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    170 KB Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:48 No.14594217  
    In game we recently encountered a character who made me question the feasibility and our safety.

    She has a strange latent magic that allows her to leech people's actual stats overtime through interaction. So talking with her, causes you to decrease in Charisma while she increases. This is a permanent change, so I'm inclined to believe that all her stats are into triple digits or above.

    This is just a basic summary, there's lot's of different details and circumstances to better explain it, but I was wondering if this was possible, and if so how should we regard her? We encountered her about a few games ago and some of us are leery of coming into contact with her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:50 No.14594230
    Kill the bitch. Kill the bitch with unholy fire.
    >> Thatassholewritefag !!BWiOoj5xMLt 04/14/11(Thu)15:51 No.14594237
    Alternatively. Stay the fuck away.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:51 No.14594238
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:52 No.14594246
    You stay the fuck away from her. Put an ocean between you. If she wants blood then nuke her from orbit. I think you know the answer to this, OP.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:52 No.14594251
    What a terrible thing for a DM to introduce. You permanently lose stats, no warning, without any kind of conflict? Urgh.

    In any case, if you decide to attack her you should not allow saves. She'll pass them all, and the rare chance of a natural 1 can be avoided as easily as one luck feat.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:53 No.14594255
    Lighting bolt wand railgun testfire time.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:54 No.14594263
    Kill it and run.
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    I'm unclear how we would even be able to go about doing that though.

    Despite being considered a villain in the setting, she seems nice and friendly enough, however looming overhead is that constant threat she poses.

    Even worse is in concentrated doses so to speak, protracted interaction. The dumb bard figured she was worth a shot and tried taking her on a date, which ended with a kiss on the cheek and a thank you for the nice time. In that instant, he went down like 5 CON levels.

    As you can see, we have a mixed view of her. Some want to stay away, while others can't let her get away with what she's doing, while others want to interact with her.
    >> Thatassholewritefag !!BWiOoj5xMLt 04/14/11(Thu)15:54 No.14594271
    Gather all ye lvl1 commoners! A worthy target has presented itself!
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:54 No.14594272
    you'll have to launch it from another plane or she'll see it coming with 3 digit stats
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:57 No.14594286
    See, that's just crappy DMing to me. Your DM may as well tell you 'You lose 5 Con, no reason'. No saves, no conflict, nothing. What other bullshit has your DM put you up against?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:59 No.14594293
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    I'm just guessing she's in the three digit stats, it might be much higher. As a common practice she enters towns, and spends time living with the people and interacting with them. Overtime eventually, she'll have leeched everyone in town's stats till they hit zeros and die, leaving a ghost town in her wake.

    It isn't an intentional magic, it's just a property her body has, so to speak. She can focus it if necessary, as was seen with the bard.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)15:59 No.14594297
    with three digit stats?

    Man fuck, you might as well just call it a day and go home- only thing that can stand a chance against that is a god
    >> Thatassholewritefag !!BWiOoj5xMLt 04/14/11(Thu)16:00 No.14594304
    Or a starting group of Solar Exalts.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:01 No.14594306
    It is intentional. She could just... not do that.

    You need to devise a way to destroy her that isn't dependent on saves or any of her numbers which will be arbitrarily high. So ideally, you don't want to roll to hit either. Let's have a think.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:01 No.14594312
    >Some want to stay away, while others can't let her get away with what she's doing, while others want to interact with her.

    I bet if the leech was a man, your party would have killed him a long time ago. Instead, what do they do? Take her out on dates and suffer her leeching ways.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:02 No.14594319

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:02 No.14594321
    Will she lose her CON score if she interacts with an undead or construct for too long?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:02 No.14594324
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    I left out, she's been doing this for hundreds of years supposedly.


    The bard was warned several times by all the players, as well as the DM that what he was doing was a bad idea. And all through the date the DM kept bringing up that he kept feeling weaker/dumber/more depressed, etc...

    Until at least where he had the option of avoiding a kiss, and the DM made fairly clear that the result wouldn't be good, but he allowed it anyway.

    In general I don't think the DM has been unreasonable, this would be the first sort of potential threat like this that we've encountered.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:03 No.14594326
    Well in D&D 3.5 Explosive Runes doesn't allow a reflex save if you are close enough to read it (I think)
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:04 No.14594335
    Convince her to come with you to an alternate plane, and trap her there. If you guys need to be sacrificed to save everyone else, do it. Within a couple of days, you guys will be too stupid to realise you're trapped anyway.
    >> Thatassholewritefag !!BWiOoj5xMLt 04/14/11(Thu)16:04 No.14594341
    I think this is a case where you must travel to the top of DUMBFUCKERY MOUNTAIN and seek the wise sage up top where he will come down and confront this evil.

    Enter Pun-Pun.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:04 No.14594342
    Travel back in time to before she got godstats. Destroy her. End of discussion
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:05 No.14594344
    That's correct, the reader gets no saving throw. So yeah, you could stack a ridiculous number of explosive runes on an object. You probably want it cast at least a couple of thousand times, because she'll have a ton of HP.
    >> 40Kfag from /m/ !!rthE8hgFXea 04/14/11(Thu)16:06 No.14594351
    Kill her.
    Tie her to a tree and leave her there.
    Tell her to fuck off to another country.
    Sell her to an unsuspecting slave market and forget about her.
    Enslave her, put her in an arena, make gazibillions of gold silver and copper. Then sell her for a high price to a slavemaster who wants to profit from her. Flee to the next country before she escapes her captors and comes running for your ass.
    Find the BBEG, abandon her to the BBEG, wait out a couple sessions, and then kill the BBEG with a bowling ball.
    Give her romance novels about courtly life and the nobility. Eventually she'll figure it out and leave to go seduce noblemen.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:07 No.14594353

    alternatively- magma golems

    ... how does this power work anyway?

    Can I have some context for this campaign
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:08 No.14594362
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    No it's not intentional. The effect she has at least. She was unwillingly forced to be the Champion/avatar of a god of decay. The god was to be slain, but in a last act of "Fuck you!" to the world, he picked some person at random and basically poured into them all his essence.

    She turned out to be the one he selected, and didn't even realize it until who knows how long after.

    The alternative I suppose, is simply to avoid people. However then she would die eventually. She's only remained alive by doing what she does.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:09 No.14594370
    Oh right, clearly this is a kill her release god deal.
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    get the bard to date her again, after date give her an amulet of NUKE YOUR SHIT. Let it activate after a certain amount of time ( make sure you are not there),
    aaaaand KABOOM good bye problems.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:10 No.14594375
    Go back in time and assist the champions who were to slay the god and prevent him from releasing his essence.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:15 No.14594420
    Okay... You need to do the following:

    Backstab with an orb of annihilation.

    Keep one in a bag of holding, then jump out of nowhere and pop the bag down over her head.

    Alternately, it's time for either DM fiat mcguffin or some sort of crazy ass PC plan of death. Drop a mountain on her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:15 No.14594421
    but, her continued existance means that hundreds, if not thousands, of people must die.

    is life really worth it, knowing that it must come at teh expense of so many?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:15 No.14594426
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    I have no idea. I think her stats are so high that she doesn't really care if being near them for awhile hurts her.

    At least a few of the other BBEGs are undead, and she doesn't seem to mind spending time around them.

    As for what her stats are, in spending time in a town, depending on the size and type of beings she can go up 1 level in all her stats anywhere from a couple of minutes to a month, depending on how she interacts with them. This is excluding when she makes a consorted effort and can shoot up any number of levels depending on the victim and type of interaction.

    Now, apply this effect for a few hundred years. How high could her stats theoretically get? Some of us figure not too high, others figure it's not even both bothering trying to calculate, may as well be infinity.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:17 No.14594436
    So, what you're saying is, your DM just handed you the greatest weapon ever?

    You need this woman on your side. Quest for some kind of enchantment that, if it can't protect you from her abilities, can at least regenerate the loss of stats over time. Have your bard court her, make her fall in love, become loyal to your cause.

