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    212 KB Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:03 No.16402290  
    Sometimes I wonder what our world would be like if magic and monsters were real. Sure we like to pretend it would be just like today, but with more flavors, but if you think about it, physically stronger races like orcs would have driven Humans to extinction way back when we thought throwing rocks art each other instead of fists was a novel and interesting concept. Kind of how Humans killed off the Neanderthal.
    Sure if we got to Greek/Roman levels of civilization and beyond we could probably hold out own, but would we get that far?

    Now if, using Shadowrun as an example, the magic just suddenly CAME to our world, sure things would be mostly like they are today, but if we had have evolved side by side, there's no way Humanity would still exist.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:07 No.16402326
    >Kind of how Humans killed off the Neanderthal.
    neanderthal were stronger than humans and had
    larger brain cases (maybe not smater who knows?)
    If elephants and great apes don't drive us to
    extinction why would another race do so?
    Strength isn't enough.
    Besides humans breed with an aquired disease resistance genes from Neanderthals

    Sage for OPs fetish
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:08 No.16402346
    We probably would still exist, we just wouldn't be as wide spread with a smaller population. Think of it this way, before we found out rocks could kill shit, our only real defenses were team work and our bad taste. We already survived against stronger species, just look at the world now there's still plenty stronger species out there. Plus Neanderthals were pretty much orcs, except no green with tusks. They were stronger and tougher then humans, but between battles and mating they got wiped out.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:12 No.16402388
    >If elephants and great apes don't drive us to extinction why would another race do so?
    Well, because we're smarter and they don't directly compete with us? And there have been plenty of deaths by Elephant.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:16 No.16402428
    >Besides humans breed with an aquired disease resistance genes from Neanderthals

    That is such bullshit I don't even
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:17 No.16402433
    Recent genetic studies have suggested that maybe Humans DIDN'T just kill off Neanderthal. We bred faster then then, consumed resources faster, and mated with them. Many northern Eurapoean and north Asian people seem to have some Neanderthal in them.
    So basically we ate and fucked then out of existence, not outright killed them.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:20 No.16402459
    That's not even a recent study, I remember hearing that a decade or more ago.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:20 No.16402461
    My kind of genocide.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:22 No.16402483

    Northern Europeans share up to 5% of their genome with Neanderthals: some of those genes code for immune system proteins.

    Conclusion: The reason why many Northern Europeans still have those genes is because they worked better than the standard Homo Sapiens ones in a northern climate. It's use it or lose it, really, when it comes to immune system genes.
    >> Gilda's Fury !kmfdmRX7.c 09/23/11(Fri)20:23 No.16402487
    The reason every mythology in the world has grotesque giants (ogres, cyclops, trolls, oni, etc.) as a common enemy is because the human race has a collective ancestral memory of neanderthals.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:25 No.16402516
    I've always been weary of the whole Ancestral Memory thing. I mean, yeah it explains our instincts, and why almost everyone is afraid of the sound of large predators, and a core level, but still... sounds iffy.
    Every culture on the planet also has a Great Flood story.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:27 No.16402546
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    Anthropology/Sociology thread?
    >> anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:30 No.16402580
    Doubtful. Neanderthals were actually shorter than Cro-Magnons (more stooped, bowlegged postures). Legends of giants probably from finding pleistocene megafauna bones.
    Btw: actual anthropologist talking
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:33 No.16402614
    I know that legends of the Cyclops probably came from Elephant/Mammoth (or similar animal) skulls.
    I dunno, seams like a legit thread to me.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:36 No.16402647
    aren't the various fantasy races already based off racial stereotypes in the real world? didn't tolkien himself say that dwarves were supposed to be jews?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:37 No.16402658

    Nah, sexy fantasy humanoids in business suits thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:40 No.16402705
    As long as you could use scientific concepts and expand them with magic, I'll be fine with that.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:41 No.16402708

    Can some aspects of our behavior be determined by genetic traits that we inherited long ago? Possibly, but it's extremely difficult to test because Nurture has just as much to do with shaping how we think and what we do as Nature.

    It's an interesting theory, but not exactly able to be supported scientifically.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:42 No.16402728
    Well dwarfs do exist in real life, it's just not polite to call them that. Dwarfs are people a little taller then midgets(halflings), but not quite as tall as a regular person. Then men and women share similarities in appearance. Also due to their lowered center of gravity are usually very strong. They just bossed them up a bit with ballin beards and alcoholism. Also they used to call people shorter then midgets gnomes. But these titles grew offensive.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:43 No.16402738
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    I've got one or two more.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:44 No.16402752
    I love that picture. I like to imagine she's a lawyer or something. Marukka Throatripper, Attourney At Law.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:47 No.16402774
    No, he said that he later realised that they had some aspects in common with jews.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:48 No.16402791
    Well, from a biological point of view, everything that isn't genetic, it's environmental. Maybe there are some certain genetic patterns related with our conduct, and if we didn't had those patterns, we probably couldn't have survived that long.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:48 No.16402794
    Also there are people who are elven in features as well. I've seen lots of tall slim people with chiseled features, and there's plenty of people that had pointed ear tips, they're just not as common as round.So most of our mythical races are/were real races of humans just terms change and breeding and war has thinned out their traits. Also if you look at neanderthals and orcs they have a huge amount of similarities. So technically we fucked none green orks into extinction. So OP that's what would happen.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:49 No.16402799

    Nah. Orcs and 'physically stronger' races tend to be as dumb as fuck. Humanity has survived all kinds of shit, and we learnt how to kill and eat superior predators.

    To be frank, not much would have changed. In fact, I'd say that nothing would change, because we'd have wiped out the orc species by the modern era. I mean, they *look* ugly, hate humans, and are at a lower tech-level. Their main purpose is to be a common enemy, except for some bleeding-heart xenophiles.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:54 No.16402849

    Man, I would love to be in an emotionally domineering relationship with an orc office worker. I was going to go farther with this, but then I realized I'm a sadist/dom at heart, and I should probably visit /d/ more often.

    Here's a fresh angle, instead. No racism.
    The races actually are different species/races, and the differences between them have been generalized to the point that people know other races' cultures, but understand that there are exceptions to the rule.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:55 No.16402867
    If you want to be realistic about these things

    -Magic-using race developing at the same time or earlier than humans? Better hope magic is extremely low-powered or that humans get it too, otherwise humans will not develop. In the best case there'd be a drowtales scenario, as much as /tg/ loathes it that's the best that could happen from human's POV in this case.

    Physically stronger races, depends entirely on their type. Onedimensional "slow, dumb muscle" stereotype humans could overcome, as seen with the neanderthals.

    Halflings get ground into mojo, like this:
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:56 No.16402874
    >I mean, they *look* ugly, hate humans, and are at a lower tech-level
    Replace Human with "everyone but themselves" and you have many African and Middle Eastern countries. They're still around.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:57 No.16402890
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)20:59 No.16402921
    Dwarves were based off of Germanic folklore (dwerg or dvergr)
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:00 No.16402925
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    This is where the legends about elves come from.

    >The most common symptoms of Williams syndrome are mental disability, heart defects, and unusual facial features. Other symptoms include failure to gain weight appropriately in infancy and low muscle tone. Most individuals with Williams syndrome are highly verbal and overly sociable, having what has been described as a "cocktail party" type personality, and exhibit a remarkable blend of cognitive strengths and weaknesses.

    >Some cultural historians believe that the adjective "elfin" came to be used to describe the facial features of people with Williams syndrome because, before Williams Syndrome's scientific cause was understood, people believed that sufferers of the syndrome, who have very charming and extraordinarily kind personalities in comparison to most people, were gifted with extraordinary, even magical, powers. This is often believed to be the origin of the folklore of elves, fairies and other forms of the 'good people' or 'wee folk' present in English folklore.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:03 No.16402953
    >Wondering about the appearance of other races, Shadowrun style.
    The problem is, we, as a society, have never dealt with sentient humanoid races other than humans. If we deal with another race that is somehow greater than us, it will be like the staple "humanity gets enslaved" movie. If the race is somehow inferior to us, we could just wipe it out with no further consequences.
    And the problem expands even more if we try to deal with that race's rights.
    Now, if magic was real, and other races had existed before us, then we would be competing for our natural niche. If that doesn't work, then we would be wiped out, just as we wipe out entire other species without even trying.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:10 No.16403033
    >back then it was seen as a good, positive, even magical thing
    >now it's seen as a disability, or a syndrome

