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    86 KB Planes and Mercenaries XXIII op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/16/10(Fri)20:59 No.9238394  
    Before we started, we had a few housekeeping things to do, mostly involving Hugs and Scotch. Scotch had to buy another plane, but was a bit short on cash. He was hoping to get another Viggen, but in the end it was cheaper to get a MiG-23. After he did some research, he actually seemed pretty happy with it. He was going to do Air-to-air again, but installed a centreline camera pod with sat upload. He also mounted eight Aphids. He had no time to repaint his aircraft either, so it was painted in desert brown, the color it was put into Russian storage as. The engine was apparently 'new' as was most of the plane. Hugs on the other hand, took a step up, and got a SU-30, but not the basic, he got the thrust vectoring two-seat version. Both aircraft arrived four hours (or so) before the mission started. Sandman decided to take his Fencer this time, instead of the F-111, since he seemed worried about losing the Aardvark. I was tempted to take the F-4 but decided against it. Judge didn't have too much work to do either, he put on four Archers, two bio-tanks and a centreline fuel tank. I had two AMRAAMs and four sidewinders, as well as two IED simulator bombs and two bio tanks. Sandy loaded four Bio-tanks and four IED weapons. Hugs followed the Scotch plan, and loaded eight Archers, and four Alamos.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:00 No.9238408
    Oh, Hugs....
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:03 No.9238457
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    For those wondering about what this is (other than AWESOME)


    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:04 No.9238469
    arriving to see a new planes and mercs thread with only one reply in it- FOR THE WIN.

    carry on, op, carry on.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:05 No.9238491
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    Yay, Planes and Mercs!
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:05 No.9238507
    Not this shit again.

    Go to /k/ for your fapfiction.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:06 No.9238522
    If I am reading this right...

    You are the only one not flying Russia! Strong! equipment?
    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:08 No.9238552


    ... sorry, had to get the /k/rap out of my system.
    >> RIP Biscuit Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)21:13 No.9238621
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    Excellent, I look forward to see how this goes.

    Also watched the first half of AREA 88, its pretty awesome, and there is some lovingly draw plane porn in it. Lots of attention to detail at times, though a few humorous mistakes here and there (like machine-gun bullets firing out of a rocket pod).
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)21:13 No.9238622
    Alright! Time for another thread!
    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:14 No.9238646
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    Someday I'm going to use the Air War C.21 rules to run a 1940s era combat game.

    No plane stats available for it, sure, but on the plus side, actual performance data for those ships can be found if you Know Where To Look, and I do.

    What'd be TRULY boss would be "Soviet Volunteers fighting GLORIOUS NIPPON in defense of China!" I-16 was here, Ki-27 is for BASTARDS.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:15 No.9238652
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    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)21:15 No.9238672
    You pull it off, i'll be there
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:17 No.9238696

    There's Air War 1917, you could start there. I think that version is even free.
    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:17 No.9238699

    cool. I'm thinking- table with a map, GM has a webcam set up, everyone is using teamspeak or roger wilco or what-have-you to have a conference chat. GM moves minis for everyone's declared move.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)21:19 No.9238729
    You'd have to have a good webcam, lighting, and be able to position it above the table.
    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:19 No.9238736
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    I am pleased to know about this. Those rules would have more emphasis on ACM, which is what is needed.
    >> planefag 04/16/10(Fri)21:21 No.9238754

    that sounds doable.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:32 No.9238969
    Whats the hold up? Where'd everyone go?
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/16/10(Fri)21:35 No.9239010
    We took off, 15 minutes prior to the Spetsnaz activation times. We began heading towards the border, with myself and Sandy low, the others sniffing a little bit but not much higher. As planned, the few remaining radars that were up suddenly dropped, apparently the special forces mission had succeeded. We turned, and began our run inbound. Our plan was to do both the airfield and the water reservoir at the same time, and take out the tv tower on the way out if we could have time to do it. After the last mission we didn't want to spend much time over the target area. None of us had our Radars on, since we were supposed to be 'stealthy'. We were banking on coming in with minimal time to prepare on the other side, and being gone before they knew we were there, especially given the short flight time. We crossed the border, and were about 30~40 miles out when all our radar warning systems went off! There was an airborne search radar, two fighter radars, and about five ground search radars that all went active at the same time.

    (I'm going to get some supper, back soon, sorry)
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)21:38 No.9239070
    >all our radar warning systems went off!

    So much for stealth approach. Sounds like whoever that is has nailed your entry point and has it covered. And you always have to go for food and leave us on a cliff hanger paragraph end.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:49 No.9239235
    I'm betting those mercs from the bridge mission are going to show up again.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)21:51 No.9239274
    That's what i'm thinkin too.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)21:55 No.9239332
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    I'm counting on it.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:56 No.9239357
    They're the party's archnemeses.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:56 No.9239361
    This sounds awesome, I was thinking of running a similar game using the Wings of War system
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)21:59 No.9239408
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    > Hugs on the other hand, took a step up, and got a SU-30, but not the basic, he got the thrust vectoring two-seat version.

    Sukhoi is going to love that this happend far more than what is considered sane and normal
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)22:01 No.9239428
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    WWII China is a good front to set a campaign on.

    No real traditional Chinese Air Force was left shortly into the conflict, so hiring mercenaries and other "Foreign Legion"/"Volunteer Squadron" is pretty plausible.

    Plus it lets you start the campaign a bit easy, the Japanese, who established air dominance, simply wouldn't expect enemy resistance to just suddenly show up, so the place is undoubtedly full of old equipment and rookie pilots. However as the MAS starts to do significant damage and prove themselves a threat, better pilots and planes would be sent in to deal with them.

    And there is always the chance to make things complicated, given the Nationalist and Communist factions within China.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)22:03 No.9239465
    Agreed. The only other option in that general time period was Italy's adventures in attempted imperialism and the Spanish Civil War.

    And I would have to...without a doubt...fly an I-16
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)22:09 No.9239545
    I'd call either greed or neglect their archnemesis. They're fighting for money, so I'd very much expect money to bury them as well.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)22:10 No.9239559
    Okay, greed is the archnemesis and those other mercs are the flunkies of greed.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)22:11 No.9239580
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    So that'd be a Su-30MK... like a poorman's Su-37 Terminator. Not bad at all!
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/16/10(Fri)22:30 No.9239889
    I doubt the MKI is a poor man's Terminator.

