Power Tessen?
Instead of not wearing a helmet, the higher ups could have that Mempo(?) grinning demon Mark-15 Fondorian Helment, or some shit

So what kind of force would they send to a Crusade? Maybe X amount of guardsmen regiments led by a company sized force of Rising Sons led by a Shogun (which would represent a Company Captain) and an honor guard of first company units.

>>14638189
Each Marine would be assigned a house (each one like the different clans from the Edo period) and if their planet is attacked they must defend that house at all costs. When they are in the regular companies (2-10th) they don't wear back banners but when they're in the 1st company they wear back banners showing what house they belong to.

>>14638259
The Shogun would be the chapter master.

LOL... Im that "some fag" and have been helping out with the creation... and I totally approve of the entire process.

As for the "different" color schemes for each company, I was figureing that the first company would have one color scheme, while the rest have the a different but same one. Isnt there a few chapters that do that?

Also, as for the Chaplains, instead of Worshipping the Emperor as a God, they see him as a holy ancestor... The first of the first. They look to him as a shining example of what they should/need to be. (Gotta love shinto)

Naginatas are two handed... Lets see if we can keep it one handed to go along with the rules a bit more maybe? Or make it an upgrade to them?

Ah, well. Daimyo as company captain.

>>14638295
OP, here. I hope you've learned your lesson on /tg/'s opinion of Japan-related things. We welcome your input, comrade.

>>14638295
We could build them by the Grey Knights codex. The naginata would be a nemesis halberd, which is two handed.

>>14638295
In deathwatch they would probably be like the Storm Warden's Claymore and be an option for them to take when creating their character.

>>14638285
I dunno, in my opinion, I think the lesson should be that once they enter the Rising Sons, THAT becomes their clan and in the grand scheme of things, their feudal clans' ambitions are petty compared to the Imperium. Also, space marines from rival clans having to train and fight side-by-side is a pretty near concept.

>>14638259

Now there is an interesting idea. They take in a lot of recruits and use them as shock troops in guard regiments raised from their recruiting worlds. Companies of space marines then lead these guard regiments as well as fighting in the manner befitting space marines. This means that their fleet is bigger but it means they can function independently of other Imperial military assets which normal space marines have to avoid due to their lack of numbers. Naturally this brings them into conflict with the administratum and some guard leadership

>>14638359
I wonder how useful recruits from a feudal world would be as guardsmen...

>>14638369

It's not uncommon. Plus they can receive extra training in transit.

>>14638310
It was a terrible troll attempt... I dont do it often but hey... its in the thaught though right? Besides, look at what it wraught.

Daimyo would be the Chapter Commander, Shoguns would be the captains.

Daimyo=Head Honcho

Shogun=Military leader

>>14638359
The guard regiments also fight independently and are highly sought after as allies in combined operations due to their combined forces training.

>>14638385

Nah. They only fight alongside the marines. Their numbers are too small and they're connected to the chapter fleet.

>>14638382
You have it backwards, bro. The daimyo were clan leaders. The shogun was the supposed leader of the military and dictator of Japan. There was never more than one Shogun (at least there shouldn't ought to have been), while Japan had hundreds of daimyo at a time.

>>14638408

The guard regiments are specialised in tactics that complement the space marine way of war. Static defence and such. They're the anvil with the marines being the hammer.

I read the previous thread this morning and I like the idea but we need a drawfag to do a Tau Firewarrior pointing at a Rising Sons marine and saying "look at that weeaboo faggot!"

>>14638433
We still haven't realized that the Eldar are the alpha-weeaboos?

What are the equivalent of ashigaru here?

Imperial Guad?

Shouldn't their ninjas be, you know, Imperial Assassins?

>>14638440
ok, Tau and Eldar would be even more ironic

>>14638449

Assassins are way beyond the means of a space marine chapter

>>14638449
Pffft, why have Imperial Assassins when you can train your own?

My main concern with this is the name. "Rising Sons"
Really? We're going off a pretty unimaginative pun?

Your right I do have it backwards.

So... What kind of powers/abilities would the Shogun/special characters have? Or am I jumping to far ahead?

>>14638433
>>14638455
Tau aren't based on the Japanese. They are based on the Chinese.

>>14638464
Yep. Welcome to 40k. This kind of cheeziness is right up their alley.