    Congrats, you can now kill gods.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:17 No.14594439
    Not "might as well be infinity" but probably in the thousands, not in the hundreds. Still not impossible to kill, though. What level are you?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:18 No.14594441
    Assuming this thing has reached a moderate epic level (alive for hundreds of years and all that), and has maybe 500 constitution, you're looking at around 4-6k hitpoints.

    Assuming 21 damage on average per casting of Explosive Runes, you'd need about 270 castings, let's say 300 to be safe. (Potentially a lot more if she has any kind of relevant damage resistance).

    You also need to cast them on different (ideally very small) objects and use the area dispel trick, since even with 500+ int I imagine its hard to read 300 things at the same time.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:18 No.14594442
    >However then she would die eventually.
    And not a single fuck would be given
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:19 No.14594447
    >Lifestealing entity that's slowly sucking away your life
    >Can't decide to kill her because she's sucking away at all your mental stats while boosting her own.

    Yeah, you're fucked.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:20 No.14594455
    You still don't need multiple, just cast 500 on a book and then do the dispel trick on it.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:20 No.14594459
    What about one fuckhuge billboard sized Explosive Rune?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:21 No.14594465
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    So now that people have had a chance to read the situation and think about it, am I at least right in assuming a character like this is actually possible? Like, you can actually go over the double digits in stats?

    And then, how should we interact or react to her? Despite being in line with the BBEGs, she's not really with them. I mean she hasn't acted any differently since joining with them. She still just wanders around from place to place, being welcomed in and rotting the place from the inside out.


    I don't think she cares, she just doesn't want to die.


    I don't think time travel will be allowed in this game. And besides, if we COULD time travel, there's loads of other shit we'd do before trying to screw over this character.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:21 No.14594466
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    >>but I was wondering if this was possible,

    No, it's is physically impossible for your GM to imagine and include such a thing in your campaign. It simply cannot happen.

    Anyway, this smells like plot device from a long fucking way off. Figure out how your GM thinks you should deal with her (sounds like you have a curse to lift), or come up with somethign suitably impressive that he rolls along with it.

    >>14594362 However then she would die eventually. She's only remained alive by doing what she does.
    Would a vampire by any other name smell as, eh, bloody? Well, maybe not, but sucking the life out of everyone around to sustain yourself is basically just a bad case of photophobia away from it all.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:22 No.14594468
    How the fuck do you fight something like that, everything you can do she will have foreseen and developed a counter to because of infinitely high wis/int, she will be able to do right as she fucking pleases due to her cha being just as infinitely high making her a magnet for attention no matter where she goes, she's infinitely quick and agile, can withstand having a fucking mountain dropped on her and she can kill everyone by waving her arms around in the general vicinity.

    The only winning move is not to play.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:22 No.14594474
    She's also always going to win initiative. I recommend creating a plane and hopping to it, with a vastly increased time flow, then stacking about a thousand explosive runes on an object. Then teleport/gate to her location so you get a surprise round, where one guy drops the object and the other does the dispel trick. Boom.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:22 No.14594475
    Time travel is best. Figure out how to do it first, then ask if it would be allowed. It solves all your problems.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:22 No.14594477
    This is absurdly interesting. What's the system, 3.5?
    A lot of people in the thread don't seem to understand that her stats might as well be considered infinite. Her hit points are jacked as fuck due to her con score. Her physical attributes should be high enough at this point to lift mountains that only takes 150? Str or some shit. This isn't a creature you fight pre epic levels. This /thing/ belongs in the immortals handbook. It also haS a jacked up int, it knows what you are plotting. What a horrifying being. Her raw cha score is enough to tell you anything and you'll do it in a anti magic field. Her stats are probably at least on actual diety level if not higher
    Yo are those pictures from the s4 artist, op?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:24 No.14594487
    By the rules she's still killable. If the DM just starts using arbitrarily high stats as DM fiat well then, why play?
    >> MS. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 04/14/11(Thu)16:27 No.14594517
    >So now that people have had a chance to read the situation and think about it, am I at least right in assuming a character like this is actually possible? Like, you can actually go over the double digits in stats?


    >And then, how should we interact or react to her? Despite being in line with the BBEGs, she's not really with them. I mean she hasn't acted any differently since joining with them. She still just wanders around from place to place, being welcomed in and rotting the place from the inside out.

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:27 No.14594521
    Go back in time and introduce her to herself.

    Create an infinite drain loop.

    You're going to have to be beyond subtle with dealing with this kind of threat, I think any effort to kill her is gonna get squashed by your DM. You need to go into a situation where you are all at risk, not just her, and end up capturing her in something long enough for you to escape.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:27 No.14594523
    I think you need an epic dispel (to deactivate any magic items she might be carrying) and an epic spell of death with no save.

    Either that or suck the god essence out of her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:29 No.14594539
    You can't use the targeted version of dispel magic by RAW, since you'll automatically succeed on the dispel checks even though you want to fail. The area version on the other hand lets you opt out of the automatic success, but it only dispels one effect on each object in the area.

    If your GM isn't a complete pedant, however, you can probably get away with just casting it hundreds of times on the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:30 No.14594546
    I'm the only one who gets a feeling that OP has only been given one piece of the puzzle, and is now overthinking that one bit waaaay too much.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:31 No.14594556
    You can't kill her, due to her massive hit points.
    You can't outsmart her, due to her FUCKHUGE intelligence.
    You can't ally yourselves with her since you'll die in the process.
    You are fighting a deity, which means you need to cut her off from the source of her power. Somehow. Dropping her into an empty plane might do it, if she doesn't know any spells to get out (which she probably does). Alternately, find a Ruby Vindicator Knight with the GODHAXSPEED build, and get him to throw her into the fucking sun.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:33 No.14594565
    Just persuade her into suicide. Make her feel remorse about her evil ways.

    High mental stats can't save a person from depression.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:33 No.14594567
    Has the DM actually told you that she has massive stats, because with the whole "needs to drain people in order to live" thing, it's possible her own stats are constantly decaying, hence why she has to drain other people in order to live.
    She still might have incredibly high stats if she's been draining faster than decaying, but she might not be as godlike as you're saying.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:34 No.14594571
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:34 No.14594578
    Her skills are also fucked up. She can do shit like fly without magic. She can balance on clouds, jump to the moon. Dive into your ear. All in an antimagic zone.
    Doesn't mean she is unkillable, just hard to kill. Dnd ha nice absolute effects. For example a vorpal sword still instajibs on a 20. Her vision is absolute though, she can see invisible and probably see into the etheral plane with her absurd spot check. So it's not like you can sneak up on her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:36 No.14594590
    Or a single Malefactor with the right charms.
    The Verdant Emptiness Endowment tree and some manner of essence sight.
    See what she takes, make her pay for it.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:37 No.14594597
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    We're like levels 4-9, the game hasn't been going on that long.


    But she's also got potentially 500+ Strength, Agility, etc... even if we can deal out the amount of damage to kill her, will she allow that to happen?

    Plus that would make her an outright enemy, which I'm not sure if we want. Being near her is cancerous, but she's not hostile to us. And she enjoys the company of the bard.


    I think it's not so much a situation of trying to beat her outright, but rather use our wits or planning to find a way of defeating her. Whether that means tricking her, convincing her to do something else, or whatever, I don't know.

    As said we only recently encountered her, as one of the last BBEGs to be introduced.


    That's something I've been very weary of. The current town she's in, the people are all showing the effects of her presence. They're all weak and sickly, anti-social, and pretty dumb.

    They're not unaware of the situation, they've had lots of town meetings and get togethers to try and figure out what's happening to all of them. They can't pin it down, or are too dumb to pin it down on the kind, beautiful, smart girl who's been living amongst them, interacting with them and helping them every day.

    In fact they like her all the more, for helping them in these trying times for them. It's kind of tragic that in allowing her into their homes to cook for them or clean up, or to take care of their children or sing at the Inn or help around at the market, it's only speeding up the process and effect she has on them.

