rolled 10 = 10

Alright, so when we're done rollin', we'll brainstorm some ideas for 'em? Sounds fun.

>>15081721
That sounds like a good idea.

Our chapter was founded as part of a crusade, awesome.
Roll 1d100 to determine when our chapter was founded.

rolled 98 = 98

>>15081735
Anything but cursed founding'd be good. Cursed founding is a bit overdone.

>>15081744
Unfortunately, the chapter's archives have been lost or destroyed. It is unknown when the chapter was founded.

>>15081752
Roll 1d100 to determine our progenitor chapter.

rolled 39 = 39

>>15081764
Not Smurfs.

Or Blood Angels, we've done those guys before quite a bit.

Salamanders would be cool.

>>15081772
If there is a general consensus not to have the Ultramarines or the Blood Angels as a founding chapter, I'll take re-rolls. As of now, the parent chapter is the Ultramarines.

rolled 95 = 95

Rolling for Space Yiffs

rolled 77 = 77

>>15081795
Bugger. Oh well, the dice gods will as the dice gods will.

>>15081795
Almost every chapter so far has had Ultramarines or Blood Angels, let's get something interesting.

rolled 33 = 33

>>15081795
Eh, the dice gods will as the dice gods will. Pity thought, Smurfs are the more boring choice.

rolled 12 = 12

>>15081795
Let's get a cool chapter for once.

>>15081795
No smurfs or angels. We already got too many of those.

>>15081804
The people have spoken, the progenitor chapter is now the Iron Hands.

Roll 1d10 to determine the chapter's gene-stock purity.

rolled 3 = 3

>>15081854
Rollin for flawed

rolled 4 = 4

>>15081854
Flaws! They make it more fun.

>>15081865
The chapter, has pure gene-stock.
I don't think the Iron hands have a published Codex Demeanor, so lets roll for one.

Roll 1d10 to determine Codex Demeanor.

rolled 10 = 10

Rolling for New Generation/Flawed

rolled 10 = 10

Rolling for New Generation/Flawed

>>15081865
The chapter has pure gene-seed. I don't think that there's a published codex demeanor for the Iron Hands, so let's roll one up.

Roll 1d10

rolled 9 = 9

Rollan

rolled 3 = 3

For Demeanour.

Iron Hands? Fuck yeeeeees. We've not had a single one of those yet. Plenty of fucking Raven Guard, Smurfs & Blood Angels though.

rolled 10 = 10

>>15081888
Rawling

>>15081915
>>15081917
Two tens! The dice gods have spoken, the chapter has had a flaw introduced in its gene seed. After we roll up the codex demeanor we'll roll on flaws.

rolled 10 = 10

>>15081954
Praise de Dice God
Dice for the Dice God
Rolls for the Roll Throne

>>15081933
"Brothers in Battle" the chapter's battle brother's are renowned for their willingness to fight and die for one another.

Roll 1d10 to determine the chapter's flaws.

>>15081917
>>15081939
>>15081969
Whatahell
All of my Rolls are 10s

rolled 8 = 8

>>15081971
For Flaws

rolled 6 = 6

>>15081971
Rolling

rolled 5, 7, 8 = 20

We have lots of flaws.

>>15081981
"Eye to Eye" The chapter sees no honor in any other form of combat than man to man, eye to eye. It eschews many other aspects of war and always seeks to deliver the killing blow in person, at the very speartip of battle. Battle-Brother's of the chapter are temperamentally or doctrinally ill disposed towards other tactics, and are often overcome with the desire to witness in person the death of their foes. Some indulge in grisly rituals to prove their measure in close combat such as the taking of heads or ripping out the foe's still beating heart before his very eyes.

Roll 1d10 to determine if our chapter has a gene-seed deficiency. On a roll of 1 or 2 there is a deficiency.

rolled 1 = 1

>>15082023

rolled 1 = 1

Deficiency

rolled 3 = 3

>>15082023
Come on deficiency.

At the moment I'm getting a sort of very honourable vibe from these guys. Brotherhood and chivalry.

>>15082024
There is a deficiency in the chapter's gene seed.

Roll 1d10 to determine the deficiency.

rolled 2 = 2

>>15082035

rolled 2 = 2

>>15082035
Rolling

rolled 9 = 9

>>15082035

>>15082049
The battle brothers of the chapter see exceptionally well in the dark but if they remove their helmets in full light they have difficulty seeing.

Roll 1d10 to determine chapter characteristic modifiers.

rolled 6 = 6

>>15082072
Rawlling Baybeh

rolled 6 = 6

>>15082072
Mods

>>15082072
Whoops forgot a 0, sorry about that.

Roll 1d100.

rolled 30 = 30

>>15082089
Rollin'

rolled 36 = 36

>>15082089
For Mods.

>>15082094
The warriors of the chapter are well known for being skilled with both blade and bolter.

Roll 1d100 to determine the chapter's figure of legend.

rolled 81 = 81

>>15082110
Come on epic...

rolled 66 = 66

>>15082110

rolled 1 = 1

>>15082114
ROLLING

>>15082114
A company captain is our chapter's hero.

Roll 1d10 to determine which company he was from.

rolled 1 = 1

>>15082141

rolled 4 = 4

>>15082141

>>15082151
The captain lead the 1st company, so he lead the veterans/terminators.

Roll 1d100 to determine the captain's deeds of legend.

rolled 4 = 4

Rolling for DEED!

rolled 49 = 49

>>15082161
Rolling For BRUTAL Deed

>>15082176
The captain was a staunch bulwark against Chaos and slew a Daemon Prince single-handedly. Going with this one because killing a Daemon prince is more epic than killing Orks.

Roll 1d100 to determine the chapter's home world.

rolled 81 = 81

Home Roll

>>15082220
The chapter has its fortress monastery on an uninhabited world.

Roll 1d100 to determine the climate of the home world.

rolled 89 = 89

Climate

rolled 76 = 76

>>15082237
Rolling for something awesome.

I'm sorry but I need to ask somewhere.
How do I roll?

>>15082245
The chapter makes it's home on an airless uninhabited rock.
Since the chapter needs somewhere to draw recruits from lets roll to see how many of the nearby planets are used as recruitment worlds. We can flesh them out later.
Roll 1d10.

rolled 14 = 14

>>15082269
Dice+xdy in the e-mail field
x= amount of dice rolled
y= how many sides each dice has
See in my e-mail it's dice+1d100, one dice with a hundred sides.

rolled 5 = 5

Recruitment

>>15082269
In the email field
Dice+1d10
or
Dice+1d100

Basically Dice+(#of dice) d (how many sides are on the die)

rolled 79 = 79

>>15082273
One, our "planet" is a moon.

>>15082281
The chapter recruits from 5 nearby worlds, we'll flesh these out later.

These sounds like chivalrous knights in space, who never remove their helmets. They make use of well forged armor and weaponry, because they are Iron Hands.

>>15082293
>>15082306
I kind of like the moon idea, what do you guys think?

>>15082318
Moon idea please, 5 world is alot!

>>15082318

Moon is cool.

>>15082342
Moon it is.

Roll 1d100 to determine the type of world the chapter recruits from.

>>15082388
Rollin' for first time! (thanks for the help guys)

rolled 92 = 92

Recruits!

>>15082395
But..I put Dice+1d100 in the e-mail field...y u nu roll dice?

God I suck.

rolled 64 = 64

>>15082388
They see me rollan'

rolled 29 = 29

>>15082413
>>15082395
Have you got a space between the + and the 100? Try retyping it. Or use a lower case d, although I'm sure I use a capital D a lot and it works.