    lol psychology
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:20 No.16403134
    I never thought that “arms dealer” was a good job title, but I wasn't about to lie about it. I dealt in weapons and that was that. My biggest customer was the local police department- they even let me get a special license to procure the stuff SWAT uses- but I still felt I had to maintain a storefront. It was a cheap, cost effective, and a nine-to-five that forced me to interact with people. I needed that. Anyway it was the first day of spring and the weather was erratic; it had been sunny yesterday and today had been torrential rain. It was just disintegrating to a fine mist when a naga girl slithered in the door. Pink hoodie, denim skirt, rust-colored scales on tail. I remember distinctly how she stared up at the bell at the top of the door and looked at me with these crimson eyes. She was excited.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:23 No.16403149
    “Hey mister!”
    “Yes?” I replied with a smile.
    “You sell all this stuff?”
    “Gimme the biggest gun you got!”
    “Oh?” I chuckled, “Well that depends on what you’re going to use it for.”
    “I’m not gonna hurt anybody!” she huffed, trying to feign offense. (I had to laugh just a little. )
    “Well are you engaging at close range or far away? One big target or many little ones?”
    She cocked her head to the side, seafoam-green locks drifting over her pale cheek.
    I picked up a Barrett M82 and hefted it against my shoulder, displaying it.
    “This will put a fifty caliber bullet a mile downrange, easy, and still pulp your target.”
    I set aside the rifle and presented a dummy fifty. Without the powder, it was harmless.
    “Holy crap, dude!” she exclaimed, marveling at the size of the cartridge.
    “Each of those bullets costs seventy.”
    “Cents?” she asked hopefully, doe-eyeing me.
    Then she just looked determined. “How much you want for the gun?”
    I leaned in with a smile and told her: “Nine grand, plus tax, ID proving you’re over eighteen, a gun license, a license to handle a Class Two Destructive Device... and a cookie.”
    I heard her mother’s soft laugh from the door.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:26 No.16403180
    She was maybe in her late twenties, early thirties- I really had no grasp of naga biology beyond the obvious- and had an air of gentle calm that seemed to follow her like the scent of orchids. I could see where the girl got her looks- her mother had the same color hair of iridescent green, fair complexion, even the combination of striped brown scales and a cream-colored underbelly. Her eyes struck me in detail, a deep blood red that belied a depth inaccessible to the innocent. I could feel electricity jump the gap as our eyes locked. Forcing myself to look away, I took a second to compose myself. If she noticed, she didn't say anything. The mother same up to the counter and took her daughter’s hand, giving her a motherly “c’mere” to keep her from running off. The sort of grip that ran along the lines of fixing a braid or brushing away a lock of hair, or wiping away a smudge on a child’s cheek. Fussing is perhaps the best word.
    “Mooooooooom!” the kid whined. “I’m not gonna break anything!”
    She turned her head back at me, the mother. “I’m sorry for the trouble.”
    “No,” I replied. “It’s no trouble at all.”
    “My name is Parvana. Parvana Shirin,” she told me, offering her hand.
    “Name’s Dyson Gray.” I took her hand and gripped heartily. She deserved that much.
    “And this,” she chuckled, presenting her child, “...is Yasmina.”
    Her hand seemed small in mine, but she extended it defiantly and I felt her give me her best iron-grip handshake.
    “How old are you?” I asked.
    “Sizdah...” she mumbled, reluctant to give me an answer.
    “Thirteen? Tough age to be.”
    Both Parvana and her daughter looked at me in surprise.
    “What, is it weird for a guy to speak Farsi?”
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:27 No.16403196
    It would be just like it is today because magic is real and so are monsters. they're just hiding because humans are mean.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:28 No.16403199
    Over the next few weeks I would close the shop early to spend time with Parvana, sometimes with Yasmina in tow. We got to know each other, and were fast friends. I would lock shop and we would sit at the nearby cafe with cups of mild coffee. We discussed music, food, art, the works. Over time, she revealed herself to be charming, intelligent, and witty on top of her entrancing beauty; she had a /je ne sais quoi/ that was simply hypnotic. She’d fled her homeland some time back, and Yasmina had been born and raised here. She only knew Farsi because Parvana had been adamant that she do. Eventually, we came to the subject of her husband, and when I asked, she was silent for a moment. He had been abusive, and part of her escape was being pregnant and not wanting to bring a child into that world. Not with /him/ there. It led to a long silence in the conversation, with both of us just staring into our coffee, until I found myself breaking the silence.
    “Can I take you out to dinner on Friday?”
    There was a long silence and I could almost hear her mull things over.
    “Friday,” she finally answered. “Just drinks. Seven on the dot.”
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:28 No.16403201
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:28 No.16403207
    I had no more to say, and she was blushing furiously. We made cursory goodbyes as we rushed to our homes like nervous teenagers. The following day, a Thursday, was torturously slow, but I made it through and leapt on my plans. There was a little Greek place that I was fond of, and I told her I would take her somewhere... open air. Truth be told it was a secluded little part of Metzger Park where the trees shielded the outside world from view, but not the stars. I dressed in a button down, rolling the sleeves to my elbows and opting for blue jeans. No need for games, no silly-looking tux. I hopped in the Humvee and tapped the hydrogen indicator, trying to calm myself. The indicator was electronic and tapping it would do nothing, but I felt such trepidation. Soon enough I gathered the courage to turn the key and press my boot to the gas pedal, rumbling off.
    I arrived, she was there, and saw off Yasmina. I waved. We drove to the park without saying a word; having gone so long along we were both like kids again, not sure what to do. It was quiet, deathly quiet, and we sauntered our onto the cool green grass before a single word was spoken. Finally, she looked at me, illuminated faintly in the starlight. She was wearing a blouse that fit loosely over her ample bust, overlapping her short, black skirt. The sort of understated allure that drew us together in the first place.
    “This isn't what I expected, Dyson.”
    “Pinot noir.”
    “Kiss me, you fool.”
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:29 No.16403209
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:29 No.16403215
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:32 No.16403238

    My god, I remember WRITING this.

    Cheer, and raise your glass to a Golden Age!
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:34 No.16403257

    Africa and the Middle East are mostly backward hellholes, too. Holy shit, they really *are* orcs.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:38 No.16403300
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)21:58 No.16403501
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    I'm about out of Business Suits, would Modern Wear also be acceptable?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:04 No.16403568
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:08 No.16403608
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    Um... anyone still here?
    >> James Joyce 09/23/11(Fri)22:08 No.16403614

    More pictures...
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:09 No.16403626
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    Ok... Most of my monstergirls seem to be Lamia.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:12 No.16403653
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    Hey, wasn't James Joyce a total creepy pervert?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:14 No.16403667
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    So what is this?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:17 No.16403702
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:17 No.16403707
    Please go on, I was thinking of posting a modern monstergirl thread like 16265698 and that pic is perfect.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:19 No.16403722
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    Just trying to see what you were referring too...
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:22 No.16403745
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    Ah, nothing apparently.

    This is by far one of my favorite pictures.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:23 No.16403754
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:23 No.16403755
    Red Goblin? And Imp maybe?
    In a tracksuit.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:23 No.16403760
    >If magic was real
    I wouldn't be male
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:24 No.16403761
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:25 No.16403768
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    I remember that thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:25 No.16403777
    The Incarnations of Immortality series is actually the entire premise of magic and technology evolving side by side. It's not bad, but it suffers from the same problem as most fantasy novels, awkward sex scenes.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:26 No.16403781
    I hate japan so much.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:26 No.16403785
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    The true ancestral core of humanity is a simple one, and it's one that it seems odd for people to leave out so often in fiction.

    We are plains hunters and spearmen. We are designed - when fit, of course - to jog for long, long distances and throw spears at things.

    We are also pack hunters. We hunt together as many people, running the long distances across the plains, throwing our spears out and striking from many points at once.

    In all the world, our long-distance endurance is matched only by dogs. Only one creature, /tg/.

    We don't have the raw strength of our cousins, or their durability. We don't have exceptional grace or speed.

    But we are slow, plodding terminators, going on for miles and miles and miles, spears in hand, ready to throw.

    Deep within our hearts, that is what we remain.


    The other races wouldn't have those strengths. They have their own. Their long lives, their brute strength. Their hard-labor endurance or grace.

    But we are the spearmen and the long-legged hunters. Do not forget.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:26 No.16403789
    Every culture has dragons
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:27 No.16403798
    >awkward sex scenes
    yeah, i've always thought the series would have been better off without them
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:29 No.16403813
    We wouldn't be wiped out because we'd have this.

