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    754 KB Dictator Quest Part 8-2 Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)03:57 No.17786645  
    Continuation of >>17777781

    Currently, we're attempting to figure out how best to proceed the unveiling of our nanomachine AIDS cure, what we should do with our nanomachine program overall, as well as what to do with an American ship smuggling weapons that ended up in our port(We can legally impound it, its crew, the marines that are illegally aboard it, and the US Patriot systems on it, among other US gear). Among other things. Archived threads at: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?searchall=dictator

    For those of you who are wondering why we aren't talking about what tin-pot military things to do, stay here for the next post, where I break down the Zanzi Armed Forces!
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:04 No.17786690
    If we do impound the American ship, we should destroy all the weapon on it. But with a third party there.(maybe BBC)
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:09 No.17786715
    That would make it harder for the US to criticize us. What are they going to say? "How dare you destroy weapons we were illegally shipping!"
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:12 No.17786730

    Current breakdown of the Zanzian Military:

    ARMY: 12500 men
    Pathfinder Corps : 259 men

    PRIMARY SMALL ARMS : IMI Tavor TAR-21, Negev LMG, PKM GPMG, Dragunov SVD
    MANPADS: SA-2 and SA-18 systems
    Anti-armor: RPG-7, AT-5s
    30 BMP-2s
    3 Companies of BTR 80s and 90s (75/25 split)
    100 Sarath mobile mortars
    100 51mm E-1 Mortars
    12 2S19 Msta-S 152mm Self Propelled Howitzer
    10 BM-21s
    24 SA-22 Greyhound SPAAGs
    24 SA-11 Gadfly SAM systems
    24 SA-12 Gladiator (The SA-20 is the S-400, which we don't have)
    5 SCUD-B Launchers

    Air Force : 24 Pilots, 14 Helo pilots, 47 Trainees
    12 MiG-29 Fulcrums
    6 Su-24M2 Fencers
    8 Su-25 Frogfoots
    20 MiG-21 Fishbeds
    4 MiG-21 Trainers
    22 Mil Mi-24 Hinds
    4 Mil Mi-28 Havocs
    6 Mil Mi-8 Hips
    2 Mil Mi-2s
    5 Cessna 172s (Civvie airframes)
    10 Super Tucanos (COIN aircraft)
    2 Ilyushin Il-78 Aerial Refuelers
    1 Beriev A-50 Mainstay AWACS

    10 Svetlyak class PT boats
    29 fishing boats armed with whatever we have
    1 freighter armed with a 20mm WW2 era BOFORs.

    I don't THINK I forgot anything, but if I did, let me know.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:14 No.17786750
    >12,500 men
    Holy shit! We just cured aids so it's not like we're going to be invaded or anything, but still!
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:15 No.17786762

    Our army currently only has 1 real formation, the 1st Armored Battalion, composed of our 3 BTR companies, our BMP company, and our tank company. The rest of our army is either on foot or technical mounted. Our air force is currently able to perform quite well, given how we shot down a SCUD as it was launching and absolutely shitkicked a rebel base that was operating aforementioned SCUDs with no losses.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:17 No.17786769

    Force buildups take time. We're also going for a professional force with good equipment, not a rabble of AK-wielding, coked up retards. Not to mention our air force is the best in the region, and can probably shitkick anything our ground troops can't handle.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:17 No.17786772
    Yeah, we have a decent military (for the area) overall. Only 12,500 grunts is a heart stopping number though.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:20 No.17786784
    It's been a bit since our army numbers were updated too, so it might be even more now, along with our air force

    Didnt we pick up some 18 or so tanks, T-90s? along with the additional BTRs?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:21 No.17786791

    We got ALL our list, so yes, 19 T-90s, with an ATGM stockpile. 16 line, 2 spares/trainers.
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    >Make list of armed forces

    Yeah, add 18 T-90s with full electronics and ERA, and ATGMs to that list.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:23 No.17786808
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    No armored cars?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:26 No.17786827
    I'm pretty sure we did. They're still training, so I don't think then would be part of an order of battle anyway.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:26 No.17786830
    We have to remember that if we do get into a conflict with Libera, they do have some tanks of their own.
    Less of a threat thanks to our ridiculous air superiority.
    On top of that, maybe we should do some good will to the small country about us, butter some people up before we start flying around in a blimp tossing cures to AIDS needles out.
    Could consider Annexing some territory as the people start to love us.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:27 No.17786835
    Or that, I guess.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:28 No.17786839
    >The rest of our army is either on foot or technical mounted.
    My knowledge of Milatary unit structure and organisation is minimal.
    But couldn't we organise those technicals, and foot guys, get some more light vehicles and make some kind of impromptu motorised infantry regiment? Toyota hilux Calavry brigade?

    Not fantastic, but given who our neigbours are they won't have much competition, and it's better than nothing
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:29 No.17786848
    Annexing a country would get us invaded by everyone. That shit is just not tolerated, unless you're the US or something.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:30 No.17786856
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    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:30 No.17786859

    Liberia isn't a problem, its Nigeria. They're close, and they can still present a threat. Liberia isn't that large in terms of military, and I could probably plan a proper SEAD and bombing campaign that'll reduce them to nothing with a concerted ground attack. Nigeria, though, has a LARGE army, decent air force, and can give us a run for our money, even with superior airframes, pilots, and missiles. Hence, I vote for no offensive operations until our nano-built aircraft laser systems are online.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:32 No.17786869
    Now that I think about it, the country to the north of us is having rebel trouble. Perhaps we could influence the rebels and set up a puppet government.
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    organize some provocations to justify the invasion. Or organize some secessionist movement and then roll in to protect the "will of the people"
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:34 No.17786888

    They're organised into companies and platoons, they just don't have "standard" vehicles like 1st battalion. My current priority for our armed forces is getting a core of well-trained, well equipped troops and building on them to a full, modern army. But we can't afford to buy anything else for a while, even if we should, what with us painting a MASSIVE target on us with our nanite research. We're a VERY good force for the region, though, and I have no doubt we could take any of our immediate neighbours, albeit with casualties. If worse comes to worse, there's probably plans for implosion type nuclear warheads on the internet, and we can build anything out of anything, so we could always build and deploy nuclear weapons as a last resort.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:35 No.17786895
    but the thing with that is, Liberia likely isnt going to give us that chance.
    It's probably seething with everything that's been going on from us, might just punch across the ivory coast and attack us

    We also still wanted to work on more infantry training, increasing the quality of our troops and veterans. Best we have for now is a group of UN Vets and educated tribals with minimal combat experience to what could be in Liberia. Because now that i think about it they have more combat experience when it comes to fighting since they'd been more involved with the Ivory coast than us.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:36 No.17786905

    Our troops were involved in the UN IC mission, as well as some jungle fights with rebels, and the SCUD base attack. We also have our mercenaires helping to train them now.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:39 No.17786925
    >organize some provocations t

    Gaah this. If want to go a 'conquering we need a good reason
    Frame them to make it look like they are funding our rebels, make an international shitfit about it, then have a ''border incident'' that escelates into a full scale war
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:42 No.17786946

    FUN FACT: Liberia WAS funding some of our rebels. We just can't afford a war right now with our civil projects and shit. If we wanted to, we could take Liberia, but we have OTHER problems. Like US Patriot systems sitting in our port, and a mountain of nanite research potentially giving a post-scarcity society, for us and only us. If we can get our nanofabricators working well, we won't NEED territory, since we'd only need mass to manufacture everything we need.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:43 No.17786957
    As I understand, it's mostly normal people sick of their failing economy. So it's more of an Egypt style revolt, rather then a Libyan style. Considering that, the best thing to do is to convince the people that our economy is the best for them. And then wait, either they'll win and our party will gain power. Or, the government will crack down, and we have an excuse to intervene.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:46 No.17786979
    We had only some 500 i think that were in the IC, that is what makes up our Elite and officers. Some jungle fights where mostly sitting around while our ranged suppose pounded them to shit. There was an attack on one of our cities if i can recall which equates to the most experience, and ever then i think we were mostly technicals then.

    Rebel skirmishes in the jungles where mostly our Mercs mopping up those trying to come in or escape, as with the SCUDs, it was another thing of ranged and air support, with the standoff in the caves being the only infantry experience.

    Of which, i'd think only a few thousand of our soldiers have any decent combat experience with the rest getting some training from our Officer made UN troops. Overall disappointing.

    However, the Merc training is very possible, if we consider going to more professional companies, we could find some higher end experts to help with training and advice along with speaking to Putin for veterans to train us. African countries have benefited from US special forces training their troops, but Discipline has been a issue, the second a crisis happens or the trainers are pulled away, everything could collapse.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:47 No.17786982
    That said, any intervention before a serious government crackdown will not be regarded well by the international community.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:48 No.17787000
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    Yes, something like that. But get ready to bail out if big boys like the US show up.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:49 No.17787004

    Actually, we just renegotiated our current merc contract to include training as well as security, so the same mercs who have been in country for years working with our troops are now also helping to train.

    We're opening talks with Russia about sending over some Spetsnaz for our SF unit, but they appear to want stuff for it, so we might not get them.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:51 No.17787009
    Well yeah, no one wants to get slapped around by the us.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:52 No.17787016
    it seems some of them had some 'we were but we werent great' SEALs, but doesnt mean we cant look to hire more mercs for the extra trainingg/logistical standpoint, as our mercs now have been mainly as a fighting force.
    We could look up Triple Canopy, see what they have for specialists available for classes in 'operator'
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:53 No.17787024
    Also, after FINALLY finding a proper force organisation chart detailing a mechanised infantry company, we can ping down the number of BTRs we have:

    36 BTR-80s
    12 BTR-90s

    We actually have enough BMPs to field nearly 2 companies of mech infantry, so I'd suggest nanofabbing 2 more BMP-2s, and then having them form up as an independant mech infantry company.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:54 No.17787030
    I'd rather not rely too much on mercenaries, we supply 40 percent of Russia's oil. I'm sure they could spare some trainers.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:55 No.17787035
    What about the engineering and logistic units? Also, any MPs?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:56 No.17787039

    We don't need more mercenaries, what we have can transition to mainly training and patrols. As it is, they're more of a security risk at sensitive sites since its easier to get an intelligence agent into them. We want Zanzians guarding our reactors, labs, and desalinization plants.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:57 No.17787046
    Can we make something as big as a BMP? I thought there were some serious size/power problems?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:57 No.17787051

    Part of the 12500. Although we should look into purchasing some recovery vehicles and dedicated armored bulldozers...

    Eventually I want us to be able to simply nanofab fighting positions for our future railtanks and whatnot.
    >> Servant of the Emperor 02/03/12(Fri)04:59 No.17787059
    Got a point there on the logistical side, we havent expanded much on an armchair soldier level, we dont even know what kind of radios our guys have, or how secure it is.

    MPs seem only necessary if it was at a hundreds of thousands of soldiers, where we are, the solder next to the guy could just crack them over the head with a rifle butt and drag him to his commanding officer.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)04:59 No.17787060

    Last thread, we made a new RIVER. Its more energy intensive (Takes energy off our grid of reactors), BUT, we can do it. We haven't because it'd raise too many questions, but 2 BMPs can be explained as a small acquisition to enhance our forces.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)04:59 No.17787061
    >With the temporary loss of Russia's northern oil possibilities and the loss of Iran's production capabilities at this time, 40% of Russian oil comes from Zanzia (us).

    >With that, I shall sleep... and leave you all with the debate of what Russia being dependent-ish on you means for your future, amongst the other topics.