Oh god why I'm having a boner no no you must finish your Black Templars fight off your sengoku fever no don't look at your Oda Nobunaga figure no NO NO

...

Well son of a BITCH.

What heads do I use to convert these guys to look like Japanese? I can pull off some japanese with the White Scars characters ok, but what about the regular marines?

I need some asian plastic. Where doI find this shit?

>>14638440

Because they're not.

>>14638359
The Daimyo would be in charge of the whole force but the IG general attached to the group would deal with things like handling the administratum and coordinating efforts from space. Really the general would be a glorified aid for the Daimyo but would make sure the regiments were in line. I would assume also that the Captains and the general would sort of form a bond to where the general would know what the Captain would want in terms of dealing with higher ups and flak he would get from different agencies.

>>14638483
Really, now?

There better be a battle barge Yamato.

>>14638533
FUCK YES

>>14638487

The regiment general would probably be the equivalent of a favoured retainer. Someone who has proven himself extremely competent but was never able to become a space marine.

>>14638464
Because if anything chapters should be based off of puns. I mean really, do you take any of them all that seriously?

I will have them with their normal helmets for the most part. There isnt really anything wrong with em, and I REALLY REALLY Hate helmetless figures. I wont use em.... but that doesnt mean I wont pretty them up to look right royally japanese enough.

>>14638359
>>14638487
>>14638551
Would each Company have a few regiments of guardsmen that serve under them? So that the Captain and retainer can form a bond over time of working together?

The IG wasn't supposed to be Imperial WWII Japan?

>>14638583
Considering the homeplanet is supposed to be medieval, I don't think so...

>>14638593
They were meant to be WW2 Japanese. In the other thread is was thought that the Rising Sons protect a shrine world and a few other planets that have different levels of tech.

>>14638581

Yes I wager they would. They'd be reinforced over time with more people from their recruiting worlds but the overall structure and regiments would remain the same. Each one attached to a specific house company.

>>14638610
That sounds good. The Rising Sons can govern their own sector, like Ultramar. The space marines can come from the feudal world and the IG can come from the 1930s-40s Japan world.

>>14638593

Even feral worlds contribute to the guard

>>14638627

Marines can recruit from more developed worlds. I imagine they'd pick anyone with a spark of talent and throw them into the regiment they raised as assault troops. To see them prove themselves.

Personally I think it would work better if it was WWII IG with feudal Japan infighting. They didnt fight each other ALL the damn time, and that would not be in the Chapters/Imperiums self interest. Why would you trust a Chapter with holy relics/shrines if the world they were on was let to be in turmoil and infighting all the damn time?

The retainers would probably stay in orbit on a battleship relaying battle information and casualty reports to the captain while also telling him how other units are faring.

I always thought that space marines had complete authority of their worlds.
Such as they can raise regiments if they want to or not and be as involved as they want, without the administrtum being involved

>>14638677

It varies. Some worlds such as more developed ones are governed normally. But some are adeptus non and under the complete control of the marine chapter.

They will have a planetary PDF sometimes if the marines maintain a sufficient tech level. Fenris for example may have a limited PDF drawn from the few technologically advanced enclaves on the world. While Macragge has a fucking huge PDF because its developed

>>14638718

Oh forgot to mention. While these worlds have a PDF which may obey the marines. But dragging them around is time consuming and will step on the toes of the Imperial Guard who hold a monopoly on military might in terms of mundane humans.

>>14638769
That's what the retainers are for. Since they are generals they can tell other IG officers to fuck off and let them handle their men. They make it look like they're in charge for other IG generals but really they're just doing what the Captain told them.

use space wolves rules, so you can get your scout-ninjas

and +1 strength for your master crafted power katanas

>>14638797
So the IG general deals with everything political while the Captain fights the wars?