    >> Nerdloc 09/23/11(Fri)22:30 No.16403819
    To be fair to the genre, that author in particular is kind of a creepy motherfucker.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:31 No.16403835
    How so?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:31 No.16403836
    This made me remember, suddenly, that the main reasons we essentially wiped out the Neanderthal (their genetic contribution to modern humans, if any, is negligible) are thought to be our pak hunting instincts, and the fact that the Neanderthal, while bigger, stronger, and more durable, could not run the way we can because of poorly functioning hip joints. So they're kind of like trolls, stumping around. Or rather, trolls are them, I suppose.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:31 No.16403838
    every culture has some sort of mythical creature that if you squint can be put into the vague category of "sorta like a dragon"
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    I read On a Pale Horse. Pretty good book, but I don't really want to read the others.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:33 No.16403855
    thats just what the jews want you to believe
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:33 No.16403862
    They no longer exist as a distinct race.
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:35 No.16403878
    We interbred with Neanderthal. Pretty much everyone outside of Sub Saharan Africa shares about 5% Neanderthal DNA


    The one about the incarnation of Time, and War were pretty good. The rest, not so much. The sex scenes just get way too weird.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:36 No.16403885
    Augh! Stop hurting the little tiefling girl!
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:37 No.16403894
    The one about Satan is actually pretty good as well
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    I hear the Last one is supposed to be pretty good too.
    So it IS a tracksuit?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:37 No.16403902
    You mean wary, not weary. And literal Ansestral Memories is pretty fucking stupid, let me tell you.

    Our basest instincts are genetics, no more, no less. We are born able to recognize faces, for example. Why do people always discount the idea that our stories of trolls and giants and other dangerous humanoids are based on actual memories of such a thing? Obviously the tales that survive today are probably derivative, since once you create a genre new works can be created in it, without any prerequisite truth but rather based on the conventions of said genre.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:38 No.16403905
    It's the main reason why, barring magic, we'd also wipe out every other sentient creature except dwarves.

    Orks are basically neanderthals with a more vicious temperament. We won that one already through strength of numbers and our love of the spear and speed.

    Elves are lone archers in the woods. Our ancestors would have burned down the woods, or come in vast numbers, spears in hand. The elven hunter might kill dozens - but still go down, stuck like a pincushion as the hundreds of humans close in on him.

    Dwarves live underground, the one environment we're not suited for. But on open ground, they'd get slaughtered. We'd throw spears and run away, over and over again, until they died. They haven't got the speed to catch up, and they're not great for fighting disorganized foes.

    This isn't an unnatural thing. Humans are MADE for fighting like this. The rifle and bow are, in many respects, just our modern spears. We live for the whirling, chaotic hunt on the open plains.

    Elves special thing might be ranged combat, but we've got that, endurance, AND numbers.

    Only dwarves should really survive against us, and that is only in their own underground cities.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:38 No.16403914
    "Stoooopppppp eeeeettttttttttttttttttttt."

    I find this picture funny.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:39 No.16403926
    It is, except for the blue balling succubus
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:39 No.16403928

    >The other races wouldn't have those strengths

    Most of the fantasy races look identical to humans in all ways relevant to running long distances.

    So while halflings wouldn't be able to do run long distances, elves and most types of orcs could, basically anything that looks like human+pointy ears/skin colour change/rubber in face could.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:40 No.16403933
    Buddy, can't you read? I already said they possible contributed DNA.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:41 No.16403949
    But we didn't wipe them out, we absorbed some and those that were not able to adapt to a changing environment died off. There is little evidence to show that Humans were the main cause of their extinction.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:41 No.16403950
    And thus begins humanity fuck yeah circle jerk.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:44 No.16403973
    >To be fair to the genre, that author in particular is kind of a creepy motherfucker.
    >How so?

    He's a sick fuck pedo.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:44 No.16403976
    If you ask me, we really wouldn't be that different racially. The significant difference would be that we'd grow along side a penitential equal and constant common-enemy, so the 'fantasy,' of man kind being one nation is a lot more probable. Perhaps some kind of empire, with several city-states or something. At the very least a coalition would exist.

    Eventually people would start forming alliances with the more 'suitable' races, like Tolken elves or any dwarfs really. Maybe even pulling in 'questionable' things like orcs eventually.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:45 No.16403984
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    Just playing with her horns. no hard done.
    Me too.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:45 No.16403994
    I feel that's a flaw, myself.

    Those are the things that make humans special. We are unique and distinct on our own because of those things.

    Making other races "humans plus" robs humanity of those advantages and in fact makes us inferior. Having an "adaptable nature" is in fact just bullshit attempting to keep us relevant in such a case.

    Realistically, no race should be able to jog longer than we can on the open plains, or be as good with the spear or throwing spear.

    Elves can have their archers and grace. Dwarves can have their Hammerdwarves and hard-labor endurance. Orks can have their Axemen and strength. Halflings can have their slingers and stealth.

    But ultimately, that IS what we ARE. The enduring pack hunters, spear in hand, on the open plains.

    If these races existed, we should retain that unique nature.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:46 No.16404010
    Actually, there is little evidence for anything regarding that topic. But, this isn't really the proper forum for that, is it?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:47 No.16404013
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    As pointed out earlier in the thread, we ate and fucked them out of existence. We didn't directly kill them, but we helped.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:47 No.16404018

    Well hypothetically there could be small differences that make an impact, like the aformentioned Neandethall being less disposed to long running.

    So maybe elves lack muscularity for long distance running.

    Orcs maybe overheat more easily or some shit. I dunno, I'm a whale biologist, not a land mammal biologist.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:48 No.16404033
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    Man, how many school girl demon things do i have?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:51 No.16404066
    >He's a sick fuck pedo.

    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:52 No.16404078
    Why are you assuming Orcs would murder us all on sight? They way Orcs are now, in general, they're not evil. They're just mean. And they don't go out of their way to stomp upon every pixie in the land. They don't murder elves for being shorter.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:54 No.16404098
    Just give Orcs the same build as the Neanderthal. A stronger bone structure, but one not well suited for long-distance running.

    As for Elves, you could give them a lighter frame and bone structure, one better suited for agility.

    Dwarves, a very dense bone structure and musculature.

    Humans wouldn't be superior under this system, just different.

    Oh, an interesting side-note: The Human gluteus is so maximus because it is filled with muscle that helps us walk over long distances.

    For that reason, most of the other races would probably have flat asses.

    So there's another advantage if you're an ass man. Humans have the biggest butts.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:54 No.16404099
    at least one too few
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:57 No.16404135

    The archetypical Tolkien elf isn't a lone archer, barring the magical stuff (immortality and soul cycles etc) what you have there is a human with only slight anatomical differences (bit taller, but not more fragile). So close that it would be classified as a subspecies of Homo Sapiens, something even Tolkien himself admitted.

    >"Elves and Men are evidently in biological terms one race, or they could not breed and produce fertile offspring..."
    JRRT - Letters #153, September 1954

    The differences that made Neanderthals less mobile are noticeable in their build. Warcraft orcs might suffer from the issues you mention, something like Lineage orcs are again so close to human as to be the same.

    Where things go really off and thus are worth speculating about are species like draenei or various bird or lizardmen competing against humans.

    All sort of midget races (Dwarves, Goblins, Gnomes, Halflings...) can be lumped into the same category as Homo floresiensis, and wouldn't survive competition with humans, they would be alive in gunpowder era if they lived in extreme isolation (some islands, remote polar regions). Against midgets people can get their HFY.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:58 No.16404148
    Considering how many damn near misses the human race had, like the Toba super eruption, sometimes it not about always being the best, but simply being lucky, unlike those poor dinos.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:58 No.16404152
    Well, this made me think. And I have a speculative theory as to what a modern world with some non-human but humanoid creatures in it would be like.

    Given the elven stereotype of being long lived but not breeding quickly, Elves would be smaller in number and very, very reclusive. In a modern society, Elven nations would be rather xenophobic, have closed borders to outsiders and mostly neutral foreign policies. To back up their lack of manpower, they would probably use a lot of precision weapons and automated drones and a high emphasis on stand-off capabilities and stealth for military tech. Cloning technology and tube-births would probably be under heavy research/developement and use as well, to augment the low breeding/birth rates. They would probably have a specialized and focused industry as well, importing and exporting as needed. Population is probably in the range of 200 to 800 million. worldwide.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)22:59 No.16404158
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    Maybe Orcs have Proportionately Lower Lung Capacity or Muscles built more for Power than endurance. Basically, big fucking Neanderthals with somewhat better hips, and just being sturdier in general. Basically something well suited to hunt Glyptodonts.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:00 No.16404162
    (Continuing my post, broke it down into three parts)
    Orcs, being stronger than humans, but not as intelligent, but still having comparable birth rates, would possibly be wiped out, but not without inflicting heavy casualties. If not wiped out, I expect them to discriminated against often, if not by law then by bigots. In their own nations, they probably import a lot of the technology of other races, or capture it through warfare. Possibly they would have very agressive relations with their immediate neighbors. Conditions would probably be on par with parts of our Africa, with civil wars, intertribal fighting, constant border wars and the use of cheap weapons developed by other countries. Population is in flux, but probably around one billion or so.