    How is that even possible? Russia is a major oil producer and exporter.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:04 No.17787090
    Idea: Nanofab something that *looks* like a Soviet Block era BM-2 but in reality is much more advanced. As far as the rest of the world knows we got our mits on a pair of antique APCs wheras in reality we have top of the line ones
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:05 No.17787100
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    Fair enough.

    I have no idea, but we should ride this horse as far as it will take us.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:06 No.17787108

    Our current BMP-2s are actually newer models. I'm against deployed nano-developed weapons systems until we at least have anti-missile lasers and aircraft laser cannons, and if possible, some way to counter F-22s, preferably with a supercharged version of IRST/OLS, allowing us to take on anyone who decides we can't keep our nanotech. Once we have lasers, railguns, and nanofabricators, we can make some new thorium reactors to power them, and use the waste as fabricator fuel. After that, we build a navy, and air force, and armored vehicles to new specs.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:07 No.17787113
    I don't think we want to get anywhere near a war just yet. In our airforce we have 26 late-gen aircraft (two more than our number of pilots) in addition of 20 more attack craft. Add to that 26 attack helicopters and 8 transport (to 14 pilots), 13 support craft and 9 trainers and we have more airframes than we have pilots.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:09 No.17787120

    We agree with you. We've got 47 trainees, though, and some should be ready when Grand Leader shows up again. With our new university, we should also see an increase in officers and pilots, too, hopefully.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:09 No.17787121
    I don't think we have the blueprints to make an advanced IFV. That's not a bad idea, we just don't have the tech, yet.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:11 No.17787139
    Or I'm a giant dumb. whichever.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:11 No.17787142
    No idea, but apparently scotland also became an importer and wanted refined and not crude oil, despite Aberdeen being the place where a majority of the oil of the Northern Sea is handled.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:13 No.17787160
    Still, even included trainees that's more airframes than pilots. 102 airframes to 38+47 personell...
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:13 No.17787167
    This trips me out too. Maybe Zanzia should've been a major oil exporter for Europe.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:14 No.17787172

    Yeah, some crazy shit.

    I could imagine this happening 30, 40 years into the future but not 5 years.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:16 No.17787180

    Did you include our refuelers and Mainstay in that? They aren't piloted by fighter pilots.

    And yes, but the Fishbeds I don't think we'll want to use unless we absolutely have to, and I doubt we'll need to sortie ALL our modern airframes at once unless the shit really hits the fan, and even then, we can have the trainees fly the frogfeet, since they're more forgiving and heavily armored. We also have started heavy cohesion drills for our air force, so hopefully we'll have more pilots soon. We might no have had many because of our limited airframes. With our new influx of materiel, we can start a recruiting campaign.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:18 No.17787192
    How does the Zanzian economy actually work? I think it's some kind of technocratic state capitalism but does anyone know for sure?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:20 No.17787203

    As far as I can tell, its a mix of private companies producing what people want, our national oil platforms, gold mines, occasional nanofabb'd gold, and tourism.

    So basically, whatever gets us money without being corrupt or detrimental to our society
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:20 No.17787213
    I don't see any listing of civilian pilots accompanying our airforce, so for an airframe-to-personell ratio it feels totally acceptable to have them included. And yes, we will probably not use the Fishbeds, but I think what my point is still stands.

    We need more pilots.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:22 No.17787225

    We always need more pilots. But we can work with what we have. If worse comes to worse, we can talk to our Russian friends or India and see about borrowing some active pilots or ganking some retired or reserve pilots. Or, if they exist in this reality, Mercenary Air Forces (Like BlackFlag.)
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:23 No.17787234
    Didn't we have some PMC aircraft in one of the earlier threads?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:24 No.17787240

    Not fast movers, mostly transport and recon.

    I'm referring to Planes and Mercs levels of mercenaries. The kind that can fly into a foreign country with 4 airframes, and cripply a city in one sortie.
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    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:41 No.17787341
    So, back to "current" events. How should we handle that freighter in port? I'm unsure as to what America's response would be to us impounding their shipment of smuggled weapons and potentially arresting their marines.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:43 No.17787358
    >If they exist in this reality

    So many out-of work pilots in this economy, put an add in *Flight* magazine and you'll get replies
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:45 No.17787374

    Trained fighter pilots, capable of operating Russian fighters AND running SEAD, CAS, air to air, and AShW?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:46 No.17787381
    I think that we should invite the BBC over and destroy the weapons. There's no need to arrest the marines, just send them home. The ship as well. There really isn't any room for the US to criticize us this way. Plus, by destroying the weapons, we avoid looking like war mongers.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)05:49 No.17787396

    Arresting marines?

    They'll be out for blood but since this IS black Ops, their hands will be tied.

    But we have to do so if we want to do anything. This, however, should be undertaken by our police forces. This is a civil and legal problem. By using our equivalent of SWAT to seize the ship and its cargo, we give the impression of enforcement, not aggression.

    The key will be Public Relations. Since we have the BBC in town, we can call them in for an exclusive, which, considering the material, WILL be broadcast worldwide.

    What we have to do is announce that the US Flagged ship has been impounded smuggling weapons through our port and that our customs officials and Police Forces have seized the ship and arrested the crew.

    We have to let the crew have access to the weapons to film what they're doing.

    We'll accuse the crew of weapon proliferation and war profiteering in the African continent, destabilising the region. As such the crew will be charged in court and their items impounded.

    The response of the US will be key. I they refuse to acknowledge that the soldiers were there undercover, they cannot do anything without blowing the cover that they were attempting to smuggle weapons.

    If they do acknowledge that the marines are theirs and they were responsible, then it's another story.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:50 No.17787401

    We'd destroy the weapons anyways, unless there was a buyer for them who needed them and actually looked good in the international community.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:52 No.17787419
    Of course, I meant that we should destroy the weapons in front of BBC cameras. That way the US can't accuse us of shenanigans.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:52 No.17787423

    Arrest the marines because they're undeclared passengers, not because they're smuggling. Since there ARE known undeclared marines on the ship with US gear, I'm personally favoring a SWAT raid with SF support from our gunships (4 Hinds, and a Havoc or two, with Fulcrums orbiting in a racetrack with AShMs)

    The US has been fucking with us since the start (CIA funded rebels, potential black ops insertions from a C-130 we shot down)
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:54 No.17787432

    No no, invite the BBC to see us destroy the weapons, have the marines appear briefly in court (being filmed all the while), then have the Great Leader intervene personally to free the marines in the interests in world peace, saying that he trusts the Americans to deal out proper justice to those men who were clearly operating outside of official channels. Blame the court appearance on over eager local officials.

    We humiliate the Yanks and look awesome on the world stage.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)05:55 No.17787443
    Absolutely agree. No good can come from actually arresting the marines.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)05:56 No.17787450

    They are plain clothed. That means they're trying to hide their identity.

    By accusing them of smuggling weapons, we force the US to have to intervene and expose their cover if they wish to save them.

    Then should the US come out and demand their return and the weapons systems. We can plausibly act surprised that they were actual servicemen and then extradite them.

    If they refuse to acknowledge them, all the better. Throw them in the slammer.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)05:57 No.17787459
    Also, related to the ship. After this, we should probably look into getting some ASuW helicopters, air-droppable torpedoes, and sonar buoys. I have no doubt the US will station something near or inside our waters in retaliation for this. We'll also need to start camouflaging our operations from satellite surveillance.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:03 No.17787497

    If the Yanks want to put something in our waters, they'll put something in our waters. Lets not even bother doing anything to stop them.. cause that'll lead to them bringing democracy to our people.

    Same with camouflaging our operations from satillites. They'll get the information one way or another. Except for critical missions, we shouldn't bother.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:06 No.17787517

    Yeah, but it'll slow them. We need to buy time will our nano-based tech is mature enough to survive combat deployments. Plus, they're kinda busy after Iran and the Polar shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:15 No.17787566
    I think our primary concerns should be the following: Expanding out internal security. It's only a matter of time before out Nano Technology gets out, but we should hold that off for as long as possible. Along those lines, we need to expand the economy as fast as possible. We're going to have a huge boost from the Nano tech, but that won't last forever. I'm not a hundred percent sure how do this, perhaps using the central bank to stimulate important sectors of the economy, or introducing 3 or 5 year plans or something. But if depend on the nano tech sector of our economy we'll be in trouble when it gets out into the wild.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:20 No.17787589

    We're about to go public with our AIDS cure, so they'll know.

    What WE know is that we can make ANYTHING with our nanites, so we can go post-scarcity if we want to, it's just without our military able to DEFEND us, other nations can just come in and TAKE it. Its basically become a race between our weapons technology and enemy intelligence and research getting their mitts on our precious nanotech. If we can get our DDGs, aircraft lasers, and laser CIWS up, we'll be effectively untouchable. (Our DDG would basically be a railgun turret, laser turret, 2 laser CIWS, and standard missiles.)
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:23 No.17787605
    Should we go Jonas Salk mode and make AIDs cure free and patent-less.

    ...Though, I guess that is for NeoTekz to decide but I think we have much clout to influence their decision.
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    You need to protect your nano-research from industrial espionage as much as possible.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:25 No.17787618

    Free to African states, at cost to European/American states.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:27 No.17787622
    We'd also need to have a talk with the leaders of NeoTekz to discuss their short and long term goals and motivations.

    Our fates are getting more and more entwined and i'd like to work with them instead of suddenly realising that we're running counter to what they're looking for and they leave Zanzi.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:27 No.17787629

    Or have the UN get EVERYONE to pay the cost to give it to everyone. Every country pays to help cure AIDS. Then we take our and Neotekz's techs and distribute the cure with specially designed dead-end nanites that make it more difficult to reverse-engineer them.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:29 No.17787645
    That would be biased. Besides patent-less does not necessarily mean free just that it will be cheap and available to all and that we will not make much profit from it.
    On the other hand, this will be a giant plus in favor of Nano-tech and other "controversial" research (stemcell research and whatever). Also, being know as the nation that ended AIDs (for free) other countries even superpowers like USA would find it EXTREMELY hard to make any moves against Zanzia without having entire world against them.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:29 No.17787646
    They'll know we can do it, but not how we can do it. And while I agree it's important to have a strong military, it's even more important to have a strong economy. No one in Africa will invade the country giving out a cure for aids that's cheap as free. There's also no way we'll be able to fight the US anytime soon. But this is a once in a lifetime chance to become a major player on the world stage. For as long as we have a monopoly on nano technology we'll be a major power. But what about when it leaks out? We'll have to create an economy (and military) which will allow us to be a major power, even when the economies we're competing against also have nano tech. You presented a viable path for us to gain military power, but without economic power we'll wither and die.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:30 No.17787651

    Get the dead end nanites patented. That alone will be worth about a few decades of 100% market share.

    The UN is overstretched as it is, it's not gonna be able to fund that much for the cure.

    I support charging the rich and offering it subsidised to the poor.

    Rich man tax, fuck year.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:32 No.17787670
    >Implying China cares about patents.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:33 No.17787675

    We're doing well economically, as it stands, only like 20% of our economy is military spending, and about 15% is going to our banks and a liquidity fund. We're doing well economically, we just don't have a world-shattering economy. Our gold mines and oil fields are supplying a good deal of GDP to us. Tourism is als decent thanks to Black Superman and our general kickassery after the SCUD attack.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:34 No.17787682
    China's the least of your problems if you actually expect to try and charge wealthy Americans more than wholesale for something.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:35 No.17787687

    They can try to take our nanites, but Neotekz already has dissassemblers working. If we're about to go down, we can always go psycho and threaten to grey-goo the planet. Or fab a few dozen imposion warheads and leave our country a radioactive wasteland.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:36 No.17787690

    >Implying china will be able to reverse engineer them

    I meant as a cure, stateside. Get it licensed by the USFDA.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:37 No.17787697
    Everything you say is correct. But my point is that we have a chance to have a world shattering economy. If we don't take this opportunity, then when other nations gain the nano tech we'll be back to where we are now.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:38 No.17787706

    I'm agreeing with you, I've been pushing selling and renting nanotech terraforming and whatnot for a few threads now.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:40 No.17787722
    >Implying china can't
    Not right away I'd imagine. But give them five or ten years, and they'd crack the secrets.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:41 No.17787727

    By that point we'll have space elevators, orbital habitats, and our combat tech will be on top of the world, and STAY there. Hell, we might be terraforming the moon by then.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:43 No.17787740

    Not if the cure nanites are being constructed using builder nanites.