    I consider us blessed that we know what's really up with her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:38 No.14594601
    >You can't kill her, due to her massive hit points.
    Please. By itself it isn't that bad
    >You can't outsmart her, due to her FUCKHUGE intelligence.
    And that's where you are wrong. Remember, any NPC is only as smart as DM is... so he can't be outsmarted in principio - provided, of course, he won't pull "oh, she was on to you the entire time, yah" out ot of nowhere. Though, it sounds he would.
    Oh well. The most feasible solution is either to find out what knocked down the late god and repeat that. Or ally with the opposing god.
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    Use one of these, but don't go for a direct hit, drop it at her feet FPS style, she won't think to dodge but it will already be too late.
    >> MR. RAGE !D9l9S8Lio6 04/14/11(Thu)16:39 No.14594614
    >provided, of course, he won't pull "oh, she was on to you the entire time, yah" out ot of nowhere. Though, it sounds he would.

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:40 No.14594616
    She's going to be like an egg for the god so he can come back stronger than ever. Duh.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:41 No.14594628
    Roleplay out the actual obession you would have towards a character with 300+ Cha, and follow her around until you all die. Then get someone else to GM the next campaign.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:42 No.14594634
    Outside of cheese you cannot beat her. Outwitting her is also impossible. Outwitting the dm sure but not her. Treat her like a plot device not a charcter. She is scenery not something you interact with
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:42 No.14594640
    >health girl, wat do
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:46 No.14594668
    With infinite wis, int, str and dex you can bet she has already recognized the thing and exactly how hard she needs to wave her hand to create a gale of wind that will either detonate the thing before you ever fired it or send it right back in your face.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:47 No.14594671
    You're assuming the the stat increases she gets are permanent.

    You're assuming that you are supposed to defeat her.

    And I'm getting the feeling that if you DM drew a scary face on an oil drum full of nitroglycerin and put in your path, you'd run up and start wailing on it with fire and mace.

    Or your DM is far more single-tracked into dungeoncrawling "only NPCs who matter are those you fight" and has a tendency to create impossible challenges.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:50 No.14594703
    Your DM has pitted you up against his waifu.
    Any and all events that transpire will directly correlate with how much brown nosing DMBJs you do.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:50 No.14594704
    Punch your DM in the dick. With both Player's handbooks


    This. The only counter to faggotry of that level is pun-pun or the like. Of course, if you're not Forgotten Realms...figure out some way to chain gate a shitload solars up in this bitch.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:51 No.14594713
    How is it that no one has brought this up yet? Two Mirrors of Opposition, the bane of ridiculously overpowered Mary Sues everywhere. Just get her to look into them, preferably by Dimension Dooring right next to her so she can't see it coming. What better way to destroy any retardedly overpowered entity than with two entities with identical stats who exist for the sole purpose of destroying the original?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:53 No.14594729
    triple digits?
    This can't be dnd.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:53 No.14594731
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    As some people have posed already, I'm pretty sure the DM wouldn't do anything annoying or stupid. He's a cool guy and knows his shit. If anything, this is just a different sort of challenge he hopes for us to overcome.

    And if all else fails, we can always just avoid her. It's not like she's living with us or traipsing around an Empire's capitol or anything.


    She's still like a normal person though, emotionally and mentally (at least in the sense of functionality, interacting with people and such). She can be approached like a normal person and talked to, convinced into doing stuff (going on a date with the bard), made to laugh, argue with on political ideas, whatever.

    I mean really all she is, based on my limited understanding of the system, is a commoner with ludicrously high stats. At least story-wise that's what she is. She's never received formal training in anything, she's never been in educational systems.

    All she's ever done is just drift from town to town, spending time with people. She may have uber intelligence potential, but I don't think she could know more than what was available in the places she's been.


    I don't think the other BBEGs would be interested in her if she wasn't what we assume her to be. I mean most of them avoid being around her, and at least one of them is a dragon, if not more.


    No he's perma-dead, that's been made distinctly clear. What she has isn't so much his soul or anything, it's not like he impregnated her with his spirit. He just used all his capability and power as a God, mustered into this one curse he put on her. A curse on the world more like, as for her it's worked out rather well.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:55 No.14594744
    Basically, she's effectively invincible and unstoppable. Her stat mods are high enough that her skills are through the roof, kill you with a single attack with the strength mod alone, and is effectively immune to anything with a save.

    And this is only considering her stats. If she took any levels in any spellcaster class, she basically can be assumed to have near unlimited spells up to the highest spell level she can cast via bonus spells per day.

    I don't think it's possible to win against or even effect her outside using some no save spell.
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    We are certain her stat increase is permanent.

    And no, this would be the first "impossible" challenge we've come across.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:56 No.14594752
    First thing is to find some way to protect the party from her bullshit. Construct or undead seems to be the easiest way to go about this, though I'm sure there are plenty others. This is also assuming that this is normal ability drain and not PLOT drain, which then ignore this advice.

    Now that you may/may not be protected, the next step is killing her. Assuming she works like some sort of death funnel for this stat drain, it's a possibility she's picking up more than just beneficial stuff. Emotions and force of personally usually are the in game representation of Charisma, so it's a good possibility she's absorbing those. If this is true, you need for her to absorb a metric fuckton of despair and self loathing. We want her to kill herself, since at this point she seems more likely to be able to off herself than anything else and arbitrarily high Con is eventually beaten by arbitrarily high Str.

    Another idea might be a bit out of reach at your level, but basically involves shoving her through a Gate spell into another plane.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:57 No.14594757

    It almost sounds like she absorbs only physical stats. If thats the case, there's a vast amount of loldickery that you can smack her shit into oblivion with.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:57 No.14594758
    You only unlock the ability to have bonus spells of a certain magnitude at a certain level. No level 7 bonus spells at level 1.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:58 No.14594772
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    I actually think he's more hung up on a lich BBEG.

    Something of a mix between Skeltor and Cobra Commander and stuff, all those cheesy but hilarious villains of fame.

    "I may be undead and have the power of the heavens, but even I do not underestimate the danger of BEEEEES~!!!"
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:58 No.14594773

    I said that:

    >up to the highest spell level she can cast
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)16:59 No.14594782
    Chuck the Ruby Vindicator Knight will throw her and every other BBEG out of the atmosphere, and they can't do anything to stop him.

    Call him in from another plane or something.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:00 No.14594787
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    1. Pick up the (cosmic) telephone
    2. Dial up the Plane of Order
    3. Tell them that you've got a classic case of "breaking reality" and that they should send a squad over

    They'll just keep sending them until she's either dead, or until they give up because of heavy losses. Either she'll die, or it'll be fun to watch!

    >catchpa: icalti mechanical

    Huh. Fitting.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:00 No.14594790

    I like that. Send the bitch to the positive/negitive energy plane. Not much survives that unless they have some serious spell protection and the ability to GTFO.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:01 No.14594794
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    >>14594735 She's still like a normal person though, emotionally and mentally

    And the fact that her very presence is slow death to anything with a pulse hasn't hit her psyche like a runaway truck? Everyone she spends time with is diminished, and if she sticks around for too long, killed outright. You'd think she would be somewhat bothered by this, and if she's so bloody clever, have a good idea about how to fix it.

    Well, either that, or she's gone deep into the "evil" side of the alignment grid.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:02 No.14594799
    Huh. I have to agree here.

    Soooo... That's hard to deal with - but the question remains, is it her who needs to be dealt with? While she is "in the background", she can be essentialy ignored in favor of dealing with BBEGs. Without a doubt, DM is preparing story that focuses on her - so some plot options/weapons would be provided.
    For example, one such a weapon would be "essence of content". What would it be? Something that causes one to lose all the fucks he/it could give and isn't motivated to do anything save his most basic habits (like eating, drinking, looking at the sky - and maybe not even that).
    Other would be "essense of regret" that would cause her regret in full all the death and mysery she caused and become an hero.
    Other would be "decay obscession", where she would be tempted to experience what others were near her up to the point of an hero'ing herself again.
    Messianic route with something like "if she has children, her abilities are passed on/divided between them" is probably possible... on the other hand, scratch that out.