    Dwarf civilizations would very defensive, and highly merchantile. Expect extensive defense in depth, lots of underground tunnels, bunkers, cities. They'll provide most of the raw resources for industries of other nations. Expect them to be martial, but not exceedingly agressive. Probably a consititional monarchy system, and a few religious overtones. Somewhat reclusive, but not nearly as much as the elves. A decent birth rate, and slightly longer lifespan than your average human. Population of 700 million to 1 billion perhaps.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:00 No.16404171
    tl;dr thread but...

    In case no one else said it, Homo sapiens didn't kill off the Neanderthal, and Neanderthals would be more akin to Orcs anyways.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:01 No.16404173
    Read the reviews.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:01 No.16404177
    Yeah buddy! you guys can become the other races, I'll stay human for the big booty bitches!
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:02 No.16404183
    (Final part, concerning humanity.)
    Humans would be somewhat like our society, but somewhat less widespread. Humanity would've had a rough patch with the orcs in the past, but probably fought them to a stalemate, with both having comparable birth rates and differing strengths (Humans developing intellectually faster, having more longterm endurance, orcs having more physical strength and brute ferocity in battle.). Human society would be more open than most others, with Dwarves being widely welcomed, elves somewhat less so due to the frosty demeanor and Orcs the least, due to discrimination and constant warfare between the two species. Expect a healthy population inbetween two to three billion, and apply modern technology and society. (That means lots of individual nations, plenty of inter-human wars, as well as the ones with other species. And all of the problems we have now, plus more. Humans First Terrorism anyone?)
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:03 No.16404189
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    Yeah, one too few, that seems to be the last one.
    Why so advanced? As a longer living race, wouldn't they be slower to change?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:03 No.16404194
    So how would the green skin come into play? Since humanity only started to get lighter when we moved out of the tropics and into the north.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:12 No.16404246

    It probably wouldn't.

    Brown orcs would be a possibility if we are actually taking a serious look at things.

    DND style wood elves, or Warhammer Wood Elves, wouldn't survive competition with humanity. Arboreal as they are, they would not migrate as easily and eventually be replaced by growing human populations looking for additional territory. That's why I maintain that only elves that do not prefer forests and are not smaller than humans would be coexisting with humans without getting wiped out, they need to be capable competitor in the generalist niche. This again excludes magic.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:13 No.16404269
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    Probably act as a camouflage for more... green climate? They evolved a bit more north then humanity. We came from the Middle East/Africa. Maybe they came from a more Temprate climate?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:14 No.16404275
    Yes and no. Imagine the elven equivalent of Da Vinci or Einstein, allowed to live for thousands of years. Imagine what he would create.

    Honestly I see humans and Dwarves as bro-tier in any setting where they're natural strengths are played up. They compliment each other's strengths very well.

    If the Dwarves live underground (as they should) living as natural miners, humans are excellent farmers. A trade of food and animal goods for ore or high-quality crafts would frankly be one that benefits both parties immensely. Humans would probably pay exorbitant sums to have Dwarven architects build their buildings or buy Dwarven goods.

    Dwarves in turn would benefit immensely from the constant streams of food, animal goods, wood items and animal husbandry byproducts like milk and cheese. They'd live like princes.

    Elves don't have the same appeal. Even when they're not arrogant - what do they really offer mankind?

    In some settings, magic. And hey, that's great. That gives them and humanity a reason to be buddy-buddy.

    Orks are just filthy Vermin that should be exterminated utterly. Of course, once we first domesticate horses, they will be. They're horribly suited to fighting against the hit-and-run style of warfare many early human civilizations favored on horseback.

    Prime examples: The Comanche and Mongols.

    The Comanche are an especially excellent example of early horse-archer civilizations, and the chaotic methods of war they preferred.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:15 No.16404289

    Unless they ended up adapting and moving out. We certainly aren't the same, habitat and societally speaking, as we were a thousand years ago.

    That said, there'd be some pretty incredible prejudice and hatred as a result of humans effectively kicking elves out of their lands.

    Alternately, they might be capable of actually keeping humans from taking their forests in the first place.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:18 No.16404312
    In this case, the Elves are advanced, mainly because they have a lot of time on their hands to think of these things. It could be handwaved as borrowing and researching human technological developements that they see useful, as well as making their own.

    Whereas Elven society on the other hand, would be heavily stratified, with respect for your elders being paramount. They'd be a very, very formal, restrictive society, somewhat on par with a feudal system, in how interaction between two elves works.

    They're only advanced technologically because they need it to offset the basic weakness of being less in number than everyone else.
    Necessity being the mother of invention.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:19 No.16404318

    Comanche aren't a horse archer civilization at all, they made the best of what they got when europeans brought horses into America.

    Native Americans didn't generally practise persistence hunting in the plains either (currently there's one tribe in Mexico that shows definite signs of it), prey like the buffalo was ambushed, driven into gorges etc instead. The historical occurrence of this trait seems to have been mostly African (sub-saharan).
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:22 No.16404345
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    >The Comanche are an especially excellent example of early horse-archer civilizations, and the chaotic methods of war they preferred.
    But they didn't GET horses until the Spanish came over with them. Horses aren't native to the Western hemisphere.

    Really, how things turn up, would depend on how EARLY we meet the other races. Humanity didn't get too densely populated until relativity recently. If we didn't meet the other races until they were all pretty well dug in evolution wise, it would be thousands of years before we got to the point were we could fight them and win easily. Like, Greek Mythological age.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:22 No.16404349
    Dwarves will have quite the problem if we take a biological look at this. While putting them underground is fixer, its getting them there that is a problem. Being very small and stocky, they will not be very good hunters and they will be prime targets for predators in certain environments.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:24 No.16404377
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    Foragers and scavengers in pre-historic times?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:26 No.16404394
    The Comanche are actually a tribe that only came into existence after the arrival of horses, so talking about what they did before is pointless. They completely reordered their lives around them. They were also considered the finest light cavalry in the world during the 1800's, undone only by massive technological advantages by the settlers. (Namely, repeating rifles. Before then, they were all but unbeatable.)

    As for their method of war:

    "The Comanche, however, were never cavalry in the European sense. They did not adopt mass tactics like the Persians, Mongols or Huns, nor did they use shock tactics like European Knights. Instead they created tactics that were very much appropriate to the wide open regions (eastern New Mexico, southern Colorado, southern Kansas, all of Oklahoma, and most of northwest Texas) to which they were native. The Comanche rode and fought very much as individuals and they never pressing a charge home-instead relying on horse archery to defeat the opposition. To the great surprise of many an opponent, Comanche tactics were often extremely well synchronised and orchestrated. So much so that even professional European soldiers had difficulty in understanding, or even describing, the Comanche’s approach to warfare.

    Comanches would approach an enemy at a gallop, weaving, each warrior apparently taking no orders from the war chief. These magnificent horsemen never formed a solid line, instead they formed a swirling, breaking, dissolving and regrouping mass of separate riders, thundering across the prairie, making difficult moving targets,. The whooping riders charged, broke off before contact, dodging and weaving whilst at the same time circling the enemy, showering them with arrows from all directions. The Comanche also employed a trick of hanging over the far side of their steed by a strap or thong thus almost being protected from ball or arrow."
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:27 No.16404401

    You don't adapt to movement like this over such short periods, and there would be nowhere to go at that point for the wood elves, they would die off.

    To be strong enough to prevent humans from taking their forest, and the conflict would come at the point when the humans have already colonized most of the planet, the wood elves would need either magic or an evolutionary headstart of, say, a million years. Arboreal environment has a detrimental effect that strong.

    Again, I don't see a possibility for wood elves or dwarves to survive or compete with humans if there is no magic and the species develop at roughly the same time. While /tg/ likes to imagine underground cities for the dwarves, they'd be outcompeted by humans long before either species gets to permanent cities, they have more disadvantages than a neanderthal (even shorter, even less agile).
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:28 No.16404412
    And again - I used them as an example of an early horse-archer civilization.

    Yes, I know they just got them. That was the point, genius.

    That's very much what human tactics are naturally like after we get horses. Organized warfare comes later.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:30 No.16404424
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    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:31 No.16404428
    No Orc, You Are the Horse Archer.

    And then Grummush was Genghis Khan
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:31 No.16404435

    So what you're saying is that humans would wipe the floor with some sort of proto-Wood Elf civilization? Well... sure. But why are we assuming different levels of advancement on contact?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:31 No.16404437
    Even if Dwarves were "outcompeted" before getting underground cities up and running, their natural high-endurance in the face of hard labor would make them ideal slaves.

    They'd certainly survive long enough to get their own civilizations where they could thrive. Humans wouldn't want to wipe out a species that useful.