    That means they have to develop the builder nanite system from the ground up, repeated NeoTekz's work.

    And i'd bet money that will not be their first idea so they flounder about for another decade or two on the wrong path.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:45 No.17787753
    Why would we terraform the moon? There's nothing to mine and not that much room. Plus the low gravity would be hell on your bones. If we're going to do a mega project we would be better off greening the Sahara desert. That would massively increase food security and make us look pretty boss.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:46 No.17787759
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    In addition, offer it free to European/American states that want to give us something. For example, SAS trainers from the UK, or critically injured Japanese girls who will end up leading our special forces after a few augmentations. Ahem.

    Lets cure the world, people.

    (Also, give the exclusive interview announcing the project to the BBC. They've been great friends, and this exclusive will ensure they are even better friends for the future)
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:48 No.17787776

    Because then we can claim the moon as ours. And we can do both at once. I'm just saying, once we have a space elevator, we will OWN orbit.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:48 No.17787777
    What would stop them from repurposing the builder nanites? And anyway, my point is that we should set up our economy so that it's not dependent on a nano machine monopoly. Because that won't last forever.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:48 No.17787779

    While I do love the idea of a space program, lets concentrate on African affairs for the moment. Our Great Leader will be worshipped like a god for ushering in a new golden age of prosperity and peace with the nanotech in Africa.

    Everything, for now, should go on curing the AIDS crisis. That's step one.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:49 No.17787783

    Well duh, but 5-10 years is a LONG time when we can literally shit out gold from sand and have functional nanotech and a massive edge on everyone else in the field.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:52 No.17787800

    We only making available the dead end cure nanites.

    The builder ones won't be included, so they won't have access to it.

    Not unless they do espionage on our tech facility.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:53 No.17787811

    This. The builder nanites are currently only in our labs, and our rivercave facility.

    all under extreme guard.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)06:55 No.17787835
    Referring to our military as someone asked/mentioned above, we do need more pilots, but I stress that our Military is an all volunteer force, and we are aiming for it to be a highly trained and motivated force. The Army is shaping up nicely, but a 2nd Armoured Regiment would be really nice to add to our operational and theatre level firepower.

    Also, are we going to name our units as Regiments (Old British/Russian way) or Brigades (New British, Commonwealth/US Armed Forces way)?

    At this point, with 12,500 men, we have:
    -1 Armoured Cavalry Regiment (1 Company of T-90s, 2 Companies of BTR-90's, 1 Company BTR-80's, 1 Battery of M219S Self Proppelled Howitzers, a Flight (4) of Havoc Attack Helicopters and the Mobile Anti-Air assets at Regimental Level.).
    -We also have a standalone Company of Mechanized Infantry in BMP-2's.
    -Our Scout Corps/Pathfinders are Helicopter Infantry, with a company of men in our Hinds.
    -That leaves enough men - minusing Rear Echelon types, to form a light Division of Light Infantry, 2 Brigades/Regiments. Light Infantry fight in the field on foot, and are transported into the field via Trucks, Technicals, other vehicles and Walking. They are the grunts.
    Fuck it, Imma post up our order of battle.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)06:59 No.17787850
    Personally, I don't think we should go public yet.

    Yes, it's a dick move, but we need time to build up the security of our nation first in order to ensure that the US or China or whoever doesn't barge in, grab the Nanotech and just exploit it for personal gain.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)06:59 No.17787852

    Uh, our formation is bigger, dude. Since we can't afford more armor, 1st Battalion has 2 battalions worth of anti-air, and regimental-level systems in the form of S-300s.

    Ideally, our 1st Armor regiment would be 3 Battalions plus HQ, each Battalion being a BMP company, T-90 company, and 3 BTR companies, along with 2 Mortar batteries and battery each of Pantsirs and gadlfies, with HQ holding our SPG batteries, S-300s, and some extra SPAAG and SAM batteries.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:00 No.17787861
    Here's what our Army Order of Battle looks like:
    ---Zanzi 1st Division---
    -Zanzi 1st Armoured (Cavalry? Rifles?) Battalion?Regiment
    *1st Armoured Company (Tanks, duh)
    *2nd Mechanized Infantry Company (BTR's)
    *3rd Mechanized Infantry Company (BTR's)
    *4th Mechanized Infantry Company (BTR's)
    *2nd Artillery Company (M219S Self Propelled Howitzer's)
    *1st Anti-Air Battalion (SA-22's)
    *(Number __) Attack Helicopter Squadron (Havoc's) (Here I stress Organic Attack Heli Support. It stays with the Armour, to support it. Air Force gets all other targets.)

    -Zanzi 1st Light Infantry Brigade?Regiment
    *1st Battalion, A-C Companies.
    *2nd Battalion, D-F Companies.
    *3rd Battalion, G-I Companies.

    -Zanzi 2nd Light Infantry Brigade?Regiment
    *4th Battalion, A-C Companies.
    *5th Battalion, D-F Companies.
    *6th Battalion, G-I Companies.

    -Standalone Divisional Elements
    *1st Mechanized Infantry Company (BMP-2's)
    *1st Artillery Company (BM-21 Katyusha's)
    *2nd Anti-Air Battalion (SA-11's)
    *3rd Anti-Air Battalion (SA-12's)
    *1st Mobile Mortar Battalion, A-C Companies (Sarath Mortar Carriers, BMP Chassis)
    *3rd Artillery Company (SCUD's) (Can be renamed, as SCUDS are Not Really Conventional Artillery!!!)

    ---Pathfinder Corps---
    *1 Company mounted in Hinds (Airborne/Elite Helicopter Infantry) (PICK THEIR NAME GUYS!)

    Air Force Order of Battle to follow shortly.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:00 No.17787867
    5 to ten years may seem like a long time, but the united states has been around for over two hundred. And anyway, if we shit gold out for five year it won't be worth anything.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:00 No.17787868
    Haha, no. You cannot claim the moon or any other extra-terrestrial objects. Otherwise USA would have already claimed the Moon and maybe Mars even too.
    And no, you cannot just go there build a base and say the place is yours. Also, space cannot be militarized.

    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:01 No.17787873
    It may be worth it just to fuck with the gold bugs though.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:02 No.17787883

    I disagree, as our BMPs should be in our mechanised formation, as they provide support a BTR just can't in the form of intimidation.

    We also have nearly 2 companies worth of BTRs. If you look at our formations, we'd only need to fab 2 more BMPs to be able to field 2 companies.

    I personally think my force organisation leaves more flexibility, since it allows each battalion to effectively operate on its own, especially if we can get a larger ammo box built, that allows replication of ALL our ordnance.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:04 No.17787895
    You might be right.

    Also, we need to stop fabricating Gold.
    Shit, if the word gets out that it is possible to make gold out of dirt then the entire financial system of the world will collapse and the world will be ushered into another Great Crisis.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:05 No.17787902

    We only made a BIT of gold. I'm simply using it as a stark example of what we can do.

    We're mostly using it to make a new river, and food.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:05 No.17787905
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    >Company mounted in Hinds
    Hinds aren't good as transport helos, passengers really limit it's maneuvrability.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:06 No.17787912
    Well ok, it depends on how you want to fight the ground war. I would prefer our forces to be Brigade/Divisional based, as it allows the Army to fight more cohesively.

    You seem to favor a a smaller scale approach of Battalion sized formations. THis is ok for smaller actions, such as deploying for raids and peacekeeping, but for war, you'll need Brigades and up. Our enemies will certainely be using Brigade level forces.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:06 No.17787916

    FAA has it wrong. My current list has only our SF platoon in our Hinds. We're currently looking to expand our SF helo infantry to a larger formation to take advantage of our Hips and potential Spestnaz trainers.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:07 No.17787918
    Still, the fact that it is possible will plummet the gold value HARD.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:07 No.17787922
    Considering the head of our intelligence agency is a former KGB who meets with Putin every so often, I wouldn't be so confident. But you do have a point about the builder nanites, I had misunderstood you. That will be a significant delay. But the fact that they have nanites at all means they will eventually figure out how they work.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:09 No.17787930

    Battalion sized for now, yes, due to our army size right now. Our 1st Armored Regiment will be 3 Battalions liek the 1st currently is + HQ (Probably with another couple tank companies) and Frontal Aviation assets. I'm simply stating that the battalion level formation I'm going for has better independent operating ability, and until we can field multiple regiments, battalions are probably going to be our go-to unit.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:09 No.17787932
    Oh my bad, I assumed the whole pathfinder Corps was being trained up to become our Elite Mobile Infantry, deployable on a moments notice via Hinds and Hips, supported by the Hinds and whatever Air Force Assets make it up in time.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:09 No.17787934
    True dat.

    BTW, there is no such thing as ex-KGB. This is literally a job from which you cannot retire.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:10 No.17787939
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    They'll be better off in Hips with Hind as support.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:11 No.17787949

    That is true. Russia will probably be the second in nanite tech behind us, but as long as we keep feeding resources to Neotekz they should be able to maintain a lead we can work with. So long as we can defend our labs from espionage and direct attack, we'll be able to become a superpower via technology, not military gains(Although our army will defidently be the best on the planet by that point, if our railgun and laser programs work right)
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:12 No.17787950
    Not to be rude but I see two major problems with what your idea: How are we going to build a military which could win a war against the US or China without obviously using Nano tech and what could give us more security then being the country giving out free food, water, and AIDS cure. Anyone who invaded us would be a pariah.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:12 No.17787952
    Wow, you really are gunning for a very Russian Style set up. I like you alot more now. Do you appreciate the russian doctrines of warfare, at the Strategic Manevoure levels?

    I may disappear for a while, as I'm going to write up the Air Force Squadrons and Battle Order.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:13 No.17787960
    You're right, I misspoke.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:15 No.17787969

    I'm not familiar enough with the concept, I'm more of a tactical planner than a full campaign guy. You want me to plan an airstrike on Monrovia that'll destroy their air defense and cripple their command structure? With our air force? I'll have it done within 30 minutes. A full campaign? Probably not. I'm also not as strong on ground tactics as aerial combat. I can appreciate the science behind Russian strategy as it is now, and we can learn a lot from it, especially the concerted attacks on logistics units, HQs, and supply lines at the same time as a front-line attack.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:21 No.17788000
    One thing we should do once the nano tech really gets going is work on our navy. Even a smallish craft with lasers and rail gun will be able to inflict serious damage. And if we're going to be a major power we'll need to able to project force in a major way.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:24 No.17788012

    See previous thread, I'm pushing for, first, a laser CIWS and laser cannon armed frigate with conventional missiles, and then a DDG with a railgun, laser cannon, and laser CIWS's.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:24 No.17788016

    >destructor rounds: eats away any metal it comes in contact with

    Damn, oneshotting a carrier
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:24 No.17788018
    I've been thinking about that, didn't Russia offer us to lease a Frigate a couple of years back? Perhaps we could buy it and use it as a platform...

