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    112 KB Dictator Quest Part 2 Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/25/12(Wed)23:04 No.17676996  

    Nation: Republic of Zanzi
    Information: Free Religion! Republic!
    Resources: Average Resources. Specific to come soon.
    Location: West Africa near Ivory Coast. Fictional location. To be mapped.
    Political Ties: Russia is a close friend - when they remember we exist... China has sold/loaned equipment to us before.
    Era: Near Future / Modern. Late 2012.

    Leader: President Negasso Garawa. Also known as "Xavier" - Elected President For Life.
    Race: Black Male
    History: Graduated from Moscow University with a business major. Has contacts within the Russian government.


    I will be accepting proposals for flag designs (MSPaint them.) - No offensive flags please. Must 'fit' the logic of a national standard.


    >> DECEMBER 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/25/12(Wed)23:13 No.17677122
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    -Russia has accepted our acceptance of their proposal. Reminder of their "offer" we accepted is as follows.
    ::Develop 1 Airbase outside capital city for our use.
    ::Install National Radar and Capital Radar systems with Air Defense.
    ::Train our people to operate the above.
    ::In exchange allow them to use our new airfield for one squadron and axillary supply craft.

    -PMC "BlackJets" has been found, they have been hired to patrol the jungles and borders for any "terrorist" or "rebel" movements into our territory.

    -Iran is offering 12 F-14 fighters, 4 Mig-29s, and 3 SU-25 Frogfoots WITH weapons, WITH maintenance, for 40% of new-cost. A fair deal advisors say. We will need the Russians to train us in taking care of their gear. The F-14s are now "One of a kind" American Equipment.

    -Ghana has requested the building of a highway between their capital and ours, with a border gate.

    -BBC has sent GlobalTeleCom (GTC) to us, they are offering to install a global internet dish to connect us to the primary orbiting network of satellites. They wish to build a data-center in our capital to allow businesses to host content outside of their own nation in the event of bad shit (Backup drives.)

    -Pic related, its 10 more of our men dieing to an attack in the Ivory Coast conflict zone. UN sends condolences for our mens' mistake.
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:17 No.17677170

    Wait, wait. Make sure we have at least one of our guys with the mercenaries. We can't have them massacre-ing our people. i realize a few of our people will be bribed and whatnot, but it's better than this.
    >> Andreus Falanum 01/25/12(Wed)23:18 No.17677188
    >Iran Buy the Migs and frogfoots.
    >Ghana Gather as many homeless and Prisoners as we can, Homeless are tried for two years hard labour working on the highway, criminals are used as often as possible.
    >GTC Agree
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:20 No.17677207
    Iran: I think we should either buy the Migs and Frogfoots only, or go with another anon's plan and speak to the United States about the deal, so that they can set up an operation to destroy the F-14s (using information gained from an "Iranian" leak) and then covertly compensate us for them.

    Ghana: This is acceptable.

    BBC: Also acceptable. I wonder if the purpose of the datacenter is as innocuous as they say.

    Deaths: Is there any more information about this?
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:20 No.17677208
    >Russian radar and airbase
    Good. Provide labor as needed for the construction of the airbase.

    Also have them do a flyover of the area where our scouts disappeared. Also make sure that there's a military liaison from the our military's office of mercenary affairs to prevent friendly fire and stupid shit like that.

    Definite purchase of the Migs and Frogfoots.
    Quietly contact the US State Department, ask if they feel one way or the other about Iran's F-14's (do they not care, or do they want to see them destroyed, and if so, how much would they be willing to pay us to arrange it)

    >Ghana Highway
    Sounds like a good idea. Send a negotiation team to work out the details.

    Accept their deal.

    >Free Action
    Ask Israel if what they're doing with their TAR-21's they're phasing out, and if we can get a bulk discount.
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:29 No.17677340
    10 more men dead to this peacekeeping operation.

    Maybe they need to alter their Rules of Engagement.
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    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:38 No.17677478
    > Peacekeepers dead

    Offer the UN peacekeeping mission an additional 250 men, IF they give our men better training. Clearly if our men made a mistake that lead to their deaths, our men need better training somehow? Perhaps they could help improve our officer corps to prevent this kind of accident in the future?
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:43 No.17677534

    This. We've lost a lot of men, there. I think it's time to start asking some questions.
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:45 No.17677564
    This makes 57 soldiers dead in less than 6 months.

    I agree with >>17677534
    It's time to start asking questions and finding out what's going on.
    >> JANUARY 2014 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/25/12(Wed)23:51 No.17677628
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    -TAR-21 Israel replies they would be happy to sell us a chunk of their stockpile. The deal has been arranged and the weapons are on the way.

    -PMC flyover reports a rebel village in the jungle, with anti-air weapon systems. They avoided being shot down, but barely... they seem well armed.

    -PMC liaisons have been setup with their groups to prevent friendly fire. Muslim populace tends to be favored when the PMC steps in to support them against criminals or possible rebels.

    -Highway with criminal and homeless labor is being planned and set into motion. Will take up to a year to get it done, unless we hurry production.

    -Russian liaisons have arrived and are working with our government to find a nice location for the airfield. Until it is complete, Russia asks for permission to use our airport for at least a single squadron of fighters to protect the construction of the airport.

    -UN Force of our troops will be ending their service term this month. UN has not furthered requests for more men at this time. Of the ten pilots, 7 made the cut for planes, 1 for helicopter flight. None have any combat vehicle experience but are capable pilots now. The troops have experience of war and better trained than your primary forces.

    -FUN FACT: Ghana. With around 7,000 personnel serving in the Ghanian military, Ghana has the lowest ratio of active troops per thousand citizens in the world, standing at 0.33. The Army is larger than the Air Force and the Navy.

    Note: I accidentally posted anonymously. Been posting in /k/ and /tg/
    >> a slopoke 01/25/12(Wed)23:53 No.17677659
    how is the reactor doing?

    and make the peacekeepers into our SPecOps when they get home. or have them become our officers and trainers as applicable.

    also, thanks for running this quest man :D
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:56 No.17677712

    Agreeing with the specops idea.


    Are these the same rebels who fell off the face of the earth a while back? If so, we might need to get the war machine up and running.

    Allow the Russians to use the airfield.

    I'd still prefer we ask questions about how, exactly, our men died.
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:56 No.17677715
    Have the PMC keep tags on the rebles, start bulking up our armed forces to take them out. also: what is going down with the "lords resistance army"?
    they could be moving into our jungles...
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:56 No.17677719
    Rebels: Begin planning and training men for an assault.

    Highway: At the moment, there's no need to hurry.

    Russians: Request approved.

    UN Force: For now, all of them should be slated for training duty. They're quite valuable for their knowledge.
    >> Anonymous 01/25/12(Wed)23:57 No.17677729
    Also make sure to buy bullets. Guns need ammo, after all.

    >Rebel village
    This will be a problem. Have PMC's keep up air patrols but beyond AA weapon range. Interdict flights that look to be heading towards the village.

    Allow them to use the civilian airport. It's a reasonable request.

    >UN Force
    Have the infantry spread out to act as cadre for our inexperienced troops.

    >Helicopter Pilot
    Contact Russia; we wish to purchase a single Mil Mi-24 Hind, with the necessary maintenance and training contracts.

    >Free Action
    Search among tribals and other wilderness-experienced peoples for recruits for the Army. We need people who are experienced in moving through the jungle unseen, so that we can get more intel about the rebel camp.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)00:22 No.17678018
    >what is going down with the "lords resistance army"?
    They shouldn't be coming here, since we're well out of their known operating zones.

    Also, part of the PMC's job is to prevent those kinds of forces from moving into our borders by taking them out from the air.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)00:24 No.17678035
    Did our Grand Leader fall asleep?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)00:30 No.17678101
    We need to find out who's backing the rebels, and why.

    We'll also want a shipment of RPG-7's, hand grenades, and that Hind before launch our attack.
    Since it's deep in the jungle, vehicles won't be of much use, unfortunately.

    Also, what do people think about getting Gen. II or Gen. III night vision equipment for our military?
    We're small enough that we might be able to afford it, and being able to fight at night is something that many of our neighbors can't do.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)00:54 No.17678383

    Damnit. Sorry.

    Making post now.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)00:55 No.17678398
    >We need to find out who's backing the rebels, and why.

    Watch it be the CIA. JUST WATCH.

    But yeah, we need to inquire about the constant deaths of our troops for the UN. Could be benign fuck-ups (relatively speaking), but worst case scenario is SOMEONE pulling some strings Alpha Legion style against us.
    >> FEBRUARY 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)01:02 No.17678471
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    -Russia will be giving a lend/lease Hind, and training. We can buy it later if we please.

    -Ammunition for TARs have been acquired as well. The shipments arrived at the airport and have been distributed to soldiers and armories as needed.

    -Infantry from the UN missions have been formed to make a "force" - we need a name for this force! They are currently spreading their knowledge to others.

    -Tribals are interested in joining as a scout force. Advisers think it may be wise to make a scout force out of them...

    -France has sent a formal apology for the friendly fire accident from earlier. To make up for it, they will be gifting you engineers to help with your infrastructure for a few months as a good will gesture.

    -Thorium Reactor 1 is now underway. Indian engineers have begun construction outside your city in a safe location. Theoretically this is unnecessary.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)01:14 No.17678584
    >The Peacemakers
    >Agree, organize the tribals into a force with 2 regulars per tribal, with the tribals training the regulars.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)01:22 No.17678643
    Going to sleep. Will continue this tomorrow, from same thread I hope.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)01:26 No.17678676
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    Warthog Company?
    of the 750 coming back WC should consist of about 400. The rest should be promoted to officers and training duty.
    The elite company will participate in cross training field exercises with the regular army
    continue to enforce safety and construction integrity

    How is are our roads and farms going?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)01:35 No.17678751
    This thread is now devoted solely to giving our Peacekeepers an awesome name.

