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    29 KB ARMORED CORE QUEST: THE MAKING OF PART THE SECOND. AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)19:28 No.18743876  
    Hey guys, it's AC-Guy.

    Back by popular demand, we're doing another crunch development/behind the scenes peek at what makes AC-Quest work.

    Regular thread should b up at the normal time, in 3-4 hours, but I figured I'd take the opportunity to put up this thread as a bonus.

    Like last time, I'm going to go over some rules issues and clarifications while taking any questions you might have either about the rules or the characters.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)19:40 No.18744044
    One thing people have been asking about is hit location.

    The short version is this: Whoever rolls it (it varies) low is good FOR THEM. So a low roll by the guy dodging it means it's going to hit something like a secondary weapons system, where as a high roll could mean a head-shot, a reactor breach, and/or pilot kill.

    The opposite holds true for the attacker.

    Then there's things like HOW GOOD of a hit it is: If they barely make it, then they might hit them in the arm. But if they've gotten multiple degrees of success? The odds of them hitting something more vital goes up.

    >Also, sorry this is slow, I'm working in the bonus thread around other shit I'm doing.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)19:55 No.18744210
    >Huh, might be a bit early for my usual players.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:07 No.18744378
    I'm here.
    I don't think anyone expects you this early.
    So how about that primal armor?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:13 No.18744460
    Yeah I was wondering, if we make a called shot to the cockpit or head and the enemy has a decent synch score is that an auto kill and if so can we just do that every combat?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:14 No.18744478

    You mean the fluff or the crunch?

    Current Crunch gives it a rating and a health-bar.

    The health bar slowly regens over time, but knocking it down means that you can deal direct damage to whatever it is you're shooting it.

    The rating is sort of possible bypass: For instance, if it has a rating of 3, that means it could take three effect dice.

    So if you get a total of 4d8 damage, the first three would be against the shield, and the last one would hit the target directly.

    So lets say that same shield had a health-bar of say.... 15.

    If the first three dice were 6,5,7, and the last one was an 8, then the target would take 11 damage and have his shield knocked out.

    If the first three were all ones, then the shield would still be up, but that eight would still hit him, since that's the bit that 'punched through'.

    Or at least that's my current plan, I'll adjust it after you actually run into some.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:16 No.18744497

    There can be negative repercussions tied to someone's synch score.

    In that case, they would be making a save against feedback, which would be harder to make the closer you are to a 100% synch rate.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:22 No.18744594
    ok how does combat out of an AC work?
    Or is it just d20 and d100 rolls?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:24 No.18744626
    I think he already said that Synch is replaced with something else, but I would assume that everything else is the same, since both forms of combat are for humanoids.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:25 No.18744644

    Combat rules are pretty much exactly the same as in a mech, difference is scale.

    There's no real point in making conversion rules, since human weapons would do fuck all to the machines, and the shockwave from a mech's gun going off would liquify the organs of somebody unprotected too close.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:27 No.18744677

    Synch score is replaced by determination.

    Most of the rest is the same, with some obvious exceptions: Guns are much better for people, since they can't do the same high speed maneuvers and have less armor on the whole.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:29 No.18744708
    Ah ok I was just asking because in the second to last
    update, the one with the bomb, we hit a guy with a wrench but only rolled for that. so what I wanted to know was more along the lines of "if" we would do AC style damage or just the roll on future updates.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:32 No.18744732

    You also rolled for a exploding crit, got it, and delt an addition 11 damage.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:36 No.18744797
    oh okay must have overlooked that.
    okay then another question, can we learn or become skilled with a weapon?
    Or is it just ranged and melee skill?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:38 No.18744821

    You can get specific bonuses to certain things: for instance, Elsie has a lower threshold and a bonus to sniping.

    But it still ties into her ballistics skill.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:47 No.18744944
    I'm watching this (and probably your quest now too) to pick up some ideas for mechanics in my own future ideas. Great job!
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)20:50 No.18744989
    Okay another question, with your current system, is there a strict "level up" for our stats and skills or is it more along the lines of "after several times using your saber in scenes you now swing accurately"?
    Also, for synch ratio, does that rise and fall based on our characters mindset and current physical condition?
    Or is it just from piloting and sims?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)20:57 No.18745078

    For leveling up.... I'm really thinking that's going to look like Shadowrun's point-buy system by the time I finish making it.

    In fact, I'll make a post about that in a minute, so I can explain what the hell I'm talking about.

    Synch ratio (and it's sister stat: Determination) can be affected by a lot of things.

    For instance, if you're really freaked out or in pain, it's not going to be as high. But if it's something do or die, then it will get a small bump.

    These modifiers will rarely be more than 20% your normal synch stat though (so if you clock in at around 50, circumstance might put your between 40 and 60, in the most extreme circumstances).
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)21:06 No.18745188
    Right, since somebody asked about leveling up, I'm going to explain how character creation works, in the rules I'm vaguely picturing in my minds eye.

    Basically, you get a number of points, and buy certain features, aspects, skills, and feats for your character, with a separate pool for your core.

    Much like Shadowrun.

    Parts can only be bought from your current rating and lower during creation. ratings would be kinda like Dark Heresy's 'level' system, where's it's not 'having this much XP makes you level up' but 'having these many powers and abilities means you're now classified as THIS.'

    In addition to that, certain specializations can be bought to boost certain things.

    This is still pretty vague in my mind, but I think you can see where I'm going with it.

    Characters are upgraded VIA XP 99% of the time, and 99% of the time, Cores are upgraded with PARTS bought with MORE MONEY.

    You can do safe jobs to earn dosh, and run sims to boost skills, but it's very much a risk=reward. On the other hand, it lets you test out a potential Core build in a risk-free environment, WHILE EARNING YOU EXPERIENCE. Allowing all the time in the garage to be worth something more that a shiny new paint-job.

    Questions? Comments?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)21:09 No.18745234

    Also, while Synch and Determination share the same general role, they are not the same stat, and have exactly zero overlap.

    They can also have vastly different values: One guy could in fact deliberately have a horrible synch stat and high determination to work better in a support role as an operator running Over-Watch, or as a mechanic helping customize and fine-tune.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)21:25 No.18745486
    what about the 1% on xp and parts?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)21:30 No.18745556
    Can we grab an enemy AC's arm or head and rip it off, then after the fight use it ourselves?
    Early on in the quest we got a flail, but i mean more save the part by taking it out of there use, than salvage it after we destroy them.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)21:43 No.18745770

    Salvage in the general sense is quite possible. It's generally better to leave them as intact as possible to to that though, and go for a mobility kill, either by taking the pilot, or the AI offline.


    Swap them. Cybernetic enhancements for people, and the possible evolution of sentience in the AI core.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:01 No.18746045
    Nobody's got anything else to throw at me?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)22:04 No.18746095
    can our people produce or modify our AC in the style of those unit things you get in hard mode in Armored core 4 for answer?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:05 No.18746111

    I'm not sure. I haven't got to play For Answer in a long time.

    I need to get another copy of that game.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)22:08 No.18746157
    Question about the setting, is it common for people to try to replicate the symbols of ranked pilots to freak out their opponents?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:17 No.18746265

    Generally speaking, it's a bad idea to use someone else's symbol. Or even look too similar.

    There isn't any rules against it, but if somebody put, say, Nine-Ball's logo on their rig? They can fully expect him to kick in the door of their house and brutally murder them in the night.

    It's at best frowned upon, and at worst painting a target on your back.

    It is however permissible to take someone else's sign after taking them down in combat, though you have to put your 'colors' on the table first.

    Losing a fight like that basically means that if you survive it, you don't get another logo until you re-rank as an ace.

    Which, by the way is five-confirmed kills (mobility, total destruction, technical, whatever) on other cores your rank or higher. So if you're an S class, you can wreck C's all day and never earn your stripes.

    Those are counted at the time of the kill by the way, so you could in theory rank up or down and get more kills that all count.

    Also, TECHNICALLY, none of your team's pilots are Aces, although Dave is one kill away at this point.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)22:19 No.18746298
    Mind posting the kill stats for our team then?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:25 No.18746398

    Currently Alex has two kills, and Laurie has three, fighting Bandits prior to the Campaign's start.

    Elsie has one actual, and one technical.

    Mooch you have no idea about, since you didn't even know he was an A rank until recently.

    Dave has four, all since the quest started. He's very good at what he does, but he doesn't often to mix it up like he likes.

    Ari's never been in a core before, but I'm including her for the sake of completeness.

    Other people you know: Josh has something like 40 confirmed kills against his rank, unknown number of people lower than him.

    Nine-Ball they stopped counting when he hit 200. Which is all the more impressive, because prior to starting his win-streak about six months ago he wasn't even a ranked Ace.
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)22:30 No.18746478
    Stupid Nine-Ball going off and finally getting out of beta...
    What do we know about the corperations? I mean where are they most active and what does the Ravens Nest think of each of them?
    >> Anonymous 04/16/12(Mon)22:38 No.18746586
    What Weapon choices does our AC have and what are there damage values, on and off our AC?
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:39 No.18746599

    Depends on which corporation you're talking about.

    G.A. has two main branches, one centered in Detroit, the other in Germany. There's Rayleonard in Canada, and Omer over in Western Asia.

    Some corporations, like Rosenthal, have no real 'Central Base' and are just networked together more efficiently.

    Though most corporations have at least a MINOR presence in the MAJOR population centers. The closest one to where you are, not counting Vegas, is Seattle.

    L.A. was fucking annihilated, and nobody wanted to put down the time and resources to rebuild it, due to the state of the rest of the world.