    Or ask if Sweden would like to sell one of those Visby corvettes (fat chance).
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:25 No.17788022
    Zanzi Air Force Order of Battle:
    -Air Warfare Wing
    *1st Squadron- 10 MiG-21bis Fishbed's
    *2nd Squadron- 10 MiG-21bis Fishbed's
    *3rd Squadron -12 MiG-29 Fulcrum's

    -Aerial Support Wing
    *8th Squadron- 2 Ilyushin Il-78 Aerial Refueler's, 1 Beriev A-50 Mainstay AWAC's

    -Tactical Support Wing
    *4th Squadron- 8 Su-25 Frogfoot's
    *6th Squadron- 6 Su-24M2 Fencer's
    *7th Squadron- 10 Super Tuccano's (COIN/FAC)

    -Training Wing
    *Fighter Conversion Squadron- 4 MiG-21 Trainers
    *Basic Flight Squadron- 5 Cessna 172s (Civvie airframes)
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:25 No.17788023

    No, anon. We're not making nanite warheads. That's got WAAAY too much potential for a WMD claim and us being bombed to the stone age by EVERYONE. Plus, there's always a chance of a grey-goo scenario.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:25 No.17788024
    Sorry, I must have missed it. seems like you've got it covered then.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:29 No.17788048
    I would presume that so far only 3rd, 4th and 5th are at operational capability with our pilots primarily assigned to these. The trainees I presume are still partly in the training unit as well as a couple assigned to 1st, 2nd and 6th in case of war.

    I do suspect that if we would be using the Tucanos for COIN missions outside wartime that we would transfer trained pilots from 4th and 5th temporarily rather than assigning it an all-rookie crew.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:31 No.17788054
    Eh, I missed that we seem to have skipped 5th squadron, so all "5th"s should be "6th" and the "6th" should be "7th"
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:31 No.17788056
    Damn it, forgot to say that I believe that our Helicopters should be handed off to the Army, they are the ones using them. The Air Force is Fixed wing, rotaries are designed to support the grunts quite closely.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:31 No.17788060

    We'd use whatever was needed. Until we have enough pilots to assign one to every plane, they fly what we need. If that means fishbed patrols or Fencer SEAD runs, so be it.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:33 No.17788069

    They're technically "Air Force", but they're Frontal Aviation, so they're basically army. But with everything being "air force" it'll simplify training. You want to fly? Go air force, and you'll go where you fly best.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:33 No.17788075
    I thought our helicopters were already under the control of the army?
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)07:41 No.17788121

    Air force will need some helis for CSAR and other stuff.

    I also hope this arrangement wont lead to the current day shitstorm statewide of the USAF wanting to decommission 5full squadrons of A-10s and let that bastard child of the F-35 do CAS.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:41 No.17788123

    Oh, FAA, I'm assuming you've read the latest report.

    What's your opinion on the nanites and the US freighter?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:43 No.17788132

    Air-force is all aircraft. Frontal Aviation is helicopters. Helos are effectively army, since they're subordinate to it. Su-25s are, and will always be, Air Force.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:45 No.17788140
    Actually even today smaller crafts >>> huge crafts.

    Things like aircraft carriers are floating scrap metal in real combat scenarios.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)07:47 No.17788152
    Well, you lot are going apeshit over the nanites, but I agree. We need to keep them as hush hush as possible. We release, at cost price, the AIDS cure to the world. We also release talormade units to buyers as they order. Keep the weapons applications of it secret, as part of contracts buyers are not allowed to analyse the nanites. Deadend versions, with selfdestruct, blah blah blah.

    As for the freighter, the Yanks are on a hair trigger in the North Sea, and we are a friend/ally of Russia. Let the ship, cargo and crew go with a STERN warning that next time they WILL be jailed for a long long time, and the ship+cargo impounded.

    Also, new Air Force Order of Battle coming up, modelled on Russian Frontal Aviation.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)07:49 No.17788170
    Might I suggest keeping a few of the patriots if we impound the ship so we can reverse engineer them? I couldn't hurt to be able to nanite construct a few in a time of crisis.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:52 No.17788184
    I don't think we'd be able to make a whole missile. We could only do it one part at a time. It would be much faster, and basically free, but we couldn't shove some dirt in and have a complete missile come out the other side.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)07:53 No.17788190

    We have SA-15s, SA-22s, SA-18s, SA-11s, among others. Our air-defence is modern and better than probably anyone else in Africa. The stuff in the lists? Yeah, that's only mobile army units. We have a full static air-defence net too.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:54 No.17788193
    More importantly if we stole missiles from the US they get pretty pissed.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)07:55 No.17788202
    Mabeh a middle ground should be taken with the cargo ship, just confront them ''they fuck is this shit?, gtfo of our country'' but don't take it any further, make it clear that we won't stand for this shit but don't actually rustle their jimmies so to speak
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)07:56 No.17788204

    Well, its really a moot point since we're handling all military acquisitions.

    US problem really is:
    >chAir Force HAET ground attack planes, love zoom zoom
    >Wants to kill Hog, replace with F-35
    >Army says, F-35 is SHIT for CAS (which it is)
    >Army aviators cant take the Hogs as fixed wing are chAirForce ONLY and they refuse to give up that god given right.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:00 No.17788229
    Are they undeclared? I though what plain clothes meant was that they were sailors on the ship, who also happened to be marines. They were mixed into the crew. I didn't know it was necessary to disclose any military history when entering a country.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:03 No.17788240

    Nope, them, the Patriots, and the other gear are ALL undeclared.

    I personally think we should seize and destroy the gear, and let the crew, marines and ship go with a very public rebuking. I can only think of ONE reason to be shipping primarily SAMs to our little corner of the world, arming our enemies against our air force, so it'll be that much harder to retaliate when they attack us.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:06 No.17788261
    Why is everyone so worried about the US or China stepping in to steal our nanites? We supply 40% of Russia's oil. I'm pretty sure that they would take disrupting that as an act of war. I don't think anyone wants to start anything like that.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:07 No.17788267

    Its already getting heated, dude. And Russia might be the one stealing our nanites.

    Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:08 No.17788272
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:09 No.17788280
    Russia, being dependent on us for 40% of their oil, would mean that they would be the first ones to try to reverse engineer the nanotechnology so they can create their own oil-rig-in-a-box.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)08:10 No.17788281
    This, so very this. I agree with you on this whole heartedly after re-reading the thread. I just don't want to spark the USA.

    Just remember, of the 11 active US Navy Carrier Battle Groups, 2 are in China/Taiwan, 2 are ALWAYS in teh Gulf, 1 is on standdown/R&R, 3 are in the North Sea. Thats 8 CBG's, with 3 patrolling the rest of teh world. Don't forget the US Marine Corp Ampib Groups, they've got 2 of em, able to be anywhere in the world in UNDER 72hours and dropping something like 3,000 Marines with Armour, Air and Artillery.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:10 No.17788285
    IIRC they were headed to South Africa, although who knows about that...
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:13 No.17788297
    iirc China is currently a major drought. We could make some big money selling them the water producing Nano machines.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)08:13 No.17788299
    It doesn't add up.

    Why would the US have a ship with SAMs meant to kill our planes stop a tour port?

    It's a god damn trap, they want us to cause shit.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:14 No.17788308

    If they decide to start sending shit our way, we have a legitimate cassus belli to get us AND allies involved. Like Russia. And we have the AIDs cure trump card. We'll need to do the press coverage right, but since they do have 3 CBGs in the Atlantic, minimum, we have to be careful (Although the US lost a carrier in-universe to Iran)

    If we think the US is coming for us, I think we should devote ALL resources to nanolaser and stealth detection nanites, to allow us near-perfect air defence, and to release terraforming nanites to create a layered fortification and bunker complex to house our troops to hold out for as long as possible until we can start fabbing lasertanks and railguns. But that's absolute worst case. The international heat from this should keep the US off our backs for a little while, at least.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:15 No.17788320

    Their ship was damaged, they put in because of it. This wasn't a scheduled stop.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:37 No.17788451
    Bumping for discussion.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)08:38 No.17788457
    Any plans for development of domestically designed and produced weapons?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)08:40 No.17788471

    Conventional? fuck no. Laser and railgun based?

    You bet your fucking ass.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)08:43 No.17788499
    Alright. But while I'm here I may as well ask.
    I have been working on running a couple of nation builders in the same vein as this game. But I have two problems.
    1. I have a broken hand and cant draw a map worth fuck.
    2. I cant seem to generate much interest.

    Any suggestions?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:00 No.17788594
    Running a quest takes a huge amount of effort, if you're not really interested I wouldn't bother. That said, an unusual premise can go a long way. Dictator quest has modern times covered pretty well, and fantasy quests are a dime a dozen. A sci-fi setting could be interesting. Or perhaps the Soviet Union right after the revolution? Can your players modernize a hideously backwards country while fighting off the invaders (14 countries, including the USA) and do so in a democratic way? I don't think anyone cares how good the maps look. Iron Quest was done without any maps at all IIRC. You seem like a sharp enough fellow, if you put thought and follow the six Ps, I'm sure it'll work out.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:13 No.17788657
    I had two ideas.
    One was Canada becoming an Empire in the 2020s. Familiar enough to the players but still far enough into the future to make it interesting.
    The other surrounds a tropical island nation just after they toppled a American supported government that killed and oppressed their people but also had a equally repressive Socialist Regime during the cold war so the leadership needs to walk a fine line between the political left and right in regards to the people anyway. The complaint in this one was "No map" as I tried running this one.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:30 No.17788735
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    The Canadian Empire seems pretty interesting. Plus you could just scribble on goggle earth maps and save some hassle. One problem would by explaining why the US doesn't just lean over bitch slap Canada. But once you work that out it should be okay.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:32 No.17788748
    Still a part of Nato.
    The US is Economically crippled after Saudi Arabia got shit kicked by Iran. Us is hooked on Canadian Oil.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:34 No.17788754
    Oh and NAFTA along with other treaties are still in effect.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:34 No.17788755
    Also something I've noticed in quests in something I like to call "None of us are as dumb as all of us." That is, the players working together will come up with a much dumber plan then if you had them one on one. So you may want to start on easy mode and let them make some mistakes without too harsh a reaction. Also, never forget the ever useful "Are you sure?" in case of a really dumb plan.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:37 No.17788771
    That was the general plan. Work them up so a sort of "Safe zone" so to speak before they get kicked in the jewels.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:37 No.17788774
    Alright then! Seems like you put some thought into this.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:39 No.17788785
    Well i could fire up a thread right now if more then one of you is interested?
    Need to work on a couple things before its ready but its mostly just numbers research.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:43 No.17788814
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    I don't know if I'll be able to participate. I don't really come by that often. I won't stop you from trying though.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)09:46 No.17788828
    I need to get some sleep, good luck with your quest New Canadian Empire.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:47 No.17788831
    it would be open to all.
    I would also like to extend an invitation to all the others here.
    Fleet Admiral Anon, Aviationfag, Doc and the rest.
    >> Fleet Admiral Anon 02/03/12(Fri)09:52 No.17788865
    I suppose you could count me in, but I work random hours and am not always on /tg/.
    East Ausfag, +11GMT atm, but I'm usually on around midnight block and during the day.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)09:54 No.17788882
    Same here, my hours are erratic at best and to top it off I have a hand I cant use.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)10:16 No.17789007
    Well, if we are going to go full Mad Pseudonazi Science with these Nanobots then I guess we should hire some anthropologists and biologists from overseas to include in our projects. When this stuff can just make up anything as long as you pump voltage into it then I guess one could make it weave some sort of fiber into human bones to make them more resistant to blows, or subdermal collagen kevlar nets and toughness enhancers. Both already encountered in nature, see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodilian_armor and pic related.
    See that spongy inner stuff? When you shatter it slightly and give it some time to grow back together it becomes much harder and solid. This is the way martial arts champions can hit so much harder than untrained people; their bones just had to put up with much more abuse and are tougher as a result. If you'd make the nanos crack the insides of the bones slightly then I guess that would lead to something akin growth pains in puberty but would pay off a lot in the long run. Should only be used on adults though, given that it could stunt any natural growth that has yet to occur in children/adolescents.