    I think your pic is her reaction in rl.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)22:31 No.9239907
    The SU-30 is just a SU-27 UB. It's barely an upgrade.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)22:44 No.9240127
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    It's either that picture, or this.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/16/10(Fri)22:53 No.9240256
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    We quickly looked at the locations, the fighters were a ways off, northwest of the city, as was the AWACs. The ground based radars were all SAM radars, located inside the city, and one on the airfield. We quickly decided that the airfield was a no-go, since a pass over it at low altitude was a guaranteed disaster. We decided to proceed as a group towards the reservoir, dump all our cargo, and then head back as quick as we could. Hugs and Scotch got ready to go after the two airborne targets, with Hugs trying to get an IR lock. We turned slightly towards the city, and went to max burner, all of us pushing close to the ground. We could see parts of the city illuminated, but not by lights, by scattered small fires in the street. It would seem that the riots had started. We began to see tracer rounds in the streets as we drew even closer. We hoped that the SAMs couldn't get a lock on us at our altitudes, and flew hard, our RWRs becoming even more persistent with their squeals. My RIO called out that it appeared to be Crotale systems, so out came the reference books for us.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:02 No.9240366
    Where the hell did the Georgians get Crotales from? The nearest country having them are the greek.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:04 No.9240389
    I smell NATO.

    OH fuck x Zerplex.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:26 No.9240745
    What is a Crotale?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:28 No.9240796
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    A missile system.

    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)23:30 No.9240824
    >Crotale systems

    French built but not necessarily meaning NATO. French sell to just about everyone so who knows who they might be.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:33 No.9240869

    Ze French are here to merde up yur shit.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/16/10(Fri)23:33 No.9240870
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    We crossed the city boundary quickly, ripping across the night sky, when the anti-aircraft fire started. Luckily it wasn't directed, yet, but we saw a line of tracers pop up, followed by another, and another. Steve told us that within about five seconds there were too many to count reliably. Our RWR began picking up fire control radar from within the city, as the air defense units began activating, trying to find us amidst the clutter. We rolled every phase to avoid random fire, as well as the ground/buildings. Hugs got a lock on one of the airborne targets, calling out it was MiG-21. He was too low to launch, so he performed a manoeuvre to pop up and drop some missiles. He pulled it off, letting two Alamos loose, and heading back down, but not before getting pinged by radar sources, his RIO screaming about SAM launches and tracking issues. We saw the anti-aircraft fire shift, now firing in our direction, or as best they could. Steve explained that one of the problems with putting them in a city is that they have limited fire angles due to buildings being in the way close to where they are parked. Didn't reassure us much though, since we had a pretty good idea of how dangerous this fire could be. The aircraft in the air turned towards us, and began hammering us with their onboard radars, and a phase later we had missiles inbound towards us, with Judge and Sandy being targets.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:35 No.9240897
    They're both flankers, they both have canards, they both have thrust vectoring... so I imagine they'd operate very similarly in a fight.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:36 No.9240907
    Do you have a non-subtitled version of that?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:38 No.9240947
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    Sure, the OVA gives you lots of helmet shots.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)23:39 No.9240967
    Hmm yes...heavily defended city thats ready and waiting + CAP fighters + AWACS = a bad night for you.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:40 No.9240973
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:41 No.9240983
    This is turning into a full-fledged war.

    Which is awesome. Goddamn OP, you are the luckiest motherfucker on the planet. I would actually PAY to be a part of your RP.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:42 No.9240999
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    Here is some others. I find it amusing the Japanese pilot has what looks like an Iron Cross on his helmet.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)23:44 No.9241021

    I found it funny, and cool, that A4s seemed to be quite plentiful in that movie/show. Though they almost seemed to be the mooks of the show.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:45 No.9241029
    >so who knows who they might be

    Someone who wants you to -think- NATO's in on this.

    Which, yeah, still could be anybody. Even NATO itself.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:45 No.9241032
    Is the old series any better than the newer ovas?

    I saw the newer ones and I really enjoyed them sans emo.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:47 No.9241059
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    Crazy bastard lands with his A-6 on fire, jumps out, orders the crews to put out the fire, grabs medicinal alcohol, dumps it in his hair and "shampoos" with it (drinks some too), wraps bandages around his head, and immediately orders the ground crew, who just finished putting out the fire to refuel and rearm his plane, without repairing it.

    "There's a whole frickin' swarm of tanks out there!"

    Fucking crazy. Even if there are sizable kill bounties.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/16/10(Fri)23:48 No.9241075
    ^_^ Yeah that was pretty funny wasn't it.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:48 No.9241079
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    Older is better.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:49 No.9241087
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    Vietnam vet, former US Navy pilot. Traumatized by the war he was unable to adjust to civilian live and eventually drifts his way to flying an F-100 Super Saber at Area 88 as its #2 ace. Said Super Saber is painted matte black and has the playboy bunny emblazoned on the tail.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:50 No.9241101
    NATO on one side, the Russians on the other, full-blown firefights on the street, air raids, BW's released in the water supply of a major city...

    I think OP's group may have been instrumental in starting the third World War. And as I see it, they're stuck on the wrong side. Wouldn't it be really funny if they'd actually been unwittingly working for a nationalist extremist group inside the FSB acting on their own?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:51 No.9241118
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    Haven't seen the 2004 one aside from youtube clips, but I'm rather enjoying the OVA. I took about 350 screen grabs of the first half (180 min long).

    Its still got war drama though, dealing with pilots losing their humanities. The Main character especially struggles with this, not surprising though, he's a shanghaied airline pilot, not a trained soldier.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:53 No.9241137
    I have to admit that I love the main character's tail sign.

    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:53 No.9241148
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    Out of interest, did the Navy have 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'?
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/16/10(Fri)23:54 No.9241155
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    Oh yes, its pretty awesome, considering one doesn't usually think of Unicorns in such a badass fashion.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:55 No.9241162
    I have the new one, it's good to a point, just ignore the forced emo shit.

    We need Area 88 done by a North American company. Shit would be so cash.

