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    11 KB Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:55 No.14778980  
    >mfw I've never been to /tg/

    The fuck is this board anyway?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:56 No.14778999
    The last bastion of the Damned.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:56 No.14779006
    You know all the other boards? It's like that. Sometimes we talk about RPGs too.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:57 No.14779007
    Are we supposed to talk about Monopoly or Risk or something? Or even more traditional games like Tag or Duck Duck Goose?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:57 No.14779008
    Brotime: The Board
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:57 No.14779015
    It's a board about Traditional Games.

    But mostly WH40k.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:58 No.14779017

    If you want
    All the time

    If you want
    >Duck Duck Goose
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:58 No.14779020
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    We discuss RPGs and tabletop strategy games, among other things.

    Think of the best worksafe board on 4chan you know. Now imagine they have less to argue about, and are more friendly in general.
    >> Deathleaper's Fangirl !!YD/t8+iuFvd 05/01/11(Sun)17:58 No.14779025
    If it involves dice or cards in some way, odds are it's /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:59 No.14779030
    supposedly role-playing game, miniature wargames, card games, and board games go here.

    but in reality /tg/ is all Warhammer 40k, all the time.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)17:59 No.14779035
    And occasionally come up with awesome ideas.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:01 No.14779053
    when you want great stories, ask /tg/
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:01 No.14779055
    Nerd shit.

    Like video games with less vidya. You know, before they sold out and went all mainstream.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:01 No.14779060
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    We also provide the best quest threads, collaberative building threads, idea threads and xenophilia porn on-site.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:02 No.14779064
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:02 No.14779066
    WOW! This sounds like an excellent place to hang on my downtime.

    There's finally a place I can talk about all the DnD stuff I've been developing for a personal campaign across three moons of a gaseous planet!

    Or maybe that Harry Potter RPG I've been building from the ground up. Gave up on that one long ago though...
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:04 No.14779078
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:04 No.14779082
    also we apparently talk about how great we are a lot.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:05 No.14779092
    that pic reminds me of the 5d time chess ruleset we were working on.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:05 No.14779095
    /tg/ has world of warcraft threads now, it's shit. Also wh40k is bad.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:05 No.14779096
    Well, we're not /b/. And we're not /d/. We're certainly not /v/.

    I'd say we've got a whole lot to be proud of.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:06 No.14779100
    Well if you share your Hp RPG plans at the right time on the right day and the stars align, there's is a DEFINITE possible chance that /tg/ could maybe HELP YOU GET SHIT DONE!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:06 No.14779110
    ...So Craps and Poker are /tg/ related?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:06 No.14779112
    Yeah, we're pretty pretentious. In reality, we're okay.

    You want to get a feel of this place? Here's some handy links.
    Our personal wiki: 1d4chan.org
    Our personal archive: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:07 No.14779117
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    We also dump images at the drop of a hat.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:08 No.14779121
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:09 No.14779132

    technically, but I've never seen a thread about it last very long.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:09 No.14779140
    I seem to recall a couple of weeks ago there was a thread about a Harry Potter campaign setting where muggles had become aware of wizards, and how each side would fare against the other in all-out conflict.

    It reached the bump limit. That was a good day.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:10 No.14779147
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    There's also a small handful of videogames we talk about because:
    A: /v/ Has no taste and
    B: they're /tg/-related, even if only tangentially via genre, theme, or origin.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:10 No.14779149

    I was trying to develop a Dsystem from the ground up, but before I quit working on it I thought D20 might just work for it, but the mechanics of Harry Potter are entirely different!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:11 No.14779154
    technically, but chances are you may want to give the thread a little more to stand on. perhaps "traditional card games general" and begin discussion on some games.
    Who know though, maybe a straight up Poker thread would fly if the right people are on.

    The point is, don't feel discouraged if your first attempt at a thread doesn't go perfectly and have a hissy fit thread after about how /tg/ isn't doing it right.
    sometimes the content is right, but there's just not enough people on at that time with an interest.
    (that doesn't mean spam it 50 times a day, be reasonable with us, we can be bros given the chance)
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:11 No.14779156
    This is correct. A quick demonstration:

    Strawberry jam is the best jam.
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:11 No.14779160

    The scariest thing about timechess was that it was almost actually playable.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:12 No.14779177
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    As far as most boards on 4chan go..
    /tg/ has only a small amount of trolls and other idiots. In most cases, the trolls are simply just bringing up controversial topics like edition wars or things people don't want to talk about like Poni RPGs

    Speed-wise, /tg/ is easy to keep up with. Not too fast, not too slow. Even at peak hours, it will still take a while for a thread to go from 0 to 15.

    /tg/ tends to hold itself in high regards, sort of like /co/ where some people hold to the idea that /tg/ is this super efficient think-tank that can take any idea and refine it to perfection. In reality, that's only true like... 5% of the time. Most of the time, it's just a bunch of idiots faffing about.

    Also, Warhammer 40k permeates this board to it's core... But this board was made to contain the 40k discussion, so I guess that's to be expected.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:13 No.14779181
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    We're also known as being fairly friendly here. Sure, we rage and hate at certain things, but we can also be very civil in our discussions of serious topics. We even have our own secret handshake to identify ourselves offline.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:13 No.14779182

    I was going to ask if the old Apogee games might be alright to talk about on here... I've played Raptor: Call of the Shadows, Duke Nukem 2, and Commander Keen 4, 5, & 6
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:13 No.14779185
    With all the different wizardry skills you can expect from Harry Potter, you might be better with a CoC style BRP d100 system. You would probably have to scrap the magic points and sanity systems, however.

    Man, I love CoC.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:13 No.14779188
    I agree with your statement. I believe I shall go have some now, on a pancake.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:14 No.14779197
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    this is a always related rule when posting here.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:14 No.14779199
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    We specialize in the written arts and storytelling, like a massive circle composed of campfire circles all simultaneously linked. We often tell tales of gaming sessions, like pic related.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:15 No.14779207
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    /tg/ is about veering off topic as hard as possible.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:15 No.14779214
    Okay, I know that I'm playing right into your hands now, but apple marmelade is superior in all ways. It goes with fucking anything. That or... what's the english word... cowberry? Lingoberry? Anyway, yeah, cowberry jam.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:15 No.14779216
    >strawberry jam is the best jam
    >mofos don't know 'bout blackberry

    A real man mixes apple, peach, strawberry, and blackberry to make the ultimate mixer jelly.

    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:17 No.14779229
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    We love making stuff. new games, new rules for existing games, updated versions of old games, new settings, just about any creative concept you can imagine connected to traditional games can be found here at one point or another.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:17 No.14779230
    >And we're not /d/
    We're close enough.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:17 No.14779232
    Strawberry preserves are better than jam.

    And only if you have white wheat bread armor.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:17 No.14779234
    Someone post Old Man Henderson.
    You'll see what /tg/ is all about, OP.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:17 No.14779236
    I'm not dumping images of strawberry jam for that.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:18 No.14779239

    You're all fucking heathens. Seeded raspberry is the only possible option, to be replaced with boysenberry if not available or some gutless coward wants seedless.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:18 No.14779244
    You are incorrect. The best jelly comes in 10' cubes, is nigh-invisible, and scours dungeons consuming everything in its path.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:18 No.14779245
    Harry Potter, eh? Let's see if I can dig up anything relevant...
    Similar vein: http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Scholomance
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:19 No.14779249
    I normally don't eat organic food and actively avoid it, so don't call me out as a fag for saying this:
    There is the brand of French organic blueberry jam made with cane sugar that you can buy at most American supermarkets is the best jam every. I love that shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:19 No.14779261
    Not anymore. Not with the janitor fagging things up.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:20 No.14779268
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:20 No.14779273
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    Posting Old Man Henderson.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:21 No.14779275
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    We were close enough.
    I miss those "Smiting succubi with my penis" threads.
    Also, this image will cause a discussion, not because of the girl, but because how useless seem to be her clothes and the goggles on her head.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:21 No.14779280
    >I normally don't eat organic food

    Okay I really wasn't gonna post in this thread but what the fuck.
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    >mfw I don't know what Old Man Henderson is about
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:22 No.14779285
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    For the record, once you get on the raspberry jam bandwagon, strawberry jam seems bland in comparison.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:22 No.14779288
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    They're not on the main list, but yeah, they should qualify. In fact, if you like Raptor, ask around about Planes and Mercs.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:22 No.14779289
    apricot preserve here, yall niggas aint shit
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:23 No.14779299
    Really? You can buy organic blueberry jam? Welp, don't I feel silly for buying inorganic blueberry jam all my life!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:23 No.14779302
    You played it on five boards at once that interacted with each other. In theory it was playable, but it'd make your brain explode three times during an average game.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:26 No.14779324

    Is the best board of 4chan i used to be in /v/ and /a/ but this one board is fucking hilarious.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:26 No.14779333
    The janitor was a pretty heavy-handed response to massive porn-floods and /b/tardation. It did its job, but the loss of 'Bitches for Tulsa Doom' threads was a bit of a morale hit.

