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    335 KB Dictator Quest Part 4 Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)19:33 No.17700394  

    Nation: Republic of Zanzi
    Information: Free Religion! Republic!
    Resources: Average Resources. Specific to come soon.
    Location: West Africa near Ivory Coast. Fictional location. To be mapped.
    Political Ties: Russia is a close friend - when they remember we exist... China has sold/loaned equipment to us before.
    Era: Near Future / Modern. Late 2012.

    Leader: President Negasso Garawa. Also known as "Xavier" - Elected President For Life.
    Race: Black Male
    History: Graduated from Moscow University with a business major. Has contacts within the Russian government.


    Still accepting proposals for flag designs (MSPaint them.) - No offensive flags please. Must 'fit' the logic of a national standard.


    Last thread: >>17687923
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)19:41 No.17700488
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    -Icecream Day boosted moral, even if work was slow. Its an official holiday now, and the people have promised to ask next time...

    -India has been haggled down to an oil discount rather than oil for free in exchange for Wind Farm gear, and a desalination plant.

    -Black Superman has disappeared, general public response is in favor of him.

    -Ivory Coast factions have fully surrendered to Liberia. Ivory Coast has joined Liberia. It is now Liberia. Our neighbor is now Liberia.

    -A C-130 has been identified incoming in airspace. It is not responding to Identification calls from ground. Our Migs have been sent to intercept it. Engage? -This action will be within this month-

    -Its been confirmed by ZIA and KGB that Washington is indeed funding the rebels.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:44 No.17700526
    >C-130 Give three warnings to leave airspace or be shot down
    >Contact Washington and warn them not to interfere in our business.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:44 No.17700528
    orders those migs to shoot a warning and make the c-130 land at our airstrip, if it refuse then have the migs shoot it down.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:45 No.17700534
    >Ivory Coast factions have fully surrendered to Liberia. Ivory Coast has joined Liberia.
    have KGB bro keep a close eye on the Liberians.

    >A C-130 has been identified incoming in airspace. It is not responding to Identification calls from ground. Our Migs have been sent to intercept it. Engage?
    If it refuses to respond engage.

    >Its been confirmed by ZIA and KGB that Washington is indeed funding the rebels.
    Tell the Russians of this development weigh our options and see if this could be used to our advantage.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:45 No.17700538

    In our territory? Not responding to transmissions? Order pilots to force them down, and shoot them down if they fail to comply. Make sure to record all logs of this incident as evidence, if need be.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:47 No.17700551
    >-Ivory Coast factions have fully surrendered to Liberia. Ivory Coast has joined Liberia. It is now Liberia. Our neighbor is now Liberia.
    Contact the UN about this breach of national sovereignty immediately, AU too.
    Warn it, intercept it. Try to take it down without killing the crew if it disobeys.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:47 No.17700552
    >A C-130
    Demand it be escorted to our airstip. Failure to comply or any indication of hostilities will be met with swift and lethal action. This is your only warning
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:49 No.17700572

    >Its been confirmed by ZIA and KGB that Washington is indeed funding the rebels.
    >Tell the Russians of this development weigh our options and see if this could be used to our advantage.

    Uh, if it was confirmed by the KGB, I think its a pretty sure bet that they know already dude
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:50 No.17700579
    Our intelligence guy is an ex KGB agent the Russians wouldn't know unless we told them.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:50 No.17700582
    Intercept the transport and force it to land. Follow all international procedures.

    >US funding rebels
    Forward the evidence to WikiLeaks via ZIA operative. Let the world know the US is funding terrorists.
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)19:50 No.17700595
    C-130 is not turning, it is making for the forest.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:51 No.17700605
    Liberia took the Ivory Coast. We know this happened. Let's cause an international incident and get Ghana to declare war on us, and take over Ghana. We can't let the Liberians take advantage of us. We must assert ourselves as a power in Africa. This is why I wanted to get involved in the Ivory Coast. I saw this coming from a mile away.

    Obviously an American plane, not responding to calls to identify. Force it to land but don't shoot it down. If we ABSOLUTELY have to, shoot out it's engines. Specifically, the inner most engines on it's wing. It'll still be able to land but it won't be able to fly.

    >Intel on US involvement.
    Go public, bring it before the UN, and the AU. Make sure everyone who is anyone knows about it. Show all of our proof.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:51 No.17700607
    We should try to cement our good relations with the UK and Germany. France too if we could really consider it to be good relations based on just an apology for a friendly fire incident. Russia and China being supporters of us against these american threats is calming, but having legitimate allies in the West would be excellent.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:51 No.17700611
    Engage. Send pathfinders to recover.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:52 No.17700617
    Only shoot the engines! We can force it to land, with force!
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:52 No.17700623
    Third'ing making the evidence that the US is funding rebels public.
    Fire warning shots, if it continues on its course attempt to take it down nonlethally.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:53 No.17700636
    Engage and force the plane down.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:54 No.17700653

    Make sure to use all diplomatic channels to get with the other forces in NATO, make sure they see this as an offensive action by the US, according to NATO Charter, they're not obligated to do shit unless we attack a NATO country.
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)19:56 No.17700676
    This. Try to make the aircraft land at our airfield if possible.

    I'm so tired of asking Russia for permission
    If it enters our airspace we have every right to intercept.

    Seeing as how we have an American puppet state on our eastern border, the CIA arming rebels in our jungle, unless we want to be involved in a seriously dirty war with Liberia we need to send those ambassadors to Washington ASAP.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:56 No.17700677
    Can we just make a statement to the nations of the world that we don't give a fuck about the middle east? We got our own shit to deal with, stop bugging us. We're trying to cure aids and build an education system.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.17700704
    We should look into starting an advertising campaign in more educated country's that will lure well educated teachers and professionals to our country. We desperately need to improve our education system if we are to escape the cycle of African poverty.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.17700705

    Fire warnings over its nose, if it refuses to change course for our airbase for boarding and detainment, blow it out of the sky, and immediately hold a press conference detailing EXACTLY what happened before the US or whoever has a chance to.

    In fact, start preparing it WHILE the MiGs are intercepting, so we can begin when either the -130 is flaming wreckage or under our guns at our base.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)19:59 No.17700706
    Obviously we're approaching the superman issue wrong. We're assuming this is one guy who somehow managed to succesfully take down a hang boss, then goes around cleaning graffiti in a different city, when really, we should be assuming this is multiple anonymous people donning the same disguise. The solution is quite obvious then - we make our national police uniform a superman outfit.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:00 No.17700714
    Going into Ghana after Liberia would have been seen internationally for what it was: a blatant display of greed and aggressiveness. We fight have gotten censured
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)20:02 No.17700739
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    As the Mig-29s approach the C-130, the C-130 breaks hard to leave territory. Warning shots do not slow it down. An attempt to lock and bring it down with Air to Air has failed to succeed, it has popped flares. It is current flying evasively.

    Our second pilot has scored a hit on an engine with his gun. The C-130 is slowed down with damage, but it is still attempting to evade.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:02 No.17700742
    No no, we get Ghana to declare war on US. We don't declare war on them. Send in some spies and start an international incident.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:04 No.17700760
    Keep firing on the engines, preferably with guns and not missiles. We don't want to blow the wing off, just cripple it and force it to land.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:05 No.17700771
    ALSO start preparing a press conference.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:05 No.17700773
    I'm guessing we don;t have a national hotline with any Western nations. Hell, anyone at all, yet. So we need to deal with this shit now and then deal with the fallout later. We can;t afford to let that plane get away. Ground it if possible, but if not, use lethal force. In the meantime, open any possible channel we can to the US and demand to know if its there's, and if so what the hell it's doing in our airspace.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:05 No.17700778

    start a press conference RIGHT NOW about this situation, keep us on the BBC until that bird is either wreckage or landed and secured.