    ...Wonder if Steve would be willing to help out.
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    Hah. Probably a case of the animators trying to use a fake brandname that turns out to be very very real...
    >> Anonymous 04/16/10(Fri)23:58 No.9241216

    ... actually, dammit. That actually makes sense. Which is even more insane.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)00:00 No.9241239
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    Both the missiles rocketed towards Judge's Fulcrum and Sandy's Fencer. There really was no room to manoeuvre, based on our altitude and speed. Judge didn't have a problem for long, since Hugs missiles blotted the Fishbed out of the sky in a flash of light and fire on the horizon. The odd thing was that this caused some of the anti-air fire to turn towards that part of the sky. Unfortunately the other aircraft's missiles were still coming in at Sandy, we could actually see their contrails racing in to meet his Fencer. So Sandy pushed his plane lower, essentially rocketing at supersonic speeds underneath the roofline of the larger buildings of the city down a large avenue in Tblisi, his wake/sonic boom blowing out windows on either side of the street and on the few cars parked on the side. The tactic worked, the missiles lost guidance in the street clutter and smashed into the city near, but not close enough to hurt the Fencer. Hugs finally got a lock on the other aircraft, calling it as a Delta wing, probably Mirage, and popped up again to launch his Alamos. Unfortunately the Air Defense crews were ready, and immediately put six Crotales into the air from various points in the city.
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    I dunno there seem to be a good mix at Area 88.

    Multiple F-5Es, quite a few A-4s, at least one other F-8 Crusader beside the main characters, several IAI Kfirs, and multiple F-4 Phantoms.

    What I find funny is not one Eastern fighter at Area 88. Though the Aslan rebel Air Force seems to use the MiG-21 as it's primary fighter and the enemy mercenary group that showed up were flying MiG-27Ds.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:02 No.9241286
    There's also the little fact that most of the Japanese aircraft were utter shit.

    Their flying boats were good, but you won't be running into many of them. The Zero isn't scheduled to show up until 1941, and even it stops being as good once you figure out how to kill it. Pretty much everything else the Japanese had was good enough to kill the Chinese, but crap when compared to any Western equipment.

    In fact, that was the case with, well, practically every single bit of equipment the Japanese used in the war, both their Army and their Navy. It's why they never won a battle once raw bravery and ability to make do with horrible logistics were no longer enough for victory.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:03 No.9241294
    >Sandy pushed his plane lower, essentially rocketing at supersonic speeds underneath the roofline of the larger buildings of the city down a large avenue in Tblisi, his wake/sonic boom blowing out windows on either side of the street and on the few cars parked on the side

    This will be drawfagged, multiple times.

    Sandy just took Judge's awesome wig.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/17/10(Sat)00:03 No.9241303
    >six Crotales

    lol! So screwed. But an awesome maneuver by Sandy...hellishly risky but still cool.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:03 No.9241304
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    Oh boy, time to start hitting the countermeasure button like a madman.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:04 No.9241320
    I'm trying to think in Kinematics, how would you beat these missiles?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:04 No.9241321
    You're forgetting the cold war era backdrop, bub. You can read into a vast variety of undertones just by looking at what hardware which side fields.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:05 No.9241337

    Sandman has always been the coolest, ever since the low pass on the gunboat.
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    Oh SHI-
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    True, its probably something of a Korea/Vietnam style proxy war. Still you'd think someone would show up with something Eastern.

    So, who can identify these jets?
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/17/10(Sat)00:07 No.9241370

    I'm gonna have to be offended by those statements, especially the bit about the navy. They're navy was easily the third most powerful navy, possibly even second most powerful, at the beginning of the war and they stayed up there in terms of training and ship quality through late 43. Their destroyers and cruisers were top notch and typically had amazing crews. Their carrier force was the best in the world up through Midway and their Battleships were dated but decent.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:08 No.9241387

    English Electric Lightning?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:09 No.9241405


    "Aw, Fishbeds? FUCK YOU! I can break the sound barrier while going STRAIGHT UP!!!"
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    >> Alpha_1 04/17/10(Sat)00:12 No.9241451
    Mashing F5 like the fist of the goddamn northstar.

    Which is great because I missed the last two threads.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:17 No.9241557
    The IJN was pretty win, it did outclass the USN and RN pretty badly (in the Pacific, anyway, wouldn't stand up to the Home Fleet) The problem was logistics and how many ships they could built, which was sweet fuck all compared to how many the US churned out.

    The Army wasn't the best equipped, their tanks were shit and their firearms were... not bad, they definetly did the job, but they had no semi-auto rifles or SMG's (Type-100 had maybe 2-300 built, which is bugger all) But their strength was the soldiers and their tenacity, courage and skills at jungle warfare.

    As for the airforce, they build some good fighters, but only right at the end- the Zeke was ok but underpowered and with no armour, the Raiden was a good high-speed interceptor once you got past the maintenance issues, and the Frank was almost on-par with the Mustang, which was the best fighter of the war.

    Again, the problem is how many they could get out to the frontline during a full-scale war. Not only building fighters and bomber, but training crew- they had a Nintendo-Hard course for trainees, which gave them only a few pilots a year but they were all the best of the best. Then came Midway, where they lost around 200 of their best, who they couldn't replace any time soon.

    tl:dr- Jap military was damn good, any outclassed hardware balanced by skilled soldiers/sailors/pilots, could not match US production = war lost.
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    I do have to wonder how a merc got his hands on an F-16 though, even if he was the local legend returned to fight again. Area 88 is set in either 1979 or 1980, the F-16 was brand fucking new. How'd he get one?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:18 No.9241593
    Less about Korea/Nam, more about Iran. I just can't help but smile when looking how that little venture's come back to haunt the 'states.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:19 No.9241599
    Their carrier force had the best pilots. The ships themselves, as far as carriers go, were so-so. Granted, so were pretty much all of the pre-Essex/Taiho designs, but still. They were swiftly crippled by a combination of hideous losses to their trained pilot cadre and complete inflexibility in rebuilding air wings. As far as the IJN was concerned, an air wing was permanently attached to a single carrier; the idea of taking planes from an intact wing on a damaged carrier and using them to fill out the ruined wing on an intact carrier never really crossed their mind (this fucked them hardest after Coral Sea, because it meant that Zuikaku had to stay out of action until her air wing was rebuilt, while Shokaku's wing sat on the beach until their carrier was repaired). They also never considered other little things, like cannibalizing some of their damaged planes for parts to repair other damaged ones when they didn't have any designated spare parts at hand.

    Their ships had the crippling flaw that they never quite got the idea of "build a line of identical ships, THEN start on a new model" down. Maintenance could be hellish as a result of needing slightly different bits for each ship. This was especially bad for, IIRC, anything heavier than a destroyer. The constant fuel shortages (hell, shortages of everything) didn't help as far as range or training were concerned. And the Yamato and Musashi were tremendous wastes of time and metal.