    As far as the Raven's Nest, they're neutral to pretty much everybody who isn't trying to set up a competing firm or trying to fuck with the organization itself.

    As long as they pay what's promised, they're cool with them as far as politics go. Personal opinions for individual members vary.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/16/12(Mon)22:39 No.18746606
    How long ago was the calamity, again? I guess I wasn't paying attention when that was mentioned.
    >> AC-Guy 04/16/12(Mon)22:44 No.18746695

    Roughly a decade. It's hard to set in stone, since it wasn't ONE thing, it was hundreds of little things ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE at the same time, for several months.

    Some more cynical people think that the only way for it to be fucked up that bad, that quickly, that long, and that THOROUGHLY, is if some malevolent entity was plotting it.

    That's actually how the Black Rocks got started: Extremist Christian offshoot who thinks that god tried to end the world, but there were too many wicked folks still walking around for it to take, so they want to destroy everything, and convert as many people as possible in their quest to try and get god to forgive them for not believing hard enough.
    >> ClericMan 04/16/12(Mon)23:57 No.18747633
    Doing jobs for the company's can earn us discounts and assess to parts that wouldn't normally be available right?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)00:01 No.18747691

    Sure, in theory. They might be impressed, but you might also piss somebody off if you start playing polotics like that.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)00:02 No.18747708
    fair enough, i was just double checking was all
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)00:03 No.18747723
    o, are we gonna start soon?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)00:04 No.18747734
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)04:48 No.18750683
    bump for cool extra content
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)04:55 No.18750722
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    welp odds are i wont keep this alive to see the cool stuff, sorry AC-Guy
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)05:14 No.18750825
    AC-Guy keeps mentioning that we've missed some clues. Any idea of what it is we should be looking for?
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:17 No.18750842
    man i have no clue
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:27 No.18750891

    I know some.

    But my lips are SEALED.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:29 No.18750903
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    One more bump
    >> Shagga Son Of Dolf 04/17/12(Tue)05:29 No.18750904
    If the Half-man does not tell Shagga, Shagga will cut off his manhood and feed it to the goats.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:31 No.18750919
    Dam you and your real life connections!
    I mean i've lost like a one and a half weeknights on this that i should have been prepping for final exams >_<
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)05:33 No.18750924
    Which you know some clues or you know the plot hooks?
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:33 No.18750929
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    -presses button-
    10,532,323,532 guns point at him.

    The hard part was making the second button shoot all of them.
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:34 No.18750937

    Both, kinda, maybe.

    Honestly Its all subject to change though.
    Ac Guy trys to keep me in the loop when it comes to Mooch and my other characters in the thread.

    I cant really spill the beans.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:36 No.18750947
    god damn, theres more than one of you running around in this quest >_<
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:38 No.18750960
    Well specificly Mooch and his wife.

    If she ever does make an appearance.
    If Ac guy put any of MY other characters in here.
    He hasnt told me.
    Sense 100% of them are less bullshit then Mooch.
    He would tell me if he did.

    Honestly Im surprised he did put Mooch in the thread, because hes filled with so much batshit crazy.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:42 No.18750975
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    alright, this I can except, but my fists, if there's a plant full of Mooch clones somewhere.......
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:44 No.18750984
    See, he comes from a book of mine.

    I can tell you some seriously awesome/ Fucked up, stories.

    I'd do it to keep this thread somewhat Alive.
    >> Mooch !!3IQ4IZVsitx 04/17/12(Tue)05:45 No.18750991
    Cannonicly you cant clone mooch.

    Theres too much crazy.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:46 No.18750992
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    that would be mighty appreciated,
    So while i have you here on a scale 1 to Mooch how dun fucked are we?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)05:50 No.18751001
    More stories are never bad and it'd keep the thread alive.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)05:58 No.18751043
    now this book....... did you write it? if so was it published and where can i order a copy?
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)06:22 No.18751140
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    Oh foul and fickle gods of /tg/ First you stole our beloved AC-Guy and now you have taken the madman Mooch from us as well. Why, WHy, WHY! WHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! Have you not had your fill yet? How many good rolls must be sacrificed to feed you insatiable thirst for our beloved AC-Quest? Through what Hells must I Jozan ClericMan be plunged deep with to save our quest and all that we hold dear!
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)07:40 No.18751511
    What would be the advantages and or disadvantages of there being an AI co-pilot?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)07:42 No.18751520
    How big is a mech in AC?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)07:45 No.18751548
    In the latest installment 5m, but in the previous installments somewhere about 10 meters right? Or was that only in 4/fA?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)07:48 No.18751556
    Gotta be bigger than that--some mediums take up a three lane highway.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)07:49 No.18751570
    Latest instalment shrunk them so about 10m tall sounds right.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:02 No.18751637
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    Aha, I have returned with pictures!
    This is the scale, roughly.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)08:08 No.18751680
    Suddenly Strayed is even more badass.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)10:02 No.18752289
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)12:59 No.18753611
    keeping this alive because AC-guy promised us something awesome.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)13:18 No.18753768
    huh this thread survived the night, still no AC-Guy though
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:00 No.18754084
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    bumping for the inevitable return of ac guy
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:19 No.18754205
    Since the quest thread didn't get archived, the foolz link is here:
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:21 No.18754218
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:22 No.18754231
    Oops. Guess I forgot to refresh.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)14:25 No.18754257
    I see what happened. It got archived with the tag "Armored Core Quest" instead of the usual "AC Quest".
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)15:12 No.18754759
    It was a bear at his door last night. He has been called away to brought to justice for his bear wrestling crimes.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:38 No.18755076
    So are we going to band together and free AC-Guy from bear prison? Cause that would be pretty cool.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:41 No.18755119
    So, hey, heard about this from Zoids quest. Quick skim of the first few posts shows a lack of links to the archive of your quest. Any chance a kind anon could help an interested newbie out?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)15:42 No.18755133
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)15:45 No.18755175
    Just be aware that #14 got archived with the "Armored Core Quest" tag, rather than "AC Quest." In fact, the only tag it shares with the other archived threads, is "Collective Game."
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)15:55 No.18755307

    What? I hit the archive button before going to deal with shit.

    Specifically so that WOULDN'T happen.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)15:59 No.18755370
    I dunno, man, it still did. Try getting in touch with the sup/tg/ admin, and get them to fix the tags?
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)16:10 No.18755530
    OMG he LIVES!!!!!!
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)16:12 No.18755557

    I'll have to see about that.


    I just woke up a couple hours ago man.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)16:12 No.18755559
    Guess I was wrong about those bears.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)16:17 No.18755632
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    so i dont need to drive south to spring him from Bear jail.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)16:20 No.18755658
    Alright, since I promised you guys something cool to make up for leaving early....

    Which do you want?

    Rules for Arms Forts?

    Or a peek at some new types of ACs (The New Type[An advanced version of what you fly now], the Type NEXT, or the Heavy Arms Type[Something new I created, that I don't recall existing in the games])
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)16:23 No.18755690
    new Ac's all the way man
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:26 No.18755715
    New ACs
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)16:31 No.18755782
    I don't actually know what an Arms Fort is, so, ACs.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)16:36 No.18755847
    This fucking quest makes me want to run out and buy Armored Core 4/FA

    I'm in the middle of a Dark Souls playthrough, goddammit, and I'm considering running through DMC3 as well!

    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)16:42 No.18755912

    An arms fort is like a battleship designed for high-speed mech combat.

    They're built around attacking things like cities and giant groups of normal ACs.

    This post >>18751637 has a picture that shows the scale.

    That Tiny biped between his legs is a Core not quite twice the size of the one you pilot.


    Alright, New ACs win. Gimme a sec.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)16:44 No.18755931

    Do ittttt.

    I really need to get myself a couple more copies of them myself. Since when I played 4, it was my friend's copy, and my copy of 4A was lost when same friend's car got stolen while he was in the gas-station on the way to return it.
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)16:47 No.18755972
    Dude that's terrible
    Drop what ever your playing and go get a copy
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:04 No.18756200
    The New Type AC is a refinement on current tech. New improvements allow for things like lighter, yet denser armor plating, slightly higher mobility ratings, and the ability to produce a type of reactive energy field as an extra defense, currently called 'primal armor'. These New ACs are expected to become the standard in a few years, and are fully backwards compatible with the current parts line up, to ease the financial pain of the transition. The one major downside is that only about 20% of the current field of pilots will be able to operate these new cores, due to the higher mental stress of running one. Due to this, it's expected that the 'Old Type' cores will never completely cease production.

    Type NEXTs are what they say on the tin: The corporations trying to figure out what the next big things for cores will be, and building prototypes to prove it. Due to the highly experimental nature of the endeavor, not only are they very expensive to produce and repair, but they're hard to pilot and can't really be customized since the Corps are still fighting over what the standard parts guidelines will be. They can however, do crazy shit like weaponize their primal armor, transform into planes for high-speed deployment/retreat and engage a stealth mode, to name a few. Even harder and more dangerous to pilot than the New Types.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:08 No.18756258
    >The one major downside is that only about 20% of the current field of pilots will be able to operate these new cores, due to the higher mental stress of running one. Due to this, it's expected that the 'Old Type' cores will never completely cease production.

    Are any companies working on mental augmentation?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:09 No.18756276

    Finally the Heavy Arms Type is the idea that building the Core BIGGER would let them put more armor and bigger guns on it.