>>15082416
The chapter recruits from a medieval world.

Roll 1d100 to determine the terrain of the home world.

rolled 36 = 36

Terrain

rolled 51 = 51

>>15082437
Okay, definitely a knight theme. For the name I think we should go for _____ Gauntlet/s.

Trying again. Don't want to waste valuable post with my weak roll-fu. So last try!

>>15082457
The chapter recruits from a medieval desert world.

Roll 1d10 to determine the chapter's relationship with the recruitment world.

rolled 31 = 31

>>15082458
Moon Gauntlets?
anyway
rolling

rolled 8 = 8

rolling

>>15082458
I don't know, the way the OP described the chapter flaw "Eye to Eye" sounded pretty brutal for a group of space knights.

rolled 5 = 5

>>15082466
THIS IS OUR CHAPTER THEME.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS8rpt1y6lk

rolled 4 = 4

>>15082482
Knights can be brutal as fuck, though.

Just because we're going to stab you through the stomach while facing you instead of behind you doesn't mean it hurts less.

>>15082476
The chapter's relationship with the recruitment world is that of distant rule.

Roll 1d10 to determine chapter organization. This will determine how well the chapter follows the codex astartes.

>>15082318

I like the Gauntlet name, a nudge towards the iron hand and keeping it with the knight theme.
How about Black Gauntlets? Thinking Black Knight ish, brutal but with a code of honour.

rolled 3 = 3

>>15082483
Captain Quixote, founder of the Chapter?

>>15082488
>>15082482
Did anyone else notice that the chapter was founded for a crusade and they control a desert medieval world? I think we just made the Kinghts Templar/Hospitaller.

>>15082512
Mite b cool.

rolled 80 = 80

>>15082523
Good catch.

rolled 93 = 93

Maybe just "The Gauntlet"? I always liked the single named chapters.

rolled 8 = 8

>>15082523
Eh... we might want to take it a different way. We've already the Black Templars.

rolled 95 = 95

But arn't The Black Templars already basicly the Templar Knights of 40k?

>>15082540
The chapter is divergent in it's organization, picking and choosing what it thinks works best from the Codex Astartes.

Roll 1d10 to determine combat doctrine for the chapter. Rolls of 7 (Thunderhawk Assault) will be ignored because I just don't have that kind of money.

rolled 6 = 6

Doctrine

rolled 45 = 45

>>15082559
Rolling

rolled 44 = 44

>>15082559
Rolling!
(And it seems like I discovered how!)

>>15082581
The chapter prefers to use drop pods in it's assaults.

Roll 1d100 to determine Chapter Beliefs.

rolled 41 = 41

Beliefs.

rolled 60 = 60

Rollin' for beliefs

rolled 24 = 24

LET'S GO DEATH CULT

rolled 84 = 84

Rollan'
Also I'm quite partial to this "Black Knight" sort of savage but honorable combatant idea.

>>15082611
The chapter reveres the Emperor above all, even their Primarch, Ferrus Manus. I think this could be explained by the fact that the chapter doesn't know when it was founded, maybe they don't know their progenitor chapter either?

Roll 1d10 to determine the chapter status.

>>15082610
What about drop pods.... on defence?

>>15082661
Well they're stationed on a moon so drop podding to protect the planet below kind of makes sense.

rolled 10 = 10

Status

The drop pods should be shaped like fists - giant armoured gauntlets raining from the sky!

>>15082677
The chapter is over strength, their numbers are well over the limit prescribed in the Codex Astartes.

rolled 8 = 8

They could use the placement of their pods to effectively construct orbital bombardment castles on planets they're assaulting.

Roll 1d100 to determine a chapter ally.

>>15082695
What do you mean by an orbital bombardment castle? Like, land the pods so they make a castle?

>>15082673
>>15082690
If they should be so bold we will smite them from orbit with multiple defensive multiple simultaneous defensive simultaneous deep defensive multiple strikes! STEEEEEEL RHAAAAAAIN!!!!!!

rolled 7 = 7

>>15082708
Yeah, you could easily utlize the pods as towers or strongpoints to rally around, alot like a deployable castle. Add in the Iron Hands connection and the chapter probably has plenty of Tarantula turrets.

Also, roll is for Ally

rolled 4 = 4

Rollan' for chapter ally.

>>15082720
The chapter is on good terms with the Adeptus Arbites. Maybe they work together to combat interplanetary crime in the sector?

>>15082745
Roll 1d100 to determine the chapter's enemy.

Captcha: Ticanis XXXIII, perhaps the name of the moon the chapter has it's fortress monastery on? That would mean there's a ton of moons though.

rolled 86 = 86

>>15082763
For Enemy

The captcha could be a hereditary name for the Chapter Master (or Grand Master if we go that route). Given that we lost our records, that name could be one of the only links to our chapter's past.

rolled 61 = 61

>>15082763

rolled 28 = 28

>>15082774
Previous captcha "For Omiterve" I vote to make that the hero of the Enemy,

>>15082774
>>15082776
Let's combine these two, the chapter has a special hatred for a certain group of chaos space marines, and works with the adeptus arbites to stop the chaos pirates attacking trade ships in the region.

>>15082780

The enemy is lead by the foul Daemon Prince/Chaos Lord/ Sorcerer Omiterve.

rolled 4 = 4

>>15082812
Arbites don't really deal with pirates. they would deal with seditious Chaos activity on a planet's surface though.

>>15082834
even better. arbites on the ground The Gauntlets in Spess.

That about wraps it up for chapter creation. I'll leave it to you guys to decide who the chapter's enemy(ies) should be.

I'll post a summary in a bit and then we can get cracking on color scheme in stuff.

Also, is everybody happy with the name The Gauntlets?

rolled 69 = 69

>>15082905
Maybe Emperor's Gauntlets, or Gauntlets of the Emperor?

>>15082952
I like it BUT isn't it abit to close to the Imperial Fist?

>>15082952
I like the Emperor's Gauntlets.

The Emperor has thrown his Gauntlets down at thee, foul heretics!

>>15083028
Also the use of Emperor in the chapter title links to their reverence of the Emperor above all.

>>15083028
>>15082952
>>15083014
Personally I like The Gauntlets better. There aren't enough single noun names out there.

>>15083045
I'm for the single noun name aswell. And Emperor's Gauntlet sounds very simular to Imperial Fist

rolled 99 = 99

>>15083045
Yeah, but a lot of the single names are actiony single names "Revilers, Rampagers, Marauders" rather than object nouns.

Brotherhood of the Gauntlet?
Knights of the Gauntlet?

rolled 87 = 87

>>15083127
I'm good with either of those

>>15083045
I'm fine with just the Gauntlets then.

Summary:
- Founded to fight in a crusade
- Records of the chapter's founding have been lost or destroyed
- The Iron Hands are the Progenitor Chapter
- Flawed Gene-Stock
- Chapter Flaw: "Eye to Eye" warriors of the chapter like to kill their foes up close in person.
-Codex Demeanor: "Battle Brothers" The warriors of the chapter are renowned for their bonds of fraternity.
- Deficient Gene-Stock: Battle brothers see exceptionally well at night but have difficulty seeing in bright light if they take off their helmets.
- The chapter's battle brothers are known for being skilled with both ranged and melee weapons.
- The chapter's hero was the captain of the first company who single-handedly killed a Daemon Prince
-The chapter has it's fortress monastery on an airless moon of a medieval desert world where it recruits from.
-The chapter prefers to fight using drop pods
-The chapter has good relations with the adeptus arbites
- The chapter's enemy is a group of Chaos Space Marines (I think?)

