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    211 KB Nazis vs. Drow Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:47 No.9921994  
    The year is 1942. Nazi forces are marching across Europe, when Hitler's interest in the occult finally pays off. His forces find a mysterious book full of spells that actually work.

    Utilizing this book, his men open up a portal to a vast underground world. They find a huge cavern, large enough (and with sufficient resources) to house a million people, inhabited by dragons. There is a vast underground lake, with fish. Rothe herds, and vast fields of edible mushrooms.

    The cavern is also only three day's journey from Menzoberranzan.

    As the years go on, Hitler's men eventually manage to clear out the native dragons using modern weaponry. He then proceeds to move 10,000 of his best men (and their families) through the portal to establish a colony there. Men moved through are reported dead in the war, and no longer legally exist in the "real world".

    Roll around 1945. April 30th. Hitler realizes the game is up. He's lost. He arranges for a body double of him and Eva to be found at the shelter, then hops out through the portal, to take over his colony. Although the Nazi's have failed at home, they are determined not to fail here.

    The Nazi's have all the basic items a 1940's German city of 30,000 people might have, plus all the military equipment that would normally be given to a group of 10,000 soldiers.

    The spellbook they have teaches up to 4th level spells, and a special "Interdimensional Gate" spell. They have decided not to return home. There will be no resupply through the portal. They cannot risk discovery. From now on, everything will have to be produced locally.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:48 No.9922008
    The naturally grown food in the cavern can support up to a million people.

    Shortly thereafter, they encounter the first Drow in the tunnels outside their city. Hitler has decided they are an inferior race to be exterminated.

    The Drow are told by Lloth that the Nazi's are a great danger, and they are to be exterminated, by any means necessary, by her order.

    At this point in the timeline, Drizzt has only just been born.

    Battle of the racists: Will the Nazi soldiers triumph, or will the Drow remain the racist rulers of the underdark uncontested?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:49 No.9922018
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:50 No.9922035
    W T F?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:51 No.9922062
    For information purposes, the Nazis have the following spellcasters:

    They have the following:
    Four lvl. 8 Mages.
    Eight lvl 7 Mages.
    Twelve lvl 6 Mages.
    Sixteen lvl 5 Mages.
    Thirty Level 4 Mages.
    Fourty level 3 Mages.
    Fifty level 2 Mages.
    Sixty level 1 Mages.

    Blame the fast acceleration of levels on having a really good book and also drawing out the best minds in Germany, along with some unethical shortcuts.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:52 No.9922068

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:52 No.9922079
    Epic shit!

    Well, guns beats swords last time i checked... Well, except from magical swords... Shit is hard...
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:53 No.9922088
    you say they cleared out the native dragons, so why would the drow be any harder? they know magic, plus have armor and artillery, on top of fully automatic firearms. any enemy spellcasters would be easily picked off by sniping, warbeasts would promplty eat 88mm shells, and infantry would get mowed down by machinegun nests.

    it may not be FLAWLESS VICTORY, but i'd say the nazis have a pretty massive edge
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:53 No.9922103
    I don't think humans are optimized for permanent cavern life. Also - no factories of hi-tech weapon systems.

    I'll go with Drow.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:54 No.9922112
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:54 No.9922114

    Heinrich Bergmann cancels store item in furnace, interrupted by Drow.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:54 No.9922116
    By the way, something I wrote up when I originally conceived of the idea.

    *Umber Hulk bursts through a wall*
    Es ist ein Insekt Ungeheuer!

    Ach! Es getötet Franz! Es ist zu verbergen ist immun gegen Kugeln! Feuer! Feuer!

    Gehen Sie für die Augen, Hans! Gehen Sie für die Augen!
    *Umber Hulk falls down dead, it's brain full of bullets*

    Oh hey, gearbeitet,. Nun, ich erinnere mich, dass wir, wenn wir jemals in eines dieser erneut auszuführen.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:54 No.9922129
    GERMANS vs the Drow?

    Tear gas, artillery, MACHINE GUNS, grenades, and MAGIC?

    Can you imagine the bloodbath?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:55 No.9922138
    with no supply chain that ammo is worth it's weight in platinum
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:56 No.9922155
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    this is bunk, everyone knows where the Nazis really went after 1945.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:57 No.9922184
    They cleared out the dragons when they had the full power of Nazi Germany at their backs.

    Right now, there's just 10,000 of them. They have factories to make sure they don't run out of stuff, but that's all they've got, their stores aside.

    Also, fighting in the underdark itself is different than fighting in a single gigantic cavern. It's close quarters - just what melee using drow would need.

    Also, the Nazi's may have magic, but they aren't used to using it yet - and at least one scouting party will probably get slaughtered by an ambush from invisible drow warriors at some point.

    Not to mention, it's hard to aim a gun with a globe of darkness covering your face - or flashlight.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:57 No.9922186
    You've put a lot of thought into this, haven't you?

    Can the Nazi have a corp of men trained like Kronen in the Hellboy movie? Imagine that guys under the effects of a haste spell!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:57 No.9922191
    Does Prot. from Normal Missiles stop bullets?

    Even if it doesn't, the Drow would rape the Nazis. They've got shittons of spellcasters, can see in the dark, familiarity with the terrain, and a goddess on their side.

    Gun blasts would blind anyone firing them, not to mention deafening them in an enclosed space. Poisoned crossbow quarrels would be more effective and stealthy, and every bit as lethal.

    In close confines, the Drow's proficiency with melee combat would be a huge advantage.

    Tl: DR; Nazis get raped.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:58 No.9922211

    Loling so hard right now. Babelfish German is the best German.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)16:59 No.9922217
    Their population consists primarily of the elite of Germany - their best scientists, their best soldiers, and their families.

    Some are trained in magic, but as this starts they haven't really got integrated magical "combined arms tactics" other than putting mages in with patrols and squads on missions of importance.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:01 No.9922265
    The Drow probably wouldn't launch a frontal assault; they'd just divert a vent of poisonous gas into the Nazi cavern. Which I guess could be considered ironic?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:01 No.9922275
    sup cypress_z
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:02 No.9922295
    hahahah drowtales.

    We all know the truth: The drow would manipulate the nazis topside, and then let them exterminate the rest of the world save about a third of humanity. Then the Drow kill what's left.

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:02 No.9922296
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    >can see in the dark
    Fixed that for you! Flash supressors are as old as guns themselves, too. Germans had the ability to put nightvision on most of their tanks, too. Plus, the Nazis have spellcasters already, and they already cleared the Dragons. Soo...Drow aren't going to be much of a problem.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:03 No.9922310
    No. It does in D20 modern, but FUCK D20 modern.

    Anyway, remember that each time a rifle is fired, there is a blinding (for the drow) flash of light and a loud noise. Every gunshot is almost a flashbang.

    Speaking of which, the nazis will have flashbangs too.

    They'll also have poison gas of their own, since
    Brought it up - and they have gasmasks.

    They also have first generation low light vision goggles.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:04 No.9922317
    Nazi's would be best to try to make it to the surface asap. Underdark is not good for humans anyways... especially ones from the 1940's.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:04 No.9922322
    Horses freak out under the cacophony of gunfire.

    Elves have superior hearing, and eyes more sensitive than light.

    ALL of the drow would be permanently blind 10 minutes into the engagement, I wager, as well as nearly deaf and oh so terrified.
    >> Brightfag !q5IKslw/Lo 05/19/10(Wed)17:04 No.9922323
    Sup. Now back to being anonymous.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:07 No.9922361
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    Nazis have Darkvision AND guns.
    In fact, their Darkvision is PART of their guns.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:07 No.9922375

    >light sensitivity


    Drow are screwed
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:10 No.9922425
    First step: Pave the place.

    We're Humans, we don't give a flying fuck about nature. If it's in the way we'll shoot it and pave it over.

    It's only the Elfs who are stupid enough to not kill everything and reengineer their enviroment into a place that's actually habitable.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:11 No.9922441
    Hell, they could just put reflective cones on the end of their guns. Directs the flash away from the firer, at the targets. Blind them, and the next guy can sight based on the stop-motion light up he saw.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:12 No.9922457
    Drilling is an entirely viable option. It has logistical issues, but it IS valid.

    If the Nazis manage to build a road straight to Menzo through the underdark, resupply of their forward units will be effortless, and I have no doubt they will win.