    I vote the Patriots.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)01:39 No.17678788
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    ya warthogs suck. disregard warthogs.

    try this instead
    Ogoun Force
    Traditional African deity of iron and warfare
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)02:27 No.17679213
    >Buy F-14s from Iran
    >"Accidentally" leak the position and identification of the ship moving them between Iran and our nation to the US, quietly
    >SEALs raid the ship, F-14s destroyed, Iran slapped with more sanctions
    >Good will from the US
    >"Where are our planes, Iran? You owe us!"

    Hell, if we do this, we can just initially purchase the F-14s, then demand the other things they offered us earlier as compensation for the planes destroyed by the US.
    >> Indonesian Gentleman 01/26/12(Thu)02:34 No.17679270
    Another good idea for small arms and armored vehicles - buy third-world developed ones! Stuff like South African Rooikats or Vektor, or maybe PT Pindad's SS-1 assault rifles or its wide variety of armored vehicles.
    Plus points:
    +cheaper than Western stuff, sometimes cheaper than Slavstuff
    +strengthen relationship with the other country
    +branching into possible market possibilities w/ other country
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)02:53 No.17679404
    These threads are pleasantly slow, I can actually sleep at night and still keep up with them.

    Go with the Iran/US ploy, it's risky, but could leave us better off than straight up taking their offer.

    We can probably stop buying military equipment after that, given our size we won't benefit that much from it. Have the PMC keep tabs on the rebels, and train a potential assault force. Be hush hush about it.

    It's time to start mining that gold at this point though, how is the market value of gold doing? Rising, decreasing?

    Aside from that, focus on roads and agriculture improvements.

    For our free action, let's improve the pay for our doctors and teachers, we got very few of those compared to engineers last time.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)03:43 No.17679692
    I think we should buy the f 14+ upkeep and the mig's from iran. Coupled with Russian hinds will make for a decent airforce, designed on air defence and local CAS.

    What we need next is some BTRs to strike at the rebel base with minimal casualties, and keep the prisoner highway workforce in line.

    also a way to keep an eye on our finances. we might be overspending with such a large expenditure, even at 25% cost for the air force.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)04:31 No.17679982
    F-14 are not a good idea. Highly maintenance intensive and parts are getting harder to find.

    OP, how are the local air forces in the region? Their strengths and the craft they mainly fly?

    For CAS at low intensity warfare, even trainers will suffice. OA-10 broncos or the EMB 314 Super Tucano will be cheap and do the job nicely.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)05:17 No.17680141

    >Infantry from the UN missions have been formed to make a "force" - we need a name for this force! They are currently spreading their knowledge to others.
    - the Liberty Guards

    >Tribals are interested in joining as a scout force. Advisers think it may be wise to make a scout force out of them...
    - If we can let's give them some basic training and weaponry just in case.

    >France has sent a formal apology for the friendly fire accident from earlier. To make up for it, they will be gifting you engineers to help with your infrastructure for a few months as a good will gesture.
    - This is good. Thank them and for this gesture and hope that our nations may put this tragic accident behind us.

    >Thorium Reactor 1 is now underway. Indian engineers have begun construction outside your city in a safe location. Theoretically this is unnecessary.
    - Rather safe than sorry. Also this might be a target for the rebels so if we can spare any troops it would be good to have some guards here. Or we could place a training facility here. That would give us troops to protect the building of the reactor without "draining" our limited military resourcess.

    Also I was thinking, couldn't we offer cattle to various tribes as payment if they send people to be educated or to work on any of our different project? This might be something both parts can make a profit of. We get more educated people and workers for a low price and they get something to help them in there everyday life. Just a thought that came to mind.

    Btw no to the F-14. Yes to the MIG and frogfoots.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:28 No.17680316
    >Russia will be giving a lend/lease Hind, and training. We can buy it later if we please.
    Excellent. What are the terms of the lease?

    >Infantry from the UN missions have been formed to make a "force" - we need a name for this force! They are currently spreading their knowledge to others.
    The Zanzi-Guard. Promote as many as necessary to officers, instructers, trainers and what have you. Have the remainder perform cross-batallion drilling (perhaps even a few small "war-game" style excersises, in practice for taking the rebels.

    >Tribals are interested in joining as a scout force. Advisers think it may be wise to make a scout force out of them...
    Capital suggestion. Basic training of course, arms/fitness what have you though I doubt they'll require it. Perhaps gift the tribes some cattle or a medical outreach program in return (which will hopefull ease the integration process in the future).

    >France has sent a formal apology for the friendly fire accident from earlier. To make up for it, they will be gifting you engineers to help with your infrastructure for a few months as a good will gesture.
    Graciously thank the French president and state how well this will mend any rift that passed between us.

    >Thorium Reactor 1 is now underway. Indian engineers have begun construction outside your city in a safe location. Theoretically this is unnecessary.
    Excellent news, but I also agree we should perhaps station an army training camp nearby.

    >Free action
    Continue to pump money into agriculture/land development. The gold can wait, for now - how are our food stocks/production looking? Could an ill-timed drought still cripple us?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:29 No.17680317

    >Other questions
    How goes the refinary construction? Any more trouble with the pirates? Have we heard back from either Russia/Cina(/the US?) about the nationality and intentions of the submarine? It might be worth setting up an intelligence service of our own. Also, what is popular sentiment regarding the rebels? Are they seen as freedom fighters, or terrorists?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:49 No.17680373
    We can put our helicopter pilot to good use.

    Ask them if they have any other equipment they're getting rid of cheap; particularly infantry mortars and grenade launchers. If not, ask the Russians what their weekly deal is, and we've got some insurgents to take out.

    >UN Force
    Zanzi Marine Corps. Yeah, I know it's boring, but I want to distance us from other tin-pot dictators and other such nations by having an understated and professional name rather something like Republican Guard or something fancy.

    Accept their apology with tact and the engineers gladly. Voice that we hope to put those tragedies behind us, and let us work together for a better future.

    Yes recruit them, integrate them into our military, and call the scout force the Pathfinders. Also while the tribals like their way of life, offer that the door to integration with the rest of the nation is always open. Buy them cattle/livestock that fits in with their way of life to support them and to cement us as allies.

    Keeping it outside the city makes it easier to maintain security, and fortunately we have the space to spare.

    >free action
    Clear jungle to the gold deposit and begin a state-run mine. Follow international safety codes.

    We should also shop around for inexpensive night-vision equipment. Keep South Africa in mind for their Super Hind upgrade kit and Marauder infantry vehicle.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)06:55 No.17680397
    >other questions
    We still need to get an answer from the US about our possible purchase of F-14's.

    I agree that agriculture is important but I think that the revenue from the gold mine could significantly help boost our agriculture and let us buy food if there are any problems. We are a proud nation, we will buy our food, not beg for handouts.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:15 No.17680501
    But why take the risk of needing to buy the food? Surely that way we'll simply waste what resources we get from the gold reserves. Better to sustain ourselves than buying or beging. That way the windfall from the gold can be put to better use. Greater education or medical infrastructure perhaps, or even military if necessary.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)07:45 No.17680619
    But we need money if we're going to increase our agriculture. We already started improvements and will need more income in order to support the more expensive agricultural infrastructure.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:07 No.17680745
    This is a valid point, but I'm still not quite ready to cede my ground yet. Shall we agree to disagree and let the majority decide? Gentlemen's agreement against samefaggorty of course.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:10 No.17680758
    f-14a are overkill. we do not hae the money to buy or maintain them.

    the Hind lease is because russian support

    for airpower i say Super tucanos, or some Mig-21 LanceR variants, since they be fighta bombers and require low cost maintenance - the Romanians have to sell /get rid of them and we can use them while paying a pittance since they would scrap them anyway.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:40 No.17680894
    No. It's been barely 3 months since we were able to begin the improved agricultural policies. Its far too early to start seeing crop improvements especially since they weren't implemented during the growing season. Therefore we still risk starvation until our first bumper crop comes in.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:53 No.17680973
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    >TAR-21's purchased

    Sweet. I like to think this presents a better image to the world then having our brave boys running around with AK's. A more professional, modern image. As >>17680373 suggested, we should perhaps structure our army along American lines.


    Agree with this gentleman here. Buying South African made light vehicles would be a great way to get good, cheap equipment while boosting ties with Africa. We should stick to deals where we can by arms with money, without tying ourselves into long term military alliances, like with Russia.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)08:55 No.17680987
    >the Romanians have to sell /get rid of them
    Really? Last I heard, the Romanians were going to hang on to them because of money problems preventing them from buying something more modern.

    You have a point about the F-14's being a little overkill in regards to the kind of opposition we are likely to face, and the difficulty of getting spare parts and replacement components.
    That's why some of us are trying to contact the US on how it feels concerning this sale. They probably want those F-14's gone from Iran's hands, but the question is whether they'll front us the money needed to do so.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:00 No.17681007

    So, look to the IMI, Denel etc for arms. From the Wiki page, Denel aren't exactly looking too hot at the moment, despite making quality armaments, so we should be able to cut a deal with them.