    Also reusing old name from Bug Quest like 10 months ago. Wonder if anyone still recognizes me.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)10:18 No.17789028
    @ work, catching up. New post soon.

    Also Aviationfag is a bro.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)10:18 No.17789029
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    Forgot pic.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)10:52 No.17789268
    Bumping this.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)11:27 No.17789526
    nother bump
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)11:44 No.17789633
    Is there some way that we can use the nanobots to make better civilian vehicles? I'm thinking either cars/bikes that don't need gas/can run off of some invented clean fuel source, or use far less energy & gas than normal.

    If we need money, that's a huge potential source of revenue - and it can later be used to improve craft in our armed forces.

    Also, how is our wind farming going?
    >> SEPTEMBER 2017 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)11:48 No.17789664
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    -NeoTekz says it will join as a national corporation -if- it can keep its international identity and that the executives will have secure job positions. After all, they're all in this to make money.

    -US Ship has been seized for arms smuggling, the marines have taken to guns and are threatening to shoot anyone who tries to take the cargo. They claim the weapons are not being smuggled and this is legitimate clandestine movements. ex-KGB guy says Russia would absolutely love to know about this.

    -Rebel camps are abandoned, and there are some stockpiles of small arms, mortars, rpgs, etc. Mostly African built Russian cold war era weapons.

    -NeoTekz on AIDs/HIV cure. They explain how it works...a human sized box programmed to seek out and destroy the virus. You step inside, boom, cured. Theoretically we could program nanites to act like super-white blood cells. You could theoretically cure more than HIV/AIDs due to the developments here.

    -Swa'sin City is 70% done due to various rapid construction methods.

    -This new river that has formed has broken the local drought. Where other streams dry up, this one has grown into a full blown river... BBC would like to cover this new formation, as would plenty of ecologists and geologists who rarely see something like this occur...

    >map updated

    -Recruitment numbers updated: Troop count up to 23,000.

    -Educated % of country as follows in US Grade levels.
    Middle school : 60% of country
    High school: 30% of country
    College Level BS: 8%
    College Level Masters: 1.9%
    College Level Doctorate: Less than .1%
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)11:52 No.17789695
    I feel a probably-unwarranted sense of pride of what we've accomplished in this little game.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)11:52 No.17789698
    I'd like to make a suggestion that we make an official move to spend more money on our intelligence gathering agencies.

    Now that Russia is seriously dependent on us we've gone from being an African nation on the rise to a player on the world stage. Every other country is going to be interested in our actions and our actions will have consequences all round. You can bet your ass that every intelligence agency you can imagine will be sending agents into our capital to try to figure out our moves, our weaknesses and so on.

    So I want to suggest we spend at least several percent of our national budget on increasing our intelligence gathering capabilities and counter-intelligence as well. Maybe it would be useful if we could turn some of those foreign agents we'll be getting soon.

    Either way, the better informed we are, the better decisions we can come up with. That way we'll be ready next time some dumbass rebels decide to cause trouble or some idiot neighbour decides to fly through our airspace.

    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)11:54 No.17789707

    >Marines have taken up arms against a legal attempt to impound illegally smuggled goods

    - Either they surrender the illegal goods under international maritime law, or we sink their boat. Make sure that we do on international TV. We don't tolerate this shit.

    - That's pretty much what I wanted out of nationalising Neotekz. Go for it. Have them construct a second, secure lab for weapons and sensitive government research.

    - I'm assuming we already did Human Trials with the AIDS cure? If so, we go public, AFTER we ensure that the nanites used a specific, dead ended type built by our constructor nanites and that are next to impossible to engineer without the base we have. Neotekz or Zanzian operators will deploy our cure to affected populations, starting in Africa, for as little profit as we can.

    - Allow the BBC access to everywhere but the "blasting zone" where we're still working on "aquifer"
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)11:54 No.17789709
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    Arrest the marines, they violated the law and just because they're murican doesn't mean they can get away with that shit.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)11:59 No.17789750
    Alright. They can have those concessions.

    >US Ship
    "...there is no such thing as "legitimate clandestine", you idiots.
    If you'd just declared the goddammed missiles then we wouldn't BE in this mess. But no, you had to try to keep this secret, and now you're turning this into a standoff."
    Contact the US State Department, have a BBC journalist recording everything. Tell the US that hey, these are your citizens, you talk to them.
    And tell Russia that they might want to get some movie popcorn, this'll be good.

    >Rebel camps
    Check for any intel concerning where they got their equipment. Take everything into custody.

    >AIDs cure
    Tell NeoTekz to continue working on curing other diseases.
    Prepare a world press conference to go global with the cure and our river-in-a-box.

    As above.
    Say that we needed to test the technology ourselves to make sure it was safe and ready.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)11:59 No.17789754

    >US Ship
    Excellent. The BBC would love a scope. Non-lethal combat. I do expect the marines to have NBC gear. Have our SWAT/Riot police fire tear/CS/Smoke into the ship and clear them. We CANNOT afford any casualties on the side of the Muricans.

    Leak to the press of an armed standoff at the harbour. Once world filters back, we should get some response from US and Russia, we can decide our next move.

    >Rebel Camps
    Look over the weapons if any thing we can trace. Like to Liberia. Send these, anyways, to the insurgent forces operating in Liberia and Ivory Coast.

    Can they make the nanites contained in a capsule that can be swallowed?

    Nanites degrade very fast due to friction at this small size, so they should be able to do their job and just die after that.

    Also, regarding the company, we can setup a home grown defence company. This way we can shield them my citing national defence and keep their identities secret.

    Huh. Decline. Cite the position of our nearby base and that this area is regularly used for live fire exercises and we cannot compromise national security of our base.


    How goes the plans to institute a Compulsory Military Service?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:00 No.17789757
    >- I'm assuming we already did Human Trials with the AIDS cure? If so, we go public, AFTER we ensure that the nanites used a specific, dead ended type built by our constructor nanites and that are next to impossible to engineer without the base we have. Neotekz or Zanzian operators will deploy our cure to affected populations, starting in Africa, for as little profit as we can.

    Seconding this. Once human testing is successful, selling the drug with minimal profit is just the right thing to do. Not to mention we'll still make a huge profit through volume considering the sheer number of people in the world who suffer from the disease.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:01 No.17789765




    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:01 No.17789768

    They're ARMS SMUGGLERS. American Citizenship doesn't change it. Either they surrender the goods, or we sink their boat. That's the way it works when someone points guns at you.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:05 No.17789792
    seriously, keep the source of the river on the downlow. fob off the bbc with some excuse about how it's a sensitive area (as diplomatically as possible) and they sadly can't be allowed near the area.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:06 No.17789801
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    Indeed they are arms smugglers.

    However, the political gain from having them infront of cameras in court, testifying that they ARE US Servicemen is a political coup that will provide a fucking major backlash against the US, both on the international stage and at home.

    I would thus advocate NON-LETHAL as much as possible.

    >Pic Related

    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:09 No.17789814
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    >Neo Tekz
    Offer all of their workers and assets full Zanzian citizenship while telling them that they have earned themselves the full respect of the people. Encourage them to bring their families / relatives (I assume mostly German?) here and offer them the same. Integrate them into the society, mix the structure up with fresh blood from the native Zanzi populace. Dont want this to become some sort of apartheid.
    Do this. But you know, murka usually does get away with this kind of shit. If only because they have the biggest fist to swing around and can force you to just give them out or get the shit bombed out of you.
    Bet full BBC coverage. If possible, bring them on one of the circling Hinds. if the murricans shoot at the helo, we'll have even more ammunition for international debates.
    Well, let those BBC guys take a look at the river itself. Deny them entry to the "spring zone". Declare it as a military test area where undetonated explosives might be lying around. Pic related.
    Agreeing to this.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:09 No.17789821

    We don't exactly have non-lethal gear, to my knowledge. I recommend a couple low and fast passes with Fulcrums armed with AShMs, and Hinds with speakers broadcasting calls for surrender in front of cameras. invite local and international journalists to the scene, and go public with the info we have. Force them out, but be ready with the biggest stick we have.

    Also, given that the enemy are clearly armed, and smuggling weapons, we should also have gunship support in case they break out 203s or .50s. Worse comes to worse, the US watches its people starve to death over their illegal weaponry on TV.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)12:11 No.17789833
    Derp, forgot name.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:11 No.17789840
    Guys, it's me (>>17789698) again.

    Shall I take your silence as you all agreeing with me?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:12 No.17789844

    Throwing money at the ZIA won't train agents and can't buy loyalty. Its growing as fast as it can.

    Better to throw that money into projects that grow our nation and can defend it.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:13 No.17789849
    We can give our intelligence agency more funding, I suppose.

    Put it down as a Free Action.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:13 No.17789851

    Not with the army.

    However, we did spend quite abit beefing up our civil services.

    Bean bag guns, Smoke grenades, flashbangs and maybe even tasers should be a good part of their arsenal now. Thus why I wanted our SWAT Equivalent to handle this situation.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:15 No.17789862

    I'm not sure if SWAT can handle this, TBH. Are our SF units trained at all in non-lethal weapons? If so, have them assault with our SWAT, using CS gas and non-lethal weapons. At the least, we need to get as much media on this as possible. Begin with shipping manifests and our proof of Patriots in their cargo. And that needs to be BEFORE the US electronically changes all the info.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)12:16 No.17789869
    Sorry to interrupt.
    Me again. I would just like to re-extend my invitation to you guys.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)12:19 No.17789885
    Print it out, print all of it. Give it to the BBC guys right away, then get them to the ship. Make the murricans open the doors and let the BBC guys make peaceful interviews. Nothing better than tense, twitchy marines trying to do diplomacy. These guys will fuck up royally and we will be able to exploit it.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:21 No.17789895
    Is it growing as fast as it can? We haven't really had a status update on the state of our intelligence agency for a while now.

    >Better to throw that money into projects that grow our nation and can defend it.

    You don't think having a highly skilled ZIA, competent in both espionage and electronic warfare, is part of defending the country?

    Look at what Stuxnet did to that nuclear reactor in Iran. What's to stop the US or some enemy of ours that sees us as a threat from planting viruses that fuck with our nanotech or thorium reactors or what not?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:23 No.17789910
    Plus being able to deploy some Stuxnet 2.0 monstrosity ourselves would be quite nice too.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:24 No.17789913
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    This, walk onto the ship with a mob of journalists and press workers, watch the marines shit enough brix to build sim city..
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:24 No.17789916

    Nanotech is completely isolated, as our thorium reactors. Its common sense. Combined with a competent security force, which we have, only a dedicated SF team could do it, and they're busy with the new cold war.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:28 No.17789946
    My memory may be betraying me but I remember the article I read about Stuxnet mentioned specifically that the Iranian nuclear reactor was isolated as well, and the worm was transmitted by the fact that someone who worked at the place brought it in without realising. The worm had spread all over internet cafes in Iran and some employee used a USB drive at such a place and then used it at their workplace.

    I'm just saying that isolation alone isn't enough.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:28 No.17789948
    I second this.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:29 No.17789952
    >African Nation going to take over American Vessel, potentially hurting American Citizens and getting the US incredibly pissed at us.

    Yeah, this will end well.

    The Neotekz acquisition will be a great move.