    Technically, almost all food is 'organic'. Or did you specifically mean the 'grown by hippies without any concept of modern health practices or production methods'?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:27 No.14779335
    This stuff is made with sugar rather than corn syrup like most jams and jellies. I'm not saying it is good because it is organic. I'm saying that the one I'm thinking of that is the best in my opinion is the French organic one.

    Organic food is bad for the environment. Don't buy into their eco bullshit. It is better for the environment to just buy non-organic food. Farming organic is very inefficient in terms of land use. It is sad that people are mixed up and think that organic food is better than regular food in terms of its impact on the ecosystem.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:27 No.14779345
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    Somebody mentioned that we take responsibility for certain computer games. These foremost include Dwarf Fortress (a strategy game with a nigh-incomprehensible interface) and Space Station 13 (an RPG with rediculous quantities of devastation possible, and a nigh-incomprehensible inferface).
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:28 No.14779359
    >Or did you specifically mean the 'grown by hippies without any concept of modern health practices or production methods'?
    This one. The 'certified organic' kind. When people say 'organic food' they always mean the poorly-thought-out-hippy-scheme definition.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:28 No.14779360
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:29 No.14779370
    I love how /tg/ likes both the righteous and the wicked, the simple, idealistic characters, and the villanous, "just as planned" ones too

    Example of thread derailed into awesome storytime:

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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:30 No.14779386
    I've noticed most of the other boards seem to love us.

    I've seen massive /tg/ threads in /a/, /v/, and /co/ with zero trolling or sages. Not long ago a fa/tg/uy had a massive manga city image dump in /a/. I think they had a blast.

    People just like /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:30 No.14779388
    Jesus Christ I just checked wikipedia and they really do. What the fuck, this term is utterly moronic.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:30 No.14779389
    >These foremost include Dwarf Fortress (a strategy game with a nigh-incomprehensible interface)

    you forgot to mention that it's the struggling that makes it fun.
    >> northern /k/ommando 05/01/11(Sun)18:31 No.14779391
    >The fuck is this board anyway?
    what it fucking says at the top. traditional games. you know, games that involve dice/cards/boards/roleplaying/moving small soldiers around a map or gaming table with terrain and shit.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:31 No.14779394
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:31 No.14779400

    Pff. Duck Duck Goose is the shitty new edition. Everyone knows Duck Duck Swan was the best.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:32 No.14779406
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    Organic food doesn't have any health benefits, and because you need more area to cultivate organic food products, it's damages the environment more than non-organic.
    By the way, organic/non-organic food is an issue unrelated to buying local food or Fair Trade products, both of which should usually be supported.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:32 No.14779410
    What have we told you about going full retard?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:32 No.14779412
    not sure if want...
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:32 No.14779414
    /transgender/, for all who wish to be the little girl
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:33 No.14779420
    While hippies are failing at the whole growing food end of things, there is also the problem of food miles. Get some organic lettuce from Chile in the winter triple wrapped in plastic...that shit sucks for the planet.

    on the other hand, having a few berry bushes in the back yard, picking a whole bunch when they are ripe and making your own jam is a LOT of fun. If making jam is too much work (and it can be, takes time, practice and shit) just freeze em. Who cares if you used some pesticides and fertilizer?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:34 No.14779438
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    Who doesn't?

    Be adorable, get away with anything, have hot lesbian sex.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:36 No.14779452
    >the problem of food miles
    I read a paper that showed that this concept is bogus.
    It produces less CO2 emissions to grow food wherever it grows best and ship it rather than have people grow locally. There are exceptions to this based on what exact produce you are buying and where you live, but generally it is better for the environment to just ship things in from where they grow best.
    And I'm assuming that 'better for the environment' and 'minimizing CO2 emissions' are the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:36 No.14779454
    I uh... hubbubba ubbu dub... duh doh huh...
    I don't what what to sayuhhhuuurgh hroonk hrrrrnk!
    It's like I've been reborn, only in the Fukushima Reactor, and the radiation levels have perma-drained my Int score into the negatives.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:37 No.14779460
    I think the most appeal of 'organic' foods is that you're pretty certain that the meat wasn't taken from some creepy chicken that can't even stand up because it's genetically modified to grow 10 times faster and such things.
    It's not sanitary but more of a "My money isn't going to an evil megacorporation bent on world domination by food"
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:37 No.14779469
    I have a small garden with some blackberry and raspberry bushes and I usually grow some onions, potato, green peas and pumpkins. Shit's delicious.
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)18:39 No.14779478
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:39 No.14779485
    That's common sense. I don't think anyone has reasonably suggested growing pineapples in northern Siberia, for example.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:40 No.14779491
    >What is /tg/?
    >Argument about jams.

    ...I love you, /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:40 No.14779492
    >genetically modified to grow 10 times faster and such things
    There is no transgenic meat currently sold in the world.
    You need better sources for information.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:40 No.14779493
    Soja beans, my fellow greenfingered gent. Soja beans.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:42 No.14779509
    Ok, then what lesson are we to take from the concept of food miles?
    Regardless of where you live, most crops should be grown far away and shipped to you in order to minimize CO2 production per mass of produce that you get.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:42 No.14779513
    Actually, from nature's perspective, us humans are utterly incapable of harming it. I did some calculations with a friend awhile back, and we came to the conclusion that even if our entire specie united in the singular goal of destroying the ecosystem, permanently... we'd still fail.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:42 No.14779514

    And the natural improvement on that would be to be a well-hung futa. Best of everything.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:42 No.14779517
    I'm explaining why it's appealing, not why it's reasonable.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:43 No.14779524
    I'm sorry, we're trying to have a jam discussion without all that ideology bullshit and only look at the hard facts that make jam delicious.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:43 No.14779532

    Of course it is, it's just going to a subsidiary company of a mega company that also feeds 8 legged chickens on nothing but bonedust, vitamins and radioactive heavy metals.

    Same with fair trade. It's all a scam. Not only does the premium price in shops nowhere near reflect the price paid to the farmer, but the whole scheme is laden with various social engineering contractual obligations that effectively monopolises local markets for whichever company happens to enter that area.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:44 No.14779535
    It's not about destroying the ecosystem though. It's about making it wobble hard enough for us to be affected as well. Also ethics, which is a difficult topic.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:44 No.14779536
    Even though most organic food corps may be subsidiary of those evil megacorps or so overpriced for what they offer, they may as well be.

    tbqh, if transgenic meat became safe and viable, there'd be another food revolution like the introduction of the potato to Europe
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:44 No.14779543
    There's more to the environment than CO2, though I agree that plants are best grown where they grow best.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:45 No.14779549
    People take the 'frankenfood' lies seriously?
    God damn, people. Get your shit together.
    No transgenic meat is being sold, no animal-to-plant transgenic plants are being sold.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:46 No.14779557
    Oh, I'm all for that, what drained my Int was the part where I learned for the first time that dumb fucking hippies have a term for their moronic attempts at sustainable living. And that it's a term which has been generally accepted by the public.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:46 No.14779558
    Not discussed enough
    >Wizardry 8
    >ohshit, downloading now since I lost the cds years ago
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    We like DorfFortress, SS13, and Haven&Hearth.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:47 No.14779565

    I still don't buy it. Unless you are talking about growing meat cultures in a vat. Then yeah.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:47 No.14779570
    We don't need to disrupt it permanently to fuck ourselves.
    The environment will live on, but not necessarily in a form that is easy for us to survive in.
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:47 No.14779573
    Bollocks. Meaningful production of CFCs at worldwide mass industrial rates with the sole purpose of their emission in harmful positions and the conversion of all nuclear power, weapons and waste dispersed into the atmosphere, mother nature's going to be smarting for a good while.

    We're pretty impressive.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:48 No.14779577
    well of course the point is to preserve the ecosystem in a state in which it will be able to support us without much fuss. Clearly some sort of life will continue to endure long after last human being has departed
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:48 No.14779582
    Define "permanently". Are you being literal or talking about a scale meaningful to the human race?
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:48 No.14779588
    Very true, if you have people who want what they want where they want, but want it to be made/grown locally.