    However, if the drow can maintain guerrilla attacks of sufficient strength and regularity that the nazis are unable to complete strong supply lines, the Drow can start attacking their city cavern and may possibly win.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:17 No.9922530
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    >Nazis with magic
    >Animate dead
    >Nazi Zombies
    >My face
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:18 No.9922561
    horribe movie though, sadly.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:19 No.9922575
    What are the Mind Flayers doing at this point? I think the whole thing depends on with whom they ally.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:19 No.9922584
    Do they have access to vitamin D, u'know cause of being underground and not therefore seeing the sun
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:19 No.9922586

    That would could temporarily blind/deafen a human (underground/dark setting). Drow's increased senses would be their downfall there.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:21 No.9922608
    I can not see the Drow winning this.

    Nazi's are smart, dangerous, cunning and very very creative when it comes to the killing.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:22 No.9922629

    And efficient.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:22 No.9922635
    All of those can be said about the drow. Also, doesn't Menzobaramalamadingdong have like a billion people, most of whom are warriors, mages, and Clerics?

    Also, Drow have Clerics. They win.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:23 No.9922648
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    Op here. The other races are officially neutral, although either the Nazis or the Drow can sway them over to their side.

    The Mind Flayers HAVE sent an "adviser" to hitler, however, so you can all have the incredibly cool mental image of an illithid in a nazi uniform.
    You think about it too hard.

    Look, humans survive in menzo without sunlight. Clearly, the mushrooms that give off light in the underdark also give off weak UV radiation. The nazis also have UV lamps.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:24 No.9922659
    Next is: Stalin discovers the Federation of Star Trek.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:24 No.9922670
    20,000 drow; but Menz's pop is 1mil with slaves counted.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:24 No.9922674
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    Drow is babies.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:25 No.9922690
    Actually, I was going to do Teddy Roosevelt vs. Yuan-Ti.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:25 No.9922691

    Further advantage nazis.

    Also the Nazis would be quite happy to do things like collapsing tunnels and using explosives against civilian populations. Take a man portable field gun on a long range mission to a position near the enemy city, shoot ceiling until it collapse, win.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:25 No.9922695
    not really, if you read history on World war two battles, the only really cunning commander was the Desert Fox. Most of Hitlers generals were just yes-men who just had tons of dumb luck during their campaign.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:27 No.9922724

    They were good at following plans, and the plans high command came up with were sound, considering that they were basically called up to do miraclework.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:28 No.9922759
    Illithid advisor? The Nazis have lost already. He's totally gonna betray them, enthrall Hitler, and eat Goebbels' brains!
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:29 No.9922767

    Nazi high command was very clever. Hitler was the problem.

    Many of their field commanders were also pretty smart too. Not tactical genius smart but tactically competent.

    The Drow would have a hard time even understanding what is going on the first time blitzkrieg is used against them.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:30 No.9922790
    What are the Nazi's going to do against clerics though? Especially the High-priestess of Lolth.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:30 No.9922791
    Lack of clerics spells doom for the Nazis. Drow specialize in poison and with no antidotes or clerical magic to stop it, the Germans would be fucked. Between uber-stealthy, magic enhanced rogues poisoning the food supply and sabotaging the 'factories' and big ticket cloud-based poison attacks, it would take some serious effort on the Nazis part.

    Darkvision sites don't work in magical darkness and that would be everywhere.

    Now, if the German's reverted to their Norse background and they were playing 1st edition where Norse gods existed and could be worshipped, they might be okay.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:30 No.9922795
    And nothing of value was lost.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:31 No.9922811
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    Blitzkrieg? How about repeatedly marching the same guys through the same tunnel system so that it appears as though you have 1000 men instead of 100. It worked on the Poles, so I don't see why it wouldn't work on the barely educated(To our standards) savages that live in that hole.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:31 No.9922812
    >implying Rommel was anywhere near Guderian-tier
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:35 No.9922866

    Now we have the question.

    Do things like gas masks work against magical poison clouds? Remember we have a lot of experience with chemical weapons too and the Nazis won't be stupid enough to leave their water supply unguarded.

    The Drow in comparison to the Nazis are uneducated savages with obsolete warfare tactics. It would be like a middle ages army fighting a modern one. First time the Drow encounter a minefield would be hilarious though. Oh and barbed wire.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:36 No.9922872
    Why, shoot them in the face, of course.

    Guns are NOT balanced for D&D, and most of the nazi soldiers would (if they were statted) probably be between levels five and eight, being WWII vets.

    Assuming that they can sneak past the checkpoints on the tunnel entrances is definitely a big "if" - considering the huge spotlights trained on it and lack of places to hide, and considering the germans are likely to have guard dogs there as well - not to mention magical protections.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:37 No.9922893




    Nazi guards on the wall looking at the Drow rolling around in a minefield getting blown to pieces.

    "Heh...those Drow are pretty stupid aren't they Hans?"

    "Yes Fritz. Oh look one of them is waving his hands about to cast a spell hang on."

    Hans shoots the Drow before he can finish casting.

    "Heh those silly Drow"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:37 No.9922902
    I see no reason why they shouldn't. Now, things like clouds of acid, that might be different.

    But one thing you all seem to be forgetting is demons.

    The drow can summon them. The nazis cannot. Yet, anyway.

    How do you all feel it'll go down when we have Yocholol attacking Nazi ranks?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:38 No.9922925

    Exactly. The tech edge and modern warfare experience edge is going to put the Drow in a bad spot.

    These guys have experienced horrors the Drow can barely comprehend. Especially the trench warfare vets
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:39 No.9922957
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    I would say yes, poison clouds would be negated by gas masks. Don't forget that suits made for combat in those conditions also included suits that sealed the body off.
    Also remember that one time when Italy invaded north Africa shortly before WW2, and blew the savages into smithereens? Swords versus modern tanks, artillery and rifles.

    Drow are so fucked.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:40 No.9922963
    Ya know the Nazi's could get clerics.

    A cleric doesn't have to be dedicated to a god. They can be dedicated to an ideal or something similar instead.

    Nazism. What are its domains?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:40 No.9922969
    If the Drow can't effortlessly destroy normal Human empires, what makes you think they could take on technologically advanced humans.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:41 No.9922979
    All of them. For Nazism is superior to all other things.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:41 No.9922980

    The Drow wouldn't be a total pushover but overwhelming advantage Nazi's.

    Especially once they start freeing human slaves and such. I imagine the Nazi Aryan race concept would quickly dissolve in the face of actual other races meaning they'd be more "humanity first"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:41 No.9922986
    Hatred. War. Genocide. Evil. Norse Gods.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:41 No.9922987
    -2 CON vs bullets
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:42 No.9922991

    Invisibility trumps most of this, as do shadowdancers and dread commandos all that hidy, sneaky drow specialty gear. It is incredibly easy to bypass even the most sophisticated detection schemes with magic.

    Spotlights powered by what electricity? Factories powered by steam? Not very efficient. Knock out whatever their power source is and they're in bad shape.

    I'm not sure the drow ARE savages in comparison, but even if they are, that doesn't spell doom. Natives can be highly effective in hostile terrain, especially when you have a god on your side and contain your enemy.

    The drows biggest problem really is betrayal by their own people, being the most back-stabbing race ever.

    I love the idea of nazi driders though.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:43 No.9923014
    This a BILLION times this. After all those 1 million slaves the Drow capital hold probably dont like being slaves do they?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:45 No.9923049
    So, Nazi Fortress?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:45 No.9923050

    Light sensitivity is why, and this is moot underground. If Drow are such pushovers, why don't the humans invade and take all their huge amounts of wealth?

    Because it's not that simple, that's why.

    Ideologically the Nazis would not 'free' the slaves of the drow, just make them their own. Maybe after promising them freedom though. ;)
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:45 No.9923052

    Magic? Clerics?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:45 No.9923057

    Remember the Nazi's will have magical defences on top of this and are likely to apply them in a way the Drow won't expect.

    Remember the Nazi's were very pro-science. They'll tinker and fiddle until they understand how magic actually works. On the way they'll figure out new ways to use it.

    Exploding runes direction signs that kill you if you are a Drow?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:45 No.9923058
    So, even when it's Nazis /tg/ is "FUCK YEAR HUMANITY!"?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:46 No.9923074
    If there's one thing I hate more than drow, it's nazis.

    I vote 'both horribly killed by each other.'
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:47 No.9923081
    The biggest danger is the Drow using the Nazi's as a rallying point for their usually fragmented society.

    They would overwhelm the Nazi's.