I think I got everything but I might have missed some stuff.

>>15083127
Okay so the general consenus seems to be:
Brotherhood of the Gauntlet
Knights of the Gauntlet
The Gauntlets

Guys, guys.

We're going for a knight theme, right? And it's a feudal desert world?

I say we base it off Iberia. Differentiate them from the other knight themed space marines (Dark Angels, Black Templars)

Or we could do Arabian Knights... with less of a templar theme.

>>15083175
I love that all of those where my ideas. If going with "The Gauntlets" I say skip the plural and just have it be "The Gauntlet"

>>15083208
Itried googeling Iberian and Iberian Knights but coldn't find any fitting pictures, could you explain it abit more?

>>15083217
Ooooh, we could have it as a double meaning. On the one hand, a gauntlet is the chapter's symbol and reference to their knightly like nature on the other hand it can also refer to their initiation, maybe they have to run through a gauntlet to become a marine!

>>15083244
It suits their "only honour in close combat" doctrine. I like it.

>>15083241
By Iberia I mean the Islamic period of Spain. Muslim marines, but not Arabian Maines. Give 'em something to differentiate them.

>>15083241
SANTIAGO

I've been doing some thinking and reading, and I think I've come up with some good ideas.

First, I think the name "The Brotherhood of the Gauntlet" works best.

The Iron Hands have no chapter master, instead each company (called a clan) sends one of it's most revered members to take part of a council. This fits the brotherhood/knightly order (think Camelot) idea.

Now here's the second part, it's a bit of a stretch. I think in a bit of fluff somewhere it mentions that Ferrus Manus' body was never recovered after Fulgrim slayed him on Istaan V.

The Brotherhood of the Gauntlet is guarding one of Ferrus Manus' gauntlets/hands. Since they don't know the details of their founding, they might not even know it, only seeing the gauntlet as one of their chapter's most important relics.

>>15083280
Interesting tie-in with canon there. i like the whole council of peers idea as part of a knighlty order's structure too.

>>15083271
This works, they have their base on a moon, the moon is a large part of islamic symbolism, we could work that into their heraldry somewhere.

If we can pull of Psuedo Islamic Marines without going all Stormfront this can end up really cool

So now we have moorish knight marines? /tg/ you never cease to impress me.

Let's start working on a color scheme.
Elements to incorporate:
Moorish heraldry/colors
Iron hands stuff
The moon?

Who needs attack bikes when you have... Cyber-Camels!?

NOW STUCK IN MY HEAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkVujOWuuc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a0n75E4zxk

>>15083364
I know a guy who could hook you up with a good camel, little crazy though...

>>15083273
>>15083273
>>15083273

sauce plox

Obviously everybody and I mean EVERYBODY need to have a powerfist.

>>15083364

You want camel upgrade?! I give you camel upgrade! Guaranteed not to come down with cyber-psychosis in the first year or 200,000 kilometers!

>>15083364
man crazy hassan is going to have a field day

Maybe the planet's PDF rides camels?

What codex should we use for the army? I think Vanilla Marines or Black Templars would work.

can someone please archive this thread?

It's a painting called "The Siege of Acre"

KNOW YOUR ART

Also, have a Moorish Knight

>>15083415

all threads get archived at easymodo

http://archive.easymodo.net/tg/

>>15083411
I'm saying BT codex. It handles the Eye-to-Eye flaw well, and they have Sword Brethren and other knightly trappings. Also, Land Raider Crusaders.

>>15083428
Not to mention the drop pods.

I could see the donning somekind of beige and blue colorscheme. No idea why though, seems knight-ish and desert-y at thesame time.

>>15083436
Amen, Brother.

Alright, so we are now the Brotherhood of the Gauntlet.
I like this, I like this a lot.

I have to duck out for a bit but I should be back in about 2 hours.

You guys are awesome.

Is there anything like this for an imperial guard regiment? ;_;

Quick colour scheme idea.

>>15083566
Tallarn a bit, but they don't have all of the knight stuff this will have.

>>15083570
Hmm didn't do the neck.

Actually looking at the thumbnail I don't like my own idea. Oh well, gave it a shot.

>>15083582
I like the pattern of it, maybe some kind of bone-ish color instead of green?

>>15083620
I think we need to do something with the hands, maybe veterans have a different color for their gauntlets?

Someone should archive this thread.

The colours of the Abbasid caliphate (which help Spanish provinces) were White with a Black triangle at the side and a yellow orb. Perhaps we could use them as our colours?

Went with the blue and tan suggested earlier. One of the guantlets is silver to reference the progenitor chapter (and the gauntlet artifact if that ends up staying around)

>>15083640
This is a good idea.

>>15083664
If you're going off of the Wikipedia picture, it's just a black and yellow/gold pennant. The white is just background. Black with yellow accents is already taken by the Scythes of the Emperor.

If these are Muslim Feudal Marines compared to the Black Templar's and Dark Angel's Christian Feudal Marines, then let's use some cultural differences for differences between the Chapter.

For one component, they probably have a higher respect for learning and medicine.
They are also probably less... ruthless, if what I remember from slouching during history documentaries is correct, Muslim dynasties at the period we're talking about subjugated their oppressed minorities less. They still did it, but to a lesser extent.

Hey, I noticed that the chapter has chaos space marines as an enemy. The iron hands hate slaanesh right?

Maybe we should have that homebrew chapter, the Slaanesh Angels as the chapter's foes.

>>15083701
Chaplains = Imams?
Apothecaries/Librarians/Techmarines get the prefix Ibn before their names?

>>15083670
I likes yours a lot better.

Here's a revised version of my previous one, but my vote goes for yours.

>>15083648
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15081716/
archived

>>15083760
Ugh. I always forget a little piece to paint and I always spot it after posting.

>>15083701
The extent of the subjugation was non-muslims pay more taxes, non-jews/christians pay even more.

Which worked up until people started converting to islam for the tax breaks.

>>15083715
The perverted angels of the Glistering Host vs the Knights of the Gauntlet?

Could work.

>>15083775
>>15083760
I like theese, prehaps shining silver gauntlets?

>>15083738
Sounds good.

>>15083738

Eh, we don't want to veer too far into the muslim aspect, I say keep chaplains, but a more arabic/muslim personal naming would look nice

I think similar to the Storm Wardens they should have a sword instead of a combat knife for all marines.

How about a scimitar or shamshir?

>>15083842
A ceremonial Falchion maybe? less sissy than a scimitar.

If I remember correctly Islamic Spain was the centre of Europe for:
-SCIENCE!
-Medicine
-Music

Possibly the marines are helping the local populance advance?

Also I can't find anything about their millitary, it'd be nice to know of knight equivalents and things.

Being successors of the Iron Hands, what are their relation to bionics?

>>15083933

So maybe they have a decent relationship with The Mentors then? Since the Mentors like advancing tech and being all progressive and what not.

Here's my take on the color scheme.

>>15084088

whoops, tiny image.

>>15084069
I'd believe they'd be pro-biotics.

Links to the whole Moor thing too. Fuck yeah, let's progress technology.

here we go

I just started my marine army and I'm going to roleplay the army- they became much more independant from the imperium and clash with them more often than space marines should- Using the CSM book with normal marines with imperial iconography, purity seals etc removed. Going to see if they fall all the way into spikes and tentacles chaos or stay sane enough to just be opportunistic mercenaries or raiders, or re joining the imperium proper.

So bionics, techological prgogressive and quite a handfull of Apothacaries to cover the medicine part?