    Also, if we're looking for tanks.. I'd love it if we offered to buy some old Merkava's from Israel.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:03 No.17681020

    I doubt they will. It gets cash into Iranian hands for tech that requires parts that do not come by easily and the Iranians cannot easily decommission craft that they cannot afford to replace.

    The OA-10 Brono doesn't have any buyers yet. We might be able to negotiate a good price as a first buyer.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:04 No.17681029

    Those MBTs are configured for desert warfare. I'd suggest that we not look into purchasing them yet and instead go for light tanks and IFVs since our surrounding terrain is mostly jungle.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:06 No.17681041

    True enough. I was just thinking long term, if we bought a few tanks to protect our capital.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:12 No.17681090

    If it does come down to the defence of our capital, it would be more prudent to invest in man-portable AT-weapons like the RPG-29.

    Luring the opposing force into our city limits and using the urban environment to engage and destroy the tanks, like say from the 3rd storey, shooting into the top armour of the enemy armour.

    Considering the state of our military, a better trained and equipped infantry would suit our purposes better.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:13 No.17681105
    >The OA-10 Brono
    Oh, you mean Boeing's modernized version, the OA-10X?
    I admit, specs-wise, it seems to fit our requirements. But then so does the Super Tocano, and the Cessna Dragonfly.

    I suppose it all depends on who can give us the better deal.

    There's quite a range of light tanks and IFV's for the dictator on a budget.
    I think we should see what Russia and South Africa can offer us.

    Russia is still one of our largest and most important trading partners, so they should always be considered.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:17 No.17681134
    One question:
    Who's watching the watchmen?

    It seems that we have all this foreign involvement (france, russia, india) along with an apolitical PMC (BlackJets) all with their fingers knuckle deep in our Zanzian honeypot.

    Who's keeping tabs on them? Do we have secret police? Do we have an official government intelligence department? Are we taking any steps whatsoever to protect ourselves and our people from threats foreign and domestic?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:20 No.17681164
    then getting some of the new Chinese Mig-21.

    they can do air superiority against anyone in the vicinity, do air police and still do CAS.

    or some migs and a LanceR upgrade package...

    Until we get some proper economy super fighters like Mig 29, F14 and other super-killers are way out of our league.

    heck, we need first some BTR's to ensure our survival rates in the small infantry force.
    and a coast guard!


    then concentrating on economy , since a goldmine and a few oil rigs are just not enough. perhaps have a bank secret deal like the cayman's and somehow disavow Great Zanzi from Nigerian Princes schams,
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:28 No.17681217
    The importance of buying the Mig-29's isn't to be able to field them immediately, it's to get them at a good discount now, even if their deployment would be limited in the short term.

    I agree that we need some light IFV's quickly, but the question is who to buy from.
    South Africa has some good, cheap IFV's like the Rooikat. They're a fellow African Union member, so spare parts and technical training shouldn't be a problem.

    But Russia has BTR's and BMP's, and we have a good relationship with them so we might get a discount on spare parts and maintenance training.

    We need to shop around a little first.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:32 No.17681240

    I don't trust anything the chinese put out. Especially how many of those things drop out of the air.

    Also, since we are building ties with Russia, we're better off going to them for the purchase of the MIGs.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:34 No.17681258
    How big is our military spending, in comparison to the rest of our budget? Is it as big as it was with the last government?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:48 No.17681343
    I hope not. However, with rebels in our country getting foreign military aid, I don't think we can afford to scrimp on military spending.
    Especially since, according to all of our current military intel from that region, they're not recruiting from the locals, meaning that the strategy of improving the livelihoods of the locals to stop rebels from gaining new recruits won't work.

    We don't have a secret police, though we should invest in a counter-intelligence agency. The problem is getting people with the training for that.
    Got any good ideas on how to recruit instructors and experienced agents?
    The only idea right now is to recruit from experienced police personnel and from the army those officers that show an aptitude for it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)09:56 No.17681397
    Lets send another contingent in Ghana for the UN mission, after they get some basic training from the first batch, so that they can absorb more during their stint with the UN.

    Also, Mig 21 from Russians and buying either the Romanian or the Indian Upgrade package might be cool and cost-effective. ( lets have them ready to do sea patrol as well as air patrol to protect the oil rigs until we get a coast guard)

    I say we go for BTR 80s and BMPs (either 2's or 3's) mix

    also clear out the jungle and start going about setting up the goldmine- we need that revenue.
    regarding the Reactor, establish a training base near it, where the former UN contingents is to train the new one to be sent to the UN, so we get more professional, and they get a better name for themselves, or the training cam for the tribals, although id do that somewhere close to the jungle, not near the city, where the UN type training would be more effective.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:05 No.17681452
    >Lets send another contingent in Ghana for the UN mission
    First, it's the Ivory Coast, not Ghana, that has the UN Peacekeeping mission.
    Second, they said they don't need any more.

    The Super Tucano would probably be a better purchase, as it's designed for counter-insurgency, and as a prop-driven plane has a longer loiter time.

    As for the BTR's and BMP's, we still need a price quote from South Africa for their IFV's.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:13 No.17681505

    Diferent anon here.

    I'd put forward that the Mig-21s and the light attack craft fulfil two different roles that we require.

    The Tucano/Bronco/Dragonfly are very useful for a CAS role but their low speeds do not lend themselves well to an interceptor/air superiority role.

    So, we could do with a few for limited air superiority in our engagement zones.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:18 No.17681544
    >Got any good ideas on how to recruit instructors and experienced agents?

    Well . . . . . . I'm just going to throw this out there.
    Here's my logic: we know 2 things 1) we don't have the local talent to pull it off, and 2) any foreigner that we recruit is going to have an ulterior motive.

    So if we just call a spade a spade, I say we utilize our old university contacts and bring in an old russian mafia boss. Somebody who is old, and "retired". They have the experience to set up intelligence gathering operations, they aren't going to live long enough to be a problem, and we can bring in someone local as their 2nd in command to learn the trade.

    And if they fuck up, we can make a big public circus of a trial and spin the PR to make us look good without pissing off the locals.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:20 No.17681557

    Shit, this is a pretty good idea.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:21 No.17681566
    we just don't need air superiority. Rebels aren't going to be able to afford aircraft, any foreign power that wants to invade us isn't going to be bothered by all 5-10 interceptors we can afford to keep running, and we're going to lose millions training pilots for missions they wont fly, maintaining jets we can't use just in case a situation arises that we wont be able to stop anyway. It's just a money pit.

    We have to rely on Russia/UN to protect us from large scale conventional war.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)10:22 No.17681570
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    I'm at work...prepare your dictating skills!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:23 No.17681582
    Okay, you have a point that they could be used to fill two different roles.

    I still think we should buy the Mig-29's from Iran.
    We have a very small number of pilots. I would rather that they fly planes guaranteed to ruin fighters deployed by any of our neighbors, given our small numbers.
    With the discount on them that Iran is offering, and with our close ties with Russia giving us ready access to spares, weapon options, and consultants, I think the Mig-29 deal is something we shouldn't pass up.

    Once our economy grows larger and we can afford more planes, then we can expand with cheap Mig-21's. But for our air-supremacy squadron I think the Mig-29's are the best deal we can currently get.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:24 No.17681584
    that fucking airsupply the rebels got.
    a interceptor a Tucano is not.

    cutting it will severely ease our dealing with them , since if our firs assault fails they wont get even more stronger via air supply and they will have to brave the jungle for supply
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:28 No.17681614
    Maybe not the Russian Mafia, since I'd rather not have can of worms opened up.

    Maybe an old professor who is ex-KGB? If we know of someone like that, or one of our contacts knows of someone like that, then I'd prefer that.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:30 No.17681626
    This. This is our free action.

    And I can only assume that this thread was warped over to /k/, because the military jargon is starting to get to me. It's important that we have an established military, but I feel like we're jumping up and down too much over the rebels. For the force name, I'd say go with >>17680373 and just make the the Zanzi Marine Corps.

    Integrate the tribals into our military, have the mercs keep tabs on the rebels, pull the USA plot for the Iran deal, then switch focus back to agriculture, education and harvesting our natural resources.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:34 No.17681665
    The thing about ex-KGB is that the russian government is going to be all up in our business about it in a very official and public way.

    If we recruit from the criminal world, it would be bad for Russia to get involved because we could just spin a story about the russian government supporting criminal elements that undermine our country. You know, if it comes to that. On top of that, as soon as you let the KGB in they're going to keep wanting to be involved forever.

    Of course, Russia will want some sort of kickback from all this, but that's going to be the case regardless of ex-KGB or ex-mob. So going KGB imho introduces no benefits and greater risks to our world-public image.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:34 No.17681666
    Actually, yeah, something like this is more reliable.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:36 No.17681675
    The problem with the rebels is that we need to keep them from becoming a more expensive problem.
    They're obviously getting military equipment from somewhere, and all of our civil projects will be set back months if not years if we get bogged down in a civil war.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:36 No.17681677
    for name I say Zanzi Strike Corps.

    Stil a profesional name while not going into Ape-the-US/UK territory

    Because they are not fucking MARINES ! since they dont deploy via BOAT! they are shock or storm or assault infantry but not marines!

    I say we buy the first APCs and have them called the 1st Motor Rifle Division, since we are russian backed.

    thus no marines until we have a fucking navy. Else you look like a tinpot dictator.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:39 No.17681697
    And one last thing:

    If we have to pull the plug and publicly dispose of this russian, Russia itself is going to be right pissed that we're incarcerating/executing ex-KGB. They likely won't give a shit about us killing off an old mobster, hell it's one less problem for them to deal with
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:43 No.17681724
    >If we recruit from the criminal world, it would be bad for Russia to get involved because we could just spin a story about the russian government supporting criminal elements that undermine our country
    That doesn't make sense.
    The Russian government would investigate and show that it was someone we knew that invited in the Russian Mafia and then where would we be? How exactly would we be able to spin a story that it was the Russian government that introduced the criminal element to our nation?