    But imagine a tank made with Adamantine?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:47 No.9923085
    If the Nazis are using WW2 era factories underground, why haven't they killed themselves with all the smog and noxious fumes they'd be producing?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:47 No.9923086
    I lulz at this. Its mostly because we want to kill that GIGANTIC FAGGOT Drizzt.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:47 No.9923092

    It's evil vs. evil. We chose the ones with snazzier weapons and superior dress sense.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:47 No.9923094

    I'd say especially when.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:48 No.9923104

    Its a bit hard to predict. The Nazis we know only knew of humans. These Nazis will actually be confronted with non-human races. There is no way of telling how they'll react ideologically to this revelation with any certainty. But my money is on them becoming "humanity first"

    As for what the Nazism cleric domains are. I figured it out:

    War Domain
    Strength Domain
    Law Domain
    Knowledge Domain
    Destruction Domain
    Death Domain
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:48 No.9923105
    That's a really good point. WW2 industry just doesn't work without a lot of fresh air to smog up.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:49 No.9923113
    Nazi's discover Adamantine.

    They promptly make it part of their war machine resulting in super-light yet incredibly durable tanks, body armor, and machinery.
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    Now for the biggest question:
    Nazis go and conquer fantasy land, by virtue of strange tactics and adaptability. Then, they make tanks out of adamantine, planes from Mithral, all shooting magical artillery cannons that could level an entire city.

    Is OUR world fucked?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:50 No.9923138
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    They're Nazis! They're not going to ally with non-aryan slaves. They'll just send them to work in the V2 factories.

    The amount of nazi apologism in this thread is unpleasant.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:50 No.9923144

    Tough to say. The caverns in the underdark are huge and they'd no doubt figure out a way of dealing with the pollution using magic if it became a problem.


    Forgot to mention. The Nazism favoured weapon is rifles. So the clerics who have the War domain would get bonuses to their shooting skill. Cleric snipers anyone?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:50 No.9923154
    bane would go damn these are some awesome motherfuckers, I will support their racism, and then the nazis have a god as well, and since there are no jews start exterminating magical races
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:51 No.9923159
    This is very true but The Nazis have had years to prep the area for the arrival of what little heavy factories and shit they had after they got OMFG WTF pwned by the Sovs/MURRIKA. They dont have a lot of anything, not near enough to pollute the area to any great degree for a while.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:52 No.9923174
    Either way it would be super fun to run this, especially with two groups (one playing drow, one playing nazis).


    The Nazis definitely have the edge on the snazzy uniform front, and some super kick-ass bards as well.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:52 No.9923178

    It depends how their ideology changes in the Underdark.

    If they become even more obsessive over the Aryan race then our world is fucked.

    If they instead adopt a "humanity is the best race" ideal system then we're not so fucked.
    Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:52 No.9923183
    Eh, the Drow would just figure out where the Nazi's were getting their coal and oil, and taint/ destroy the supplies.

    Imagine burning coal that produced giant noxious clouds of fumes heavier than Oxygen?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:53 No.9923202
    How much air is around?

    If it's remotely like realistic caverns, even the biggest ever, even one factory will quickly fill it up with smog.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:53 No.9923213
    >Imagine burning coal that produced giant noxious clouds of fumes...
    There's already a kind of coal like that. It's called 'coal'.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:55 No.9923237
    You can't ignore that the drow, when they get their hands on nazi technology, watch and learn how they do it by scrying on everything the nazis do before they realize that scrying even exists.

    Drow have their own technology and I see no reason they couldn't figure it out for themselves, and have tons of experience fusing technology with biology so their results very well could surpass the nazis advances.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:55 No.9923241
    The underdark contain CITIES of Drow, i dont think its realistic.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:55 No.9923244
    Hmmmm, Drow kill the Nazis, then take all their tech! Death from Below!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:56 No.9923259
    Great...now we have Nazi-Drow cyborgs.

    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:56 No.9923267

    Dwarfs maybe could make inferior replicas of the semi auto rifles.

    But the Drow? They would see mysterious machines doing mysterious things to lumps of metal which then make mysterious parts that when put together in a mysterious way make a gun.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:56 No.9923268
    One would suspect they would get it from mining, not counting their stockpiles.

    Mining operations would DEFINITELY be insanely well defended.

    This isn't like taking on a few Svirneblin who might have an earth elemental; this is fighting guys who have TANKS guarding their mining equipment, and tons of soldiers with firearms.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:57 No.9923270
    Medieval cities pollute a whole lot less than 1940s-era factories. Even if they're several times larger than the largest caverns in the world, that just means it'll take weeks instead of days to fill up with smog.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:57 No.9923271

    The nazis would just pump it into the drow caverns or into lower levels. Creates a natural kill zone around your area.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:57 No.9923272
    Could'nt the nazis dig theri way to the surface and built a colony there and make some undercover rape raids from there? They surely would be better off on the surface than underground.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:59 No.9923305
    So they drill a chimney to the surface.

    Problem solved.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)17:59 No.9923310

    Thats a point. The Nazis would dig out of the ceiling because its there.

    Airpower would be interesting in the underdark.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)17:59 No.9923319

    That would depend on how deep they are. That information was not provided by OP.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:00 No.9923332
    This is a retarded Mary Sue concept to begin with, every retards favorite badguys because their pansy keyboard jockey ass can't make up their own and they have no originality vs. everyone's favorite emo every-warrior.

    Dipshittery we don't have dragon riding Nazis, ever-resourceful Germans, further evidence of the otherwise intelligent OP's lack of originality or imagination.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:00 No.9923333
    Drilling to and trading with the surface is one thing.

    Living on the surface just kind of kills the whole scenario and makes it Nazi's vs. Faerun.

    The drow have a chance because they're on their home turf, which the Nazi's are NOT well suited to fighting in. Faerun on the surface, however, has no defense against tanks and guns.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:01 No.9923341
    To be honest I am tempted to DM this now
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:01 No.9923348
    Op here. They're at the same depth as Menzo, whatever that is.
    If you want any extra details, feel free to ask.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:02 No.9923352
    are you gonna do an online game ? If so, count me in please!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:02 No.9923356
    I have no idea who would win, but this sounds like one hell of a campaign setting.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:02 No.9923358

    If you're anywhere close to Seattle, I want to play. ;)
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:02 No.9923362
    >Airpower would be interesting in the underdark.
    That's the worst idea in this thread full of terrible ideas.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:02 No.9923369
    And the Tyranny domain
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:04 No.9923401

    The caverns are gigantic though. Not the fast planes but slower ones? Especially bombers.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:04 No.9923405

    Light sensitivity is a liability when fighting machine gun wielding humans, especially if the Nazis figure out this advantage and adjust tactics accordingly.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:05 No.9923406
    My $ is on the Drow.

    Cloudkill autokills below a certain level, which most of the nazis will be. The drow drop a few of those ove the city (and the Nazis don't have clerics for Zone of Sweet Air) and BAM no more nazis.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:05 No.9923410
    This is taking place in the Forgotten Realms, obviously (hence Menzoberranzan and Drizzt reference). Clerics in FR are ONLY granted their powers by a deity; they cannot simply draw power from faith.

    Note to people on invisibility: "Invisibility Purge" is a 4th level spell.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:06 No.9923426
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    >Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"

    Illithids - a species 'from the end of time', super-advanced, cruel slave-holders of inferior species; subject to violent internal struggles and a desire to kill and subjugate all others; frightening even other abominations...

    Nazi Germans - a species from OH SHIT GUYS I THINK WE WORKED IT OUT
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:06 No.9923428
    OP here. I've been looking for an online game for some time now. If you decide to run it, I'd like to join in.

    Mind, even if I created it initially, it would be essentially yours if you ran it as a game.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:06 No.9923432
    How are the drows going to get there in first place, considering that all entrance are controlled ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:06 No.9923433
    And then the PC's arrive.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:07 No.9923448
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:08 No.9923458


    Identify, nothing. Detect magic, nothing!
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:08 No.9923461

    Oh my.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:09 No.9923472

    Invisibility purge is a nominal duration cleric spell, so the lack of cleric's again becomes problematic for the nazis. Sure they could have see invis up, but that's a personal spell and most of the guards are not casters.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:09 No.9923473

    Exactly. The Drow themselves are not craftsmen of anything other than magical items. They wouldn't be very keen to ask the few craftsmen slaves for advice as it would be a sign of weakness. But even then they're going to be going "I have no idea"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:10 No.9923488
    So is anyone gonna DM a game of this ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:11 No.9923503
    Can you imagine what a group of PC's played by /tg/ in this setting could accomplish?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:11 No.9923505
    The biggest weakness underground dwellers have is poison gas.

