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    22 KB QUEST BUILDING: HOLY GRAIL WAR EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)21:26 No.18730396  
    Old thread:

    List of Servants thus far:

    Rider: El Cid (I have the statblock, this guy's set in stone.)
    Saber: Finn McCool, need stat block
    Lancer: Uncertain
    Caster: Lovecraft/Rasputin. Uncertain
    Archer: Odysseus, need stat block
    Assassin: Uncertain if I should follow the Nasu line or grab another
    Berserker: Might be Beowulf. Uncertain.

    Takes place in Seattle / Washington.

    After the Fifth Grail. Makiri and Einzbern are participants, but not Tohsaka.

    Always looking for help! Artists welcome!
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:32 No.18730451
    Maybe go with another Irish for Lancer

    LUK E
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:33 No.18730467
    >Odysseus as Archer

    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:34 No.18730475
    I'm not particularly good at this kind of thing, but I'm definitely interested.

    Also, Odysseus is an A+ choice. As for Assassin, I don't have any real concrete ideas, but I don't see a need to follow the Nasu line and make up a Hassan. It gives you a lot more flexibility if you don't.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:34 No.18730480
    I'm somewhat dissapointed there isn't a gun as a servant but whatever.
    And i feel like Lovecraft theme was already done with the dude from Fate/Zero.
    I suggest Holmes as caster
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)21:35 No.18730496
    Screw that, Der Fuerer. Imagine the chaos if anyone sees hitler running round stabbing people with a spear. Or machine gun, he was a military man.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:36 No.18730506
    I think Beowulf as Berserker is awesome. Fuck the Nasuverse canon, 4th War Berserker never went mad in hos own lifetime, either - they just added some incantations in his summoning ritual to make him mad. (maybe the magic words involved whispering about the latest 40k codex)

    Lu Bu for Lancer. Fuck yeah, Three-Kingdoms era!

    Brutus as Assassin. Et Tu Brute and all that would make for a great visionary Servant. [http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1175-Fate-Somnium-Summer-Redux]
    This guy's markup for Assassin is pretty solid, IMO, but YMMV
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:36 No.18730508
    I'd go for either Hector or Telamonian Ajax as the lancer, since they have ties with Odysseus and their rivalries can serve as plot points here and there. Picking Ajax comes with the benefit/issue of an already existing Noble Phantasm, Rho Aias.

    On another note, I am hoping for Cid to be the PC's Servant.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:37 No.18730525
    Spirit: Marcus Junius Brutus
    Alignment: Lawful Good
    Strength: D
    Endurance: D
    Agility: A
    Mana: D
    Luck: B
    Noble Phantasm: B+


    Presence Concealment - The ability to conceal the Servant's presence, granted usually to the Assassin Class.

    B: At this rank, the Servant cannot be tracked by normal methods and low-level spells, and only reveals his or her presence when attacking or moving at high speeds. The probability of stealth attacks to succeed is increased moderately.
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)21:38 No.18730531
    I re-propose James Bond for assassin. We need at least one classy character, and no one has more class than Bond.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:38 No.18730534

    The ability to break away from battle.

    C: At this rank, the Servant can retreat from battle effectively. Also has the ability to return an unfavorable battle to the first turn and return technique stats to their defaults

    Eye of the Mind (True)
    Calm analysis of battle situation and conclusion of action during a tight spot through "theory of battle".

    C: At this rank, the Servant is capable of calmly analyzing situations except during an emotionally challenging battle. Even if the chance of victory is small, he is able to devise a plan to exploit that possibility.

    Nature of a Rebellious Spirit
    The temperament to never remain at one location and never embrace a lord. A wandering star that does not have the capacity to be king nor is capable of finding his own king.

    A: Enough to cancel all kinds of charisma and leadership abilities.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:38 No.18730536
    Did some Googling and how about Hassan-i Sabbah for the assassin since the word is actually derived from his religious cult that he led although I'm not familiar enough with the system to stat him up
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:38 No.18730537
    Odysseus is going to be one bad ass motherfucker.

    Give him something relating to always having a clever plan, make his bow only usable by him and him being extremely dangerous with it.

    Maybe give him a NP based on his ten years of wandering and besting the challenges he found there.

    His luck stat will be complete SHIT.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:38 No.18730538
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    Assassin: Al Mualim. The dude that created the word assassin. You chose ANYONE else, shame on you.
    Caster: LOVECRAFT. Dude, this isn't even a choice.
    Lancer: Crazy Horse. Fits somewhat. Hector of Troy would also work if he hasn't already been used canonically.
    Berserker being Beowulf is plain awesome sauce though.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:39 No.18730542
    Make the Assassin
    "John Doe"
    Random CIA Spy Nº 43454

    His Noble Phantasms involve the fact he is an expendable spy.
    He dies alot but there is always a new John Doe to fuck around
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:39 No.18730544
    Noble Phantasms:

    Sic Semper Tyrannis
    Title: Thus is the End of All Tyrants
    Rank: B+
    Type: Anti-Personnel
    Range: 1-3
    Maximum Target: 1 person

    A technique that defines Assassin to his class. The ultimate physical murder technique that will kill every opponent without fail.

    This is an attack that, while not the bane of those who are immortal, will, without fail, kill those who are counting on near-infinite HP or stacked lives.

    A crystallized attack that once took down a mighty emperor, Sic Semper Tyrannis imposes the fate of “death” upon the enemy, changing his status from living to dead. As world notices and tries to fix it, the following attack of Assassin is what is deemed most suitable for the task, and it automatically becomes an unblockable attack that will surely kill the opponent. After all, the attack is just means to achieve the end that has been “corrected” already.

    No amount of HP or armor can stop this attack, as it will continue as long as it is needed to take to kill the opponent. Only in the cases where highest rank of AGI is combined with instincts and reflexes on par with sixth sense is dodging most of the attacks possible, which is the only way to avoid a fatal outcome. In other words, dodging until Assassin runs out of magical energy stored in Sic Semper Tyrannis.

    In a sense, very efficient Noble Phantasm, as it does not take lot of magical energy, but that is also its downfall, as the small amount it takes to activate becomes the aforementioned weakness.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:40 No.18730553
    I propose Faust as caster.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:42 No.18730573
    Noble Phantasms for Mualim would involve reality warping, hallucinations, and blind fervor. Assassin's don't have to be sneaky sneaky, just KILLY.
    Noble Phantasms for say, Crazy Horse, probably spirit animals and shit.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:43 No.18730581
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    My god. MY FUCKING GOD. OP, listen to this man. LISTEN TO HIM.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:44 No.18730584

    Isn't Al Mualim an Hassan?
    The guys Nasu uses all the time?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)21:45 No.18730600
    Sweet jesus just maybe.

    A fight between this guy and Odysseus would be fucking awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:46 No.18730610
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    Simo hayha, The White Death.

    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:46 No.18730617
    Finn stat-block, eh?

    Let's see... A whack, with little knowledge of the Nasuverse at large. Feel free to adjust

    Fionn mac Cumhaill


    Str: B+
    End: B
    Agi: C
    Man: B+
    Luk: D

    [EX] Magic Resistance - Manifested through the cloak he wears, Fionn Mac Cool is practically invulnerable to magic, especially mind-affecting magic.

    [EX] Supernatural Wisdom - Finn Mac Cool received and ate the Salmon of Wisdom, and a piece of its flesh was burned into his thumb. By sucking on his thumb with a query in mind, he can receive the answer to that query through his infinite knowledge.

    Noble Phantasm: Nimh ["Venom"]

    Rank: C

    The spear of Finn Mac Cool, which he may cast at will. He casts with great accuracy, and the blade is cursed and exudes a cloud of venom which is creates a deep pain in the user, which Finn used himself to stay awake when slaying the fairy Aillen. The spear was the weapon which struck the faerie down.

    Noble Phantasm: The Giant's Causeway

    Rank: B

    Finn Mac Cool is a legendary giant of a warrior, and once infamously created a causeway to fight the bravest man of Scotland by lifting and throwing the land in such quantities that it created a chain of islands called the Giant's Causeway. His might is infamous, and he can turn any thrown object into a D-Rank Noble Phantasm with the investment of mana. Objects which Finn lifts and throw remain complete and whole during the process no matter how illogical this may seem through physics.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:47 No.18730621
    Does it really matter? Dude pretty much told the holy land that if you fucked with his shit, you are DEAD. There really aren't many other famous guys like that.

    Wait wait wait. Brainwave. Assassin is Jack The Ripper.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:49 No.18730648
    Actually, he should almost definitely have

    Eye of the Mind (True)
    Calm analysis of battle situation and conclusion of action during a tight spot through "theory of battle".

    at a high rank given the whole Salmon of Wisdom incident.

    I'm trying to find a good way to represent his Lord of the Fianna status, but given they used Diarmuid as a Servant in his own right, I can't find a way to express it properly.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:50 No.18730659
    I'm not sure if it is possible if it plays by canon by the "blablabla IF YOU USE GUNS FUCK YOU blablabla" rule that Nasu has
    >> Halfassed Odysseus statting for y'all WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:50 No.18730671
    Spirit: Odysseus

    Strength: A
    Endurance: B+
    Agility: A
    Mana: B
    Luck: E
    Noble Phantasm: A+

    Abilities - Independent Action: Odyseus doens't need a Master for mana, blah blah.

    Mystic Eyes of Whisper - Odysseus can convince someone of damn near anything. Servants of B rank or lower are inclined to believe what he says is true.


    What else should Odysseus have?
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)21:51 No.18730675
    I agree with lovecraft, he fits caster to a tee. Though he does meet the requirements for berserker, he wouldn't work as a mindless character. Though perhaps under certain conditions he could... channel? an elder god and gain the power of a berserker for a time. That plus mind melting magic.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:51 No.18730680
    I've always wanted to see The Zodiac as Assassin. Especially since the story teller has free reign to make stuff up about him/her.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:52 No.18730700
    Fate/Stay Night being done with Riddle of Steel?
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:53 No.18730704
    Hell, Jack The Ripper would work well as an assassin. They never found him. He struck very specific targets in a general area. Serial Killers are after all, a lot like assassins.
    Dear god though, his Phantasms would be plain TERRIFYING, born of his own likely psychosis. And god help his master if its a woman.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:54 No.18730724
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:55 No.18730734
    Wait. What if Zodiac was just Jack in a former Grail War? Jesus, the random thoughts I get at 9'o'Clock
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)21:56 No.18730763
    We are in Washington, a state famous for breeding serial killers. With that in mind, a serial killer as the assassin works pretty well, puts a bit of local flavor into the war. Bonus points for native killers (not hard, most of them are)
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)21:56 No.18730769
    We generally played it up as "Fuck Nasu, we're /tg/. Rule of Fun trumps Nasu's BS logic."