    Put ALL air-defence assets on standby.

    All the Fulcrums, Fishbeds, and SAMs we have need to be up and ready to launch/fire at a moments notice.

    Do NOT have any active air-defence radar, however, that way it'll be harder to potentially active HARMs to take out our AAA sites.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:07 No.17700791
    A thousand times this!
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:11 No.17700851
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)20:12 No.17700853
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    C130 has been disabled, however, several men dressed in black has bailed out the side. The C-130 is still flying on, slowly losing altitude and speed.

    It has eventually crashed into the ground on the Burkina & IC-Liberian borders, beyond our airspace...

    Press conference is going, but by the time BBC has picked up, the event has ended. Your pilots ignored the bailers and followed the C-130 out.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:13 No.17700871
    Contact Burkina about it.
    Have a massive search for the bailers.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:13 No.17700877
    >>17700778 here

    Unrelated to the situation, but what exactly do we have in terms of air-defense assets?

    Can we get S-300s and the newest AESA/PESA arrays? A couple batteries of those would basically deny any sane opponent aerial operations in or near our borders as long as we camouflage properly.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:14 No.17700881
    Tell Liberia that the plane that just crashed within their borders was fleeing Zanzian airspace and that we are going to inspect the wreckage, on the grounds that the US has been funding terrorist operations within our borders.

    Send out every scout we have into the jungle to find those bastards that bailed out.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:14 No.17700887
    Well shit. Do we have authority to intercept and detain the bailers, assuming they're across the border?

    And if not....do we do it anyway?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:15 No.17700891
    Order a massive search for the bailers They do not deserve the comfort of our homeland.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:15 No.17700900

    Deploy pathfinders to scour the area the black clothed figures jumped out at. Politely ask the Russians to send Spetznatz to the shootdown point ASAP.
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)20:16 No.17700904
    Bailers are in our borders, but not to far from foreign borders. A two days hike would be sufficient.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:16 No.17700913


    Either capture or kill them, find who they work for, then lambast that country for violating our sovreignity(But give back the bodies/captives after getting appropriate concessions)

    Full military alert, prepare for western butthurt.

    Reposition our SAMs, armor, and infantry into new locations to prevent GPS guided muntions from hitting their last known location. If our enemies are smart, which they are, they'll have had satellite recon and found most of our gear. We need to reposition it to keep it alive.

    Do we have any sort of anti-HARM countermeasures? Radar decoys, false emitters, anything?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:17 No.17700921
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    What about the Inflatable S-300 dummies that are all the rage in Russia nowdays?

    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:19 No.17700936

    It was my assumption that they'd be part of the battery. We need the actual missiles, though, or, if we can afford it, S-400s for extra hurt and potential fucking of enemy AWACS if the west decides to make a run for us.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:19 No.17700938
    Sorry, not bailers, the ditched plane itself.

    We need to recover the piolot/co-piolot and any intel. Not to mention that plane is valuabe technology in and of itself. When a british helicopter piolot went down in the falklands war, he torched the bird to prevent anyone reverese engineering it.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:21 No.17700953
    Dude, even if they mobilised as soon as we contacted them (which I doubt they would), they'd never get anywhere near it in time...
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:23 No.17700977

    We WILL find them.

    Get BMPs towards the border, get our best SF teams to deploy via Hind ahead of the best line of retreat for the bailers. Make that Hind run at least 2 companies to the border, and have them set up to intercept. Have our fishbeds make low and slow runs over the jungle where the targets are with loudspeakers demanding their surrender and that they will be treated humanely and fairly, but that any hostile acts will result in their deaths.
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)20:24 No.17700993
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    Hind mobilization was the only way to arrive there in time with any significant mobility. Along with local PMC and border guards already in the area. the search is on the way.....

    Will continue to the action phase now.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:28 No.17701036

    Can we purchase another 3 Hinds? I'd personally like to have 12, but we probably can't afford it.

    We also need trainer helos, and if we could get 4 Mi-8s that would be great.

    We need more pilots, too, see if Russia can help us set up a piloting school.

    We should also look into getting a couple squadrons of tanks, not because we need them, but because ATGMs shouldn't be our only ground-based anti-armor.

    I'd recommend upgraded T-72s or new Leclercs unless Russia doesn't want us buying Euro. See if they'll sell us discounting T-90s. We only need 15-25 tanks. We should also get some South African artillery vehicles if they'll sell to us(Howitzers, not mortars)
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:29 No.17701048
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:30 No.17701064
    I've wanted more Hinds from the start, but we only have one fucking pilot. indeed we need more helo trainers.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:32 No.17701081

    In the short-term we can see about importing retired pilots from other nations or hiring the EO guys who ran their Hind squadron, if they're still around.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)20:51 No.17701290
    Seconding this suggestion.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:03 No.17701416
    C'mon Glorious Leader, don't leave us hanging!
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)21:12 No.17701520
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    >mfw i suggested sending soldiers to private helo fight school outide country in 2nd thread
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:20 No.17701587
    Has....has everything massively slowed down, or is it me? Seriously, all across 4chan nothing seems to be changing.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:21 No.17701606
    Oh god it's WWIII!
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)21:22 No.17701614
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    Slow night brah.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:22 No.17701616
    The SILENCE Act has taken effect. ISPs all around the world are shutting down.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:27 No.17701663
    >/b/ not updating
    >Suddenly hear air raid siren from air-base down the road
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)21:30 No.17701704
    dosen't /b have that kind of problem quite often?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:44 No.17701851
    >get some South African artillery vehicles if they'll sell to us
    I would love this, but when we approached South Africa in Thread 2, they said no to selling any weapons to us.
    Israelis are also out for armor; we already asked and they refused.
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)21:47 No.17701877
    Yup. Been kind of stonewalled by all the US affiliates we've approached. Thus the mess we're in now
    >> SEPTEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)21:47 No.17701885
    Had a real life crisis. I'm sorry. Back now.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:51 No.17701910

    That was then, this is now. Now that we're actually showing ourselves as, you know, competent, non-insane monsters, they might be willing to sell us some arty.

    If not, go to Russia for a battery of SPGs and 2-3 batteries of towed howitzers. We need longer-ranged firepower than mortars.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:53 No.17701936
    I kinda feel sorry for whoever in the US was assigned our nation to destabilize.
    In the beginning it looked like a textbook case of 'fund rebels against a Russian-backed dictator in order to create US-Friendly democratic nation when the tyrant is overthrown'.
    Except by being a enlightened tyrant, we've turned that model on its head, being hailed by the world as a progressive leader who is bringing prosperity and respectability to his people, while the rebels slowly degenerated into being branded as terrorists.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)21:56 No.17701967
    Considering you've taken the Russian rather than PRC path, the Indians should be willing to sell arms to you. They aren't a US-sattelite, as they are not considered dependent on the US pacific presence the way Korea and Taiwan are, being that during the Cold War they were an Unaligned country and USSR-friendly.
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)21:59 No.17702010
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    Welcome back commander.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:00 No.17702020

    We've already bought Indian. A lot of Indian.

    Thorium reactors, desalinisation plants, wind turbines, mortar carriers, we might also want to look into the Su-30 MKI as a potential first-line fighter to support our smaller Fulcrums.
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)22:02 No.17702047
    We've bought like 100 mortar trucks and personal mortars from them. Not to mention a thorium nuclear reactor. We also sell them oil, so us and India are like besties
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:05 No.17702089
    Considering our opposition, unless the US starts supplying some of its more famous aircraft to our neighbors, I think the MiG-29 and those of its generation are more than enough, and that the Su-30 is way more than we need.

    However, getting some light tanks and SPG's, as well as more Hinds would go a long way in deterring Liberia from a conventional attack.