    All of your arguments against the KGB can be applied to the Russian Mafia.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:46 No.17681755
    Oh, and as if the Russian Mob wouldn't react the same way if we go the criminal route? They'd retaliate with assassinations, extortion, and blackmail.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:49 No.17681791
    lets go with exKGB.
    More professional, more knowledgable and we are rusofriendly.

    getting the mob is like a open invitation for stupid shit.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)10:53 No.17681820
    Alright, you got a point about us not having a navy, so calling them Marines is little premature.
    >> MARCH 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)10:55 No.17681838
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    Related. A must watch.


    -Ghana force sitrep. They do have a minor airforce...but our to-be Mig-29s are SIGNIFICANTLY outclassing 90% of their airforce. Our armed forces are on the foot.

    -Liberian Sitrep, they are smaller than us but backed by US equipment and politically...

    -Ivory coast is a mess as expected. With various Nations in the UN there to continue peace keeping. (Just use Wiki for data..im basing it on immediate future and I really doubt Ghana or someone would suddenly have T-90s and a fleet of Flankers.)

    -Refinery takes time to build. Progress is unhindered. (I can't post everything. If its unposted, assume things are alright. Including finances.)

    -Iran's aircraft are en-route. Trade accepted.

    -Tribals will accept cattle and crops for payment.

    -A team of BBC natural journalists wish to visit the depths of the jungle in search of a rare monkey.

    -No feedback on submarine from US or China. Russia says not theirs.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:03 No.17681913
    Clear jungle and start up a gold mine.

    Stay amicable, keep the door open for integration, but don't be pushy.

    >BBC Journalists
    Warn them that there are hostile rebels in the area, that we've lost soldiers in the region. We can provide a military escort (Pathfinders) but that the Republic of Zanzi can in no way guarantee their safety. Once they sign the waivers, they can be on their way.

    >Free Action
    Go through our Russian contacts. Look for someone with prior Intelligence Agency experience, preferably old professor, and invite them to help us start a counter-intelligence agency.

    Get some proposals from Russia, Israel, and South Africa for light IFV's. See who can give us a good deal.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:04 No.17681923

    Continue trade with the tribals

    Allow BBC in. Offer some soldiers with some tribal scouts for escort and familiarity with the ground. Emphasis the risk that they undertake due to the rebels in the jungle.

    Also... please tell me we did not buy those fucking tomcats
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:04 No.17681926

    >A team of BBC natural journalists wish to visit the depths of the jungle in search of a rare monkey.
    - Strongly recommend against it due to the rebels but give them a promise that as soon as the rebels are cleard out they are more than welcome to visit our beautiful vilderness.

    >No feedback on submarine from US or China. Russia says not theirs.
    - Not much we can do about this right now. We can't build up the army, airforce and navy at the same time. Hell my guess is that we can barely afford to build a army if we are to do anything for our people at a large scale.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:06 No.17681944

    Also make preperation to start mining for gold
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:09 No.17681971
    >please tell me we did not buy those fucking tomcats
    I should hope not. We only wanted the Frogfoots and the Mig-29's.
    We were only going to buy the F-14's if the US was going to pay us to take custody of them or something. But since they didn't seem interested, I hope we passed on the Tomcats.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:09 No.17681982
    That is one of the best adverts I have ever seen.
    >> Laurentius 01/26/12(Thu)11:13 No.17682022
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:15 No.17682035
    Tell them you are against anyone buy military personnel going into the jungle.

    If they insist on going, write a signed permit that they can show to the PMCs if they find them and send some soldiers with them, just in case.

    Tell the soldiers their mission is to defend the reporters with their lives, but if they see that a situation is hopeless, they have to kill them to prevent filtering of information about our advances.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:18 No.17682061
    Should we start up a fast-food chain?
    "Garawa's. Come for the fried chicken, stay for the yams."
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)11:33 No.17682177
    >> APRIL 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)11:50 No.17682336
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    -Iranian Migs and SU-25s have arrived. We did not order the Tom Cats.

    -Russia says they can sell us BMP-2s... 20 BMP-2s are offered. Along with the necessary gear to keep them functional, and some basic training.

    -South Africa does not wish to deal with us.
    -Israel does not wish to sell us armor.

    -Gold Mine construction & clearing has begun. Operational output in a few months will begin.

    -Highway making good progress.

    -Burkina, our northern neighbor, has two Hinds. They were sighted patrolling our border - but on their lands. PMC did not engage.

    -Our people want Ice Cream! Current source is imported and costly. Producing it ourselves would make jobs...but set back construction on some city projects to make a state Ice Cream Factory.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)11:56 No.17682417
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    (Awesome looking quest, thanks for running it!)

    -Get dem BMP-2's

    -Ice Cream for the people!

    -Try and figure out what our neighbors Hind's were looking for near the borde.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)11:59 No.17682446
    That, is a sexy photo.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:00 No.17682463
    why would we build a state run ice cream factory? Let some enterprising civilian start one up.

    Hell, cattle are a sign of wealth in africa, I'm sure some guy can figure out how to make a fucking boatload of cash off a dairy.

    Rather than fully fund/support it, why don't we offer partial government subsidization for any food related industry projects in the civilian sector. Should encourage infrastructure growth and create jobs that we don't have to foot the bill to support. And get them ice cream.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:01 No.17682481
    Even BMP-2's are expensive for our small economy, and might be overkill.
    Counter-offer with 10 BTR-80's and 5 BMP-2's.
    It's too bad South Africa doesn't want to sell to us, but at least we tried.

    Nothing for now. It could have just been a show of force, considering our rapid increase in military spending.

    >Ice Cream
    The set-backs are painful, but this will create jobs, which is a big plus.
    Build the state-owned Ice Cream Factory, and encourage people to eat in moderation.

    >Free Action
    Any progress on the ex-KGB professor?
    Continue on working on our intelligence agency.
    If it's already being worked on, then focus on agriculture again, as the planting season is upon us.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)12:03 No.17682497
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    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:07 No.17682541
    I suppose that encouraging civilian entrepreneurship is a good thing in the long run, as it can lead to economic growth.
    So offer government subsidies and tax breaks to whoever starts up ice cream factories and dairies?
    Then we can concentrate on roads and electrical grids.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)12:18 No.17682646
    Very true...

    SO if I understand right, you mentlegen wish to encourage capitalism in a sense?
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    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:23 No.17682707
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    any way to jump in with a resurgent white settler minority neighboring country? ala-Republic AK-47?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:24 No.17682725
    I believe we're more socialist, maybe planned economy. Certain industries and businesses will be government-controlled. We will provide incentives for native entrepreneurs to start up businesses and create jobs in other, non-critical industries.

    So power, sewage, and roads are government-controlled. Ice cream factories are civilian-owned with government incentives because our citizens want it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:25 No.17682729
    I think Ice Cream should wait until we have the transportation infrastructure and gold exports to handle it...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:27 No.17682747
    In short, encourage capitalism in a sense.
    We're a business major, after all.

    But none of that shit that the US was doing with sub-prime loans and stuff. We're about stability and sound investments, not making a quick profit.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:29 No.17682779
    lets offer a non refundable aid a la European SAPARD or PHARE, to those in agriculture and buisness development , a 50% aid after they start it. or something like that, that can;t be scammed away from us and
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:39 No.17682871

    By the way, if we're getting pressured by Hinds in the area, is anyone willing to sell us some shoulder mounted missile systems? We could approach smugglers, maybe the Israelis, Russians, hell maybe the Americans...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:40 No.17682885
    for the ice cream... we should import some of those older hand ice cream makers and sell them to parts of our country without power for CHEAP (a loss to the government).

    for the areas that have power (cities?) we should import some smaller scale modern ice cream makers and sell them at a loss as well.

    end goal:
    ability of most areas to have ice cream (even tribes?) as a special treat, while the cities start having local ice cream shops (that can later grow on their own!)
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)12:43 No.17682903
    I keep trying to type my reply...but boss is hovering...he NEVER hovers...sigh.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:44 No.17682923

    he needs those TPS reports, damn it
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:45 No.17682931
    don;t rush. wait till you get home.

    dont want you to get fired and end the quest.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:46 No.17682943
    I think it's time for an Office Junta.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)12:48 No.17682961
    It's just 2 Hinds, and they stayed on their side of the border.
    They would be FUCKED if we sent in our Migs, or told the PMC's to engage.
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    So Grand Leader OP, no Rhodesia 2012? Imagine the fun infighting, and what a politically correct nation for your dictator to launch a noble war against? Its just a bunch of ex colonial white dudes, with nobody but... nobody to sell them weapons. Executive Outcomes/Sandline bought a state.
    >> MAY 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)12:55 No.17683027
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    -Your movement to encourage your population in making new businesses has worked! Three Dairy companies have been formed from a few community farms outside your capital and another north near Tropicstan. They are investing/inventing ice cream making machinery. The UN has sent specialists to teach them about pasteurization.

    -Strela 2s have been offered by the PMC. They can get our troops a small cache, to allow portable manpower.

    -Ghana has reportable acquired military hardware from China.

    -Gold Mine! Another vein has been found elsewhere inland, near the mountains and jungles!

    -Russian vessels have arrived and are probing the off-shore oil. The refinery is well underway now too.