    Their subs were very nice boats, and were utterly misused.

    Their tanks may have been even worse than the Italian ones.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:20 No.9241616
    That's pretty damn awesome.. though a sonic boom won't blow out the windows on a car, just on the buildings. Showed that on Mythbusters actually with one of the blue angels buzzing a shack, a station-wagon and a table covered with glassware. Only the window on the shack broke. Everything else, even the delicate wine glasses, were completely unharmed.
    >> Alpha_1 04/17/10(Sat)00:20 No.9241625
    F-16's were being sold to NATO partners as early as 1979, could be he whisked one away in transit or the like.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:21 No.9241639

    >best fighter of the war

    awful lot of derpage in here
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:23 No.9241670
    And as you mentioned, one of the things they couldn't replace was men.

    We could replace every ship we lost, and their entire crews if necessary. The Japanese couldn't. Bravery stops being useful when the other guys are about as brave and can just throw lives and bullets at you until all of your men are dead.

    Also, what we did to their merchant marine makes Doenitz's U-boat captains look like amateurs. Especially once the Navy finally got its head out of its ass and admitted that the torpedoes we started the war with were useless piles of shit, letting us replace them with ones that actually worked.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:24 No.9241689
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    ... is that Charlie's? It certainly wasn't a hornet in the original work.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:24 No.9241696
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    >best fighter of the war
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:25 No.9241715
    Is he in the Phantom or the Draken in that picture?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:25 No.9241719
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    One thing I'd like to add to your point is that while they had the best pilots, and the most heavily-armed aircraft, the philosophy of combat is what eventually lead to their downfall. The IJA (and to a lesser extent IJN) emphasized the pilot as the modern samurai; a singular force of nature who would cut down unwitting foes one after another. The armed forces strongly supported a cult of personality to create national heroes out of aces.

    The American pilots, on the other hand, were trained to fight only as a unit whenever possible. Formations were designed for mutual defense and support, and you wouldn't go off on your own to hunt for Japs, because they'd cut you down.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/17/10(Sat)00:26 No.9241726
    We only raped their merchant marine so badly because they never really figured out the idea behind convoys. Of course convoy's would have been useless to them because they never had the escorts to spare so...yeah.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:26 No.9241739
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    Yeah, its Charlie. Funny how he goes out in the OVA. Though I don't really think a birdstrike would break a canopy like that, would it?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:28 No.9241771

    The Jug and Bear could deal and take much more punishment.
    The Yak could out turn it.
    The -262 and probably the Butcher Bird could outrun it.

    The Mustang was still the best all-around fighter, 6 .50's, fast, long range, could turn on a dime. I personally prefer the Jug and the Typhoon, air-to-mud is the bomb, but I stand by that claim.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)00:30 No.9241823
    Hugs ducked back down, and a few of the missiles lost tone, but one launchers angle was such that it managed to maintain a lock, keeping two missiles heading in towards the chaff dispensing Flanker. As a last ditch measure, he flipped his jammer on as did Scotch. That seemed to do the trick, since the missiles suddenly spiralled out, passing over Hugs without detonating. It did however cause the anti-aircraft fire to shift again, pulling back towards us. To make matters worse, the enemy aircraft had evaded the Alamos and was heading back towards us, popping a few flares as he did, I guess Hugs had at least scared him. We crossed out of the city, heading north towards the reservoirs, leaving the hellish triple-AAA behind us, but still staying low, as the Crotales were still hunting. And then Scotch hurled back on his stick, rocketing his MiG up into the sky, sitting on a pillar of flame.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:31 No.9241833
    Phantom. Shin's in the draken. By that point, he'd totalled his crusader, a Kfir, and an F-5 already as far as I can remember.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:32 No.9241842
    I counter your Mustang with the Hawker Tempest.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:32 No.9241846
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    And how far into the manga is that? I mean, I thought him losing an F-8 and F-5 halfway into the OVA was bad...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:32 No.9241858

    They did have a few, mostly Tokyo Express to Guadalcanal and Kokoda, but they kept getting raped by Aussie Catalinas and American Mitchells. Probably put them off in the same way the Greece assault put the Germans off using paratroopers.

    Also, 'Thach Weave". Scared the living shit out of one Jap Ace who was caught in it near Guadalcanal.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:33 No.9241870
    Yes, it can.

    In fact early F-16s were lost due to a problem with the single bubble canopy. When the duck hit them, they warped, sending a waveform into the pilots head, knocking them unconscious or dead.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:34 No.9241872
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    Looks like it might crack the canopy... but not punch through it like it shows in the cartoon.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:34 No.9241877
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    ... This will either end badly or awesomely.

    Either way, F5'ing like a motherfucker
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:34 No.9241881

    Spitfire XIV

    Faster, superior turn, superior rate of roll, superior climb, superior armament.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:34 No.9241887
    If the mustang really was the best plane of the war, then I gotta say the yanks got yellow-livered nincompoops on the manpower department.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:36 No.9241909
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    Oh awesome, though probably just coincidence. In this case the bird bounced off, causing the canopy to fracture then collapse inward, Charlie, foolishly flying with his visor up, got a face full of glass shards and lost control.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:36 No.9241916
    The only plane that scared the German ME-262 ace was the spitfire!
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/17/10(Sat)00:36 No.9241923
    They had a lot of Destroyers, just none that they could spare for such trifling things like escort service. A destroyer stationed at Rabaul had an average life expectancy of about three months. And they weren't aussie catalinas, they were US crews that cycled through assuie-land on their way to the theater.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:37 No.9241931
    >What I find funny is not one Eastern fighter at Area 88. Though the Aslan rebel Air Force seems to use the MiG-21 as it's primary fighter and the enemy mercenary group that showed up were flying MiG-27Ds.

    Enemy merc group? That's not the series, right? Where the hell can you watch the OVAs anyway?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:38 No.9241961
    Saburō Sakai, the famous Japanese ace, relates their reaction to the Thach Weave when they encountered Guadalcanal Wildcats using it:[1]

    For the first time Lt. Commander Tadashi Nakajima encountered what was to become a famous double-team maneuver on the part of the enemy. Two Wildcats jumped on the commander’s plane. He had no trouble in getting on the tail of an enemy fighter, but never had a chance to fire before the Grumman’s team-mate roared at him from the side. Nakajima was raging when he got back to Rabaul; he had been forced to dive and run for safety.