    I do not usually cry "Mary Sue" ,but i am very tempted now, to be honest. Embarassing, really
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:04 No.14594814
    >A natural 20 (the d20 comes up 20) is always a hit.
    >A natural 1 (the d20 comes up 1) on a saving throw is always a failure
    >An incorporeal creature has no physical body. It can be harmed only by other incorporeal creatures, magic weapons or creatures that strike as magic weapons, and spells, spell-like abilities, or supernatural abilities. It is immune to all nonmagical attack forms.

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:06 No.14594834
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    No, it's definitely all stats. She surely has the potential for endless intelligence and wisdom, she just only uses it as far as you would expect in everyday village life.

    Essentially, what sort of knowledge and experience would you get from living in towns and cities as a simple commoner for hundreds of years? That's what she has.

    We've encountered other characters who had much much much less wisdom in terms of stats, but actually experience a wider range of things than she has so were more troubling in that respect.

    Using her intelligence and wisdom she could have pursued things like becoming a master magic user or accomplished scholar in all fields. She just hasn't. She'd rather help people in their bakery, sell things at market, or sweep the floors of the inn.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:07 No.14594841

    Ah allips, silent killer. Or something like that. Great choice, surprised no one thought of it earlier. Here's another suggestion for the "kill that bitch foundation" file.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:08 No.14594846

    She sounds perfectly benign.
    Murder her now before the DM can use her against you.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:09 No.14594857
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    She may have felt that way initially, heck she might have even tried suicide.

    But we're encountering her hundreds of years later. She's still alive and kicking, and subsisting off of people with her ability. I imagine that any sort of worries, doubts, guilts, grievances, or whatever she may have had or felt, she's long since learned to cope with or ignore.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:10 No.14594859
    all the while slowly drinking their life essence until they're as dry as sponges?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:10 No.14594863
    >>14594834 She'd rather help people in their bakery, sell things at market, or sweep the floors of the inn.

    Reducing them all to lifeless husks in the process.

    And she's supposedly bloody clever, s it can't be that she simply hasn't figured that bit out for herself yet.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:11 No.14594869

    Don't forget to animate the body and stick it in a bag of holding which you then put in a portable hole, or some other overkill method of no-rez. Too bad trap the soul is a probably a bit out of your reach.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:13 No.14594883
    Yeah she's probably long since crushed the life out of anybody who'd ever wronged her with her bare hands.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:14 No.14594892
    That would mean she's a complete and utter sociopath.
    Find a way to fix that shit before she decides she suddenly want to take a voyage somewhere.
    Or visit the big city.

    The innocent cosmic horrors are the worst.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:15 No.14594899
    Ok, that's deep, black evil right there. Stick around towns and people for entertainment until the playthings break, then move on to the next one, perfectly aware of what it is you're doing...
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:16 No.14594906

    The part where she has an INT and WIS in the hundreds (most likely given the evidence) means her mental capacities are incredibly huge. Like, 100 is utterly incredible (even Epic Dragons are only around 40ish). I don't quite think the DM understands how fucking insane those mental stats are.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:17 No.14594915
    >shes so kawaii I mean she doesn't even realize she's doing bad stuff she just happens to be so uguu~~ after she kills a fucking town that she goes "welp time to go" and eats another town

    Why the fuck does your group care so much about this? It is obviously out of your league as level 4s.

    Just call in the god that fucking trounced this God of Decay earlier, and see if he still gives a shit. If not, remind him "who the fuck do you think he's going to go after when he's back" and see if you can convince him to fuck up this girl.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:19 No.14594932
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    You know the having kids thing might actually work.

    Not that I'm going to, or going to suggest we pursue that route. But a viable thought no less.

    As for having the plot focus on her, the only reason she's in the story is because we actively sought her out. It's been our intent to, at the very least, identify all the BBEGs. Naturally it would be too difficult or dangerous with some of them, but we learned of one that was just living with people in a town.

    In actuality this was her, but we didn't know so figured we'd check it out. So yes, the only reason she's in the game forefront is because we made it so. We could theoretically just leave her alone. I mean we'd have to deal with her at some point possibly, but it doesn't have to be now.


    If she was actually threatened couldn't she just run away?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:20 No.14594934
    After confirming the autofail on a natural 1 on will saves, there are actually a decent number of ways to kill her now assuming a combination of brute force and blind luck. Enter Magic Jar.


    On her failed save, she's stuck in your little gem while you get her uber body for a few hours. At this point, live out your remaining time recreating Crank in DnD living your life at 999 stats, then near the end of your remaining time, move the magic jar and your old body out of range. This will cause both you and her to die, so it's a noble sacrifice that'll be really fun.

    The only major flaw is how much your DM sticks to the rules because he could just as easily say NO U to the 1/20 fail chance.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:21 No.14594943
    Yeah, I have a hard time imagining her as anything other than some horrible eldritch abomination. Only explanation I can think of with that high an int score is that she's just bored and is playing with people.Or, the DM really didn't think this one trough.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:23 No.14594959
    >I'm inclined to believe that all her stats are into triple digits or above
    >he went down like 5 CON levels
    >I'm just guessing she's in the three digit stats, it might be much higher.
    >making up shit on the fly, don't give full description ASAP

    You might fool the others, but I see right through you.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:23 No.14594966
    Either the scenery suggestion or try to use her like a setting element. Maybe you could create a religion around her and become her high priests. Such a beautyfull goddess... shouldn't be to hard to find followers, just need to get them quicker than they die off. Use the dumb fanatic horde or just let them die peacefully. So ends the world not with a bang but with a whimper. Maybe you can resurrect the god, become herolds of decay. Or find a way you can yourself grow from sacrificing to decay. Bittersweet world ending decay cult, do it!
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:25 No.14594979

    Im firmly in the "DM didnt think this one through" category. If she's been at this for a few hundred years, her stats could easily be 4 or 5 digit numbers.

    You would think somebody would have noticed this horrific cosmic force. Maybe she ate them all...
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:25 No.14594980
    >>If she was actually threatened couldn't she just run away?

    Infinite dex says she could climb atoms, they won't even see where she went off to.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:26 No.14594986
    Either that or she realizes what she is and has become fractured, refusing to truly accept the reality of her horrible horrible powers and playing out these sickening plays of normality in the hopes of one day everything WILL be as it used to be, and that she won't wake up with everyone dead and dieing around her
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:27 No.14594993

    Even if it's a troll, it beats elf slave wat do or other bullshit. Also a fun discussion. Trying to figure out how to take down the absurdly unkillable is fun.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:28 No.14594997
    She is unquestionably the most evil character in the setting simply because she is allowing all of this to happen (fully understanding the consequences) and chooses to ignore it. The only moral solution would be suicide or hermitage. She isn't just a small-town girl who wants a normal life, she is an amoral monster. Her charity is a sick ruse that is either an intentionally cruel ploy to feed or obscenely reckless. Try to convince her to kill herself/leave society. I don't know what kind of setting you are in, but you would think most everything in the setting should be out to erase her from existence so it might be advised to send her even farther away to avoid collateral damage.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:29 No.14595004
    OP, you need to find the Immortals' Handbook on /rs/. It specifically handles this type of absurdity, and several levels beyond. I suggest you start gathering Quintessence now, you've got an apotheosis to achieve and not much time to achieve it in.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:29 No.14595005
    This. Ridiculous solution to ridiculous problem. Then don't let him GM again.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:31 No.14595016
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    I think it's like that too. She has the potential to solve problems and puzzles on the level of supercomputers or higher, but when does she need that in everyday life?

    I imagine likening her to C'Tan from 40k. She has a means of feeding/sustaining herself, and though it's tasteless/boring, it's all she really knows.


    Well it's just life-support I think.