>>14638653
Since we're establishing that the Rising Sons have domain over an entire sector, we can have a shrine world as well as a feudal world and a WWII Japan world. Here's how I see the feudal world:
An entire planet modeled after Sengoku Japan, mostly clusters of island with few large land masses. The Rising Sons let the clan lords govern their own territories as long as they pay their taxes to the capital province, where the Shogun resides. They encourage war amongst the clans to breed the finest warriors.
During battles of special importance, the Shogun may send representatives to observe the battle. The clan generals will inform their troops that the Shogun's men are watching and to fight their hardest. The most outstanding of warriors will be called to serve in the Shogun's personal clan, where they will be trained to be space marines.
Occasionally, a clan lord will get over-confident and attempt to attack the planetary capitol and take the title of Shogun for himself. Of course, these attacks invariably end in failure, but it isn't uncommon for the Rising Sons to recruit from the clans of these failed attacks. If a man is brave enough to fight a space marine, imagine what he'll be willing to fight as a space marine!

Anyone think of a name for the IG regiments?

>>14639141
Ashigaru.

Curious gentlemen.
History has found that there were some European elements (long before the dutch arrived) Correct me if I'm wrong. But i think there were some Europeans, mostly Scandinavians and Anglo Saxons who went to japan or some part of Asia as a form of exile. If this is correct, might we include this aspect somehow?

>>14639228
Considering it's a negligible aspect of Japanese history, I wouldn't recommend it. I think we're pretty much set on feudal Japan and WWII Japan.

We seem to be forgetting the discussion of SUMONOUGHTS

>>14639141
Ashigaru would probably be the best bet.

My thoughts on Chain of Command
Shogun(chapter Master)
Daimyo (Captains)
Samurai (Sergeants)
Whatsjapaneseforbrother? (Battle brothers)

One thought: What if we made this a VERY melee oriented army. Like all units can take close combat weapons melee oriented.

Cause if we went with that I was thinking that each type of unit has a different CQC weapon. Standard brothers have katana-esque swords, Terminator marines have Naginata(could probably use grey knights bits for these), Devastators have Yari, and assault have No-Dachi

>>14639269
YYYYEEEEEESSSSSS

António Bocarro, 1635:

>The Japanese

>"The strength and courage of the Japanese in arms is such that there is no nation whatsoever which would dare to invade Japan; likewise their self-confidence and pride is greater than that of any other people yet discovered, wherefore wheresoever they go they are universally esteemed for their courage, and have proved it in deeds"

You heard the man.

>>14639269
Dreadnoughts with two close combat weapons?


Also: Chapter emblem
I was thinking one "chapter" emblem on one shoulder and a company emblem on the other

>>14639260
Gotcha, it was just a thought.

>>14639271
I'm thinking it should be more bike-oriented. And it should have at least a healthy corps of regular-joe bolter marines.

>>14639271
Historically, the signature weapon of the samurai was the bow. Bushido is the way of the horse and bow, so it went.

So why don't they use some sort of bolter-bows? Maybe a heavily modified model of bolter that's fired like a bow?

>>14639305
Or just bolters. Bolters are good, too.

>>14639305
Not sure about the bolter/bows.
What if we didn't use bikes, but some animal native to the planet instead? Could be the reason they set down in the first place

>>14639320
How about a bolter that just looks kinda like a bow. Or one with slightly better range.

I refuse to acknowledge this chapter unless you find some way to incorporate the horro.

>>14639335
Just because the homeplanet is medieval doesn't mean the space marines have to reflect it completely. I think it would be better for them to just have bikes, but with a bit of samurai flair, like mounting the heads of worthy foes around them, like the samurai did. They should be really into headhunting.

>>14639289

That have rule which makes them better at fighting walkers/monsterous creatures, and better at close combat in general

But we already have Katana Angels

>>14639337
Sounds kinda sketchy. I can't imagine making a gun-bow hybrid that doesn't look ridiculous.

>>14639305
No.
Bushido was a code of conduct.
Half the bullshit in it wasn't invented until later anywho.
'
The art of the bow is called kyujutsu, and the horse is bajutsu.

>>14639376
Yeah, I realized that was stupid as soon as the post went up.

>>14639305
Let's keep it simple, man. Remember they're space marines, not just any old space samurai. They still have to keep the basic space marine aesthetic and fucking about with the most basic of space marine weapons would kind of throw that off.