    The maneuver was so effective that it was used by American pilots during the Vietnam war, and is still an applicable tactic today.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:39 No.9241966
    >To make matters worse, the enemy aircraft had evaded the Alamos and was heading back towards us, popping a few flares as he did

    I smell an enemy ace.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:39 No.9241982
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    Also the P-51, but that was mainly because the 51 pilots would ambush 262s on landing approach. Back in those days you couldn't just slam the turbine throttle around, or the engines would self-destruct.

    Pic unrelated.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:40 No.9241987
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    I have no idea if the WolfPack shows up in the 2004 anime. Here are the same links /m/ gave me.

    80s OVA - http://www.bakabt.com/149697-area-88-xvid-blitz.html
    2004 TV - http://www.bakabt.com/149872-area-88-2004-blitz.html
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:40 No.9241991
    Funny, but that's in chapter 13, volume 2, I think.

    The whole thing ran for 23 volumes. I've read only the first 2. My god, I wonder how many birds he trashed before it ended.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)00:43 No.9242038
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    Too bad for him too, when he lost his Crusader he was within thousands of dollars of his 1.5million contract buyout and going back home.

    Though what the fuck, in what world do they live in that one can get an F-5E for $500,000? The prices in Area 88 are wonky.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:44 No.9242063

    Flak, has a story about an Aussie stationed in Port Moresby, flying the Cat's on patrols and the occasional bombing mission to Truk and Rabual.

    Then the Japs started saying the Americans were cowards for these attacks, leading to the Aussie War Minister going on the radio saying it was actually Aussies flying out of PNG.

    That morning, there were 9 Catalina flying boats. The next night, there was one.... Loose lips sink flying incarnates of death.

    Incidentally, he was also on the crew of the Cat that spotted the convoy that was raped in the Bismarck Sea. They tried a torp run, the torps failed, they ran like hell and let the Beauforts and Fortresses take them on.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:44 No.9242070
    >implying it wasn't
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:45 No.9242079
    They don't show up in the 2004 anime.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:46 No.9242114
    I'd let it off as CIA discount. Getting stuck on the details would be bad for immersion.
    >> Skyhawk !c6DO1M4BMw 04/17/10(Sat)00:47 No.9242121
    I haven't heard about any aussie cats...only the US Blackcat squadrons. News to me I guess.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:48 No.9242146
    You mean to say, "the german 262 aces were scared of running out of Spitfires to shoot", don't you?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:52 No.9242203

    Just checked them out (gogo Wiki skillzors)

    Spitfire wins for firepower and speed
    Mustang wins for operational range

    1-on-1 fight, not worrying about fuel concerns, yeah I'd back the pom. Plus the only reason the Mustang didn't end up a piece of shit is because someone from the UK decided to slap one of their engines onto it. End result was quite win.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:53 No.9242224
    Nope. The 262 could outrun anything. But in a turning fight, its superior speed actually fucks it compared to the best of the prop planes at the time.

    There's also the little issues of "the engines were maintenance nightmares that had a habit of catching fire", "most of the good pilots are dead and we don't have enough fuel to train replacements", and "runways that jets can take off from are visibly longer than runways for prop planes and were repeatedly bombed to shit".
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)00:54 No.9242234
    Hugs also began a climb to assist Scotch, making it a two on one engagement. Scotch couldn't get a lock, and then I realized why and handed him the weapon sheet, pointing to the missiles he had. They couldn't lock from the front aspect. The front of the Mirage blossomed in fire as it launched two missiles at Scotch. Hugs was about to launch two of his multi-aspect heat seekers, but then he got locked on by a lone Crotale, and he was again dodging and jinking through the air as the rocket powered death reached out towards the massive Flanker. Hugs was yelling at all of us at this point, asking loudly why we hadn't brought any anti-radar missiles with us. Based on the situation, I can't say I blamed him. I figured Scotch would try to evade the two missiles headed at him. He didn't, he just said “I've lost two planes already, I'm not losing a third. Switching to guns.”
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:54 No.9242235

    Also had to be built of concrete, since ones using bitumen sorta melted from the jet exhaust...
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:54 No.9242250
    On the other hand, the P-51 would be a great way to troll the Japanese.

    "Hey, about your Zero? We just made a plane that also has obscene range for a fighter, and didn't have to turn it into a pile of shit in most other ways to do it!"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)00:58 No.9242314

    I endorse this plan.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:02 No.9242377
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    >“I've lost two planes already, I'm not losing a third. Switching to guns.”

    Ballsy. Now is he gonna do what I'm worrying he is gonna do?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:02 No.9242383
    Head on pass against a fighter that already has two missiles in the air?

    That would appear to be the case.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:04 No.9242406
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    That would be ballsy.

    The really CRAZY thing I'm worried about is trying to shoot missiles out of the air. (oh please let it me just being really silly, that sort of thing doesn't work in real life)
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:05 No.9242420
    It works with slower cruise missiles.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)01:07 No.9242452
    Scotch popped flares, and then simply raced towards the missiles and enemy fighter, staring down the missiles, seeming to dare them to hit him. Maybe it was the flares, maybe it was the head on angle, but the missiles raced past Scotch's Flogger, disappearing into the night sky. Scotch didn't even blink, holding down the trigger, gouts of flame pouring from the GsH-23L twin-barreled cannon. Despite the hard angle, he still landed four hits, enough to severely cripple the enemy plane. The enemy tried a short shot, but only landed a single hit before the blew past each other at over 1500 miles per hour closure. Hugs had successfully evaded the Crotale again, and was trying to get into position to engage, but Scotch told him no, “This one is mine, go help the others” as he banked around to get at the enemy fighter which was heading towards the city. The rest of us were just approaching the reservoir at that point, and had spread out for our run, between the three of us we could cover it in one pass.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:08 No.9242460
    It might also have something to do with some of the workers in the plants used to make the engines fucking sabotaged them every chance they got.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:10 No.9242495
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    Shit just got real

    Scotch is now my personal liege.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:10 No.9242499

    ...holy christ, that man must need a separate plane for his testicles.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:13 No.9242529
    He's actually playing to the mercenary character right now, he's nearly bankrupt, he needs a kill to boost his account, and he's lost one plane, the others so badly beat up he was forced to buy a third. He's flying on desperate, adopting the David Farragut style of aerial warfare.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:16 No.9242570
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    Still takes balls.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:17 No.9242588

    ...and? The man just flew a plane head-on between two vessels and straight at another plane with guns blazing.