    -In fact, our contacts have found us an Ex-KGB agent to bring in. He has agreed to help us build our own intelligence agency and teach officers how to be better officers for a price...he wants land for a private mansion built over looking the ocean, along with a private one plane airstrip.

    -WORLD NEWS! Tensions with Iran are on the rise in the middle east. Oil prices sky rocket.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:06 No.17683145
    >PMC Strela-2's
    As long as it's not too expensive, purchase the cache.

    Not much.

    >Gold Mine
    Begin making plans to set up another mine. We'll begin work on it when the first mine begins production.

    Alright, give him what he wants. But no funny business with the plane.

    >Free Action
    Buy a pair of small coastal patrol boats for our Coast Guard. We need to help ensure the safety of the Russian oil workers and the oil rig. With oil prices rising, we stand to make more money.

    Dealing with the rebels will need to wait until we get those IFV's.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:07 No.17683174
    >(I can't post everything. If its unposted, assume things are alright. Including finances.)
    Yeah, I understand that. Just wanted to make sure.

    On a related note, this is the first "quest" I've monitored or contributed to, and I want t thank you for running it. You truly are an elegan/tg/ent.
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    I like this style of quest thread OP. Good on you.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:10 No.17683208

    Sure, it's two Hinds NOW, but do we know how many more they have available? I vote we take the Strela 2's for good measure.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:11 No.17683221

    Once we get our intel network in order, use them to spy on Ghana, I'd like to know what this hardware is, where it is, and what they're using it for.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:12 No.17683241
    KGB guy-

    I say we accept. Have him visit and find 3 locations he likes, and we'll negotiate from there?

    Question: What does our Navy/Coast Guard consist of? Fishing vessels?
    See if Russia/USA/China/etc are looking to get rid of an old destroyer or two. (or if they plan to decommission them in the near future)
    use them as anti-pirate and SAR vessels.

    also look into getting our hands on some cheap radio equipment for fishing boats if they lack them, and perhaps training for the captains of such boats?
    (improved safety!)
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:15 No.17683279

    Yeah, 2 Hinds is all they have.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:20 No.17683332
    Accept his offer
    >Free action
    I'll propose we start studying the viability of a railway connecting Port Liberty with the gold-producing zone and the other major population centers. This will hopefully improved commerce by making distant shorter, and bring development to cities and villages along the train-rail, connecting them with the main economic centers in a quick way
    >> 風林火山 01/26/12(Thu)13:24 No.17683383

    Ghana: Big sales leave traces. Check in with the various mil defence news websites. We should be able to get some sort of idea of the hardware sold.

    Gold: Secure the site, what kind of ecological impact are we looking at when we exploit this site?

    Give the agent what he wants.

    Iran: What kind of oil price rise are we looking at? Nows a good time to better relations with the major powers by offering our oil supply. Hint that we might supply oil for more aid/funds/whatnots. See who comes courting our supply.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:25 No.17683392
    >Your movement to encourage your population in making new businesses has worked! Three Dairy companies have been formed from a few community farms outside your capital and another north near Tropicstan. They are investing/inventing ice cream making machinery. The UN has sent specialists to teach them about pasteurization.
    Wonderful. Publicly praise the UN - good publisicty for them, good publisicty for them and hopefully sweetened relations (no pun intended).

    >Strela 2s have been offered by the PMC. They can get our troops a small cache, to allow portable manpower.
    I wouldn't worry too much about this. If they're bargin bucket cheap sure, but as has already been mentioned it was almost certainly just a show of force (and one that our new MIGs could crush once our piolts are trained).

    >Ghana has reportable acquired military hardware from China.
    Good for them. I'm sure Russia has noticed this too.

    >Gold Mine! Another vein has been found elsewhere inland, near the mountains and jungles!
    Excellent. Make a note - personally I wouldn't plunder this just yet (especially until the map is up [take your time OP, I know how horrendous that can be]) but I won;t protest if the majority thinks it could be put to use.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:25 No.17683395
    I support the railroad idea, we could use gold to finance it.
    >> MAY 2013 - MILITARY REPORT Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:27 No.17683421
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    Zanzian Army
    -7,253 men
    -TAR-21 Primary Combat Weapon
    -Limited ATM and MANPAD (Anti tank and anti air) weapons

    Zanzian Airforce
    9 Fighter pilots
    1 Helicopter pilot
    27 Trainees
    -4 Mig-29s (Best fighters in region...)
    -3 SU-25 (Best anti-ground in region...)
    -2 Mil Mi-2 (trans helo)
    -6 Cessna 172 (Scout/Personel Transport..civy craft.)
    -1 Mi-24 Hind D

    Advisors: The Mig-29s and Su-25s were "over kill" but guarantees our security and power. We have enough to fend of the lower quality air frames of our neighbors, and make more technologically advanced nations think twice.

    Whats a navy?

    Coast Guard
    23 Boats mounted with whatever weapons we had laying around. They double as fishing boats.
    1 freighter for local shipping, armed with a 20mm Bofors from WW2.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:30 No.17683451


    >Russian vessels have arrived and are probing the off-shore oil. The refinery is well underway now too.
    Good show. In accordance with international safety standards I hope?

    >In fact, our contacts have found us an Ex-KGB agent to bring in. He has agreed to help us build our own intelligence agency and teach officers how to be better officers for a price...he wants land for a private mansion built over looking the ocean, along with a private one plane airstrip.
    This is important - haggle as much as possible. A mansion I think we could spring for, but certainly not an airstrip. If he's on good terms with his ex employers I'm *sure* they'd allow him to use the military strip. In any case, building up our intelligence assets should be a priority (second only to our national infrastructure), but we don't want to tip our hand yet.

    >WORLD NEWS! Tensions with Iran are on the rise in the middle east. Oil prices sky rocket.
    Rub our hands and wait for our refinary. Did we go ahead with the UN/Iran plot? Or just accept the deal quietly?

    >Free action/Other news
    Lets start diplomacy with our neighbours. We've barely even recognised they exist yet. Train some ambassadors, even go so far as to offer aid and troops perhaps. We are, after all, building up our military to a rather large degree, and we don;t want to seem the agressors. If technology permits, send a few of our valued medical proffessionals to begin teaching in their hospitals. Maybe even go so far as to spare an officer or two from our paltry army. If we are to be a shining beacon of hope, we want our neighbours to be likewise inclined.

    Other than that, what news of the rebels? How do the people view them - freedom fighters or terrorists?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:30 No.17683455
    Its unacceptable that we have less than 40.000 men in our armed forces. we will need this much at least. Ideal would be 100.000. See this retified
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:34 No.17683486

    >CHAir Force has NO training aircraft


    Gentlemen, we need trainers and jet trainers.

    I for one will decimate the fools if we lose a fulcrum or frogfoot to a trainee mistake.

    Are the soldiers from the UN divisions reformed into a seperate unit? Assign the HIND to their unit and have them act as an instructional unit to train the remainder of our army.

    Our Navy really is on the backburner. Hopefully the russians will get nervous and send in some of their own or offer to train/outfit ours.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)13:34 No.17683489
    OP here, going to lunch.


    This was me. I forgot to put my name tag back in. Posting in /k/ and /tg/ - I don't like to name fag...so yeah. My bad.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:34 No.17683491
    >Whats a navy?

    >Coast Guard
    >23 Boats mounted with whatever weapons we had >laying around. They double as fishing boats.
    >1 freighter for local shipping, armed with a 20mm >Bofors from WW2.

    Whatever happened to the (potentially Gahnian supplied and supported) pirates? Have they disappeared or are they still harrasing our fishermen? In either case I would like to have at least *one* navy unit, even if it's simply an amphibious infantry squad.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:38 No.17683528
    Ghana asking for a highway between our two capitols should be seen as a potential MAJOR red flag. What that is is a tank highway.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:40 No.17683548

    It is also a shooting gallery for our frogfoots and hind.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:42 No.17683577
    Its also a predictable line of attack.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:44 No.17683599

    those Cessna 172s are GREAT trainer aircraft for pilots, but what we need is a lighter jet trainer to transition to the advanced jets.

    What about a few F5s or older migs for jet trainers?

    on to the Navy/Coast Guard, we should pull a Sea Shepherd and look into buying some old whaling or fishing vessels and then refit them as Coast Guard response vessels! (bolt a few dozen bofors on their decks!) We'll have sea technicals!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:44 No.17683600
    However, we have to be one hundred percent sure we can hold our own. If we're invaded by our neighbour, very few people in the West will care. One tinpot dictator invades another, who cares? (Yes, I realise this is not the case on either front but that might well be how it is percieved). We need to project our image far and wide, or carry a bloody big stick. I would advocate a diplomatic mission or envoy to our surrounding nations.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:50 No.17683663

    Maybe we should talk at the UN. Give a big speech about the end of failed state after failed state. Announce our intention to modernize. That sort of thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:50 No.17683672
    I suggest at least 1 trainer Mig-21, or a Cessna Dragonfly.

    We have enough infantry and air force for now, and the navy and Coast Guard will have to be on the backburner.

    Once the Pathfinders are ready, let's have them begin checking out the rebel's jungle base.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:53 No.17683700
    S'a good idea, but in the end, speeches count for bugger all. People will assume we're yet another failed state bullshitting them all and bangining on about our "national pride". I like the idea of the medical or engineering our reach programs but we're far too short on both specialised personel to risk it. Millitary officers, perhaps, but do we really want to train our neighbours at killing us. Plus the West might view it with....well, if not suspicion, concern. Perhaps some sort of agricultural or telecommunication outreach, or yeah, training diplomatic envoys.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)13:55 No.17683718
    another option might be a few T-38 trainers

    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)14:04 No.17683820
    32 oz milkshake vs chipped tooth with exposed nerves.