Ah, found an Islamic equivalent to a Knight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furusiyya

From this I'm getting a more Salamander vibe of helping the populace. I imagine there's an emphasis of learning in the Chapter and, as they only interfere from a distance there's some gradual manipulation of the planet's society. The odd technology here and there so they can progress.

I like this whole idea because it seems very different to normal chapter creation stuff. It's not east Asian or Western in its basis.

That makes it more difficult to pull off and fluff out, but I think /tg/ can do it.

So Iconography, an iron gauntlet, a moon (cresent?) Something to do with brotherhood and/or their strong bond?

>>15084559
Alright I got an idea for a symbol.

Star filled space background, in it a large metal chain.

In middle of the chain is a steel gauntlet grasping a crescent moon.

goddamnit. i need to reply faster... here's some crap i came up with that probably won't be used:

since these guys favor in your face tactics ... and take after knights ... imho it makes sense that they should wear bright, bold colors ... with lots of arcane but very visible patterns ...

tarantula turrets are the complete opposite of in your face; they are ranged weapons controlled from afar. fucks no. when you throw down the gauntlet, you throw down with the emperor's men, face to face, with rapid-firing bolters and chainswords, dropped in from orbit ...

>>15084797
the following is a bunch of crap y'all are free to ignore; i wrote most of this after my browser crashed, long before the moorish knights were suggested:

"Omiterve" - both 'Omit' and 'Omiter' sound asian indian ... and dark skin makes sense on a desert world ... a name that ends with '-erve' makes me think of the french ... and the imperial french are well known for fielding colorfully dressed knights -and in fact 'chivalry' is derived from a french word ...

an asian indian & gaulic knight themed chapter sounds fairly unique -in fact i fucking laughed out loud as i typed that- and both cultural inclusions make sense in their own way; asian indians invented kung fu -which is very in your face- and the gaulic knights wear colorful knight uniforms -which makes sense both for intimidating the enemy and for maintaining unit cohesion amidst the kind of chaos that comes with 'in your face' combat tactics ... the uniforms of knights later inspired sport uniforms, such as for rugby, and i don't know about the french but it seems like the indians have really taken to such sports ...

when i think of indian martial arts, i think of small shields and whip blades, as well as throwing disks and curved blades ... large, pointy swords with curving edges -i can't remember what these are called but think of the old triangle shaped space marine power swords, but slanted and with 'flame' edges like a flamberge ... or just think of a flamberge that is slanted and gets wider at the bottom. of course, kung fu is not limited to bare fists or any single type of weapon; all close combat weapons are possible, including pikes, halberds ...

power-whip blades and chakras! IT MUST BE SO.

>>15084810
one more thing on combat tactics: asian indians made extensive use of cheap, female combatants -i believe they are credited with the first known use of what became kunoichi in the east- which meshes well with the whole 'distant rule' thing; perhaps a local sororitas coven does most of the heavy lifting on the recruiting worlds -doing most of the actual work, while the knights of course get most of the credit. perhaps the two forces are inseparable, going on crusading missions together, with the sororitas acting as a covering assault force to protect the knights, who would naturally act as pinpoint strike forces ; perhaps this chapter is known for uniting the two competing lawful entities, the arbites, who would serve the administratum, and the sororitas who serve the priesthood. the arbites are like the fbi and sororitas are like special forces working for the cia.

>>15084836
-actually, come to think of it, 'distant rule' also meshes with the indian caste system... at least in some ways; perhaps the knights feel they are above the daily work of governing their homeworlds, and so leave the task to the sororitas and arbites -and therefore are rarely ever seen by common imperial citizenry. however, the knights inevitably must work closely with the sororitas and arbites in order to unite them and direct them, that they would work more efficiently. perhaps their 'chivalrous' demeanor and outlook permits such loyalty.

-perhaps 'chivalrous' in this case simply means these marines would rather hold off on extreme tactics like exterminatus, and would rather make pinpoint strikes solely toward the guilty party ... treading the 'middle path,' as it were. then again, how would this unite them with the arbites and sororitas ... i guess we could go the other way and have 'chivalrous' mean the exact opposite, as de rigueur in 40k, meaning utter ruthlessness at the mere hint of guilt. although that seems more fitting, it also seems more bog-standard.

...what's the point of creating a unique chapter if it feels exactly like an existing chapter? i can't really think of any traditionally knightly marines, save for the salamanders (who really are more tribalistic). but of course, aside from chivalrous ideals, knights tended to be dicks in real life. hm.

-dickish assholes who send the sororitas to do the dirty work, and then claim all the glory, while hoisting proud battle standards. that actually sounds unique.

-sororitas and chakrams. and perhaps they are led by a wild-tempered canonness 'xenaar.' ...maybe that's too much.

>>15084860
if the knights are indian, and their favored enemy is chaos, the automatic inclination is to draw from hindu mythology ... the obvious gods to look to are shiva and kali ...

shiva - blue skin, many arms, god of destruction and transformation = sounds tzeentchian. the gauntlet knights would absolutely require the use of both sororitas and arbites if they are facing a tzeentchian enemy ... perhaps their favored enemy is led by a chaos champion named 'shivar' (is that too obvious?) ... the followers of shiva are called shaivites, from sanskrit saiva ... that sounds like 'savor,' and 'saiga' ... of course, savor makes me think of slaanesh ... maybe the chaos champion really savors the act of creating change, and is adorned with goat-skull icons ... maybe his is a tzeentchian force that wears horned helms.

kali - many arms, goddess of destruction, her dance causes the end of the universe ... organizations just feel female somehow, since they are created to create something else ... if i were to extend the name kali, immediately i think of 'kalimarr' -which sounds like calimari, baby squid, which fits both the slaaneshi and tzeentchian themes quite well; squidlike creatures are often depicted in propaganda to represent an insidious and growing force, and male squids literally reproduce through raping ... 'kalliva' also springs to mind, which sounds like cleaver, which fits the destruction theme but sounds more khornate ... perhaps these chaos marines are armed with battlefield cleavers, which are like chinese 'guan dao' -or force halberds, minus the spike on the back of the blade ...

>>15084875
the chinese thing makes me think of the present economic competition between the asian indians and east asians.
-perhaps the chaos pirates are led by an east asian chaos champion. hell, 'saiga' sounds like an asian name ... and of course asian martial arts is derived from the indians so there's that 'pirate' thing. of course, asian pirates like to think they improve on the things they steal (which is questonable, except for simple devices, where the pirate goods actually do use better components) so perhaps these pirates are armed similarly to the gauntlet knights, but have better quality weapons ... idunno.

-perhaps the chaos champion could be made using one of the white scars conversion sets -with a mounted man's cleaver, an asian head, and a small shield- and a chaos champion or librarian body that incorporates a goat's skull.

...so basically i've created an analog for the current conflict between the indians and asians.

>>15084890
final bullshit post from before moorish knights were suggested.

as for appearance...

if y'all decide to go with the indian influence, there's a lot of interesting headgear y'all can go with. besides the obvious turbans and headscarfs with feathered and jewelled broaches, there are also pointed hats incorporating throwing disks ...

these marines are knights ... should they wear tabbards? the french knights wore brightly colored tabards (contrasts against black templars) and their armor is steel grey ... actually, i can't imagine that a tabard would survive close combat very well ... perhaps these marines should be given colorful armor instead (which would be a relief from all the boring black and grey) ... actually, since these marines come from a desert world, perhaps they could wear goldenseal colored armor ; the color of sand and dust ; it's hard to pick out at a distance, yet impossible to ignore up close ... or, following hindu mythology, perhaps they should have pearly blue armor -which would make them stand out at a distance, except at night, but they would definitely stand out up close.

sport designs would make sense for identifying squadmates, and are derived from medevial insignia ... stripes, chevrons, crosses, maybe a quartered scheme painted on individual units to make them easily identifiable amidst chaos ... perhaps the use of animals to depict different companies (french) or attack roles (asian) ;

'in your face' means it might be difficult to maintain unit cohesion on the battlefield; brightly colored , cleverly patterned uniforms would make sense.

