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    392 KB Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:46 No.16596363  
    So I'm coming up with my own Chaos warband, and I've hit a snag - will Chaos Space Marines join a Chaos warband that is predominantly human, and obey a human leader? Or will they just go "LAWL FUNNY LITTLE HUMAN I KILL YOU NOW"? Or does it vary?
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:47 No.16596369
    They would need a reason to follow, rather than just take them over.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:48 No.16596375
    is this an undivided warband?
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:49 No.16596385
    They're kind of like orks in that regard. The biggest & strongest one becomes the leader.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:51 No.16596403

    I was thinking a human warband that was already quite powerful, with a small fleet and lots of troops and some advanced armaments, and a few unaffiliated chaos marines joining here and there so they'd have someone to kill with, or rather "worship" with (it's a Khorne warband, just so you know). Not an organized group of marines joining all at once, and compared to the regular human population they are vastly out-numbered.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:52 No.16596415
    If the leader is sufficiently badass. Probably only if they are a powerful sorcerer or Daemon Prince.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:52 No.16596418
    Basically, if the warband is powerful enough that it would could crush the CSM fairly easily - say, a full regiment of traitor guard with sufficient dark mechanicus backup, they'll obey. At least, as much as Chaos obey anyone. So no more than the normal amount of backstabbing and what have you.

    If it's just some weak warband that promises them stuff later, they CSM would probably just kill them all.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:52 No.16596419
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    >(it's a Khorne warband, just so you know)
    The marines will take over. They will challenge the leader to a duel, and the marine will win, and he will become the new leader. That's how Khorne warbands work.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:54 No.16596442

    >it's a Khorne warband, just so you know

    Well, I was going to say that the Marines might join if the human in question was a powerful-enough psyker, but you've pretty much shot down that suggestion.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:55 No.16596446
    Khorne /=/ organization. the marines will just end up killing the lesser humans.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:55 No.16596447
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    Khornate traitor guard are best traitor guard.

    Regular men can be badass too. I mean, just look at the Imperium's heroes in the IG. Gaunt and Yarrick and Creed and what have you. I think CSM would follow a human leader if he has that degree of tactical genius. Or if he's some sort of extremely charismatic / fanatic preacher of the word of Chaos.
    >> Orky_Boss 10/11/11(Tue)21:55 No.16596453
    I think that it is quite possible, but the humans (more importantly the chaos lord) would have to have had many successful battles, and have gotten pretty lucky with his/her gifts from the gods.

    Also if tha's the case, it'd probably be "LAWL FUNNY LITTLE HUMAN YOU THINK YOU CAN BEAT ME?" And then he procedes to be beaten after a long fight before finally submittng.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:56 No.16596462
    Their leader is fused to his baneblade.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:56 No.16596468

    Hmm... I don't want that to happen. One of the main themes of the warband is that they consider themselves crusaders against decadence and tyranny, and that they've convinced themselves that Khorne is a god of righteousness rather than just warfare and hatred.

    Any ideas on how to work around that? I'd still like to be able to have a few chaos marines in the warband.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:56 No.16596469
    It'd be tough, unless this fairly regular human has one of the big 4 or a greater daemon or something backing him up.
    >> Orky_Boss 10/11/11(Tue)21:57 No.16596475
    oh. Khorne warband. nvm the huma will probaly lose, and the marines would take over.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:58 No.16596493

    Unless that human beats the everloving shit out of the marine who challenges him/her. Marines are not unbeatable and the war god does bless people.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:59 No.16596509
    >Any ideas on how to work around that? I'd still like to be able to have a few chaos marines in the warband.
    Make the Marines have their own ideology, and recognize the warband for what it is -- an excuse and a farce. Let them be from non-Khornate worship (maybe in Khorne's disfavor, actually), and then you can say that the small number of them are along for the ride. Shouldn't be an issue.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:59 No.16596512
    As said before, the leader would have to be sufficiently mutated to be on par/stronger than a terminator CSM.