    Ghana we shouldn't have to worry too much about, because they're Chinese-aligned.
    >> OCTOBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)22:12 No.17702190
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    -Liberia Intel says the C-130 came from there. C-130s are operated by Liberia, as they are an ally to America.

    -Hunt for survivors goes poorly, we and the PMC have yet to locate them... its possible they eluded us. We found gear discarded, it seems American made possibly.

    -India has begun working on the desalinization plant.

    -BBC plays our story world wide. Accusations of Liberia and CIA operations has been tossed about on the internet and between various TV personalities as a botched operation.

    -Russia advises you to be wary of air traffic now.

    -Education! Your average education level is moving up a grade!

    -Crops and drought issues are being solved now, thanks to intelligent water use by our government and changing weather conditions.

    -Disease alert! Ghana has had an outbreak of the bird flu! It is contained. Extensive Human to Human transfer is very unlikely.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:13 No.17702205
    I'm saying we should get Su-30s because they can carry more ordnance, longer-ranged Air to Air, and have a longer operational range, thereby providing even more deterrent to our neighours. I also believe they can buddy-tank, allowing them to act as improvised Aerial Refuelers to allow for longer time on station for CAS missions.

    We should look into getting some Il-76s and their refueler/AWACS variants, too, just one or two of each, so we can take anyone on the continent if they decide to get uppity.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:15 No.17702239
    Purchase AA guns from Russia and India, mobile and otherwise, as well as decoys.
    Gather as many refugees from the invasion of the ivory coast as possible and force them into the occupied zone.
    Gather together a force of criminals and Homeless, begin work on a system of Civil defense and infastructure.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:16 No.17702252

    can we talk to Russia about acquiring some newer Mi-24s, and training for our pilots?

    As well as a pair of Il-76 refueler variants.

    We should look into getting 2-4 Mi-8s from Russia, too, those beasts can carry a large number of troops and can still act as gunships.

    Is Russia supplying us with any of the exotic weapons, like Fuel-air or anti-radiation?
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)22:17 No.17702271
    I'm going to go ahead and re suggest going strait for some India T-72s or T-90s. Not more than 30 or so. Maybe less if we do get the T-90. A good amount of light tanks would be excellent as well. Any one have any suggestions for those? Going for more middling to high grade stuff has kind of our shtick.

    Here's hoping we get some diplomacy going with US in the next update
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:19 No.17702286
    Have our intel assets there keep an eye out for the next C-130.
    We'll have a proper interception this time.

    Take their gear, hold it as evidence.

    >Desalinization Plant
    Make sure that security is good. We don't want accidents. Hire more police and security.

    Offer Ghana medical assistance to help keep the flu contained.

    >Free Action
    Purchase more military equipment.
    AA systems from India and Russia.
    Talk to Russia about getting 2 more Mi-24 Hind-D's.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:19 No.17702288
    Increase our defenses on the Liberia border, but not too much that Liberia and the US start asking questions.

    >Crash Survivors
    Keep looking. Recruit the help of the locals if possible.

    >Russia advises you to be wary of air traffic now.
    Ask if they're offering any fairly advanced air defense systems right now.

    >Education! Your average education level is moving up a grade!
    Lets keep investing in this.

    Put extra security and medical personnel on the Zanzia/Ghana highway checkpoint for the duration of the outbreak. Anybody coming in must be medically examined.
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)22:19 No.17702293
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    Retaliatory BM-21 strike against Liberia, it's the only option.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:22 No.17702321
    We don't want to start an all out war, especially if Liberia is getting as much US support as our intel suggests.

    We can buzz the Liberian border with MiG and Hind flybys to discourage further incursions. It could also double as valuable hands on training for our pilots.
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)22:25 No.17702370
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    >We don't want to start an all out war,

    Why not?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:26 No.17702381
    Smores the Sonir you're not taking it far enough, let us outright invade them!
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)22:27 No.17702386

    Only thing i got is we ought to start moving away from the heavy Russian influence. No one can really blame us for dealing heavily from India... and besides, we can get fairly modern Russian hardware from them anyway...

    Maybe this incident will help us get our foot in the US diplomacy door. We might want to offer a mutual alliance to Burkina like we did with Liberia.

    >Bird Flu.
    Station some medical experts at highway crossing to Ghana, have visitors screened for symptoms before entry
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:27 No.17702388
    I honestly don't think we need refuelers, considering the size of our country, and that a defensive war is currently preferable.

    Some tanks would be good, T-90's preferred.
    I don't know what to get for the light tank role, though. More BMP-2's?

    I agree that we shouldn't get into a conventional war with Liberia if we can avoid it, and that intensified patrols would be a good way to get more flight-time experience for our pilots.

    Also, OP, how doe our people view our hiring of PMC's? How do they view mercenaries?
    And have the mercenaries been behaving? And how do they feel about working for a regime where the citizenry don't actively hate them?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:27 No.17702390
    We've actually been trying pretty hard not to be a bastard, and it's worked amazingly well.
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)22:29 No.17702415

    Yes, but do you enjoy it?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:30 No.17702418
    > foreign commandos
    Inform the -world- (via BBC, internet, UN, etc) that we will forgive this violation of our sovereignty if the offending nation admits (to us, we promise not to tell) their violation and has the surviving commando forces surrender. The men will be safely returned as a gesture of goodwill between civil nations.

    If they refuse, the commandos will be treated as terrorist agents and dealt with accordingly. This offer ends in 48 hours. We'll even give the commandos ice cream if they surrender, it is our thing.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:30 No.17702427
    Absolutely. It's not like there's any shortage of excitement.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:33 No.17702468

    We want the refuelers and AWACS to provide deterrence in terms of superior air power, and also to allow for better command and control and longer loiter times. We can keep our pilots in the air longer with refuelers and keep them safer by not having them radiating and instead datalinked to the AWACs aircraft safely out of most SAM range.

    For MBTs, we should pick up some T-90s, 10-20, with full ERA, electronics, and be sure that the gun-launcher comes with the ATGMS. Make sure our troops have laser designators, too, we should double-check their procedures for CAS and have ALL our pilots on ALL our platforms train for it with dumb and live munitions, marked by coordinate, smoke, and laser. See about having our best pilots in the Fulcrums train for SEAD with Russian HARMs, and make sure they can use their helmet reticles to launch missiles off-axis.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:34 No.17702474
    Different guy, but I do.
    I enjoy bringing progress and prosperity to nation, in a continent that regularly sees failure as the standard.
    I love being able to tell refugees and the homeless that they will work, and they will be paid a reasonable wage, that they need to stop whining and deal with it. We as nation are tired of putting up with their shit and they need to carry their own weight.

    I also like proving the US, and most of the world, wrong about enlightened despots and that it CAN work.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:35 No.17702485
    Alright. If it's at all possible, attempt to reach out to America/Liberia. We need either a press conference, or talks behind closed doors. This could very easily turn into a national crisis, given the state of the world right now.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:36 No.17702501
    We need to call Liberia on its conquest of Ivory Coast. We should tell the worlds that they are just using them to further their own agenda or the Cia war against us.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:38 No.17702530
    Alright, I'll agree with the AWAC's, but I'm still not entirely sold on the refuelers. Let's wait until the desalinization plant is online and the irrigation system is running first.

    I find no fault with the T-90 purchase, but I think that perhaps we should also consider some light tanks, given that we have a lot of jungle area as well.
    There's 3 I'm looking at:
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:39 No.17702542
    Get to Liberia through America.