    Who will win!

    Anyways calculating next turn.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:04 No.17683826
    Talk is cheap. Our image is that of a pissant African nation, and likely won't change for a while.

    Diplomatic missions might help, but that's a crapshoot. Ivory Coast is a mess, Ghana may or may not be getting ready for a military action against us, and Burkina is suspicious of us.

    Yeah, the T-38's are affordable. But so are MiG-21 trainers, and we were talking before about expanding our air force with MiG-21's when we have the need, meaning less problems when pilots switch from training to actually flying. Also our close relationship with Russia might mean a discount.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:14 No.17683918
    Our economy and industry are still fragile and unstable, and can't afford sending foreign aid. Our medical professionals are all needed in our country, and our engineers are needed in building our national infrastructure.

    Our troops need to stay within our borders because of the rebels having a well-equipped jungle base, and the fact that we don't know who of our neighbors is supporting them.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:20 No.17683978
    We really just need to have something like a top-secret defense underneath the highway in case of major attack along its route. Ghanese tanks roll over, detonate several tons of dynamite (With it being built structurally sound enough to only collapse if there are explosives.) No more highway. No more tanks.
    That's of course only if our airforce doesn't take care of the problem anyway.
    Artillery aimed at the highway could work too, but might scare people a bit too much.
    >Iran relations with world getting even more terrible
    Did we ever contact the US about the f14 deal? It really could be a big boon to our US relations.
    I think we should look around for some ww2 era destroyers for submarine interdiction. Nothing expensive, but enough to be able to say that we have a navy.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:22 No.17683996
    And therin lies the problem. Why do we assume our neighbours are supporting them? Personally I'd be content to live our our entier therm and not take over another soverign nation by force (or otherwise). I don't want this to become a game of Civ V where we *could* win through Science or Culture, struggling to improve the lives of our people at the same time as remaning within our own borders, while simply steamrolling everyone with our superior military is just...easier. Why must our neighbours hate us? Can't they look upon us as an inspiration? Or even as peers?

    Cynical rant aside, I reccomend both diplomacy (particularly towards the more "stable" African nations) and intelligaence assets (filthy dirty spies) concurrently. Even if our field agents aren't MI6/CIA/KGB material, I doubt Ghana or the rest of our neighbours have dedicated spy catching departments. Do they?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:23 No.17684005
    >Our troops need to stay within our borders
    It's better that we have some troops in warzones training and making a name for our military. If the UN still has peacekeeping forces in Cote d'Ivoire, offer to send a peacekeeping force.
    Would our CAS planes be able to take out the anti-air from a distance, or what? Do we have land based artillery we could move within range?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:24 No.17684014
    Are you fucking kidding me? Dynamite? under a civilian road? Jeez dude, we're going for benevolence here!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:25 No.17684027
    Dynamite is benevolent as could be! We'd win a Nobel prize.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)14:26 No.17684044

    How does Russia feel about Iran?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:27 No.17684053

    Pathfinders to scout the target with TV missiles should be able to do the trick.

    Otherwise, its artillery that will finish off that pesky ack-ack.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:30 No.17684085
    Infantry mounted mortars would count for this right? Might be worth investing in, they're priceless as far as Jungle warfare goes, from what I understand (which, admittedly isn't much). But if we're going to be engaged in this theatre for a while...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:32 No.17684102

    Hmm... Technicals...

    Some good ol' Stalin's Organs?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:32 No.17684114
    So you completely missed the foreign plane that was detected several months ago, and how after it dropped off its cargo the rebels now have anti-air defenses ringing their base?
    Or that it was a Ghanian corporation that was funding the pirates that were preying in our waters?

    The UN said that it doesn't need more peacekeepers when they returned our first group.
    We also don't have artillery. Look at our military report >>17683421
    >> JUNE 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)14:34 No.17684132
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    -Russian rigs are to safety standards, assures relations officer Dimitri.

    -Ghana highway is making good progress.

    -We will look for some source for training jets. Advisers recommend building a primary air force of cheaper, more easily maintained jets. Like Mig-21s.

    -KGB guy has found a spot and agreed to the deal. He will begin training and organization right away.

    -Pirates have been occasionally spotted but avoid our boats in fear of guns. Since we manned our fishing vessels with guns, they assume everything is armed possibly. For now things are quiet.

    -WORLD NEWS! A cargo ship was halted outside of Miami Port. A tactical device may have been on board. Majority of damage limited to waterway with all immediate ships damaged. Suitcase Weapon suspected, one of the "Missing Bombs" theorized by CIA. Iran is to blame. 200 missing, 4,000+ injured by burns, 79 dead.

    -Ivory Coast civil war heightens as UN Forces withdraw from the nation for relief efforts and peace keeping elsewhere.
    >> JUNE 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)14:36 No.17684160
    Amendment. Iran is being blamed by the US Govt. Not that they are taking responsibility.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:38 No.17684169
    >So you completely missed the foreign plane that was detected several months ago

    No? What has that got to do with our neighbours? Rebels can afford planes too, through drug smuggling, blackmail, any number of means.

    >Or that it was a Ghanian corporation that was funding the pirates that were preying in our waters?
    Again, not a nation, a blood sucking corporation.

    In any case, you misunderstand me. I'm not suggesting that our neighbours be above suspicion. I'm merely lamenting that the only contact we've had with our Eastern Frontier is threats to deal with a pirate insurgencey, and from our Western Frontier, an arial sortie. We've immediately viewed our neighbours with hostility and suspicion, as have they with us. I say we be the "Bigger" nation and send them an ambassador. Hell, even simple offering a trade agreement would be a good enough start so they don;t simply think we are another tinpot dictator ripe for the push-over. You catch my jive, brother?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:40 No.17684195
    >Iran is being blamed by the US Govt.
    Did we go through with our plan to "set them up the bomb"? I'm assuming not, as there was no mention of it (in which case, don't waste your time replying to this post). However, if we did, we need to be wary for this was very possibly caused indirectly by us.
    >> JUNE 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)14:42 No.17684205
    We did not inform them of anything. Many posters said playing with fire gets us burnt.
    >> 風林火山 01/26/12(Thu)14:42 No.17684213

    Training aircraft:
    Source about for surplus T-37 trainers. If we intent to get the Dragonfly, cross maintenance and transition will be easier and faster due to the similarity of the airframes.

    MIG-21s, contact Russia if they're willing to sell us upgraded MIG-21s. Or source from India.

    Ivory Coast situation:

    Deploy some units along the border to Ivory Coast. Should we turn back refugee traffic or accept them? In any case we need the units incase the conflict spills over. Residents of small settlements near the border should be advised to evacuate. If the situation detoriates further, we might have to make it mandatory.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:42 No.17684216
    >Russian Rigs
    Take Dmitri aside.
    "Tovarisch, be honest. Is there anything that we can do to help make the rig safer? Zanzi will pay for any safety upgrades you think would help. With Iran making a mess of things, oil prices will stay high, and we cannot afford to have any accidents with this operation. Do you understand, tovarisch?"

    >Advisors say get MiG-21's
    Agree with the advisors. See if we can get one or two MiG-21 trainers.

    >Ivory Coast
    Increase patrols along the Ivory Coast border.
    Now that the UN pulled out, we shouldn't get involved in a civil war.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:45 No.17684246
    Ensure that it's easily defendable
    Lodge a massive complaint at the UN for withdrawing their peacekeeping forces from our neighbor.
    >World News
    Offer our condolences to America, along with foreign aid (Just because they won't take it)
    work on getting some more mortars for an attack on the rebel base
    Do we have proper irrigation? We could build irrigation ditches because everybody loves irrigation ditches.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:46 No.17684258
    I would actually say that if we're going to go with MiG-21's then we should drop the T-38's and go straight to MiG-21 Trainers. It will also streamline our logistical situation by reducing the range of parts we have to keep in stock.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:46 No.17684259
    This. A million times this. Particularly talking to our droog Dmitri.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:47 No.17684265
    Keep a lookout on the boarder with Ivory Coast and on the highway construction site.

    Contact the US about Iran's F-14 offers.

    How is the Thorium reactor coming along? How soon can we expect it to be operating?

    Free action: invest in our medical system, if we want to be a modernized nation we need decent healthcare.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:48 No.17684270

    We could always invade the Ivory Coast for fear of destabilization in the region. Throw out some diplomatic test baloons.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:50 No.17684290
    I really still think that at least contacting the US about the potential offer would have been a good idea, personally, but I guess it's too late.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:50 No.17684293
    I agree with offering condolences to America for their loss.
    Of course, whoever did this is completely fucked. I mean, really? A nuke attack against a First World nation?

    Infantry-portable mortars are definitely needed for our attack on the rebel base.
    We need Pathfinders on the ground, though, to let us know what is going in and out of that base.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:51 No.17684296

    Good point. Lets go with that.


    We never bought the F-14s. That part is over.


    Thats does not seem wise. Our military is barely starting to come together.

    OP, how are our Civil Defence Corps? Police, Fire fighting and the judiciary.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:52 No.17684304
    >Offer our condolences to America, along with foreign aid (Just because they won't take it)

    Hahahah! I love this! Some "despotic dictator" offering aid to the imperial west. Lets do it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)14:55 No.17684344

    >We never bought the F-14s. That part is over.
    The way I see it, there's no point to wasting a potential plot hook, though it won't make much of a difference at this point.