    The nazis are most renowned for using... poison gas.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:11 No.9923514

    As soon as one wizard discovers invisibility is possible they will go "MEIN FUHRER THE ENEMY ARE CAPABLE OF INVISIBILITY!"

    Besides does invisibility work on guard dogs?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:14 No.9923573
    because there is no way that you can make stuff that counters invisibility that everyone can use.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:15 No.9923578
    They've had the spellbook for YEARS. They know all about invisibility and divination and all the counters to them available up to fourth level, and nothing prevents them from learning spells from captured drow or buying them from other civilizations.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:15 No.9923588
    How about Ur Priests, then.
    OR, to venture into the distasteful, Hitler deified.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:16 No.9923591
    Because there is no way for Nazis to prduce Goggles of See Invis en masse.....right?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:16 No.9923596
    Drow have no scientific method. They aren't cooperative enough to master technology the way that the Germans can. It's a tossup between whether the Drow can stop backstabbing each other long enough to win against the lockstep German machine. My money is on no. They just have too many divisions among themselves.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:16 No.9923602
    >because there is no way that you can make stuff that counters invisibility that everyone can use.

    How far off WW2 tech are motion detectors, infa-red cameras, and localised radar?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:16 No.9923610

    Well, this is where it gets tricky. Where are the nazis getting their spellbooks from? Are they having to research every spell they have? Are they making new ones? Is this ADD, 2e or 3.x? Are there sorcerors?

    Invisibility kind of works on guard dogs. Dogs have scent and will smell the drow unless they do something to mask it. Darkstalker may come in handy in this regard as would alchemical substances.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:16 No.9923611
    If they block off all but one passage, then they only need ONE pair of see invisibility. But they could at least make two.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:17 No.9923619
    To those asking about smoke build-up: Ever heard of Druegar? Them dark-dwarves? They have smoke-stack cities in the underdark as well. Look it up.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:17 No.9923623
    No one really is a craftman of anything but magical items in fearun. Even the dwarves don't usually build machines.

    The only exception is gnomes. And the drow have some as slaves dedicated to crafting complex things. If they want to understand their ennemies weaponry - and they'll do, they'll force them to work on it. They will even make them compete to find out first, because whatever house gets effective firearms first can get power. And renouncing to potential power is far more of a weakling's thing to do than using slaves to get it.

    Also, there's still the problem of the yochlols, the shadowdancers and assassins, the iron golems, and the mind flayer that enthralled hitler.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:17 No.9923628

    Also, locked doors that are being watched.

    Drow uses Knock to unlock blast door. Door is too heavy to open without the door mechanisms working. So much for "unlocking" that blast door.

    Alternatively, Drow are somehow able to open the door. Nazis see door open, apply flamethrower.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:17 No.9923629
    And they've only got a few guys who can cast it while the drow have thousands
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:19 No.9923653
    >The year is 1942. Nazi forces are marching across Europe, when Hitler's interest in the occult finally pays off. His forces find a mysterious book full of spells that actually work.

    The spellbook they have teaches up to 4th level spells, and a special "Interdimensional Gate" spell.

    It teaches everything up to fourth level, plus an extra interdimensional gate spell. They've had it for a couple years already.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:19 No.9923657

    The Nazi's have one spellbook at the start but will have copied it and no doubt have produced numerous grades of "Standard issue spellbook" along with a strict, precise training program for military wizards and civil works wizards. They will also be researching how magic actually works.

    "Da I know that by casting fireball you make a fireball. What I am interested in is HOW"

    "yes yes cast invisibility and you are invisible. Lets figure out HOW you become invisible"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:19 No.9923668
    They'll doo as soon as lolth percieve a threat on her playground and tell them to do so.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:21 No.9923687
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    Is nobody up to DM a game of this online ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:21 No.9923702
    Drow can bathe in human blood and get past easily. Even if they don't, then what happens ? The dogs smell something, bark, don't see it and stop barking.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:22 No.9923707
    OP here.

    I'm just not experienced enough at DMing online to do it. If someone else does it though, I DO want to join in.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:23 No.9923730
    Ring of fire resistance, and that assassin spell that allow to become liquid to slip through doors.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:24 No.9923742

    Nazis know about Invisibility. They are not going to dismiss a guard dog barking at "nothing".
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:25 No.9923765
    Come to think of it, flamethrowers work exactly like an Invisibility Purge spell
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:26 No.9923783

    >fire resistance

    Then just bullets.

    >turn to liquid to slip through door

    Hmmmm. Good point. What means to normal Faerun people have to protect against this sort of thing? They do that.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:27 No.9923810

    The Gnomes are still going to have a hard time figuring it out. It is one thing to see the object in question and observe its construction but you need to understand the machines as well as the materials used.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:28 No.9923829
    There's other ways to be invisible than the invisibility spells.
    Assuming the drow is a shadowdancer, let's say without the darkstalker feat.
    The dog smell him, he barks, the soldiers start moving, the drow shadow jump away. The soldiers start firing everywhere at nothing ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:29 No.9923836
    No need to use bullets at first.
    You'll just see a moving figure covered in flames.
    It is then, that you fire.

    And how can the nazi know what do the other races use ?

    They'll just use 24/ protection or something.
    But, by far, the easiest way is to have a small moat made of a dark liquid just behind the door, which should be able to protect and notice from just about anything.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:29 No.9923858
    Except fire resistance, and in small tunnels that's not a good idea to werf flammen everywhere.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:30 No.9923866
    I will defeat the 4th Reich and the Drow with mahjong.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:30 No.9923884

    You're forgetting that all these "ohgodsupercool" classes are rare. Even more so at higher levels.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:32 No.9923901
    the point is not killing the thing istantly, but noticing it.
    Guards will see with ease a moving, burning figure and shoot it until it's dead.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:32 No.9923902
    An easier time than the one nazis will have to figure out how and why you can make a fireball from bat guano. A gun is a quite simple machine.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:32 No.9923916
    Drow don't have inherent fire resistance, drow priestesses don't commonly help other drow with their magic, and the chaotic stupid traitorville environment of the drow generally decreases the performance of their casters, since it makes them far more likely to hoard their spell slots for their own use.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:32 No.9923917

    >countermeasures of other races

    Nazis are smart, they may figure out a lot of those countermeasures themselves.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:33 No.9923930
    What fire resistance? Also, the point is of course not just to kill them, but to blind them and make them visible.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:33 No.9923932
    Guns are NOT a simple machine.
    Expecially considering the modern materials used.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:35 No.9923966

    To us maybe.

    But to these Gnomish or Drow Craftsmen? It's going to be a total mystery.

    They can speculate and experiment but they'll be trying to make a semi automatic battle rifle or assault rifle (nazis made the first one remember) without going through the technological development stage of blackpowder weapons.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:36 No.9923971
    Not among drows, and they need only a handful of high level assassins to deal with the new threat.
    The jaezred chaulssin has a membership of 807 draconic and half-dragon drows, for an example.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:36 No.9923972
    Yes it is. Look at the AK-47 and tell me that it is a complex device.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:37 No.9924010
    And not notice other one that teleported past them.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:38 No.9924023

    >gnome slave uses newly crafted gun to kill drow
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:38 No.9924034
    >Mindflayers may well end up in the same position the Japs occupied in Nazi Germany as being "honorary humans"

    aren't mindflayers humans from the DISTANT DISTANT future?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:38 No.9924042
    Fire don't blind, improved evasion anyway.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:39 No.9924047
    Teleportation in the underdark is SUICIDE. The drow don't use it without very well designed special maps, which are generally treasures of their most powerful archmages.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:39 No.9924050
    ...Can I use that hook sometime?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:39 No.9924053

    A few high level assassins who are entrenched in their ways of doing things.

    They'll approach this new threat same as any other they've encountered and be thoroughly raped.

    The Nazis are used to far more treacherous and cunning assassins.


    While it is built like a tractor you are still looking at a device that is fairly complex. Especially in comparison to anything the Drow will have seen.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:40 No.9924077
    Sadly, I think Nazis would just have one of those "tiers of races", shitting order things. Humans > other fantasy species. Aryans > most humans.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924078
    Compare that with a sword, musket, or a hammer. Yes, it's a pretty complicated device.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924080
    Compared to, say, convoluted magical and mechanical traps? Constructs and automatons? Golems? I'll go out on a limb here and say the biggest problem would be gunpowder and ammunition.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924081

    Also another thing. It's the little details that the Drow will miss in their reproduction firearms.

    Rifling of the barrel, ironsights, etc

    This is assuming they even figure out how bullets work.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924085
    Gnomes already have simple firearms, they just don't use it much because it sucks compared to magic.
    And no, it's not really a mysterious that exploding stuff can push a bit of metal from a metal tube. The mechanics, though fine ones, are even simpler.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924094
    But isn't the means itself magical?

