"Come on, Snake! Don't get all grumpy and start talking about how unscientific it is. Science is basically just another form of magic that makes our lives easier... Don't you think talking to someone halfway around the world is a kind of magic? Or flying across entire continents?"— Mei Ling, Super Smash Brothers
The "Magic" Continues.>Previous Threads Here: http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive.html?tags='Magical'%20Girl%20Quest============It is the Year 2012 After Diaspora. About two thousand years ago, the Two Day War forced Transhumanity to leave Old Terra behind, and spread to the stars - what was once barely more than a solar empire has become a confederacy of a thousand worlds. At its heart is the ReaDS, the Resource Distribution System that has overcome the problems of both scarcity and mortality, though Transhuman Space is not without its problems. Nearly forty-eight hours ago, First Contact was made, and it was less than friendly. Known as the <Hostile Contact/Vonnies> to the AIs, these Von Neumann machines overcame a small outpost world 'Regulus Prime through sheer attrition.In response to the threat, the AIs of the ReaDS have put into place Operation: Mahou Shoujo, a gambit to exploit an apparent bug in the enemy IFF system to by time for the countermeasure 'Project Riposte' to be completed.You are currently being the Demi-Godlike AI's Beloved Tomboyish Daughter. You have just assisted in the resleeving of your new Bestest Best Friend in the Whole Wide World, Alexa J. Barker - younger sister and fork of the legendary hero ALEX L. BARKER, THE RED COMET WHO GRASPS VICTORY FROM THE JAWS OF DEFEAT. The two of you had gone down to the Armory, where you were outfitted with the equipment that you are to be trained in to combat the threat of the <Hostile Contact/Vonnies>. After a mishap with your -FLIGHTSUIT-'s rather fickle mass modulation based flight system, you and Alex decided to go practice with your new toys.You are now headed to go clean up.>Wat Do?
>>20021076>I think we'd have to take a few months to grow some bodies for that, but I could see it working. Generally speaking.Genemods x surgery x gloves instead of real gloves?
>>20021096Well we need to take a shower, together. Shuck the armor off and put it somewhere, we don't need to wear clothes any longer. Lead Alexa to the shower, if she is still wearing clothes by the time we get them help her take them off, wash each other's back, sing. Show her how awesome a singer we are.
Clean up. Help out Alexa too!Then be the Daedalus.
>>20021133why don't we just give them power claws... instead of growing them in their hands?100x times simpler.>>20021096full speed to the showers, be naked when alexa gets there. do some singa, about the juna and the moona and the springawhile this is freshTHEMES HOOOOOOOOOOOIcarus:One Girl In All the World ~ Super Metroidhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDJ63ZHrGo8Reimu:Dawn of War II - For The Craftworldhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJhtIv_Yd5wMinaka:Shadow of the Colossus - Counterattackhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cTbRrz6BBsfeels too abrubt, even if I like the music itself.Alexa:MS Gundam Char's Counterattack OST - MAIN TITLE Starting at 1:14http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlJD7EAsYgAnne:what I have no feel for this girl
>>20021175>>20021133*Instead of real claws, hurp durp I'm a fucking moron.Also, yea, but more... feminine, if you know what I mean.No BIGHUEG things.Small, elegant, deadly weapons that sacrifice massive damage for speed.
>>20021133The genemods take time, we may as well grow new bodies, unless a suitable pre-made is available from the Face Conglomerate.That's all I'm saying.
>>20021194But Alexa is all about the Big Huge.She's in [strike]Terminator Armor[/strike] MARK SEVENTEEN VANGUARD POWERED ARMOR, turning her into a ONE POINT FIVE TON TITAN OF HYPERSONIC DESTRUCTION!
>>20021194They could be appropriately sized power claws(I don't want xbox huge either). Grow it into the body just adds needless complexity and growing time.>>20021217The DOLLs are already modded to maximum stats allowed I thought?
>>20021096Get clean, wash each others' back, attain covert glances of Alexa.Then see what food can be found in the cafeteria.
>>20021243I haven't any better ideas, so seconded.
>>20021227> alexaNono, any other girl we find.Not gonna dick around with Alexa's build, even if I get the votes for it.
>>20021243also, get mom to bypass rep requirements for good foodwe're saving the goddamned world here
>>20021175This. Not the bit about themes, I don't agree with all of them, but I don't feel like arguing about it every time we recruit a new character.Also, we're already making them better through genemods. Lolanimalsurgery is both redundant and going too far.
>>20021260Rep is unlikely to be an issue once that press release goes out. I mean seriously, think about it.
>>20021260> bypassYou are asking her to break into the cafeteria when you could just ask for lunch money.wat
>>20021280that doesn't help us tonight
>>20021285instead of asking her for lunch money, just make everything in the BASE SHE RUNS free.jesus raptor baby dicks christ
>>20021305>instead of asking her for lunch money, just make everything in the BASE SHE RUNS free.That will... end well, what with the way Icarus is currently behaving.Really sir, no issues here at all.