    Not really any more difficult to produce or pilot that the current generation, but they do have one major thing in their favor that hasn't yet been adapted to New Types and NEXTs: Over Weapons. The ability to pack a specialized gun capable of leveling buildings. These Over Weapons are somewhere between 10 and 50 times more powerful than conventional arms.

    Other than their 'scaled up' size, there's not a whole hell of a lot of difference between them and a normal Core. Agility and such is similar to the standard due to the bigger frame being able to carry a bigger engine and a bigger boosters.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:10 No.18756292
    And before you ask: The core Ari built is technically a Heavy Arms Type.


    Yes, and so far all experiments on brain tissue have led to a DECREASE is piloting potential.

    So far, nobody has a single clue as to why.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:14 No.18756338
    How about eugenics? Pilot breeding programs?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:17 No.18756383

    Somebody's probably working on that.

    But the whole Core technology, much less weaponizing it, is less than a decade old.

    They haven't had TIME to breed a better pilot, especially since they don't really KNOW what genetic markers make somebody better, just that 90% of the time if somebody rates high as a pilot, their siblings will too.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:18 No.18756404
    So, no Mars colonies in this universe?
    >> ClericMan 04/17/12(Tue)17:19 No.18756413
    sounds like we are in for a good time in the future
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:55 No.18756921

    Not yet. Global infrastructure is too fucked at the moment to consider space-travel, but it's on this list of long term goals.

    Realistically? AT LEAST 20 years out before people will have their shit together enough to consider it.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)17:57 No.18756940
    What's the heaviest Over Weapon available?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)17:59 No.18756967

    Currently you only know of one in existence, since it's not a wide-spread thing.

    And yes, it's the giant Laser canon Ari stole from that other guy.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)18:01 No.18756996

    I should clarify: A lot of this stuff, including the arms forts, are something that isn't happening YET but SOON. You have not even the slightest fucking clue IC, and I'm not sure how much I want to reveal.

    I really only told you guys this much to make up for having to end the last thread about two hours earlier than I intended.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)18:06 No.18757058
    Also, on a note totally unrelated to anything, what happened to the guys spamming Evangelon pictures?

    I know the one guy at least said he'd stop, but I really don't mind it.

    In fact, it's kinda cool having people with trips and stuff, not because I love tripfags, but it's nice knowing you've got a returning audience.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)18:12 No.18757140
    DAM, our sister is the heavy weapons expert. She brings the Dakka.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)18:27 No.18757295
    So, anybody else have anything they want to ask about?
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)21:09 No.18759421
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    I was there. I tend not to start the avatarfagging 'til Tarot shows up because then we can bounce them off of each other.
    You had to cut short last night so the thread was over before Tarot hopped on (He's at GMT, so the thread starts in the middle of the night for him).
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)21:10 No.18759430
    By the way, did I read that right?
    Weaponizing Primal Armor?
    What kind of things can they do with it exactly?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)21:28 No.18759716

    Yes, you read that right.

    And no, I'm not explaining that one yet. It's going to be crazy and awesome though.
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)21:33 No.18759796
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    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)21:44 No.18759979

    The implications of the last line worry me more than any of Eva's trippy shit.
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)21:51 No.18760054
    Yeah, a lot of other Asukafags are creepy motherfuckers.
    Guys, she's THIRTEEN YEARS OLD!
    Her birthday is canonically December 4th, 2001, Shinji's is June 6th, 2001. Shinji is fourteen and the series starts in late summer and EoE is some time in late December I don't remember the specific date, so she's probably JUST turned fourteen when Third Impact occurs.
    I just like her as a character, and I think she's the best match for Shinji in the series (Fuck off and die Mana Kirishima you slut!).
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)21:58 No.18760142

    I didn't much care for her when I watched Eva mostly because she was the most obvious extension of what the entire cast's main issue was: if she got over herself for like FIVE FUCKING SECONDS AND TALKED TO SOMEBODY a hilariously overwhelming majority of bad shit would have been avoided.

    Seriously, you could apply that statement to the entire fucking cast. I didn't realize it for anybody but her though, at the time.

    Between Gendo going off the deep end, Shinji's abandonment issues, Rei's discomfort with other people, Asuka being Asuka....

    Did NERV have even a single motherfucking therapist on staff? I think that they could have just paid a random dude to walk around giving hugs and would have fixed half the problems.

    You know what I want to see in a fix fic for Eva? Mr Rogers just swinging by to visit for a couple of days.
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)22:06 No.18760258
    Nope, no therapist.
    My guess? They NEED the Children to be so broken, so fucked up, that it's easy for them to just subconsciously reach out for anyone, anything, that will make a connection without hurting them. So when they get in the plug they connect with the soul in the Eva (their mother for Units 01 and 02, I have NO FUCKING CLUE where the soul in Unit-00 came from or if it even has one at all considering that Kaworu is similar to Rei and can control Unit-02 without syncing with the soul in it) naturally. So when Asuka starts trying to isolate herself from everyone and everything so she can't get hurt again, her sync score PLUMMETS and it just gets worse. If she'd just LISTENED to Ayanami when she said to open herself up to Eva, she could have saved her sync, but she was too damn STUBBORN to accept advice from "Wondergirl".
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:14 No.18760368

    It all comes back to 'get over herself'. Which, admittedly was a pretty talk fucking order in and of itself, due to the various ISSUES she had/has.

    I think that's one of the things about Eva though: it's all tragic, but they're all preventable tragedies. In a way, that's the most tragic thing about the series: nobody GAVE that one fucking hug that would have fixed everything.

    Actually, probably the second most tragic: The mind rape thing was pretty brutal.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:15 No.18760391

    Also, the pilot thing is no excuse to not give anybody else therapy.

    And EVERYBODY with a name in that show needed some form of professional help.
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)22:20 No.18760455
    Of course, I can't bring myself to hate ANYONE in the series except Kaworu (and that's more personal backlash against the absurd amount of love he gets from most people), and the members of SEELE.
    Not even Gendo. What's his motivation? He wants his wife back. He wants the ONLY person to ever tell him he had value, the ONLY person to ever tell him they loved him, BACK. And he's willing to burn the world to do it. It's really the classic "I don't care what I have to do, I WILL see you again my love." motivation, a traditionally HEROIC motivation, taken too far. Taken to the level where he is LITERALLY damning the whole world for a chance to get her back. He's a pathetic character, in the classical meaning of "pathetic".
    And does that "I don't care I'm getting someone I care about BACK!" thing seem familiar at all? It should if you've seen Rebuild 2.22:
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:20 No.18760464
    So uh, getting back to the REAL topic...

    Any questions about the crunch or the characters?
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/17/12(Tue)22:22 No.18760481
    I always figured that was the overarching tragedy of Eva: That the ultimate defense of the world fell to those least emotionally capable of handling it.

    In action, however, the reasons is twofold: that the point of the show was to watch people crack under the pressure (so you might as well give them some good issues to use), and that Anno was clinically depressed while writing it.

    Seriously. Shinji complained a lot, and forever was known as the biggest wuss in anime for it. and yet pretty much all of his complaints are not only valid, its a wonder more mech pilots don't have the same problems.

    "This is what happens when you take an untrained kid and throw him into the most stressful job on the planet."
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:24 No.18760523

    I kinda agree with that. I just.... Sometimes I actually wanted to grab him and say 'GIVE HER A HUG'.

    Not even in regards to a specific female character, just in general.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/17/12(Tue)22:25 No.18760534

    Sorry, but this looks like a good enough place to start. I picked up some mechanical context on the way down this page, but what are the core mechanics of this game? Simple conflict resolution, major stats, etc.

    If this is already laid out somewhere else for my perusal, I would be more than happy with a link. If it is not kept somewhere else, have you considered a 1d4chan page? Or maybe a googledoc? Those would let you store information in an editable form where others could see it, and potentially save you time explaining yourself in future threads.
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)22:26 No.18760554
    I have a screencap from /m/ that addresses that wonderfully.
    And yeah, it's no excuse, but NERV does answer to a council of fucking supervillains, so why would they care about their people's mental health?
    Anyway, back on topic...
    >> Asuakfag 04/17/12(Tue)22:27 No.18760561
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    captcha ate the pic
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:28 No.18760573

    I like the threads because they allow for feedback with the people playing.

    As for more.... http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags=AC%20Quest

    This is a link to the entire quest Archives. Dedicated crunch threads are labeled such, but some random shit comes up in the other threads as well.

    Not enough to be worth going over them for that reason alone, but in case you were interested in the other material.
    >> Black Mesa Janitor 04/17/12(Tue)22:35 No.18760683

    Noted. This will take a while...
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)22:38 No.18760726

    Take your time. Though if all you're reading is the crunch thread, you can skim the important bits in like ten minutes and I can fill in the gaps with a quick Q&A.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)22:58 No.18760980
    Hey what would be the pors and/or cons of there being an AI seeded into our Core?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:10 No.18761109

    Technically, all cores have an A.I. system. I'm guessing you're referring to actual sentience?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:14 No.18761157
    Yes, I'm wondering whats going to happen now that Mooch and possibly the rest of our Cores have sentient AI.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:19 No.18761224

    Well the short answer is that there aren't many. the longer answer is that the AI core is designed to slave it's functions to yours, and if it's sentient then it will doubtless realize that it would be in it's best interests to support you as a pilot, even if it doesn't like some of the things you do personally.

    This means that mechanically, a sentient core might give you a minor buff/debuff to your synch rate. Occasionally doing things to help out, like when Mooch's core locked him at 50% because the feedback pain was getting to be too much for him.

