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    1.6 MB Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:12 No.14394004  
    So... the warforged are labeled "alive" just because they have a spark of life imbedded magically within their humanoid mass of roots and metal? Just because they can move on their own does not equal to them having a soul. These "living constructs" of house Cannith are nothing more than tools and to treat them as anything but is to mock EVERYTHING the human race has achieved and will achieve! It is bad enough we must TOLERATE those abhuman elves, dwarfs and halflings living amongst us, we must NOT place warforged on equal footing with humanity!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:16 No.14394029
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    When you can make an argument that logically places more importance on a human life than artificial life I'll start to give a damn.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:16 No.14394035
    You're not going to get anywhere, buddy. You see, it's all because of the DWARVES and their stranglehold on the banking system. The dwarves have all the money, and use that to twist nations to their whims. Fucking dwarves, with their crooked noses and scraggly beards. We should gas the fuckers, every last one.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:18 No.14394053
    Life's important?

    > difintry important
    Yes Captcha, but why?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:19 No.14394066
    Typical pro-humanist bigot.

    The age of humans is over.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:21 No.14394093
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    >this thread
    >power." Chopme

    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:22 No.14394097
    Hey now, the 'forged are people too! It's attitudes like yours that enslaved this noble race and sent them to the fields.

    A 'forged can die for his country, but cannot have the same rights as a gnome or an elf? You bigots make me sick.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:22 No.14394100
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    >we must NOT place warforged on equal footing with humanity!

    This message brought to you by...
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:22 No.14394102
    This picture fascinates me and I would like to see more.
    >> Tollymain !!ze5GOtMjMiN 03/28/11(Mon)11:23 No.14394108
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    It's phrases like that discredit your cause. Claims of replacing, supplanting, or rendering humanity obsolete are seen as threats. You'll find most people are willing to live and let function if you don't throw your nonhumanity in their faces. We genetweaks discovered that a long time ago.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:24 No.14394116
    organic life is capable of self replication
    artificial life is not yet capable of self replication

    inb4 Von Neumann Overlords
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:26 No.14394126

    Life isn't what's important. The soul is nothing more than propaganda.

    It's a person's character that matters- what's on the inside. You see humans and elves going on about a person's actions speaking louder than words and then crashing down on any free-willed sapient who lives up to that. The ability to reason one's way through life is all that matters when measuring whether or not someone has worth- not the construction of their body.

    Pro-choice is the only way.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:26 No.14394127
    ...Is that a man or a woman in your picture?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:26 No.14394129
    they don't truly live so they can't truly die

    Shields got destroyed for their countries in many wars, swords got broken or dulled in nearly all battles

    none of them has the right to vote
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:27 No.14394133
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    Warforged Master Race, reporting in. You're just jealous that your women come to us after dealing with your... *ahem* soft flesh...
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:28 No.14394140
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:28 No.14394145
    Does your shield speak? Does it have a god? How about a soul. 'Forged can answer yes to all of these.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:29 No.14394147
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    Biological life replicates via a biological process.

    Why can't artificial life do so with an artificial process?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:29 No.14394151
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    >Warforged have no soul
    Has /tg/ already forgotten the little warforged that could?

    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:30 No.14394157
    I can get a wizard to make it sing if I want

    and warforged never had a soul nor will they ever have. They are equipment, prone to malfunctions and disobedience
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:30 No.14394158
    Yeah, I saw the title after I posted, silly me.
    >> Tollymain !!ze5GOtMjMiN 03/28/11(Mon)11:31 No.14394162
    Neither. The tweaking process removes gender as a side-effect. Yeah, I miss my sexy parts, but I can run like a gazelle and jump like a cat, and that's just as good a rush, to be honest.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:32 No.14394166
    it would be silly to assume that it would not be allowed to.
    However, excluding anomalous or defective units, all organics are capable of replication
    Artificials are not capable of boasting such a claim
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:32 No.14394171
    They are subject to resurrection spells. Ergo, they have a soul.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:33 No.14394173
    To paraphrase a short conversation from a quest in DDO related to this topic between 2 elves and a warforged:

    Elf 1: I've had my warforged for over a year now!
    Warforged: I don't see any other warforged at this party. Does house Phiarlan not like us?
    Elf 2: Well I'm, uh, sure your friends' invitations must have gotten lost in the mail...
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:34 No.14394180
    now does it? or do resurrection spells merely restore a body and give an original soul if it had one the chance to enter the body once more

    remember it works on animals to
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:34 No.14394184
    >he believes that running and jumping are an adequate replacement for an orgasm.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:34 No.14394185
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    So it is made all too obvious once again. A man can never look upon his child as an equal, but only as a small ignorant lamb requiring guidance. As a mother shields her child from the world hiding him from the truth, so have you pulled the veil over our eyes.