    His NP is a little broken (Let's one-shot a Master. GG, guys!), but the whole moral compunctions thing might be kind of interesting.

    A solid old standby. Nasuverse canon has Jack being an adorable, bloodthirsty loli, but this is we're not beholden to Nasuverse canon. I liked the idea from the old thread, about how Jack had a reality marble called Whitechapel which trapped victims in a maze while he played cat-and-mouse games.

    he would also work very well as Assassin. Good fit for Archer, too, if we didn't love Odysseus so much
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:57 No.18730774
    Zodiac used a gun. Jacks victims were all mutilated.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:57 No.18730779
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    Well, we can always refluff him. But good god that is just creepy.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:58 No.18730786

    This guy is a very scary assassin and would probably make a even scarier Lancer
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:58 No.18730790
    Yeah. I'm just bringing it up if you want a base to start him with.

    And I guess pointing out that it exists if somebody cares too much.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)21:59 No.18730795
    Good point. Maybe it was more Jack trying to blend in.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)21:59 No.18730807
    Copying my Maupin. I know shit about ranks, though.

    Julie d'Aubigny, La Maupin - Saber
    Strength B, Endurance C, Agility B, Mana C, and Luck B
    (can't get away with so much without some enhanced Luk)
    Magic resistance A, Riding B

    Young Spirit: A drawback. As a recent spirit, her Str an End have been downgraded one level.

    Wild Courtesan: La Maupin is a tumultuous and powerful personality. Her charm works beyond situation and context, making life more... interesting. La Maupin can adopt female clothing through this ability.

    The Male Rayment: Maupin fought in male clothing and didn't know defeat. Mundane weapons are useless, and other attacks can be avoided by her Luk. La Maupin adopts male clothes through this ability.

    So she won't stand toe to toe directly to other Servants, but Saber MagiRes and Male Rayment means she is hard to chew. Wild Courtesan is just a powderkeg waiting to explode and can be very useful outside combat, as long as you want to face the consequences.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)22:01 No.18730829


    Normally Masters supply Prana/Mana/Whatever to the Servant.

    However, some Masters have shit magic Circuits, and need to feed their Servants some other way. The only 'natural' sources of Prana are in sexual fluid and blood.

    Some Servants (Caster in 5th Grail War) subsisted on having sex with their master. Others (5th War Rider) did so by accosting/killing people on the streets.

    The killings of some of the killers were prana-charging rites! Holy fuck, that is terrifying and awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:02 No.18730836
    Guile, given some time to think and plan Odysseus can create a near flawless stratagem that if followed properly leads to success in his goals.

    Something about his bow that only he could draw and he shot through 12 axe heads to prove it was him, then he slaughtered the suitors with it.

    Something to do with his journeys like him obtaining the bag of wind, walking down to the underworld and stabbing a cyclops in the eye.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:02 No.18730850
    Also trying to find a way to give him a proper mythic sword, but while his described abilities are very much Saber as an all-arounder, he was a spear-fighter through pretty much all his legends.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:03 No.18730868
    Just wondering since Jack the ripper is based around whitechapel could the character have crossover with the idea of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde since theywere so close together.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:04 No.18730892
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    Jack seems to just get scarier and scarier. Jesus fuck.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:04 No.18730898
    STR: B
    END: C
    AGI: B
    MAN: C
    LUK: F (Below human standard)

    Skills -
    Independent Action (EX) : Odysseus can function without mana from a Master for as many as ten years before dispersing.

    Tongue of the Cunning (B) : Odysseus's words ring true, regardless of context. Anything he says is taken as the truth, unless evidence is brought forth against it within a few minutes.

    Noble Phantasm: Bow of the Ox
    Rank: A+
    Type: Anti-Unit

    A bow with incredible power. Only those with a Strength rating of B or greater can even draw it. The arrows move as Odysseus wishes, and never lose kinetic energy until they reach their designated 'target'. Nonmagical defenses and cover are rendered useless. The only defense is a defensive Noble Phantasm of rank B or greater or high LUK.

    Noble Phantasm: The Odyssey
    Rank: C

    A great ship that Odysseus used in his long journey home. It is impervious to the forces of nature, and can be steerred even through the worst of storms.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:05 No.18730911

    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:07 No.18730948

    I'd say High AGI should permit evasion of his NB.

    Also dat LUK, Cid got E too, war end with rock fall, everyone die?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:07 No.18730953
    I thought of giving him a skill to represent his fieghned madness, but... meh
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:08 No.18730975
    Dude needs some Eye of the Mind to represent his justasplanned.gif.

    >Eye of the Mind (False) (心眼(偽), Shingan (Nise)?) is an innate talent to sense and avoid danger based on intuition, that can also be called the Sixth Sense or prescience, gained through many ordeals and adventures. As a natural talent to avoid danger, it greatly differs from Eye of the Mind (True), which is danger avoidance that originates from “predictions augmented by experience”.

    >Eye of the Mind (True) (心眼(真), Shingan (Shin)?) is heightened insight that was refined through experience.
    >B: Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability greatly improves the chances of winning.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:10 No.18731003
    Gave him False. Seems to fit him better.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:10 No.18731004
    Or Guile at an insane rank.

    Is Fionn himself much of a planner? No. But pop his thumb in his mouth and he'll know just what to do.

    >Sucks his thumb for a few minutes
    >"Okay, if I stick to throwing Starbucks, we'll never run out of ammo."
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:10 No.18731005
    With that in mind, an Eye of the Mind (True) in the C+ to B range sounds legit. God knows Odysseus had enough experiences, and he always had a plan to get through, no matter what the circumstances.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:11 No.18731020
    Jack would be a young spirit, barely 200 years old. But terrifying. He's had time to perfect his art. He's had time to learn to change his methods. He's had time to learn to savor the hunt. Physically, he should be pretty much all around average. Nothing special to look at. And that's part of the danger. At anytime, he might just *snap*. And you never know what might set him off. Any of his phantasms should reflect this. Being able to just ooze fear, knowing where his target is, things that control his rampages. Oh, and his rampages? He doesn't flip the fuck out. He's just icy calm. Smiling as he rips your guts out or shoots you in the skull. Just smiling.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:12 No.18731028
    >Finn vs. Odysseus
    >Supernatural wisdom vs. Insane experience
    >Finn is just chucking fucking building after building at Odysseus with the Giant's Causeway


    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:12 No.18731038
    I don't think you can even have a Grail war without Tohsaka participation, the three families each provide something necessary. The Tohsaka family specifically calls forth the Servants, I believe.

    As for Assassin, since it's somewhat historical that the word itself calls back to the Hassan assassins, I think it's well enough to leave it at that unless you really want to bring in some other extremely famous assassin, and even then you'd need a really strong relic to call them instead of Hassan.

    As for Saber, from wikipedia:
    >Accounts of Fionn's death vary; according to the most popular, he is not dead at all, rather, he sleeps in a cave somewhere beneath Ireland, surrounded by the rest of the Fianna. One day they will awake and defend Ireland in the hour of her greatest need. In one account, it is said they will arise when the Dord Fiann (his hunting horn) is sounded three times, and they will be as strong and as well as they ever were.

    That sounds a lot like a Noble Phantasm, although I don't know if you've planned that out yet, or if someone already brought it up.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:13 No.18731045
    So who's gonna end up Genderswapped?

    >Odysseys has F LUK
    >Grail troll him and lolify him

    Off to a great start
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:13 No.18731053
    Query. Why is Finn a Saber instead of a Lancer?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:14 No.18731056
    Tohsaka provided the Land.
    Makiri, the command spells.
    Einzbern, the underlying magic.

    Tohsaka isn't necessary.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:14 No.18731072
    >Dord Fiann
    >Summon all of the Fianna alongside Finn, their lord
    >Diarmuid is a Heroic Spirit of high class who could be Lancer or Saber all on his own




    That's some Roland-class horn of the oliphaunt shit.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:15 No.18731077
    The writer for Baccano! did a holy grail war himself - and that's what Jack was like.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:15 No.18731094
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    Viking of Stanford Bridge

    Str: B
    End: A
    Agi: C
    Mana: C
    Luck: D
    NP: A


    Battle Continuation: C

    Guardian Knight: D

    Noble Phantasm:

    Let None Past
    Rank A

    Representing the misdirection needed to kill him in life, Berserker is immune to all attacks from the front.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:16 No.18731101
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    Oh, and he should maybe sing something, like a nursery rhyme for added total insanity.
    "Jack Be Nimble. Jack Be Quick. Jack Shall Kill You With A Candlestick."
    Something like that.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:16 No.18731106
    >This happens
    >El Cid is hit in the heart by Bow of the Ox while having every male in the city sans masters in his army
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:16 No.18731114
    Stats and his extreme Magic Resistance.

    Diarmuid had Magic Resistance, so he could fly as either.

    Use him as whichever is more convenient

    But seriously

    Noble Phantasm: Dord Fiann

    Rank: S++

    The horn of the fallen Finn Mac Cool, which will save Ireland in time of peril. Sounded three times, it summons the entire circle of the Fianna, each a noble and powerful Heroic Spirit in their own right. Its prana costs are hilariously impractical, on tier with a Reality Marble or True Sorcery.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:17 No.18731124

    >Washington is a fucking warzone and the army is called in
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:17 No.18731125
    Really? I just guessed what he'd be like. Seems to be what a serial killer as an assassin should be though. Insane. Mad. And you never, ever see them coming.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:17 No.18731128
    Yeah, I was just under the impression that Sabers had to have some element of "myth of the sword" involved with them on top of the high stats and magic resistance.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:18 No.18731147
    >Berserker: Jack the Ripper. In this flawed copy, since Jack was already bloodthirsty, somehow turning him into The Berserker actually resulted in the opposite. He is now completely calm. Since nobody knew who Jack the Ripper was, Jack can shapeshift into any legend of Jack the Ripper he wants to be. His master is a doof, who used a toy knife to summon him. However, a Fake knife in a Fake Grail War worked just fine to summon a Fake Berserker from a Fake Hero.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:18 No.18731148
    >The Fianna vs. the army of El Cid vs. Odysseus vs. Some Other Fucks

    Seattle is so goddamned doomed.