    The key is to eat local food, that WAS MEANT TO BE GROWN LOCALLY! if you live north of the mason dixon line? no more citrus, pineapple, bananas ect.

    Not mad at you, just mad at people who think they can half ass being better for the environment by throwing money at it, rather than making concrete changes to their behavior, and sacrificing things they take for granted.

    well, yeah, life will find a way and all that. but if every country launched and detonated every nuke we have, wouldn't that put a really big dent into how the environment works now? altering it so radically that it would be unrecognizable?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:50 No.14779596

    I'd eat vat grown meat. I eat that shit like no tomorrow.

    I wonder if you could order special designs, grown specifically for you. Like the online-shops where you print your own t-shirt. Imagine eating a steak grown to be a perfect representation of your own head... delicious.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:50 No.14779598
    Jams are small-time. Fresh fruit is the way to go.

    Pomegranates are god-tier.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:50 No.14779600
    Ethics? It's simple. Humans are aware of the fact that other beings are aware. Beings other than humans aren't aware that other beings are aware. This means that they have no reason for being merciful, since they're incapable of it. US HUMANS however, are capable of empathy, and so, harming others for profit where it could be avoided for just SLIGHTLY less of a profit... that's monstrous. Truly and utterly abominable.
    Next topic?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:50 No.14779603
    >mother nature's going to be smarting for a good while.

    Doubt it. Evolution works faster than you'd think. Did you know that the industrial revolution in England affected the color of a certain kind of butterfly because it lead to darker birch trees?
    Sure, species would die out left and right. Others would thrive and mother nature would laugh.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:51 No.14779611
    >no more bananas
    But I saw a commercial about buying your OWN banana tree to grow your own bananas! Every single person was amazed by the delicious bananas and smiling from ear to ear, I doubt your logic.
    >> снайпер 05/01/11(Sun)18:52 No.14779618
    I hate both strawberry and raspberry with seeds in them.

    Raspberry without seeds is the best. It's like an actual jelly.
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    /tg/ likes Recettear?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:53 No.14779629
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    >The key is to eat local food, that WAS MEANT TO BE GROWN LOCALLY! if you live north of the mason dixon line? no more citrus, pineapple, bananas ect.

    So when you get right down to it, what the food-nuts want is for 3/4 of the world's population to starve to death because they don't happen to live in the Willamette Valley or some other garden-climate-all-year-long wonderland.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:53 No.14779631
    Well it depends. We could probably wipe out the more complex organisms of the planet.

    When it gets to the scale of insects and smaller... buggers are tough to kill, I'll grant you that. It'd be a hard job to get rid of them. But I think the effect we could have on the ecosystem, if we wanted to, could be quite dramatic.

    Could we destroy all life? Probably not. Lot of the buggers are damned persistent. But we could probably kill a lot of the bigger things around.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779635

    damn, that sounds fucking awesome. too bad I won't live to see it.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779636
    well yeah, if you build a huge greenhouse and heat it in the winter (maine here), keeping the soil and the air warm enough when it gets really cold, and watering it because it's inside now...

    or you could plant some apple trees and potatoes
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779638
    Pomagranates are alright, but it's too much work for not enough payoff.

    Peaches, now THAT'S where it's at.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779640
    What does "recognizable" versus "unrecognizable" have to do with anything?

    Well, permanently permanently. We can still wipe OURSELVES out real good, but unless we actually tried, I doubt it. If there's one race that can survive any scenario that is lethal to our physiology, it's homo sapiens sapiens.
    >> CLOUDBERRIES AWW YEAH Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779641
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    If you have never tasted cloudberry jam, you don't know what you're missing.

    The next time you're in Scandinavia or Canada, buy some cloudberries or jam made out of them. They're usually a bit more costly than normal berries or jam, but the taste is absolutely divine.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:54 No.14779644
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    Landwirtrechtbewegung here, fuck you and your Synth Pastes allegiance. We'll blow your shit up.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:56 No.14779652
    Dude, it's a game all about being an item store owner and screwing gullible adventurers out of their money. It's the less-often-seen side of the common adventure RPG.

    Also, the protagonist is adorable.

    And the supporting cast are all comedy GOLD
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:56 No.14779655
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    It's very, very hard for us to damage the ecosystem in such a way that it's permanently "broken."

    It's actually quite easy for us to alter the ecosystem in such a way that our own way of life--particularly in a given, local area--is irrevocably fucked.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:58 No.14779666
    >But we could probably kill a lot of the bigger things around.
    Yeah, I'd agree to that. Although I wouldn't draw the line at insects. Lots of modern cities have hella problems with rats.
    That said, I'm not even sure whether these larger organism are very important in the grand scale of things. World belongs to the insects etc.
    The area where we'd have most influence with least effort would certainly be forests though, so uh I forgot the point I was trying to make.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:58 No.14779672
    Okay where the hell is this from.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:59 No.14779673
    I doubt vat grown meat would be as complex as steak. Yes it could be shaped in any form and made from any general protein composition, but it'd end up more like Spam than Ham. Alternatively, it might be more like Ultra-lean meat given that vat grown may not need fat to grow. Of course it'd be like eating a cooked tumor, but imagine it...McDonalds priced meat healthier than the original thing.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)18:59 No.14779677
    Just for your information, there are about a thousand government workers permanently living on the Chernobyl exclusion zone and you can take guided tours there... because the area is not irrevocably fucked.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:00 No.14779690
    Stop posting pictures from Chernobyl!
    My Stalker nature is crying out. "Go there...! Go there...!"
    Where else can one go and experience truly abandonded former bastions of modern settlements?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:00 No.14779692
    Well /tg/ I'm off to play Zombies with my neighbor. I missed the last 42 posts but it seems this thread had little purpose so the derailing wasn't so derailing.

    I'll be back with my Harry Potter RPG shit later tonight!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:01 No.14779697
    There are species of totally irradiated jellyfish living in the lagoon at Bikini Atoll. The entire lagoon is still radioactive to a level that is lethally dangerous to humans, but that doesn't stop fish living in it.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:01 No.14779703
    Fire and radiation. Eliminate all water on the planet (even temporarily) and it would be like pushing a huge reset button on the planet. There is not such thing a perma destroying all life on a planet short of smashing it into pieces, but eliminating life higher than microscopic organisms isn't all that hard given a focused effort.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:02 No.14779710
    well, no. people survived in all sorts of climates for millennia before factory farming and transportation came along.

    And I don't want some bullshit soviet system with stamps and such either, forcing people to deal only with what they could get before the green revolution, planes and cargo containers made our current pallets possible.

    I just wish we all would be a bit more sensible. there are lots of good things to eat that grow in different places. Potatoes and blueberries and lobsters and trees in Maine. Hell, different varieties of potatoes grow almost anywhere. Rice and such in lush, wet parts of the world where the climate allows them to grow without excessive irrigation (draining aquifers and such faster than they fill, like we do in the US).

    Finally, the average american obsession with the lawn is insane. Find plants that survive the climate you are in naturally and keep those. they don't have to produce food or anything, just don't be retarded if you live in arizona (literally-dry place)
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)19:03 No.14779717
    I like to use dried apricot halves instead of banana slices on peanut butter sandwiches.

    you could try, but they won't survive the winter.

    Hell, bananas as we know them might be gone in a decade. There's a horrible blight-fungus ravaging many banana plantations worldwide, similar to the potato blight in Ireland three quarters of a century ago. They've found that crossbreeding the regular trees with plantain trees induces resistance to the blight, but the resulting fruits taste different. So your grandkids may never know what a pure banana tastes like.

    pretty much. They're food-luddites who want the bulk of humanity to starve or go without quality food for absolutely no reason.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:03 No.14779721
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    Jellyfish are awesome.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:03 No.14779726

    Sure, you can live there. As long as you commute out on a regular basis, always check your radiation badge, don't forget your decon showers, don't try any sort of agriculture ever, don't use anything from inside the Zone, and don't mind your life-expectancy dropping down to Russian-adult-male levels.

    Oh, and don't ever go near the trees.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:04 No.14779728
    ANYWAY, the far more important question is this:
    What could make humanity try to kill all other lifeforms and what would life in such a world be like? I mean, the concept of humans at war with everything else that lives is pretty interesting if you ask me.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:04 No.14779733

    That's because jellyfish have a much simpler body plan than more complex vertebrates like humans and thus aren't as damaged by radiation.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:05 No.14779746
    Freelancer, classic space game.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:06 No.14779755

    >pure banana

    Heh. Modern bananas are weird mutant inbred monstrosities anyway. Like all fruit we enjoy eating.