    -I want our education rates to go up significantly more. More funding toward education should do the trick and we should sponsor a Grand Library of Zanzia, similar to the Library of Congress.

    -also seconding increased intelligence spending and increasing intelligence forces, cause the US is really going to take an interest in us now.

    -We should, in an international sense use our position to occupy one of the temporary Rotating UN security council member seats.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:29 No.17789955

    That breaks EVERY computer security regulation I know of.

    You DO NOT USE PERSONAL FLASHDRIVES AT YOUR STATION. If anything, we should simply review and update our security protocols re: Computer safety and if necessary do a reinstruction of it.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:30 No.17789958
    >employee used a USB drive at such a place and then used it at their workplace.
    That's just bad internal security.
    Proper security measures would forbid bringing in any kind of data storage or processing device that could be connected to the computers in the facility.
    Yeah, that would make the job boring, but better than leaving open a vector of attack.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:31 No.17789961
    This. Paranoia is our friend.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:32 No.17789968
    Sure but it still happens. People have been using computers for decades and know better than to write their passwords down and yet they still do.

    There's no such thing as fool proof, apparently. But we're getting side tracked here so I'll stop, I'm probably not going to convince you that we need to spend more money.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:32 No.17789969

    They did start it when they refused a legally mandated request to surrender illegally smuggled weapons. Then they took arms against a legal government. If they're US service members, its technically an act of war. We're well within our rights to use force. But we won't, not right away, we'll use the media to our advantage to shame the US into calling off its retards, or they'll simply die, or be thrown into a deep hole in our country until the US offers enough concessions to us to free them. If they won't do that, I suggest we dump all our funding IMMEDIATELY into the laser program and go public with AIDS cure. Lets see the US try to fuck with a nation(openly) that cured AIDS while they were smuggling weapons.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:34 No.17789984
    The question is what is that money going to do to help improve our intelligence agency and security?
    It takes time to improve our agents, throwing money won't speed that up. We're already recruiting new operatives, and we need to be discerning so that won't particularly be improved by throwing money at it.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:36 No.17789990
    Why don't we just use our freighter to tow them into a harbor and deal with it there?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:36 No.17789994

    You are implying the Americans will see logic in this, and not use it as a jingoistic maneuver to get seriously involved in our affairs. We may be in the right, and the Aid's research will ensure that we won't get fucked with openly. However, The US will use covert Ops on us in retaliation. I would rather we not fuck with such a country that has a history of using black ops to overthrow dictators, democratically elected presidents, and presidents for life for people who are pro-US.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:37 No.17789997

    They're already docked, dude.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:38 No.17790016

    True, maybe we should place a call to Putin?

    At the least, we need to get ALL THE CAMERAS to the harbor and get every reporter buzzing about the US Marines smuggling weapons who won't surrender peacefully to a lawful government, presumably because they think that they're somehow safe.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)12:38 No.17790017
    Avaiationfag's "Let them look at the river downstream" is a clever idea, but when it becomes clear that we have water-making tech, we'll look like assholes for hiding it while foreign research money was wasted.

    We need to either deny access to the site or tell the world that we're working on experimental "water-coalescing tech" that is paying off.

    AIDS cure is great, but it's not available for mass use yet. I say we hold off until we get something like the pill solution mentioned. I'm still nervous about our tech being reverse-engineered, too. I'd like more research to go into protecting our investments.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:40 No.17790032
    More or less this. Just sit on them until they agree to talk.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:42 No.17790049

    Or until a CBG comes and wrecks our shit.

    I'm beginning to think dumping funding in Lasers and Railguns is becoming more and more necessary to keep our fledgling jewel of Africa viable. Neotekz can figure out superconductors and capacitors quick, right?
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    Also fund lazers, railguns are crappy since you need to exchange the damn barrels/rails every three shots at the current state of tech.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:44 No.17790060

    >Sending a CBG

    Not with how shit is hitting the fan up north, no they wont.

    This is ironically a good time to do this since their assets are tied and they best they can divert would be subs.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:44 No.17790067

    Yeah, I think we should place a call to Putin but in all honestly I do not think Russia will have enough pull or ability to stop the US once it focuses a significant amount of attention on us.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:45 No.17790069

    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:45 No.17790070
    Not a bad idea. I'm still thinking that a public trial is the best possible outcome for this.
    We're talking nano-regenerating rails. Not crappy.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)12:46 No.17790080
    New idea: I don't know where we are as far as internet access goes, but we have a chance to do another revolutionary thing that could also help tremendously with our education needs: Create the Zanzi Open Network Education Systems.

    ZONES would be regional labs with computers, equipment, and raw materials available for free access by any of our citizens. The computers would be linked to a proprietary, Zanzia-only internet system, as well as the world wide web.

    Our educators will use the ZONES to learn about projects like the Khan Academy and create their own tools for education related to Zanzian initiatives. The ZONES will also be the production centers for Zanzian research, entertainment, and so on. All work done in the ZONES will be licensed through ZNL - which makes any entertainment, technology, etc. free for use by any Zanzian citizen within our borders. People outside of Zanzia will have to pay for our work on a sliding scale - relative to the net worth of the person or organization.

    This should exponentially increase our education and production rates.

    Combines ZONES with an eventual nation-wide rollout of the WWW and proprietary Zanzian network system, and we'll be well on our way to great prosperity.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:46 No.17790084
    Can we, though? Wouldn't the huge currents and friction destroy most of them with each shot?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:47 No.17790092
    The 'windtrap' story, that we're working on an experimental technology that can take moisture out of the air, is both partially true, and would be a good way to box up our River-In-A-Box.

    As for the AIDs cure, though, I think the current state is even better than a pill form.
    It requires a gene-therapy tank, a large device, that is difficult to move or sneak out.
    We can set up medical centers in countries that wish to rent our cure, and it'll be easier to maintain control over it than a pill that could be easily smuggled away and then later reverse-engineered.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:47 No.17790093

    That sounds like a really good idea, and great for PR purposes.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:47 No.17790094
    I like it. The Chinese will likely just steal our shit though.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:48 No.17790103


    We simply have feedstock with the gun system's ammunition, it repairs the rails between each shot. The only problem is power and speed. A combat railgun (At least a naval one) needs to be able to put out about 20-40 rounds per minute. Given Neotekz work so far, I think they can handle a dedicated rail-repair nanite. Hell, maybe even nanite-based rails, where they form the bridge and replace themselves from a dedicated dispenser.
    >> New Canadian Empire 02/03/12(Fri)12:49 No.17790110
    Starve them out.
    No matter how full that galley is it wont feed them forever.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)12:50 No.17790118
    Meeting with boss then posting
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:50 No.17790120

    -Once Aids is done, we should begin to work on cancer.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:50 No.17790121
    Easy with the caps lock, man.
    Exactly. Have the BBC broadcast live news of US Marines sitting in their own filth.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)12:51 No.17790128
    I didn't state it clearly, but the point of the Zanzian proprietary network is to keep new the and research off the international grid until we want to release it via the WWW - that way we're ahead of everyone when it comes to our own areas of work, but we're still sharing in an open-source kind of way in the not-too-distant future.
    >> Laurentius 02/03/12(Fri)12:51 No.17790132
    seconding this
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:52 No.17790140

    We don't NEED it. We already have a top-notch university that trains people to go to work in our nanolabs. We're the only nanotech country on the planet right now. All our research only needs to be in our Neotekz facility and our secret underground archive bunker.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)12:53 No.17790147
    So it's basically magic. Well dang. I'd have expected something more, like a rotating barrel system. Somewhat like a gatling gun but also very different.

    Imagine five prepared rails in the usual gatling setup. The first one is fired about ten times max, then the barrel/rail is worn out. It rotates one spot ahead. The nanites pick up reconstruction on the unused barrel while the next one fires its ten shots. Then rotate one spot again. Nanites repair the four unused ones while the last one is used.

    Hows that for practical engineering?
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:53 No.17790148

    I like this. Open source as much as possible.

    For the PC:
    25 dollars apiece. Just require inputs and a screen.

    All of the centers will include a 3D printer:
    No cost, just requires parts. Which the Rep Rap can produce 75% of.

    If we get the kids building in CAD, WE CAN BUILD IT TOO.

    That it trains our next generation to produce and think with CAD will make their transition much faster when we reveal our nanites.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)12:55 No.17790160
    Thirding/Fourthing the ZONES idea. The higher the level of technical literacy the better. Not everyone goes to our one university.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:55 No.17790163

    Rotating barrels means a bigger failure rate and increased maintenance. If we have to, we can go with a dual-gun system like some of the larger AK-series naval turrets on Russian ships. But we have nanites that can cure aids and make new waterways, repairing some conductive rails or simply acting as rails shouldn't be too hard.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)12:55 No.17790164
    Problem with 3D printers is that they're only good for prototypes. If the nanites ever become declassified, we could have a machine in every library.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)12:56 No.17790168

    You forgot our technical schools in every city.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)12:57 No.17790171
    If the tank somehow means we have more control/security, then I'm all for it. A pill just sounded nice given that it would be faster and destructable.

    You're only focused on nanites. I'm talking about inter-disciplinary work. We have the potential to change medicine, energy, education, transportation, and so on even without nanites. We should take advantage of that.

    Plus, some people just simply won't want to work in nanites.

    This also allows us to produce our own entertainment and consumer goods, with our own values. - Whether we use that for fun, philosophy, or propaganda.
    >> Doc 02/03/12(Fri)12:57 No.17790174

    At the learning stage, prototyping is all they need.

    The kids learn about production, prototyping, mass production and the problems usually incurred.

    They also learn to design and build with CAD and when the nanites are out, they'll adapt VERY fast to it.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)13:02 No.17790219
    No matter what they do they will still take time. They are microscopic machines, just moving around will be problematic since a gust of wind is like a typhoon to them and might even carry them away, off to somewhere other people could reverse-engineer them. There is a reason why this stuff is only used inside closed boxes at the moment.

    And I did not mean a wildly rotating arangement. More like a revolver. Use a chamber (rail) until it is empty (worn out) then spin and use the next. That process could even be hand-driven so to minimize complications.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)13:03 No.17790233
    Yeah, the tanks will mean more security and control. Because it means a bigger thing that can be more easily defended, and it means that they need to come to a facility controlled by Zanzian forces, and not just simply take custody of a shipment of pills, which may or may not actually be going to AIDs victims and might be going instead to a research lab.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)13:03 No.17790236

    I know what you mean. Its still intensive. And you're forgetting our caveriver facility. That's not a box.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:05 No.17790247
    I'm still in favor of a dedicated Area 51 type thing out in the Sahara. Something that would take a full-scale invasion to seize.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)13:06 No.17790250
    It isn't? I was under the impression it was some sort of closed area where only air and moisture enters and water leaves through a controlled outlet. Maybe not box-shaped but still under the same principles.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)13:07 No.17790262

    Its still not a box. If its an issue, we can simply enclose the rails in a housing.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:08 No.17790271
    Just to extend this a little bit, I'm thinking about the fact that most of our population is at the high school level, and we still need to learn other languages, operate our hospitals, and other basics. There are things that you simply can't do with nanotech.

    At the same time, by having researchers from every discipline working in the same area, you get more integrated solutions - so nano+psyc, nano+linguistics, nano+education pairings are built-in once we go public.

    Human innovation & resource innovation should operate side-by-side. Maybe we'll solve some big AI questions and triple the future potential of nanites.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)13:10 No.17790281
    Sounds good.
    >but then there will be holes in the front where they can still leak out and spread everywhere
    Shut up nitpicky voice I'm trying to be less nitpicky.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:21 No.17790358
    I like calling it "windtrap" and saying that we have a working facility/plant managing it. If we work on the ZONES plan (5 votes for yes), we can say that the windtrap will be a tech we'll release through the ZNL when we have a better grasp on it - which will be true.