    Basically like an Ork Warboss. Perhaps use an Ork Warboss model to represent it? Human that was bulked up by Khorne. Just need to change the head.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:59 No.16596513
    They glorify Khorne by waging war, wherever they go. Their leader isn't interested in silliness like personal duels, he just wants to see his war machine crush everything in their way.

    So if they challenge him to a duel he laughs in their faces as a hundred lasguns are suddenly pointed in their direction.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)21:59 No.16596516
    >Khorne /=/ organization
    Niggas don't know 'bout my Blood Pact.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:00 No.16596523
    >Unless that human beats the everloving shit out of the marine who challenges him/her. Marines are not unbeatable and the war god does bless people.
    He'd have to be a very gifted man to defeat a Chaos Space Marine who is likely blessed by the gods as well.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:01 No.16596535
    didn't blood pact have psykers though? shit made no sense,
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:01 No.16596541
    Should have mentioned that in the first place.
    I don't think most folks consider that predominantly human, there's a lot more Baneblade than guy.
    And yeah, he could boss 'em around,
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:02 No.16596554
    The only way that would happen methinks is if the human was an extremely powerful psyker.

    But still, probably not.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:02 No.16596566
    The whole "Khorne hates psykers" thing was pretty stupid and generic in the first place; everyone pretty much disregards it.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:03 No.16596572
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    >The whole "Khorne hates psykers" thing was pretty stupid and generic in the first place; everyone pretty much disregards it.
    >Citation needed
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:03 No.16596573
    Can't be that hard. Ciaphas Cain once defeated a chaos marine (a berzerker too).
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:04 No.16596579
    See: the Blood Pact.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:04 No.16596587
    I always viewed it as a mistrust
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:04 No.16596590
    Ciaphas Cain is protected by the strongest plot armor the Emperor can provide. He is also a very good chainswordsman.

    And he is not blessed by Chaos.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:05 No.16596608
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    leader is fused to baneblade...
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:05 No.16596610
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    >Ciaphas Cain once defeated a chaos marine
    Hey guys. I just got an idea.

    What if OP's warband leader was a Khornate version of Ciaphas Cain?
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:06 No.16596620
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:08 No.16596636
    His victories are actually due to his Daemon Bodyguard Jerg'Enn.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:08 No.16596647
    >What if OP's warband leader was a Khornate version of Ciaphas Cain?
    >What if OP's warband leader was the polar opposite of Ciaphas Cain?
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:09 No.16596654
    this kinda changes everything...I believe a banblade should be able to beat a chaos spacemarine in ritual combat (this is assuming that the spacemarine in question did not bring melta bombs or a melta....)
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:11 No.16596676
    >And he is not blessed by Chaos.
    Or is he?
    >Laughing tzeentch.svg.swf.jpg.png
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:12 No.16596686
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    >OP asks for mortal warband leader advice
    >Chaos Ciaphas Cain
    >leader is actually a baneblade
    I like where this thread is going.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:12 No.16596690
    I've always been pretty disappointed by the lack of Chaos IG in the Dawn of War games. Especially since Relic did them so nicely in Space Marine.

    Playing CSM just feels lame.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:12 No.16596695
    Partially depends on just how he's fused though, if he's permanent sticking out the commander's hatch, then a sufficiently nimble berserker could potentially get dat skull for the skull throne.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:14 No.16596707
    Chaos Marines, yes even Bezerkers, aren't nessecarily mindless killing idiots. They're still super fucking highly trained, highly tactical, brutally intelligent soldiers. If it was mutually beneficial for Chaos Marines seperated, exiled or final survivors of a warband to join a large host of humans, it wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that they'd just follow along with their plans, even if it was only until something better came along.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:15 No.16596714
    fuckit. Hes fused with the machine spirit for megatron.