    Ripe, delicious genetic modifications.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:07 No.14779770
    >Hell, bananas as we know them might be gone in a decade.
    The same is true of chocolate. There are currently some dangerous diseases that fuck up cocoa plantations, and with all the wars in the third world countries that are the main producers of chocolate... forget about zombies, the Cocoa Apocalypse is what makes me scared shitless.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:07 No.14779772
    Weell... something so fear-inducing that people actually permanently freak out to the point where they may as well be phobic against all living biochemical processes that aren't human... hm...
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:07 No.14779776
    Almost all of the food we eat, even staple grains, are just genetically modified monstrosities that wouldn't normally occur in nature.
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    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)19:08 No.14779785
    true enough. We've been cross-breeding and selectively-breeding our food for centuries.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:08 No.14779786

    That, and the fact that water itself is a fairly effective radiation shield. The water around the atoll is constantly refreshed by the ocean; I'd wager radioactivity levels in the water are orders of magnitude lower than on the islands themselves.
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    Pic related:
    its /tg/
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:08 No.14779792
    >The fuck is this board anyway?

    it warms my heart.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:09 No.14779798

    Well I hope you enjoy eating them because in 30 years that's all there will be left. Our oceanic stocks are almost completely gone. The general public has no real clue that we've passed the point of no return. If all fishing stopped today, fish stocks probably still wouldn't recover. We've reduced all the top predators to such low numbers that their fry is now itself being predated at too high a levels. A self sustaining feedback loop has been created. The ocean is dying and there is effectively nothing we can do.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:11 No.14779817
    Sound like Los Angeles, except that in LA there's no method to see what dangerous shit you're breathing.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:13 No.14779834
    Nah, fuck you.

    I like my florida oranges and i ain't giving them up.

    Again, fuck you.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:13 No.14779835

    Also, no trees.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:14 No.14779846
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    I GOT IT!
    Have you read the manga Bio-Meat: Nectar? It takes place after a natural disaster has devestated Japan, and it's forced to develop a form of omnivorus (it eats anything that isn't glass or metal) lifeform, which is then sold cheaply (without the public knowing just what it is). In fact, it's THESE little monsters, designed to consume trash of all kinds, effectively killing two birds in one stone.
    Problem is, they escape.
    Second problem, they duplicate.
    Third problem, they have a very wel developed sense of hearing.

    If you haven't read it, DO!
    Also, wiping EVERYTHING out just so that these fuckers can't eat it is a cause as good as any.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:15 No.14779849
    It's 4Chan's TransGender discussion board. Post sexy traps here.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:15 No.14779854
    Don't worry, though.
    A little known fact is that 70% of the world's vanilla production comes from the most apocalypse proof place on earth. So long as we have vanilla, man.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:16 No.14779861
    actually, they can rebound pretty well.

    Dogfish were practically extinct in the north atlantic for years because england used em for fish and chips. and they reproduced really slowly. now they are fucking everywhere.

    Water can be a good buffer, and sometimes populations can survive despite our best efforts at fishing.

    And those guys who wrote that the oceans would only have jellyfish by some bullshit date? yeah, that was pure bullshit they made up to get media attention about how serious the issues were. of course, the media jumped on the soundbite and didn't want to report on stuff like ecosystem dynamics and predation pressure vs fishing pressure and all that egghead science. they had a good scare piece going and ran with it.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:19 No.14779891
    Add to this that we can mass-breed fish in artificial pools, and then release them into the ocean.
    But yeah, we're closing in to the point of almost no return, or rather, the point where the economy will irrevocally collapse and there'll be a general food shortage for the majority of the world's population.
    >mfw I'll just move higher up into Lappland
    >mfw I have no face
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:19 No.14779894
    Gene modding. Fish farms. Hoping the deep ones answer our prayers
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:20 No.14779899
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:21 No.14779911
    We must not forget to praise the Emperor! May he forgive us and give us the power to cleanse ourselves of our own sins!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:22 No.14779917
    >artificial pools
    This is a good idea. However it may still have the stigma of the retarded open fish farms which have resulted in growth of deadly diseases and damaged species in the long term.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:22 No.14779920

    Dogfish are still pretty rare. Rare enough that they really shouldn't be taken as a commercial fish. But they are. Just like everything else.

    Please believe me on this one. I'm a professional diver. Many of my closest friends are marine environmental management postgrads or professors. I spent the whole of last summer underwater, all round the UK checking out old trawling grounds we'd fished to death a hundred years ago in the hope that ocean really does have that bounce back potential. It doesn't everything is still dead.

    I don't believe in climate change. But I'm seeing the seas empty before my eyes.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:23 No.14779927
    Sligs from Dune.
    Transgenic pig-slugs made by the Bene Tleilax.
    Feed it trash all day, get delicious slig meat later.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:23 No.14779933
    So, to motivate us to wipe out life, they'd have to
    -eat everything
    -be nigh impossible to contain
    -be immortal unless killed (or we could just let them do the job and starve)

    How about rogue military nanomachines/viruses that instead of eating living things reprogram and modify them, but rely on lifeforms for reproduction? And they learn. Slowly, but they do.

    We'd have remnants of humanity living in hermetically sealed fortress-cities, regularly scheduled atomic bombings of areas with high biological activities, stuff like that.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:24 No.14779945
    A damaged gene pool is still better than no gene pool at all. But I'm thinking horribly expensive and durable and eavily patrolled nets blocking the passage between oceans and rivers, to stop any pestilence from spreading too far.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:28 No.14779974
    And as long as we have the original genome, we can fix any damage with some gene modding that'll be around by the time fish get to a critical point.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:28 No.14779978

    What do you guys think they feed fish in fish farms. Fish. It doesn't help at all. Fish farms have been shown to reduce will populations in aqua culture areas in nearly all cases, due to spread of disease and parasites, and severly damages local marine environments from everything from plankton up. Fish farming is desperate last ditch attempt to save a fishing industry that has destroyed itself. It is not a sustainable process.

    It is every bit as horrific as battery farming and far far more environmentally damaging.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:28 No.14779984
    Ah, I love the Tleilaxu. They bread the sligs just to get rich off of the other races while facilitating their slow decay. Such wonderful assholes
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:29 No.14779991
    well, yeah, over in england.

    This side of the pond is chock full of em. Stellwagen bank, jeffries ledge, and Georges bank all are overrun with the spiny buggers. The key is, when they are caught and tossed back overboard, a MUCH larger percentage of the guys survive than other fish. no swim bladder, tougher skin, and spiracles instead of operculums make em tough little bastards. I also get stabbed by the spine on the second dorsal fin when I try to get them off the hooks the silly buggers ate while fishing for haddok.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:29 No.14779992
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    Yeah, that's basically it. They eat everything and then when they can't find anything to eat, they fall asleep, effectivelly killing themselves, until they sense something edible close by. And while they aren't immortal, they are hard to kill, they regenerate, and within just afew years there'll be hundreds of billions of the fuckers.
    This should be required reading.

    Also, your idea is good. Trouble is to balance it. How do we make them truly terrifying without stripping ourselves of the ability to systematically extinguish all life that they depend on in the process?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:32 No.14780011
    >Someone else knows of War Against the Cthorr

    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:32 No.14780021
    And yet over tens of thousands of years they never took over like they planned to.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:33 No.14780027
    We'll think of something. If we don't let the fish out of the farms, and create an artificial, human-run ecosystem around it, we may at least be able to eat fish, if not save the oceanic biomes they were part of.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:36 No.14780061
    The last time there was a Dune thread I started what was supposed to be a short post complaining about how Heretics made the Tleilaxu into complete retards who acted completely contrary to all basic logic and their own society.
    It ended up being 6 pages long and the thread 404ed before I got a chance to post it.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:37 No.14780067
    Samefagging now. What if we find a temporary chemical solution that makes them unable to reproduce and spread, but now we're racing against time since tests have shown that a tiny percentage will develop immunity/resistance, and will even evolve into something much nastier because of it? And now we're in a race agaisnt time to wipe out the very things they need in order to spread again: EVERYTHING.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:37 No.14780071
    Just create completely artificial pools, don't risk contact with the actual ocean. Grow fish in the Midwest, if you want.
    I think >>14779920 is a bit overdramatic, but efforts have to be taken to preserve natural populations. A simple way of doing that without having to eat more boring food would be to create artificial ecosystems detached from any real ones.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:38 No.14780077
    The quality dropped hard after God Emperor anyways.
    I read the Herbert didn't want to write more Dune books but his publishers wouldn't let him publish other books unless he made more.
    Out of the dozens of novels that he wrote, only the Dune series was a big seller so publishers were fixated on more of those.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:40 No.14780087

    Imagine for a moment a world where the only animals were, cows, pigs, sheep and chickens. Everything else was dead or dying, the whole beauty of the natural world erased from existence, every bird, insect and wild animal confined to the history books, because we decided that all that useless nature simply took up the space we needed for rearing the 4 species of animal we've decided are tastiest.