PS: FUCK THE CAPTCHA

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Even though those are some cool ideas for a chapter, using those for the Gauntlet would ignore the whole " /tg/ group project" process. Which would be a shame after all this work.

Okay, found a slight islamic equivalent of a Knight:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataphract

Now so far these Marines have been pretty bro. Bros to each other, all for the progression of mankind. But we already have a few bro marines out there, and this allows the introduction of a flaw.

While they are all for research, technological progress and have close bonds with one another they are also arrogant fuckers. Hit and run tactics, but honourable so. Terrify enemy by dropping in drop pods, charge in, bolter blazing, chop em up a bit, retreat with bolters also blazing. Rinse and repeat. Also it seems a lot of the noble Muslim warrior seemed to fight on horseback and there's a lot of emphasis on that. Possibly a high biker list as well, this is also a divergence from Dark Angels and Black Templars.
Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sipahi
Another Muslim equivalent which gives me the idea that while the Chapter distantly rules the planet, sections of the Planet may be responsible for the upkeep and maintaining order of a section of the planet. Shit goes down, they deal with it. In return the people of the planet work in factories and provide services for the Marines.

>>15084576

>Star filled space background, in it a large metal chain. In middle of the chain is a steel gauntlet grasping a crescent moon.

You mean that the chain form a loop? Yeah that could work. If we don't want to be too obvious about the muslim connection we could use a full moon instead of a cresent (having a closed gauntlet in the middle of a full moon surrounded by a chain for example)

>>15084947
We don't got to go with everything said in the thread, the majority picks and chooses good ideas. I'll point out ideas that I think are good to add.
I like the idea of bright and outlandish aesthetics, goes with the arrogance flaw suggested.

The idea of an Islamic based Eccleisary work working with the Marines is good, meshes with the knight thing and we can bring in some Islamic elements. Not sure if Sororitas will work, was there ever an Islamic equivalent to a nun?

I like the idea of them enforcing a caste system. On one hand they bring progress to this planet. On the other you will do as we fucking say. This perhaps may originate that the Marines are possibly only recruited from the noble classes of the planet.

>>15084952
An arrogant "not part of our brotherhood? fuck off then" attitude towards everybody else would be pretty cool yeah.

>>15084975
That could work too.

I was think the gauntlet could grasp a crescent moon so it's held like (_) in the gauntlet, two pointy ends pointing upwards like it's going to use the fucking moon to stab you.

Sorry about having to leave for a while guys, I had to take my brother to the ER (he cut his foot open swimming in a river with some friends, he's fine just needed a few stitches and a tetanus shot).

I've been thinking about how we should name the marines' roles.
So far we've got:
Ibn prefix - Librarians/Techmarines/Apothecaries
Cataphract/Furusiyya - Biker Marines
IIRC Cataphract is a distinctly Persian word

I was thinking maybe we could call the Tactical Marines Janissaries, although it's more in the Ottoman tradition than the Moorish one, I think it could work.

>>15084947
indeed. i would have abstained from going off the rails as such, but my browser decided to take a shit just as i was getting excited. anyways, the stuff is there if anyone wants it. i had fun writing the crap, and thought it wouldn't be as complete of a waste if someone else at least read it. sorry if i upset anyone.

back on topic, i really like the silver fist idea on the last paint scheme.

>>15083775
This could be the base armor but with bright and eye-capturing tabards. Thought?

i really like the first idea for the caste system as stated in >>15084860 i like the idea of mariens working with their imperial peers to better the ones under their rule.

lso i was thinking about the hearldry:
- a full moon with a armored hand out stretched behind it. Earth in the top left corner surrounded by a halo and filigree of some sort bottom right would be the system they are from, with the five planets and the sun.

>>15085035
I think we can stretch the naming/millitary side of things to feudal Islamic stuff since we've got so little on the Moors.

One thing that we could do to emphasize that aspect is try to emphasize the Christian-Islam dynamic with an equivalent on the planet. Perhaps it's a recently reconquered world, claimed by the Brotherhood and they've told them FUCK YOUR OLD MONOTHEISTIC GOD, YOU WORSHIP THE EMPEROR NOW.

I think we can represent it in other ways but I'm not sure how.

>>15085089
Sounds like a good idea. Doesn't a version of the Marine painter allow tabards? Let's have a look at what it looks like.

Oh god, I just thought of something.

You guys know Jack Chick, right? In one of his tracts he accused Islam of worshipping a "moon god".

We must insert a Heretic by the name of Chick who worships the old religion of the planet and claims the "Emperor" is the Imperium's embodiment of their moon, hence why the Marines seem to talk so highly of it. (Do they know the Marines reside in the moon or do they think they just descend from heaven?) He claims the marines are demons.

>>15085145
The chapter rules distantly, so maybe the populace thinks they're angels, seeing as how they live on the moon.
Seeing as how the Moors let people have different religions as long as they paid extra taxes, I think the Brotherhood could secretly give the factions on the planet that worship the Emperor better technology.

>>15085214
sounds good!
I like this chapter!

>>15085214
Rather lax on heretics, of the non-Chaos variant, then? They fund Imperial efforts for conversion but they don't just kill 'em all.

Of course no public displays of heresy are allowed. But the Brotherhood is aware certain households cling to their heretical way and tithe them more instead of just slaughtering them.

Speaking of heretics, the arch enemy and the deed that our Chapter's hero committed is Chaos, shall we fluff that?

What might be interesting is to theme a Chaos cult with some Christian influences, subverting the usual Imperium = Christianity thing.

>>15085214
Allowing factions that don't worship the Emperor on the planet (even if they do intend to convert them) will probably attract the ire of the Inquisition.

>>15085367
This might work well.

We can reference the Spanish Inquisition and the whole Reconquista.

Let's say our Marines don't get on with the Inquisition. At all. Perhaps their beliefs on the Emperor are slightly odd? What are some Islamic theological points, that differ from Christianity, that we can fuse with their reverence of the Emperor.

And I don't think we could execute Space Muhammed well.

>>15085360
A big thing for Christianity is hope, that's very much in the tzeentch's field.
The cult thing could mean there's some Alpha Legion presence on the planet.
Seeing as some noble houses are probably heretics means that there could be some Slaaneshi hedonism going on.

>>15085397
Maybe a certain inquisitor and a space marine chapter he/she recruited have got it out for the Brotherhood?

I agree about Space Muhammad, we really can't do that.

>>15085102
i like this, but i think the gauntlet should take the foreground, with an outline of a darkened moon in the back; if the outline is biased to one side, that could subtly suggest the islamic crescent without being too obvious.

>>15085454
Yeah, so a Tzeentch Christianity inspired cult? I could see that working.
>>15085411
You see the Black Templars would be PERFECT for this if the Inquisition wasn't wary of them too. Likewise with the damn Dark Angels.

but yeah, there's been a lot of arguments and hostility between the Inquisition and the Brotherhood. Maybe a lot over the planet? The Inquisition wanted it, they don't like how the Brotherhood run things, etc.