    Damn the circumstances, that's still fucking ballsy.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/17/10(Sat)01:17 No.9242592
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    Goddammit Hugs! You have the sexiest/deadliest bird in the sky!

    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:17 No.9242599

    ...between two vessels? wtf fingers

    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:18 No.9242615

    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/17/10(Sat)01:20 No.9242648
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    The Farragut reference rearing its head?

    @OP: This thread has had it's usual effect on me. I am now making popcorn and hitting F5.
    >> planefag 04/17/10(Sat)01:22 No.9242668
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    Just got back from an interview/bull session.

    >He didn't, he just said “I've lost two planes already, I'm not losing a third. Switching to guns.”

    Pic HIGHLY related.


    My thoughts exactly.


    >fly an i-16

    Damn tootin. The I-16 was awesome. It could hold it's own against Bf-109s and against that goddamn Ki-27 it was more then good. Hell, the Gladiator could hold it's own against the Ki-27- slower, yes, but they could climb and turn in ways a monoplane just couldn't follow.


    This man has it. Many japanese pilots removed their radios to save a few hundred pounds of weight. They basically relied on combat dissolving into 1v1 melee.

    Honestly, US fighters in 1941 were perfectly capable of kicking the shit out of Japanese Zeros. Neither the P-40 or the F4F could climb worth a damn, but they had twice the roll rate, making them kings in scissor maneuvers and the like. The P-40 could match the Zero in speed. Both of them were far more durable and had comparable firepower, but with longer reach and better fire duration (Japanese 20mm cannons were light, but had crap reach and 60 round drums.)

    And the Brewster- usually called the "worst fighter in history-" was the only fighter in the US arsenal with a power/weight ratio good enough it could keep with a Zero in the vertical long enough to fuck it. That was the F2A-2. The F2A-3 was hopeless (tons of extra weight.)


    >Spitfire wins for firepower and speed


    Bullshit. Which models? If you're comparing with the Spit 14, you'd better be comparing it against a P-51K or later.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:24 No.9242718
    Goddamn, a Gauntlet run through ack ack, missile evasions, street level flying, head to head gun passes, supersonicbomb runs.

    This mission is piling on the fucking win!

    And we NEED drawfaggotry!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:25 No.9242726
    These russian missions seem to be a bit more intense than the African adventures. Even the run in with the brits.
    >> planefag 04/17/10(Sat)01:28 No.9242773

    >a bit more intense

    "Hey guys, we want you to make a low-level bombing run by going over a city crawling with SAMs, triple-A, and with hostile BARCAP just waiting for your ass."

    "And no, we don't have any solid data on what's out there. And if you can make a low-level recon pass on an enemy airfield that'll be crawling with radar-directed guns, and ALSO bomb this commo tower, that'd be swell."

    Fucking Russians.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:29 No.9242782
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    This is as best a place as any to ask...

    What's up with the triangles panted on the wings/tail of the Kfirs? I've seen them on real life ones and some miniatures too.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:30 No.9242794
    But hey, all the cold beat soup you could want.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:30 No.9242795
    you know eventually the Russians are going to tell blackflag to "GET A FUCKING PHOTO OF THAT GOD DAMN AIRFIELD" eventually. Should have done it on the first mission when they were the least prepared.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:31 No.9242816

    fuck them very much. they can divert a fucking satellite.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:32 No.9242845
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    Scotch is pretty daring considering he's already at half mast with a death flag.

    Nonetheless I must approve.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)01:33 No.9242851
    We came in just above the treetops, racing over the pools, pickling our weapons. I unfortunately got a fault, causing all my air to ground weapons to deploy, I still hit my target, but in addition to the chemical agent, I also sent two of the IED simulators into the reservoir, with predicatable fountains of water from their detonations. Sandy had no problems, Judge missed his reservoir, sending his weapons short of the desired hit location. It was a nearly impossible miss too, since he was aiming for a lake, but they still landed short apparently. Now came the hard part, we had to turn around, but were essentially travelling down a valley. We decided to come around to the east, bypassing the town for our exit out of the area, and staying away from the AWACS plane as much as possible, it was further out than 80 miles, but since we were all running with our radars down we didn't know more than that. Scotch had already completed a turn, and was closing in on the wounded Mirage. He finally had a good look at it, and realized it was a Kfir, it didn't matter much to him though, he fired a burst, scoring a multitude of hits, enough to finish off the aircraft, which lost a wing and began tumbling from the sky as it broke up. There was an ejection, but Scotch was already turning away from the city to join up with us as was Hugs. We figured it would be a quick dash to the southeast to exit Georgia. And then more markers started showing up, a single air search radar active, moving, climbing off waypoint Baker.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/17/10(Sat)01:35 No.9242870
    As dumb as it sounds, it is to prevent friendly fire incidents.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:39 No.9242919
    >And then more markers started showing up, a single air search radar active, moving, climbing off waypoint Baker.

    Well, at least you know the airfield is active, and military.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:39 No.9242929
    Don't forget angry and not very friendly.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:40 No.9242937

    Team colors.

    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:41 No.9242945
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    Huh... makes sense I guess.


    Hah, poor Kfir. Tough not as messy as this Kfir kill.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:41 No.9242954
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    A single search radar huh? Given the situation I'd think a boss battle was about to happen.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:43 No.9242971
    Enemy Approaching!
    Detected: F-22A Raptor "RapeFace"!
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:43 No.9242979
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    Never know, could be a whole bunch with only one flying active as eyes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:46 No.9243026
    As we crested the hill of the Valley, the AWAACs finally connected with us, but we dipped back down, it lost a strong lock, so we were safe for now. Unfortunately, we were out of escape options, we were carrying enough speed to make a run, but passing over the airfield seemed like a bad idea, and pushing further to the east would take more time. The fastest route, unfortunately, was back through the city, and all the ground fire. We decided to risk it, as much as we didn't want to do it again. Hugs and Scotch moved to the left side of our flight, and we began pushing our speed back up, heading towards the city, sporadic tracers whizzing into the air from its streets. Hugs was busy, as was Judge, trying to get a solid track on the airborne target, when another one appeared, also apparently off the airfield at Baker.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)01:47 No.9243034
    Forgot my trip
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:47 No.9243035
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    Could be a whole enemy ace flight.