    As far as the fluff goes.... if I feel evil your core might start asking things like "Daddy, am I pretty?"
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:23 No.18761288
    Welp, could be worse. Now I just get the feeling we're gonna have to be extra careful with our mechanics and maintance staff.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:24 No.18761297
    So we could wind up piloting a humanoid Tachikoma/Fuchikoma? I am... more OK with that than I probably should be.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:25 No.18761305
    We'd probably say that she is very pretty and try to give her a hug. Tell her that she's making daddy very proud. We'd go out shopping together and get her new guns and accessories.

    Who wouldn't want to be the father of an armored machine of death?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:25 No.18761309


    I literally have no idea what you just said.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:26 No.18761326
    Spider tanks from ghost in the shell, they develop sentience later in the show.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:27 No.18761329
    Have you seen ghost in the shell? They have some tanks with sentient AI that are like mascot characters only with lethal weaponry.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:27 No.18761338

    'M-my exhaust flaps are moving on their own!'


    The kind who doesn't want to have to chase off the potential suitors.

    Imagine the implications.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:28 No.18761339
    I just wouldn't want to have to be the one to give her the talk about how that cute mechanic does such wonderful things to her.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:28 No.18761344
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    Ghost in the Shell.
    The Fuchikomas (in the manga) and Tachikomas (in Standalone Complex)(neither appear in either of the films) are adorable miniature thinktanks with spider-like bodies used by section nine. Their AIs have the personalities of children, and they are fucking adorable.
    pic related is a Tachikoma.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:28 No.18761346

    Right, right, those fuckers.

    Yeah, I know what you mean, I just totally fucking forgot they were called that.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:29 No.18761355
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    And THIS is a Fuchikoma, which have SLIGHTLY less adorable (but still really fucking adorable) personalities.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:30 No.18761368
    We're experienced in the field of potential suitors and sisters. We kept Dave and Laurie scared, scaring a robotic AI ought to be cake compared to that.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:30 No.18761370
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    Hahaha, that's small time. Here's a real tank.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:31 No.18761384

    "Hey Alex?"


    "Uh, I have no idea how to say this... but remember when you asked me to flush the system, put new coolant fluids in?"


    "Well, uh, you AI sounded like she liked it. A little TOO much, if you catch my drift."
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:31 No.18761386
    Yes but we dont' have to get inside either of them daily.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:32 No.18761393
    But it got it's ass kicked by Section 9.
    Your argument is invalid.
    Also IT isn't adorable.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)23:33 No.18761408
    And after all, isn't adorableness what really counts in sentient tanks?
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:34 No.18761419
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    Section 9 cheated. Also it just wanted to say hello :(
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:35 No.18761428
    It wasn't really trying to fight Section 9, or anyone, for that matter. It just wanted to go home.

    It's only not adorable because it doesn't talk in a high-pitched voice in a cutesy manner.
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:35 No.18761432

    And now all I can picture in my mind are the fucking Reego, talking about play time.

    Thanks for that guys.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:36 No.18761444
    There's no such thing as cheating in a fight.
    You can have hax (AT fields, Spiral Energy, Getter Rays, that kinda stuff), but it's still not cheating, it's just hax.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/17/12(Tue)23:36 No.18761448
    I don't even know what that is. I'd google it, but, eh. I'm lazy.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:37 No.18761464
    How much more power would it take to run these AI programs? Also could they take over fighting if we were incap. ?
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:38 No.18761468
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    "Hey! What's ocular virginity anyways?"
    "A gentleman NEVER tells."
    "We're in a telepathic chatroom dipshit, we KNOW what she did... Is she single?"
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:38 No.18761482

    Go read Nobody Dies. It's an Evangelon thing, and it's equal parts bizarre and awesome.

    It all stemmed from 'what if Shinji's mom DIDN'T kill herself in the contact experiment'.

    Over a hundred chapters, and well worth the read.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:40 No.18761506
    Just... be prepared to cry for this version of Asuka.
    She is actually WORSE in the mental damage department than canon Asuka, at least initially.
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:43 No.18761539
    I have to admit it became too much for me after a while, but up until I gave up, it was solid hilarity.
    >> Asukafag 04/17/12(Tue)23:47 No.18761600
    I would sell one of my kidneys and a significant portion of my liver to be in a game of Exalted run by ND!Gendo.
    Anyway, back on topic...
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:51 No.18761652
    >> Anonymous 04/17/12(Tue)23:52 No.18761663
    Really when?
    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:53 No.18761679


    >> AC-Guy 04/17/12(Tue)23:57 No.18761741
    Keep the crunch thread alive guys, I'll take any questions you guys have here, even if the quest is live.
    >> Anonymous !3I4SJbCh8M 04/18/12(Wed)00:02 No.18761848
    >Keep it alive....
    I shall take this burden on with pride. Anyone wonder why I say Richard Branson is connected with Rayleonard? Because here's a thing I did a while back.

    Richard Branson makes Virgin Galactic. Sending the common man into space for a holiday by buying the abandoned space race and using a series of Virgin-owned Soyuz craft.
    Thus cornering THAT market and making it not a race anymore because no-one else is doing it anymore and even if I'm wrong, no other publicly-available group for sure. SO. Eventually, the other air-travel corps start getting left behind even more thanks to Virgin Enterprises.
    So one, clandestinely, hires a group of untraceable "towel-head" "terrorists" to sabotage a Soyuz and cause massive catastrophe. Thereby ruining Branson... or so they think.

    Branson chuckles and begins air-dropping real-estate and pulls all of his funding from the air-transport industry other than to drop houses everywhere and bring people into SPAAACE!
    >> Anonymous !3I4SJbCh8M 04/18/12(Wed)00:04 No.18761863
    Secretly, using the electronic entertainment industry and required tech to run Soyuz (IMA GUESS Plasma drive-tech similar to Flying Triangles), to fuel a new branch of energy generator and weapons-tech. He makes TWO new groups, one focussed on outright weapons-tech and the engineering side, while the other side focusses mainly on the innovative technology and retro-designing neuclear and plasma technology as we know it into something applicable.

    Though he doesn't let it be known just who is really funding these new corporations.
    Continued attacks (economic, publicity, credibility, and sock-puppet violence) at the hands of rival corporations make Virgin galactic a thing of the past. To Richard Branson's chagrin. He gets determined and publically dissolves his empire. He came from being a hobo, he can easily live on the last few year's profits for LIFE.

    ... or so everyone thinks.
    Seeing as it wasn't (seemingly) run by an-ex hobo and average Joe, the other main Corps see these two new companies developing powerful new generators (and using their proven techniques to power much of the world in cheap and renewable sources) as well as weapons tech (bipedal battle platforms like in sci-fi, but proven to work thanks to advancing gyroscopic and pilot-sensetive controls).
    >> Anonymous !3I4SJbCh8M 04/18/12(Wed)00:05 No.18761877
    The other corps see these fields booming out of nowhere, and get jelly. The fossil fuel market stands to lose a lot of money from the new radioactive and plasma-drive power sources being used and so Enron\\Exxon\\Evil coal & Oil empire X conglomerate an R&D division to copy the power sources and make their own weapon technology.

    As does the EXISTING global armament manufacturing community, lest they become completely outdated.

    Branson finally gets serious from behind the scenes as megacorps begin destroying the world more rapidly than before in order to steal one another's new tech and for a show of weapon design superiority for those lavish contracts. Eventually these groups own so much capital that they envelop country states and become the new borderlines.
    Then the megacorps stop looking for government contracts, and start contracting one another because of better profits to be had.

    Then Branson one day, while remaining as secret as possible in charge of his two newest brainchildren, looks up at the stars and remembers something in his old age that he forgot entirely about since his relative youth. And feels a little sad. He immediately sends forth his erstwhile technological pioneering corporations, and their standing corporate armies, to go to war with the rest of the world. To destroy the other corporations for previously unknown terrible acts.
    >> Anonymous !3I4SJbCh8M 04/18/12(Wed)00:07 No.18761897
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    You see, gentle reader, when Richard Branson was forced by underhanded corporate tactics to leave Virgin Galactic behind... his opponents set up shop. Taking junk sattelites and retrofitting them with bastardised facsimilies of the technologies he pioneered. The world is now blanketed with sattelites that fire radioactive and plasma-based death upon anything not sanctioned by a few corporate heads detectged up there. Just to make sure he wasn't lying to them.
    So Branson begins work on his penultimate endeavor. The last one he expects to see in his own lifetime. He builds on Antarctica, using land he's already owned there for a while now, and builds what is called the Ehrenburg batteries. He sets in motion the framework for a return to the stars, using Téo and Téa project research data, to build a colony-ship fleet. But only when the orbital no-escape batteries are dead.

    Oh yeah. His two main holdings in those times? They're named Rayleonard and Akvavit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:12 No.18761988
    In addition to Rayleonard being based in Canada, I now have an actual reason to love them.

    Something always did feel different about them... maybe it was just the mission briefings and how I seem to remember them being less dickish and having fewer missions that left you feeling like a terrible person afterwards.

    'course that's going from playing 4/4A right after they came out and promptly moving on, so the memory might be a bit fuzzy.
    >> Anonymous !3I4SJbCh8M 04/18/12(Wed)00:44 No.18762466
    Indeed. It did seem that they were more SCIENCE! driven than even Omer SCIENCE. Maybe Mooch has something to do with them...
    But when it came down to it, the brazen war with the NEXTS that Rayleonard and AkvaVit waged just seemed so... desperate. After that mission you take to destroy the Ehrenburg Batteries they just go apeshit.
    Too bad about the protagonist being a silent autist. For Omer to wipe them clean for their trouble.