Oh here's a thing. Muslims tend to look down on the Trinity. I think this might be able to work with the whole Omnisiah angle, they might not get along with the Iron Hands and AdMech as well as they might because they refuse to differentiate between the Omnisiah and the Emperor even a little, this also links to their reverence of the Emp.

It'd help if we had someone who really knew a bit about Islam. I honestly don't know what most of the differences between Islam and Christianity are, the main theological ones at least.

This is the symbol for the Moors in Medieval Total War 2. Maybe we could shift the crescent symbol downward so it starts at the bottom and works its way up along the edge, while placing the gauntlet in the foreground.

>>15085546
Or, actually, we could do a Nurgle Christianity inspired cult. Jesus was also all about the love. We'd need a reason for mutual aggression whichever way we go about it, though.

>>15085555
That could look pretty cool. Wish we had some drawfags to try out some of these designs.

This going to be another /tg/ 40,000 chapter? If so, could someone make a quick summary of these guys?

>>15085555
i think the circle should be completed, with crater motifs, and maybe have the 'lit' side of the moon up top, so it's easier to depict the chapter symbol in one color -otherwise you have what looks like a 7 fingered hand from afar.

>>15085546
to eschew any faith in the mechanicus makes sense, after what happened during horus heresy. likewise, since the gauntlet knights have a strong predilection towards high technology -owing to their parent legion-, they would have, at one point, worked very closely with the mechanicus and ultimately may have discovered hintings of the void dragon, or something else clearly sinister and un-imperial within the machine cult ... they do not share such information publicly, because it would be suicide to attack the mechanicus outright, but now they completely distrust the servants of mars and independently maintain and manufacture their own weaponry. such could be a good reason why the inquisition would be curious about the gauntlet knights.


>>15085145
'jackknife' crick. i love it. is he a crackpot or the founder of a large movement? ... perhaps he leads a growing contingent of renegade guard, and the planet is about to fall into civil war, but the gauntlet knights have no clue since they rule from afar -or perhaps, civil war is already joined, and the attacks by cricks men grow bolder the longer the gauntlet marines fail to appear. again, another reason why the inquisition would be very curious. technically, crick leads rebels against the main planetary force, but the rebels' beliefs fall more in line with the inquisition.

the difference in faith between the knights and the rest of the imperium needs to be more fleshed out. perhaps they worship the living emperor and -again owing to their higher understanding of technology- do not regard the corpse on the golden throne as being the same.

>>15085214
when i think of islam, i think of iran, and the symbols of their religion are inescapable there. i think that symbols representing the knights should be similarly inescapable, although the knights themselves are never seen.

also, just as depictions of mohammed are forbidden, perhaps some depictions of the emperor should be similarly forbidden among the gauntlet marines; anything with a skull would be outright banned. that leaves eagles, laurels, purity seals and inscriptions, geometric shapes and symbols... but nothing depicting the emperor.

>>15085852
Ask and you shall receive.

Summary:
- Founded to fight in a crusade
- Records of the chapter's founding have been lost or destroyed
- The Iron Hands are the Progenitor Chapter
- Flawed Gene-Stock
- Chapter Flaw: "Eye to Eye" warriors of the chapter like to kill their foes up close in person.
-Codex Demeanor: "Battle Brothers" The warriors of the chapter are renowned for their bonds of fraternity.
- Deficient Gene-Stock: Battle brothers see exceptionally well at night but have difficulty seeing in bright light if they take off their helmets.
- The chapter's battle brothers are known for being skilled with both ranged and melee weapons.
- The chapter's hero was the captain of the first company who single-handedly killed a Daemon Prince
-The chapter has it's fortress monastery on an airless moon of a medieval desert world where it recruits from.
-The chapter prefers to fight using drop pods
-The chapter has good relations with the adeptus arbites
The chapter's enemy is a group of Chaos Space Marines (The Glistening Host?)

>>15085949
The chapter has a strong Moorish/Islamic theme.

The chapter has no chapter master but is instead governed by a council of the most revered members of each company.

The chapter places a special emphasis on learning, knowledge, technology, and medecine

Battle Brothers carry scimitars/falchions.

The marines believe in helping others and being progressive but are also quite arrogant.

Ibn prefix - Librarians/Techmarines/Apothecaries
Cataphract/Furusiyya - Biker Marines
Janissary - Tactical Marines

The planet the Brotherhood rules over is not unified in its worship of the Emperor. The marines encourage conversion to worshipping the God Emperor by secretly supplying factions (kingdoms?/caliphates?) that worship the Emperor with better technology.

The chapter has one of the gauntlets of the Primarch, Ferrus Manus in it’s possession, it is undetermined whether or not they know that the gauntlet belonged to the Primarch.

>>15085965
There is a Christianity-like Tzeentch (or Nurgle?) cult on the planet.
Possibly some Slaanesh worship among the nobles.
Possible Alpha Legion Presence

The Inquisition/an Inquisitor dislikes the Brotherhood because they have some odd views about the Emperor and their unwillingness to destroy non-Chaos heretics.

The Brotherhood does not differentiate between the Emperor and the Omnissiah or any of the Emperor’s other forms.

The chapter may have knowledge of the Void Dragon, they’ve cut all ties with Mars and the Mechanicus.

Since you're going with a Arabic knight theme what about the Mamluks?

>>15085454
what if 'mohammed' or 'maharmmed' (or some other bastardization of the name) were a rogue trader cum prophet of the emperor (since the islamic mohammed was a trader), having recieved a vision that tells him the gauntlet knights view of the emperor is the more correct one? in life he proclaimed imperial faith as passed down by the gauntlet knights, and sold weaponry and tools to imperial citizens based on gauntlet designs.

>>15086010
awesome. another source of inspiration! i can't help but notice that soldier has pointed toes, something we don't see a lot in 40k. a big point at the end of an armored boot would be pretty brutal.

>>15085912
Yes to both these ideas.

I like how this Chapter is quite balanced. It has the following Pros:
+ Fuck yeah technology + progression
+ Helps progression of planet
Cons:
- On bad terms with a lot of the Imperium, the AdMech and the Inquisition respectively are prime examples
- Marine supremacists, believe Marines are superior beings to normal humans and that their chapter is the best.

I added the former part of the latter con just now because I realized those sort of chapters exist, I think it fits well with our theme. They still protect humanity, but they do believe in their own superiority. In that way there are similar to their progenerators, the Iron Hands.

Chief Librarian Could be called a Vizier
Captians/Chapter Master could be Emir

>>15086073
I think it's more that they believe their ways are the best, that's why they share tech with the factions that worship Big E. They want to advance humanity as a whole.

So it's not so much an "If you're not a marine you suck." complex.

It's more of a "If you don't listen to us, you're a retard." complex.

So I was reading up on Arabic names, and I found the name Antarah it means heroic. I think that should be the name of the chapter's figure of legend.

>>15086152
Also, Junaid means "young fighter". A term for the scouts/neophytes?

>>15086069
I'm not too sure with having Space Muhammad. I mean yeah Emps is a lot like Space Jesus but it might be hard to execute.

I don't think Space Muhammad is a good idea, I'd hate to offend anyone. I think we're okay to draw from Middle Eastern cultures, but obvious religious stuff should be off limits.

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Brotherhood_of_the_Gauntlet

Basic as funky chicken at the moment. I just dumped the summary up there for now.