    Because that is effectively what you are suggesting. Just for the ocean. Instead of land.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:40 No.14780092
    In the future, people learn to appreciate nettles and similar "weeds" due to their tenacity, the same thing that they're reviled for today. Good food. Makes for good clothing as well.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:43 No.14780109
    Well, I meant isolated artificially made ecosystems for the purpose of growing fish and other things. And I didn't mean using it as an excuse to just neglect the oceans.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:44 No.14780120

    I appreciate what you're trying to say, but the expense involved that would merely make fish a luxury product, rather than the staple food stuff an estimated 6th of the worlds population rely on.

    There's no solution. People need more fish than there is. Just realise man really does have the power to destroy whole ecosystems.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:45 No.14780122
    Horses and Turtles are also delicious though. What about the turtles?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:46 No.14780136
    The serious really should have ended after 4 books. Leto makes the ultimate sacrifice to ensure the eternal survival and freedom of humanity; great conclusion to the story. ...and then 3000 years later some insignificant side plot about some horny Bene Gesserit wannabes occurs. Definitely a let down.
    As for his other books, White Plague is actually very good. The only other one I have read is the Jesus, which was nothing spectacular, and a total Avatar ripoff
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:47 No.14780141
    /tg/ has this nice balance of quality posters, board speed and low profile.

    Which means that passion is not lacking. Long discussions are not punished by a fast board speed and few trolls wander these grounds.

    also, tg is not only about boardgames and w40k. We have a nice amount of topics going on on sci fi, metaphysics, world building and other fun stuff.

    We can make meta out of everything. Religion, science, fantasy. We can mix them up together, we can pry them apart. We can do everything with them.

    We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.

    This board can sometimes be a mindfuck since it often lacks classification. Thats why I like it.

    Keeps yer mind under a load if you are bored with modern society.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:49 No.14780153
    fuck you, we need to create bastions of food sources and allow for future generations to taste food, not just sit around and accept defeat.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:49 No.14780156
    >We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.
    I agree with everything you wrote but this. All internet religious debates are doomed to rapid shittiness. /tg/ is not as bad as /sci/, but after 50 posts it gets there.
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    >even though we are atheists.
    Speak for yourself.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:52 No.14780181
    >We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.
    Nonsense. Of course we're not all atheists, but the different between /tg/ and /sci/ level trolling when discussing religious topics is that we're having an actual discussion beyond the heated arguments that are so usual in other boards or forums.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:52 No.14780182
    truth. The only way to have a reasonable conversation about religion and/or deities is to keep it within a strictly fictional frame.
    Since we as elegan/tg/entlemen and ca/tg/irls often deal with religion and deities in a strictly fictional frame we can at time have reasonable discussions about religions and deities, but only when kept within such a frame
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:52 No.14780183
    Helstom's Hive has proto-face dancers in it in the 1950s. His prose was sloppy in it though. Inexperience, I guess.
    Destination Void is supposed to be good, but I'm only half way through and it is dragging on and on.
    And of course the best Frank Herbert fact of all: publishing companies all refused to publish Dune because they thought it was shit. He had to get an auto-repair guide publisher to print it because no other book publisher would touch his glorious masterpiece.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:53 No.14780191
    /tg/ is the best place for religion discussion. The best. Period.
    And it's still absolutely terrible at it.
    Remember, always say NO to discussing relgion.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:54 No.14780197
    Atheist: just another word for heretic!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:54 No.14780201
    >We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.
    Not really.
    Some threads get plagued with Catholic historical revisionists and amateur Christian apologists.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:56 No.14780228
    I meant that we understand the structure of religion better than the religious people since a lot of DM's here have to make it seem legit in their games.

    personally though, that free discussion between us atheists about that gave me even more confidence about atheism and these days I barely even twitch and eye when somenone spouts that crap in real life. I kinda feel bad for most of them these days instead of seeing them as a direct threat. But I guess I cant really give all the credit to tg for that but just internet in general.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:57 No.14780244
    >We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.

    Not all of /tg/ is atheist, by any means, simply because such a large group of anonymous people will certainly include some religious people. Nonetheless, it does seem that your average unbeliever has a higher Knowledge: Religion skill than your average believer.

    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:57 No.14780250
    You forgot the hipster atheists.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:58 No.14780257
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    Don't listen to all of these lies. This is where people discuss all the secret ways to beat the casinos through exploiting special flaws in slot machine programming, quirks of continuous shuffling machines, and how to Dutch book horse racing tracks that aren't set up properly.

    They're just trying to get you to leave by talking about all of this nerdy stuff. I'm convinced of this, and after about a year on the board, I think I'm close to getting into the inner circle and finding all their gambling secrets.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:59 No.14780269
    It's more of a simple case that on /tg/, knowledge:religion is high among all groups.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)19:59 No.14780270
    The house always win.

    Enjoy your life of enlightenment.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:02 No.14780296
    As long as it is not Wakfu. Because despite having nearly everything in common with many other /tg/ related games it is not allowed here.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:02 No.14780299

    The trick is to make the house win when you win.
    My lips are sealed. You probably don't realize it, but I've already said too m
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:02 No.14780302
    Gentlemen, please. Both the "Catholic revisionists" and "hipster atheists" are (1) very rare, and (2) trolls. Let's not start a shitting contest.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:03 No.14780310
    It disgusts me how poor and naive modern understanding of religion is. If the best and most coherent secular understanding of such a complex phenomenon is coming from people like Dawkins, social science has utterly failed mankind.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:04 No.14780322
    Don't worry, a few of us have read Huxley. We just don't speak up in religious debates.
    In fact, that's the golden rule: The more people know about religion, the less they discuss it online.
    >> Alpharius 05/01/11(Sun)20:05 No.14780329

    You again? As I, the only Alpharius, have told you repeatedly before, there is no inner circle. We have had this discussion before, and you're wrong. If there were some sort of 'inner circle', we certainly wouldn't waste our time with such frivolities as beating the house. No, we true elegan/tg/entlemen would orchestrate the rise and fall of nations like the kingmakers and viziers we are, not play at craps for paltry sums. Your lack of vision and knowledge disgust me.

    Or, it would disgust me if I were part of /tg/'s inner circle. Which I'm not. Because it doesn't exist.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:05 No.14780332
    My problem with the Jesus Incident was that it was in many ways standard scifi fare. Superpowerful AI, strange planet, crazy aliens, etc. It isn't bad on its own, but it just seemed like a regression back to previous science fiction instead of expanding it the way Dune's focus on the characters, setting, and themes of the negative impact of the heroes and religion did.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:06 No.14780336
    You fool! Do not speak so loudly, this is something newcomers should not know until they've been deemed worthy of great knowledge and power!
    Brb, plotting world domination thought rigged gambling with my Illuminatus brothers.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:06 No.14780342
    >>We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.