    "We would not be adverse to helping the presidents global agenda, if you stopped funding attacks from enemies of the state."
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:39 No.17702552
    Most of the world, and the African Union, consider it a good thing, though.
    They finally stopped the civil war in Ivory Coast, and brought peace to that region.
    And using this new space to further their national interests is pretty much a given, and not surprising or scandalous at all.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:42 No.17702576

    you're alive? why do you not talk anymore
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:44 No.17702595

    Refuelers are useful for more than long-range missions. By not having to land, an airframe remain in the air until the pilot needs to land for biological, not mechanical reasons, allowing your air cover to remain on station longer.

    We already have light tanks in the form of BMP-2s, if you want a dedicated, small light tank, you're looking at something like the PT-76(Or a modern version), the British CVRT Sabre, or something like that.

    TBH I think our, what, 20 BMP-2s are sufficient now, though if you want more we could form a second detachment with another group of BMP-2s, and then a third motorised infantry battalion with BTRs and BRDMs.

    We should look into purchasing some older Russian Tunguska systems if we don't already have them, or Pantsir systems, for company and battalion level SPAAGs. (We could also go to India for this)
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)22:45 No.17702611
    We have supersonic jets, a tiny nation and an centrally located air base . I don't see why would we possibly need a re-fueler. What we shoud do is drill our fighter pilots on response times.

    >As for war
    I still think we lack the armor for an offensive war.
    Not to mention the nasty nasty backlash
    >> Sonir !FAIwcQVJw2 01/27/12(Fri)22:45 No.17702613

    Several reasons, who you be?
    >> NOVEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)22:46 No.17702620
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    -Ghana Incident, Ghana is keeping it contained and have shut their own borders for safety of the region.

    -Calling out to the US and INTL community about Liberia's actions has resulted in a stern reprimand from the UN. Liberia has been asked to return Ivory Coast to it's people.

    -Russia is offering further weapons to aid our defense.

    -US and Liberia both deny anything with the C-130

    -A CIA informant has left a tip to a friend he has in our nation that Spetnaz is using American and Liberian equipment to drive us into using their resources. That we are playing into their hands.

    -Our people call for peace, they do not wish for any war.

    -BBC has run a special on improving education and medical conditions in Zanzia!
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:49 No.17702670
    Quick question. What religion is the majority in our nation? We could dump freedom of religion if it's a large enough majority. Maybe use it to increase our power.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)22:49 No.17702672

    Possible, but we can also go to India and the Rooskies already have their fingers in the cookie jar.

    What's the status of our military at current time, Grand Leader?

    Also, namefagging from now on. (I'm>>17700778
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:53 No.17702728
    Ask if they need any medical supplies airdropped to them.

    >Ivory Coast
    Bring up with the African Union how we should proceed with this.

    >Russian AA
    I believe we're looking at some Hind's, and maybe some Mil-8's. I think everyone agreed we could use more of those.

    Possible. But we were buying Russian equipment anyway. And were planning on buying more anyway.
    That just sounds wasteful for the Russians to try to get us to buy their stuff, when we wanted to buy their stuff.

    Assure our people we will attempt to settle things diplomatically.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:54 No.17702735
    Run the CIA informant's info through the ex-KGB dude to see how reliable it is and whether this guy can be trusted (as far as a CIA-affiliated dude can be trusted). Try not to tell Russia about it, though. This has serious implications if we're sticking with our plan not to be joined at the hip with Russia.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:54 No.17702745
    Hmph. We need to verify that CIA tip pronto. Have we captured any Rebels? We need to know who supplied them with their equipment.

    I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Russia actually was behind it.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:56 No.17702765
    >CIA informant
    Obviously a US double (or is it triple?) agent, ignore him.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)22:58 No.17702787
    If Russia was really behind it, I want to call up our contacts and say "Bratischka. I appreciate the combat practice you gave our soldiers, but really? To make a sale? I am already a customer of Russian products. You think I would buy overpriced American garbage?"
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:01 No.17702821

    Whether or not the US really did the covert operation or it was the Ruskies, much of their foreign policy is driven by PR. If we pursue a warming of relations with them and ditch our war talk over the Liberian situation, as our people are against it and the international community is on our side regarding the Ivory Coast, they'll have less incentive to engage in operations against us. And if it is the Russians, we buy enough from them that they won't hate us for not playing into their hands.

    However, while moving away from the idea of war and healing ties with the US, we should still push the UN about Liberia, and we should engage in the previously mentioned idea of offering unskilled labor jobs to the unemployed creating defenses - only we won't call them defenses, we'll call it infrastructure, and it will be entirely packaged as a public work program to reduce unemployment and stimulate production and employment via spending (by providing cash-strapped Zanzians with money doing labor).

    Like the US model in the 1930'S, we can divide it into "land conservation" (fortifications) with the healthy young males and then a WPA type program for projects in more developed areas with older people of either sex (during the New Deal the WPA was nicknamed We Poke Along, as it had all the elderly poor people in it).
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:02 No.17702836
    What if we offer a bounty for any information that leads to the discovery of an active rebel base? (to the locals near the jungles?)

    Make it profitable to be against the rebels!
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:06 No.17702877
    Alright. 2 Il-78 refuelers, but no more.

    That was already the system we had in place when we need the large amount of labor for the Zanzi-Ghana Highway Project.

    And all of those people are now working on the rail network we are building.

    And everyone else is employed in building our electrical grid.

    So, we're already engaged in the idea you're espousing. We've been engaged in it since the first threat.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)23:06 No.17702878

    The camouflaged positions are a good idea, but we should also look into setting up hidden, short runways capable of operating Su-25s off of, they don't need much space to take off and IIRC they can run on dirt. Perhaps constructing some outlying bases/training grounds near the border with hidden stockpiles of weapons for the frogfeet? It'd allow our CAS, if needed, to operate with far, far reduced turnaround times, and if our central base gets hit with runway cratering munitions, our air power won't be totally crippled. We should see about constructing a second airbase for just eventuality, and splitting our air forces between the two.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:09 No.17702910
    I like the building of hidden defenses, but we already rounded up all of the homeless, criminals, and refugees from other nations to work on our actual infrastructure already, and they're not done yet.
    So we'll have to put hidden defenses after our irrigation network and national road system.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)23:10 No.17702940

    We have military engineers, don't we? We have civil companies, too. At the least we can get a new training ground/Su-25 airfield up near the Liberian border with that capacity, hell, have some of our infantry help with the work, they can use it as PT.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:14 No.17702983
    >We have military engineers, don't we?
    Some, maybe.
    We may be waiting for more citizens to graduate from the vo-tech schools and then enlist.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:14 No.17702997
    Again, get the homeless and criminals back into work.
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    If we need APCs, I suggest Marauders.

    I have no idea if we do, but I can't let the chance pass.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)23:19 No.17703047

    We have BMP-2s, and they are quite sufficient for our needs as an IFV. If we need battle taxis, BTR-80s, and 90s if we can afford them/need them, will suffice.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:20 No.17703052
    But the point is they're already working!
    They're working on the road network, national electrical grid, setting up TV broadcast towers, building the rail network, and the national irrigation system.

    I think we might be close to suffering a labor shortage.
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:21 No.17703063
    Unless South Africa has changed their stance from 6 months back, they're unwilling to sell weapons and vehicles to us.
    >> DECEMBER 2015 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/27/12(Fri)23:39 No.17703289

    -Russia will lend you 10 hinds and a training program in addition to your current Hind. They will provide you your two refuelers and throw in an older AWAC. Ontop of which, they are sending some more advanced anti-air emplacements to defend vital positions - and inflatable duplicates. (Specifics will come along later.)

    - Ghana has begun receiving medical support from UN, spreading disease.

    - AU is unhappy with Liberia.

    -NeoTekz says their lab is underway.

    -Russia says the temporary base is prepared, and they are now drilling into the mountain for us.