>>15086120
i'm having difficulty reconciling the two different islams in media.

there is the peaceful, advanced islam of legend, and the ... um... backwards islam we see depicted in news today.

on that note, i can't seem to find evidence of this quickly but i recall that at one point, iran sent waves of men armed solely with swords and small arms to confront tanks. perhaps the gauntlet cataphractii could use guardsmen in this manner, to send (relatively) poorly armed masses to face the brunt of the enemy, and distract their firepower as the cataphracti make precision strikes. 'the gauntlet directing the hammer,' as it were.

>>15086116
the administrative lords of the planet could be called 'imans;' a bastardization of 'imam' and the phrase 'i am a man'

>>15086152
that word sounds epic. maybe it could be a battlecry, 'antarrah cataphracti (heroic knights), ...something , something , something !!! '

>>15086175
love it. really rolls off the tongue, yet sounds totally different. imho they should refer to the initiates as 'junaid' colliquially, and refer to them as scouts when speaking of their battle role.

>>15086275
IIRC the chapter is going to be played with the black templar codex, so the junaides would be neophytes. This also fits with the knight theme, the junaides would be like squires.

>>15086319
drop pods and mounted cavalry sounds more like dark angels.

>>15086275
Yeah, shit's weird to think about it. But once upon a time the Islamic world was quite a bit ahead of us and Christian Europe was really retarded about a lot of things. Especially medicine. We.... yeah. Islamic doctors just facepalmed when they saw what they did.

They also had all the groove. And the European musicians went over and went "Daaaamn, look at that groove" and then they copied the groove. Yeah.

Hey, we need a name for the terminators. I know one guy mentioned we hadn't used mamluks yet but I don't know much about them. What do you guys think?

>>15086447
IIRC Mamluks are like Arabic Vikings

>>15086447
How about Silahtar? It means weaponmaster.

>>15086512
They were mostly Turkish actually.

>>15086216
well, you're gonna hate my next idea.

one of the most visible symbols of islam is the kaaba, the 'black cube,' a recreation of adam's home and a shrine housing 'the black stone,' an artifact that fell from the sky. abraham began his pilgrimmage after the kaaba was constructed.

it's a very visual idea; a black cube of about 13^3 meters, covered with religious inscriptions, housing a .

perhaps on the desert world there is a similar structure, the 'kuub,' that is a recreation of a bunker that was briefly used by the emperor... the black stone, however... damnit, i can't help but think of a soulstone, but we really don't need to give the inquisition any more reasons to reconsider these marines.

perhaps the gauntlets' black stone is a soulstone-like device, within which is recorded some secret information.

or perhaps, what if the black cube were a powerful computer, constructed by the cataphracti, and the black stone were the brain of the computer? what if this computer is used by the arbites to maintain order on the planet and by the cataphracti to make calculations as to where and how to rejoin their crusade... as an implement of the emperor's will, the cube would be a holy thing, and all servants of the emperor on the planet would make prayer toward the cube, likewise with prayers to the emperor.

>>15086526
Sounds good

>>15086526
'silahtar' would be perfect for a captain, techmarine or chapter master.

>>15086532
The cube I think we can get away with.

Muhammad, not so much.

Ok guys, I'm Turkish. I can help with the language.

>>15086643
Alright, what'd make a good name for Terminators?

And for that matter drop pods.

Here's another color scheme, it's a little on the drab side.

>>15086652
First of all, even though silahtar sounds awesome, it was more about being a bodyguard and maintaining the weapons of the Sultan and his viziers. Simply put, a terminator is a veteran warrior with better equipment, right?

>>15086529
speaking of turks, reputedly, turkish kids learn to recite the quran in an entirely different language than they actually speak. they're essentially 'singing' the quran without knowing precisely what they are saying.

a similar thing could happen on this planet, with barely literate citizenry quoting full verses in high gothic to show off to their superiors without having a deep understanding of what they're actually saying.

-even better if they quote awkwardly interrupted half verses that they think mean one thing when they really mean the opposite; like, a verse that proclaims worship over the holy trinity is quoted to mean worship only over the flesh and blood emperor.

one more thing; turkish society rewards good students with a full scholarship to university; likewise, perhaps this society is a meritocracy, and only the more intelligent and capable citizens are selected for stormtrooper training. thus, you have commissars (veteran stormtroopers) with a full understanding of high gothic, who can barely restrain their contempt for the common citizenry.

>>15086532
I think we can get away with this to some degree, first let's cut any religious stuff out. No praying towards the Kuub, that's way to obvious. Maybe the Kuub could be inside the fortress monastery (by the way we should call that The Casbah) and it's where the Gauntlet of Ferrus Manus is kept?

>>15086736
I like the idea of peasants memorizing High Gothic phrases.
The second idea doesn't really work because the planet is a medieval society with nobles and vassals and serfs.

>>15086738
Shareef he don't like it!
Rock the Casbah!
Rock the Casbah!

>>15086733
Pretty much, that could work.
>>15086738
Maybe the Marines could pray in front of the cube? We could justify it as it is supposedly a relic from Ferrus.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=
1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDeli_%2528Soldat%2529

Gentlemen, this is just fucking gold.

>>15086733
the word silhatar sounds singular. if it means bodyguard, perhaps the name is most fitting for a techmarine, who would sit in the back and repair

>>15086759
one definition of a noble is someone who can do anything; i see no conflict between what you said and this idea here >>15086759 having an exam that finds geniuses among the common people is a good mechanism for refreshing the noble blood.

perhaps only the progeny of nobles and the especially intelligent can become stormtroopers, but only the truly intelligent will survive to become commissars.

>>15086784
... Excellent.

Alright, we've been talking about the marines being all progressive and good with medicine, right? Well they made a warrior drug. You're a killing machine but not the brightest spark.

>>15086788
The other problem with your idea is that Stormtroopers and Commissars are trained in the Schola Progenium, schools for orphans of imperial officials.

>>15086806
Ok then. Sipahi would have been a perfect choice, they were elite, well armed and armored warriors. Too bad they were cavalry. The lack of heavily armed infantry in Middle East makes this project a bit harder really.

You know we haven't done much about the Chapter's flaw.

They are very good at night but not so much in daylight. However they seem to be quite honourable. How do we use the night in a fair enough way?

>>15086857
Maybe they make a vow before a night attack that if they haven't completed the battle before dawn they have to remove their helmets and continue to fight.

>>15086818
damnit, i thought that was just the cadians. ah well.

>>15086837
the terminators can be 'sepahii'
the mounted marines can be 'delii'; dat >>15086784 is too juicy to ignore.

>>15086868
since the deli used opium, a narcotic, maybe these marines are just high. -too high to notice that the sun is arisen, and oh fuck i gotta put on my helmet, but i'm in the middle of combat...

captcha: sureel nigger

I'm thinking maybe all the space marines carry the drug and if they have to fight in daylight after a prolonged they take the drug to give themselves a boost to even out the fact that they just ditched their helmets and are now basically blind. What are we going to call this drug?

>>15086955
meant to say after a prolonged night battle

>>15086908
I think this could be our chapter's thing.

Our Chapter, once, had close ties with the AdMech before they came to revile the Omnisiah-Emperor division but their ties were different from their progenitors. For while the Iron Hands say the flesh is weak so we must turn to metal, the Brotherhood says the flesh is weak so let us make it stronger.

They had close ties with divisio biologis and have come with many medical techniques to improve combat effectiveness. They work to improve these techniques.