    She's been doing this for centuries now though and hasn't wiped out the world. She's moving at a pace slower than populations are growing in fact.

    As stated, we could very well just ignore her. The world has functioned with her, and will continue to, whether we interact with her or not.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:31 No.14595019
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    > Infinite wisdom
    > care about the insignificant microbes that permeate all existence
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:33 No.14595028
    Yeah, I like the general concept, too, but its too over the top. It's almost impossible to (role-)play something with >40-50 in any given stat when even 20 is more than any mortal can get IRL.
    Only way I could imagine is a Super Sayan on Speed that destroys anything he touches... not quite like that girl.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:33 No.14595035

    I'd call bullshit on that if I didn't know that people can be in some pretty massive denial over things.

    But my biggest problem is this: I assume that the party is good, or at least mostly. So though leaving her alone for the time being sounds tactically sound, you have to admit that she is a mass murderer(or manslaughterer, if she really doesn't know what she's doing), with a bodycount in, well I don't even know how many digits. What do you guys think, thousands, tens of thousands? Hard to believe she could kill more while remaining unnoticed.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:34 No.14595038
    Ignoring her is nearly as wrong as what she is doing. These people are innocent and even "natural" forces can be mitigated for the good of society. Don't tumble into the fallacy that nature=good. Seriously, even my morally dubious characters (never played a paladin) would would probably dedicate their lives to stopping her. Maybe I get too into RP (or am a moralfag at heart), but I'd argue it is metagamey as fuck to simply ignore her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:35 No.14595049
    To be fair, she'd also have supremely high Dexterity to prevent that. Though I'm sure as soon as she had the need her every footstep could bring down a cataclysmic earthquake.

    This. Or just find a way for her to have to fight a Neutronium Golem.
    >> Snapper Carr 04/14/11(Thu)17:35 No.14595050
    Cast Geas on her, tell her to go live by herself around no living things. Never seeing anyone ever.
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    She's not out to kill you so try to help and get her on your side if that doesn't work leave her alone or try to safely hang around her, she been doing this for a long time and everything is fine.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:36 No.14595063
    If she is an avatar of the decay god, find that god's nemesis, or antagonist. Some artifact, that can negate the decay god's power, should negate the ability of the avatar, so you could be safe from the stat leeching.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:37 No.14595070
    That doesn't change the fact that she has enough power to throw entire SOLAR SYSTEMS at you.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:40 No.14595082
    And when the stat penalties for not obeying the geas is hugely offset by the infinite statgains?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:40 No.14595088
    I sincerely hope it's this, because this is actually a good character.... and the alternatives aren't looking so good see:>>14594997 >>14594979

    Also, making her see the horror of what she is doing is probably how I would go about this. Write her a letter, and leave it for her. Make it compelling, tell her the story of some of the people she's harmed, say that you feel sorry for them, and her. Because you have to pity her existence, she never wanted this, and she is missing out on the life she clearly wanted for herself. You feel sorry for her because she will never have companionship, never experience love. But let her know this is no excuse for the actions she has taken, and ask her to quit, by leaving her a gift: A bag of holding, and a portable hole
    >> Snapper Carr 04/14/11(Thu)17:41 No.14595091
    Doesn't matter. They feel a strong compulsion to, and normal Geas doesn't do the ability damage, just normal damage and sickens.

    Also, no save.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:41 No.14595098

    If anything, it would encourage her to drain MORE, to offset the penalty
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    > Make her feel the horror of her ways
    Sorry, but she's had hundreds of years of NOT GIVING A FUCK.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:45 No.14595122
    After you find a way to kill her, have a dirgesinger raise her up and presto. You've got yourself a near unbeatable ally.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:46 No.14595139
    3d6 damage per day and a fortitude save?
    You do realize she has infinite con, right?
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    The BBEGs noticed her, that's why they sought her support in the first place.


    The game's been immensely fun and interesting thus far, I don't see why this one character would change that.


    She sticks to the fringes of society, as said she hasn't hit up any cities for a good while. Mostly it's just little settlements and border towns. Heck sometimes she doesn't even stay if the place is too big or she begins to draw attention. She'll just move on.


    Well it's just where we are in the game, it's like being faced with the concept of decay and expecting us to stop it. We don't condone what she does, at least I don't. But there's not really anything we can do.

    Or at least, before this thread. There's been loads of cool shit so far that people have suggested, that I'll totally look into now.


    But then no matter who wins, the world loses! Trying to combat her in force seems like an exercise in suicide, at least for the country, if not the continent or planet.
    >> Snapper Carr 04/14/11(Thu)17:50 No.14595172
    The spell compels her to do as you say, the damage only happens if someone prevents her from doing it. The damage is not the motivator.

    Also, you guys aren't thinking creatively enough. Just have a paladin charge in with a lance and true strike to hit her and do 50 damage. Wait til she rolls a natural 1 on a fortitude save.

    Honestly /tg/.

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:50 No.14595177
    Guess what? A creature of such impossible charisma is going to have cults springing up chanting her name as the divine goddess. How she managed to avoid becoming the religion of the land is just bad DM'ing.
    > Hurr killing people is wrong
    Do you call your deities a dick when they burn villages and release untold plagues? Of course not, because they are deities and everything they do is right.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:51 No.14595185
    And that's not accounting for the massive int (or cha if you're a sorcerer) drain you'll suffer while casting the spell for 10 minutes.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:53 No.14595205
    >But there's not really anything we can do.
    Bullshit. More than any other BBEG in the setting she is evil, so make her publicly known. You individually can't do much, but you can sure as hell find someone who can. I'm in agreement with the people who are screaming CALL THE INEVITABLES because you could easily find a wizard that could settle that. She needs to be stopped in some way or another. If I were you, I'd be willing to derail a campaign to go on this quest (which could be fun for both the players and the DM), but if you care about legitimately roleplaying, you should try to do whatever you can to stop her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:54 No.14595214
    It looks to me like she's in denial. She probably hasn't been confronted

    Also, measuring her power might prove to be useful, in case she really is something you need to kill. I suggest tricking something powerful into fighting her (hell maybe another one of the BBEGs is stupid, any ork champions on that list?) Seeing her under the pressure of a fight could prove beneficial at any rate, she may show her ruthlessness or something else.... at the very least seeing a 9001 Cha chick slay an army has to be pretty hot.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:55 No.14595219

    >am I at least right in assuming a character like this is actually possible? Like, you can actually go over the double digits in stats?

    Yea, you could have your stats go as high as you want. But for all intents and purposes, this character is basically a god now.

    There is actually a fantasy novel series that has a theme similar to this called Runelords. A person can give another person an endowment of charisma or strength via a magical tatoo.

    The character your DM is using is bullshit. There is nothing to balance her abilities or even allow you to fight her. You might as well kill everything else on that plane so she can't get any stronger, then kill yourselves too so she's forever alone and trapped there.
    >> αlpharius 04/14/11(Thu)17:55 No.14595227
    Get her into a demi plane, find a way to cast Ending.
    Spellcraft DC10, Burn 14800 XP
    Create 3 five foot adamantine cubes that can cast ending as a spell like ability.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:56 No.14595228
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    Get a hold over Wish/Miracle effect and/or spells that involve no saves. It she had over a hundred years to exist the way she does, than expect her to be a LOT more powerful than just high stats.
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    > Killing God
    > Not A god. God.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:57 No.14595245
    I'll eat a bag of dicks if this actually happened in a game .
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:59 No.14595254


    Kill yourself, roll up a sorcerer with eschew materials and minor/major creation and start conjuring up anti-matter. Oughta do the trick.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)17:59 No.14595256
    making her a social pariah could make her face the problem of her wickedness. She certainly wouldn't be accepted into society (without uber-cha shit) and couldn't continue to live out her life as-is. If she had any decency you could convince her to live in the underdark (or wherever your setting keeps its evil things)
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    People love her wherever she spends time, I already said that. Hell, just walking through a town you get kids playing around her, people approaching her asking how she is, who she is, and in general just trying to attract her attention or notice her. Same thing happened with the bard.