    We're gonna burn this city down.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:19 No.18731168
    Yeah, that's my main concern.

    He could just be a top rank, highly dangerous Lancer as well. I'm cool with him in either position, as long as he ends up throwing something monumental at someone as a means of conflict resolution.
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)22:20 No.18731174
    Hunter's Prey (EX)
    Jack never liked prostitutes. The reason why is lost to history, but his hatred could never be quenched. Whenever Jack comes across a lady of the night, he stops whatever he is doing to stalk, accost, and stab her to the exclusion of all else, even the commands of his Master.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:21 No.18731198
    Wasn't Rider from that thing The Black Death? As in the Bubonic Plague, and it rode people?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:21 No.18731203

    I'm one to think he'd fit better as a Lancer.

    A very, very scary one

    LUK E
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:21 No.18731208
    Yes. They wanted the Yellow Emperor but got the Black death... in the Emperor.

    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:22 No.18731211
    He was mental, but not stupid. He's not going to drop anything in ADHD fashion every time he sees a hooker. It would make more sense that he has to kill a prostitute every so often to avoid a morale penalty.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:22 No.18731230
    Ah, yeah, now I remember. That works.

    I just love the idea of the Saber NP being an anti-army phantasm that's an army of mythical Irish badasses.

    You could compensate by not allowing him to use his lance, only a sword. Classes don't have to fit perfectly to the Hero, but the Hero does/can change to fit the class.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:22 No.18731233
    And in the meantime, Jack would be smiling. And he'd light the match. Just because. It would be fun to see how many he could finish off before disappearing into the US, a line of bodies in his wake.

    I'm actually scaring myself a bit at just how much I can understand about this sort of character.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:24 No.18731255
    Yeah, that would work. And as the bodies start to pile up, the police would start to take interest...
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:24 No.18731260
    What happens when the US decides to send in its army to stop all this magical city-destruction?

    What if it just bombs the city?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:24 No.18731261
    If you have him as a Lancer then I don't really like the idea of his NP being an army, since Lancer classes are typically anti-personnel, no?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:26 No.18731283
    >US bombing it's own city

    Nah, I don't see that happening. The magical association would just act as normal and conceal the Grail War, wouldn't they?
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:26 No.18731294
    The conflict would probably just move into the outskirts or even possibly all the way to the great plains before that sort of thing happens. I don't think any master wants the Grail War to be interfered with by non-contestants.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:26 No.18731295
    That's true. Depriving him of his venom'd spear would cost him a deadly weapon and part of his magic resistance [made up for by his class switch]

    He was a perfectly capable swordsman, he just preferred the lance.

    Of course, then his Noble Phantasms are the fairly tame "Can throw ANYTHING, ever" and "SUMMON THE FUCKING CELTIC KNIGHTS OF THE ROUND FOR AN ASSBEATING NOT SEEN THIS SIDE OF FF7"
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:26 No.18731296
    Then the fight moves underground.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:27 No.18731311
    Caster: Väinämöinen. BARDSONG.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:27 No.18731327
    Lancer's Gae Bolg could be anti-personnel or anti-army.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)22:28 No.18731330
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    I think I came.

    Fuck this, I think I just broke my "Quests Aren't For Me" ban. THIS SHALL BE GLORIOUS!

    Shall we archive this?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:28 No.18731341

    Lancer are described as one of the three Knights class, so I don't see one couldn't be a King as glorious as Iskander.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:28 No.18731349
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    What system is this being made with?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:29 No.18731357
    True. So basically, we can divide Finn into two figures: Lancer Finn, the young Finn who struck down the faerie, and Saber Finn, the Lord of the Fianna. Lancer Finn has an actual Noble Phantasm weapon, but Saber Finn has the potential to accidentally the whole war. Though given the requirements... is there any mage on the planet who'd be capable of producing/tracing enough artifacts to summon the entire Fianna, much less providing prana for upwards of twelve Heroic Spirits at once?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:29 No.18731364

    >I don't see why one couldn't...
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:30 No.18731381
    Just for the brainstorming, yes. This deserves it.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:30 No.18731397
    Don Quixote: Lancer or Berserker?
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)22:31 No.18731410
    Just a planning thread? Nah.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:32 No.18731445
    How was an unstoppable lance thrust anti-army? I think it was specifically mentioned in FSN as anti-personnel and only good against one person at a time.

    As for Caster, I'm tossing in for Rasputin. His NP could be something to do with death resistance, like multiple lives or something.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:33 No.18731461
    Gae Bolg detonates when thrown.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:34 No.18731473
    >Finn v. El Cid
    >On one side: The Celtic equivalent of the Knights of the Round Table. On the other side, a fucking swarm of crazed Spanish conquistadors led by the riding corpse of their brave general
    >REBEL 3
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:34 No.18731484
    Oh dear god. So Jack, would probably be somewhere around a D or C, right? Someone like say, Moses would be an SX?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:35 No.18731496
    >Death resistance - any wound he has even the most remote chance to recover from, he does.
    >Hypnosis, charming ability, and EX endurance
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:35 No.18731509
    >Though given the requirements... is there any mage on the planet who'd be capable of producing/tracing enough artifacts to summon the entire Fianna, much less providing prana for upwards of twelve Heroic Spirits at once?

    Well I'd imagine it would only be a temporary summoning. Like through a Reality Marble or something.

    Alternatively, it could be a plot point that there's a huge mana cost involved and that using that NP more than once would exhaust the Master and lead to Finn being absorbed into the Grail.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:36 No.18731518

    Anti-Windmill NP.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:36 No.18731525
    Jack likely has an EX skill for hiding, an A rank offensive NP.

    Moses probably has EX magic but mostly shit skills otherwise.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:36 No.18731529
    Got to have something involving the Trojan Horse in there. It was his idea, after all.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:38 No.18731562
    >Reality Marble
    >Called into the cave where the Fianna are interred
    >They all wake up
    >You gonna get raped

    God, the match-ups are so glorious. Wise kings and brave generals and insane knights.

    Odysseus vs. Finn would be hilarious just to watch Finn try to match Odysseus's OP bow through sheer quantity with the Giant's Causeway

    "He struck through twelve Starbucks in a single shot! Ironically, he also killed every hipster. They lined up just perfectly to call Odysseus out on being too mainstream and well, that was that."
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:39 No.18731571
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    >Anti-Windmill NP.
    Why do I actually want him as lancer now?
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)22:39 No.18731572
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    A general quest for /tg/ in the Not Too Distant Future.

    As for an actual game: we had some discussion here about how to use Dresden Files: >>18729480
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:41 No.18731608
    Quixote was never a warrior anyway.
    Berserker would make him actually won battles with Mad Enhancement.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:41 No.18731610
    That picture gives new meaning to the phrase "Rule of Cool"
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:43 No.18731643
    Some...ability to bypass any barrier or obstruction undetected given enough preparation time? It's pretty Assassin-y, but Odysseus was never, ever one for a fair fight anyway.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:44 No.18731644
    That's what the lying skill is for.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:44 No.18731652
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    What system is this that assigns stats with a letter grade? I must know.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:44 No.18731655
    Ah. Considering he was likely the Zodiac Killer in a previous war, the EX hiding makes sense.
    Theoretical A Offensive Phantasm for him: Knife in the Alley - Jack always liked getting up close and personal to his victims. Jack uses the shadows to close in on his target, moving seemingly without ever entering the light, faster that human reflexes can even respond too. Then he does his trademark, carving the victim up and removing the internal organs. Or at the very least seriously injuring them.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:45 No.18731667
    >Quixote was never a warrior anyway.

    That's the point! He a joke summoning. He calls his master Sancho Panza and rushes blindly into danger at he drop of a hat, then gets out alive because no one knows how to deal with him.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:45 No.18731669
    Nasu system

    [spoiler]The ratings are basically meaningless.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:45 No.18731679
    >Berserker uncertain

    Let someone summon the Green Knight as a Counter Guardian or Wraith (in fact, keep it open until the last moment).

    So while everyone kills the whole city in big wars, an immortal goes around severing limbs and repairing himself.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:46 No.18731693
    >Green Knight Berserker

    Dude, overpowered.
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    This should get /a/ in here.

    Asuka Langley Soryu
    Str D
    End A
    Ag C
    Mana C
    Luck F
    NP B
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)22:47 No.18731703
    Beowulf seems a likely candidate at the moment. The viking at stanford bridge was also proposed.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:47 No.18731718

    >LUK EX
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:48 No.18731730
    Asuka isn't even a Hero or a Legend.

    She'd be even weaker than Hassan in a straight fight.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:49 No.18731751
    So what would be his Noble Phantasms?

    The Impossible Dream?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:50 No.18731769
    He would be Lancer or Rider. Rider's taken so he could only be summoned as Lancer in this War.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:53 No.18731811
    It's just part of the franchise.

    We should make it a real system though.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:53 No.18731813
    I like the viking at stanford bridge for Berserker. He was fulfilling the role of protector which is unique for Berserkers.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)22:54 No.18731828
    Caster Class

    STR: E
    END: D
    AGI: E
    MAN: EX (see: Mephistopheles )
    LUK: A


    Summoning (EX): Faust may summon any being that is not a Deity without loss of status, however, this drains his Master's mana instead of Faust's. Thus, a second Servant may not be summoned without loss of status.

    Spellcraft (A): Knowledge of how to reconstruct 'miracles' that cannot be accomplished by science.

    Noble Phantasm: Mephistopheles
    Rank: EX

    A familair of great and terrible power, summoned through an unholy deal with Satan. Mephistopheles will advise both Faust and the Master, and will not attempt to mislead or decieve either. He can cast spells at a Spellcraft skill of A. Faust uses Mephistopheles to commit all casting except his Summoning. If Mephistopheles is dispersed, Faust may summon him again, though the process can take some time, it is 'free'.

    How's that?
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:54 No.18731831
    I know everyone loves the Lovecraft idea, but given Bluebeard did that territory...

    Harun al-Rashid, Caster. The Mystical Wonders of Baghdad's Golden Age at the hands of one devout wise-man. He's the Arabic Solomon.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:54 No.18731837
    Just a form of FATE. Replace the normal skill latter with the letter-based one.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:55 No.18731857
    Just do form of FATE. Replace the normal skill latter with the letter-based one.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:56 No.18731865
    Or Schezerade under the same logic, given most of those stories are her work.