    Practising Roman Catholic here. Don't make sweeping generalisations like this. One of the mercies of /tg/ is that it doesn't quite have ingrained a moronic hive mind regurgitated groupthink like you get on boards like /a/, and stuff like "We understand religion better than religious people even though we are atheists.", as well as being pretty damn arrogant and self-conceited presumption in and of itself, gets worryingly close to that trend.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:06 No.14780345
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    >Or maybe that Harry Potter RPG I've been building from the ground up


    or for an overview,
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:07 No.14780346
    I read a study that tested Anglican priests on basic biblical knowledge. They failed hard.
    And modern Catholics don't fair that well on religious studies either.
    Who is best at getting the correct answers on tests that determine your understanding of the Bible? Atheists followed closely by Mormons. Of all the two groups to really know their Bible, those two are it somehow.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:09 No.14780368

    ftfy. Try not to use statistics, by the way, because they go either way, depending on the selected pool of guinea pigs.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:09 No.14780369
    The playground of the Crazy Eight.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:09 No.14780370
    >Practising Roman Catholic here.
    No offense, but Roman Catholics tend to score really low on Biblical tests.
    I've met Catholics in real life that love to brag about how good Catholics are at really getting the Bible and how abysmal Protestants are at it. Too bad that when they are put to the test they fail.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:09 No.14780376
    The thing about religion is that it is not hardwired to the texts. Fundamentalists may claim it is, but it never has been. It is a like try to claim you know more about another culture just because you've read their books and seen their movies; it's a social structure that you have to immerse yourself in to understand.
    Incidentally, atheist here.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:10 No.14780387
    >Try not to use statistics, by the way, because they go either way, depending on the selected pool of guinea pigs.
    If the statistics are at all valid, they used a representative sampling of the population.
    And if we are not going to use statistics, then let's stop making any claims at all about groups of people since we won't have any source of information to back those claims up.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:11 No.14780399
    Catholics on /tg/ != Catholics in real life
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:12 No.14780409
    >let's not generalise

    Yes, this. Why are we having this discussion, fellas?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:13 No.14780422

    That's not really anything, though. There's more to understanding religion than understanding the Bible. That's pretty much half the point of Catholicism. One of the major beefs of Protestants was that they felt that there were too many extraeneous accoutrements and they wanted to reduce everything back to the Bible - sola scriptura and all that.

    Also, I think he was more getting at your assuming "we are all atheists" than anything else.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:13 No.14780424
    I know it isnt kind to say it out loud but people like you are fucktarded. Your book pales in comparison to the lore in W40K and I will have fun trolling you in pleasure because I know you are not really equal to me. So I have few regrets in doing so.

    Have fun being a useless fuck.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:13 No.14780428
    >Try not to use statistics, by the way, because they go either way, depending on the selected pool of guinea pigs.
    That's not true.
    Just pointing that out; I saw an incorrect statement and had to correct it. I wish to take no part in your discussion on topics other than statistics.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:14 No.14780441
    I'm talking about statistical studies, not my experiences on /tg/. It is those real life Catholics that don't know up from down when it comes to the Bible.
    On /tg/ the Catholics and the atheists are probably both trolls anyways.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:14 No.14780445

    >>Have fun being a useless fuck.

    Okie-dokie. Here I am, having fun. You carry on.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:15 No.14780446
    to bring this discussion away from the minefield that is real world religion, a lot of /tg/ knowledge about religion does come from as >>14780228 rightly points out as DMs we have to put religion into our games and make them fit.

    The difference is that in Games there can be many different metaphysics and this affects how religion will work.
    What the metaphysics of the real world are is largely irrelevant unless we are drawing from historical setting (which we sometimes do).
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:15 No.14780448
    Because the topic veered off jams.

    Blueberry/raspberry (with seeds) master race reporting in.
    >> Alpharius 05/01/11(Sun)20:15 No.14780455

    Well, it depends on how the study in question is constructed. Poorly constructed experiments result in poor data result in poor statistics.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:16 No.14780460
    Strawberry, bitch.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:16 No.14780463
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    This board is primarily about interspecies romance. Elf slave wat do, delicious blueberry pie, DAT ABDOMEN, "I said SLAY the dragon, yes the S makes a difference," etc.

    Also sometimes we talk about Warhammer
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:16 No.14780465
    >Also, I think he was more getting at your assuming "we are all atheists" than anything else.
    Anon who keeps mentioning the statistical studies here.
    I'm not the one who made the 'we are all atheists' post.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:17 No.14780478
    >tg is the best board to discuss religion
    >thread turns to utter shit instantly
    who is surprised?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:17 No.14780484
    Oh no you le didn't. At least put some apple in that if you don't wish to humiliate yourself.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:18 No.14780496
    I am surprised, and I challenge you to a flamewar over this point!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:19 No.14780502
    >your assuming "we are all atheists" than anything else.
    His assumption? There are more than three people roaming around here; I sincerely doubt that the "we are atheists" chucklefuck is the same person pointing out that average Catholic Bible knowledge is lacking. That's a claim that can be made by anyone, especially the religious.

    I suppose, but it irks me to be hearing so much about the "New Atheists" like Hitchens when the sorts of ideas being put forth are really goddamn similar to the sorts of things that were being said in the 19th century. It irks me when anti-religionists cite nasty-sounding anecdotes of corruption instead of broader sociological findings. It makes me wonder why rationalists haven't properly exploited empirical faculties.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:19 No.14780508
    My god, you sick bastard.
    Green mint jelly is for hardcore motherfuckers.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:22 No.14780533
    Black Currant
    It gets a lot of shit, but it's incredibly good.
    Raspberry is also pretty good. Orange is good (with peel!) but only when done right. Mint is OK but doesn't work well in most foods.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:24 No.14780556
    Jam? JAM?!
    All ya'll casualfucks step aside. Glorious no-jam naturalé masterrace reporting in!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:24 No.14780558
    Can't disagree with you there, but it's a highly specialized delicacy only fit for a small number of occasions.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:25 No.14780567

    The thing is with people like Hitchens though is that they're not philosophers, they're priests. I know it'll make some of the atheists here angry but seriously, listening to him, it's really, really hard not to get the "Atheism is another religion" vibe. He is a fervent preacher, and fixation on moral lapses is his class's stock in trade because they make for better impassioned oratory and hellfire condemnation.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:25 No.14780574

    but then you wont have pliant and sensitive girl parts to do naughty things with yourself.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:26 No.14780581
    >No offense, but Roman Catholics tend to score really low on Biblical tests.

    I'd actually kinda like to see one of these Biblical Aptitude Tests. My google-fu has proven weak.

    I simply find it hard to believe that a Christian institution would have a structural misunderstanding of the core tenets of Christianity.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:27 No.14780595
    >implying pro-jammers can't enjoy raw berries and fruit without jam
    >implying jam isn't an excellent fruit preserve
    You are most silly, dear sir!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:28 No.14780609
    I really don't get why people fixate on Hitchens and Dawkins.
    Those chucklefucks don't speak for me. Disregard everything that they have to say. Do not apply a single thing that they have said to a single atheist unless you hear that atheist coincidentally say the same thing.
    We are not a monolithic group. I refuse to be tarred by the writings of a blowhard like Hitchens of all people.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:28 No.14780613

    In any case, what IS a "Biblical Aptitude Test"? What does it involve? I don't really see how being able to recall a specific chapter and verse actually relates to "understanding" in any way, and if people are being tested on their interpretation of particular passages then I think you need to look at who's framing the questions reeeeeeeaaaaallllyyy carefully.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:28 No.14780616
    >Mint is OK but doesn't work well in most foods.
    >I am worthless, pitiful, cowardly scum who cannot handle the divine tidal-wave of crisp alpine freshness cascading o'er the glistening slopes of a varied life-sustaining food cornucopia.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:29 No.14780624
    Hardly. An ice box or a refrigerator is enough to let me enjoy berries and fruits in their natural form during all seasons.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:30 No.14780629

    No true Scotsmen, eh?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:30 No.14780644
    They're basically on who said/did what in the bible and on historical events of the religion.
    Saying you know more about religion that religious people because you did better on the survey is like saying you know more about art than an artist just because you did well in an art history class. They're 2 very different things.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:31 No.14780647
    The journey is more important than the destination.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:31 No.14780654
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    Pew Study. Out of 32 questions White Catholics answered half correct, Hispanic Catholics got less than a third.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:31 No.14780659
    No. Not even remotely the same thing.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:32 No.14780661
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    Moon Jelly is best jelly. Aurelia ftw.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:32 No.14780672
    That's not an example of the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
    Not at all. I'm confused as to why you think that is valid.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:33 No.14780675
    >White Catholic
    >Hispanic Catholic
    this survey seems bizarre.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:33 No.14780678

    Except for the part where you're flat fucking wrong. Catholics and Mormons are the most proficient in biblical knowledge, followed by atheists and non-aligned, followed by generic protestant, with evangelical protestant at the absolute fucking bottom. Now give me a minute while I dig for the charts.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:33 No.14780682
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    Transgender and Jam.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:34 No.14780690
    The Pew study didn't expect memorized chapter and verses.
    It expected an absolutely basic understanding of Christianity and the Old Testament.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:34 No.14780695
    Yeah, I'd agree with that in terms of bible specific knowledge, though there's a lot more to know than just the bible.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:35 No.14780697
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    Oh good, someone beat me to it. There's other graphics from Pew that have aggregate protestant stats, which aren't great.