    Despite the fact that she is a cancerous presence, people still fight one another to be near her. Not literally fight but you know what I mean. Word of her usually doesn't spread because she kills people that approach her, most not wanting to leave her presence.


    That's a good idea actually, I never considered simply getting the world out about her. Her secrecy is her greatest strength, the thing she cherishes most probably. Getting rid of that though, I'm sure would at the very least, shit up the BBEGs plans.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:02 No.14595288
    >It looks to me like she's in denial
    Why would she be?
    I'd wager the acceptance of the divine part of her nature came to her after some time. As representative/champion/avatar of god of decay she has divine right to decay things as she pleases.
    As for other things she has done or rather not done, i find that wise. After all, why bother when you have all the time? One may as well enjoy doing the stuff you remember doing at more tender age, when people around were ones she actually cared about and everything was new and interesting.
    Inner peace and state of content are wonderful things, really.
    >> U̠e̱̱̯ḇ͍̗͔̙̮e͈̜̩̹r͖͇̻̳mensch !iaBUAKJ.LM 04/14/11(Thu)18:05 No.14595309
    Offer her to be allowed in the party if she wears certain restricting gear (as simple as blindfolds might already work).

    Kinda-good-ish solution.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:05 No.14595312
    >>The alternative I suppose, is simply to avoid people. However then she would die eventually. She's only remained alive by doing what she does.

    It's all moot thought as a geas cannot compel anyone to do something which ends out in certain death, and being all alone kills this gal.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:06 No.14595318
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    Talk to her about it. Ask her if she really doesn't care if all those people die just so she can live.

    If you can't talk her into figuring out a way to destroy herself, then you're fucked.
    In the long run, the entire world is probably fucked too.

    The consequence of her staying alive, living a normal village life for thousands of thousands of years is likely to be a completely empty world with no-one left but herself, ash and dust.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:08 No.14595339
    OP why are you so... ambiviliant?

    You sound like you don't care about how much death and destruction she's caused, and how much she will continue to cause.
    She is DEATH
    And not just death- she's a pied piper th at sends people dancing into their own graves willingly.

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:10 No.14595356
    >> A god of decay
    >> Gets close to people and helps them with their everyday lives
    >> Acts nice to everyone
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    See how she responds to some short-term interaction with boolet.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:12 No.14595379
    >Give her an antimagic field ring.
    >Tell her to feed only when she need to and only on people near death.
    >Settle her in a small and kind village, where she will be welcomed.
    >Go save the world, while she live as a normal peasant in a village only feeding on the ederly who are about to die.
    >Never hear about her again, or until you've actually reached a higher level.

    >Vorpal sword doesn't give a shit about who's neck it is cutting.

    >Turn her against the other BBEG.
    >Get her to save the world.
    >She save the world and everyone like her now, she's not all alone anymore and decide that she shouldn't be killing the world that finally accepted her, suicide.
    >Total Animu ending.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:12 No.14595381
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    The BBEGs are like a consortium of similarly-minded villains, some more appropriate to the group than others. This woman being a good example.

    More or less though, they're comprised of around one member of each race, an individual looking to take over the world or destroy it or something. Essentially the baddest guy or girl from each race, working together. Some of the races have more than one (humans in this case, one of each gender, this woman and a bad guy). But that's roughly the idea.

    All in all though none of the individuals in the group really like each other, so getting them to fight, or even just fight her shouldn't be THAT difficult.


    Start eating! I wanna hear that OM NOMMING over the internet.


    Hey that could also work, throw her at someone we don't like. Heck, she could just subsist underground forever.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)18:14 No.14595387
    It's your duty to the world to destroy her. All your craft as murderous hobos must be bent to this task. I'd suggest suffocating or drowning her. Things she is limited by:

    1 in 20 failed saves
    Max speed (still 30 ft. I presume)
    No save effects
    Incorporeal Creatures

    Personally I'd suggest controlling an allip (has to be actually controlled, she might lolcharisma it otherwise) or other similar incorporeal creature and tasking it to just fucking kill her. Be careful though, don't use any of the undead that create spawn. Wraith or Shadow version of decay-girl might be bad.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:14 No.14595394

    >I'd wager the acceptance of the divine part of her nature came to her after some time. As representative/champion/avatar of god of decay she has divine right to decay things as she pleases.

    Divine? She's a plague. Hell, she's practically Pestilence of the Apocalypse. She walks into a town, it dies because she drained all their charisma.

    If she actually cared about harming people, she would have gotten a ring or something that projected an anti-magic field around her to surpress her Charisma-leeching ability.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:15 No.14595406
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    This isn't a god of decay.
    There are no plagues.
    There are no famines or disease.
    No rotting buildings, rats, or horrid scenes of undeath.
    Just a lonesome goddess walking to town and claiming everyone she meets.

    Entropy? Maybe. Death? Absolutely. Why are you trying to kill death?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:15 No.14595410
    I think that beyond the fact that she is physically the most powerful creature in the world, has enough int and wis to be batman^2 nad terms of preparedness, is that she has such a high char that she could be raping your newborn child with a strapon while everything you ever loved or treasured lies broken and destroyed around her and she laughs histericaly, and if she told you she was innocent and good you'd still believe it.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:20 No.14595447
    Kill off your character then play one of these http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19873078/Hulking_Hurler_build atack from range remeber if you do it right you can split the earth
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:20 No.14595449
    >I think that beyond the fact that she is physically the most powerful creature in the world, has enough int and wis to be batman^2 nad terms of preparedness, is that she has such a high char that she could be raping your newborn child with a strapon while everything you ever loved or treasured lies broken and destroyed around her and she laughs histericaly, and if she told you she was innocent and good you'd still believe it.

    Given some of the responses in this thread, I would say that is already happening.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:21 No.14595459
    She probably doesn't have a lot of actual hit dice or class levels, since she depends on her one trick. Get an army of low-level wizards and/or peasants with Use Magic Device to spam spells that end the encounter right away, like Sleep and Color Spray. Eventually she's gonna fail a save and you can send them in to drown her or Sovereign Glue her airways shut.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:25 No.14595488
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    She consumes life at a slower rate than it takes to spring up though. She's not particular to humans, and she only does one settlement/town at a time, taking from months to years depending on the place. As an overall rule of thumb she follows I think, she prefers to remain at the age she always was. If she over-eats she becomes younger, if she doesn't eat she gets older.

    There's never a danger of her "over-eating" and wiping the world clean.

    Heck sometimes it's not even towns she may target. We're aware of at least one instance where some adventurers int he past tried to kill her, but she was able to convince them not to and she traveled with them enjoying their time together. All the while though she was invariably draining them to death.

    I can't imagine that, spending nights laughing with your good friends over a campfire about dungeoning and dragoning, while in reality you know they're dying because of you.


    We could just ask her to stop, to go away. If she does listen for some reason, things would be fine I guess.

    Once away from people though she'd start aging normally. She would live to what, 90-100 is the average lifespan for a human? That may seem like a long time to us but it's nothing for her. Still though, one way or the other, she'd return to her old ways rather than dying.


    I'm displeased as hell. I would like to do away with her, there's no way she can be viewed as anything less than a cancer on the world.

    But it's kind of like saying "Go kill that mountain." What the heck can I do, a level 6?

    Plus we have to consider that in-character, I have to struggle not to fall utterly in love with her by talking to her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:28 No.14595533

    It's not only their charisma she leeches.

    She drains ALL stats. People get less strong, less agile, less smart, less wise, etc... by being around her.

    All the while she goes up in those stats.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:28 No.14595538
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    > Doesn't disrupt natural order
    > doesn't bring pain and suffering
    > never performs blatantly evil acts

    > cancer on the world.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)18:29 No.14595545

    Doesn't matter. Gacy had no interest in committing genocide on anyone, but he still had to be dealt with. She's the same way, just needs to be treated much more carefully because she's so much more powerful.