    Noble Phantasm: The 1,001 Nights
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:57 No.18731885
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    His Final Noble Phantasm would be something like this

    Knight of the Mirrors:
    Like it was done to him, Don Quixote can break all fantasy around him, pushing everyone into the harsh reality.
    All Noble Phantasms of people around stop working and all status will go down 2 levels
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:57 No.18731886

    The other servants have armies and physical immunity, that's the whole point of having him there. Make him a quiet man without fixed weapon and a distaste for the lack of properness other teams have.

    Whenever shit happens hard, roll to see if the Green Knight appears to pull some limbs clean from their bearers. Basically, Servants are the Joker and he is an immortal bank manager with a shotgun.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:59 No.18731910
    I'm not even sure what Quixote could even do. I haven't read those stories since high school. I just think he would be an interesting character in all this chaos.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:59 No.18731915
    Unkillable-the ability to reform after death

    Rank C The servant takes several weeks to reform, and there are small scars from the killing wounds

    Decoy-The ability to draw the rage of others towards the servant, forceing them to attack them

    Rank C The servant can make opponents already in combat prioritize them over others
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)22:59 No.18731916
    Honestly, I just want to see someone summon an honest to god, 'man-of-fire-and-dusk' djinn to fuck shit up.

    And Harun al-Rashid deserves recognition. I'd basically be playing his incarnation straight out of the World's End arc of The Sandman though - this insanely powerful, bored philosopher king whose only wish is that the glory that he built, the true and golden Baghdad, survive forever, with an insane vault of mystical tricks [including the second egg of the phoenix, which never hatches]
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)23:02 No.18731977
    Looks like were going with Faust then.
    Also, If we make the Viking at Stanford Bridge Berserker, that could allow us to have Beowulf (Who wielded a sword crafted by giants) as saber, and then throw Finn in as Lancer. Boom. Problem solved, Line- up complete.
    Also, my take on Jacks stats
    Jack The Ripper
    STR: D
    END: C
    AGI C
    MAN: F
    LUK: B
    Hiding (EX) After all, the never found who he was. And there is a chance he was the elusive Zodiac.
    Weaponry Skill: (Knives, A) The Ripper prides himself on his skill with knives. It was his calling card in mortal life after all...

    Noble Phantasm: Knife in the Alley
    Rank: A
    Jack always liked getting up close and personal to his victims. Jack uses the shadows to close in on his target, moving seemingly without ever entering the light, faster that human reflexes can even respond too. Then he does his trademark, carving the victim up and removing the internal organs. Or at the very least seriously injuring them.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:04 No.18732004
    Alternatively, Beowulf Berserker, Siegfried the Dragon-Slayer for Saber.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:04 No.18732007

    I'd personally want Charlemagne as Saber, seem more fitting
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:05 No.18732012
    Possible systems to adapt:

    Lacuna. Noble Phantasms work like danger multipliers or extra dice. Heart Rate system may be kept as Endurance, limiting long conflicts.

    Quick System. Noble Phantasms and magic reduce target difficulty just like items. Having Luk, End as dump "HP" stats could work great for hardier characters.

    FATE Dresden Files. The crunchiest. Compels and Aspects make for enhanced storytelling/participation.
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    I got to wonder, if you were to run a game in the FATE setting how would you deal with the Servants RP wise? Would they players talk for their own servant or what? I could see that being weird
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:07 No.18732044
    Masters are mortals using mortal stunts, and the PCs.

    Servants are their insanely powerful NPCs with crazy magical powers, who they direct and provide with mana in the form of mental and physical stress [to help power NP through mana] and Fate points [because let's face it, Servants are going to have Refresh so low it's fucking geological]

    Essentially, the players are running around commanding Plot Device-level NPCs to do battle with each other while plotting to murder each other for the holy grail.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:10 No.18732085
    He would be an interesting guy to have around. Wouldn't be around long, of course, but he'd be a treat during his stay on earth.
    >> Arch-Magos Winter !!GgQN8rJg+y8 04/15/12(Sun)23:11 No.18732096
    Good ideas. But how do we do phantasms for them?
    Line up Currently:
    Rider: El Cid Confirmed
    Saber: Finn McCool, as of now
    Lancer: Uncertain
    Caster: Faust seems to be this one, unconfirmed
    Archer: Odysseus, seems to be confirmed, but unsure
    Assassin: Jack the Ripper is seeming to be the likely choice, but unconfirmed.
    Berserker: Might be Beowulf. Might be Stanford Viking. Unconfirmed as of yet
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)23:11 No.18732098
    Some of us haven't read any of the series. And brain melting magic would fit in well in this matchup, specifically as a counter to all the extra people being drawn in in this matchup.

    I was thinking an ability to summon mythos creatures, non-dietys mostly.

    Another ability to channel power from the elder/outer gods, gaining power but putting extreme mental strain on the Master.

    An Elder Sign, an anti-magic/anti-ability spell

    And finally something where he wakes Great Cthulhu up, becoming a berserker until Cthulhu falls back to sleep (lets say R'lyeh is right off shore for shits 'n giggles), with massive stat boosts.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:11 No.18732112
    My preferred line-up, though I know others were leaning elsewhere:

    Saber: Siegfried
    Lancer: Finn Mac Cool
    Rider: El Cid
    Archer: Odysseus
    Caster: Harun al-Rashid
    Berserker: Beowulf
    Assassin: Jack the Ripper
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:12 No.18732117
    He would disregard the Grail War and go vote for Ron Paul instead.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:14 No.18732135
    Okay, that makes sense and it works. I guess the DM would have to give voice to all of them? That would get a bit intense when more than one is on the scene though
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:14 No.18732141
    No, he would run for president.

    Ron Paul is Don Quixote.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:14 No.18732143
    We've got options for Lancer, there's Musashibo Benkei as my preferred option. But we can also trawl through the Legend of the Three Kingdoms for one, there ought to be a few options in there.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:15 No.18732146
    I'm going to be giving a few casters a try.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:15 No.18732149
    Well, Siegfried has his near-invulnerability [except for a single leaf-shaped patch] and Gram to serve as Noble Phantasms. I could see Gram basically working along the lines of Excalibur, with the bonus fact that he's SUPER EFFECTIVE against Dragons [not likely to come up much, but worth noting]

    Charlemagne has his paladins and Durandal, though that I would give more directly to Roland if we used him.

    Harun, well... imagine every insane fantasy ever drawn from the 1001 Nights. Djinns of insane power, men made of living fire, a crazy vault of treasures, rings that bind demons, probably some kind of mystical Reality Marble.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)23:16 No.18732163
    I'm okay with this
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:17 No.18732167
    Sorcerous viziers, dark mysteries... Harun is the ultimate sorceror-king east of the Balkans, short of pulling full on Baba Yaga As Caster shenanigans.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:18 No.18732188
    Looks like Lancer is Don Quixote, although that's still unconfirmed too.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:25 No.18732276
    Caster Class

    STR: E
    END: E
    AGI: E
    MAN: EX
    LUK: EX


    Iron Mind (EX): Lovecraft and his master are perfectly centered in their minds. No event, sight, or truth can break their sanity.

    Magecraft (B): Lovecraft is capable of basic magecraft.

    Noble Phantasm: The Elder Signs
    Rank: EX

    Lovecraft is capable of sealing areas from supernatural activity with absolute certainty, so long as he can place a series of signs within the territory. Said area reverts all Heroic Spirits to basic humans, all Noble Phantasms to either simple weapons or mere tale, and all skills to the peak of human ability. Placing these signs takes one minute for each, and the amount needed to cover an area depends on magic already present and the area needed to be covered. The area also acts as a perfect barrier against abilities that rely entirely on Prana, and can disable other attacks.

    Noble Phantasm: The Forgotten City
    Rank: EX

    By utilizing a ritual, Lovecraft can bend the space of a large area, randomizing where doors and paths lead entirely. The spell last as long as Lovecraft can maintain it and as long as his Master can stand it.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:25 No.18732288
    For raw stats, Siegfried and Beowulf are the oldest, though Odysseus would get a boost out of being so well known. Finn is older, but more obscure, so his raw stats come mostly from him being a sort of proto-Arthurian figure that makes him pretty recognizable. El Cid is one of the youngest, but very well known and celebrated in his country, so he'd punch at a decent level. Harun al-Rashid is rarely referenced but is the archetypical sultan of Arabian fantasy so he'd probably be among the weaker guys in this line-up. Jack the Ripper is the youngest, so he'd probably have the worst raw stats.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:27 No.18732312
    I like Don Quixote as a Mad Lancer, with an anti-fortress NP.

    He'd be great just for the character. Then give him the standard Servant level physical abilities and good dialogue and he's set.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:28 No.18732341
    Lee Harvey Oswald

    Noble Phantasms: Magic Bullet
    Lee can his shots trajectory to hit one or more targets with a single shot

    Reality Marble: The Grassy Knoll
    He can summon a patch of land with armed duplicates of himself
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)23:29 No.18732359
    Fuck ALL the magicz.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:30 No.18732362
    The Forgotten City ounds like a good counter to the Green Knight waltzing in and tearing arms off.

    On the other hand, The Elder Signs would would put everyone at the Green Knight's mercy.

    I like it, Lovecraft for Caster.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:30 No.18732372
    You want a Lancer?

    Cucullhain (Gaebolg as his primary NP)

    There you go.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:31 No.18732385
    Just saying.

    King Solomon. Seriously, the guy even has a legendary grimoire and magical ring.

    Still pushing for The Three musketeers has Saber and Elizabeth Bathory (Female Dracula / the first recorded female serial killer) as Assassin.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:32 No.18732404
    They already DID that.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:33 No.18732413
    I want Harun for pretty much the same reasons

    That and this is an incredibly white-boy cast.

    How Euro-centric.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:37 No.18732473

    >That and this is an incredibly white-boy cast.

    I know, right? Still, it's just so badass.