    -WORLD NEWS! US is pulling from Iran.
    >> Slushed 01/27/12(Fri)23:41 No.17703314
    Send. Ambassadors. To . US

    We could survive a war with Liberia, but i wouldn't be pretty. You guys seem to have tactics pretty much taken care of. So Im going to concentrate on foreign policy.

    We should appeal to Burkina, Guinea, Niger, Nigeria, and Ghana to form a protective coalition. Great President for Life Xavier will give a very moving speech, calling for an end to western imperialism in the 21st century. President Xavier has a dream for a free, green, prosperous, and peaceful Africa.
    >"We are tired of being pawns in this twisted game, where old men over seas move pieces on a board, and young African men die in the bush! The only way to stand up to these powers that be is an agreement for these African nations to come to the defense of each other, before we are ripped asunder!"
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:45 No.17703354
    I support this wholeheartedly
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:45 No.17703357
    That's a great package; what's the catch?

    >medical support from UN
    >break quarantine and disease spreads
    Oh shit nigga what are you doing?.jpeg
    Contact Ghana and offer medical personnel to get that shit contained.

    "Let us work together to rebuild the Ivory Coast!"
    Offer to host a conference on what to do with Liberia and Ivory Coast, pledge to provide military and economic assistance.

    >World news
    Open diplomatic channel with the US, get an embassy and and an ambassador in America.

    >Free Action
    As the road network expands, purchase electrical buses as part of a mass transit network.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)23:49 No.17703397

    Make sure we have a full range of ordnance on the Hinds, including AA-8s.

    See if Russia is willing to sell us some of their retired Su-24M2s, it'll give us a greater capacity to strike at targets in hostile nations if they decide to attack us, and they're also dedicated strike fighters, freeing up our Fulcrums for pure air defense instead of being needed to use HARMS.

    Any word on Russia or India supplying us with a tank company and some organic air defense for our mobile units?
    >> Anonymous 01/27/12(Fri)23:53 No.17703438
    Could we have a rundown of our current military equipment?
    iirc we are still lacking some mobile air defense. Along with some tanks I think acquiring these should be a goal for now regarding our ground forces.
    >> Aviationfag 01/27/12(Fri)23:54 No.17703463

    Seconding (Again)

    I also already suggested T-90s and Tunguskas or Pantsirs
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/28/12(Sat)00:08 No.17703589
    I regret to inform you all, that I have run out of steam for this weak...and as I DM Dark Heresy tomorrow, I likely won't have another dictator game until Sunday or Monday.

    I have archived this thread however. I'm sorry for not being able to go on.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:10 No.17703608
    It's okay.
    I'm writing up our current military.
    You'll have to change the number of soldiers and scouts, but I think I have the numbers of vehicles right.

    They will include all forces from the package deal offered by Russia here >>17703289 since I think everyone agreed to it.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/28/12(Sat)00:10 No.17703610
    You guys can talk tactics, army needs, etc further more.

    As well as non military needs (we do need this!) and I will keep an eye on it. So don't feel anything posted here will be lost.

    We still need a flag people will love.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:12 No.17703625
    How would one port this over to tabletop?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:12 No.17703629
    About the subject of a flag:
    Are there any ideas at all floating around? If yes I could give it a try.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:13 No.17703638
    Most likely a rules-light system. A basic idea, a basic line of events, and maybe a few rolls here and there.
    >> Aviationfag 01/28/12(Sat)00:22 No.17703739

    A big ol scoop of ice cream on a field of whatever color we like.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:23 No.17703746
    I'm gonna try a mashup of Savage Worlds and Reign.
    >> Slushed 01/28/12(Sat)00:28 No.17703791
    I have one in the last thread, and there were a few in the very first thread
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:29 No.17703797
    my 2 last cents before I pass out.

    I really want to push the idea of Ghana being our major regional ally. they seem friendly, we have trade and travel, and they're right next door. we have a good medical field and they have a medical crisis, it seems the perfect opportunity to strengthen ties.

    all of the equipment from Russia and India is nice, but if shit hits the fan, we're going to need boots on the ground. Super Liberia (Liberia with US backing and Ivory Coast territory) could be a formidable opponent.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:29 No.17703802
    Zanzian Army
    -8,462 men
    -187 scout corp
    -TAR-21 Primary Combat Weapon
    -Limited ATM and MANPAD (Anti tank and anti air) weapons - Strela-2's
    -30 BMP-2's
    - 100 Sarath mobile mortar carrier
    - 100 infantry 51mm E1 mortar
    - 10 BM-21 with conventional and napalm rockets

    Zanzian Airforce
    9 Fighter pilots
    1 Helicopter pilot
    27 Trainees
    -4 Mig-29s (Best fighters in region...)
    -3 SU-25 (Best anti-ground in region...)
    -2 Mil Mi-2 (trans helo)
    -6 Cessna 172 (Scout/Personel Transport..civy craft.)
    -11 Mi-24 Hind D
    -20 MiG-21
    -4 MiG-21 Trainer
    -2 Ilyushin Il-78 aerial refueler
    -1 Beriev A-50 AWACs

    Coast Guard
    26 Boats mounted with whatever weapons we had laying around. They double as fishing boats.
    1 freighter for local shipping, armed with a 20mm Bofors from WW2.

    Now, there was originally talk of an order of 20 BMP-2's back in Thread 2, but there was dissention on whether we should accept or counter-offer, so those 20 BMP-2's are assumed to have not been bought at that time.

    The Beriev A-50 AWACs is what the Russian have in service now, since the early 80's, so I assumed that's what they sold us.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:35 No.17703834
    Militias are not something we want to have to deal with, but we can always start drawing up some plans to have a conscription - volunteers not draft, just "civilians we briefly train" the way the U.S. army used to be even with volunteers before reforming around a professional standing army concept - based reserve component that we can call up and mobilize a larger percent of the eligible population than we can afford in our standing army.

    Of course stockpiles of uniforms and infantry weapons could be a recipe for being seized in unrest and be the source of instant insurgency, Iraq style when the de-Baathification caused tensions to flare over and the stockpiles of all those raided armories resurfaced in the hands of angry angry people.

    I say instead then we should focus on making sure we get even a token level of AU support should war break out with Liberia.
    >> Aviationfag 01/28/12(Sat)00:38 No.17703851

    Our air power is sufficient for the region, but we should look into Il-76s in case we need to mount offensive operations, that way we can airlift and airdrop supplies.

    We should look into forming a second mechanised infantry company with another 20 BMP-2s, and then form a tank company with 20 T-90s, along with SPAAGs for all our motorized units.

    We can also look into getting some BTR-80As and BTR-90s for a motorised battalion as our "main" force, with AT-5 Spandrels for AT work.

    I'd like it better if we picked up another 2 Mig-29s, a unit of 4 Su-24M2s for dedicated SEAD and strikes, and some Mi-8s for combat transport. We might also want to look into cargo slings for the Hips if we get them and some airliftable armor, then we can look into helicopter based infantry as our primary response force.

    As it stands, we should form a platoon-sized special forces unit based around our Hinds, mixing our UN vets with some pathfinders, and get them the absolute best gear we can get (Laser designators, GP-30s, RPG-29s, etc)
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:41 No.17703877
    Here's a list of current engineering projects and social programs we have running, that don't always get updated because they're running smoothly.

    Social and Economic:
    - Increased education (Currently Early American High School Equivalent)
    - Increased Health (both getting medicines out to people and training more doctors)
    - Vocational Technical Schools
    - Limited Capitalism and government incentives for small businesses
    - Responsible and intelligent farming (improved storage facilities, better crop rotation, pesticides and herbicides, better irrigation)
    - Anti-Corruption Initiative (concentrating on who was embezzling money from us)
    - National Bank of Zanzi completed, secure gold vault being constructed and filled with gold

    Engineering and Infrastructure:
    - National Road System
    - National Power Grid
    - National TV Network
    - National Sewage Treatment
    - National Irrigation Network
    - National Rail Network
    - Thorium Power Plants
    - Desalinization Plant
    - Wind Farm
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:45 No.17703912
    I believe we already have our Zanzi Striker Corps as our elite unit. We can mix in some of our best Pathfinders, and make sure they have the absolute best equipment we can afford.