    How would they react to knowing they can't explain it beyond that?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:41 No.9924097
    It is.
    A simple machine is a wheel.
    A complex machine is an AK47.
    If it's such a simple thing, can you make an AK47 from scratch ? Or design a better weapon ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:42 No.9924109
    Tyr is an FR deity.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 05/19/10(Wed)18:42 No.9924112

    An AK is no more complicated than any of those things.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:42 No.9924119
    A gun is not more deadly than a crossbow, and slaves are usually quite slavish and mindraped.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:43 No.9924127
    >can you make an AK47 from scratch ?

    If you wish to make an AK from scratch, you first need to invent the universe.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:44 No.9924143
    About the whole combat part. Consider frag munitions in medium-sized caves and corridors. Also, flamethrowers. The ventilation problems can be solved by rudimentary magic.
    >> Shas'o R'myr !!TZikiEEr0tg 05/19/10(Wed)18:44 No.9924150

    >you must first invent the universe
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:45 No.9924176
    Flamethrowers would be godly in a cave system. The original usage of flamethrowers was in bunker clearing since a stream of napalm will bounce off of walls. Drow hiding behind a corner become toasty drow hiding behind a corner.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:46 No.9924190
    According to the parameters set up by all of you, the Nazis will win. You've given them some mystical insight into how the workings of the Underdark function, any countermeasure needed for whatever eventuality the Drow may throw at them. While they trained and prepared to face their Drow adversaries for however long they've been there(for no real reason) the Drow have apparently done nothing. Poison gasses and noxious fumes won't hurt them but will kill everyone else, and apparently they've managed to train 220 mages in a span of two years with ONE book.

    Your methods are as flawed as those of the Mythbusters, and I am ashamed to have read this thread.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:46 No.9924191
    Fun fact: Explosives do vastly more damage in an enclosed area. Even one against a wall and floor will do more damage because the shockwaves bounce off any surface, but one in which there's a roof, two walls, and a floor, will do vastly more damage. That is not counting any shrapnel produced from the walls or ceiling.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:46 No.9924196
    From scratch, no. From a sheet of steel, using the tools and magic ascribed to the drow, yes. That is IF I can remember the fucking dimensions. Then again, having captured a working specimen I could venture to replicate it.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:46 No.9924197
    Frankly, I'm not sure a city of 30,000 is going to be of sufficient size to mobilize any army of value. Also, resources are going to be a massive issue.

    Right now I see the National Socialists reverting to pretty standard hierarchical society based on slave labor and exploitation. Weakling rapidly breeding slaves would be prized - goblins, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:47 No.9924208
    Yeah, the powerful archmages of menzo that fund these assassins.
    >They'll approach this new threat same as any other they've encountered and be thoroughly raped.
    >The Nazis are used to far more treacherous and cunning assassins.
    Yeah. Send stealthy character kill the leaders and poison the water and create a gate to the abyss in the middle of the colony and stuff. And that'll work.
    You can't say that the plan to assassinate hitler was really cunning, and it almost worked.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:48 No.9924216

    A gun is so much more deadly than a crossbow, superior range, stopping power, etc.

    Plus while some Drow will have armour proof against crossbow bolts it won't stand up to bullets.


    Gnomes have blackpowder weapons. A blackpowder gun is massively different to a bullet using gun.

    The basic principle is the same but the Gnomes will see these bullets and go "I dunno gov"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:48 No.9924220
    Personally I think it'd be more interesting if they bargained to give up the stuff they got to get off easy. Basically, instead of Nazis vs. Drow it's Our World vs. DnD.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:48 No.9924233
    drow assassins, supported by a mage or two, would have infiltrated this human colony the moment it was seen as a threat and taken the head of serpent without its body being the wiser.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:49 No.9924242
    Give me a way to make the bits, and AK 47, and I can build another one, yes. Designing is a little bit harder, but that's not really necessary.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:49 No.9924244
    >Illithid advisor? The Nazis have lost already. He's totally gonna betray them, enthrall Hitler, and eat Goebbels' brains!
    Just as planned. Goebbel now uses his incredible Strength of Will to hijack the Illithid from within.
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    rolled 30 = 30

    want a nazi drow game play this....The drow war trilogy
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:51 No.9924271
    Level 9 spells, really?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)18:51 No.9924272
    Lets face it guys.

    The Nazis hold an advantage. You can argue the point but like someone else mentioned. They've trained 220 mages in two years.

    The Nazis are going to win.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:52 No.9924293
    Magical armor works the same against any projectile, whatever the force.
    >but the Gnomes will see these bullets and go "I dunno gov"
    Why would they ? That's simple.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:52 No.9924295
    >220 mages in two years.

    What is this, 3rd edition?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:53 No.9924311
    Until the Drow start speaking Russian.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:54 No.9924326

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:54 No.9924332
    Yeah, level 9 spells. Why not ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:55 No.9924353
    Russians find a book full of spells too? God damn.
    Why don't the Americans start this up too. Hell even add the British and the French.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:56 No.9924369
    But hitler is puppeted by the Illithids.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:56 No.9924378
    That was mentioned because it was more evidence of the odds being stacked in favor of the Nazis so that the Deadliest Warrior team we've got here can come to the conclusion using "science" that the Nazis win.

    because humans are awesome and Drow are whiny emo faggots, right guys?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:56 No.9924383

    Drow get what languages in 3.5 to start out with? Is common one of those. it needs to be decided what "common" actually is? is it Russian, German, English or Swahili? Will they even be able to speak with each other?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:57 No.9924394
    We had a similar situation in another thread.

    IIRC the goblins were basically brought around to the concept of the proletariat and the revolution to destroy capitalism.

    They didn't understand most of it, but I think they got the picture.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:59 No.9924420
    Well now, I like where this is going.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)18:59 No.9924423
    Still can't do a thing against a regular yochlol.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:03 No.9924491

    I don't particularly imagine that tier of ultrarare caster to even exist outside the Demonweb Pits, and those that do are quite unlikely to risk themselves like that.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:05 No.9924521
    Common is the trade language in the area, for that PARTICULAR campaign. So probably it'd be English for most RL campaigns, but not necessarily.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:06 No.9924538

    It won't be English.

    It will just be a language everyone else knows.

    The Drow will have little clue what the Nazi's are saying unless German is affected by those spells that let you understand all languages briefly
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:09 No.9924571

    Asspained drowtales fan detected.

    You know that drow are constantly on the edge of extiction due to their own volatility all the time right?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:09 No.9924572
    I think Swahili would be a good one.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:10 No.9924575
    >implying there's a risk for an epic caster.
    In menzo, Gromph Baenre (diviner16/archmage4) and Dyrr the lichdrow (sorcerer20/wizard3/cleric1), for example.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:10 No.9924577
    I'd say the most important question of balance here is whether Hitler has managed to tap into charisma-based spellcasting.

    If not, then the Nazis are in an unenviable position regarding numbers. They cannot field a proper modern army, although they can create some really dangerous guerrilla bands. Their modern weaponry and factories mean that any invasion will be a complete disaster for the time being. However, they absolutely would need allies to survive. Considering that Hitler was willing to ally with Mussolini and Tojo and somehow managed to not attack Stalin for a few years, it's clear this is no problem. Still, it's a war of attrition against the Drow. Given that they have obviously had no problem holding the colony for this long and produced a handful of mages with frightening speed, it would take the entirety of the Drow forces invading with Soviet-style body sacrifices just to let some of their more seasoned spellcasters try to wreak havoc.Nazis beat Drow, although slowly and hoping to not piss off an even greater foe.

    If Hitler has charisma-based spellcasting, there's not even a real fight. Hitler's charisma is fucking broken. Everyone knew he was batshit insane from day one, yet he had admirers all over the world. Hitler would carve through sorcerer levels without any effort at all. Between that and his ability to convince people to fanatically support him to the point of worship, he'd end up at epic-level sorcerer with divine rank in no time. The Drow aren't just fucked, Hitler is going to personally pull Lolth's legs off one by one while Mengele pulls out the bleach hoses and mental torture implements to turn some Drow bitches into subservient elven whores.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:11 No.9924598
    >The Drow will have little clue what the Nazi's are saying unless German is affected by those spells that let you understand all languages briefly
    Why wouldn't it be ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:11 No.9924605

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:14 No.9924642
    >Mengele pulls out the bleach hoses and mental torture implements to turn some Drow bitches into subservient elven whores.