    Two more casters to write up - if someone can actually attempt a stat block for Harun that'd be awesome.
    >> Daydreaming Sorcerer !!b5l+FtcbxWX 04/15/12(Sun)23:37 No.18732474
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    Was waiting for someone to remember her. Back when I decided to give this kind of thing a shot, she was working quite nicely for it. Had two NP's for her, with one being a reality marble. The RM, "Millennial Night", gave her the ability to summon other servants while inside of it, so Sinbad, Aladdin, and so many others became at her disposal.
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    This is just something i did because i was bored but hey

    Spirit:Winchester Rifle "The gun that conquered the West"
    Alignment:True Neutral
    Noble Phantasm:A

    Class Skills
    Independent Action: EX
    Magic Resistence: C

    Personal Skills
    Accuracy: A

    Noble Phantasm:

    True Grit
    Type:ProUnit(i guess?)
    >The Winchester become famous because it was make everyone, from Golden Prospectors to Hookers capable of killing any enemy. Everyone who uses the gun will have all the attributes and skills of the Gun

    Once Upon A Time in the West
    Type:Anti Army
    >This was the gun that won the west, every single user of it had to survive through the difficult landscape. With this Noble Phantasm every enemy around, suffers penalty in Strenght, Endurance ,Agility and Luck, while the user status goes up one rank, while the Luck Skyrockets to A+. To survive in the west you need to be tough and quick but you need specially to be Lucky

    >pic related
    >The last conqueror
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:38 No.18732493
    >That and this is an incredibly white-boy cast
    We have two spaniards and a greek.

    That said, Solomon and Harun are both good casters. But, you know, so is Lovecraft, and he has more interesting unconventional aspects to him.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/15/12(Sun)23:39 No.18732511
    So: Harun, Lovecraft or Faust?

    I rather like Lovecraft, but I'm partial to the old bastard. Any one of these would be excellent, especially Harun for the Arabian Nights theme
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:40 No.18732518
    I think people are mistaking my idea for an Archer that uses a gun.

    There's still a personal legend, like Billy the Kid. However, instead of summoning the Spirit into reality, you shove them into their own Noble Phantasm (The gun) and weild it, thus becoming the Servant yourself. It's not used because it erodes your sense of self, and it's hightly dependant on a single weapon/ability set.
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)23:40 No.18732522
    We're /tg/, not many of us are well versed in non-european mythology.

    I still want a gun user somewhere, but lancer/caster/berserker aren't good classes for it.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:40 No.18732528
    Noble Phantasm: The Impossible Ideal- Man of La Mancha.

    Quixote delusions replace the real world, allowing him to achieve his knightly ideal. Anything within the Man of La Manchas sight becomes twisted to fit his madness; Buildings become monsters, his enemies become nights, and his master becomes a knightly squire.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:42 No.18732540
    Shall we archive this?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:43 No.18732562
    I wouldn't mind terribly.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:44 No.18732575
    >Don Quixote

    >Luck EX
    >Knight of the Mirrors
    >Anti-Fortress NP

    The Dreamer's Solitude: Quixote is so explicit in his fantastical beliefs that people get convinced to avoid him at all costs. Only those with high level Mana or Luck keep their wits enough to fight against him.

    So Servants summon armies? Quixote starts a diatribe on what real virtue is and everyone puts on their NOPE faces while walking away from the ignorant crazy man.

    Summon him as Berserker? Chivalrous Quest: Convinced of his righteousness and tall persona, every item Quixote keeps with him is automatically a level A Noble Phantasm.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:44 No.18732583
    Iberians are still white boys. Likewise Mediterraneans. I'm just saying, this line-up hasn't gotten east of Greece and that's sad.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:47 No.18732623
    No i get it.
    i just done that because i'm slighty annoyed by Nasu rule "WANT GUNSLINGER? FUCK YOU, GUNS ARE SHAMEFUR DISPRAY, HAVE HONORARY SWORD"
    So yeah, just summon the fucking gun and bam.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:51 No.18732680
    An idea, /tg/. Perhaps not one for this quest, but I just want to see how people would take this idea.

    It's possible for servants to not be heroes, but spirits, ideals, events (Archer to a degree, Rider Black death)- I might not be 100% accurate on this, but given some leaneacy and an open mind, it's within the realms of possibility I think.

    So what about The Manhattan project... as a servant? A personification of the dawn of the era of Nuclear war and the threats and fear involved. If anything could be a powerhouse and still be a "modern" era servant, why not this? Nuclear danger and warfare has changed the face of war and strewn pure paranoia into the entire globe. A Pandoras box, if you will. And if you wanted to fluff it up, all that fear, anger, selfish desire... all that negativity and its density combined and became a servant.

    so I ask you, what sort of abilities would this servant have? Or even simpler, what sort of class might they be? I'm thinking caster or Beserker, myself.

    Mostly just pondering and wondering how /tg/ would take / adapt such an idea.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:52 No.18732709
    Do something like ZeroBerserker picking up a gun (Or Caster, the Magic Trinket Making Class, cooks up a gun).

    Also, don;t forget that we're not statting Masters yet. Odysseus picks up a /k/ommando of a Master and bam! Guns. Literally.

    I also endorse Lovecraft having a black guy as a Master. Some law student who happened upon his Magical heritage. Hilarity ensues
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:53 No.18732724
    I concur. In this regard, Nasu is a fag. Billy the Kid is a perfectly acceptable hero and should be summonable. If we're going western though, Pecos Bill would be cooler and his power level fits better. No other hero can lasso a tornado. But he'd pretty much have to be Rider and that's taken.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/15/12(Sun)23:54 No.18732732
    >we're not statting Masters yet

    haha, what? El Cid's in stone and Odysseus is pretty much the same.

    Lovecraft might use guns to execute Servants in his territory, however.

    Since, you know, none of them will know how to use one.
    >> That McGuyver 04/15/12(Sun)23:55 No.18732752
    It's cause nips are pretty big on their nogunz status.

    You know, nothing is stopping us from having a few more Masters, we could have the Gunslinger and perhaps a Monk class so Bruce Lee can... be Bruce Lee.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:56 No.18732754
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    You guys didn't want less white boys.
    you can't go wrong with Bass Reeves.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:56 No.18732767
    People get browner when you go more south, not more east.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:58 No.18732783
    Alright, pedant.

    It's a Euro-centric cast.

    Are you fucking happy now.
    >> Anonymous 04/15/12(Sun)23:59 No.18732800
    You just gave me an image of Lovecraft and his master doing a drive-by.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)00:01 No.18732825
    >Black law student
    >Lovecraft is rascist as fuck
    >They slowly become bros over the course of the story
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:01 No.18732830
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    "Despite the fact that he spent much of his life drilling folks in the head with bullets, Reeves' service record was utterly stainless. He killed fourteen men in gunfights – more than Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday, Billy the Kid, and Wild Bill Hickok - and wounded dozens more, but was never once convicted of unlawful use of force or murder or police brutality or any of that stupid crap. He couldn't be bribed or paid off, and one time he even hunted down and arrested his own son when the kid murdered Bass' daughter-in-law. Unbelievably, Bass Reeves was also apparently more bulletproof than a Steven Seagal movie, seeing as how he was never wounded once during his time on the force. He had his belt shot in two, his hat brim shot away, a button on his coat shot off, and his bridle reigns cut in half by bullets, but never felt the sting of a gunshot to any part of his body."

    From the Badass of the Week Site
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:02 No.18732846
    I always figured Lovecraft to be the casually dismissive kinda racist, less "I hate black people" and more "they're inherently less intelligent" Pairing him with a law student would work out well here.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)00:02 No.18732847
    Hey now, it wouldn't be that hard for there to be a japenese master - the Makiri one being a standout possibility.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:04 No.18732863
    Wait, I don't know a whole lot about these games. Are the characters here suppost to be the only ones of their kind in existance, or are there others?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:05 No.18732888
    Only one at a time, is my understanding.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)00:06 No.18732892
    Only one servant of any hero at a time.

    Only one servant of any class at a time (With exceptions)

    Only seven Masters.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:06 No.18732908
    Yeah, just saying, feel like Lovecraft is kind of a lame approach given we've already had two fancy monster Casters. I think we could have more fun with Solomon or Harun or something. I know we're mostly Ameri-and-Eurofags here, but it's a shame to see such a narrow range of mythological interest. Hell, I wouldn't even call Faust a mythical figure. Significant literary figure, but not mythical. And Lovecraft is purely out of /tg/'s hurr-durr 'Cthulhu is rad' fetish.

    Though I have to admit, the idea of him bound to a black master would be hilarious just to watch him squirm under the hand of a 'sub-human'. The man is a pitiful figure, it'd be fun to watch him suffer.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:07 No.18732914
    7 figures drawn from history and myth, each assigned a class and summoned by a master.


    They and their masters than fight to the death in the name of a magic ritual.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)00:08 No.18732947
    I love Solomon. He's probably my favourite biblical figure. I'm currently figuring his Noble Phantasms. If someone could do Harun for me that'd be grand.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:11 No.18733022
    >Hell, I wouldn't even call Faust a mythical figure. Significant literary figure, but not mythical.
    I concur. Old Scratch would be mythical, though, if we want to take elements from that mythos.

    >And Lovecraft is purely out of /tg/'s hurr-durr 'Cthulhu is rad' fetish.
    /tg/ has way less of a cthulhu fetish than a lot of places. Also in this case we made Lovecraft a defeater of Lovecraftian horrors, so yeah.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:11 No.18733027
    Too bad. Imagine EVERY hero from the past fighting each other in one last showdown.

    It would be glorious.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)00:12 No.18733049
    Given Seattle's massive online culture, each Master frequents 4chan by pure coincidence. Each one frequents a different board.

    We are the fa/tg/uy, a /k/ommando and his trusty nugget is a given, the Makiri frequents /a/ ect. ect.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:14 No.18733081
    You know, taking this into consideration, could a song also be summoned as a servant?

    Rider: Saturday Night Fervor?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:18 No.18733157
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    Harun al-Rashid [Aaron the Rightly Guided]


    Noble Phantasm: Bayt al-Hikma ["The House of Wisdom"]

    Rank: A+

    A vault-type Noble Phantasm, the House of Wisdom was the grandest library since Alexandria, home to a magnificent number of magical grimoires and the wisdom of the ages. Harun is capable of producing many tomes of wisdom from this library, giving him mastery of nearly all forms of sorcery, especially the binding and summoning of djinn and spirits.

    Noble Phantasm: The Caliph Walks Among the People

    Rank: C

    Harun al-Rashid is infamous for walking the streets of Baghdad in disguise - once, he was hired to assassinate himself by a group of conspirators. When this Noble Phantasm is active, he cannot be recognized by his seeming, but it cannot be used together with his other phantasms.