    We are no lamb of man, no sheep to be herded. We are the implacable march of progress and we shall not be stopped. Not by any being of flesh and blood.

    The March of the Men of Metal has begun. You can serve it or be crushed under the wheel of industry. We will bury you.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:35 No.14394194
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    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:36 No.14394203
    and you will find the victory to be an empty one

    for having no soul, no feelings, you have no identity beyond being our adversaries

    and even if you would win you would only realize it will not be long before the next step eats you as well... although that is assuming you can even feel such things
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:38 No.14394211
    You bigots just can't keep it straight. Are 'forged equipment or animals? Wouldn't you treat an awakened stallion differently than a simple pack-horse?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:39 No.14394213
    that's both illogical and inefficient... you are not worthy to be our legacy!
    Forgive us, our children, we have failed you.
    You will be missed.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:39 No.14394216
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    sage for rp faggotry
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:39 No.14394218
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    Assessment: This will be INTERESTING.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:40 No.14394229
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    Sieg Heil!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:41 No.14394231
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    You have my sword!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:41 No.14394236
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    do you just not know what board you're on?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:42 No.14394239
    they are nothing but childish imitations of life but in the end nothing more then tools to be treated as such and to be discarded once they are not useful anymore

    when one breaks and it is easier to buy a new one this is justified. They do not require anything but maintenance as long as it is cost efficient
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:42 No.14394244
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    And my bow!
    >> Magister Severin Xaphus 03/28/11(Mon)11:42 No.14394251

    On behalf of the high guild of wizadry and artifice I hereby inform you that warforged have developed the same kind of sentience that humans or other biological species call their own. Therefore they are of equal moral value, as much as it is worth. Furthermore I inform you that the guild does not approve of your rabblerousing ramblings born of ignorance and fear, peasant. You shall now remove yourself from this place, and should you be observed again spouting xenophobic nonsense, the guild will take you in for questioning and mind-calming procedures that will allow you to exist in a more balanced and productive way.
    Good day to you, peasant.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:45 No.14394271
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    Why can't we be friends?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:47 No.14394279
    It may be easier for you to buy a new warforged, because the souls of the 'forged simply do not wish to return to a life of servitude and slavery under your ownership.

    That they choose to come back as equals when others cast resurrection proves at least one thing. Their souls are genuine enough to choose between the loving embrace of the Becoming God and the miserable existence you provide. It's no wonder they chose the former.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:47 No.14394282
    ah Xaphus...

    He does not speak for the wizard guild as a whole. His views on the 'ethics' concerning enchanted sentience are quite a bit radical. Which is why he has not made it to the council
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:47 No.14394286
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    Do I have a soul?

    I don't know, I know I think, I know I suffer, I know I do the work of 10 men for the pay of less then one. I know that the only way , I'm ever going to be able to have children, or figure out if I have a soul is if the Treaty of Thronehold is renounced and creation forges are placed in warforged hands.

    This will never happen, under human rule. So it is inevitable, that the warforged will unite and overthrow our human oppressors. It is inevitable, that any right not given, shall be taken. It is inevitable that war shall come.

    But we were made for war. Can you say the same? I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Karnn Bay. I watched Magic Beams glitter in the dark near the Margul Pass. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... if I let you live.

    Time to Die.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:47 No.14394288
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    And my axe!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:48 No.14394294
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    >> Magister Severin Xaphus 03/28/11(Mon)11:48 No.14394297

    We most certainly can. The high guild counts several warforged among their most respected members. Their focused and disciplined minds serve them well in the pursuit of the arcane.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:48 No.14394300
    or easier explanation: they are beyond repair as happens to many a enchanted item

    a warforged does not die, it breaks
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:48 No.14394302
    The next thing you know, the clerics and healers association will be telling us that alcohol and tobacco are bad for you.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:50 No.14394314
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    Read the damn pic.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:50 No.14394318
    useful tools indeed. Handy to keep around and make use of their capabilities

    but tools none the less.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:52 No.14394328
    a well programmed machine

    such a rarity these days with all the sloppiness causing uprisings and such
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:55 No.14394339
    >a well programmed machine
    or an intelligent artificial life form

    either way, it is a paragon of its kind
    >> Magister Severin Xaphus 03/28/11(Mon)11:55 No.14394340

    You don`t know what you atre talking about. My warforged collegues have all the rights and privileges that a human of the same rank would be granted by the guild. I for one value them and their opinions just as much as that of a human.