    In addition to the weapons you listed, I would also include night-vision equipment and the best body armor we can afford. Good comm equipment as well.
    Perhaps see if there are any retired Spetznaz that our Ex-KGB Guy knows who might be willing to train our Striker Corps to be close to Spetznaz standards?
    >> Slushed 01/28/12(Sat)00:49 No.17703951
    Good job Anon.

    Could Grand Leader possibly post previous flag submissions next time we start up the quest? I have mine, but seeing them altogether might get us some more participation
    >> Aviationfag 01/28/12(Sat)00:50 No.17703972

    Night vision is expensive, dude, a decent set (And that's CIVILIAN set) will run you 3500-5000 USD

    We can look into it, though, at the least we should get platoon level NV and Thermal imagers.

    For Body Armor, we should either look into the Russian TITAN system, if they've made a version with a modular attachment system, or we'll have to go with a western product with ceramic plates.
    >> Slushed 01/28/12(Sat)00:55 No.17704035
    Remembered something you might have missed, possibly in last thread.
    We bought licenses to factory produce parts for our MiG-21s and Hinds, im not for shore, but possibly our MiG-29( im dont know if we had them yet), and possibly for the BMP-2s
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)00:57 No.17704055
    I know night vision is expensive, that's why I'm saying to spring for equipping just the elite platoons that are going to be attached to our Hind's.

    I'm thinking starting with 2 platoons of 8 soldiers each. That's 16 sets, and assuming $6,000 each, sets us back $76,000.
    Considering our recent purchases of IFV's didn't cause major concern regarding our treasury, I think we can afford it easily.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:00 No.17704079
    We got manufacturer's licenses for 'older MiG and Sukhoi products', so that could easily include the MiG-29's.

    As someone pointed out, the company that was offering the deal doesn't have the license for Mil helicopters like our Hind's. Those we'll have to negotiate for separately.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:00 No.17704083
    Do we have any actual numbers as to what our monthly income/expenses are?
    Or at least how much money we have available for military expenditures per month?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:03 No.17704112

    Aren't night vision monocular scopes for rifle mounting cheaper than a pair of goggles?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:03 No.17704116
    We've been keeping it light on the details to keep it easier on Our Grand Leader.
    Otherwise, he'll have to calculate oil prices, oil production, maintenance costs, and other details.

    It's mostly been, he'll tell us if something is a little too expensive for us, or that maintaining it would cut into the budgets of other projects.
    Until then, our military and civilian expenditures have kept pace with our growing economy.
    >> Aviationfag 01/28/12(Sat)01:04 No.17704126

    Rule 3 of firearm saftey, jackass, never point a firearm at anything you do not with to destroy.

    Also, they have TERRIBLE vision radius.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:08 No.17704180
    Oh, you know what I forgot?
    Our National Football Team!
    We've got that Good-Will Game with Brazil coming up.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/28/12(Sat)01:28 No.17704400
    Yes, light is best. I can't realisticly keep this fun and flowing...

    If you guys noticed, my last two posts dropped in quality, it kind of got to "do i keep going and let things get blah, or wait till im in better shape?" sort of deal...

    You know, I'm honestly surprised. You guys are better leaders than most other people. In a sense.

    I'm proud of you /tg/
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:30 No.17704424
    We wouldn't have the opportunity to modernize Africa if not for you running this quest.

    Stay awesome.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)01:44 No.17704580
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    Well, get better OP.

    I also collected all of the flag designs together.
    The competition is still open, so if you think you can do better, draw it up and drop it here.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)03:06 No.17705417
    I like Candidate 3.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)04:16 No.17705963
    i approve of candidate 3.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)07:15 No.17706993
    I vote for three.

    And, as appaling I am with Paint, what about some sort of "neopolitan" colour scheme?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)07:21 No.17707037
    So this is late, because I went to sleep. But dammit if I'm not going to post it anyway:

    >AT approximately 06:00 GMT, we detected an unidentified military aircraft in violation of our airspace. After naturually assuming this was as US peacekeeping mission to the disputed Ivory Coast Territory, we sent a fighter wing as an escort. However, the pilot of the unidentified plane refused to identify himself or his purpose and, as a result, we were forced to bring the plane down. We are now in the middle of a dedicated effort to locate any survivors. Thank you. Questions?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)13:17 No.17709584
    Fourthing candidate 3, but we need more colour in it imo.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)13:36 No.17709752
    Fourthing making the evidence that the US is funding rebels public, to the AU, the UN, Russia, everyone.

    Whether it actually is being faked by the Russians or not, this will give us much needed international protection against America.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)14:13 No.17710056
    So, Army Upgrade:
    A grenade launcher for each squad, as well as 1 Dragunov DMR and 1 light machine gun.
    We already use the 5.56mm for our TAR-21's, and have an ammunition factory, so that expands our options somewhat.

    Also, we may not be able to afford night-vision or thermal imagers for everyone, but maybe one for platoon leaders is within our budget.
    >> Dago 01/28/12(Sat)14:28 No.17710196

    Not to nitpick but why not use the Israeli STAR-21? DMR version of Tavor. More expensive, but same controls, same ammo/magazines, same parts; more expensive in initial costs but over time we only produce one round/magazine/parts. Logistics would be easier over time, even in training. In true Africa fashion, we could 'reverse-engineer' the Tavor platform and use a locally-produced version w/o a license. Israelis did it with the Mirage/Kfir.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)14:38 No.17710272
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    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)14:45 No.17710328
    I'd prefer to purchase the license; so far we have a reputation for not screwing arms companies out of ways to make money from us by always playing above-the-board, and I'd like to keep that reputation.

    I admit, the logistical benefits of the STAR-21 intrigue me, but I'm concerned with performance compared to the Dragunov SVD. The Dragunov fires the 7.62x54mmR, a bigger, heavier bullet and so I think has better penetration and one-hit-kill performance than the STAR-21's 5.56mm.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)14:47 No.17710339
    I like candidate 1 and 3. These are flags that are very distinguished and recognizable and they look good.
    >> Dago 01/28/12(Sat)14:58 No.17710442
    I understood that as well. You want the heavier round to reach out and be effective at longer ranges. On the battlefield, it makes sense; when I looked at logistics side of it, the older SVD is cheaper but is a whole different round to produce and license costs and tooling for spare parts.

    That being said, the 77+ grn BTHP rounds available for 556 are pretty nice and pack a decent punch to them.

    Politically, I'm not sure we should have adopted a NATO cartridge and STANAG platform if the US is actively trying to screw us over. However, it aids in battlefield logistics with same ammo and magazines.

    It is essentially a wash when weighing options. I just brought it up because it might allow the GM/OP to free up some funds for another project or allow other projects to proceed faster due to money saved.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/28/12(Sat)16:21 No.17711120
    >threads still alive

    You glorious bastards you!
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:25 No.17711162
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    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:27 No.17711182
    The wank is strong in this one.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:31 No.17711214
    No YOU glorious bastard OP.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:35 No.17711256
    >-Its been confirmed by ZIA and KGB that Washington is indeed funding the rebels.

    I told you stupid fucks in the FIRST FUCKING THREAD that the CIA would INEVITABLY fund the rebels because of our Russian ties and that they should therefore be hunted down like animals immediately.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:44 No.17711349
    Right, and we all agreed with you. So we sent in some scouts, and they vanished without trace. So we decided to do it properly and built up our armour, artillary and air support. And we did it.