    Shame they don't got a AWACs or somebody to call it out. Always nice to know whose ass your kicking.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:48 No.9243057
    Or who you're running the hell away from.

    It would suck if it turned out to be another Black Flag wing.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)01:49 No.9243082
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    I would think Black Flag would avoid stationing units with different nations in the same general area.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:50 No.9243093
    Well OP's wing probably wasn't their favorite so they could have just sold them off to the russians. It's not like they've had any contact with the parent company that we know of.

    Still probably not the case though.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:51 No.9243095
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    I will just leave this here.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)01:53 No.9243139
    I just finished reading all the missions, this shit is amazing!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:00 No.9243244
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    Sexy Mig (and woman) bump
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)02:01 No.9243260
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    Thread hardly needs a bump after 6 minutes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:02 No.9243272
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    True, but I really wanted to post that picture
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:04 No.9243302
    We all switched on our jammers, since there was no real point in hiding our exact position, we just wanted to make it out of here with most of our aircraft in one piece. My backseat called and said the contacts radar looked like it was from an F-104. Another token was placed on the airfield as yet another aircraft was climbing out. We crossed the city limits, barreling through the anti-aircraft fire again. Sandy turned, and headed toward a tracer series, and dumped all his IED simulators as he blazed past, two low and fast for them to hit him. From the cloud of orange fire that burst from the street, it was obvious that at least one of his weapons found its target. By this time there were four targets off the airfield, with another placed on the board as we pushed past the city center, taking hits from Crotale radars and the starfighter's occasionally.
    >> planefag 04/17/10(Sat)02:05 No.9243308

    Just looked into this a bit more, hit up wwiiaircraftperformance.net to see what I could see, and lo and behold they don't have any god damned test data for the D model, which figures. the Spit 14 was first delivered in mid-late '43 but didn't show up in numbers till perhaps mid-44, but that's still a year overlap with the D Mustang so I guess that's a more fair comparison.



    Hard-to-read P-51B chart puts it's speed at roughly 440 MPH at 25k.

    Spit 14 is 448 MPH at 26K:


    Now consider that the D mustang was faster then the B Mustang...

    I don't recall off the top of my head what manifold pressures equate what with these ships, so I can't say if one of them was using WEP and the other was not. And the big problem is that the Mustang carried 8 hours worth of fuel internally, whereas the Spit had but one. So aircraft weight factors in heavily, and none of these period testing charts note the weight of the aircraft at time of test.

    Still, considering that the B stang is put at 435-440 at 25k, and the H stang at 475 at 25k (insane, yes,) I'd peg the D at 450-460. Which is where it should be. I've seen some books consistently stick it at that 437 figure, I wonder where the hell they get that from.

    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:16 No.9243467
    Hmm. The Russians are going to have to bend over backwards to convince anyone that there were no hostile air assets out during the mission, let alone Russians.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:17 No.9243473
    Well an F-18 would look rather out of place if it was a Russian operation.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)02:18 No.9243492
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    I don't think it matters at this point.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:19 No.9243498
    Our flight kept going, each of us trying to get to our maximum speed, in a hard sprint for the border. The Starfighters were having a tough time tracking us, but they did angle towards us, and it became apparent we were going to end up in a tail chase scenario. A sixth plane departed, and like the fifth had a different radar sig then the other four. It was quickly apparent that these new planes were advanced fighters, they had much bigger radars then the starfighters. Our hopes dropped even further when a seventh plane appeared off of Baker. And then Sandy took fire, getting hit with AA. It was only a few minor hits, but because he was at such low altitude he had to make a roll. He failed, his Fencer losing stability long enough to blast it's way through a low rise building, ending Sandman's life in a blaze of fire. It all took us by surprise, since once he'd survived the anti aircraft, we figured he was in the clear. To make matters worse, an eighth plane had come off the runway, and Hugs RIO had narrowed it down to F-16s, so we were being chased by eight fighters, four relics and four modern warplanes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:20 No.9243509
    This is one fucked up op, uh, OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:21 No.9243519

    Sandman killed by a building? FUCK NO! That's not fucking fair!
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)02:21 No.9243523
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    >He failed, his Fencer losing stability long enough to blast it's way through a low rise building, ending Sandman's life in a blaze of fire

    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:21 No.9243524
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:22 No.9243536
    Eight vs Four.

    Yeah, I don't see this ending well for anyone on your side.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:22 No.9243538
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    It may be in OP's best interests to distance themselves from the russians, it seems like they're just sending OP's wing into the meat grinder against some well equipped mercenarty wing.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:25 No.9243573
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    >He failed, his Fencer losing stability long enough to blast it's way through a low rise building, ending Sandman's life in a blaze of fire

    I feel unclean.
    and robbed.
    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:25 No.9243581
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:27 No.9243602
    But they probably would have had OP bomb some Tibetans and then ambush them on a return and claim that they killed a group of airborne terrorists.
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    ... yeah, somehow this mission's starting to look worse by the moment. But then again, you're all playing with death to begin with.

    I'd wager in the end it's going to be Baron flying with a wing of strangers who keep dropping one by one, getting replaced by new, hopeful fools.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:30 No.9243655
    We continued our flight towards the border, leaving the city behind us as we pushed further east. The F-104s were slowly gaining on us, but none had taken a shot yet, the F-16s weren't catching up, but holding their distance. We were more worried about the Falcons, since we knew they probably had BVR stuff, the F-104s apparently didn't or were not getting locks with them. We crossed the border a good 25 miles ahead of the F-104s, but we realized (late) that they didn't seem intent on stopping, and shortly after, crossed into Azerbaijan, still closing on us. We were now in serious crap, we didn't want to engage, since turning would put us close to the F-104s, and let the Falcons catch up, but at the same time, leading them back to the base wouldn't be a smart idea, we decided to turn straight east, putting as much distance between the Falcons and us as we could. Then Judge picked up aircraft to the north, closing on our position at high speed. He tracked three, but a quick scan aided by Hugs showed that there was a good 12 aircraft heading south towards us. We started wondering if we should broadcast a surrender on an open frequency, when the targets north of us opened fire.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:33 No.9243690
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    This will either be Russians being bros, or Russians being double crossing fucks.
    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:34 No.9243700
    Well, hopefully it'll be reinforcements shooting at your pursuers. Either that or Steve is not so tactfully ending this campaign.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:36 No.9243724
    It would be completely unsurprising for the Russians to "end the contract" now. I hope that's not the case though.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)02:36 No.9243726
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    I'd say odds are 50/50.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:37 No.9243741

    "Keep up the smash, we're almost clear."
    "Hugs has contacts.... SHIT, dozen contacts to the north."
    *Baron looks up, sees a swarm of missiles coming straight for them...*
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:37 No.9243753
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    >being chased by eight fighters

    >12 aircraft heading south towards us from the north.