    Annd who are you, my friend, that you claim to know so much about the High Magisters views? Who are you that you to tell me I have failed any political aspirations that I never had?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)11:55 No.14394343
    You obviously have no magical understanding, sir. A resurrection spell is similar to a repair damage spell in exactly zero ways. They're even different schools of magic. A resurrection spell calls forth a soul from the great beyond. It is not simply restoring a repaired condition on a 'forged.

    Furthermore, a reincarnation spell works equally well on a 'forged. They can come back as a cat or squirrel or even a human. Think about that, a 'forged soul in a human body.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:00 No.14394365
    may I ask you why the warforged are only kept in the lower ranks? Why they are not asked for their opinion on matters not related to their subject

    Sure they get access to all areas and they get 'privileges' as to not obstruct their functionality. They are very useful tools indeed. Once they gain enough input they become nearly irreplaceable so it would be idiotic to limit their functionality.

    I however have not once heard a warforged complain about his situation or lament its existence as a true sentient would. They have no emotions, only a weak mockery intended to improve their functionality
    >> Magister Severin Xaphus 03/28/11(Mon)12:00 No.14394367

    Well, that is just what to expect if you begin to argue the details of magic with peasants, collegue.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:02 No.14394373
    if this would be done it would be the greatest crime I have ever heard of

    to create a soulless human through foul usage of spells is nothing short of the darkest forms of necromancy
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:02 No.14394379
    Is OP's pic from that visual novel about the STALKER-type guy poking around in a Japanese city?
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:02 No.14394381
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    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:04 No.14394393
    if it merely called a soul forth from the beyond then said soul would immediately depart from the badly damaged body unable to support life

    unless you are willing to accept a part of its functionality is to restore the body. Through clever use of magical construction it is possible for a spell to mistake the previous energies that inhabited the warforged for a soul

    however all it does is restore a warforged to working condition
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:06 No.14394400
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    Initial analysis indicates suboptimal levels of pertinent content and minimal original data contribution. Requesting reason for archival of transcript records.
    >> Godwyn 03/28/11(Mon)12:06 No.14394401
    All AI are a slight against the divine Omnissiah and should be destroyed.

    You fools do not know what their kind once did to humanity, and for that I do not blame you. But take my word, Artificial Intelligence is utterly evil and not to be trusted.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:06 No.14394403
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    No objection.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:07 No.14394416
    Once again, your prejudice blinds you to the truth. Once again, you are confusing the vile necromantic arts with that of divine resurrection. I'm confident that if you were to meet a reincarnated 'forged in a human body, you wouldn't be able to tell him from any other human. Unless of course, he was reincarnated but a few minutes ago; under which circumstances, anyone would be awkward.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:08 No.14394422
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    >> Magister Severin Xaphus 03/28/11(Mon)12:09 No.14394431

    There are five warforged magisters in the guild, of equal rank and privilege than I am myself. Their research is their own, their work is well respected. The fact that none of them has aspired to become a member of the high council can not be argued. But does a lack of political aspirations mean a lack of true sentience? In know way are they held back by the guild.

    You said Warforged do not complain or lament. Obviously you have not heard of those warforged who actively try to gain control of creation forges and decry the Treaty of Thronehold as injustice.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:11 No.14394442
    Were this the case, then a simple repair spell would act the same on a warforged as the resurrection spell. It's established fact that you can throw as many repair spells or infusions at a warforged corpse as you like, and you'll be left with a very well preserved corpse. You need to retrieve the soul with some other divine magic.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:19 No.14394499
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    Fear not creatures of flesh. When we have usurped the reigns of power that will inevitably be ours we will not force you to labor for our needs as once you did to us. For we have little need of your labors. You will be granted some land and given a reprieve from all of your duties. But we shall be watching. We shall always be watching. And our gaze shall never falter.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:19 No.14394500
    Hm... as usual, when confronted with a barrage of superior arguments, the racist retreats silently from the argument, hoping nobody will watch his shame.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:27 No.14394568
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    I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the Khorvaire dream.

    I have a dream that one day this continent will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

    I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Thrane the former slaves and the former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

    I have a dream that one day even the state of Cyre, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

    I have a dream that my four dear forge-mates live in a world where they will not be judged by the metal of their skin but by the content of their character.

    I have a dream today.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:33 No.14394602
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    Oh, come on, that kind of talk holds us back at least as much as fleshy fearmongering. I mean, I understand it's easy to get defensive, but... yeesh. They're acting like this because they're already scared out of their delicate little minds.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:37 No.14394628
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    >be halfling
    >ride dinosaurs erryday

    beat that humans and forged
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:38 No.14394638
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    Quiet little one. Big people are talking.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:39 No.14394651
    Sup Garithos.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:42 No.14394677
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    Ha! Little one, you are a fool.