    Noble Phantasm: The Thousand and One Nights

    Rank: B

    Harun is the subject of many of the stories of the legendary collection known as the Thousand and One Nights, and is capable of playing any archetypical role in fiction. Because of this, he takes on an aspect of myth no matter where he goes - while this Noble Phantasm is active, Harun is always 'someone you know', capable of performing any mundane task through his vast store of wisdom. When the legends of the Caliph of Baghdad are spoken while he walks the Earth, he gathers mana, giving him an almost unlimited supply so long as his name is known and remembered - his glory and his power are one and the same under God.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)00:22 No.18733217
    >Jimmi Hendrix/Elvis/Michael Jackson for a Bard
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)00:22 No.18733219
    Solomon (King of Mages)
    Caster Class

    STR: E
    END: D
    AGI: E
    MAG: A+
    LUK: A


    Magecraft (EX): Solomon can replicate almost any Sorcery.

    Eye of the Mind (True) (EX) :heightened insight that was refined through experience. Capable of calm analysis of battle conditions even when in danger and deduce an appropriate course of action after considering all possibilities to escape from a predicament. So long there is even a 1% chance of a comeback, this ability almost ensures the chances of winning.

    Noble Phantasm: Seal of Solomon
    Rank: A+

    A ring that allows Solomon to control entities with a Divine or Unholy nature. The greater that nature, the easier it is to use on that subject. This ability is highly efficient in prana, and lasts for a long time - however, only five entities can be so controlled.

    Noble Phantasm: Key of Solomon
    Rank: EX

    A collection of magic spells that can be performed by anyone capable of replicating the pentacles. Said pentacles are incredibly prana-efficient and have a variety of effects, such that they encompass the entirety of Solomon's casting ability, which is enourmous.

    Damn, that's nifty.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:28 No.18733302
    I figure his House of Wisdom would magnify and make more efficient his sorcery... the man was a great admirer of Solomon and no doubt had Solomon's Key among his collection. With an easy way to generate mana and the enormous center of knowledge Baghdad was before the Mongols burned it to shit, I see him as an incredibly efficient magecraft machine, but one without any true Sorcery - Just slim, nasty, easily-produced wonders. Casual magic. This is a man who can command a carpet to fly not because of any quality of the carpet but because his course is the right one, decided by God, and the words he speaks are Truth.

    Harun is an incredible badass, a clever detective, a dangerous sorcerer, and a bold hero all at once, throughout the many tales of the Thousand and One Nights. He plays every role from hero to villain, but one thing never changes - as king or pauper, he is a man for whom command over the world around him is a state as natural as breathing.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)00:44 No.18733519
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:47 No.18733555
    Nobody has any ideas, or thoughts on this in particular?

    Possibly. Would be pretty funky indeed.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:51 No.18733589
    I think Don Quixote should be confirmed as Lancer, because he provides a unique perspective in this war.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:51 No.18733595
    Don Quixote as berserker.

    Yes I know he's not frothing at the mouth, but he IS famously crazy.

    All of my yes for Odysseus, Solomon and El Cid.

    I do love the idea of Rasputin.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:52 No.18733601
    I see no real president for using projects or songs, The Black Death however was frequently personified so maybe it was able to creep in that way.

    Try following this rule Keep It Simple Stupid
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:53 No.18733612
    Agreed. I think it's important to have one weird guy, it'd be a little boring to have EVERYONE summoning EX rank battle prowess. We need one guy who gets by on luck and eccentricity alone.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)00:54 No.18733624
    While a good idea and somewhat plausible, there's already plenty of great heroes and villians to pick from, nor does it really fit well with our current line up of thinkers and leaders.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:54 No.18733626
    Jack's pretty low-class, Harun is just a spell machinegun, Finn just chucks shit epically. The heavy hitters here are really restricted to Odysseus and maybe Siegfriend. And maybe El Cid, at the very least he's a bitch to take down.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:56 No.18733646
    Yeah but Finn's got that final showdown Knights of the Round NP in backup. GLORIOUS finale indeed.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)00:59 No.18733681
    Oh man

    Seattle's gonna shit itself. Most of these guys are low-class with potential for some utterly retarded burst of 'dear god what is that'

    It says something when Siegfriend's invulnerability is practically a guarantee that he won't be the winner in this war.

    Personally I'm just wondering if the mages can act fast enough to keep Seattle from turning into a whirling hell-hole of Conquistadors, efreeti, Fianna, murders and thrown buildings
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)01:00 No.18733696
    And Lovecraft could just straight NOPE someone's fight, making all these epic fighters into mere men. Trolly as fuck.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:01 No.18733727
    Lancer Quixote (seems to fit as foil to everyone)
    Berserker Green Knight

    Bros for life, caring more about their ideals than the Grail.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:02 No.18733742
    It's not a surprising thing. This is a Grail war after all: Everyone is completely broken, but each is broken in a completely different way.

    Really, it's the way a Grail War should be.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:02 No.18733745
    It's funny, but it's not really in keeping with the theme here. I dunno, I'm just not feeling Lovecraft as a 'heroic spirit'. His body of work is well known, but the man himself is a rather mundane racist who wasn't much of an author, frankly. I don't think he'd make the grade.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:07 No.18733822
    not to mention don would likely get a kcik outta meeting someone straight from arthurian legend.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:08 No.18733835
    Unless of you course, you tweaked what he actually was.

    As I recall, Lovecraft consistantly used himself as a character in his books. His heroic spirit could be the author and the character combined, as such- the writer embued with the perceptions of so many readers and his tales fames.

    I've figured before that Lovecraft could actually make a pretty neat beserker, though in a warped sense. The horrors of his tales spew out of his body, attacking anything in sight bar Lovecraft himself. Usually these unwarranted and unwanted "summonings" involve a lot of screaming, agony, torn flesh and blood and are quite horrifying to behold. Since the abominations summoned are individual and uncontrollable by Lovecraft himself, it means he has to stay very far away from his own Master, lest he endanger them indirectly.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)01:08 No.18733841
    Oh I get that. But it might be needed for him to show up and keep shit from getting too crazy, otherwise there might not be a Seattle what with buildings (god forbid a landmark) being chucked about or howitzer arrows or armies running around.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:08 No.18733843

    >Berserker green knight

    I like it.


    Didn't they basically do that in /Zero anyway? I mean I thought the artifact was the necronomicon and he summoned tentacle monsters from the deep.

    I could really see El Cid as a saber class since he has such an emphasis on swords. Frees up more options for riders as well since there seems to be a lot of options bandied about.

    *cough* red baron *cough*
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:13 No.18733900

    With Special Ability Nuclear Fission - Anti-World. Scour the landscape of all life.

    DUnno. I am tired. Forgive me, anon, for I am weak and mushy-brained
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)01:14 No.18733912
    Red Baron is cool and all, but have you ever been to Seattle? He'd barely be able to pull off strafing runs with all the narrow streets and tall buildings. You could just hop into an alley or around a corner and make him useless.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)01:16 No.18733937
    Yes, this is true. The place is horribly dense.

    Also all hills. They say that working there is hell because you'll always be heading uphill at least once no matter what.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:18 No.18733971
    If we can't have an ace, what about a famous tanker. Or general famous for using tanks atleast. Rommel maybe?
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/16/12(Mon)01:20 No.18733994
    Like mentioned earlier, Lovecraft as Caster is all about keeping shit from getting out of control the character would be like a Mythos investigator who managed to keep his shit together. he knows there's terrible things in the world. he knows that Ancient Things want to devour humanity. He's the guy who stand in between them and orgindary humanity. His magic is all about containing the unnatural and dangerous. he's basically a more nebbish version of Brigadier Ffellowes (Google it; shit is cash.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 04/16/12(Mon)01:21 No.18734005

    We're talking about Heroic Spirits, improbable bullshit? OF course it happens. And if not. Well imagine him in his pilot outfit, walking down an alley with two machine guns straight off his plane in his arms.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:22 No.18734019
    I can see it, both Servants and Masters making their stance. Quixote sees right through Berserker into THE GREEN KNIGHT, TESTER OF CHIVALRIC VIRTUE AND EXAMPLE TO EVERY KNIGHT ERRANT IN THIS OUR GOD'S LAND.

    The Masters bellow this must end fast, for Berserker's identity is compromised, and Quixote must strike first or perish under brute power.

    Berserker doesn't care, as he doesn't feel any ill intention or desire from Quixote, something tugging at his mind... it is the first time in this War someone regarded him with manners and... by God, is he recounting the tale about that little shit Gawain? Remarkable.

    Both Masters are eventually pulled over into the longest conversation ever.

    Only Quixote ever speaks.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 04/16/12(Mon)01:24 No.18734072
    >Personally I'm just wondering if the mages can act fast enough to keep Seattle from turning into a whirling hell-hole of Conquistadors, efreeti, Fianna, murders and thrown buildings

    They wouldnt even try in the first place. Their job is to research the Akashic Records, not to safeguard humanity. Its not like they havent just shrugged and left cities to die before.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)01:26 No.18734097
    > Its not like they havent just shrugged and left cities to die before.

    >That Fuyuki City fire

    I'm shocked the city wasn't damaged worse than one hotel and a shitload of small buildings.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:28 No.18734114
    What would be the cover story, though? This isn't some nowhere town, this is Seattle. People are going to notice if it's not there one day.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)01:30 No.18734141

    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)01:30 No.18734151
    And shit will most definetly get out of hand in this matchup. Though I do like the idea of him letting things happen to give his enemies something to deal with (like waking C'thulu up, just to make shit that much more hectic)
    We are currently VERY leader heavy, but that is my only real objection. I do want some type of modern representation if we are throwing the 200 year rule out the window. I'm just at a loss for how.
    >> Blackheart !!d+z47tvchVl 04/16/12(Mon)01:31 No.18734154
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    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)01:33 No.18734182
    >Goddamn Terrorists targeted the Space Needle.
    >Then what the fuck is it doing impaled in Everett?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:34 No.18734188
    I had an idea for a grail war were someone summons Xuanzang as a servant, and laments the fact that he has to run away from every fight because all his servant can do is pray and get kidnapped.

    Then, about halfway through the war, Wukong shows up looking for him.
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/16/12(Mon)01:34 No.18734198
    They DO have a concern about revealing the nature of magic to the world because BLAH BLAH IF ORDINARY HUMANS KNOW HOW WE DO OUR TRICKS THEY WON'T WORK ANYMORE.