    What's your problem?

    Also, I'll point you towards this: >>17702620
    >A CIA informant has left a tip to a friend he has in our nation that Spetnaz is using American and Liberian equipment to drive us into using their resources. That we are playing into their hands.
    Its still possible (if, I admit, unlikely) that America has nothing to do with it
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:48 No.17711388
    >hunted down like animals
    This is where you went wrong. If we'd have done that, we would look like every despotic dictator, struggling to keep a grasp on power, while heroic freedom fighters liberate the people.

    Because we were smart, and looked after our people rather than running into the jungle and shooting at shadows, are people are rooting for us over the rebels. As are most of the international community, since we became a beacon of hope for Africa in regards to infrastructure, medicine, science, engineering, clean-power, agriculture...

    And NOW that we have evidence that America (whether the evidence is real of false is another matter, but irrelevant at this stage), they appear to be the big "bully" trying to force their politics on a global scale, even in unassuming countries that have done nothing wrong and are loved by their people.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:51 No.17711426
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    >If we'd have done that, we would look like every despotic dictator, struggling to keep a grasp on power, while heroic freedom fighters liberate the people.

    We could just claim they were muslim jihadist radicals. They being dead, they wouldn't be able to argue.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)16:54 No.17711480
    America has regularly overthrown popular, peaceful, progressive governments. Ask the average Persian why they hate our government so goddamn much.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)17:02 No.17711579
    I would, if I knew any. But now I'm intruiged.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)17:11 No.17711655
    US and British intelligence services overthrew Iran's democratic secular government because it was leaning too heavily towards the Soviet Union back in the 50s and installed the Shah as dictator.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)17:18 No.17711724
    Well shit, I had no idea.

    That worked out well for them, at any rate. Maybe they'll think twice before trying it in Zanzi?
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)17:21 No.17711757
    Hey, any of you guys want to participate in this Dictator Quest knock-off?

    (yeah, OP should have chosen a different title for his quest at least)

    It is going on right now. ... It's kinda lonely there.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)18:01 No.17712196
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    So, anyone else want to chime in on the STAR-21/Dragunov SVD debate?
    Even if you're not a /k/ommando, the considerations of logistics and the political considerations of going to IMI for a STAR-21 license vs. going to Russia for the Dragunov license should still be interesting debate fodder.

    In either case we would make a large initial order and then purchase a license to make them and spare parts.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)22:44 No.17715452
    Let's go with Dragunovs. More reliable, I think; plus ammo is (however slightly) cheaper.
    >> Anonymous 01/28/12(Sat)23:08 No.17715745
    Also favouring the Dragunovs. More reliable, greater power and keeps us on better terms with the ruskies. Considering we are acquiring a majority of our equipment from them and letting them train some of our forces we should cater to them whenever it doesn't really inconvenience us.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)00:06 No.17716365
    So is OP gone 5ever or does anyone have any idea when hes going to be back?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)00:07 No.17716377

    He should be back somewhen in the next 24 hours.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 01/29/12(Sun)00:27 No.17716567
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    Im still here...just finished dark heresy.

    My players disconnected a maglev train from it's rails, at 300mph+, and fell through the hive city, cork screwing through the air...

    Yeah that was fun.

    Anyways, tomorrow or Monday Ill pick up with posts.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)03:00 No.17718045
    Currently, the Dragunov appears to be in the lead for our Designated Marksman Rifle competition.

    Anyone have a preference for squad-support light machine guns?
    I recommend either the FN Minimi from Fabrique-Nationale (but make sure we get the version with Picatinny Rails) or the Indian INSAS LMG (should see if we can get a version that either has Picatinny or Russian rail system).

    A Russian alternative is the PKM. It is a general purpose machine gun that can be used in the squad automatic weapon role.

    The FN Minimi and the INSAS both use the 5.56 NATO round that our standard TAR-21's use, making supplying squads easier.

    If we go with the Dragunov rifle, the PKM also uses the same rounds, so getting one makes getting ammo for the other easier.

    Again, for anyone who doesn't care about the gun performance aspect, take into consideration the political ramifications.
    The FN Minimi, while being an excellent light machine gun, is produced by a NATO nation and NATO-aligned corporation. Russia won't like it too much, but it may make the EU like us more.
    The INSAS is Indian-owned, and so getting their equipment would improve our relations with them.
    And the PKM would further cement our ties with the Russians.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)03:14 No.17718160
    Hey, I wasn't trying to stir the pot, just thinking of logistics and costs and political implications.

    We bring ourselves closer to dependance on the Russians with every arms order and other Anon's are screaming to assert ourselves against being a Russian puppet; Using a NATO/STANAG platform/cartridge keeps us away from the teet of the Russians.

    Using a non-aligned nation like Israel is a great path for us. Hell, even Swiss SiGs, Finnish Sako's and Valmets, even Brazilian platforms/license-produced platforms (FAL returns to the Dark Continent perhaps?)

    Our education level is that of early American high school; yes, a dipshit freshman could operate an AK platform relatively easily but why use multiple platforms for an assault rifle and confuse them...

    Battlefield logistics played into my decision as well. We're facing American-backed forces and there is the possibility of them using the 556 and STANAG mags; captured ammo and mags is not a negative.

    On a related note, out ammunition plant already produces 556; more rounds produced equals less cost per unit. As for the 556 not having a punch- point taken but 75/77/90 grain rounds are available. Let our domestic tech grow in working out a dmr round for the STAR platform for a cartridge we already are tooled u for. I present the MK12, M16A4, M16 SAM-R as evidence of platforms that use the heavier rounds; they've found great success in sending many to their Maker. 500 yds is not an issue for 556.

    Overall, the initial cost will be high, but the benefits in terms of training, domestic logistics, battlefield logistics, domestic tech, and political independence will be greater over the long run. Eventually the higher initial costs will be erased as the longer term benefits are reaped.

    This is my first time posting in /tg/; lurked a long time on the board and these threads. Just trying to help and contriboot.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)03:20 No.17718229
    We should at least build an ammunition factory, shouldn't we? I lean towards importing weapons, but importing ammunition is less obvious. I'd imagine that we wouldn't need such expensive licenses just to produce ammo.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)03:23 No.17718242
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    Israeli Negev LMG. Essentially a Jewish Minimi.
    -556, again logistics and savings in cost-per-unit. Battlefield logistics as well.
    -We have a relationship in buying from Israel.
    -Combat proven in real life. simple. Rugged.
    -Not Russian and comes from a non-aligned nation.

    Not on a Israel binge, but they're a great non-aligned nation with a very good defense industry. As for caliber... I've got nothing except: "556 allows you to carry more ammo and considering the African penchant for spraying and praying, might as well have some more rounds for the same weight- it is a weapon for suppressive fire after all."
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)03:27 No.17718293
    I was under the impression we already had one built and were producing our own ammo...

    And the DMR/LMG decision will essentially be decided by caliber and political costs. Heavier round and closer to Russians and less Zanzi independence or lighter NATO round but using platforms from non-aligned nations. LOL @ Captcha having "Persistency retatru" Maybe it's a sign.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)03:28 No.17718304
    I believe we do have an ammunition factory, as that was one of the domestic factories we agreed to build when our advisors said we should make some.

    I was actually thinking that the INSAS might be a better idea, considering that it would improve Zanzi-India relations.

    Perhaps try to swing a deal with IMI for both the STAR-21 and Negev designs, if they'll give us a discount for licenses for local production?
    We'd buy an initial order of each, and the licenses are for producing spare parts.
    That way, if the US forces Israel to stop selling to us, we can continue to produce our weapons locally.