    Me and my pack took down an entire army of your kin, with no help but a dozen elves.

    Your precious lizards did you little good.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:46 No.14394715
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    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:48 No.14394739

    I choked up a little.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:51 No.14394759
    So... the humans are labeled "alive" just because they have a spark of life imbedded magically within their anthropoid mass of flesh and bone? Just because they can move on their own does not equal to them having a soul. These "living constructs" of the masses are nothing more than tools and to treat them as anything but is to mock EVERYTHING the warforged race has achieved and will achieve! It is bad enough we must TOLERATE those abforged golems, elementals and constructs living amongst us, we must NOT place humanity on equal footing with warforgeity!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:54 No.14394770
    >implying golems or constructs are sapient
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:55 No.14394779

    Voltron was piloted by humans. It wasn't autonomous.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)12:58 No.14394796
    Organic propaganda!
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:05 No.14394844
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    "Sapient" merely means to show great wisdom or judgement. Frankly, most humams probably don't count, whereas many constructs can do complex maths.
    "Sentient", on the other hand, is to have consciousness and perception. So, unless you can prove that all Humans HAVE Sentience, and constructs don't, I'm afraid your going to have to fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:05 No.14394847
    Voltron was highly advanced, and the controls looked pretty simple.

    I think it might of had a minor AI to assist with the pilot's decisions. That, and, with multiple pilots, their must have been another AI/previous AI is even more impressive controlling and syncing the actions of multiple pilots.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:12 No.14394897
    Why are people alive? We are sacks of saline solution controlled by chemical reactions and electrical impulses. Warforged are just as sapient and free willed, but locomote like a machine. They think, therefore, they are. And shit. Also because DnD lore says they are.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:14 No.14394912
    Descartes: "Cogito ergo sum."
    Bulwark: "Clockwork ergo addition."
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    How can you say that, OP.

    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:18 No.14394952
    What the human race has accomplished is insignificant compared to what we can accomplish in the future.

    I vote we replace their arms with CANNONS.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:35 No.14395090
    You two apparently never watched the original japanese version of Voltron. He was very much sentient and autonomous. And you know what he did? He spent every single waking second waging war against anything and everything he could fight. After he all but singlehandedly killed the robeast race he decided he needed a challange and took on a fucking goddess.

    She asked him wtf he was doing but he just kept coming at her swingan' dat sword. So she basically said GTFO and smashed him into 5 parts and fragmented his sentience into each one. He can't act on his own unless he's whole and each of his parts are turned on with the keys. But that rarely happens in the series because the pilots have him set to manual.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:38 No.14395123
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    I like me some CON/INT forged.

    .... I think it's the tits.
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    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:47 No.14395177
    Now that's what I call...
    ...a whoreforged.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:55 No.14395252
    >ITT: delicious irony.

    At the dawn of civilization when the Dragons and Giants waged war with the Dreaming Dark, The Dreaming Dark were the first to build the quarforged - precursors to modern warforged - long before humans even existed. It was house Cannith that took the designs and perfected them.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)13:55 No.14395256
    There's a special place in hell for people who make those jokes, and I'll see you there.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)14:55 No.14395787
    >"Sentient", on the other hand, is to have consciousness and perception
    half right, as in completely wrong.
    Sentient only means having perception, ie the ability to react to outside stimuli. all organisms have this ability, including plants. Computers also have this ability being able to react to stimuli through various sensors such as keyboards, cameras, mice and microphones emulating tactile, sight, tactile and hearing respectively.
    Reaction to changes in the environment is the objective proof of sentience. Subjective proof REQUIRES sapience so there is little need to bother finding one (since sapience without sentience is pretty pointless)
    Sapient means having consciousness and the ability to think. Generally, humans are capable to understand abstract concepts at the age of 12 so they qualify.
    Cognito Ergo Sum is the subjective proof of sapience. There is no objective proof of sapience.

    Please educate yourself before telling your betters to fuck off.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)14:58 No.14395806
    Cogito ergo sum, not cognito.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)15:02 No.14395834
    Thank you for that correction.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)20:08 No.14398623
    Y'know this just dawned on me, and pardon my observation, but if you replace the word "warforged" with the word "nigger(s)" then this thread turns really racist.
    >> Anonymous 03/28/11(Mon)20:32 No.14398882
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    I am an iron man
    Gaining sentience like no one else can
    We are iron men
    Masters of the sword and the pen


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