>>14639376
Bowcaster

Just some thoughts on fluff (i'm terribad at names):
Three major planets at three stages of development
>Kytoro
>Heavily industrialized, not hive or forge however
>Produces most of the chapters wargear
>All major areas are controlled by forges/smiths/whateversoundsgood
>Every 4 years, the various Forges "Bid" for the honor of producing the chapter's wargear through a period of intense conflict between them. The forge that captures the most terrotory is deemed to have constructed the best quality equipment and is thus awarded the contract. Techmarine are usually from here


>Okasa
>Medieval tech level
>Classic Sengoku age japan on a worldwide scale
>In order to avoid wasting too much manpower, war is confined to certain parts of the world for a duration of time deemed necessary by the chaplains. Due to the intense rivalry between clans encouraged by the chapter, these conflicts generally require a small show of force on the part of the chapter to stop

>Hiiro
>Shrine world
>The spiritual home of the chapter
>Home to several cults that interpret the Emperor in different ways
>Warfare is usually considered a "Holy War". Guns are frowned upon by some sects and embraced by others. To avoid undue damage to the shrines and temples, the wars generally consist of duels between champions or take place far away from the cities. The sites of the major battles tend to result in the foundation of a new shrine on that spot by the winning side, with the usual end being that the losing side's temple falls to pieces and eventually returns to being part of the landscape. this results in an eternal cycle of shrines being built and falling to pieces.

>>14639517
I'll admit, I'm kinda diggin those backstories

>>14639437
Crossbolter.

A variant of the classic bolter, the crossbolter utilizes bolts that are slightly longer than the Imperial norm.

This gives them much longer range and a highly explosive impact. The chemicals needed to compensate for the longer shells, however, are taxing on the crossbolter body and tend to throw off the weapon's alignment from the enormous back-blast they exert when leaving the barrel.

The Rising Sons, being enigmatic and focused on excellence by nature, have earned the ire of the Adeptus Mechanicus on numerous occasions for their unsanctioned modifications to existing weapons.

>>14639517
>Kytoro

That can't be spelled in hiragana.

Correct it to Kyotoro and call it a day.

>>14639555
I like this idea. Heck, since the rounds cause a lot of wear and tear, I'd imagine that they'd have great respect for the smiths and such that repair them.

The mechanicus probably wouldn't approve though

>>14639575
Meh, just trying to make it sound vaguely japanese. Kyotoro it is

On color scheme: What should the standard scheme be?
I was thinking a red/brown scheme with black on the belts

Librarians = Shugenja?

>>14639642

I guess I'm thinking in stereo types but I just assumed it was going to be a white/red set up.

>>14639642
>>14639673
It was discussed in the other thread and the major colors were black gold red and white. A lot of stuff was taken from Date Masamune, who the chapter master was going to look like.

>>14639673
From what I know about the Sengoku period, here's how I see it:
Samurai supplied their own armor, so there was little uniformity. They would generally just have banners with the same design as their Daimyo to indicate alleigence
The mass produced stuff for the non-samurai, however, tended to be black though there were 1-2 clans that painted it red to psych out their enemies.

how about ronins?

We could have some sort of modified ronin?

Like when a Marine fails a mission or is otherwise dishonored, he is cast out form his clan.
Some would join in a special company of sorts.

Some would set out solo and either join the deathwatch as blackshields or just wander around on the sector's planet and fight until one of the daimyo deems them worthy of joining their clan.

Maybe some could wander the imperium so you could use them in dark heresy/rogue trader/ deathwatch games as lone wandering marines

Probably with unusual weapons since they couldnt afford power armor without their clan's backing

>>14639376

Play Painkiller man

>>14639642
I'm thinking black with gold trim and white shoulders. Gold under-armor, too. It's somewhere in the last thread.

>>14639835
I was thinking Black body, red legs, white shoulders, black trim

>> mfw I see ashigaru & samurai, but no mention of bushi
Kind of like talking about nobles and peasants, but using the word 'noble' when 'knight' would be more appropriate.

>>14639797
samefag here

They could be called wave marines


I like the idea of a space marine with primitive equipment enlisted by a lord of okasa to battle his ennemies and advice him in strategic matters

>>14639797
Ronin might be assigned to Deathwatch kill teams by their chapter to make amends for their failures. If you return from your time in the Deathwatch then you will be welcomed back into the chapter kind of thing.

>>14638478

So the rising sons preferred enemy rule is the tau?

>>14639945
...I like this

>>14639945
>>14639951
make it so!

if you want bows, why not just have them shoot "power arrows" from a bow?

>>14639861
Because samurai were bushi, bushi just means warrior.