    Just glad O'Brien is still alive in the quest.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)00:58 No.18762605
    I always felt kind of bad about how things went with Rayleonard in 4's story. They never really felt like a thread; even with their bullshit prototype NEXTs (which were so deadly that the first time I fought them I legitimately killed them BY ACCIDENT) fighting them always felt sort of like being a member of Seal Team 6 sent in to wipe out a village full of African hunter-gatherers. Not just unbalanced, but a tad or more on the dickish side.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)01:01 No.18762642
    *threat. Though admittedly they also didn't feel much like a thread.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:17 No.18763476
    Hey AC-Guy, did you ever get around to posting the decision tree for the prologue? I don't remember seeing it.

    You've mentioned that evil path a couple times now.

    Also bump.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)02:19 No.18763494

    Nope. Need to make the spoiler-free version.

    Which since I'm busy with the quest proper and making the rules in between finding a new place to live and getting a job.....
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)02:27 No.18763573
    Ahh. No worries then. Life > Quest/Rules > backtracking for exposition.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:25 No.18764915
    I wonder whether it would be Ari or Elise that got jealous of it first...
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)05:26 No.18764916
    Bump for tomorrow.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)11:41 No.18767360
    Damnit, why can't I remember that thing I was gonna ask?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)15:56 No.18769526
    >blatant unashamed bump
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)15:58 No.18769536

    And why should you be ashamed?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)16:06 No.18769626
    Dunno, really. I just find bumping a thread without any sort of real content in the post a tad distasteful
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)16:08 No.18769634
    Anyway, I promised something special, so what do you guys want?

    >A peek at how skills work.

    >A look at the parts list and classifications I have in mind.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:10 No.18769651
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)16:11 No.18769663
    My vote's on skills.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:15 No.18769729

    Also is it just me or is high sync + bucket of d2 chaingun the most hilarious thing ever?
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)16:18 No.18769767

    I am seriously thinking of removing that from the game, just because of how dumb it was.

    I was just tossing out high/low variations of the same stat line and see how it played.

    Then I actually ROLLED it, and saw the sheer DERP.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:24 No.18769805
    For chainguns maybe add in a stat for maximum hit dice? I haven't tried rolling, but a limiter on the amount of exploded dice per chaingun might balance the stats a little.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)16:31 No.18769866
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    >Fill every weapon slot with 10d2 chaingun
    >Attack with circumstance bonuses and like eight degrees of success
    >Flip jar of coins
    >Flip slightly smaller jar of crits
    >Repeat half a dozen times

    Pic related, real life equivalent. 550 rounds of .22 LR in about 12 seconds. Doesn't matter what kind of armor you have on, you just ate 3 pounds of lead.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)16:37 No.18769945
    Skills it is then.

    Skills are easy: They get a rating, plus the related attribute, plus any circumstantial modifiers.

    The ratings are: Basic, advanced, master. Each rank adds an additional +5 to the target number.

    There's also a quick skill test, and an extended test.

    In a quick test for mechanics for instance, you might want to diagnose a problem in your damaged thrusters an compensate mid-battle.

    Because this is a relatively simple task, it's simply a 'beat the target' scenario. An example would be when Laurie and Ken, the mechanic, disarmed the bomb.

    An extended test would be something like repairing a core after battle. You would have two target numbers: a number to roll under for difficulty, and a number of success points needed to finish the task.

    In this scenario, the rolls resemble combat, with the effect dice increasing with the success rating, and then potentially exploding the dice for bigger numbers.

    You can buy perks and take flaws that make it so that the dice you roll for effect get bigger/smaller.

    For instance, Mooch's computer use (required skill for hacking) lets him use a d10, while Dave is tech-retarded as far as computer shit goes, so he would only gets a d4.

    It should also be noted that certain things can only be attempted with a certain skill mastery. Take mechanics for instance: You can change a tire untrained. You can realign a gun barrel with basic, you can diagnose a hydraulics problem with advanced, but you aren't even allowed to THINK about touching the reactor core without a skill mastery.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)16:55 No.18770100

    Something I forgot to mention: sometimes those extended tests have a time limit: Like when you're trying to patch up damage on a core before an enemy arrives, or trying to hack and extract data before your signal gets back-tracked and you get booted out of the system.

    Let's say Mooch is rolling to hack a terminal, and the system's security is REALLY GOOD. He only has two rounds to get what he can out.

    Getting all the data he could use would take a full 100 points of success.

    Because he plotted this out in advance, he gets a +10 to hack, on top of his higher intelligence rating (20) and his skill Mastery (another +15).

    He has a full 45 as his target number, before you consider the extremely tight security. So he loses a 10.

    He rolls a natural one for the initial hack, which normally would have taken his threshold of 6 and given him 5 additional successes. But rolling a nat 1/100 gives you an additional degree of success/failure (hasn't come up yet in the quest proper). So with 7 degrees of success, mooch gets to roll a full 8 dice to try and hack.


    He rolled a ten, so he gets a chance to explode: He succeeds, and rolls an 8.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)16:56 No.18770112

    Mooch now has 44/100 success points. Since he got a critical success, the GM decides he gets a bonus round to try and get more.

    Mooch then gets a 100, and doesn't have a fate point to spare to fix it. Not only does he fail to get any more data out this round, but the next round the system gets harder to hack after it's spotted such a clumsy error.

    Now he has to beat a 30 instead of a 35. Rolling again, he gets two degrees of success, and lucks out with two 10s. He's now at 64/100, and he activates one of his aspects (Supreme confidence) to cool his nerves and give him a higher determination for the next check. He makes it, barely, with the boost and roll a 5 and another 10. His boost still active, he manages to beat is one more time and get a 3.

    He managed to get 82/100 possible successes before getting kicked out of the system, giving him a decent head-start on information, though not as good as he COULD have done.

    You want me to explain aspects too, or save it for a later date?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)17:10 No.18770287
    Sure, why not?
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)17:56 No.18770789
    Sorry about the delay: My router crashed.

    An aspect is basically the same as it is under the FATE system: A defining character trait. There's also a points system associated with it, but it's a bit more flexible than FATE points.

    Let's take Mooch's example aspect: Supreme Confidence. Having it invoked basically makes him think 'I got this'. In a situation where a small boost could really help out, Mooch can invoke this trait in order to give him the boost and help him.

    However, the GM could ALSO choose to invoke this trait, for a negative effect. You could have one of your aspects be 'Greatest swordsman ever' and get a decent boost to your melee skills. But you should also expect people to hear abut your reputation and make you prove it.

    In Mooch's case, it would make him think 'I got this' in situations where he most certainly does not.

    Now, as a player you COULD buy off these things, at the cost of a action chip (working title). The GM could accept this, or raise you. Mooch can at any time choose to stop trying to resist the urge, and get the entire stack of chips the GM is promising him for acting 'in character'. But if the GM backs down, Mooch loses all those chips, but also gets to walk away from a situation he really isn't ready for.

    Aspects may or may not be a optional part of the final system, but I fucking love them, so I'm probably going to try and shoe-horn them in there. I just like the diea of a visible mechanical profit from staying true to your character. It's one of the best ways to get a munchkin to stop Min/Maxing constantly.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)18:18 No.18770966
    I particularly like the idea of gambling as to whether or not you're properly in character.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)18:50 No.18771281

    I'm more or less stealing it from FATE wholesale.

    Generally, it's going to be hard under the system to build an unbeatable character, just because there's so many ways to get fucked over.

    Take those guys who jumped Mooch back when he stole his Core: They were PERFECTLY st up to counter Mooch. But the second Elsie, the sniper showed up.... she could've more or less soloed those guys.

    So most of the time, you're going to be working with your team to make the best of the 2 out of 5 possible good things you could be doing with your core. There's also the option to have more than one core, built for different scenarios... but constant switching between AIs would rape your synch score, and constantly swapping the core around would be difficult and potentially harmful to the sensitive AI systems.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)19:22 No.18771704
    So anybody else got anything for me?

    Questions, comments, concerns?

    I thrive on feedback.
    >> ClericMan 04/18/12(Wed)19:29 No.18771803
    so as we sit now are AC has no primal armor right?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)19:33 No.18771840
    What are Alex's traits/feats/skills?
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)20:00 No.18772176

    Currently, in canon where you are at?

    You have never seen or heard of it.


    Not 100% set in stone yet.

    I've been playing with his stat-line as I've been playing with the mechanics.
    I'll mock up something in a little bit so you guys have something to work with.
    >> ClericMan 04/18/12(Wed)20:22 No.18772470
    Alrighty, that's what i wanted to know
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)20:34 No.18772616
    That's what it was. If we'd gone north with the corps in Oregon, would it be correct to assume we'd have gotten easier and/or earlier access to experimental tech?

    Assuming that's not a spoiler.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)20:39 No.18772676
    Right: This is Alex's Character sheet, more or less as it stands NOW. Will probably change in the future.

    Alex Raston, M, 19.

    Intelligence: 15.
    Strength: 15.
    Agility: 25.
    Toughness: 30.
    Determination: 45 [base]
    Synch Ratio: 53 [base]
    Perception: 20.

    Ballistics: 20.
    Melee: 15.


    Computer use (Basic)
    Piloting (Master)
    Tactics (Advanced)
    Mechanics (Basic)
    [This is just the shit that's come up. Not sure about some others yet.]