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:14 No.9924643
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    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:15 No.9924651

    >Hitler's charisma is fucking broken


    I saw some vidyas on him on youtube and i wanted to go HAIL DEM FÜHRER
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:16 No.9924670

    Never know. They are from another dimension but you're right it will probly work.

    Technical language is still going to baffle them though. "What is a millimetre? I MUST POSSESS THEM! THEY ARE ESSENTIAL TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ENEMY'S WEAPONS!! FIND ME THESE MILLIMETRES!"

    Oh man I'm lolling at the misconceptions the Drow might have
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:16 No.9924672


    Charisma stacking. Damn.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:17 No.9924685
    How will the nazis get more bullets?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:18 No.9924713

    Oh gods this. THIS.

    Hitler figures out Charisma spellcasting and you're looking at the birth of a god. I'm honestly scared now
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:19 No.9924729

    They have the factory base necessary to supply themselves.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:20 No.9924737

    He would already have a small base of support in the worshipers part of godhood. How many followers do you need again before you start getting god powers?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:21 No.9924750

    Then in the middle of the Cold War, a portal opens in Berlin and Aryan elite troopers wielding the divine magics of the Aryan god pour out, equpped with adamantium and mithril forged equipment and magic scrolls.

    Commence third world war.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:22 No.9924764
    They have limited stocks in coal and oil and explosives. "Allies" they have : the illithids "adviser" that run the whole thing at this point. They don't have golem-makers and earth elemental-conjurers that would be the heavy weaponry most adapted to this kind of thing, they do not have armies of slaves, they would better not start invoking devils or demons, they do not have divine magic (cure spells and more importantly, resurrecting ones)... mostly they do not have spells of a higher level than 4.
    >Nazis beat Drow, although slowly and hoping to not piss off an even greater foe.
    Like Lolth ?

    And sorcerers don't work like that.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924827
    Even non-racists agree that nazis are pretty top tier in terms of really good humans. Nazis are ruthlessly efficient, and considering we're talking about 10k of the best of the nazis, they are obviously superior to 10k of most humans. If 10k uneducated humans can harm the drow in wars using swords, 10k of the best nazis can obliterate the drow with panzers, assault rifles, jet planes, rockets, and nightvision.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924829
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    Oh god... Avatar of Hitler leading a blitzkrieg.

    Nazis see what the West did to Western Germany, then sees what USSR did to Eastern Germany. Russia doesn't stand a chance against the fury of this new German power.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924832
    I hope this thread has been archived...
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924838
    Continuation of >>9924577

    Just had another scary thought. Even without spells, Hitler could damn well choose to become a paladin. Divine Grace alone would leave Hitler's saving throws in the realm of immune-to-anything-and-fucking-everything.

    Then Paladin Hitler starts on the path of charisma-based spellcasting...
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924839

    The Hitler one would.

    The guy has charisma coming out of every orifice. His Charisma modifier alone must be in the double digits let alone his actual score
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:25 No.9924841
    Why wouldn't they understand measurements ? The first time I read about feet I did not ask myself if it was real feets.
    And the spell either translate, then they'll understand, or simply give them the idea of the things mentionned, and they'll understand.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:26 No.9924853

    It better be archived. how do I save it on my computer? I actually want to use all this information for a future campaign.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:26 No.9924856

    Why would it?

    It would translate words if possible and if the word has no meaning itself then it would not be translated.

    Why would the spell suddenly grant the caster knowledge of measurements?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:27 No.9924863
    Underground jet planes?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:27 No.9924869
    This thread is fuckwin. Still, I have to side with teh nazis. The Nazis are only fighting 1 city, not all of them. My FR lore is rusty, but I don't think that all drow cities like each other, and not all of them worship lolth to the degree the Menzos do (hence that one male high priest in Ched Nissan or whatever). In fact, I bet the other drow would help defeat those elitist jerks in Menzo. Even within Menzo, the other drow houses wouldn't be too keen on helping House Baerne, and would likely try to cause their defeat.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:27 No.9924870
    Panzers, jet planes and rockets in the underdark ?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:28 No.9924902
    Of course. Adamantine ones, even.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:29 No.9924908
    Aw fuck. You win at everything forever.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:29 No.9924912

    panzers yes. Rockets maybe. Jets? No. Prop planes? on and off.

    Field artillery? you bet
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:29 No.9924913
    The tentacle-face is their gas mask fused to their flesh. They tried to combine magic with their industry with disastrous results.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:29 No.9924919
    Hitler is obviously a sorcerer. Do you realize how much fucking charisma that guy had? "Enough to take control of a country of millions and threaten the entire world" easily ranks as 24+. He exterminated all the jews so he could powerlevel his XP.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:29 No.9924921
    You're starting to sound like a fanboy.
    Hitler wasn't charismatic to that point. And charisma alone don't make epic spellcasters.
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    Gentlemen, get me Paladin Cananda!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:30 No.9924929

    One small problem I'm noticing here is level. The Nazis best Mages are around level 8, while Drow have a good supply of Clerics and Wizards in the upper teens. The Nazis have equipment, the Drow have sheer level.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:30 No.9924933
    I've seen Nazi Germany vs unsuspecting D&D world threads before... they always make me want to DM. Having some of these ideas nicely laid out would really help.
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/19/10(Wed)19:31 No.9924944
    And V2 missiles. But with drills, so instead of flying they burrow in the ground and detonate in enemy cities.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:31 No.9924958
    >Even non-racists agree that nazis are pretty top tier in terms of really good humans.
    Hm... no ? They were not bad, but not better than the english or the americans or the russians of that time.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:31 No.9924962

    Remember high level characters are rare not common.

    It is unlikely they have more than ten wizards in the teens. People in the 10+ level range are typically the people at the top of the pyramid
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:32 No.9924980
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:33 No.9924988

    The rest of the world only won by mass wave tactics.

    Think about it. The Nazi's were insanely outnumbered on every front yet acquitted themselves impressively.

    They took on half the world including all the superpowers of the time and the two emerging superpowers.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:35 No.9925010

    Base Nazi's probably have a level adjustment. And they are probably multiclassed with something else... so I don't know about the level advantage.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:36 No.9925035
    Personally, I'm more keen on seeing the nazis descend into savagery and feudalism, losing most of their technology over time, and replacing the Jew in their mythos with the Drow.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:37 No.9925053
    One thing I would like to point out is that Drow are BIG on backstabbing and scheming.

    Some drow might like Natzi power for what it represents to their own power.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:37 No.9925054
    Because words come in context. When i say "this tube is about 135 gerribles long" you'll understand that a gerrible is an unit of measure of length. When you get directly the idea of a gerrible you'll understand faster yet.
    I assure you that drow use measurements.

    Panzers don't work very well in tunnels. And they need oil. Planes are sub-par since they have fly.
    Rockets and artillery are even worse than panzers in this environment.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:38 No.9925059

    They're probably a custom class.

    I doubt the "infantry" class exists.

    Or SS, or Gestapo...oh man Drow prisoner meets Gestapo.


    "Hmm the usual techniques aren't working. Lets try something else"

    And so the Gestapo learn the power of kindness. Then twist it and manipulate it to their favour.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:38 No.9925066
    >hitler even HAS fanboys

    >not that charismatic

    just think about what you're saying for a moment.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:39 No.9925078
    "EAT IIIIT!"
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:39 No.9925081
    True, the Brits were keeping them occupied quite well. In terms of raw quality though, that was the only foe that could compare. The Russians were threatening due to self-destructive tactics and overwhelming numbers. Only late-stage Allied forces led by Britain and the US were of comparable quality, and we all know that Churchill and Roosevelt would both be fucking up some Drow shit too.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:39 No.9925084
    Six MILLION kills will powerlevel you up like a motherfucker. Hitler's either capped at level 30, or has broken past the level cap.

    Plus, a bunch of Nazi war veterans? The lowest level one is 5th level, with a bunch at 10th or higher.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:39 No.9925088

    I don't see how that is possible. Also, good command structures and very discipline troops. One of the key aspects of Nazi Germans was the ability to work together to produce the best outcomes. They are very lawful, might even say that they are more lawful than they are evil.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:40 No.9925098
    Not if all those kills are half-level jews.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:40 No.9925099

    They might grasp context but they'll be completely baffled.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:41 No.9925103
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    They couldn't take England.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:41 No.9925109
    No, middle level casters in drow society are common.
    >They took on half the world including all the superpowers of the time and the two emerging superpowers.
    It just shows how stupid they could get. They didn't even conquer britain when it was alone, though. And they were outnumbering it.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:41 No.9925120
    Nazis will be revealed to be Vasharans.
    All will be well.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:41 No.9925122
    Lol, me and my friends sometimes joked about how many levels the guy piloting the Enola Gay got.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:43 No.9925145


    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:44 No.9925152
    So what ? Having fanboys is easy. Having a succubus-like charisma is hard.
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/19/10(Wed)19:44 No.9925158
    because Hitler sucked at tactics and strategy.