    >Plus we have to consider that in-character, I have to struggle not to fall utterly in love with her by talking to her.

    Armor yourself with hate. Use a geas on yourself if you have to.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:31 No.14595552
    >what the heck can I do
    Save up a few thousand gold and buy hundreds of flasks of alchemist's fire. She probably doesn't have any resistances, just really high stats, and you don't have to actually hit her touch AC to do 1 damage to her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:32 No.14595560
    I'm thinking if you're allowed to beat her at all, the DM will probably hand you the only solution.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)18:35 No.14595582

    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:35 No.14595588
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    I just don't think, that we should focus on her right now.

    There's a whole world's worth of material in this game that we can focus on. The other BBEGs, the invading hordes, the warring kingdoms, the civil wars, heck even just plain old exploring and adventuring.

    Or why not go back to what my original intent was, my current character's revenge for the death of my previous character?

    All I'm saying is, do we want to more or less derail the game to deal with this being? While trying to figure out ways to kill her or convince her to do things, we could be heroes of the revolution, riding the high plains in combat against the nomads, or exploring the deepest depths of eldritch dungeons.

    But really, I'll do whatever you guys say. Can't say that the whole group will go along with it, but at least some of them seem interested at the very least, in learning more about this entity.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:37 No.14595607
    >Get her into a demi plane, find a way to cast Ending.

    I'd never seen this spell before.

    Some quick math shows that this would produce around 7*10^254 cubes. At 1 cubic foot each, that's several orders of magnitude larger than the observable universe (~1x10^82 cubic feet).
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)18:39 No.14595620

    I've seen threads like this before, and I'm trying to come up with what benefit you get from posting it. Is this actually happening in a game you're playing in, and you're so passive that you won't actually do anything to harm the DM's waifu? Is there actually no game, and you are posting to have everyone admire your waifu? Are you the DM with the waifu, and you're posting here as a test bed for how people would react? Is this some weird meta-troll that I'm not in on?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:39 No.14595621
    It would take a lot of Allips to bring her down. Not only is her Wisdom very high, but they still need to hit her touch AC. I doubt that her ability counts as telepathy for the purpose of triggering Madness, but even if it does, you'll need to do it all in one go *and* trick her into interacting with them in the first place. Unless all her victims are conveniently coming back as Allips, where are you going to get that many Allips?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:40 No.14595626
    I just had a thought, why is it that when faced with something that seems impossible to deal with right now, people will go to great lengths to try and deal with it right now?

    I mean the vast majority of this thread immediately jumped to demanding the entropic leech girl dead.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:41 No.14595637

    She's not blatantly evil like the other BBEGs it seems though. Arguably only if she realizes what she's doing. Apparently she lives as a kind young woman about town, helping people and living her days happily and carefree.

    Of course, she brings death with her, but she's not just murdering people for sick kicks, it's done in self preservation. In a horrid way to be sure, but not blood-bloodcurdlingly evil.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:43 No.14595653
    What race is she, op? If she is a mortal, then she should be dead. I don't care how high your stats are, if you are a mortal that has "lived" for hundreds of years, the only one I can think of is Elves that live that long. If she isn't something that has a natural lifespan that long, I'd be worried about her being undead. Perhaps a lich.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:43 No.14595658
    > She does it for self preservation
    that means the power she gets will fade over time.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:43 No.14595661
    Found a religion based on her as a messiah, the empress of humanity. Tens of thousands sacrificed to her daily to sustain her strength as she wages never-ending war on the enemies of mankind, an age of... waaait...
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:43 No.14595662

    Actually, I think OP has been giving us the obivous answer to what she is, because every chick in the pics he posts, have eyes that STARE INTO YOUR GODDAMNED SOUL
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:44 No.14595671
    I guess in theory you could do it with one Allip if she has no way to outrun it and no way to get her hands on a magic weapon, which seems unlikely. But even then, you can't acquire an Allip unless the DM allows one to exist in the setting, much less get it to do what you want.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:44 No.14595676
    The OP stated that the leech effect keeps her at her current age.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:45 No.14595681

    You probably also think vampires are beautiful creatures that are just misunderstood.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:45 No.14595685
    You wouldn't be much of a hero to just ignore this horrible evil.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:45 No.14595690

    Uhm, for the Empress? Not a bad idea though, she can headbutt anything out of existence if she puts her mind to it.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:46 No.14595692
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    I just came in here asking if this was an actually possible character, so if it wasn't I could call bullshit on it to the DM. If it was, then are we right in being leery of her?

    Apparently anything is possible by the DM, which was answered relatively early in the thread, so my main question was settled. Everything after has been people discussing and posting their ideas and opinions of the situation.

    An added bonus to my original intent that I've ended up with a lot of possibilities on how to potentially end her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:49 No.14595712
    Huh? I'm not saying that undead are good or appealing; it just appears like this one particular undead would be useful in this situation if OP could somehow get one to do what he wants. Maybe that's against his alignment, and that's fine - there are plenty of other suggestions for how to deal with this.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:55 No.14595750
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    She's human. Draining people just keeps her alive.

    As stated, draining too many and she gets younger, potentially as young as a baby. Not draining people and she ages as she normally would. She seems to prefer the age she's used to, which appears to be around 18-25.


    If I wanted to do that, I'd post this pic.


    Haha oh wow.

    You know, that's something she might actually not be opposed to. I don't think she wouldn't mind attention if it was positive. And theoretically, with all peoples of the world accepting of her, she could just wander around spending only limited time in each place before moving on, all the while acting as the protector of the world.

    Her time spent in your city is just like a tax to be paid to her for watching your ass.

    This might actually work. Don't know if I'll do it, but it's totally viable I think.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:58 No.14595772
    Given that she maintains her age with this leeching, she leeches life-force or lifespan or some such fluff shit.

    She's infinitely wise and intelligent, and she's been around for hundreds of years.

    She's basically a sentient force of nature now.

    If you stumble onto a method to kill tornadoes, good for you. It's still better to just get out of the way then go looking for one.

    Especially if the tornado in this case can get angry at you.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:58 No.14595778
    Not possible that it's unintentional. If it was just a natural thing, then her mother would have died while she was still a developing fetus.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)18:58 No.14595779

    She's 'possible' in the sense the the DM can make up anything he or she wants. Is it good for the campaign for the DM to get his waifu fantasies out in a game? Probably not.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)18:59 No.14595781

    Not saying that that one isn't creepy, but lokking in to the eyes of >>14595381 this one gives a sense that there is something wrong with her. Her eyes seem... dead
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:02 No.14595803
    Oh, derp, didn't read that far. Ignore the post I made a second ago.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)19:02 No.14595804

    >You know, that's something she might actually not be opposed to. I don't think she wouldn't mind attention if it was positive. And theoretically, with all peoples of the world accepting of her, she could just wander around spending only limited time in each place before moving on, all the while acting as the protector of the world.

    Yeah, whatever. If she really cared enough to do that, she would have done it by now, considering that she's probably smarter than everyone else on the planet combined. She just wants to continue killing people to feel good. SHE'S FUCKING EVIL, DON'T TRY TO SET HER UP AS EMPRESS.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:04 No.14595817
    I wonder, if she actually had children (assuming someone could survive coupling with her), would her children be born with comparable stats to her? Or would it just be like a commoner?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:05 No.14595824

    naw dog.

    they would be vampires.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:06 No.14595838

    >Waifu fantasies

    It's entirely possible that the group may never have encountered her at all.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:12 No.14595897
    Her stats should be in the middle tenths. Character stats should increase exponentially, and not geometrically. it is way harder to go from 18 to 19 than to 10 to 11, at least, it happens way less. The idea of a direct transfer of stats is retarded. So, if she sucks three points of intelligence from a simpleton (int:7), she could go, let's say from 1078 to 1081? She must probably suck a lot of stat points to gain a new stat advancement.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:12 No.14595901
    If overfeeding her makes her regress, then shove as many people as possible down her throat- get that army of level one hobgoblins and send wave after waves of them at her towards she nothing more then a zygote
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:13 No.14595909
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    No idea about the stats.