    [Supreme Focus] Alex can take a combat round to ready himself for his next action/reaction for a +10 bonus.
    [Danger Sense] Alex cannot be caught flat-footed by a surprise attack.
    [Machine Empathy] Alex gets a +5 to Synch rate, and a +5 to perception while piloting.
    [Mind of Steel] Alex ignores any debuff related to wounds until the round after.


    [Guardian] Alex gains a +5 to anything involving protecting an ally, and a -5 to anything that results in one getting hurt.
    [Haunted] Alex gains the fatigued status after a full combat due to trauma.

    Aspects: (None Yet, was thinking about introducing them soon.)
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)20:43 No.18772715


    It's hard to say, there are so many potential fucking route here....

    On an unrelated note, I know you have IC reasons to do it, and I applaud you for staying in character, but I'm kinda disappointed nobody's wanted to do the Arena yet.

    It's like WWE crossed with MXC in giant robots.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)20:45 No.18772732
    Well, I know where my next vote will go with that description.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)20:45 No.18772736
    I've been wanting to do the arena since it was first brought up can't wait for it to happen.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:04 No.18772964
    Come on guys, keep it coming.

    I'm loving this conversation.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:07 No.18772995
    How much does the Arena pay compared to other types of jobs?

    Also the Arena while fun sounding, doesn't give us an opportunity to loot enemy Cores and forge connections with businesses. Also you get to use weird unconventional terrain based tactics in the other types of missions that you have less preparation for, more seat of your pants, and the objectives are more varied.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:11 No.18773047
    Tech question for you AC-Guy: Are exceed orbits a purchasable core type in this timeline?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)21:25 No.18773240
    Arright. So, the arena uses its own ranking system for matches, yes? So if we were randomly matched against another arena newbie, we could, theoretically, be up against a pilot of any skill rank?

    Also, what happened to the rocket punch arm that Killington had acquired?

    At this point, we've done the bounty hunt, we'll have done a corp run after this next job, only makes sense we finish with a stint in the arena, to finish up the (assumed) three job "archetypes."
    >> Asukafag 04/18/12(Wed)21:32 No.18773340
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    "Suck on my missile punch!"
    —President Michael Wilson
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:32 No.18773341

    True enough, but it's also a lot of spectacle.

    the arena is also a lot like other professional sports: You could get money JUST from winning fights, or you could also get money on the side endorsing products, people might sponsor you and/or events to get some publicity, and some people might just start handing you parts because they like betting on you and they want you to win.

    Or they're rich and bored and think it would be awesome to just start handing out Karasawas.


    I recognize that term, but I can't remember what that means. Like those spider-tank things from earlier in the thread.


    >Rocket punch arm

    It was a rocket Flail, and you still have it the hangar somewhere. You haven't done anything with it, in part because it was a hilariously over-specialized piece of equipment with multiple weaknesses.

    >Arena rankings.

    Count as regular fights for purposes of rank: You're a recognized B, so you'll be a B going into the Arena. They'll try and match you against something appropriate, since there's no fun in trying to bet on an obvious Curb-Stomp battle.

    As a Side note, 'kills' in the Arena count towards Ace status.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)21:41 No.18773450
    Punch, flail, near enough.

    I suppose that makes sense, then. We could enter solo or whatever team size we choose?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:45 No.18773511
    >I recognize that term, but I can't remember what that means. Like those spider-tank things from earlier in the thread.

    It was a core type from armored core 3 through last raven that deployed hovering weapon pods above your core instead of having an overboost system. The weapons contained in the pods could either be energy based (EN shotgun, machine gun and cannon) or shell based (rifle, machine gun, linear gun). The EN type tended to have shorter range than their solid shell counterparts but could be recharged once the energy for them (the "ammo") was depleted. With an Energy EO core, you essentially had a backup weapon with infinite ammo, they just had absurdly long reload times. They were useful in a pinch.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:45 No.18773512

    Separate events for solo and team matches.

    You could in theory divvy up so that everybody's doing different things at once, but Elsie and Lawrence aren't particularly well suited to one on one combat in their current builds, and as a GM I would be forced to kill you for making me keep track of five different high-spectacle bat-shit crazy matches with different style simultaneously.

    Seriously, shit like people doing THAT constantly is what made me stop GMing all together for well over a year.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:48 No.18773546

    So in terms of Game Crunch, you'd get another accessory weapon slot in exchange for lower mobility.

    Doable, but you could get some insane DAKKA going if you went batshit: There are arms, legs (like the ones on Mooch's core), AND chest pieces where you can mount additional weapon accessory types. Dropping the over-boost for MORE seems doable, if SLIGHTLY excessive.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:50 No.18773569

    So I mean I guess I COULD make rules for that in case people wanted them but man, that's a LOT of fucking guns. That's like 6 EXTRA accessory weapons, on top of the ones on your shoulders.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)21:51 No.18773577
    >as a GM I would be forced to kill you for making me keep track of five different high-spectacle bat-shit crazy matches with different style simultaneously.
    I can understand that. I certainly wouldn't suggest that to actually happen, either.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)21:54 No.18773629
    Well, what kind of accessory weapons can you equip? Do you have a spreadsheet or notepad document for them?

    What can I say? I believe the three tenets to winning a battle are firepower, firepower and more firepower.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:58 No.18773677

    I've seen it happen.

    One of my personal 'favorites' was during a Shadowrun game. The party split up to pursue their own personal things while waiting for a contact to get back to them.

    One guy threw his adopted daughter a birthday party, one guy chose to enter a MMA cage match championship, one guy masterminded and executed a back job with another team of (NPC) runners that closely resembled the one the Joker did towards the beginning of The Dark Knight, one guy challenged the Halloweeners to a 'who can cause more property damage before having to run from the cops' contest, and the last one went to perform a political assassination.

    They all agreed that it wouldn't be fair to the other players to let one guy have the spotlight for too long, so I could just keep swapping between them.

    So I had to run ALL OF THOSE scenarios, at the same time, improv style. Players thought it was fun, but I almost killed myself trying to keep track of initiative passes.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)21:59 No.18773696

    I'm still working on weapons. I offered you guys a peek at them earlier, but you chose skills over that.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:00 No.18773724
    I wasn't here in the thread at the time. It's all good AC-Guy; good things come to those who wait.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/18/12(Wed)22:01 No.18773734
    Never meant to imply it doesn't happen, also: Jesus christ.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)22:04 No.18773779

    Going back and story-timing later in an appropriate thread might be fun, and it's really cool on paper.

    But fuck me, I wanted to hang myself when I understood the implications of what we were getting into.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)22:25 No.18774060
    So anything else people are curious about?

    How actions are supposed to work, combat and initiative, etc?

    Skill clarifications?

    Various lists and charts?

    I got like an Hour-ish before I was planning to run. I was also going to eat dinner early so there HOPEFULLY won't be any huge gaps in play time.

    Though some part of me finds your hatred of me having to go to the bathroom or something HILARIOUS.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:27 No.18774079
    How actions are supposed to work, combat and initiative, etc?

    I want a better grasp of that sort of thing, if you have time after that lists and charts would be awesome.
    >> ClericMan 04/18/12(Wed)22:33 No.18774127
    so do we have a quantifiable health bar or are we running some gears of war bs where its your taking a random amount of damage and then it heals just as fast as it built up
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)22:43 No.18774229

    You WILL have a quantifiable health bar, right now it's slightly vague on the exact numbers, but it's there.

    It's like your CORE has a bar labeled integrity, and when that goes away, your core is dead, but not you, unless you got gibbed by a cockpit breech or something.

    It's sort of both wound points and hit points at the same time: A lot of damage to one spot will cause that part of the core to break, and so on, while if you were to just take X amount of damage your core just can't take that many minor hits.

    Some stuff, like the Primal armor I'm still working on regenerates.

    It's complicated, I'll keep you guys posted as I narrow it down more.


    This is going to be a hll of a post, so I went with the shorter, easier answer first.
    >> ClericMan 04/18/12(Wed)22:49 No.18774304
    awesome, good to know were not immortal or one shot off from exploding funny
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)22:52 No.18774343
    Right then, in an action scene (which 99% of the time will be a fight scene) you have a AP bar for 'action points'. This is a replinishing bar you use to BUY an action.

    Let's say you start with 10 AP, Have a max bar of 20 AP, and regain 8 AP a turn.

    You would have a list of possible actions that would look like this:

    Move: 3 AP.
    Shoot: 4 AP.
    Reload: 2 AP.
    Skill check: 1 AP.

    Now let's break that down:

    You decide to run and jump behind cover, and this would cost you 6 AP, because you had to move twice to get there. Let's say the turn ended there.

    Next turn, you start with 14 AP. Etc.

    You could also do things like spend a point of AP to hold your action, and try to interrupt. Like you see some guy charging you with a pipe, you can choose to take a normal defensive action, or you could choose to hold, make an opposed initiative test, and interrupt his action by disarming him or performing a counter-attack.

    Things like Max AP, refresh rate, and the costs of various actions could vary significantly, but the core mechanic is still there. I haven't been strictly enforcing this, because it would slow the quest down to a fucking CRAWL every time /tg/ had to vote for an action, and then calculate, etc.

    I've mostly been hand-waving/rule of cool that bit.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)22:58 No.18774406
    So basically XCOM

    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:00 No.18774428

    This is the part where I admit to never having gotten to play X-Com, and get laughed off /tg/.