    In a setting without magic... well, Elves just wouldn't be as useful. Orks would be worthless, even as slaves, due to their vicious temperament.

    However you cut it, Dwarves would survive just fine.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:33 No.16404450
    Would affirmative action give smart people jobs to orcs too dumb for them?

    And if conservatives complain about it now with the same species and same (or near same) capabilities, how would it be in case of orcs?
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:34 No.16404465
    My only beef with that is that Orcs have never been portrayed as good at animal husbandry in basically any medium.

    Horses are finicky, high strung primadonnas of the animal world. I don't see Orks being too thrilled with them.

    Now breeding giant war-dogs to ride to battle? Well we never did it, but we've bred dogs in some wild directions, including fuckhuge and "fits in the palm of your hand", so I suppose you could do it if you tried really hard for a really long time.

    Those, I could see.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:35 No.16404471
    Orcs may not be as smart as humans but they aren't THAT dumb. They're tool users same as us. Probably learn slower though.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:36 No.16404487

    If average human IQ is 100, average Orc IQ is about 81, going by D&D stats
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:39 No.16404520

    Because humans as generalist plains dwellers are prone to migration and settling various environments, but obviously those most suitable would be settled first. Adaptation brings technological advances with it, and at the point when humans start colonizing the woods they'd be far ahead the wood elves technologically.

    Physically a wood elf would be disadvantaged too, they would be shorter and weaker, and their ultimate defence would be running away in dwindling forests.

    That's why I say only a human-sized generalist, non-arboreal elf (meaning the basically human Tolkienian elf) would survive with humans (caveats, no magic yadda yadda), ours is the best niche for humanoids in the scenarios this thread is about.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:42 No.16404548

    And where does this magical endurance come from? Basically they'd be less useful slaves than Neanderthals, and the institution of slavery would not even be developed at the point when the last dwarf dies.

    You can't really get a midget race to coexist with humans unless they are isolated from humans no matter how you put it. They are simply too disadvantaged.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:43 No.16404559

    Um. Their magical endurance comes from the average dwarf being almost 20% again as tough as the average human.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:45 No.16404576

    <Wood elves are weaker
    <Wood elves, with their str bonus
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:45 No.16404577
    they could out-breed
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:49 No.16404619

    DnD stats don't translate to real world like that. The physical appearence of the dwarf would hint towards a shorter, stockier neanderthal, meaning a neanderthal more disadvantaged against humans.

    Perhaps a Homo version of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecus_Robustus, more herbivorous version of a neanderthal, as their shortness and lack of mobility would hinder their hunting.

    If you actually want a "realistic" world with dwarf & human civilizations on it, dwarwes would need a headstart and develop on a relatively large and varied continent isolated from humans, they'd have to be more technologically advanced at the point of first contact as well.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:50 No.16404632
    Dwarves aren't a midget race like, say, the Java or island hobbits.

    They aren't just short humans made small because of poor nutrition. They have a MUCH denser, stronger build than humans. They're squat, wide-framed, thick-boned and wider hipped.

    Arguably, they'd be a lot more like our ape ancestors than we are.

    Unlike our ape-ancestors, neanderthals or orks, they'd have the running issues, but not endurance issues. They're made for it.

    So while they couldn't run like us, they're VERY well suited for building things. A dwarf should be able to lift heavy shit no human can, and/or do it for a lot longer. That - as well as some natural mechanical talent - is the stereotypical strength of the dwarf.

    There's nothing magical about it. Plenty of creatures on Earth have more *short term* endurance than humans. We can just walk/jog farther than anything else.

    Unlike Dwarves, we can't pick up huge bags of rock for hours and hours and use them well.

    They'd probably have the first fortified settlements in the world and always have the technological edge, at least in terms of engineering. Those are their strengths.

    I think they'd do well and survive just fine.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:51 No.16404643

    So you're not actually talking about dwarves, you're talking about... short, stocky, humans. And short, skinny, arboreal humans.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:52 No.16404653

    That's the DnD wood elf, which is magic. A smaller-than-human arboreal species of gracile humanoids in real world wouldn't be stronger, they'd be more agile. If you want a stronger one, well, chimps.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:53 No.16404664
    what sort of niche would they be evolved for. There's no way they would have EVOLVED to a "can carry rocks everywhere" niche
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:54 No.16404674

    Yeah. Because the kind of dwarves and wood elves you speak of require magic to have >>16404632 qualities.
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    AHA! Another Suit!
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:55 No.16404685

    If we're discussing D&D races advancing along with us, we kind of have to assume the D&D races exist as stated. Going "Well they wouldn't have evolved that way" may be accurate, but it sorta invalidates the point of the discussion.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:56 No.16404696
    except they ARE stronger. Because they're wood elves. Maybe they have a constant low dose of adrenaline running through their bodies at all times, making them stronger but more prone to strained muscles.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:57 No.16404712
    that's not what i meant. I'm honestly asking what sort of niche they would have evolved for, so we can figure out where they START OUT, and thus where they spread from
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:57 No.16404714
    Arguably, they'd be used to carrying around heavy loads.

    Natural builders, I think, living in mountains. Naturally designed to bash rocks against each other for hours on end, carry heavy burdens across difficult terrain requiring careful movement - and a distinct racial propensity for constructing dwellings, ostensibly out of stone.

    This isn't unusual - birds build nests, ants build hills, termites build mounds. Humans build tents or huts.

    Dwarves naturally build buildings and tools out of rock. It's part of their instinctual drive.

    As a side note, humans don't naturally favor mountains or rocky terrain. We like flat, open terrain best.
    >> Anonymous 09/23/11(Fri)23:59 No.16404729
    in that case, we ought to put their place of origin in the Himalayas or Andes in my opinion
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:02 No.16404757
    We never said ALL Humanoid races had to come from Africa.
    Orcs probably evolved up in Europe while we evolved down in Mesopotamia.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:03 No.16404774
    Elves evolving in the Americas would probably get around our "Can't beat the Humans in the beginning" situation.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:03 No.16404775
    ... This is going to lead to an "Elves come from Europe!" "NO! Elves come from Asia!" argument isn't it?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:03 No.16404776
    This has already happened, except the other way round. Neaderthals were the Orcs, or if you prefer, the Neaderthals were the humans and we were the Elves - elegant, frail, intelligent, and utterly without pity for the lesser species.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:04 No.16404786
    what in the americas is particularly suited to elves evolving there
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:05 No.16404788

    Being stronger than humans would be at odds with their body (shorter and slighter than humans) unless magic is involved.

    Now, if they looked more like like hairless chimps I could believe they're stronger even with less-than-human mass, but then they wouldn't be great archers or spearmen.

    As I've mentioned in more than three posts, my statements about wood elves and dwarves being not capable of competing with humans presuppose no magic. This actually leads to them being as boring as another Homo species with similarities to those extinct in the real world, but that's expected. If some anons want to discuss DnD races with capabilities presented in the game with no real world issues, that's fine too, I've only posted stuff concering a boringly "realistic" setting.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:06 No.16404798
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:07 No.16404805
    Not necessarily "stronger" per-se, in terms of rough strength.

    More like they're better built to pick up and hold up heavy loads. That, and they've got a lower center of gravity.

    They'd have a very good natural sense of balance. Yet another good reason for them to be mountain dwellers.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:08 No.16404813
    Adrenaline increases muscle contraction. Constant low dosage of adrenaline would IN THEORY increase strength, while also making them frailer.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:09 No.16404816
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    The Neanderthals and primitive man did not fight eachother.

    They peacefully coexisted. The populations existed close to each other. Sometimes in the same community. Sharing populations actually became common. They'd share women. A neanderthal man being married(or the primitive equivalent anyway) to a primitive woman. As well at the other way around. They found they were able to have kids with eachother so.. of course that kind of shit went on. We did not kill them by any stretch. It was a peaceful coexistence. A very beneficial one. Even saying we outbred them is inaccurate. Humans, as we stand today, are not merely an evolution of primitive man. We are not the same people as they were. The Neanderthals didn't go away either. We are both combined. Eventually the populations interbred so much that we got lost in each other. Saying we "outbred and outate" them just sounds like uneducated HUMANITY FUCK YEAH bullshit that /tg/ ran into the ground months and months ago already.

    If we were to carry this over to a setting where orcs occupied the place of neanderthals, modern day man would be part orc. Neither primitive man nor orcs would exist anymore. They just melt together into something greater. Eventually the negative traits of both get slowly bred out by simple selection of favorable mates. More attractive. More athletic. Stronger. That kind of thing.