    Here's how the breakdown of questioning goes.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:35 No.14780706
    Indeed. It was religions IN GENERAL where atheists, then Mormons, were most knowledgeable.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:36 No.14780714

    I think that what he was getting at was that atheists can't disregard Hitchens/Dawkins/The Church of Non-Holy Athe because it's inconvenient to them; you can't casually wave your hand and say "oh, they don't really represent us" whenever someone does something disreputable.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:36 No.14780719
    They ask for race, age and religion.
    So they split up some of the religious groups based on race.
    Seeing how race had such a large influence on number of questions correctly answered, maybe they are right to do that.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:37 No.14780728
    Here's what I mean: you're making crepes, you've got some cream, maybe some walnuts to throw in. What kind of jam do you use? Orange; it works perfectly. You're making a chocolate cake; what do you put between the layers? Raspberry jam, perfect. What about mint? It's so overpowering, you basically have to eat it on it's own. And that's fine most of the time, but it's not nearly as versatile as most of your fruit jams.

    Incidentally, anyone tried rose petal jam? Fucking best shit ever.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:37 No.14780729
    A journey should, like unprocessed berries and fruits, be enjoyed for what it is, without added sweeteners. Amor fati, my friend.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:37 No.14780732
    Actually, that's EXACTLY what you can do. We don't all subscribe to the same philosophies, or the same beliefs beyond "I don't believe there is a god." What one guy does has no reflection on another.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:38 No.14780737
    But they don't represent us. Not at all.
    Let me denounce them for you right here and make it clear that Hitchens and Dawkins speak for themselves and themselves only.
    I'm confused as to why people try to make atheism out to be a monolithic organization rather than a basic theological opinion.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:38 No.14780742

    Nutella. Smother half of those fuckers in Nutella and the other half in raspberry jam.
    >> sage 05/01/11(Sun)20:40 No.14780759
    >reported for wakfu not belonging on /tg/
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:40 No.14780762
    Where did I ever say I don't enjoy unsweetened berries or fruit? I think that the truly enlightened of us can take delight both in the pure jewels of mother nature's gardens, and an artform thousands of years old that was once a necessity, now a delicacy.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:40 No.14780763
    >Do not apply a single thing that they have said to a single atheist unless you hear that atheist coincidentally say the same thing.
    I have seen many atheists coincidentally say the same things. Most of the people that I hear talking about religion outside of church are spouting these quasi-dogmatic words.
    In retrospect, it probably should have occurred to me that my experience might be atypical. Polite sage for off-topic.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:41 No.14780771
    A little pedestrian, but it does work well. I prefer coconut and melted chocolate, personally.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:41 No.14780775
    >implying crepes do not transcend national boundaries and bring all mankind together

    Except the Chinese. Fuck those guys.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:41 No.14780776

    That's nice. It's a pity that atheists don't seem keen to extend the same courtesy to theists, what with nearly every debate not being "atheism vs. theism", "atheism vs. organised religion" or even "atheism vs. Christianity" but "atheism vs. a stereotype of Southern U.S. biblical fundamentalists"
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:42 No.14780787

    It's still a massive simplification, lumping anti-theists with atheists. It's like claiming Quakers as god-bothering dominionists who seek to subvert the Constitution and institute the Christian version of Sharia, or Sufi as terrorist extremists who demand mass conversion and desire to rebuild the caliphate.

    Yes, there are plenty of 15-year-old anti-theists who hate Christianity specifically and spout crap like, "Read some DAWKINS, Christfag." No, they're not representative of a moderate atheist viewpoint. No, that's not a NTS fallacy, as there IS no comprehensive descriptor that applies to a wildly non-homogenous grouping.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:42 No.14780793
    What is it with people, wanting to add atheists into a group like Catholics, Morons or so? I'm not quite stupid enough to believe in any deity, yet I haven't read anything by Dawkins or this other guy you mention. Catholics have something in common. Atheists don't. NOT having something in common is not the same as having something in common.
    >> Ånönymøüs dê Bērgérãç-Flëūr !RZND91lf7s 05/01/11(Sun)20:43 No.14780813
    Yup. The last 5 posts describe /tg/ perfectly.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:44 No.14780821
    >I'm confused as to why people try to make atheism out to be a monolithic organization rather than a basic theological opinion.
    Because there is a relatively distinct culture, related in part to scientism, that tends to throw around words like "Atheism" a lot. It is often more convenient to discuss this movement than to discuss the theological position, mostly because the position is (as you said) basic. There are atheists everywhere, including in the priesthood. The influence of that atheism is minimal. The near-religious Atheism is what provides the most conversation fodder.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:44 No.14780826
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    Bitches don't know 'bout my 99th percentile.

    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:44 No.14780832
    And 40k. Bad things happen when all three merge.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:45 No.14780843
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    here you go, then.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:45 No.14780845
    well, to be honest, that's what atheists are opposed to. Only a tiny minority of atheists are those that actually want to get rid of religion. The vast majority want religion to be an entirely private affair and not to be used to determine argue for social or political opinions, and to not affect the pursuit of science. And the form of Christianity that best represents this is crazy Southerner Christianity
    >> Ånönymøüs dê Bērgérãç-Flëūr !RZND91lf7s 05/01/11(Sun)20:47 No.14780875
    >AWESOME things happen when all three merge
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:47 No.14780879
    >The near-religious anti-theism is what provides the most conversation fodder.

    Fix'd. Anti-theism is dogmatic. Anti-theism is exclusive. Anti-theism argues through ridicule instead of logic. Atheism is a philosophical stance.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:48 No.14780884
    Why would anyone discuss "atheism" at all? And like it was a theology? Can we please stop trolling, or for those of you who aren't trolling, could you stop being idiotic?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:50 No.14780902
    I'm supposed to remember that Jonathan Edwards was one of the many preachers in the first great awakening? I admit I fucked up by just thinking jewish sabbath = saturday, but I'll just keep my 93 percentile.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:51 No.14780912
    [polite sage for off-topic]
    Yes, thank you. Antitheism is a much better word and I shouldn't have forgotten about it. It's just that many of the antitheists (and many theists) are muddying the waters and trying to conflate the two.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:51 No.14780915

    So, you exaggerate a few bogeymen to demonise the greater group? Goebbels would be proud.

    Inb4 Godwin, but stil, you're admitting to using stereotyping for polemical purposes.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:52 No.14780926
    well, we were trying to discuss crepes.

    On that note: the standard cheese+ham+apple crepe: what variations to you prefer on this savory treat? I replace the apple with sauteed mushrooms as the apple always seemed too hard to be in a crepe to me.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:54 No.14780943
    fa/tg/uys as battle sisters eating jam and toast?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:54 No.14780945

    Because anti-theism (and, to a lesser degree, dogmatic atheism) IS a religion. You believe in all-encompassing Science, with Scientists as your priests. Only through this path may you attain Truth. It's a rejection of the Scientific Method for proclamations from on high. It's an irrational belief that All Religions Are Wrong (especially Christianity), even in the absence of evidence to the contrary. It cheapens atheism as a philosophical stance, but it garners more attention because it's more controversial.

    Well, and also because modern media likes nothing more than an us-them dichotomy they can milk to fill the 24-hour news cycle, but that's a whole other kettle o' fish.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:56 No.14780966
    >kettle o' fish.
    And the discussion comes full circle
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:56 No.14780967
    300 Posts.
    How many topics did we cycle through?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:56 No.14780975
    All of them.
    That's how we do it on /tg/.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:58 No.14780993
    We didn't get to /k/-related discussion yet
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)20:59 No.14781004
    We did talk a little bit about the American South.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:00 No.14781013
    Prosciutto, tomato, basil and chèvre cheese.

    For sweet crêpes, whipped cream and fresh strawberries.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:00 No.14781015
    While eating crepes and mint flavored jam, I enjoy reading dawkins on my yacht. Specifically, I use a .44 to shoot endangered fish, what about you guys?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:00 No.14781018

    Not nearly enough.

    >standard cheese+ham+apple

    Is that the standard? I admit, I'm an uncultured 'Murikan. I can see the merit, though. Do you go with a bland white cheese, letting the sweetness of the apple and the salty fattiness of the ham contrast the crepe? Or do you go with a strong cheese? That seems like it would pull you in too many directions at once.

