but his reliability is called into question by his addiction to many of the drugs he has pioneered.

>>9125120

In ME2 I've played only my vanguard character (my PC broke and I hadn't got enough money for a new motherboard for some time... so yeah) but now I'm gonna play all classes (except soldier, that is) and get all 6 endings (3 from ME1 x 2 from ME2).

And the new ammo system. I don't see a point of it - you've got always enough ammo because ammo clips are everywhere but you have to waste time to pick them up. Also, without them weapons should overheat like in ME1 not just stop to shoot.

>>9125257
Oh. My bad.

... wait, the point still stands though. Damn it EA. You fucked up C&C enough, stop fixing what isn't broken.

shouldn't krogan get 2d10+50 strength

>>9125264
If you notice, though, you don't really load a clip. Ever.

You pull back the breach and eject the spent clip. Even at the start, when you find the empty pistol. You pull back the breach and eject a flaming, spent, pistol clip.

Back to OPs system, why do Turians only get +5 to willpower

>>9125313
That "empty" pistol actually had used clip in it. The clips molecular structure is forever changed by the heat dissipation process to be cherry red and slightly flaming.

Or something like that. Could just be EA-induced animation laziness.

One of the developers of ME2 said the heatsink clips and cover based combat was to attract the Gears of War crowd.

>>9125379
I didn't know that there was a Gears of War crowd...

>>9125272
Except near the end were baddies just keep coming, you start to run low quickly if you don't watch your shots.

>>9125272

wait, 3? council lives, council dies.... 3?

>>9125268

Quarian Rogue:
Exiled from the fleet for his reckless and dangerous behaviour, he decided to make the most out of this opportunity and travelled around as a risky but efficient space ship pilot. A known smuggler, pirate and racer his ability to outrun Csec authorities should greatly off set his confrontational and arrogant attitude. While he enjoys his travels, the quarian is ever on the lookout for an object, an information or anything that could get him back into the fleet. It isn't an urgent priority but one he always has an eye out for.

Vorcha:
A vorcha found and saved by the party, its savage nature is tampered by endless gratitude to its new pack mates. And while he may clean out the fridge unit, he is also the first squad member to take a pilot for the rest of the team (a fact often used by the rest of the squad). He's happy just to fight and have pack mates.

Turian Spy:

Posing as the "brains" of the squad her value to the squad is revealed in her expanded knowledge of galactic affairs, intelligence contacts, her professional plans, computer skills and the strangely steady aim. In truth she is an intelligence officer of the Turian hierarchy trying to keep tabs on the scum of the galaxy. At some point the shadow broker will approach her with an offer she cannot refuse...

>>9125410

Always when it's possible, I use powers instead of shooting.

>>9125453

1) Council lives,
council dies and:
2) the new Council is formed entirely by humans (Renegade)
3) there are all former Council races + humans (Paragon)

>>9125410
i usually save using the heavy weapon near the end

>>9125333

Because Turians usually obey orders from superiors. I think 2d10+5 is stupidly low. 2d10+20 would be better.

Also, I'd change the difference between races from simple stat bonuses. Korgans, for example, are going to have Unnatural Toughness x2, Regeneration and a bunch of Talents relating to making them hardcore. As a downside you probably want to penalise their intelligence and give them a trait which gives them a penalty to attempting anything non-combat related. Turians would probably get 1 or 2 innate AP due to their metallic hides and all Asari would start with a power or two and Psy Rating +1.

>>9125160
>>It succeeded at what it was designed to do, though, which is encouraging you to switch up your weapons and not just assault rifle/sniper rifle spam all the time. But yes, it's a weird step backwards fluffwise.

Giving the weapons strengths and weaknesses would have done that.

Even if my sniper rifle never ran out of ammo, the fact that it couldn't tear through shields the way an SMG or Assault Rifle could would have stikll nmade the latter attractive options.

no

Sorry, OP went to eat:

Turians (and other low-willpower races) is purely because we're using Willpower for the purpose of Biotic abilities.

While I think that the Rogue Trader game system could work, wouldn't it be easier to, oh I don't know, keep the character generation method that that game has? Start everyone with the 2d10+25, in their stats, but rather than selecting the planet, they come from they choose their race. That way you don't have such a large list of different rolls for different races, and you can include some racial benefits as well, such as Krogan/Vorcha regeneration, or Asari natural biotics, etc.

I agree that keeping the 'core' races, Human, Asari, Turian, Salarian and Krogan would be the best idea, and add the others later.

Also, the Hanar are apparently strong, but outside of water, not very agile/fast.

I'd also use both ME1 and ME2's ammo system. If you roll the 96-100 your gun overheats, and you either let it cool down slowly - meaning you can't fire for 2 rounds or whatever or you replace the heatsink. This keeps the feel of both games.

But all in all, I think that the Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy system would be a good match for mass effect.

How would anyone else change the stats out of curiosity? Should I stick with the net gain/loss of total stats being = 225 in bonus, or gauge appropriately as needed?