    And don't you even dare to remind me of those godawful books.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:45 No.9925177

    Airpower trumped them there.

    The battle of Britain meant an invasion of Britain was impossible.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:45 No.9925178
    How the hell would the nazis be getting enough lead for their bullets and enough oil for their tanks with only 10,000 people?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:45 No.9925183
    No they won't ?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:46 No.9925187

    Those books were hilarious!
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:46 No.9925198

    Ok. I'll give you an arbitrary unit of measurement that only I know.

    You go and make something to those measurements.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:47 No.9925200
    See, the main weakness of nazis is water. Nazis can't stand water, they can't cross it without being destroyed unless they go all the way and are completely under it. The fundamental extremism of nazism prevents compromise with water, thus they can either avoid it completely or be entirely submerged in it. All attempts at compromise result in an extreme.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:47 No.9925205
    That's still a loss. And their navy has been outpowered quickly too.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:48 No.9925211
    All of those things come from underground. They've obviously got some decent mining going on.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:48 No.9925212
    Let's see, what heavy German weaponry will work best in caves...

    Field guns will need to fire over open sights, since the cave ceiling limits ballistic arcs. Infantry guns are probably best, especially the 75mm leIG18, since it can be wheeled around and has decent firepower. The 150mm sIG33 would be a nice castle-buster, but is overkill for everything else. Both can fire HEAT rounds in case the enemy starts throwing golems at the nazis. The 75mm GebG36 is also a good substitute, being light and effective.

    Mortars are probably ineffective, unless they can be aimed at very shallow angles. Rocket artillery is also problematic for that reason. Rocket launchers like panzerfausts and panzerschrecks will only be useful against hardened enemies, like golems and the like.

    Anti-tank guns may be a good substitute for field guns, given that they all had HE shells too. The humble 37mm PaK36 could really shine with its AP and HE shells, since it doesn't have to hunt tanks with 100mm+ armour. Also easy to wheel around. PaK38 will also do. PaK40 and up is overkill, and more clumsy.

    75mm LG40 recoilless guns would be awesome. Light enough for two guys to carry around, good HE and HEAT for any occasion. Fliegerfaust AA weapon may also rock in these conditions, as airborne targets will be moving far slower than a plane, and will not react well to a shotgun dispersal of 20mm shells. Ground targets will also not like 20mm shells.

    20mm FlaK38, single or quad, will be an effective defensive weapon against anything save a golem. 37mm FlaK43 is probably overkill. 88mm FlaK36 is definitely overkill, and cumbersome to set-up, unless you really want to smash some Drow fortress and impress the locals.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:48 No.9925217
    Considering that someone who HAS NO IDEA what a meter is can grasp what a meter is as soon as they see it in use...
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:48 No.9925219
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    >succubus-like charisma is hard.
    Not when you are Hitler.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:49 No.9925232
    dood. what if the Soviets followed them a couple decades later. And they could bring diseases and bring the nazis down like the native americans.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:50 No.9925242
    Why would I care ? If I want to reproduce your machinery, I'll mesure the pieces with my own units.
    I'm just saying their brains won't explode just because they heard a strange word.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:50 No.9925256

    A meter is a fairly big unit of measurement though.

    They'll still be a bit off as well.

    Fine measurements needed for weapons will be beyond them. Machined precision is something they have no concept of.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:51 No.9925262
    Having millions of fanboys worldwide, creating a legacy where people remain fascinated for generations to come, and having so much charisma that he's democratically elected to power on a platform of "I am going to kill a SHITLOAD of people!" more than likely counts.

    Hitler was making Diplomacy checks to turn people Fanatic constantly. Helpful to Fanatic alone takes 50, he was turning people otherwise indifferent into raging supporters. We're talking Diplomacy checks of 90+ consistently with long term effects. I'm going to say he had some pretty decent Charisma modifier going on there.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:51 No.9925264
    That's money, not charisma.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:51 No.9925267

    Oh their brains won't explode they'll just be unable to reproduce the weapons by observation alone. Even disassembly is going to provide more questions than answers.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:51 No.9925272
    If the drow could use meters after seeing them in use, then Nazis could use divine magic after seeing it in use.

    Picking up a stick and holding it up against stuff is no different then clasping your hands together and praying. Especially in 3.5 and 4 where you can worship anything you want.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:52 No.9925276

    Hitler becomes god.

    lulz ensue.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:52 No.9925282
    Weird Wars has DnD stats for WW2 weaponry. Shit goes BLAM!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:53 No.9925288
    Precision is just a matter of tools. They can get those too, if they have not some already.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:53 No.9925298
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    "Underdark Nazis."

    "I hate Underdark Nazis."
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    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:54 No.9925318
    "Okay, so... there's a bit of metal."
    "Right. That's the bit that hurts."
    "Now, you know how alchemist fire works?"
    "Imagine that compacted into this part here."
    "Oh, okay..."
    "And when this part hits this part, this bit explodes, and sends the hurty bit flying down the barrel and out, going really damn fast."
    "Okay. I think I get it now."
    "Alright, now we need to add Drow ingenuity to make it BETTER."
    "Easy! Poison the bullet and add useless frills to the outside of the gun."
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:55 No.9925328

    Menzo has a shitton of statted NPCs, at least one level 20 Wizard, and a handful of Clerics capable of casting level 9 spells. There are a LOT of level 8+ Wizards.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:56 No.9925348

    The moment those superpowers entered the war, though, Germany was assfucked.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:56 No.9925351
    Actually, in 3.5 there was a god like Hitler.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:56 No.9925363

    You really have no idea how complex guns are. They're not Russian weapons alright. They're German. German means finely made.

    Fuck up one little bit and the whole thing doesn't work. The Drow would be trying to go from Mediaeval to 1940s tech in a single leap with Mediaeval tools.

    It can not be done. You can hurp and derp and scream all you want but it can not be done. The addition of Gnomes and magic make it potentially possible but extremely difficult. That would just be a semi automatic battle rifle. An assault rifle would be waaaay beyond them, shotguns would be easier but they would have to make changes to suit their tech level. They'd be using glorified flintlocks.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:56 No.9925364
    Bluff checks. He sucked at diplomacy. His platform was "i'm going to get you people out of misery, but I won't get the rich out of their place, and I am a veteran too".
    Mostly the germans were "well, okay", not fanatical.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:58 No.9925384
    >implying humans in D&D can be anything other than Aryan
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)19:59 No.9925398

    Germany started the war with the superpowers of the time and beat them rather badly. Remember preWW2 the global Superpowers were Britain, France, China and other European powers.

    USA and Russia were barely emerging global superpowers back then. The USA got a big boost with the collapse of the British Empire after the war along with the sorry state Europe had been left in. Their total lack of direct involvement with the war certainly helped.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)19:59 No.9925412
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    This is why the Nazis win.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:00 No.9925420
    So, how long would it take Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, on their own, to defeat both sides?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:00 No.9925429

    It's a Wand of Fireball.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:01 No.9925442

    Obama wouldn't last long.

    Putin? I'd give it a week tops for him to completely destroy the Drow leadership and most of that will be spent in planning. Of course killing Lolth only takes a hard stare from him.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:02 No.9925449

    Russia was huge, even back then, all the nazi fanboying in the world won't change that.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:03 No.9925463
    Once again, precision is just a matter of tools. Gnomes can help a little with their experience in mechanics and chemical explosives, but cutting a piece of metal in a given form is not a big problem, especially with magic.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:03 No.9925464

    That doesn't need ranks in use magical item.

    Fuck how long before the Nazis make easy to use magical items?

    "DIS is the flammenwerfer mark 2. It utilises a magic wand to send lots and lots of fire out with no problems regarding fuel. It is lighter and burns hotter. You do not need to measure your bursts as you would with the mark 1. To use it just pull the trigger.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:04 No.9925481
    Except it would be dozens of hardened SS Panzergrenadiers jumping out of halftracks and laying waste to entire areas. Also the brightness from the fires would be bad for the drow.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:04 No.9925483

    Even if they do just handwave and go "LOL MAGIC AND GNOME SLAVES" they still have to figure out bullets which is a lot harder.