    Something like the OP pic might actually not be that far off.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:09 No.16404824
    that post was talking about elves, not dwarves
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:10 No.16404828
    We have basically EVERY Biome there is here. From the vast South American jungles to the Vast evergreen forests. The Redwoods in California, the Pines of the Rockies. You want a tree? We got that tree.
    There are the big open Plains, plenty of Bipeds like plains. We have Deserts, if Lamia are your thing but that's opening a whole new bag. We have Temprate zones comparable to the Mediterranean. And plenty of stuff to eat. And, now that I think about it, Less things in North America that would eat YOU. Ours seem to be a bit bigger though.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:10 No.16404830


    More to the point, what in Europe requires that elves evolve there?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:11 No.16404843
    They still are going to have the problem with getting the necessary protein since their stature is going to make hunting a big problem. Also, if they are in the mountains, I doubt they are going to have good fertile ground for farming. I guess you can just say they are scavengers and their population simply didn't explode or maybe some early husbandry of the mountain goat might give them the necessary meat/protein.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:11 No.16404846
    You misunderstand, i wasn't arguing in favor of a particular thing, i just wanted to have a reason for them to have evolved there
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:11 No.16404848
    Stop posting cute monkey-girls, dammit. You make me want to make love, not war.

    And dammit, that ain't right.

    ... Even if it is how we beat the Neanderthals.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:12 No.16404857
    Except Africans and their Descendants DON'T have those Neanderthal genes in them.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:13 No.16404868
    i'm now imagining Modern-day drow.... as lawyers......
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:14 No.16404878
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    We gotta stick some catgirls in those South American Jungles.

    Mmm. Delicious Brazilian Catgirls.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:14 No.16404880

    That's why Africans are the way they are.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:14 No.16404882

    I was talking about wood elves there. Dwarves in a no-magic setting would be shorter stockier neanderthals and disadvantaged against humans for the same reasons.

    Living in the mountains provides some other issues, they'd likely be herbivorous since the body dwarves have isn't at all optimized for hunting in a mountainous environment (lacking speed, and throwing ability) etc. That for its part has all sorts of ramifications for the develompent of the brain yadda yadda. But again these aren't something we need to bother about if we're just discussing DnD races with the qualities presented in the game translated directly to reality.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:16 No.16404905
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    Also, I just thought of something. Snakes. Is it just me, or does it seem that Constrictors are in mainly Tropical zones, and Venomous snakes are in the desert/dryer areas?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:17 No.16404916
    if we can get a CLOSE rationalization for why they evolved the way they did, i for one am fine with handwaving the rest with "evolution pulls some surprises sometimes." I don't even mind chalking things up to genetic drift
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:18 No.16404925
    why do i find this to be terrifying?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:18 No.16404926
    what if they hunted by dropping rocks on things, and then we supplemented that with early adoption of animal husbandry
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:19 No.16404931
    Depending on where the Mountains are, they could probably be mainly scavengers and foragers who eat a shit ton of fish when they come to spawn. or, if protein is the issue, a lot of beans as well.
    And ambush is great for hunting. You sit still on a ledge over a watering hole or game trail, mask your scent and wait, you could probably chuck a rock at a dear and kill it.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:20 No.16404949
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    >Batgirls and Catgirls in the Americas

    God fucking dammit.

    We have GOT to invent multi-dimensional teleportation devices, people.

    Those ladies aren't going to fuck themselves.


    I think I just discovered why our ancestors managed to screw the Neanderthals out of existence.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:21 No.16404952
    Jesus fuck nobody else wants to run with this can't you just shut the fuck up. Humans are ideal for the environment they evolved in and also managed to evolve great intelligence due to an arms race of out-socializing each other. These races would ALSO be ideal for the environments they evolved in and might as well have also evolved intelligence at roughly the same rate for the same reasons.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 09/24/11(Sat)00:21 No.16404958
    Dominatrix Lawyer.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:22 No.16404969
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    Oh boy...
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:22 No.16404970
    Bzzzt! Nope, gonna have to call you on that one. Africans live in the environment where humans first evolved. An environment that co-evolved with us. Point being? There are lots of things there that think we're delicious.

    Death-world disease rate >>> R-strategy reproduction
    Death-world disease rate >>> Cities are demographic sinks even worse than elsewhere.

    From an evolutionary standpoint, if you have a big chance of dying of ebola's latest lovechild, there's less of a point to long-term planning, and more of a point to being as impressive as you can be right now. Which isn't to say that remarkably patient, intelligent Africans don't exist (ROBERT effing MUGABE), but that they'll occur less often than in other populations.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:23 No.16404973
    doesn't take much energy either, and gives them an excuse to have evolved lugging big rocks around
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:24 No.16404980
    Why do you think Africa is such a shit h-

    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:26 No.16404995
    Hmm. Not a delicious brown or black catgirl.

    Not quite right for this thread.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:26 No.16405000

    In all likelihood they'd actually look a lot different than a dwarf then, and being adapted to chucking rocks towards prey on drink holes requires different things than just lugging rocks.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:27 No.16405005
    what about dropping rocks on them
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:28 No.16405012
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    Hmm. These look too much like Drow.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:31 No.16405042
    Those big beefy arms seem just fine to me for hurling rocks down on things from above. These are all Proto-dwarfs understand, they evolve and change just as much as humans do. We didn't look like we do now 10,000 years ago.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:31 No.16405044
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    I'm gonna have to ask for some source.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:32 No.16405050
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    Ah, Perfect.

    That reminds me, I need to take a trip to South America sometime.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:32 No.16405051
    It’s also possible that some archaics had some alleles that were better generally, not just in their locale. Even though these archaic humans were competitively inferior, since they were largely replaced, they could have had, indeed almost certainly did have generally superior versions of some genes. Some people find this incomprehensible. For example, they don’t see how a presumably dumber human subspecies could possibly have an allele that could boost human intelligence in AMH. Well, a T-34 was a better tank overall than a PZ-III, but would have been been better yet with a German radio. Adaptive introgression can combine the best of both designs: we see this in agriculture every day.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:35 No.16405077

    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:37 No.16405088
    Neanderthals hunted big animals by chasing them and pretty much wrestling them down with spears and knives. They had hipertrophic musculature and stout bones for this.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:38 No.16405103
    I never really liked the idea of orcs as naturally dumber than humans. I always like to think of them as just less genetically inclined towards cooperation. Orcs would be very aggressive by human standards, even with their own kind. Because of this, Orc settlements would rather fight each other than band together. Sure, you might occasionally get a large empire that conquers a lot of area in a short time, but it would always dissolve into infighting after a couple of decades. And since they never really work together for too long, orcs lag behind other races in technological or societal advancements.

    Oddly enough, this aggressive nature might give them some room for integration into modern society. A few orcs' cutthroat determined natures might make them natural businessmen or lawyers. Their sense of competition might even lead to a few seclusive orc scientists and inventors pushing their fields in strange and unexpected directions.
    >> James Joyce 09/24/11(Sat)00:39 No.16405107
    >Heavy infantry corps and generals, Leona is also a brave warrior is always cut at the forefront of the battle.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:41 No.16405118
    >less prone to cooperation
    I think this would actually slow their development of intelligence.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:42 No.16405128

    Yeah, but they were relatively adapted to their environment. Make them shorter and more rotund, then put them into environment where main source of meat are things like mountain goats and you'll see my point.

    You could put them into the North American west coast where they'd get protein from salmonids and compete with grizzlies, but I'm not a fan of having two human-esque species developing on same continents.

    In that, I agree with the anon who said the American humanoids should have feline origin. Or perhaps a mustelid...sea otters?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:44 No.16405147

    You mean society, right? 'Cause... intelligence doesn't have much to do with ability to cooperate.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:44 No.16405152

    That what it says? Never bothered to translate, oh well...
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:45 No.16405164
    *separate continents
    getting too tired
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:46 No.16405171
    intelligence arms race was done in society, individuals trying to outsmart each other. The guy who outsmarted all the other guys got the ladies. I believe this basically requires a mostly cooperative environment, so that there's discouragement from just killing off the other dudes so you're the only one
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:47 No.16405181
    then put elves in south america. Bam, different continents.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:48 No.16405189
    ah, I see what you were saying.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:49 No.16405202

    What if the Orcs developed a culture where whoever got the mates was the one who built the most fiendish deathtraps for the others? Natural selection for individuality -and- innovation.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:51 No.16405210
    yeah except... the cooperation frankly PREDATES society. That started back when we were still basically acting like gorillas do now.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:54 No.16405240
    to the extent that social interaction leads to brain development I suppose. Of course orcs would still be cooperative on a smaller familial or tribal scale. I just imagine that innately, an orc is always looking at his leaders and asking "what makes them so great?" or "why should I trust them?" With this mindset in place, that leader will either a) do some pretty amazing things (mentioned earlier the remarkably fast conquest of new territory) or b) end up losing his position pretty quickly.Lacking stability, native orc civilization never builds up too far for too long.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)00:59 No.16405268
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    You wouldn't have many species then. We only have 7 of the damn things. And an impressive Sub-Continent.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:00 No.16405283
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:11 No.16405369
    Since I'm done with my theory on the modern societies of the Elves, Dwarfs, Orcs and Humans, onwards to their origin points.