    I agree with complaining to the UN about withdrawing, and also taking in refugees.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:02 No.17684419
    Refugees? All I see are people who need a job, and us needing lots of new workers for construction projects like a new irrigation system, roads, a national electrical grid, national broadcast towers, and sewers and sewage treatment plants.
    Give them a shovel, 3 meals a day, a tent, a cot, and tell them to start digging.

    Other nations see refugees as a drain on resources. I say we should look at refugees as cheap labor.
    Everyone works, everyone eats.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:11 No.17684521
    >OP, how are our Civil Defence Corps? Police, Fire fighting and the judiciary.

    Seconded. Plot hooks ahoy!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:13 No.17684551
    Saw your home burn up in civil war?
    Chased by murderous rebels?
    Lost everything in your flight to escape a war-torn country?

    Stop your whining and deal with it.
    The Republic of Zanzi will give you a job, government provided housing, 3 meals a day, and a salary.

    The Republic of Zanzi: Deal with it.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:14 No.17684574

    I think we've found our new national motto.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)15:15 No.17684585
    Might be a bad idea. Could put us in the category of a belligerent nation, would be a hard image to shake. Also leave us weak if Ghana got any bright ideas

    Maybe talk with Russians, US or British, see if they have 1 or 2 WII era frigates mothballed they would like to get rid of

    > Ambassadors
    This is a good idea, use them for info on surrounding nations. Also, are we in the AU yet? If not we could send some diplomats.

    A force of about 10 Attack helicopters should suffice. We should look to getting some Transport Choppers for quick transport in and out of jungle. Also should set up helicopter training school, or possibly sent some recruiter to a civilian training school outside the country?
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)15:18 No.17684617
    Fucking hell. met to say "sent some recruits"
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:21 No.17684662

    We have a single hind and 2 transport helos. Our neighbour was only sighted with 2 hinds.

    Getting 10 attack choppers will be massive overkill. We don't have enough pilots or aircraft to even need a school.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:21 No.17684666
    Bad idea to take care of rebels that have essentially set up a military base with SAM's within our sovereign territory?
    Can we really afford to wait until they strike first?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:26 No.17684733
    Yeah, I don't get at all how it can be considered a bad idea. We have rebels to deal with.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)15:27 No.17684744
    I thought we were still looking to get the BPM-2? Anyways im not so worried about the air force. Having 5 or 6 Huey type transports laying around wouldn't be suck a bad thing though

    Hey Grand Leader, what kind of ordinance do we have on those MIGs and frogfoots?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:29 No.17684769
    Not that we need to but we could always pull some bullshit fake "attacks" on a bus full of refugees and claim it was the rebels to give us a reason.

    That's merely thinking out loud though - its morrally bankrupt, we'd be found out and roasted alive, and we don't need a goddamn reason. Can you imagine if some guys in France set up a mobile SAM site in a forest? They would be riddled with bullets in a matter of hours. And we've left it _months_
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:32 No.17684805

    It is high time we dealt with them.

    Perhaps a supersonic attack pass by our MIGs with unguided bombs before we send in our ground pounders with hind and frogfoot support.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:35 No.17684848
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Can we put out some feelers of popular sentiment towards the rebels?

    If they're hailed as the uplifting revolutionaries bringing liberty to the people, we've got huge problems. HUGE.

    However, if people think of them as insurgents and terrrorists, if they're SCARED of them, well that we can work with. Offer amnesty and coincide this with a supersonic flyby.

    Its even more urgent that we find out if there's a nationstate backing them. I doubt our FSB/KGB man has had time to train an intelligence service yet so we might need to outsource this. Which means we need to be VERY careful where we tread. Thoughts?
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)15:38 No.17684882
    Sorry about that. I meant to respond to the guy wanting to invade Ivory Coast. I assume we are working on a plan to get the Rebels. Maybe wait until Intel Agency is up and running, find out who is backing these bastards, and if they have any other groups within our borders. I'm thinking make an example of these jackasses
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:39 No.17684892
    We already offered amnesty to the rebels; it was one of the first things we did.
    They just moved further into the jungles in response.

    We could ask Russia if it knows of anyone that might be funding the rebels. There aren't any PMC's that deal in national intelligence, as far as I'm aware.
    >> JULY 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)15:42 No.17684935
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    -Ivory Coast Borders secured by moving troops into regions of patrol. Some minor conflict has occurred but no casualties from either side.

    -Russia has a Krivak class frigate for lend-lease, eventual purchase options available.

    -Gold Mine 2 is safe and secure, Gold Mine 1 is now producing.

    -Railroad system would be plausible and easy to maintain and within our budget.

    -Ghana has finished their end of the highway. Our end is finished as well. Final touches, it should open next month. Guards from both nations have set up on border duty, as to be expected and as we ordered.

    -First Oil Rig is being set up off coast, after having been towed in from abroad.

    -Russia would be willing to sell us Mig-22

    -Civil Defense is of "acceptable" to "poor" condition. The best in our capital city...little if any in the boondocks.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:43 No.17684947
    We did, but that was before we could share the bejeezus out of them with MIGs. A lot of the tactical capacity of CAS is in shock and awe tactics. Your enemy is a lot more willing to fight you if he thinks he can melt into the jungle. And a lot less so when a sonic boom goes off above him.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:47 No.17685008

    Alright, enough working on our army. Now we need to help the people in their day-to-day lives. Bigger police force - trained with tasers, batons, and handguns (but told not to use these unless threatened). Increase the penalties for taking bribes (to increase effectiveness of police force), and make sure there's some oversight for these guys.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:49 No.17685027
    >The design started in the late 1950s and matured as an anti-submarine ship in the 1960s

    Oh man, the temptation to drop depth charges on that sub if we ever see it again would be just too much...

    Sillyness aside, I'm in two minds about this. Obviously we need to expand our military capability to encompass all theatres, espically our own coastland (after all, those pirates are sure to make a comeback if things remain quiet for long).

    But on the other hand, can a single frigate really make much of a difference? It can;t be everywhere at once after all. Do we instead wait until we're self-sufficient enough to purchase in bulk? Or do we buy one to begin training our Navy, if nothing else.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)15:59 No.17685140
    Ivory Coast: Perhaps we should offer to accept refugees, if we haven't already.

    Russia: I think we should hold off for now.

    Gold: Excellent. Continue prospecting. Keep a reserve of gold for a rainy day.

    Railroad: Let's do it. See if the UN will help, both with experienced personnel and resources.

    Ghana: Extend our thanks to all the workers from both nations for this magnificent act of cooperation. Put forth our hope that projects such as this will draw us closer to our African brothers.

    Oil Rig: Good. Will the labor be entirely Russian? I'm sure we could contribute some people for training and operations.

    Mig: Let's wait for now.

    Civil Defense: Work on improving it, especially in areas outside our capital.

    Free Action: Encourage entrepreneurship in industries other than dairy and ice cream. Let our people know that we are proud of their progress so far and we believe in them. They have the power to make Zanzi better.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:02 No.17685178
    Lets pay our pressganged worker force the proper rates for their work, baring if the were interned criminals, and offer them a job at the new railroad. Criminals dont get to chose or pay, unless their sentence was up during work and they stayed (of course they stayed. Mr AK47 said they should.)

    Lets per empt any slavery or barbarity or other Soccermom activist issues and bullshit sanctions.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:03 No.17685198
    Not right now, we have inland concerns right now.

    >Gold Mine 2
    Begin ecological impact study in preparation of clearing the surrounding jungle and starting a mine.

    Begin the construction of a railroad to connect the major cities first.

    >Oil Rig
    Has Dmitri told us of any safety upgrades we could pay for?

    Do they mean the MiG-23?
    A little more expensive than the MiG-21. Are they sure they can't get us MiG-21's? the MiG-23 is nearly double the price of a 21.

    >Civil Defense
    Build up police, and begin introducing the rule of law into the boondocks.

    >Free Action
    Send Pathfinders to scout the rebel base.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:04 No.17685205
    Please see >>17673346

    >Russia has come back and offered to build the oil rigs, partially operate them and train your people to operate them. They are also willing to build you refineries. If they can ship home 30%... and the 70% you keep can be sold as you please.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:05 No.17685210
    I thought the work program was already paying them a fair wage.
    If not, yes, we need to make sure that they're compensated for their work.
    And the railroad needs new workers.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:05 No.17685214
    So that would be a yes. Good. It's getting a bit difficult to keep track of everything that's been said.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:06 No.17685217
    i hope mig 21.

    23 is a maintenance hog almost as bitchy as a f14, as a far a 3d world nation is concerned.
    >> JULY 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)16:10 No.17685258
    Mig-21s, my bad. I did not finish that line. Make that "20" Mig-21s, including 4 trainers.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:11 No.17685268
    Get that railroad up, we've been wanting this for a while.

    Begin training a better police force, put measures in place to prevent bribes and corruption.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:13 No.17685282

    What's the status on our Pathfinders, are they able to get some intel on the rebels?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:17 No.17685322

    Don't really wanna nitpick but its important that we know what type of mig-21s we're getting. The upgraded to 3rd gen equiv or the really old lousy shit?
    >> JULY 2013 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)16:19 No.17685339
    Old lousy trainers and fighters...but they are still superior to your neighbors. You could request better.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)16:19 No.17685340
    Hmm.... those are very tempting, as is the Krivak.