    We can say the same thing about the AIDS cure tank, and maybe even make it our first public roll-out.

    I like this positioning of ourselves as the "Open Source Nation". In contrast to nasty, angry America, we'll be producers and humanitarians first, consumers and political powers second.

    And we won't be lying.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:23 No.17790382
    Have I already voted Yes?
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)13:24 No.17790385
    Agree to this.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:24 No.17790391
    You were the first "yes" response to my post.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)13:25 No.17790397

    There's too many security risks right now for something like that. While its a good idea, we should start that once our nanite program is fully public and our weapons programs are proceeding into their second gen phase.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:27 No.17790410
    Admittedly, a public unveiling could force us into being a Russian vassal state. How much money do we have towards future arms procurement?
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:33 No.17790451
    I'm confused about security risks. Let me clarify a little and get your response.

    I'm thinking we respond to BBC that we've got experimental windtrap tech this month and ask them for silence in exchange for exclusive first-look material later.

    We also announce this month that we're starting on the ZNL/ZONES network infrastructure. No promises made about products as of yet.

    As soon as the AIDS tank goes public, we announce that it is our intention to release mass-production designs via ZNL once we have reduced the cost and solved other, related issues. We don't necessarily need to say that it is nanite-based. This sets the precedent for Zanzia having our tech for awhile before we offer it internationally.

    By this time, shouldn't our weapons systems be significantly better?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)13:33 No.17790453
    Why are we using US model of school education?
    That shit is atrocious. It doesn't teach anything and only prepares the students to be mindless work drones. We don't need those.

    Take education model from an European country. I think Finnish was one of the best (or it was some other Scandinavian country)
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:35 No.17790469
    We had this argument last thread. Our University and the whole zones thing should be more than enough to keep us economically competitive.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)13:36 No.17790479

    The fact that you're putting nanotech in easily copied public databases is a massive security risk. NOTHING except what we need to put out there for the AIDS cure gets out. NOTHING. Our nanotech is our only advantage, and we need to keep everything as secret as possible so noone steals it, at least until we have an insurmountable lead.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)13:41 No.17790520
    Whole zones thing?

    And what do you mean economically competitive? I was concerned about the quality of primary and secondary education.
    Not every needs and can have higher education, some people are just not built for that. We need to have a system where people are not expected to have a degree to get a job, even if the job can be done without.
    This is the problem in Western countries now, people are EXPECTED to have a degree then students who don't want to continue education go for some bullshit humanitarian degree (liberal arts or whatever) and waste valuable time (spending 4 years working in and getting skills is much better than wasting time for useless degree) and/or money (Zanzia has free education, right?)
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:43 No.17790547
    I think we're still talking past each other.

    I'm not saying to put nanotech onto the ZONES network as soon as we acknowledge that we've done something with nano. I'm saying that ZONES should exist for the benefit of everyone, no matter what the subject of their work is. When we determine that we've done enough work on something in nano that it can be put into the ZONES, we open it up to Zanzia's public. When we've determined that we've moved ahead enough within Zanzia, we open it up internationally.

    ZONES could work solely on education reform or biology without any mention of nanotech for all I care. I'm saying that the system is important, and it's a nice bonus that we'll have facilities that can be used for nanotech research once we open it up.

    Is that clearer?
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:43 No.17790550
    Here's the thing, we're planning to fund huge amounts of trade skills (CAD modelling, Computer Science.) In between the University, the Army, Nanites, and the ZIA, we have room to put everyone in a skilled job.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)13:45 No.17790563
    Oh, okay then.
    >> Dintin 02/03/12(Fri)13:48 No.17790581
    With these nanites we literally will have no need for farmers. We will start a industrial revolution the likes of which nobody has ever seen. People will flood into our cities to take up skilled jobs, because they won't have to worry where their next meal is coming from.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:49 No.17790600
    I'm seeing a huge, Lagos style clusterfuck in our future.
    >> OCTOBER 2017 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)13:52 No.17790618
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    ->>17790080 Zones and everything about them, approved and being implemented.

    -Limited river access granted to media.

    -Wild Fire 3 has started, this time near to farms. May have been man made accidentally...a few farms have gone up in flames, fire fighters are dealing with it.

    -Ghana Flu 2.0 resurfaces in Ghana.

    -AIDs cure has been announced, pushing the "cure tank" direction so we have to set up our own facilities in other nations, operate them, etc. to prevent stealing of tech. At operational costs + 30% profit (which is very minimal, but on a scale of this, is huge income source for us.) Upon announcement and published results of human tests from NeoTekz; nearly every African nation has contacted us and offering to pay for the treatment of their citizens. UN, WHO, Russia, and EU would like to see it in action to see if it meets their safety regulations. US has denounced us as a scam group preying upon the week and needy with fake science.

    -Europe has began asking for NeoTekz to return. They are not going to at this time, though perhaps some offices using foreign population to bring us income on "safe' projects might be in order?

    -continued with US incident-
    >> OCTOBER 2017 - STATE REPORT Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)13:53 No.17790626
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    -US Ship incident: After bringing in every available reporter (even Liberian!) in the region or on over-night flights, the entire situation is the current focus of national news. The US has claims ignorance, and says that there are no records of any such vessel or marines having been sent out by them. They would like documentation when this has been handled.

    After storming the vessel with less than lethal weaponry, 19 of our special forces and police officers died to gunfire, with many more injured. One 'marine' has died to tazer related injuries.

    Cargo inside contains: 12 patriot missile systems, 6 Strykers, 20 HMMV, two stowed Apaches, enough American built infantry weapons to arm a platoon or two, and a heavy key coded lead box the Marines fought hardest to secure. Cargo manifest found half burned indicates this material was heading to Saudi Arabia.

    Ex-KGB guy suggests that this may have been one of many vessels arming the Saudis in response to Iran's nuclear weapons program. (This is somewhat based on RL movements of Saudi.)
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)13:54 No.17790627
    The problem you're talking about with certification is also solved by the ZONES program. There's no educational requirement - people can just go there to learn to do stuff. It's basically a Results-Only Work Environment training model. This also works perfectly for the tribal people who want to learn, or to spread practices that have worked for them for years, but have values or religions that don't mesh with our education system...somehow..or something...

    Basically, imagine religious nutcases who homeschool with abstinence education and "creation science" having free access to scientific literature and learning materials from all over the world. They're going to learn, and they're going to mature as a result. They'll also be able to do work for the public good.

    Nanites aren't magic. They will take a lot of energy to run, and a lot of time to make widely available. In the meantime, we need to not only deal with our national issues, but solve global problems.

    Contemporary industrialized agriculture is the biggest contributor to climate change, and is actually inferior to some non-industrialized methods when it comes to crop yields and nutritional value. I'm sure that our tribal groups have a lot to teach us about non-urban living solutions.

    Maybe we'll get a visit from Jim Carrey/Better U or host some TED talks in the near future.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)13:54 No.17790632
    Well, if we can protect our assets then we'll basically be the next center of the world. If not, gangraped by global superpowers and then fed to the lions for their amusement.


    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:55 No.17790637
    Now that we have monies, I agree with you. We might actually need real air superiority fighters and anti-ship missiles now.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)13:58 No.17790656

    Express our disappointment at the US for doubting our science.

    And then FURTHER disappointment at them for their killing of our troops. Put their men on trial, throw them in a hole. Deny the US government, but not its people, access to our AIDS cure. Any American looking to get cured will need to come to us.

    - Go public on the freighter, RIGHT NOW, with our proof.

    >> nanosugestionsist 02/03/12(Fri)13:59 No.17790663
    >US ship

    Who the fuck said to fucking storm it? Who were the fucking idiots?

    Blockading it indefinitely, until they ran out of food would have been the most dilomatic solution and would have not gotten us with 19 dead men and a even more antagonistic US that gets to act more and more like the Nork.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)13:59 No.17790664
    I guess the real question is whether to stock up on real or nanite weaponry?
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:02 No.17790689

    Nanite based weapons lead to WMD claims, lasers and railguns are just HEY GUYS, WE'RE BETTER THAN YOU, DON'T EVEN TRY.

    - Regarding Neotekz and the EU : They can expand back there, just make sure its non-sensitive stuff, and DEFINITELY no construction nanites. Serves em right for tossing em out, now we're the sole holders of the AIDs cure.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:02 No.17790692

    Implement a public self-defense and small arms generation/jerry-rigging program through ZONES as it rolls out? Contemporary Asian public defense regimen?

    Get that box to NeoTekz!

    Set up a controlled public demonstration center for the AIDS tank with cameras and foreign experts to make a public case for the validity of our work?
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:04 No.17790700
    How many TAR-21s do we have? Enough to arm all the conscripts?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:04 No.17790701
    The real question now is what's in the box. If it's lead lined, heavily locked and was the point of last resistance, I assume it's some sort of nuclear weapon / material.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:05 No.17790713
    >After storming the vessel with less than lethal weaponry, 19 of our special forces and police officers died to gunfire

    Damn.... we lost a lot of people today.
    I thought we aimed to siege them till they surrender or something.

    >heavy key coded lead box the Marines fought hardest to secure
    I have a suspicion that I know what it is. We need to open it up, perhaps our Nano tech will help us out here?
    >> nanosugestionsist 02/03/12(Fri)14:05 No.17790716
    are you seriously trying to antagonise them to hell and back?

    Seriously? do you want us embargoed till the sky turns blue?

    It's like the basic concepts of diplomacy escape this board as soon as they get the half finished blueprints to a superweapon. a thing that wont be ready in 50 years from now.

    we have to somehow make nice.

    The assault on the ship was a blunder. a bad move. having it planted with a subaquatic tracer beacon or tagged the crates with a isotope would have been a better option.

    Now how do we give the US ability to save face while not escalating any further?

    1 we acted like dunces.
    2 the marines acted like idiots
    3 the US acts in a predictable fashion
    4 this is not going to end good for any of the involved

    seriously we need to begin defusing the tension with the US, if you want to be a first world important actor.

    We must be on semi amicable terms with all people having nukes, shite embargoes and sanctions like mad and, or the ability to project forces that way exceed outs right into our heartlands.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)14:05 No.17790719
    No nanite weaponry, we will need to crank out some sort of WMD with them sooner or later though. Those superpowers have them all and if they really need to they can just wipe us out, public relations be damned. We need to prepare for that. BUT THAT COMES WAAAAY IN THE LATEGAME. As soon as anything about nanites gets leaked the murikkans will accuse us of having WMD's anyway. Until then we need as much conventional guns as we can have. Maybe automated defenses everywhere.

    I can tell you right now that it is a nuklear warhead or something like that.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:06 No.17790724

    We should simply call in a UN CRBN team, with multinational observers. They crack it, and dispose of it if its CRBN. As it is, we should hold a very public funeral for our fallen. After that, have a press conference outside of a field where we blow up the US gear, and denounce them again for killing our people and smuggling weaponry.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:08 No.17790738
    What? This is the opportunity Russia and China have been waiting for for years. America can't win against the entire fucking planet
    This. The truth is going to be more damaging than any propaganda.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)14:09 No.17790756
    It's about to go all WAAAR in this world. We're on the side of Russia (but soon, Russia will be on OUR side, if you catch my drift). Also, Putin rocks. Murricans have been making nothing but problems all the time.

    You need to choose your friends, bro. America hasn't been very friendly.