>>15087057
I like this idea

maybe the drug could be called aga, after a legendary silhatar or sipahii ... although actually, since it has to do with space marine biology, an apothecary would be more fitting, but it wouldn't fit the legend as well...

whatever the drug is, it should be somewhat narcotic, to pay homage to the delil. to take it would dull the physical senses and 'sharpen' the mind -to hone in on smaller details, such as a weakness in armor, to the exclusion of all else;

a person on such a drug could be utterly brutal and precise in close combat, yet not realize that all his brothers have fallen or that the joined effort has failed.

captcha: prospects tionsitt

>>15087123
i meant to say 'agga,' as in 'aggro.'

captcha: atorshea john

>>15087123
Sounds good.

Also christ almighty, it's 3:30. I'm going to sleep /tg/, hope this is continued. I like the Brotherhood of the Gauntlet.

>>15087123
alright, how about this. an apothecary designed the drug, but it was made legendary after the exploits of a legendary sipahi -a mounted space marine given legendary brutality and fighting ability, and an equal measure of senselessness by the drug; ultimately, an ineffectual leader, but a hypercapable fighter.

the chapter named the drug after him, as he is the first and best -and continuing- testament to the value of the drug, having never stopped taking it since that fateful day. his altered, reckless nature is also the reason why the chapter convenes a council rather than following the whims of one man. that the entire chapter is often high on agga is also why they leave the ministrations of their homeworld to the adeptus.

-if we're going to use the dark angels codex, i think this 'agga-something' character could be well represented by the master of the ravenwing.

This agga drug sounds a lot like 'Slaught

>>15087328
>>15087328
damnit, i confused the names... the mounted marines are delii and the terminators are sepahi...

>>15087328
We're using the Black Templars codex, the chapter is more focused on drop pods than cavalry/bikes.

>>15087362
I thought the mounted marines were called cataphracts?

>>15087328
I'm not a big fan of the whole "chapter is high as fuck" idea. I think the drug should only be used in situations like "Oh shit the sun's out and I can't fucking see." or "Oh God Emperor we're losing, time to juice up."

So Muslims, have issues with the dead not being buried quickly. How does this affect the chapter's dreadnoughts?

>>15087379
god damnit, you're right. gah, i can't keep the names straight!

i thought ordinary marines were called cataphracti...

...actually, cataphract means 'enclosed,' whereas 'Furusiyya' specifically refers to mounted riders. 'cataphract' is too cool a word to leave to solely mounted marines.

>>15087365
dark angels can also take drop pods. ...but apparently dark angels drop pods can only hold 5 marines, unlike this present editions black templars. duly noted.

we'll need another character to stand in for agga then -maybe an emperor's champion?

-too bad; the master of the ravenwing seemed like a good fit.

captcha: poincare efferee

>>15087509
I'm thinking maybe before a big battle the chapter elects one of their own to be the "Emperor's Champion" (we'll come up with a cool name for it). They give him the best equipment and pump him so full of drugs that he basically becomes a killing machine, but he's lucky if he survives the battle. Generally if the enemy doesn't kill him, the drugs do.

>>15087496
it would be unspeakably bad if a drop pod based army couldn't take dreadnoughts. quick, someone come up with a legitimate and culturally appropriate justification!

captcha: seruroido hetume
...damn, that sounds like a good name for the drug actually. maybe agga is the colloquial name and the scientific name is 'seruroid hetume' injection.

...captcha failed, but the new captcha sounds relevant to dreadnoughts: 'crushed omberat'

>>15087568
>>15087496
since the drug takes after heroin, i'm thinking that a high dose could keep a marine alive despite horrific injury (-think the last scene of scarface, but tony survives the shotgun blast from behind and slaughters mr wears-sunglasses-indoors; heroin has an even stronger effect than cocaine) -but only until it wears off.

the chapter is cut off from the mechanicus, and so has a low supply of dreadnought bodies...

thus, only those elite champions who survive -and stand victorious, despite catastrophic injuries- are immediately entombed following battle, lest the drug wear off and the body die of shock.

the rest of the dead cataphracti are released from their armor and buried immediately... so their souls don't have to continue to suffer the horror of the kinds of physical injuries that come with close combat assault.

captcha: 1992 evernec

>>15087782
since the dreadnoughts are drugged up, crazy good fighters, that would explain why they're not consulted for tactical guidance, and are called upon for the most dire assaults.

captcha: assets ermsight

>>15087832
The chapter gives special reverence to dreadnoughts because they only wake for battle. An existence even the most hardened marine fears.

>>15087328
i meant to end that paragraph with arbites...

whoof... i'm clearly getting tired and muddleheaded...

actually, to go back to an even older, more defunct contribution... the islamists also made extensive use of cheap female combatants -a practice they continue to this day with retarded (literally) female suicide bombers.

that these marines hardly ever step onto their recruiting world leaves it open for some other party to take control; perhaps an allied missionary group and their sororitas coven. these radical missionaries believe as the gauntlet cataphracti do, but they play a far more active role on the homeworld -and even on crusades, it is the allied sororitas and guardsmen who are most often seen defending positions and driving the line forward. only brief glimpses of the cataphracti are ever seen, dropping from the sky to take the very best positions and the most valuable targets.

>>15087887
i don't think fear should be in the language of these marines -especially if they're on narcotics; on agga, there is nothing to fear, only challenges to overcome.

...kinda reminds me of the black knight from monty python and the holy grail... 'TIS ONLY A FLESH WOUND!'

captcha: honcho oivent

>>15088029

I think some of this homeworld stuff and the whole female combatants thing is veering a little too close to the line as far as what we want to take from the culture.

That and taking stuff from radical islamists just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Even if there is historic precedent.

>>15088466
since they're all about the living emperor, they wouldn't get along very well with the ecclesiarchy or the sisters anyways ... devotes of the living emperor's beliefs are all about rationality and numbers.

...speaking of which, i'm thinking 'quub' ought to be an acronym of something... quorum unitary utilitarian barracks... quotient utilizing ultimate blarneystone... ...i'm totally not serious about these names, but i think it should be something about the divination of strategies, or computation...

-perhaps the secret of the quub is, it is more than merely a powerful computer; the cpu of the quub is actually the eponymous gauntlet worn by a forgotten champion (???) -really one of the hands of ferrus manus- given new life, and a limited ability to communicate via the soulstone-like device which it grasps --which could actually be a necron ressurection orb, or a recreation thereof.

this secret may or may not be known to anyone in the chapter, and isn't known to anyone outside (???). the knowledge that went into creating the quub was lost because ... the silhatar who created it went missing ... because he was the one who figured out the link between the mechanicus and the void dragon, and was assassinated, reduced to component atoms via gauss weaponry (???). anyone within the chapter may or may not have figured this out.

-if this idea is selected, it adds a bit of irony to the chapter; that the emperor staunchly opposes any ai, yet the quub is an artificial construct that displays qualities which suggest an independent intelligence.

captcha: cers protati

>>15089401
i meant to say, anyone may or may not have figured out the cause of the silhatar's disappearance.

-if the idea about the ressurection orb is selected, perhaps the silhatar's soul was sucked up by the orb, as directed by the quasi-ressurected ferrus manus' gauntlet, and the knowledge contained therein was lost to the assassin; the corrupted mechanicus would have no clue about the inner workings of the quub -though they are highly curious about the device, for obvious reasons.

>>15089401
quuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuub =
questing unto understandings utilizing unambigious undermining undertakings unto ulcerating unacceptable unsufferable untermen, untold, and unimaginablly unseen unless unshrouded, unobscured and unscattered under universal, unifying, unitary uncecity united unto unitarian barracks
quuub - quickly undertaking undermining understandings, brother!
quub - queing ultimately under boredom
qub - quartered until boxy
qb - incubator... or quenchingly bumping

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