    Perhaps if we had a report on our financial situation it might give some of the divisions a little more weight.
    Maybe just a Low to High/ in good shape gauge. Large military purchases could drive it down, and revenue from gold would drive it up every 4 to 6 months? just a thought
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)16:20 No.17685359
    "decisions" gdamned auto correct
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)16:21 No.17685374
    Going to not make a new post till home. Working on our nation map.

    I leave work in 49minutes. I have that long to finish
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)16:34 No.17685499

    I say purchase those. See if Russia will provide instructors to train our own instructors and pilots for the initial transition period.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)16:56 No.17685690
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    Map done as far as I could for today. OMW Home
    >> Andreus Falanum 01/26/12(Thu)17:09 No.17685783
    Blank city is now known as [Insert nickname of Highest in command of Military forces other than us]-grad
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)17:15 No.17685841
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    See you soon op.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)17:34 No.17686091
    We had some suggestions for city names earlier, was that in the last thread?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)17:36 No.17686119
    good thread OP
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)18:10 No.17686558
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    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)18:20 No.17686664
    While this is in a bit of a lull, I was browsing wiki and came across this:

    >Carrier Mortar Tracked Vehicle – This turret-less >version has a 81 mm mortar mounted in the modified >troop compartment. The mortar is fired through an >opening in the hull roof that has two hinged doors. It >has a max. range of 5,000 m and a normal rate of >fire of 6–8 rds/min. There is also a longe-range >version of the mortar. The vehicle carries 108 mortar >rounds and is also fitted with a 7.62 mm machine >gun with 2,350 rounds. Crew: 2+4. The first >prototype was completed in 1997.

    If we want a BMP model and a mortar AND we already have ties with India, this sounds downright perfect.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)18:21 No.17686687
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    We can never have enough mortars!
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)18:27 No.17686757

    Or this awesome baby for flattening areas.

    Lots of BM-21s still lying around. Stalin's Organ still drives fear into enemy soldiers half a century after WW2.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)18:28 No.17686765
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    >4chan eating images...
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)18:31 No.17686797
    Also browsing wiki, trying to find solutions to the peskey rebels. Mortars are a good plan, dunno how far a BMP would make it though.

    I know there was talk of a SpecOps force (mostly of how little need we have for one) and this could be the perfect opportunity. From the wiki regarding the British experience in the Malayan Emergency:

    "In addition to jungle discipline, field craft, and survival skills, special tactics such as combat tracking (first using native trackers), close-quarter fighting (tactics were developed by troopers protected only with fencing masks stalking and shooting each other in the jungle training ground with air rifles), small team operations (which led to the typical four-man special operations teams) and tree jumping (parachuting into the jungle and through the rain forest canopy) were developed from Borneo's Iban native to actively take the war to the Communist guerrillas instead of reacting to incidents initiated by them."

    THe last thing we want to do is start chasing shadows, running into the jungle and have the rebels melt away, only to cut us down later. However, we can easily play them at their own game with tactics as described above.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)18:45 No.17686943
    I'm home...drove by a block buster that was closing, had to get me some things...

    >> Laurentius 01/26/12(Thu)18:47 No.17686968
    I like this. Also, we need to join the AU after we deal with the rebels
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)18:50 No.17687004

    This. It's a sign of goodwill.

    Also, just out of curiosity, how's Egypt doing? They COULD be trying to sell a lot of that sweet, sweet American military tech.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)19:15 No.17687241
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    Pic related.
    >> AUGUST 2014 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)19:16 No.17687260
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    I made a mistake, all the "2013s" in this thread post January should be "2014s"


    -India has been contacted about their vehicles. They would be happy to sell us a number of them, how many do we need...leader? The Sarath is a BMP-2 licensed variant. There is indeed a mortar version...

    -Reactor is coming online next month. Bringing clean power to our capital!

    -Police training has begun at the directive of some of your more experienced and honest lawmen.

    -Our financial situation is better than most in the region due to our new discoveries... About "Middle ground" for a nation of our size, compared world wide though.

    -India does have Ordnance Factory Board's 51mm E1 mortars for sale too, they are british 2 inch ww2 era mortar copies.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:28 No.17687403

    For BMPs.. perhaps 40 of them, with 10 being the Motar variant. Is this a good number? Planes are my strong suit, not armoured vehicles.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:29 No.17687415

    I dunno about that whole India thing, buuuut

    Just out of curiosity, how's Egypt doing? They COULD be trying to sell a lot of that sweet, sweet American military tech.

    Uh, other things to do... What's up with that rebel village?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:30 No.17687426

    Oh, also, African Union. Get all up in that shit.
    >> Sonir !Fxs7dttdok 01/26/12(Thu)19:33 No.17687467

    40 of those neat mortar vehicles.

    Request to join the AU.

    What's the status on the Ivory Coast?
    >> O'Grady 01/26/12(Thu)19:36 No.17687502
    I support >>17687403 for BMPs, although that seems like an awful lot of BMPs, how would that impact us financially?

    I say we start building a major highway between our biggest cities, for ease of travel.

    I also say we buy 100 mortars, they should be pretty cheap.

    Open up negotiations with Liberia about maybe a trade agreement, a military alliance, or some other kind of mutual defense pact. I choose Liberia because allying with them will get us closer to the US.

    Restructure the military to be more in-line with one of the major world power's military structure. Either the US, Russia, or England. Also, put a focus on quality and not quantity.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:38 No.17687541
    At some point, we should take advantage of the instability and take over the Ivory Coast. Bring stability to it. It'll get us some bad rep from the UN but if we can pacify, feed, house, and educate the populace we should be fine.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:39 No.17687544

    >>17687403 here

    It does seem like alot but with 30 normal BMPs, we match the number fielded by Togo and a Botswana fields somewhere in the region of 120 assorted APCs.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)19:43 No.17687612
    Has US bombed Iran back to the stone age yet?

    I think our military is pretty strong, How is the Intel Agency coming

    I also think we should subsidize a fish cannery sense we seem to have a lot of private fishing boats, just overall industry. Anyone have any ideas for jobs or factories we could attract to our country? Perhaps cell phones that we could sell to our neighbors?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:43 No.17687622
    Nah, lets sort out our own infrastructure first. Somebody will inevitably make a move on us, then we can sweep in and be the good guys.

    Also, that sounds like a lot of BMPs and mortars - I'm no /k/ommando, but don;t we have much too small a military to make that viable? And in any case, we don't want to get too focused on jungle combat - the rebels are a problem, but we should be able to deal with them shortly. Then our focus will need to be elsewhere (savanah, plains, desert etc. not to mention air and sea).
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:45 No.17687638

    Also, I think we're hitting the end of this thread soon
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:46 No.17687666
    We're already getting regular BMP's through Russia.
    So let's get 10 of the mortar version of the Sarath.

    >Indian infantry mortar
    100 initial order, with possibility of more down the line.

    Step up security; this would be a great time for the rebels to strike and discredit us.

    Continue our support for Law and Order in our nation.

    We need better. If we don't already have one, begin laying the foundations of a national bank, and a program of small business loans to help foster economic growth.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:48 No.17687697

    Oh shit. Seconding the security thing. All we need is one attack on that place, and we're fucked forever.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:49 No.17687710

    >Too small a military

    You would think that but the Botswana army list shows those APCs plus a further 80 light tanks and 60 armoured cars for a Army strength of 9000 men.

    Frankly, I think our armoured strength is way underpowered in comparison.
    >> AUGUST 2014 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)19:50 No.17687721
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    Pre-empting this bitch, and making a new thread with next movement. Expect link shortly.

    10, 20 minutes tops.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:53 No.17687770
    Also, more and better armor is needed if we want to project the image of a modern military force.
    Also, more armored vehicles, and of higher quality, will let us hit well above our weight class, and let us do more with less men.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:53 No.17687778
    Alright, sounds good. Lets aim for that strength, what with RUssian regulars and the modified Indian mortar variant, to strengthen ties with both nations?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:56 No.17687829
    Bah, this is turning into a gun-wank. How about the ecconomy, engineering, agriculture and all that jazz? How shall we improve that?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)19:57 No.17687838
    >Pact with Libera
    Since we both border Ivory Coast, and the withdrawal of the UN resulted in the fighting getting worse again, working with them to contain the fighting might be a good idea.
    >> Slushed 01/26/12(Thu)19:59 No.17687882
    Perhaps we could make a deal with Russia or India for 5-10 T90s or T-72s. Dose anyone have the numbers on the Indian reactor deal? Do we have any leverage with them from that?
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)20:01 No.17687916
    Agriculture is already being worked on in the background.
    We have civil engineering projects enqueued, such as a new irrigation system, to increase agricultural output as well as improvements to the national transportation network to help with distribution.

    For the economy, we've been encouraging entrepreneurs with tax breaks and other incentives to develop home-grown industries to satisfy our people's needs.

    We need to concentrate so much on the military right now because there's a military base in the jungle, that we have no intel on, we don't know the size of the rebel force, and they've killed enough of our scouts that the message of amnesty should have gotten through to them, and the deaths of our soldiers seemed to be their answer.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/26/12(Thu)20:03 No.17687940
    New thread here.
    Will be making action post after reports.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)20:04 No.17687957
    Let's wait a bit before getting into any tank deals. I think IFV's are sufficient for now.

    As for the reactor, it was to get discounts for future reactors by letting them build this experimental reactor here in our nation.
    >> Anonymous 01/26/12(Thu)20:13 No.17688086
    How are our intel assets coming along? We need to keep tabs both on the (possibly state sponsored) rebels as well as the (possibly state sponsored) pirates.

    Seems to me like we have some big enemies in the shadows.

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