    The curse would be split between her and children though. As it was a finite thing that the decay god poured into her.

    I suppose theoretically, after having enough kids she would no longer have the curse. In this way within a generation or so of her own created family, the curse would just cease to exist.

    As someone said though, no one could survive something like that with her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:13 No.14595916
    Did the DM ever actually say that she gains the stats she drains? Did he just allude to it?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:15 No.14595932
    Might just be the art style.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:16 No.14595946
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    It's definitely not 1:1 transfer. But she's draining like 500-1500 people at any given time.

    I think that's how it works at least. The only time I'm aware of it being direct is when she kissed the bard, because she was focused, one on one with him.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:17 No.14595955
    Bum rush her. It doesn't matter how high her stats are. Enough people attacking at the same time can overcome her.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:18 No.14595961
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    We know it from documented events and historical context.

    Also when the bard got drained, she literally went up 5 CON levels, as he lost.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:20 No.14595983
    Lock her in an inescapable prison, but with free licence to roam it as she sees fit. Maybe occasional nice things to keep her occupied.

    Throw condemned criminals in there every once and awhile.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:20 No.14595989
    In like a thousand years or however long, going at her rate, wouldn't she just reach a point where by simply breathing, she'd destroy the planet?
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)19:23 No.14596020

    >As someone said though, no one could survive something like that with her.

    Death Ward protects you from her, that's not the problem. The problem is all the peasants she's been killing.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:27 No.14596067

    How exactly do you get information from historical events? That seems...odd. Also, you can you tell she gained the points? Makes no sense.

    Given a couple hundred years of living, a single point of attribute gain a day, works out to +40000-120000. That's...completely off the charts retarded.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:38 No.14596193
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    People, adventurers and heroes encountering her or places she's been. Smart people piecing it together, etc...

    As for the rate of gain, it isn't always 1 a day, sometimes more sometimes less. It varies depending on the place, the people, etc...


    Unless it was like another realm or something, I don't see why she would want to stay confined in a place like that. But I'm sure there's something we could work out.

    Heck, could put her just a normal prison. If, IF she really only does what she does for subsistence.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)19:39 No.14596204

    How? She'd just break out by punching.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:41 No.14596224
    I can DEFINITELY see people killing themselves instead of being drained away.

    There was a thread here a while back about a player who had their character commit suicide to avoid becoming a vampire, after all.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:44 No.14596251
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    Well I meant like put her in charge or something. Not confined, just there, subsisting off prisoners.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:46 No.14596279

    Outside of shenanigans with RAW abuse a peaceful solution seems to be your best bet. Woman is a literal force of nature here in terms of power. There's no beating it without epic/divine levels of power.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)19:46 No.14596283

    Why put a 1000-year-old serial killer in charge of anything?
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)19:47 No.14596290

    >Outside of shenanigans with RAW abuse

    Perfectly acceptable response to this kind of waifu bullshit.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)19:51 No.14596322
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    Well I think I should give it a game or two, and find out more things about her and the situation, before acting upon anything seriously.

    I just hope the bard survives that long. Idiort.
    >> αlpharius 04/14/11(Thu)19:54 No.14596363
    Point of the spell, it fills the plane with adamantine cubes. Everything else is crushed into nothingness
    >> αlpharius 04/14/11(Thu)19:57 No.14596391
    Von Neumann machines, but with MAGIC.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:01 No.14596426
    I don't understand - even if she drains strength from a billion humans, she shouldn't be anywhere NEAR strong enough to break a mountain.

    Consider: let's say an average human can lift 50kg.
    In order to be able to lift 1 cubic kilometer of water, you would need to drain the strength of ((1 ton per cubic meter, 1 billion cubic metres per cubic kilometer = 1,000,000,000,000)/50 = 20 billion) humans.

    There is some haxing going on here.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:03 No.14596441
    If I was a demi-god all your lowly human worries and pragmatic stat crunching would just bored me and make me want to crush you >:D

    Where is the reckless romantic ideals, ah so dull.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:04 No.14596460
    Sounds like a recipe for an all-consuming black hole.

    How do magical entities interact with black holes?
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:04 No.14596461
    She isn't draining strength, she's draining stats. And strength in particular has an exponential growth curve in what weight you can lift at given strength values.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:09 No.14596504
    I... see. Sounds like breaking the fourth wall to me.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)20:19 No.14596609

    If there is actually a game, then it's likely the DM told them how impossible it was for them ever to hurt his waifu.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:27 No.14596694
    Wait...god of Decay? But decay doesn't...absorb. Obviously she's decaying as well. If she's isolated for a few [insert large time-frame here], she'll wither away.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:35 No.14596786
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    You're facing with an almost impossible to kill being with almost nothing you know about, who just wander around killing everyone that stand around her and get along with her.

    Wait a minute...

    Alternatively, if your dm tell you she is not the lady of pain that got out of sigil. Then your answer is the lady of pain, arrange a meeting between the two, one will take care of the other.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:37 No.14596807
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    I thought this character sounded familiar. If your DM has seen Wagaya no Oinari-sama, then she's a pale oni.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:42 No.14596834
    Oh shit. If this were possible, it would be a hella great idea.

    >Girl talked into staying in Sigil
    >Lives there for a few months, draining people's stats
    >Lady of Pain gets pissed because she's hurting the civilians indirectly/she doesn't want her city to become a ghost town

    Whoever loses, we win.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)20:43 No.14596841

    Rather, since the Lady is relatively benign and can kill people with more than merely high stats, this might be the best way to deal with waifu.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:48 No.14596884
    Get her into an enormous city. Fill as many people as you can in her sucking radius.

    The more she eats, the younger she gets; de-age her to death.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)20:49 No.14596899
    Yeah... no this is absolutely stupid.

    Your DM is a self-important bitch.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)21:01 No.14597029
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    Get the fuck out.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)21:08 No.14597106
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    Yes, if she isn't around people, she starts to age as she normally would. She's gone for periods for reasons where she stayed away from people. Each time when she reached around 90 years old she had to return to feeding lest she die.


    Is she in normal 3.5?


    I think if she reached a point where she too young enough, she would probably flee. Like, unless you threw a mountain of people on her, such that they're so close then she might not be able to escape and so might youth-anize herself into oblivion.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)21:10 No.14597128
    Singularities can be emulated in D&D, right? I don't care how fast a bitch can run, nothing escapes black holes. Now just fill it with her and people. Or just her, whatever.

    Or uh, I guess this is where other planes comes in to play.
    >> Richard Motion 04/14/11(Thu)21:11 No.14597139

    Nope, still here.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)21:29 No.14597305
    what if you got a god of creation and rebirth to do something similar to your bard? Instead of leaching stats, he could generate them. Then you'd have 2 demigods in your party. She could hang with him and feed off just him.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)21:57 No.14597548
    And get infinitely more powerful? Yeahno.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)22:03 No.14597593
    This is the way to go
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)22:07 No.14597627

    Wouldn't that be an endless progression?

    At that point, they've got each other, and can subsist off one another indefinitely. Then why would they care about the world or anyone else anymore?

    Makings of BBEGs if ever I saw it.
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    There aren't really gods around anymore in the setting.

    I mean they're there for sure, and people worship them and all. But they don't really come down and interact with people and live among them like back in the day when she was cursed in the first place. Around that time, was the decline of things.

    The decay god wasn't content with that, so made her to carry on his legacy in the world. Or at least, that's how the stories go.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)22:13 No.14597688
    Has this been archived yet?

    If nothing else, it was a riveting discussion on many a thing.
    >> Anonymous 04/14/11(Thu)22:25 No.14597798
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    If you have an NPC that is immensely intelligent, you should pull shit like that. In the same vein, if a player's character is smarted than the player, the DM should offer insight into things the player might not have figured, but the character woud.

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