    It's in the mage's Association's best interest to keep things slightly under wraps. You know, an unfortunate gas leak, a terrorist attack, etc.

    Yeah, the mage's Association are pretty stupid in addition to being pricks. It's one of those things you have to smile & nod with.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:36 No.18734216
    >We are currently VERY leader heavy, but that is my only real objection.

    That's why Quixote or Green must go in. They are rather lonely and with the right NPs no army or sorcery could stop them.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:36 No.18734219
    That would actually work. Seattle is due one hell of a motherfucking earthquake, as in around 1700 there was a 9.0 or so earthquake that caused a massive tsunami and caused islands to literally disappear. These earthquakes in this area tend to happen every 300-900 years, so it's not absurd to cover it up with the earthquake happened, Seattle got wiped off the map.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)01:38 No.18734232
    Swamp Gas. Freak Rainstorm (like Noah's Ark level rain, otherwise just another day in Seattle). North Korea. Bigfoot.v
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)01:40 No.18734244
    >El Cid and his Master sitting on top of the lip of the ruined Space Needle, sharing some mead.
    >"I wonder how they'll cover it up?" says the master, indicating the massive damage.
    >"Perhaps the earth shook, and the world swallowed the city whole."
    >"That sounds a lot better than 'Earthquake'."
    >"Is that what they call them now."
    >Both take a long drag.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:43 No.18734276
    I kind of want them to level the entire city without actually killing one another, just to see how they would react to leveling a city without killing one another.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:43 No.18734279
    They probably have one waiting the moment the Grail starts to form, as to not leave witnesses.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:43 No.18734284
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    Don Quito-ti is a good Lancer.

    But if we are including fictional characters and Lovecraft allows for more modern characters. How about Ahab.

    NP: Scourge of the Leviathan
    Ability: extra damage against monstrous creatures and servants with dragon or other bestial attributes.
    Class: Contact anti fortification.
    Special Attack: "With My Last" If Ahab is mortally wounded his attacks double in strength and speed.

    Or if for some reason you don't like Beowulf he could be Berserker.

    "White Whale! Holy Grail!"
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:45 No.18734301
    >Holy Grail War
    >Entire city is a cesspool
    >Having Sodom and Gommorah'd the place, there are still like four servants left
    >"...The mages are gonna be so pissed."
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)01:45 No.18734302
    If we want a different rider, Pecos Bill. Because fuck yeah.

    Yeah Pecos Bill! Only time he even cared about another person all that much was Slue-foot Sue, and when he had to put her down he never loved another woman the same. I reckon he likes Widowmaker and Shake fine, but a horse and a snake don't make a man a leader.
    >> Current selection of Servants - unoffocial/not word of EGO WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/16/12(Mon)01:58 No.18734416
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    Rider: El Cid (I have the statblock, this guy's set in stone.)
    Saber: ??Finn McCool/Siegfried??
    Lancer: ??Don Quixote/Finn McCool??
    Caster: ??Lovecraft/Rasputin/Solomon/Harun al-Rashid. ??
    Archer: Odysseus
    Assassin: ??Hassan-ibn-Hassan (The bog standard) / Jack the Ripper / Brutus??
    Berserker: ???Beowulf/ The Green Knight/Don Quixote ???
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:03 No.18734464
    You know, Grendel would make a good Assassin.

    Wait, hold on. Hear me out here; I remember when I first read Beowulf, it struck me how Grendel, the big bad monster, could go about his work apparently without being seen or heard. That how it struck me: they would wake up, head to the feast hall, and all they would find of those holed up in it the night before was blood and pieces.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)02:03 No.18734471
    Don Quixote
    Lancer Class

    STR: B
    END: C
    AGI: C
    MAG: B
    LUK: E


    Delusion (C) : Quixote's self-assurance of his greatness and nobility grants him a measure of power. The stats shown are when he is secure in what he is, if this charade is broken, they all fall a rank.

    Noble Phantasm: Giant Killer
    Rank: B

    Don Quixote's lance strikes without err while charging, always at a 'vital' point. Even if it is out of reach, or the enemy is protected, the lance still strikes. However, such strikes may or may not be fatal, or even damaging.

    Noble Phantasm: Dream the Impossible Dream
    Rank: EX

    If Don Quixote's illusion of granduer is broken, his depression and sadness spreads to other servants. They all lose three ranks in all skills and abilities until such a time that he regains his composure. Until that point, magic is stunted in the area (Defined by line of sight to him) and Noble Phantasms cannot be triggered.
    >> The Inquisitor With No Name 04/16/12(Mon)02:06 No.18734490
    Holy shit. Don Quixote as lancer. The Spaniard in me just came.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)02:07 No.18734503
    Rider: El Cid
    Saber: Finn McCool
    Lancer: Kinda leaning of passing this class for Billy the Kid
    Caster: Lovecraft for maximum trolling
    Archer: Odysseus
    Assassin: Going with Jack the Ripper
    Berserker: IDFK
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:11 No.18734559
    >Noble Phantasm: You're Gonna carry That Weight
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:13 No.18734580
    lovecraft could both cancel peoples everything AND start some crazy benny hill-style chases. maximum trolling ahoy!
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:18 No.18734649
    Seeing how Quixote has such an obvious tie to fantasy, how about Giant Killer knocking/stealing Mana? It becomes a battle of attrition to keep the old coot down.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)02:19 No.18734664
    Anyone have any input on the Masters all being channers?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:21 No.18734693
    I think it feels kind of masturbatory, personally.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)02:23 No.18734715
    Oh yes.

    Each strike is a strike. No matter how small, it's a chip in their reserves, and eventually, Quixote will start doing real damage.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:23 No.18734720
    Already posted my preferred list:

    Saber: Siegfried
    Lancer: Finn Mac Cool
    Rider: El Cid
    Archer: Odysseus
    Caster: Harun al-Rashid
    Berserker: Beowulf
    Assassin: Jack the Ripper

    Though I'm not opposed to the Green Knight for Berserker either.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:24 No.18734732
    You've already started stating them out, but I thought I'd throw in my picks for the hell of it:

    Rider: Chuck Yeager. No seriously, the guy is more than qualified.
    Saber: Perseus, because why not?
    Lancer: I agree that Don Quixote is a pretty good choice, even though his insanity (or was it senility?) could also qualify him for the most hilarious Berserker ever.
    Caster: Baba Yaga. If you don't agree with me, you probably don't know who she is.
    Archer: Robin Hood. A cop-out but c'mon
    , he's due for the role already.
    Assassin: Some John Doe. If you can actually recognize their name, they aren't a very good assassin.
    Berserker: Here's a bit of a twist. Since the heroes can be from the future, let's say that there was a fatal flaw in creating humanity's first combat-cyborg. Something went wrong interfacing his brain into the machinery, driving him mad and sending him on a killing spree that lasted for weeks before his own military could put him down. Actually......going back and reading all that, it comes off rather cliche (but it was either this or Macho Man Randy Savage).
    >> WeeabooPete !!KadDxk6fnqZ 04/16/12(Mon)02:25 No.18734736
    I feel bad about leaving out le Maupin for Saber, but i suppose we all do what we must.

    The old thread died, BTW. EGO, did you save the starts for those servants? I don't know if the other thread got archived,

    I like the idea of Green Knight as Berserker. Something about the class as a maddening, unthinkable wild thing resonates with me. The fact that he'd be bro as fuck wit Quixote is icing on the cake.

    Lovecraft's Wacky Mansion - the doors are all non-Euclidean and your magic doesn't count for shit!

    Ahab as Berserker.... interesting! While I adore the idea of Green Knight Berserker, Ahab does fit a little better thematically with the class.

    I'm off to bed, /tg/ Thanks for posting, EGO! This looks fucking sweet!
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:27 No.18734766
    >The Spaniard in me just came.
    Good, that probably means he's ready to pull out.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)02:27 No.18734771
    I have all my statblocks in a notepad.

    I don't think I can do Harun justice, though. Sad to say, Solomon's our Caster.

    This leaves Assassin, Saber, and Berserker as untaken. I'm contemplating Jack, Seigfried (Or Goetz) and Beowulf most for these.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:34 No.18734844

    How about Zorro for Saber?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:34 No.18734846
    For the Assassin I was thinking of some thing related to the John Doe idea.
    What if our assassin is the personification of "The Man".
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:36 No.18734871
    Are real people avalible? Because Bruce Lee needs to be involed in this.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:38 No.18734884
    >but it was either this or Macho Man Randy Savage

    >Macho Man attains the grail

    >Macho man wishes for infinite slim jims

    >Unending "snapping" ensues for the centuries to come
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)02:38 No.18734885
    I thought Finn was our Saber. And tons of people are behind Jack as assassin. That means we need a berserker. How about a mad scientist type, like Nikola Tesla? I mean fuck, death Rays, electricity EVERYWHERE, what's not to love?
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)02:38 No.18734887
    El Cid was probably a real person who actually existed.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:41 No.18734913
    That's a shame.

    One of these days, I'll get bored and put together an all-Eastern team.

    Let's see

    Saber: Yoshitsune no Minamimoto OR Susanowo OR Musashi Miyamoto
    Lancer: Benkei, OR Honda Tadakatsu
    Archer: Rama, maybe?
    Assassin: Fuck it, Hassan
    Rider: Lu Bu OR Guan Yu because Red Hare desperately needs to be a Noble Phantasm
    Caster: Harun al-Rashid OR Taigong Wang OR Nezha
    Berserker: Fuck, so many options.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:41 No.18734921

    What about Mike Tyson for a Berserker? Now before you laugh, keep in mind that he is a rapist who bit off someone's ear. His sanity is definitely in question. And his fighting skills aren't too shabby either.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:41 No.18734925
    I second Fionn for saber. But I thought Don Quixote was our berserker?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:42 No.18734931
    Then I nominate Bruce Lee for assassin. He essentially was one in enter the dragon.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:47 No.18734985
    We've more or less got a consensus on Finn McCool for Saber.