    My inspiration was how combat worked in the first two Fallout games. Not sure what resemblance it bears to anything else.
    >> ClericMan 04/18/12(Wed)23:08 No.18774516
    dont feel bad AC-Guy, you have a loyal fallowing that will protect your /tg/ rights
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:12 No.18774565
    XCOM is basically the same but more complicated because you had both STAMINA and TIME UNITS. Also you didn't know jack about what the numbers actually meant or what gun wuz gud or anything until you learned by trial and error.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:12 No.18774571

    Thanks man.

    Hey, does anybody know a good way to contact Lord Licorice? If you do, could you get him to change the tags for thread 14 so it matches the other Tags?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:15 No.18774598

    Sorry, AC-Guy, that was my bad. No idea how to change the tags.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:18 No.18774641

    You'd have to get ahold of one of sup/tg/'s admins. I have no idea how to do this, I was hoping one of you guys knew.

    I'm not angry about it or anything, but I'm concerned that people who want to play catch-up aren't going to be able to read all the threads if some of them are mis-tagged.

    Not a huge concern NOW, but if we go 100+ threads in like Zeon-Quest did we're going to need to have our shit straight so people can actually try and read it.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:22 No.18774693
    Just click on his name on one of the front page messages to get his email address.

    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:34 No.18774841

    I'll have to send something his way later.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:36 No.18774870

    You shouldn't have 100+ threads. That's just dragging it on. Look at Heretical Love Quest - probably the single best quest threads that've been on /tg/ in the past year and they didn't go for very long. The story had a beginning, middle, and end, and it was well-done all the way through.

    Think of where you want this to go. Or eight ways it could end. but don't drag it on. I have a massive problem with MSQ simply because it's gone on far too long now.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:39 No.18774917
    haha no
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:41 No.18774935

    I've got a multitude of solid routes for people to go down.

    How long the quest is depends on which route people choose, and how well they do with things like the dice. I have no problem with a 'bad end' to the quest.

    Thing is, with the pacing and everything, I think the quest is going to go on for a while. Not because I have some evil plot to make it last forever, but the way things are going..... you guys are in the middle of like chapter 2 of like 10-15, assuming you reach one of the 'real' ends and don't die.

    I'm not just going to go 'OH, TOO MANY THREADS, TIME TO END'. But I'm also not going to arbitrarily keep it going after the ending should have happened.

    Also, fuck you MSQ is awesome.
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:42 No.18774947

    Care to elucidate, you clearly eloquent individual?
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:43 No.18774966
    >Also, fuck you MSQ is awesome

    I think it WAS awesome. It's easy to get bored of something.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:44 No.18774983
    Thread's up: >>18774971
    >> Anonymous 04/18/12(Wed)23:47 No.18775029
    Nah, you want other people to stop having fun when you stop having fun. That's dumb.
    >> AC-Guy 04/18/12(Wed)23:49 No.18775071

    I can see how it might get worn out, but there's obviously a hell of a lot more potential left.

    Some quests are good short. HLQ was short and sweet, and a fun romp while it lasted.

    Zeon Quest went on forever, we KNEW it was going to go on forever, and the people who actually followed the quest fucking loved it beginning to end.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)06:12 No.18778196
    Keeping this thread alive for crunch later, assuming /tg/ survives the night.
    >> ClericMan 04/19/12(Thu)06:54 No.18778478
    You know, im developing a serous love hate relationship with quest, dam you and your cliffhangers
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)12:28 No.18780149
    Live, damn you, liiive!
    >> Asukafag 04/19/12(Thu)15:37 No.18781857
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    Don't you dare die on me you stupid jerk!
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:08 No.18783526
    Right, so undoubtedly some of you are wondering about the whole vision quest thing at the end of the last thread.

    So I figure I can either talk about that, or talk about GUNS and PARTS.

    Either way is cool with me, I need a moment to try and trick my mac's battery into charging, so place your votes and I'll get to it ASAP.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)18:12 No.18783560
    Oh, man. That's a kinda tough choice.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)18:14 No.18783574
    is it just me, or does her chin look really fucking weird
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:15 No.18783598

    Original Eva wasn't know for high production quality.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:24 No.18783673
    So today I found out when I got my new car insurance policy, that by getting life insurance and re-insuring a car I have that doesn't really run ATM, I save enough money that the life insurance is basically free, insuring the second car is free, and I still save like ten bucks on top of that.

    Used the money to buy some new air-fresheners for my car.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)18:27 No.18783699
    I flipped a coin, and it said GUNS and PARTS, but I'm more curious about the vision quest thing. So, I'm voting vision quest.

    What the deuce?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:29 No.18783736

    About the fact that I posted something off-topic to bump the thread, or my low low savings?

    I have a tendency to say something totally random to kill the silence in a given conversation. Even when that, in turn, creates more awkward silences.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)18:32 No.18783770

    Sweet and sour pork makes for a better random topic than insurance.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)18:34 No.18783788
    The low, low savings. They baffle me.

    I totally dig saying random things to try and kill the silence.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:34 No.18783791

    Meh, I got a good deal, and I'm happy with it.

    Then again, I did have Chinese food for lunch immediately prior to talking to my insurance agent.

    Sadly they didn't have the S&S pork, so I got some teriyaki chicken instead.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:36 No.18783806

    Apparently having life insurance lowers your rates, and you can insure a parked car against like theft (but you can't drive it around) for like five dollars a month.

    And this qualifies you for a multi-car discount of like 20 bucks a month.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:38 No.18783826
    And we're now HILARIOUSLY off topic. Anybody got an opinion other than Udz for what I type up?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)18:41 No.18783851
    I'm cool with whatever.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)18:50 No.18783940
    Here's something I want to know, do we have a detailed stat sheet for Alex?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)18:56 No.18784000
    You can see the "current" sheet in >>18772676
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)18:58 No.18784031
    Alright, the vision quest thing isn't really hugely complicated: It's a side effect of a high synch ratio with your core.

    In the last crunch thread, somebody asked for examples of what various synch thresholds meant as far as piloting goes.

    Basically, you were synching so high that your brain was getting background data it couldn't comprehend, so your core was helping you understand them: basically causing you to hallucinate someone else having some sort of an aura. This combined with what amounts to a low grade psychic connection with your core during a synch, resulted in this.

    For instance: You were to see a kid playing with an RC car. The core would recognize that the remote controlled the car by listening to the data and watching the car's reaction. But humans COULDN'T understand something like that, since we never evolved the capacity to read a radio-wave with our brain.

    So the core shows you something metaphorical that would allow you to make the logical leap: like a leash going from the control to the car like a dog, or a set of strings like a puppeteer would use.

    There's also the fact that you'll start feeding the core subconscious information like reading body language or your evolved 'sixth sense' that tells you danger's near, allowing it to better help identify threats, which in turn helps you pilot better, which etc.

    Any questions?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:01 No.18784064

    There's also the 'character sheet' for his core:


    [Galahad Head] Sensor rating 10. Weight, 5. EN Consumption, 15.
    [Denali Legs] Weight support: 80. EN consumption: 22. AP: 30.
    [Elmeth Body] Weight: 30. EN consumption: 20. AP: 50. SPECIAL: All EN damage to AC is reduced by 15%.
    QQRV High capacity Generator. EN output: 120, Weight: 5. Capacitor recharge rate: 15 (25 in passive mode).
    [Judith Arms] Weight: 10. EN consumption 15.


    Primary 1:AR-227
    >[KE damage]: DR 10, ammo 25. Weight 4.
    Primary 2: Olympia
    >[EN Beam rifle]: DR 12, EN consumption 15, Weight 4.
    Secondary 1: Deagle
    >DR 6, Ammo 10, Weight 1.
    Secondary 2: Katana
    >DR 10, EN cost 10, weight 2.
    Shoulder 1: Chaff
    >DR [N/A], Ammo 15, Weight 1.
    Shoulder 2: Scatter Missiles
    >DR 10, Ammo 5, Weight 2.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)19:09 No.18784130
    I don't really expect an answer, but: What's the deal with that synch rate boost at the end, that resulted in the vision quest thing?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:10 No.18784142

    Upcoming plot twist.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/19/12(Thu)19:11 No.18784168
    That's pretty much what I expected.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)19:27 No.18784362
    Would you mind outlining Laurences personality? We haven't spent much time on him so far but I'd like to know in character a bit more about him.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:29 No.18784382

    I could give you a quick run down of the whole cast if you want.

    In fact I think I did already, or at least physical appearances.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:42 No.18784563
    The thing about Lawrence, if you have to boil him down to a defining characteristic: is that he's very pretty, and he hates that.

    Like he's one of those guys who can't grow a beard, and could in fact pass for a woman with pretty much zero effort.

    But he REALLY IS a fairly tough guy. Like he doesn't really HAVE much of a feminine side. He's also vaguely homophobic and distrustful of girly things because he got a LOT of shit for being less than macho looking growing up.

    As a result he often acts grim and serious as a way of acting 'manly' to compensate for not looking like a manly man.

    Basically, picture if Raiden from MGS2 acted like Macho Man Randy Savage, to give you a vague idea of how big the dissonance between how he looks and how he acts is.

    You have seen the mask drop all of twice since you met him: Once was when you were about 15, and he saw an injured puppy. He damn near cried, and you also got to see that his fears were more or less accurate in terms of 'if I act any less tough I will be indistinguishable from a woman'.

    The second was in the hospital after he broke his arm in a fight with a guy who slapped his ass thinking that he was a girl.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)19:43 No.18784580
    You did indeed give us a run down of their apperances and I think personalities but all that you mentioned about Laurence was that he was a bishonen solid snake. I'm mostly fishing to find out if him having night terrors was something thats cropped up recently or not.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:44 No.18784593

    He's been avoiding the topic, so you'd have to ask him about it.