>>14640170
I think the while bow thing is trying too hard. Bolters will suffice.

>>14640177
well you could have some of them using power bows or someshit while the majority use bolters

>>14640191
>>14640150
>>14639591
>>14639555
Entire concept tries to hard. And makeing them would be horrific. They are a Marines chapter, yes they have bolters.

>>14640177
>>14640506

I concur, these guys are still Space Marines after all, let's not get all special snowflake.

>>14640506
>>14640573

Oh thank the Emperor! I thought I was the only one who thought the bows were a bad idea.

>>14639945
I think you are onto something there.

So long as no one's agreed on a color scheme, I'll throw a modified version of my previous scheme in. We'll see how it goes.

We gonna save this thread for future use?

>>14639517

If there is a Shrine World there would likely be Sisters there.

Shrine Maiden Sisters?

>>14641633
Quiet, you! Before the weeaboos get wind of this!

>>14641633

I could go for that. Shrine Maiden Sisters would be cool and there are not enough Chapters with a good relationship with the Ecclessiarchy.

Huh. Thought everyone abandon the idea already.

>>14641793
I'm conflicted about the pauldrons. I think they look good, but you can't really put the badge on them when they look like that.

>>14641832

Back banners for that. Or the kneepads.

On the subject of deathwatch rules I think they should have the show your colors flaw. prideful Samurai proud of their colors sounds right to me.

>>14641984
We already roll the flaw in last thead. Got Eye to Eye. They said it fit since fighting one on one and killing the enemy by yourself is honorable.
The rolling stop at Solo Mode abilities.

>>14642040

haha whoops. ok then.

>>14642046
I agree about the Colors flaw though. It also fit with the chapter since it got the back banner thing too. But taking two flaw would be...I don't know. Strange.

>>14640170
>> all samurai were bushi
Nope. Samurai were servants.

You had;

Hinin - the people who carted dead bodies, shit, etc and were too unclean to notice.

Heimin - farmers, labourers and the like.

Samurai - split into different ranks and positions.

Hinin and heimin were too uneducated to keep records, so you also had samurai that spent more time with an ink brush than a weapon. These samurai were not bushi, but they were definitely samurai.

Ok... back on subject a bit... Who cares about haveing two different flaws. Yes it is a little bit of Special Snowflake there, but it actually fits...

Besides, how many character flaws does the Blood and Dark Angels have? I mean besides the players?

http://www.fanfiction.net/s/2441330/1/Honour_and_Sincerity_The_Crimson_Guardians

You know, I'd found this fan chapter a while back and was wondering if /tg/ would consider this weeaboo. Considering the response to the Rising Sons, certainly seems not.

>>14645739
Weeaboo means Wapanese, or white people trying to emulate the Japanese. Japanophiles, if you will. So why would a space marine chapter based off the samurai be weeaboo?

>>14645754
After the corruption of the world and the general Japan hate, I'd figured people might be unreasonable.

>>14645760
Did you not know this chapter idea rose out of a thread about weeaboo hate?

>>14641633
>Shrine maiden sisters

My dick is hard

>>14645776
Yea... was my reaction too.

And I was the one that made the origional thread. Fail troll is fail.

>>14645776
And let's make them a form of abhuman that makes them look like loli catgirls! And they turn into magical girls! Their duty is to protect the shrines from the evil tentacle monsters that lurk the planet!

>>14645793

Actually I was serious. Shrine worlds have Sisters and Shrine Maidens made sence for space japan.

>>14645152
Right then. I'll add it to the list.

I was going to make this shit.

Anyway, kabuto hırns on a normal SM head look awesome, just try it.
Also try Hakamas.

One shoulder of the armor should be not standard shoulder but like the ones in actual Samurai armor (rectangular)

Also I always thought Imperial Fists descent would make more sense- there's a guy who wrote "A Book of Five Spheres" or something in the ImpFists.

>>14645816
We're pretty much set on White Scars descent.

>>14645797

So...St Celestine is a magical girl? Because Sisters totally have magical beings they turn into already.

>>14645820
I suggest a mixture between White Scars and Imperial Fists.
(Heretical, I know, but would give us a larger basis to work with)

The idea of having a pauldron made like the samurai's armour, rectanbgular is good, however, I'd rather have it twisted to look like a Samurai's pauldron and a SM's one, i.e. SM design, Samurai texture/scales.