    Of course, all of this depends on whether the Israeli's will sell to us or not.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)03:38 No.17718368
    The only reason I suggested Israel is because we only have one thing from them. The Russians have sold us a ton of weapons and have access to our military base. The Indians gave us a ton of domestic tech and weapons. I suggested Israel as I think we need to spread out our relationships and loyalties. We don't need to be pulled any closer to Russia or India as we must retain our sovereignty and integrity and avoid undue influence and pressure from them. I think politically we need to branch out and build ties with other nations so we have a pool of nations to draw from, not one or two that we are utterly dependent upon.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)03:55 No.17718509
    And guy, Did we ever buy all those helicopter and planes we lease/lend from Russia?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)04:38 No.17718816
    Israel is pretty closely linked to the US, I thought.
    But you have a point that we should branch out, though I think India's own status as an Unaligned nation, and actually one of the founders of the Unaligned movement, means that we don't have to worry about them as much.

    Also, with SIG spinning off their gun-making to SIG ARMS, a German-owned subsidiary, wouldn't going SIG put us closer to NATO?

    It's just that the weapon selection from among the Unaligned tends to be a little on the sub-par side, when compared to what the big players have in stock.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)05:20 No.17719082
    Do you mean the 10 Hinds and the AWACs?
    Or the MiG-21's?

    The former I think we still need to pay off, but we should have paid up all for the latter.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)05:24 No.17719118
    I don't see why we should distance ourselves from the Russians.

    why not be sort of Canada to the US?

    If a war was to break out, id like to be part of the Red swarms conquering affrica, with us at the forefront, of course.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)10:21 No.17720856
    It's a matter of national pride. We're trying to a strong, modern, secular, and independent state. Not a puppet regime for a superpower.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)11:54 No.17721543
    Speaking of buying Unaligned, do we still want to buy some Super Tucano's?
    Being prop-driven, they have a better loiter time for COIN operations than the MiG-21's, and they're relatively inexpensive.
    They might be good for expanding our border patrol, since that's going to be a concern now.

    Perhaps look into lighter-than-air UAV's? They have a much longer loiter time, and technologically they should be easier to produce than other UAV types.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)12:41 No.17721962
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    Supported 100%. An aircraft that is much better suited to our needs with the ongoing insurgency. Brazil also is a defense industry/trade partner we should look into creating/growing ties with as well.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)12:43 No.17721977

    Alright guys
    I've got an idea

    maybe we stop spending money on the military
    and start spending money on the people
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)12:50 No.17722044
    Becoming closer and closer to the Russians will only make the Americans and their puppets act against us more. We dont want this American-backed insurgency let alone a full-blown regime change courtesy of them.

    Working with nations like India, Brazil, and Israel (though a US ally, they act very independently of the US) allows us to move away from the the larger nations like America/Russia/China and avoid getting dragged into their fighting and proxy conflicts.

    Moving closer to Russia has a very World War 1-esque feel to it in that we will allow ourselves to be come entangled in this web of alliances/puppets/proxies and some smaller nation supported by Russia could cause our nation to destabilize because we are tied to the Russians as well and the Americans/NATO seek to hurt anyone tied to the Russians or destabilize the alliances between Russia and her junior partners.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)12:58 No.17722105
    You're right. Our military is probably more than sufficient as it is, though I do like the Super Tucano idea though enough to press for it to be something we focus on.

    That being said, I apologize for dragging the quest/thread into a military-focused direction. I was trying to just pose an alternative view and probably derailed us.

    Question: Are there people in the mountainous areas in the Northwest where the joint Zanzi-Russian base is? If so, could we feasibly extend the infrastructure created from the base outwards to the rest of the mountain population?

    I ask because a common problem in Africa is one ethnic/geographic group has an advantage and is able to create a higher standard of living while the other group is pushed to the back-burner so to speak. By ensuring infrastructure and a decent/reasonable standard of living is given to all areas/peoples, we reduce the risk of a homegrown insurgency that could be exploited by foreign nations.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)13:11 No.17722207
    We are already sinking significant portions of our budget into education, social programs, infrastructure development, and economic growth.

    All of these projects are taking major portions of our national income.
    The reason we aren't talking so much about them, is because they don't need the babysitting that defense contracts require. They are all progressing at rates which our people can handle and that our budget can tolerate.
    Education takes TIME, even with better teachers, materials, and classrooms. We can't just download the entire contents of a college course into a student; they have to go to the classes, study, take tests, write papers. All of this takes time, regardless of the amount of money we drop into it.

    I understand that the social and economic aspects of our nation are important, but they are progressing as fast as we can make them go. Right now the only thing keeping us from improving faster is the human limit.

    Weapons and manufacturing license contracts we can at least do and see immediate improvements, as well as the political ramifications of our decisions.

    Look at the list of projects we have underway already: >>17703877
    We don't have to discuss them because they're already running smoothly.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)13:15 No.17722250
    >mountain tribes
    We're building our road network as quickly as we can. We've already rounded up all of the homeless, the unemployed, and any refugees that come to our nation and put them to work in accordance with our "Everyone Works, Everyone Eats, Deal With It" policy. If they don't like, they can find a job or leave.

    As for the tribals themselves, they specifically requested to be left alone and continue their way of life. We agreed to respect their decision, and don't interfere, however the door of integration is always open.
    Also we have an active recruitment campaign among the youth of the tribes to join the Army as Pathfinder scouts.

    So we're giving them as much say in the running of the nation as they want, which is very little at the moment.
    >> Dago 01/29/12(Sun)13:22 No.17722316
    Thank you! I wasn't sure if it had been mentioned before or if they were even brought up.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)13:30 No.17722395
    Back in the first thread, the Americans told us to modernize the tribals. We asked the tribals what they thought of that.
    Tribals: Fuck that shit, we like our way of life just fine.
    Zanzi: Welp. There's your answer, America. We're not about to infringe on the rights of a people to determine their way of life. You're welcome to try to convince them yourselves, of course.

    And we didn't hear from America after that.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)13:43 No.17722497
    In the end , I want to be Russia's Israel. Highly independent, but still backed and supported by a world power.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)14:24 No.17722843
    One thing I'd like to know is how the PMC is viewed by our citizens. Usually, mercenaries are not looked kindly upon by a populace.
    But we've made sure that the BlackJets attack only the proper targets, have them provide fire support to citizens fighting off rebels and criminals, and in general they seem to have been doing a good job.

    Also, I'd like to know how the citizens view the military. Are they afraid of the Army and see them as necessary thugs, or are they proud of our professional forces and how they compare to those of our neighbors?

    Finally, how is our Everyone Works, Everyone Eats, Deal With It Policy viewed by our citizens and by the world?
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)14:30 No.17722881
    Why don't we ask America to demodernize some of their poor, civilized people? Life must be terrible for them in that smog-ridden, pest infested wasteland they call a city, having to put them self through hectic and stressful work to earn miniture slips of paper with numbers on them.

    We feel they would be much happier to be set pree in a nomad existence on the great planes, hunting bison, gathering berries, and generally being more tranquil. Its their right as human beings!
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)14:36 No.17722916
    I don't know how our education system's run right now, but I'd like to propose basing it off of Germany's, with the different tracks and levels of higher education. Obviously this is more of a long term goal, but still.

    Also, if we have a high level of cultural tensions (IE: arabs vs. blacks, muslims vs. christians), maybe we'd want to set up some kind of representation for these groups, allowing them to discuss their problems in a public forum (in front of the parliament I assume we have).
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)14:40 No.17722952
    They're called Amish. They make really nice quilts, wooden furniture, and barns.
    >> Anonymous 01/29/12(Sun)14:44 No.17722994
    Alright then, do it the other way around. Demand they modernise the Aamish. Then we can talk about modernising our tribes.

    As much as I'd like to say this to them though, the time has passed and this would just raise tensions another notch.

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