    Shit would be so tweesty.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:09 No.17790761

    They just committed an act of war against us by having military personnel engage us with no lawful reason. By any legal definition, we have every right to them to fuck off. Yes, its confrontational, but they have a lot to deal with since Iran and the Polar regions, and their own civil unrest. They just got 29 of their own men captured, 1 killed, and 19 of OURS killed. We need to LAMBAST them with our allies support, to get the world on our side before the US starts using their media to demonize us.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:10 No.17790765
    I think we should make NeoTeks some incredibly generous offer to be a permanent fixture in our nation, while also making sure that we have teams constantly working with them.

    Let's find out what they want? There's no reason to move elsewhere if we make it very easy and comfortable to stay here.

    When we hold the funeral, make it very clear that our guys went in with non-lethal arms and intent.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:11 No.17790783

    Goddamnit you fucking moron pay attention, we ALREADY nationalized the fuck out of them. Zanzia and Neotekz are now one, for all intents and purposes.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)14:12 No.17790792
    For NeoTekz, refer to
    >Offer all of their workers and assets full Zanzian citizenship while telling them that they have earned themselves the full respect of the people. Encourage them to bring their families / relatives (I assume mostly German?) here and offer them the same. Integrate them into the society, mix the structure up with fresh blood from the native Zanzi populace. Dont want this to become some sort of apartheid.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:12 No.17790796
    Right now, the worst thing that could happen is the entire development team running away to Russia. Offer to make these people the new rulers of a post-scarcity world.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:14 No.17790807
    I mean keeping them here instead of starting a diaspora for nanotech geniuses.

    We're saying the same thing. This isn't about them continuing to work with us, it's about them working Only with us.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:18 No.17790853

    I'm not seeing any reason why they would choose to run away from here. All of their labs are here. They know what they are working on and probably can see that material goods will not be worth that much in the future. We provide much better environment for them to continue their research than other countries.
    I also doubt they will trust Russia not to fuck them up. They can trust us because even when they invented a little box that can literally lay golden eggs we did not act greedily.

    They would be mighty stupid to move/run away. Though I admit that it is possible SOME of the could, but not all.
    That's why we need to beef up the internal security. Wouldn't want a single ass leaking all the secrets.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:24 No.17790900

    >Ghana Flu

    Again, NeoTekz can fix this.


    Seconding Aviationfag's "give it to the American people, not the government" sentiment.


    Offer them all citizenship, along with their families.

    >US Ship


    Fucking this
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:24 No.17790902
    Think about it. The minute that NeoTekz is working elsewhere on something private that we don't know about, is the minute that our power starts slipping. We can't win a bidding war with other nations, so we have to do something now to keep their minds on working for us.

    This isn't like having an oil rig and exporting a portion of our product. This is like having the blueprints to human life and letting other people get a peek at them. Our only source of power is knowledge. We need to contain it while we work on a new base of power.

    I'm just nervous about what decisions NeoTekz will make. Even if we have all of their tech and an equivalent development team of our own, we lose most of our advantage when someone else starts to understand how we do our work.

    If we understand the NeoTekz team's motivations, we can give them something more valuable than money. Something like peace of mind. Something abstract. We can't win when it comes to material values.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:27 No.17790929

    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:27 No.17790931
    Well, material values are going to become a lot less value. We can offer them the chance to not be crushed by an overbearing state, as would happen in most of the superpowers.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:27 No.17790935

    No harm in giving them a little more, I think. Just in case.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:28 No.17790950
    Okay, fine. What do we do to not get invaded, oh brave leader?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:30 No.17790963

    We could try and appeal to the rest of the world's powers - EU, China, India, even Brazil. The US won't try to attack the whole world to get at us.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:30 No.17790968
    I agree with you.

    Well, don't say that we can't win the bidding wars though. We are apparently a major oil exporter (so big that RUSSIA of all places relies on us), so we can scrounge up fair bit of money.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)14:31 No.17790982
    Dude, calm down a little. Low on sleep?
    Also, give them all the awesome shi tthey want. As long as they stay here.

    MAKE A PERSONAL VISIT SOON. Talk to their union leader and CEO, make a personal connection to those guys. We want them to know us, to know that it is THAT HARDWORKING GUY that they would be betraying if they'd run away.
    Social engineering goes a long way.
    >> Aviationfag 02/03/12(Fri)14:32 No.17790988

    Well, aside from possibly calling the rest of the world in to prevent the only way to cure AIDS from being destroyed, we need Neotekz to put all other research on hold, and focus solely on a way to detect stealth aircraft, and a laser system capable of tracking, hitting, and killing any aircraft or missiles within at least 20km. Once that's done, we fab as many as possible, and deploy them everywhere, including our Fulcrums. Then we get our nano-railguns installed into our T-90s or copies of them we fab, allowing our tanks to shitkick enemy tanks.

    This assumes the US tries the overt move. If they go specops, all we can do is increase security, which we should do anyways. I'd like to see a full battalion of infantry at all our reactors, and a doubling of our Neotekz guard.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:32 No.17790998
    Maybe we bring our KGB guy, just for the lulz.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)14:34 No.17791016
    Another boss meeting, will try to get post in b4 omw home
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:35 No.17791033
    better not. Would send bad message.
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)14:35 No.17791039
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:36 No.17791052
    Do we get to bulk purchase small arms now?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:37 No.17791061
    We are going to open it with all precautions, right? Even against possible nano bots.
    >> generictripfag !!2gvSr5QNeFI 02/03/12(Fri)14:38 No.17791073
    I thought we gave it to the UN. If there is a fun surprise inside, that just further hurts the US's case.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:38 No.17791074
    Ownership as dictated by paper means nothing.

    Take a chill pill, dude. You want to talk about lasers and tanks? Go ahead. I'm only explaining because you didn't seem to understand what I said. There's a big portion of the budget for your projects, so use it. Do you really care that much what the smaller portion is used for?


    I agree about a personal visit. We can make it a dual-purpose meeting: talk about how important it is to set up national defensive measures so that we can continue to expand NeoTekz projects, and talk with them about their personal dreams/wishes/families. I think it would also be good to bring in some of the people who have been most helped by their tech - and who are security-cleared - to praise the work.

    What are your thoughts on the self-defense training for the public? Does that even factor in? I think it would be nice to turn all of our citizenry into a tip network through ZONES.

    Agreed. The last thing we want to do is appear threatening or controlling. We want to be helpers and equals.

    I think Avaiatonfag's idea to open it with the UN CRBN team and observers somewhere neutral is ideal.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:41 No.17791100
    I meant that more along the lines of 'we crack it open, LIVE TV or not, safety measures or not, and then the whole city is devoured from the ground up by terrornanos.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:43 No.17791118
    If that happens, the US will be the target of a worldwide military effort. I doubt that will happen. Once the US hears that we're opening this thing with an international audience, it would try to prevent that kind of disaster if they ever even considered it.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:46 No.17791150
    Why? They've denied all association with the thing. As soon as the thing is done with its grisly job, there will be no evidence left on our hands because its all nano'd. Then it's our word against theirs. Add in that we're the only nation with a more-or-less visible and active nano departement and you have the perfect scapegoat.

    "The stupid niggers dabbled in nano that they dont understand. They fucked themselves up as a result. Suck to be them.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)14:49 No.17791185
    Has it been made clear that nanotech, specifically, is the source of our recent progress and inventions? I didn't think so.

    Also, if we're opening this thing up in a neutral location, we'd still have the evidence of US involvement stored elsewhere. The US can deny shipping materials easily only when there's no massive fallout. Once big news is associated with the shipment, calls for investigations will spread like wildfire.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:55 No.17791227
    >-AIDS cure
    Ok, Let's start cure people. But be ready to destroy the nano booth if anyone try to take it.

    >-Ghana Flu 2.0
    NeoTekz, I chose you!

    >-US Ship incident
    Give everyone a fair trial with the reporters there. We should give them good lawyers too.
    As for the weapon start destroy them, with third everyone watching of course. For the lead box I agree with everyone have the UN CRBN open it for us.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)14:56 No.17791234
    We're definitely not opening this thing in middle of the city.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:04 No.17791301
    >> Balloon Bug Guy 02/03/12(Fri)15:10 No.17791363
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    >drop this thing on enemy troops
    >make guns, factories and tanks out of hostile soldiers
    >"Thanks for the free gear!"
    >everyone elses faces
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:19 No.17791456
    How efficient are nano-fabricators anyway?

    Can they make more energy than they use? For example, we use them to make oil, will the resulting product justify the energy expenditure?
    If oil is out of the question, how about uranium? Use nuclear power to power the nano-fabricators which make the necessary uranium. If we do that how much of the energy produced by this method would be needed to sustain it? Could we have excess energy eventually ending energy crisis?

    Man, even the problem of nuclear waste could be solved with nano-tech, couldn't it?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:21 No.17791469
    you can not make more energy then you use, siple facts. but we can repoupos all the waste.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)15:26 No.17791517
    I've been spinning in my head ways that we could create an energy circle, in which the products & waste from one undertaking feed/power the next undertaking until it loops back around. It would be the most efficient use of energy possible, which is just about as good as getting more energy out than you put in.

    That would be especially true if we found a way to use energy sources like solar or wind power to fuel a portion of most of the processes.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:27 No.17791534

    Then we need to invest into as much as re-useable energy as possible.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:28 No.17791540
    Does NeoTekz have a material sciences department to actually even develop the materials needed for better railguns? Or the programmers needed for writing the software package that would control a laser CIWS system? Or the laser specialists for planning and designing such a system?

    Just because we have nanotechnology doesn't mean we can create superconductors.
    >> HayashiKawa 02/03/12(Fri)15:33 No.17791605
    I think that we're rapidly reaching the point at which we need to have a security-clearance preparation process.

    We need to design a system for developing/discovering-and-reinforcing philosophical loyalty to our nation's purposes, so that we can bring in foreigners with the skills our goals require.

    I think it would be good to consider creating a more-or-less underground city where NeoTeks is located - a city focused on commitment to the values of peace, innovation, and excellence with a culture that reinforces the ties between these ideals and our national policies. All of our best minds should live there with their families.

    It would be a contemporary Alexandria or something.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:35 No.17791622
    Hooooo golly did we fuck up... we need to step off poking the US though it might disscredit them, it will also make them angryer and angryer. we do not want that, or atleast not untill we have the defences we need, als o DO NOT phase out conventional balistics compleatly, because they can fire over the curvature of the earth while lazers and railcannons can not or have a harder time doing it.
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)15:37 No.17791647

    >Wildfire 3
    Contain it, use our new firefighting equipment.
    Begin air patrols; I'm beginning to suspect hostile enemy action.

    >Ghana Flu 2.0
    Provide what medical aid we can.

    >AIDs Cure
    Begin construction of facilities in other African countries that will house the treatment tanks. ZIA operatives to provide security.
    American citizens can pay for the cure, but they'll have to book a flight to us.

    >Ship incident.
    Have UN CRBN team assist us in opening up the sealed box, in a neutral area if possible, but away from any population centers.

    Does NeoTekz have the necessary scientists and engineers to even begin research on superconductors, advanced laser weapons, and rail guns?
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)16:00 No.17791839
    Bumping this.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)16:01 No.17791852
    We're autosaging, making new thread now. Keep eyes out
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)16:04 No.17791879
    Dont forget to edit that copy-pase! Also, has this been archived?
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)16:06 No.17791892
    Just did.
    >> Grand Leader Quest !tr.t4dJfuU 02/03/12(Fri)16:13 No.17791959

    new thread
    >> Anonymous 02/03/12(Fri)16:13 No.17791963
    Please answer the question about whether NeoTekz can even do weapons and superconductor research.
    Aviationfag and others have assumed that NeoTekz is a huge research giant that can handle any kind of research, and I didn't see any of your posts corroborate that.

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