    Concerning the placement of the various species, I'd picture Humanity starting in Africa, like most modern theories.
    Maybe the Orcs starting in Eurasia, perhaps eastern europe, below the black sea.

    This would provide the reason for the humans and orcs to have a lot animosity towards each other, as the species spread into the same areas, and thus competed. I'd imagine the Orcs occupying most of what would be Eastern Europe, Russia and Mongolia, as well as upper China. The Humans would be solidly in control of Africa, Western Europe and South East Asia.

    Somebody suggested that the Elves start in South America, that is actually a pretty good suggestion right there. They'd live have a hardy immunesystem, and long lifespans, while maintaining a small population suitable to the jungle environment.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:12 No.16405377
    (Part Two. I'd write condensed versions but that wouldn't work out so well.)

    Dwarves would probably start near and eventually under a major mountain chain. I'm thinking the area around the rockies, stretching up into the Yukon.

    The dwarves and elves wouldn't have meet until much later, but eventually would. Possibly a few initial skimrishes, and then a cold war, where they watched each other warily.

    Dwarf colonies could spread to the Appalachians on the east coast, while the elves start a few small settlements in central america.

    Cue the Colonial period, and you'd have Humans sending colonists to the East Coast of America, while Orcs perhaps drift to the northwest around Alaska and the pacific northwest.

    This would let the humans and dwarves meet on equal footing, mainly due to the dwarves being extremely dug in, and the humans not really wanting to colonize the mountains. When the Humans and dwarves realize what they have to offer each other, mainly humanity offering surplus food, while the dwarves offer craft skills and raw materials from their mines.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:14 No.16405394
    (And the final paragraph. Wasn't sure if it'd fit in Part Two)

    Eventually, you'll have all races interacting, including the discovery of the Elves by humanity. Put the usual history of wars, treaties, spreading civilization and et cetera untill you reach the approximatation of modern day society. Due to the creative influences of several sapient species with widely varying cultures, you make up for time lost in the wars between them.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:21 No.16405456
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    I can dig it.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:39 No.16405582
    I plan to steal this setup.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:42 No.16405608
    Now... How would ROME fair in this setting?
    It would have an enemy to constantly unify it and not allow the leaders of Rome to go soft.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:43 No.16405613
    actually in second thought, i'm going to also include a bering land bridge migration in reverse. So there will also be a bunch of dwarf asians.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:49 No.16405662
    We where setting things up, telling the story behind the origins of the races.
    So of course I mean in the future, when Rome became a super-power.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)01:56 No.16405729
    except all that shit that led to rome existing in the first place is completely up in the air. It's like having carthage win all of the punic wars in the long run and then ending your alt-history with "and then austria-hungary got divided at the end of WW1"
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)02:01 No.16405758
    Are you saying Romulus and Remus wouldn't have been raised by Wolves?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)02:06 No.16405800
    I am saying romulus and remus wouldn't have existed to be raised by wolves in the first place
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)02:07 No.16405805
    I don't even remember how they ended up with the wolves...
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)02:16 No.16405885
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    I think I'm out of Moder-Monstergirls.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)02:55 No.16406107
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    This was a good thread, a bump before sleep.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:05 No.16406348
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    Modern monster girls?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:06 No.16406354
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    Modern monster girls.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:09 No.16406373
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    560+ monster girls and only a few are modern Im afraid
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:10 No.16406379
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    >> BARBARIAN !!WXmd45ve+ga 09/24/11(Sat)04:10 No.16406380
    I'd archive it, but my connection's spotty and sup/tg/ won't load properly. Someone else have better luck?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:11 No.16406384
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    Btw, anyone here/want more?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:12 No.16406386
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:12 No.16406391
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:13 No.16406397
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:14 No.16406410
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    I want one
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:15 No.16406414
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    Anyone? No?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:31 No.16406473
    This is all well thought and I love every bit of it, but what would come out of Australia?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:32 No.16406480

    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:33 No.16406490
    Poisonous Demons?

    Actually, never mind, silly question.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:38 No.16406504
    Large tracts of Australia would be ruled by a mighty basilisk known only as The Rainbow Serpent. I imagine the Rainbow Serpent's children would be snake-men like Yuan-Ti or Nagas
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:38 No.16406507
    How about drop-bear midget-people
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)04:45 No.16406537
    A monstergirl/biology/sociology thread?
    In my /tg/?
    It's like I'm back in time before the coming of the dark lor...err mods.

    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:25 No.16406739
    We always talk about how elves and dwarf and typical shit evoles along side us but we never talk about any of the really wierd shit we post pictures of all the time.
    >> Painful Elegy 09/24/11(Sat)05:27 No.16406752
    Simple, humans had primal wizards. They were weak and fleshy, but their relatively large heads make the perfect batteries for unleashing dangerous magic.

    Eventually they are capable of setting up society and wizards drift apart from mundanes, and eventually have to move all the magical species onto an outworld.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:28 No.16406757
    Ironically, small colorful intelligent equines made out of marshmellow
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:29 No.16406762
    Ok, lets talk about how deep ones evolved.
    It's pretty obvious they come from a sort of fish that found tool use advantageous enough ro evolve manipulators, but what evolutionary incentive would it take for it to evolve legs capable of movement on land?
    >> Painful Elegy 09/24/11(Sat)05:32 No.16406776

    Warp caused by the fluctuation of chaos magic exuded from the ordering caused by evolution.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:33 No.16406780
    magic is CHEATING

    clearly it was some aliens like Elder Things or Mi-Go comeing along and fucking with things for a lark.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:35 No.16406789

    confirmed faggots who never ever read Martin Mystere (no you faggots the cartoon has nothing to do with the original series)
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:38 No.16406809
    see mister>>16406739 this is why we never try to logic out the weird shit.

    As for deepones, there are several species of fish that have evolved abilities to breath air and even walk on land for short distances. These usually live in places with very stagnant, low oxygen water. So really nasty swamps would be a good place for them to start from.

    Though it's hard to think of a reason for a fish to develop legit limbs. I'd think some stagnate shallow swamp dwelling octopus that learns to breath air would be more likely.
    >> Painful Elegy 09/24/11(Sat)05:44 No.16406838

    Well, the description said 'what if magic and monsters were real'. And in that case it makes no sense to act like there is no magic involved.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:45 No.16406842
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    Is this my que to start dumping more monster girls, y/n?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:45 No.16406848
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:46 No.16406854
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:48 No.16406861
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    Or am I wasting my time/annoying people?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:49 No.16406869
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:50 No.16406873
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    One more after this, then I stop dumping if someone doesnt say they want moar.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)05:51 No.16406878
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)08:26 No.16407684
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    oh yeah
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)09:41 No.16408047
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    Otters, you say?

    (if curious, that is a female. Just... the otter bodytype means flat as a board).
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)09:44 No.16408071
    >before we found out rocks could kill shit
    Fun fact: Stone weapons existed before humans did.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 09/24/11(Sat)09:52 No.16408096
    Judging from the artist's other stuff and him being on hardblush, I wouldn't bet on it, Bub.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:04 No.16408154
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    Uh, Tsampikos draws plenty of females? Look, here's a less worksafe picture if that's what you were trying to wheedle out of me.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:11 No.16408182
    It's pretty sad that we live in a rock, where we are only sentient, intelligent species capable of advanced civilization and wearing pants.

    And what is even sadder that we fight because we have differences. Goddommot
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:15 No.16408196
    >Kind of how Humans killed off the Neanderthal.

    Neanderthals were actually physically superior but we had an extremely (at the time) overdeveloped ability to organize and coordinate so this was a poor example for you to make. It was our intelligence that made us superior.

    You're talking about orcs like the latest and greatest orcs. In my sense they'd have to develop alongside us, and they'd have their shitty ancestors too. Well, SHITTIER.

    All things considered we'd have probably extincted them like we did with the Nyannersthals.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:18 No.16408205
    No more monster girl pics? Shame.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:20 No.16408209
    We've kind of reached hte point where proper natural evolution could occur.

    Fuck, if we had enoough SCIENCE! we could create sentient creatures of our own. Genderless haemonculus serving race anyone?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:22 No.16408222

    Surely there are ca/tg/irls that would love some dem monster boys.

    Again, dem' lamias.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:25 No.16408235
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:27 No.16408252
    I've seen dogs in pants.
    Yeah, and when they overthrow Humanity I'll have YOU to blame.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:33 No.16408275

    Instill bondage complex in every last of them and vast sense of inferiority.