    There's only so much I feel comfortable revealing OOC.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)19:47 No.18784629
    Alright, thanks for the insight. Oh yeah do we happen to know the name of that awsome mechanic?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)19:49 No.18784645

    He said Ken, but he's clearly Japanese, so it's probably short for Kenji or something.

    You haven't really spent a lot of time talking to him.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)19:52 No.18784685
    Right I'll put those two down for more interaction then.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)20:51 No.18785358
    So anybody else got any questions?
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)21:02 No.18785480
    Tell us about guns, are there any weapon types that we haven't seen? We haven't seen anyone shoot a shotgun yet, how do those ones work?

    How much does performance vary between the ones we can get a hold of and the ones a pretty rich raven or a trusted Corp pilot could get? I'm talking standard AC weapons or new/experimental AC weapons not NEXT weapons which are probably in a league of their own.

    How dangerous is the flail gun, when used by an AC built to use it and if we just strapped it on to Dave's AC or something like that?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)21:12 No.18785563

    Guns and other parts are complicated, I'll have to do a dedicated write-up at some point.

    Shotguns are pretty simple: due to the scatter effect of the shots, they're really only usable in close to mid range, and they get more accurate but less powerful the farther you are away until it barely scratches the paint, and then there's point blank which is getting close to a sword or a HEAT rod it terms of damage, but is easier to avoid.

    The Flail-gun is a gimmick weapon: if you can exploit the gimmick properly, it's incredibly effective, like that one AC build in 4A that could one-shot an arms-fort. It is 'rape-train-no-brakes' territory. the problem is that if you know how to get AROUND that gimmick....

    Well, you saw what happened to the guy.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)21:17 No.18785597
    rolled 77 = 77

    Er, shouldn't shotguns get LESS accurate the further they get? If you're thinking of spread, then shotguns don't really spread out as much as you would believe. I'd say that with the right choke, they'll spread around maybe 2 fists in width, less with a tighter choke.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)21:25 No.18785678

    More accurate in terms of 'more likely to hit', since it's a growing projectile cloud, and less damage because less and less of the projectiles are going to be connecting, and with less momentum.

    Also things like the choke would be something that would vary fro gun to gun.

    For instance, a shotgun that diffused quickly wouldn't be very good for a mech fight.... but it take a lot less damage to say, take out a support chopper or a bunch of civvies trying to run away from a fight.

    Or maybe use it to reveal a potentially hidden enemy.

    I'm aware that REAL shotguns, even sawed off ones built for maximum spread, aren't as crazy as some people seem to think.

    But for one: giant robots, disbelief can be suspended slightly, and for two: makes for a more interesting game dynamic.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)21:38 No.18785830

    I guess what I was trying to say here was that I don't care about it being realistic so much as I care about it being interesting and fun. This is an interesting 'twist' to give shotguns to make them stand-out more from other weapons.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)22:03 No.18786142
    How exactly does Ari's over-weapon work? We've heard it's destructive but getting a better on idea on how destructive and how hard it is to dodge would be nice. Also what are the specs more or less for her AC?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)22:10 No.18786223

    Still cribbing the specs. But as far as the gun goes.... Remember the Giga cannon from V?


    It's a lot like that.

    If you know what you're doing, it's easy to avoid.

    But if you were, say hit by a bolos and immobilized for like three seconds....
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)22:30 No.18786499
    That is a very big gun. Sadly I don't think it would have worked that well on Flaming Ball of Death man. He would be too fast, immediately target her or get too close to one of us for it to be effective.

    What is Rayleonard's opinion on having a consistent working relationship with a team of freelancers?
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)23:07 No.18787025

    Generally the people the corps want to work with them consistently get absorbed into the corps.

    Thus far, the only one who HASN'T is Joshua O'Brien, and it's an open secret that Omer has been doing their damnedest to bring him in.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)23:34 No.18787406
    New thread up: >>18787396
    >> Asukafag 04/19/12(Thu)23:35 No.18787412
    Like five hours late but...
    That's a shot from Shinji Ikari Raising Project.
    Yes, that's a thing.
    Made by Gainax.
    It's basically Princess Maker: Evangelion Edition.
    So yeah, the art quality isn't that great.
    >> AC-Guy 04/19/12(Thu)23:37 No.18787450

    I always got the gay ending for that.

    I still have no idea what I was doing wrong.
    >> Anonymous 04/19/12(Thu)23:42 No.18787512
    Maybe its your sub conscience telling you something?
    >> Asukafag 04/19/12(Thu)23:46 No.18787552
    EVERYONE goes through the "dammit Shinji why do you alway send up with fucking Kaworu" phase.
    I honestly don't remember how to avoid it, it's been a couple years.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)00:08 No.18787833

    I don't think so, I'm secure enough in myself that I wouldn't be in denial if that were the case.

    I was however witness to what was easily the most awkward coming out of the closet I've ever heard of.

    >At friends house.
    >Helping him pack stuff to move into apartment.
    >His Dad is fellow geek, let us play D&D there.
    >Dad borrows his laptop to check his e-mail.
    >Spots D&D folder.
    >Opens it up.
    >"Wow, you have a whole sub folder for traps? you must make for an interesting DM."
    >"Wait, why is this filled with pictures of women?"
    >Long awkward silence.

    The worst part is not being able to say anything to comfort him, since I didn't want the MISUNDERSTANDINGS to get any worse.
    >> Anonymous 04/20/12(Fri)00:12 No.18787865
    My brother nearly killed our dad when he told him he wanted to be a women in the middle of dinner way back when. Shit was super awkward.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)03:54 No.18789981
    Just to say it, this thread probably won't make it to tomorrow night. Not for long, as we're about 3 posts from autosage after this one.
    >> Anonymous 04/20/12(Fri)06:44 No.18791060

    Then we should archive this sucker so the information in it doesn't get lost. Does AC Guy handle that, or is it just up to whoever?
    >> Anonymous 04/20/12(Fri)10:25 No.18792164
    Don't listen to this guy, AC.
    I was really glad to finally see a Quest Runner who has prepared before hand and has some kind of a long-term plan to keep quest rolling. Often it happens that someone makes a quest when they are bored, do a a couple of threads and disappear no matter how interesting the quest was.

    Props to you for willing to do this for 100+ threads consistently.
    >> Asukafag 04/20/12(Fri)13:57 No.18793630
    Are we in autosage yet?
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)15:33 No.18794444

    I think 300 posts is the bump limit.

    So THIS would be the the last bump.

    I THINK.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)16:00 No.18794674
    It is 300, so, one of 'em was.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)16:36 No.18794985
    So, anything you guys want to hear about before the thread dies?

    Rules, setting info, talking about the Kickstarter thing?
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)17:30 No.18795390
    If I wasn't absolute crap at asking questions, I would, but... well.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)17:37 No.18795440

    It's cool. These things happen.

    I'm kinda curious as to what your take on the kickstarter thing from the last thread is.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)17:44 No.18795494
    I'd have to go back and reread it at this point, but I probably shouldn't take that time while I'm at work.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)17:46 No.18795510

    It's only like the last ten posts of the last thread in the archives.

    It's cool if you don't have the time though.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)18:46 No.18796006
    Thanks to breaks, and my phone still having the thread loaded, I'd say it's a neat idea. I'd probably pledge a few bucks your way for it.

    I'm also curious what other names you've used in the past, but, whatever, really.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)18:50 No.18796053

    At least one of them will grab immediate attention.

    That's the main reason I HAVEN'T used it. Now I'm considering it.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)18:52 No.18796072
    Oh noes?
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)19:02 No.18796187

    It's not a BAD thing, per say, just.... something I was going to avoid.

    It's an issue of contamination: The internet, especially 4chan, allows us to be anonymous. How many times have you seen a terrible movie because an actor you liked was in it?

    I like the ability to have people judge what I say and do ENTIRELY on it's own merits. Not because I did them.

    This, to me, is one of the best things about the internet. It's be fantastic for me, from a creative standpoint, because attaching a brand to what I do would impact and hurt feedback.

    And that's more or less exactly what I would be doing in this case, because that sort of branding is pretty much the best way to get your name out there and have a product sell.

    It's something of a quandary for me.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)19:12 No.18796280
    I can dig it. I'm curious, sure, but I'm not gonna press you about it if you're not wanting to. So, y'know, don't do it till you think you, or it, are ready to have that name impact applied?

    That's all I can think of about it.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)19:17 No.18796314

    It's cool. Hell, I wouldn't mind just telling YOU, but this thread is already in the archives, and people will probably read this at a later date.

    At this point I'm leaning towards doing it, so right now I'm looking into how hard it would be to start up a small business and tallying costs right now.

    At least for the game project. Apparently kickstarter is only for projects, not businesses.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)19:32 No.18796437
    Hm. Looks like Rockethub is also a project based, but perhaps is more about the person/people doing the project?
    Indiegogo doesn't look to be so constrained, with many a campaign in their Small Business category.
    >> AC-Guy 04/20/12(Fri)19:33 No.18796452

    Other, kickstarter like sites exist?

    I was unaware of this.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)19:36 No.18796479
    Indeed they do. I know that when Extra Credits' artist got her arm broke, they ran a fund raising drive through Rockethub.

    Which also led to them breaking off with The Escapist, and picking up with PATV as the show host.
    >> !UdzMmUq0Oc 04/20/12(Fri)19:40 No.18796514
    Down to the last thread on page 15, this is gonna 404 any moment, probably.

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