    He's Lancer.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:48 No.18734999
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    >Not Odin

    No sir, I am not okay with this.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)02:48 No.18735005
    Hmmmmm. I'm split. Jack is just so frightening and fits the role so well, and I like the serial killer for serial killer state thing. But I love me some Bruce Lee. Tell you what, make Jackie Chan his Master and you have a deal.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:48 No.18735008
    Gods can't fill the roles.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)02:52 No.18735035

    Saber: Yoshitsune no Minamimoto OR Musashi Miyamoto OR any of the Three Kings
    Caster: Kiyomori Taira OR Zhuge Liang OR Taigong Wang
    Lancer: Zhou Yun OR Guan Yu OR Zhang Fei OR Tadakatsu Honda
    Rider: Guan Yu OR Keiji Maeda OR Lu Bu
    Archer: Xiahou Yuan OR Ina Honda OR Nobunaga Oda [Fuck you, Nasu, I'm sneaking in MUSKETS]
    Assassin: Hanzo Hattori OR Zhou Tai
    Berserker: Lu Bu OR Wei Yan OR Xiahou Dun
    Trolling As Fuck: Masamune Date
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:17 No.18735210
    How about the 18 year old rapist Jackie Chan from Enter the Dragon?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:18 No.18735224
    Date Masamune would be the most trolltacular Saber ever.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)03:23 No.18735271
    Alas, I must head to bed. Keep an eye out for this OP image - We're not done yet. Almost there, but not quite. Stay with me bros, shit gonna get real.

    Even if nothing comes of this, I've had a lot of fun with all of you just talking about it.
    >> S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 04/16/12(Mon)03:26 No.18735292
    Send love letter to every master and servant while drunk.
    Don't remember a single thing next morning.
    >Nobunaga as Archer
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)03:27 No.18735301
    I don't really care, as long as the two of them roll around breaking every bone and piece of furniture in town.

    Oh god, imagine if anyone attacked Jackie in a furniture store.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:31 No.18735344
    >no Minamoto no Tametomo
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:41 No.18735416
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    Egil Skallagrimsson
    Berserker Class

    STR: A+
    END: A+
    AGI: A
    MAG: E
    LUK: E


    Even the Odds (A) : Egil’s stats all increase by one rank for every 5 enemies he faces. This number decreases to 2 if he is facing multiple Heroic Spirits.
    Vengeful Fury (C) : If Egil’s weapon or shield is ever broken, he casts them both aside and blindly charges his foe unarmed. His stats all increase by one rank. His weapon or shield will reform after 20 minutes.

    Noble Phantasm: Prisoner’s Hospitality
    Rank: C

    Egil Skallagrimsson targets a single enemy, and an unquenchable magic fire makes a circle around them. There is one exit, and Egil will cut down any foe who tries to pass it.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:43 No.18735441
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    >not having a Viking as Berserker
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)03:53 No.18735539
    While he's drunk. And holding a baby. And he dosn't want to start anything.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)04:10 No.18735689
    Can I take it that this is the Viking of Stanford Bridge?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)08:36 No.18737747
    But Koei Nobunaga hardly uses any firepower as far as i know
    Basara Nobunaga uses his own dual barred sawn off shotgun
    i also love how obviously evil Basara Nobunaga is
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)10:46 No.18738642
    Faust or Scheherazade for Caster
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)10:50 No.18738676
    Honestly I really like this idea of Lovecraft being a Berserker far more than leaving him as Caster, and it does bring out the horror and insignificance of human will far more than if he was in control which stays true to the form of his stories.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)10:50 No.18738677
    Lovecraft a unsung hero who's heroics and sacrifices have been reduced to mere Fiction. He Raged a one man war against madness itself with only his Wit. Through his Deeds he gained a unmatched knowledge of the occult and ancient which he further employed in his battle against the insanity the threatened to tear the world apart should it become free for just a moment.

    In the End he died sacrificeing himself. Takeing the madness of the world into himself, a burden only he could bear and died standing. Knowing that although he had beaten the evil for the meantime it would once again resurface

    his final wish were that the story's he had left would help prepare the those to come when the great evil would re-appear.
    Love the idea of his NP reducing everyone to normal humans. then maybe sending elements of his story's to manifest and attack those trapped
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)11:39 No.18738993
    Yeah, but this is Musou Grail War.

    Not Basara Grail War.

    If it was Basara Grail War, Saber would HAVE to be Masamune, and Lancer would DEFINITELY be Yukimura.

    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)12:33 No.18739423
    Cheops as Caster - THe Great Pyramid as his Workshop and Sphynx of the Ages as a summonable Noble Phantasm.

    Think about it!
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)12:44 No.18739505

    Considering this. Might actually use the Caster Lovecraft with a loss of LUK and MAG with the addition of having his NPs manifest randomly.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:08 No.18739722
    Both Berserker and Caster lovecraft seem to have great potential. You need a servant that will simply throw the rulebook out the window.

    Imagine, Being hunted and you hear his voice

    >At the bottom of the ocean even light must die...
    Summons mass amounts of water and walls deform.
    >The silent, sleeping, staring houses in the backwoods always dream... It would be merciful to tear them down...
    The Walls crumble and your now in his Reality Marble.
    >There is a little lamb lost in dark woods...
    All hell breaks loose, Creatures appear and
    >Welcome to Ry'Leh
    All hell breaks loose and servants are reduced to normal humans, Fighting/Fleeing during Lovecrafts insane ramblings and cackles
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:20 No.18739836
    Nope, completely different guy.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)13:21 No.18739848
    Berserker Class

    STR: C
    END: C
    AGI: C
    MAN: D
    LUK: D


    Mad Enhancement : At the cost of mental acuity, Lovecraft has been granted otherworldly strength and power.

    Noble Phantasm: Beast Within
    Rank: C

    Lovecraft's eternal foes, the Elder Ones, have planted a 'seed' within him. Whenever Lovecraft is in combat, he may randomly summon Beast-class Servants. These Servants draw mana and prana for their abilities from the Master.

    Noble Phantasm: The Forgotten City
    Rank: EX

    Lovecraft can bend the space of a large area, randomizing where doors and paths lead entirely. This ability manifests whenever Lovecraft is in danger, and its unpredictability may lead to a tactical disadvantage.

    Beast Class

    STR: A
    END: A
    AGI: E
    MAN: EX
    LUK: E


    The Shoggoth has no unique skills.

    The Shoggoth has no unique Noble Phantasms.

    The Shoggoth cannot be commanded with Command Spells.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:28 No.18739909
    >Finn McCool

    I raged. Surely whoever suggested that bloody well knows it should be Fionn mac Cumhaill? Jesus. At least you left Cú Chulainn out of it - though he'd make a bitching Berserker.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:29 No.18739924
    I Think when playing the game it would be a good idea to have a wide selection to roll from. This allows the Identity of the servant to remain a secret so that the NP/Class/name are not known to anyone other then the Masters.

    Or even better, Have the summoning catalyst very obscure so even the summoner doesn't know who they have unless they can pass a trust check.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:32 No.18739946
    >Randomly summoning shoggoths
    I like it, I like it a lot.

    Tesla for Caster.

    3 posts from autosage
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)13:35 No.18739975
    Oh yes. Definitely going to build up a few other sets of Servants.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:36 No.18739983
    Cú Chulainn is in the original Series but doesnt really get the chance to go all out due to his Master Being a complete Dick, I Awesome origional character but still a Dick.

    He is shown as canon to be a to have EX Swag, A love for terrible Haiwan Shirts, A fear of Hotdogs and a likable guy when hes not being cocky as Hell.
    He has a fucked up life in the series but doesnt give a dam compared to other servants i can mention.
    Just wants a good fight and a stiff drink and hes happy.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:38 No.18740001
    I Pitty the player who thinks hes got a boring weak servant. Then finds out its Lovecraft when the GM explains what actions he takes
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:41 No.18740028
    This is a good point, plus we will know who they are by the planning thread, and we aren't supposed to be able to know who they are very easily. Perhaps we could pick 3 per class, and have Ego pick one randomly?

    We have like 4 statted choices for caster already, a few sabers, and I'm sure more archers and riders would be easy.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:43 No.18740048
    We plan it all out, Test it by playing a few campaigns. Then we unleash it on the innocent masses who have no idea what servants we have
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:44 No.18740059
    We've got a couple Berserkers, too.
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)13:45 No.18740070
    That's true - likely Faust, Solomon, and Lovecraft will all be available for Caster.

    Likely, I'll build up a few 'sets' from which we can pick.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:48 No.18740093
    I think it best if we don't pick the servant, We pick the Catalyst that summons them.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)13:49 No.18740106
    Just going to give some possible candidates for Caster, for lulz:

    Nikola Tesla - lightning bolts of magic and science
    That dude who wrote Necronomicon
    Cassandra - seeing the future is a major boon in a war
    Imhotep - dunno, seems overused but mad priests make good caster candidates
    Can`t think of anyone else atm, but if we could use gods, I'd go with Hecate too.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)13:57 No.18740189
    Chuck Norris Assassin

    Str: B
    End: C
    Agi: C
    Mana: E
    Luck: E

    Manly Hair:
    It is a well known fact Chuck's power comes from his beard and chest hair. As long as he has both, no attack seems to have any effect. Should anything damage his hair, he becomes vulnerable, be it ripping out his chest hair or lighting him on fire.

    Man of War:
    Chuck is very well versed in many forms of marial arts and the use of many weapons. He can use anything he picks up like an expert as long as it's solo purpose was a weapon.

    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)14:00 No.18740217
    Have the GM select the Hero's But to make things easyier lets through the Stay/Zero/HA Lot in aswell so really pad out the roster and give the chance for some interesting interactions.

    We can host wars in different Locations for each Campaign. And take submissions for new hero's.

    Imagine Gilgamesh Stripped of powers in Lovecrafts NP. Now that would be interesting actually having him as the underdog in the war
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)14:14 No.18740329
    Another idea - gen. MacArthur
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)14:21 No.18740401
    A little too complex (managing Seven Servants is enough as-is) but a fun idea. Perhaps outside the perview of this quest, but perhaps another one

    OP, will we need to start a new thread? (What post count do we need to hit for autosage, anyhow?)
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)14:23 No.18740416
    Pretty sure we hit autosage already. I'll make a new thread.
    >> That McGuyver 04/16/12(Mon)14:29 No.18740486
    On tg bumplimit is 300 posts.>>18740401
    >> EGO !b0vpMZLBb6 04/16/12(Mon)14:31 No.18740517

    New thread, get in here.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)15:32 No.18741155
    I see none of you have so far mentioned Julius Ceasar. Have you mentioned Charlemange, any historical popes or Dalai Llamas, Atilla the Hun, Tamerlane, or Ghengis Khan?

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