    They'll be more pussywhipped than japanese exchange students surrounded by fratboys.

    Get me some embryos, some tools and incubation tanks and we're good to go.

    If not, we're going to have some exotic dumplings.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:34 No.16408281
    Fine, fine. We can have your elves in the South American Jungles.

    But dammit, we still need Catgirls.

    ... Maybe in India? Tiger-Catgirls?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:35 No.16408286
    I would fuck an ork girl like OP's pic, I think.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:39 No.16408296

    I don't know, even if they are catgirls they still go for the rear.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:39 No.16408300
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    Well the Myths of the Rakshasa DO come from India... I'll allow it!
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:45 No.16408327
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:47 No.16408332
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    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:54 No.16408365

    What is the difference between monkey girls and hairy women?

    I mean, we are primates sharing genomes with chimps like a boss.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)10:57 No.16408374
    Fur in select places, grows hair in on their heads in a similar fashion as us, but still shows skin like us, instead of light fur everywhere?

    Also a tail, I guess. Not that much difference, really. Monkey girls = hair growing in sexy ways, whilst hairy women is just hair, hair everywhere.

    Don't quote me on that, though; I'm more of a wolf/dog girl kind of guy, not a monkey girl kind of guy.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:02 No.16408419
    Why don't monkeys grow beards?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:04 No.16408433
    Because it would put us humans to shame. You don't shame your bros. Actually I don't even know. Ask Google.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:06 No.16408452
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    Don't forget the teeth.

    Damn, I love those teeth.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:07 No.16408456

    Well, beards and staches are pretty pointless when it comes to function.

    I mean, we don't kill things with our beards, nor we need to keep our facial muscles warm and they itch.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:10 No.16408476
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    More of Dem Teeth.

    Also, it's a lot more about personality than build, necessarily.

    They act more like wild or mischievous monkeys, bringing chaos and wild times.

    Or depending on the kind of stuff you're reading, wild sexy times.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:10 No.16408478
    I'mma have to ask for source, Anon.

    For scientific purposes, I assure you.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:11 No.16408483

    PoJu - Secret Journey
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:13 No.16408489
    Thank ye kindly, Anon. Science thanks you.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:13 No.16408496

    I just finished marathoning Ideon so helping someone is better than remaining mindfucked.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:24 No.16408572
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    How did she drive is the bottom half is snake?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:24 No.16408574
    It was Reme

    The Reman Empire was a bunch of humans kicking the shit out of everyone they found, including the Orcs in the East.

    Eventually Emperor Constantine (an Orc) rose to power and moved the capital to Constantinople. This was a major contributing factor to the division and eventual collapse of the Empire.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:24 No.16408579
    It would be like this

    Humans are like wolves, their deal is cooperation and tenacity. That's how they hunt. not super lethal by themselves but able to pursue and wear down a target and working together so that there is someone there when the moment of opportunity presents itself
    Elves are like cats, they have a solitary strategy relying on stealth and a sudden surprise attack of high lethality, but if they are detected or miss their strike, the jig is up.
    Dwarves are like bears, hardy and strong but not big on pursuit, relying on strength, endurance and defense of resource rich territory.
    Orcs are like hyenas, relying on power and brutality. Capable of hunting for themselves if necessary but just as happy or happier to take from others, subtlety and tactics rarely entering into it
    Halflings would be like foxes or jackals, relying on a mix of tactics, avoiding the attentions of larger predators, and seeking prey that is mostly beneath the effort of other predators
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:25 No.16408586

    You have followed the tenets of Nicodemus.

    "Love your bro, don't shame him!"
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:34 No.16408662
    She could have it custom made. I know of a swedish man with his arms and legs removed at the elbows and knees and he can drive just fine with some modifaction to the controls.

    He is also fit, found a hot wife AFTER he was disabled and had two or three kids. He also do the paperwork in the house, including putting letters into envelopes.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:52 No.16408815

    It's not about the limbs, it's all about motoric skills, proper reaction time and being sober while driving.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:54 No.16408831
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    >>Why don't monkeys grow beards?

    Hay guise, whut's goin' on in dis thread ?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:57 No.16408858
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    >Dwarves are like bears

    Herbivores and scavengers, you mean?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)11:58 No.16408870

    I still ask.


    From biological standpoint they're terribad waste of glorious biomass.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:01 No.16408887
    The purpose is to look awesome and keep us warm. Duh.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:02 No.16408897
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    You're casual emprah.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:04 No.16408916
    Pseudo-science much?

    That would have been sound reasoning if the history of humanity spanned just the past 300 years. The incidence of high intelligence in a population can't be influenced in such a short period of time due to miniscule variations in r/K selection, especially considering those variations are a recent advent. So any assumption that this has influenced Africans to a noticeable extent appears to not take into consideration human evolutionary history. Also, human intelligence hasn't been selected for since paleolithic times, seeing as how we began to settle down, disease resistance became more crucial as population centers developed, and division of work meant that most people needed to actually know less.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:16 No.16409028
    Well I don't mean they eat exactly what bears eat, just like I don't mean that elves have barbed penises, what I mean is that their strategy for getting food, and by extension what their strategy for warfare might be like, is similar to bears. It isn't a perfect analogy, I know. My point was to compare the most widely supposed characteristics of fictional races with real world counterparts, that haven't wiped each other out. The dwarf analogy was the weakest, maybe they are more like ants or bees, the idea of dwarves without industry seems wrong. It does seem like more than the other races, dwarves are thought of as altering their environment rather than adapting to (humans, halflings) preserving (elves) or destructively exploiting (orcs)
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:25 No.16409120
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    So if the catgirls are in India, where do the cute monkey girls go?

    Deep Africa?
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:26 No.16409134
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    Oh wait, that's right. MODERN monkey girls.

    Here you go.
    >> Ursus "Oddball" Rex 09/24/11(Sat)12:28 No.16409157
    Chiming in on this one -- if the setting includes all these fantasy races but each one is somehow able to magically (used as a general descriptive term, not meant to actually mean magic) interbreed by our modern times we'd likely be some massive mess of the species with various genetic combinations leading to some people resembling one of the ancestorial species more than another. Some dudes would be short and stocky and capable of great physical endurance, others would be light and swift, others would bear incredible natural power...

    In fact, other than some sexy features (pointy ears, tusks) you're not really looking at too different a modern society.

    And this is why fantasy races are largely silly. They fill in general niches for humans, by and large. Still hella fun to play though.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:40 No.16409275

    >Tail going through pants

    Acceptable, but growth ought to make this rather hard.

    >Tail through belt



    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)12:59 No.16409441
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    *I* wear the pants in THIS multi-racial world! What I say goes!

    Now you take off those pants this second, missy!

    ... Wait. That came out wrong...
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)14:21 No.16410033
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    People seem to be forgetting, species don't STAY were they first crop up. They expand and move.
    Like the South American Elves, for example. Sure they'd start in the Jungles, and that's probably were the thickest concentration of them would be.
    But by the time anyone crossed the Atlantic, they'd have moved South to the Andes, probably meet Dwarves there too, And have had moved up to the North American continent thousands of years ago. We'dprobably have a few tribes that got all the way up to Canada and Alaska too.
    We'd have Indian Elves every where.
    >> Anonymous 09/24/11(Sat)14:28 No.16410095
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    >Orcs are like hyenas, relying on power and brutality. Capable of hunting for themselves if necessary but just as happy or happier to take from others, subtlety and tactics rarely entering into it

    Uh, hyenas rely on tactics a lot actually, and hunt more than they scavenge, contrary to popular perception.

    You see, when scavenging there are two very affective models - you're small and light, like say, a jackal and can rip off a tiny chunk and run like a motherfucker in hope the actual predator doesn't care. Or you can be a huge motherfucker like a lion and stroll up and scare off the predators.

    Hyenas are neither. So they mostly hunt and when they can, they'll use their superior numbers (and the fact that they're smart enough to be able to count) to discern if they can go and take that kill from that pack of wild dogs, or pair of cheetahs, or that couple of lionesses, etc.

    Orcs would be more like lions, really. They're big and strong motherfuckers - you do not want to get caught by one - but they're not necessarily that smart but the sheer strength of their limbs and weight of their bodies makes up for it.

    Most of the time, anyways.
    >> Ursus "Oddball" Rex 09/24/11(Sat)14:46 No.16410220
    Aren't Hyenas in general more active predators than the Lions who'll stroll up and take what they want from a pack of Hyenas by virtue of being the bigger, meaner predator?

    In that case I'd prefer Orcs be like Hyenas. Organized, smart, and effective. Still a bit weird and clumsy looking but remarkably effective. There's no romantic noble element to them, but then there shouldn't be.

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