    >cheese+ham+sauteed mushrooms

    T'would be a good mid-day dish, perhaps with some sort of sweet-savory sauce. Say, something sesame based, with a little warmth and some tartness.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:01 No.14781036
    >Because anti-theism (and, to a lesser degree, dogmatic atheism) IS a religion. You believe in all-encompassing Science, with Scientists as your priests. Only through this path may you attain Truth. It's a rejection of the Scientific Method for proclamations from on high. It's an irrational belief that All Religions Are Wrong (especially Christianity), even in the absence of evidence to the contrary.
    wait, what? No atheist says "trust scientists blindly because they know the Truth." And the whole point of the scientific method is to have an open examination of the data and to challenge even well-established facts as new information arises. There's an old adage that if you want to think of science as a religion, it is a religion that doesn't worship truth, but one that worships doubt. The scientific method is inherently self-challenging and antithetical to religious dogma.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:02 No.14781038
    That's moronic.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:04 No.14781066
    I usually go with Swiss or Emmentaller cheese; something with a slight bitterness but only slight. And in place of a sauce I sautee the mushrooms in a good deal of pepper. Sometimes the simplest seasonings are the best.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:05 No.14781074
    How many guppies can you fit in an average kettle?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:10 No.14781124
    >No atheist says "trust scientists blindly because they know the Truth."

    No, they're typically more circumspect. I've had quite a few anti-theists assert data analysis as "fact", and even claiming that scientists don't lie or mislead, even when their work was later viciously debunked via peer review. They adhere to Science the Idea, that man WILL know all through steadfast pursuit of knowledge.

    Again, this is not a moderate atheistic view. This is most commonly seen in atheist "converts", specifically those who threw off repressive religion to rebel.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:10 No.14781128

    >>The scientific method is inherently self-challenging and antithetical to religious dogma.

    You really think that? That's ADORABLE!

    Considering how much data-falsification goes on in the scientist community, I wouldn't be so sanguine.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:11 No.14781137
    I'd say a few hundred.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:13 No.14781157
    Surely you can provide some hard numbers for that assertion, assuming of course that it's not too sciency for you.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:14 No.14781178
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:15 No.14781179

    Hm. I thought some sort of sauce, be it for dipping or drizzled on the finished product, was pretty much par for the course when it came to crepes. Or is that just an Americanization?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:15 No.14781184
    How about goldfish? Also, evidence for that? We need experimental tests.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:15 No.14781185
    Well, A kettle is about 1 L, usually. 10mL guppies are reasonable, I think. I guess I'm not too sciency, though.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:17 No.14781205
    Well, goldfish are another story.
    If you had an example image of your goldfish, I'd be able to give an educated guess.
    Do you want the fish swimming or dead, piled on top of each other?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:18 No.14781218
    Yeah, not that much goes on. know why? Because if you make bullshit up; even if you fool everyone, someone will go back and review it or try to build up on it later and show you lied. And nothing is more prestigious in the scientific community than knocking out an existing well-established theory with a better one. The inherent point of the scientific method is that everything is testable and repeatable, and purposeful manipulation of results fares poorly.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:19 No.14781226
    >Why /tg/ is awesome
    >Organic food/food miles
    >Demise of ocean life
    >Atheism and anti-theism
    >Crepe fillings
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:20 No.14781252
    You don't even need the other boards anymore.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:21 No.14781257
    What about that one guy, who was hailed as science jesus for years and then someone finally realized that he lied? Kind of naive to think that people don't do it and get away with it.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:21 No.14781267

    Enough that the US government needs an Office of Research Integrity to keep tabs on it, and that's only in the biomedical field.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:22 No.14781278
    sauces are generally reserved for something like chocolate drizzles over sweet crepes or maybe a mustard sauce. I feel they are generally a poor addition to a crepe; you might as well put whatever inside in a more congealed form than something that will ooze out.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:23 No.14781283
    Let's go with dead, and a month old.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:24 No.14781301
    Yes you do. How do you think we keep most of the riff-raff out of /tg/ and make threads like this possible?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:25 No.14781307

    >>wait, what? No atheist says "trust scientists blindly because they know the Truth."

    The thing is, though, that's exactly what you're saying - the process is incorruptible, the principle is pure, it will win out over all. Your whole post is QED.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:25 No.14781309
    Oh, that one guy. Thank you for clearing that up.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:25 No.14781313
    You could probably fit about a hundred or so small goldfish in a typical kettle, just guessing here.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:26 No.14781324
    And Sweden still has a military, despite the fact that it has not been in war for 200 years. Care to cite some research to support your position that data falsification is ubiquitous?
    >> Magus O'Grady 05/01/11(Sun)21:27 No.14781342
    And who, pray tell, was this? Can you give us a name? Or a field of study? Or a set of dates? Because I know nothing of this, and am sorely tempted to call you a liar for making up such blatant nonsense.

    Like all scientists, I demand sources, and references.

    The Scientific Method is the core distillation, the very essence, of 'Pics or it didn't happen'.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:29 No.14781370
    Be more specific. You could be referring to anything from Teilhard and Plitdown Man to cold fusion.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:30 No.14781388

    The idea being that a crepe should have a semi-solid or solid filling, and that you either add the sauce to the outside, or as a separate entity you combine before consumption. So yes, like a chocolate sauce drizzled over a desert crepe, or a ramekin of a mustard sauce on the side. You also get some textural variance options by separating the sauce from the crepe. But you're saying you should add the sauce as an ingredient inside the crepe?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:31 No.14781408
    I'm not saying the process is incorruptible; i'm saying that the process is set up to test claims and retest accepted theories. No process is perfect but the scientific process is the best we have because it questions everything and allows others to repeat the same experiences and see if they get the same results.
    If you can think of a better method let me know instead of just claiming that reserved certainty based a multitude of past successes is the same as blind faith.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:31 No.14781409
    Hey guys, hey guys

    I think I know the reason why /tg/ still has proper discussions.

    Few if any reaction images, and greentext is used for actually quoting others' posts.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:33 No.14781429
    Going to /tg/ cured me of
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:34 No.14781439
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    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:36 No.14781471
    It is. See?
    I did not imply.
    I stated.
    I stated facts. Not even opinions.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:36 No.14781478
    Good grief, finding this thread again after my browser crashed was a hassle.

    In any case, the ORI found 13 separate cases of research misconduct in the USA alone in 2008. Its historical average is that 33% of the investigations it conducts result in a finding of wrongdoing. Spread that over multiple years, in multiple countries, in multiple fields - it's hardly unprecedented.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:38 No.14781508
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    implying we don't have the best reaction images
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:40 No.14781538
    OK, scientists aren't perfect creatures and sometimes lie and cheat to further their careers.
    How does this prove that the scientific method is based on blind faith again?
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:40 No.14781539
    I was once thanked by a fellow fa/tg/uy for making a reasonable claim and backing it up with evidence without saying "I told you so." I was a little baffled, I thought that was what you were supposed to do.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:42 No.14781557

    No-one's arguing that the scientific method is a bad idea - even the Gospel of St. Matthew stresses that the account comes from "trustworthy evidence", not just because the author says so.

    The main drive is that people do have feet of clay and are suspect to corruptibility, researchers as much as priests and atheists do treat the concept of capital-S Science with a messianic awe that is not entirely deserved.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:42 No.14781567

    Yes, but define "research misconduct". Is that Tuskegee-style fuckery, or skewing stats, or just not providing the right disclaimers on the release forms? Is it factoring one potentially flawed data set, or actively falsifying one? Hanlon's law, deliberate malfeasance, unintentional stupidity, etc.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:46 No.14781624
    Out of the four gospels, the one by Matthew is the one I think has the least connection with reality. It's quite awesome nonetheless.
    >At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. The earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After his resurrection they came out of the tombs and entered the holy city and appeared to many. (NRSV)
    Zombie invasion, in my Jerusalem? FUCK YEAH!
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:48 No.14781640

    You asked for evidence of data falsification and I gave it to you. Don't move the goalposts.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)21:56 No.14781754
    You first need to provide evidence that the following statement is incorrect.
    >>The scientific method is inherently self-challenging and antithetical to religious dogma.
    >You really think that? That's ADORABLE!
    >Considering how much data-falsification goes on in the scientist community, I wouldn't be so sanguine.
    In other words show that the method is not self-challenging (it looks like you have provided evidence that science is indeed challenging research), and that science is dogmatic (haven't seen you post anything about that).
    >> Commisar Drew 05/01/11(Sun)22:29 No.14782181
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    When this kind of shit happens in a Thread I just skim it and sorta read the posts with images.
    Atheist good, not anti-theist, and crepes with chocolate (nutella) and Arequipe are the best.
    'nuff said, case closed, everybody pack up your MUN suits and your debate club eyeglasses and go back to sleep, FFS
    C'mon. Staying up late discusing bullshit is heresy.
    >> Anonymous 05/01/11(Sun)22:34 No.14782241
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    >Cloudberry Jam

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