    How would one actually convert a baneblade megatron though... hmm... gotta get alot of big kits and bash them together. Could be pretty cool.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:16 No.16596728
    That's assuming that a berzerker would be stupid enough to charge his Baneblade lord in the first place. Not much blood or skulls to gain from that either.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:16 No.16596729
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    >Daemon Bodyguard Jerg'Enn.
    A daemon of Nurgle.

    Khainatron has been immune to the effects of the stench.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:18 No.16596748
    >Baneblade Arch-heretic
    Fuck you guys I'm stealing this idea for my next warband.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:20 No.16596768
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    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:21 No.16596778
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    He is one man...

    ...who is also a tank...

    ...with a snarky daemon sidekick.

    His name is Megakain.

    He's about to unleash...

    ...eleven barrels...

    ...of Hell.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:22 No.16596784
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    >Chaos Tank

    Oh holy shit I'm crying from laughing so hard over here.

    This is glorious.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:23 No.16596792
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    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:23 No.16596794
    Dude who came up with "He is fused to a baneblade", never knew it would take off so well. I applaud you.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:24 No.16596801
    Depends on how he does it.
    If he calls Baneboss out from a ways off, then he;s probably fucked, but if he walks up to the Baneboss first, he could probably clamber up at least onto the hull before any guns get brought to bear, assuming wacky warp mutation hasn't made any of those bolter mounts more flexible than standard models
    As for the latter part remember, it matters not where the blood comes from, just so long as it flows.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:24 No.16596804
    why not just make him the mirror, bizarro universe versian of cain where and have him be brave and selfless but never get any credit for it. Also he has a really hard time finding dangerous life threatening situations.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:24 No.16596805
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    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:26 No.16596816
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    All Megakain really wants to do is drink blood-fuel and hang out with daemonettes, but his uncanny ability to get caught up in fights and come out on top earn him endless glory and prestige among his warband.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:28 No.16596838
    CSM: Wow, that is the 666th planet we have conquered! And we couldn't've done it without...
    Megakain: YES!
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:28 No.16596843
    OP here, I'm gonna share the back story so you guys know what you're dealing with.

    The leader of the warband was never any part of a formal military structure, and never received any formal training, but he is naturally strong and accrued lots of battle experience in street skirmishes before he embraced Khorne. The warband was originally a large horde of rebels on a hive world that was ruled by a particularly tyrannical and decadent upper class, comprised of regular citizens who took up arms and traitor guardsmen. They were so enraged at the rulers and inflicted so much death and destruction that Khorne reached out to them. By the time the rebellion was over most of them were dead, the large majority of the survivors being traitor IG, and the remnants of the rebel mob formed a more organized group, scrounged up what equipment they could, stole some ships and took off to look for more "sinners" to "punish."

    They see themselves as crusaders for justice, rather than simple warriors, and they bear a particularly ferocious hatred for anyone who is wealthy and powerful, and especially the followers of Slaanesh. They are quite young, having only existed for just 20 years, but their initially large size allowed them to do some damage for the first decade or so, with heavy losses. They are mainly pirates, preying on trade vessels, and whenever the opportunity presents itself they attack small and isolated Imperial Guard regiments for equipment, and of course skulls and blood.

    I haven't yet decided how many ships or what kind they have yet, but I'm thinking their numbers will be in the high thousands and mostly traitor guardsmen. I also haven't decided how much and with what Khorne has blessed them yet, but their leader has definitely been beefed up quite a bit.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:29 No.16596847
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    COMING 8/8/8
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:31 No.16596862
    rolled 21 = 21

    fuck your backstory, we're discussing something better

    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:34 No.16596891
    Megakain has drawn the (dis)favor of Tzeentch! The God of Change seeks to turn him into a titan! But Jur'genn knows only how to ride a tank. Will Megakain embrace the change and transform, or will his bonds of friendship draw the ire of the Sorcerer God?

    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:36 No.16596901
    Well, if you want an excuse for your leader to not have to duel a Chaos Space Marine up-front, you should probably work extreme discipline somewhere into their background, such that none of them will be impressed by CSM's "hurr lets duel" shenanigans, and view it as sloppy self-gratifying bullshit.