Also, CAPES for the Captains, bearing the hearaldry of the chapter in all it's glory.

>>14645882
Don't mix, influence.

White Scars descendants who have cooperated and dealt heavily with the Imperial Fists.

>>14645882
Nah man, It's gotta be the samurai coats.
Speak of heraldry, have we decided on an actualy badge or are we sticking with the rising sun? I think some kind of mon would fit best.

>>14645825
If by magic girls, you mean the kind of magic girls who get their heads eatten by giant clown ball things, then yes

>>14645907
Oh are we going to add that Daemon of Tzeentch into the fluff? Have it go around the planet corrupting the population by trading their soul with wishes.
>>14645904
Each company use different badge depending on the house that company is from. Though there's no standard badge yet.
Last thread someone propse that we should just use chapter motto in Kanji instead of standard badge.

>>14645904
I'd go with no.48 tbh.
Perhaps the helmets would be a bit more like the originals? Well, at least the upper portion, the face would still have the "Vox box" and such.

>>14645904
Just slap on one of those strange japanese flag thingies they used to have strapped to their backs

>>14645820

You are aware that Mongols =/= Japanese right?
White Scars should be crazed barbarians on bikes jumping on top pf ppl's heads, not Samurai.
Anyone interested in Samurai culture should have jumped on the existence of that "Five Spheres" book.

>>14646269
Yes, but both were asian horse-archers and thus both chapters are bike-oriented. A descendant chapter doesn't have to take on the culture of its original legion.

>>14645946
Is there a way we could make a mon-style aquila?

>>14645933
I think the important part should be the unified badge. We don't want to get too special snowflake, you know.

>>14646598

Unified badge but with different markings for same clan warriors.
Also Samurai used bows yes, but they were not mainly HORSE archers. Mongolians, Turks etc are the kings in horse archery.

>>14646867
Yes they were. Not during the Sengoku era, but the samurai DO have origins in horse archery. It was their primary form of combat up until the 15th century and still used beyond that!
They even make a sport out of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK7XdnIeH24

>>14647106

Yes they have roots in archery, but foot archery was more commonplace. Meeeeh, doesn't matter anyway.

>>14647156
NO. IT. WASN'T. There are a legion of historians who will disagree with you.
But I agree, it doesn't matter.

>>14647156
In the early period when they were primarily horse archers you've got to remember "battles" were more like skirmishes and "armies" were like 20 guys.

So, considering that, their roots as horse archers makes a lot more sense.

As armies grew, horse archery became less commonplace.

Rising sun badge? Mon badge? How about a Rising Sun Mon badge?

>>14647932
The sun should be half-circled at the very bottom with the corona extending upward. The circle around it should also be red.
How do the rest of you feel about this?

Give them special rules like the Black Templars (who also try to represent that same social class).
Namely, don't let them take scouts, but allow them to field Neophytes in their regular squads to represent Ashigaru.

Or alternately have them use lots of Scouts; refluff as Ashigaru.

What about being the successors to the Salamanders?

They get good forging skills, a dragon theme and dark skin.

Some Sallies like Tu-Shan have very Chinese names

What happens when the Rising Sons encounter the Tau, will he venerate them as his spiritual liege?

>>14648700
Probably

I think the Japanese have more in common with the Japanese being white, elegant and graceful.

>>14648665
We already set scouts as ninjas.

>>14648676
White Scars, bro. Asian bikers.

>>14648700
See: >>14638503

>>14649078
How bout no

>>14649577

>>14649577
>>14649599
We've submitted that the Tau have Japanese influence. It just doesn't match up to the Eldar in Japanese influence.

>>14649599
>>14649577

ah cool, wish I had more clean scans. The ashigaru image comes out nicely

>>14650217
This thread's just about dead. Fresh, new thread here.

>>14650082
>>14648713
>>14650009
>>14648700
I thaught we were past this. Stop it.

>>14647243
>>14646541
>>14646269
>>14645933
It had been decided a LONG time ago that it would be the White Scars... Too late to change it now.

As it stands, I would make it a fast attacking army, but not relegated to JUST bikes. I kinda like em with Jump Packs myself... but that is just me.

>>14645816

You could use two Tau shoulderpads for marines.