    >then the guys to the north opened fire.

    Well, here's to hoping that that's backup. Otherwise you're probably going to be rerolling a new squadron on a new continent.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:38 No.9243766

    *... And they fly past the mercs and slam into the pursuit craft*
    "... The fuck was that? Hang on, transmission on GUARD..."
    "*kssshhhhh*oes that make us?"
    "Big damn heroes sir."
    "Aint we just."
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:39 No.9243771
    The missiles raced towards us, but headed for the starfighters behind, destroying them to a man, a series of small fireballs marking their ends. We got a transmission at this point, from a Russian sounding voice, calling in with our mission code name, and directing us to land at a field in the Russian controlled territory. The planes north of us had turned to go at the Falcons, and lit off their radars, showing them to be a mix of Flankers and Fulcrums. They quickly rippled off more missiles, again, punishing the falcons, who's radar signals disappeared one by one. We slowed, and climbed some more, as the (apparently) Russian squadron rounded on us, forming up around our tired warbirds. Our RWRs were going wild, and as we headed to the Russian airstrip, we flipped on our own radars, seeing dozens of planes heading into Georgia. We landed without incident, and taxied as instructed to covered hangars before shutting down.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:42 No.9243820
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    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:42 No.9243827

    And I was expecting a repeat of the 8492nd incident....
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:42 No.9243829
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    Good(ish) end!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:44 No.9243849

    Scotch is damaged, Hugs is pissed, the mission was 50% completed, Sandy is dead...

    But they're mostly alive, and that merc group seems to have been KIA'd by the Ruskies.

    A++++ thread, OP, would read again.
    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:44 No.9243854
    So now that Russia is at war with Georgia, does this mean that OP's contract will be severed? Or will they be fed into the meat grinder of the war?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:45 No.9243868
    FUCK YEAH 8942nd!
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)02:45 No.9243871
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    Not for Sandman... not for Sandman...

    One thing of many I'm loving. They punch out when their parachutes fail or by slamming into buildings, no heroic badass deaths, no awesome final moments. Just cold brutal reality.

    Farewell, Sandy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:47 No.9243901

    "Sandy's dead."
    "Yeah man, I heard."
    "Shit man...."
    "Shotgun the Aardvark!"
    "Bastard, I wanted it!"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:50 No.9243939
    Fuck yes! But now you have to thank the Russian pilots. Buy them vodka. Lots of vodka.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:51 No.9243968
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    I don't remember exactly how the next bit went, so I'll try my best to paraphrase what Steve said. As we climbed out of our planes, we were met by our handler, who told us that thanks to us, the pacification of Georgia's corrupt and unstable regime would be accomplished without outside interference in 'Russian Affairs'. The FSB would ensure that stories of Georgia's internal collapse, from it's problem with domestic terrorism, to it's aggresive violation of neighboring airspace, in this case Azerbaijan, would paint the picture of a despotic regime struggling to maintain power at the expense of its population. The recent food shortages, and the 'appalling' intestinal disease sweeping the country, especially the capital, were just further proof of this neglect. (Apparently the Russians had lied about the compound in the canisters, it was fatal, to a segment of the population, particularly the elderly and the very young) The final master stroke was our dragging of the PMC into Azerbaijani airspace, and 'cleaned' tapes would show an unprovoked intrusion, followed up by the Russian craft responding in accordance with Commonwealth of In dependant States joint security treaties, to interdict the offending aircraft. As we were talking, a full scale airborne invasion was underway, utilizing the darkened skies and riots in the streets as cover. And that is where we ended, with Georgia in flames, us in a cold hangar in russia, being offered Vodka by the most cold hearted son of a bitch we'd met so far.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:53 No.9243992

    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:54 No.9244001
    First war crimes, now a full on goddamn war?

    Your flight seems to be moving up in the world.
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)02:54 No.9244002
    No, it just seemed the most appropriate photo.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:54 No.9244005

    .... Fucking Jesus, OP, what have you wrought?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:55 No.9244020

    Next stop is contract work in the Middle East, where after 2 missions they accidentally the Persian oil fields.
    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:55 No.9244026
    Yeah, OP, your squadron might want to find a new country to work for. One that doesn't tend to lie through it's teeth to everyone, all of the time.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/17/10(Sat)02:55 No.9244034
    *starts a slow clap*

    4 Syllable Damn.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)02:56 No.9244056

    Cause China totally would've fit the bill, right?
    >> WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot !!WgWcz5V3TdQ 04/17/10(Sat)02:59 No.9244089
    Point taken. But is there any country that isn't Russia or China that's hiring?
    >> op again !XQ6W0CNp/o 04/17/10(Sat)03:02 No.9244134
    Air Kills
    Hugs: MiG-21
    Scotch: Kfir
    Air Incidentals: None
    Ground Kills
    Sandman: ZSU-23
    Ground Incidentals
    Sandman: Furniture Warehouse/Factory, Bakery, Butcher Shop
    Damage Taken
    Sandman: Catastrophic, KIA
    Scotch: Minor

    I'm off to bed, g'night guys, fun as always.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)03:03 No.9244141

    Not immediately after sinking the Queen Victoria. Though maybe now. Successfully instigating a war has to look good on their resume.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)03:05 No.9244176
    Night OP. Great thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/10(Sat)03:09 No.9244239
    It is recommendable to be polite and professional towards the cold-hearted bastard. He might be the next president. Or prime minister. Or both.
    >> Air Action Weekly 04/17/10(Sat)03:13 No.9244287
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    Area 88's theme seems appropriate for this

    >How far the journey to the end of my soul?

    You're going to hell Baron.
    >> sukhoi !KJHro3/ISM 04/17/10(Sat)03:20 No.9244391
    Epic op, epic. As always, I am in awe of this campaign.

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