    Plus like I mentioned earlier the fine details WILL escape them. Barrel rifling, iron sights, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:05 No.9925493

    Obama has enough charisma to be overwhelmingly elected by Americans despite being (1) black, and (2) having a Muslim-sounding name when we're at war with parts of the Middle East. He's also consistently managed to defy the Israel lobby, AND use his most fanatic opponents as a weapon to completely fucking destroy the Republican party. Plus, as a Conan fan, he'd have some idea how a fantasy setting actually works. Give him a white wig, and in a week he'd have the Drow as a NG egalitarian society.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:05 No.9925496
    >preWW2 the global Superpowers were Britain, France, China and other European powers.
    >preWW2 Superpower China.
    Derp much ?
    France was being stupid, and the nazis did not beat any other superpower of the time.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:05 No.9925500

    Actually by the time of the communist revolution Russia was no longer regarded as a global superpower.

    Afterwards it was rebuilding but was still not classed as a global superpower. Definitely the power in Eastern Europe but not a global superpower.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:06 No.9925516
    Pre World War 2 large chunks of China had been gobbled up by Japan. Hardly a superpower.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:06 No.9925517
    This bit hits that bit which caused this other bit to explode.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:06 No.9925521

    Sorry China was a regional power. Why did I put them in with the global powers?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:06 No.9925525
    and whare does the understanding of why percision is nessisary come from? and the factorys and munitions needed to make enough to be usefull?
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:07 No.9925542


    Now how does it do that?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:07 No.9925547

    No, every competent historian agrees that, at the time, Russia was viewed as a terrifying power. BEFORE the Revolution, it was a backwards, laughable, hick-nation. AFTER the Revolution, especially under Stalin, it was a terrifying industrial power. Learn some actual history, stormfag.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:08 No.9925552
    You pull this bit which pulls that thinger back. Then it hits the bit that causes the explosion.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:08 No.9925555

    >Ad hominem
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:08 No.9925561
    Barrel rifling is pretty obvious and sights more so. Bullets are simple and cartridges an evidence once you see one.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:09 No.9925567

    Brilliant you completely misinterpreted the question.

    How does this bit getting hit cause the explosion?

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:09 No.9925571

    Obama came out of nowhere, and almost immediately convinced everyone who watched him that he was either the messiah or the antichrist. The man has charisma out the ass.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:09 No.9925582

    These things are obvious to us. TO US.

    To a bunch of mediaeval primitives who are used to handwavium magic to solve their problems these things will not be obvious.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:10 No.9925584

    Actually, it's only an ad hominem if used as an argument. In this case, it's an insult tangential to my actual point, which is that you are fundamentally wrong about history.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:10 No.9925587

    >Then you do this thingamajig and the dohicky then....

    Very technical.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:10 No.9925589
    Being hit causes it to explode.
    It's like alchemist fire.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:11 No.9925604
    I'm sure the Drow would come up with words for each part.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:11 No.9925617

    Still doesn't change the fact that the Nazis took on pretty much everyone and at one point were winning.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:11 No.9925618
    If you show a medieval society a firearm, and let them take it apart and toy around with it, they could try making their own. But you'd have simple muzzle or breech loaders. I don't care how good your blacksmith is, he doesn't have the tools and resources to make a semi-automatic firearm.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:12 No.9925643
    >open cartridge
    >see the powder and the whatever it's called in english
    >the whatever explode when it's hit
    >oh, so that's how
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:13 No.9925658

    And then they would be able to easily replicate that technology like every other primitive culture that receives guns right? Funny, I can't think of any primitive cultures that were ever able to replicate guns, they always just kept trading guns for resources that Europe wanted.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:13 No.9925659

    I think you are underestimating the power of human ingenuity.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:14 No.9925684
    Yes they would. When you see it, you understand it. That's why it's simple.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:16 No.9925709

    Great now they just need to figure out impact sensitive chemicals.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:16 No.9925716
    Well no. They won against poland, which was not a power. France surrendered. The british fought, and they lost.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:16 No.9925717
    someone doesn't have dogs. if a dog detects something but can't see it it will go bonkers until someone higher up in the hirerarchy (like the handler) either identifies it or beats the crap out of it for being noisy.

    after the first invisible attack even the nancys will learn not to hush a barking dog.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:16 No.9925725
    >When you see it, you understand it.

    so if i can find a pic of a nuke i can make one?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:17 No.9925739

    They were winning when they went up against their tiny neighbours and France, before the Allies were actually assaulting them in any force. L2war.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:17 No.9925757
    The japanese could. The russians could.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:18 No.9925773

    They beat France. Sure parts of the Maginot line held out but they did beat France. Forcing a surrender is beating them remember.

    They beat the British in the beginning of the war too. It wasn't until the battle of Britain that their luck against the British turned for the worse.

    Initially they made amazing progress into Soviet Russia until winter kicked in.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:18 No.9925775
    bat guano IS highly flammable stuff IRL. so much for you mugeekz.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:20 No.9925805
    Not really. They'll easily find a magical substitute if they don't want to steal the stocks of the german.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:21 No.9925832
    Give me the tools and yes. But a nuke is not a gun.
    >> Freedom Stalker !EnJhCCu3Ns 05/19/10(Wed)20:23 No.9925849

    and a gun is not a crossbow
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/19/10(Wed)20:24 No.9925875
    It should be.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:24 No.9925882
    Like, as I've been saying, ALCHEMIST FIRE.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:26 No.9925917
    which one of the 42? only one came near, yet he survived the explosion that killed almost everyone ele in the room, an of all came out the healtiest
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:26 No.9925929
    France could have fought far more seriously. And the maginot line wasn't used.
    They won some battles against the british, they lost the important ones. They made less progress in russia than they needed, and eventually it was not the winter that defeated them, even though they were not prepared against it (which is stupid in its own right).
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:27 No.9925943
    You mean that liquid substance that violently explodes if it comes into contact with AIR? The stuff that might leak if your seals are not perfect?

    It's a fuckton more dangerous than gunpowder. It's like trying to power your bullets with nitro glycerin. I mean, sure, it works in theory.

    But you're using NITRO GLYCERIN. FUCK!
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:28 No.9925967
    And a crossbow is not a sling, still they have slings, crossbows and firearms.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:30 No.9926000
    The one everyone knows about. He was saved by luck alone, not by counter-assassins.
    >> -|- Reichsguard -|- !!bOOhb8C7gxV 05/19/10(Wed)20:32 No.9926038
    It wasn't luck, more like divine intervention or precognition.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:34 No.9926063
    His suit was ruined, though, so it can't be that.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:34 No.9926083
    if. big if.

    if the germans ever lost the ability to make munitions, they could always just use crossbows too. crossbows are pretty awesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:36 No.9926108
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    ON FIRE.

    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:36 No.9926130
    They can't make chemical explosives in their cave, so it's not really a if.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:42 No.9926252
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    Of COURSE!

    Take an arctic wolf, and SET IT ON FIRE!

    Then, give it a flame breath weapon.

    Make it a Nazi.

    >> Lazarus !!s4aNsOVuwew 05/19/10(Wed)20:51 No.9926437
    More like both sides would nuke Berlin simultaneously.

    The real question is, what happens when the Germans figure out how to make UV flashlights, since Drow weapons, you know, melt in sunlight.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:56 No.9926536
    And their metal armour would too. Shine it on them until it's partially melted, then stop. If it hardens quickly, they're screwed.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)20:57 No.9926566
    depends. are the weapons dammaged by the symbolic pureaty of the sun or some form of radiation?
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)21:01 No.9926639

    Fabricate is an awesome spell guize.

    So, assume the Nazi's level up to lvl. 10 wizards somehow. Now they all learn Fabricate and someof them are gunsmiths and bulletmakers. Magical replenishment without factories.
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)21:17 No.9926991
    >> Anonymous 05/19/10(Wed)21:29 No.9927257
    This is crazy..

    Yes the Drow have industry but its the wrong kind of industry for modern weapons. Granted they will learn alot.. rifling, more stable form of gunpowder and maybe if they really get their shit together bullets.

    But just becuase you have industry doesn't mean you just make an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. People get confused due to the AK and zip guns.

    Reason AK is easy to make is that modern industrial gear is just about everywhere and the AK is just a well designed weapon. It's made Russian easy and Russian stupid.

    If you want me to buy they can just get their slaves to feild strip it and start making copies then the Nazis will have the same ability. They both have the same resources and the Nazis actually made these things.

    So enjoy your Maus..

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