    Alternately, just have their leader blinged the fuck out with augmetics and gifts of Khorne, lore-wise, such that he can at least take on a regular Chaos marine.

    I mean, it's 40k. Heroes of any kind, even mortal men, generally shit all over the baser units of their enemies, just by virtue of being unique characters.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:36 No.16596902
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    Megakain's first great victory was at the planet of Sparania XII. There the chaos warband that had picked him up was engaging a force of Orks. While trying to kill a butterfly that was flying in and out of his chasis, Megakain fired off his main cannon and missed his target, the shell instead flying a kilometer across the battlefield and landing directly on the Ork warboss. The warband quickly routed the leaderless Orks and slaughtered them all, while praising Megakain for his great kill.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:36 No.16596906
    So if he wants to hang out with daemonettes, his sidekick is a plaguebearer, and he has gotten the interest of Tzeentch, I think he has shifted from Khornate to Chaos Undivided.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:38 No.16596929
    >The warband quickly routed the leaderless Orks and slaughtered them all, while praising Jur'genn for his great kill.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:41 No.16596950
    I dont think he should be permantly fused to the baneblade

    though it will only operate when someone is fused with it and anyone who isnt Megakain tends to not fare well
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:43 No.16596967
    >Megakain: "I AM CHAOS LORD NOW"
    >CSM: "But...you aren't even..."
    >Megakain: "FUCK YOU, I'M A BANEBLADE"
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:44 No.16596972
    Not really. He once held against Khorne berserker in combat for several seconds until somewhat shot him (may be Jurgen with his melta, not sure though), then later in the book killed a very heavily wounded one.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:47 No.16596995
    I think Megakain should be a baneblade with a human effigy on top of the tank somewhere, with only the upper-half of a human.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:49 No.16597007
    Megakain once destroyed not one, but TWO titans in single combat.

    Of course Jur'genn got all the credit because he melted their cockpits once they were broken to pieces.
    >> Priest Of Chaos Partially Divided 10/11/11(Tue)22:51 No.16597027
    Please tell me that someones archived this.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:52 No.16597035
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    So basically Chaos Straken?
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:54 No.16597060
    It is now.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:55 No.16597068
    Yes. But with Chaos symbols carved into his augmetics and his face already full-on Terminator mode.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:55 No.16597071
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    A portrait of Jur'genn.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:57 No.16597076
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    Holy fuck this is an awesome idea. I wanna do some writefaggotry for this bad, although it'll have to wait until tomorrow since I'm about to go to bed.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)22:58 No.16597085
    >> ‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮‪‫‬‭‮Praetor Lillifag‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬ 10/11/11(Tue)22:59 No.16597093
    Beat me to it.

    Well, the next step up is to summon the drawfags, sound the call for the writefags, and get OP some game rules for MEGAKAIN.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)23:08 No.16597178
    Also, due to Slaaneshi mutation, Jur'genn always radiates extremely pleasant aroma.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)23:12 No.16597201
    If you go by Fantasy Flight Games, Chas Space Marines are more likely to obey a powerful human heretic, than a loyalist SM is to obey an Inquisitor.
    >> Anonymous 10/11/11(Tue)23:12 No.16597205
    >pleasant smell
    >gets all the daemonettes
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)00:00 No.16597655

    Also, what would happen if Megakain became a Daemon Prince?
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)00:05 No.16597705
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)00:10 No.16597754
    Becomes the Daemon Prince of Tanks.
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)00:13 No.16597788
    He'd ascend to the ranks of a lesser god pretty quickly then.
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)01:10 No.16598355
    There are cults to Kain sprouting up everywhere. It is inevitable.
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)04:14 No.16599845
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)09:01 No.16601430
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)12:48 No.16602962
    Final bump.
    >> Anonymous 10/12/11(Wed)13:47 No.16603239

    Doesn't that make Jurg'enn the equivalent of Starscream then?

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