>>20021286This: >>20021285 Also, to point out: Icarus doesn't CARE. She liked shitty bologna because it was FOOD, for crapsakes. Alexa probably has a care package from Alex too, for that matter.
>>20021334she's already rationed the weed, I'm sure she can disable any alcohol or the like.>>20021342it already been described that she didn't like the FREEDOM food. Are we really arguing on if we should let them have better food when they want it?
>>20021342Bolognese, not quite teh same. And she didn't actually like it.But that's beside the point.>>20021378It wasn't that the FREEDOM food in general is disliked, she just learned to pay attention to the reviews. Which, admittedly, lead to the broblerone.I think the argument is whether or not to simply break the societal rep system for the sake of better food.
>>20021175>>20021145I'm thinking song wise something classical and soprano. The arias from Carmina Burana, the Magic Flute's "Queen of the Night", Ave Maria something along those lines.
>>20021305But it's not in the base she runs. We can already use the compiler to make whatever we want for free, we just don't have any good recipes. We have to buy them from the food companies if we want them.
The moment Alexa declares that the two of you should "hit the showers", you discover how easy the -FLIGHTSUIT-'s easy egress function is, shucking it off in a single sweep of your arm and throwing it at one of the mainenance automatons to have cleaned and stored. Alexa gives you one of those looks, reminding you that you are violating tradition here. But you are halfway to the showers by the time that it registers."Wait," Alexa says to your retreating back. "I don't know where the showers are..." She sighs, and brings them up on herdown your iGlasses, stripping down to her carpace as she trudges on behind you.You turn the water on, to a scalding temperature that sends a new feeling shivering through your skin. You aren't sure you like it, as though the heat is pleasant as it runs down your face, your hair, your body, the droplets sting as they touch your skin. Perhaps this is the human sense that is known as pain - a far from pleasant experience, but even then it is new to you and something you are glad to experience. You catalogue it in the rear of your mind as 'interesting, mildly unpleasant.'You turn the temperature down, slightly, to a more pleasant temperature. Far warmer than the liquid of the Glass Mother, or the shallows of the pool, yet not burning as the old.You here the clang of ALexa's carapace crashing into one of the maintenance bots, too large for one of them to handle alone. The sound of another faucet turns on, and in spite of yourself you feel the urge to sing.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAANKFPchtA>Wat do?
>>20021378>it already been described that she didn't like the FREEDOM food. Are we really arguing on if we should let them have better food when they want it?Then let them run BOINC or something as was planned.We cannot let the work ethic go down already~(Oh boy, I sound like an ultra-conservative scout leader... maybe that kind of mentality wouldn't hurt though).
>>20021442Mom = Benevolent Dictator of PlanetFirewall = Reports to momBase = Firewall BaseMom = Head of BaseShe could quite easily remove the rep requirements off the food compilers in our rooms or the cafetiera.>>20021485It'd be quite easy to bring their work ethic back by reviewing what Gray Goo does to human bodies if they slack off.>>20021473stealth peakage go
>>20021485Speaking as an actual former Boy Scout, I can tell you that food is an excellent motivator.
>>20021473See if we can get Alexa to join us in a duet. Also peeking at her, seeing how her body and our body differ and asking if we can wash each other's backs.
>>20021473Realize we don't really understand how showering works, ask Alexa for help
>>20021565Already saw it when she was in the tube.
>>20021543As I just said, the compilers don't have rep requirements. They can make whatever we want for free. What has rep requirements, is buying recipes to download from outside companies which mom has no direct control over. Sure, she could probably swing it, but it's a lot easier just to fucking buy them.
>>20021473Discuss her father/brother and what she knows of him/herself.Compare with your own experience.Bring up "mother" and casually bring up the topic of reproduction, then drop it at the first sign of her being /too/ uncomfortable with it.But FIRST: Invite her to sing along.
>>20021581We need a larger data set, to see it from more angles and in different conditions. Science.
>>20021588fuck do it your way, pikachu's way, whatever.All I want is when we get to the cafeteria that we don't have to eat Dollar General tomato paste and noodles that came from a cow's ass.
>>20021704I expect the firewall cafeteria compilers to have access to things beyond the FREEDOM of open source.
>>20021782Firewall probably has their own special menu installed in the compilers.
>>20021473Lesbian sex in the showers.
Any of the above except >>20021938.
>>20021938A little too soon there, buddy.
>>20022044We'll stop if she says no, of course.
>>20022068>>20021938Be patient man, we'll get there eventually.First we have shower time and we sing and wash each other's back. Then we sleep in the same bed under the excuse that we didn't want to sleep alone and/or had a dream/nightmare. After a while of that we one day kiss her on the lips and then run away blushing. Then it will happen.
>>20022082Goddamnit.>>20022068Still too soon. We gotta build up to it still.
>>20021938That's moving a bit too fast. We're in the "awkward interest" phase. Give it some time.
We need to give our new friend some broblerone later, and then introduce her to cyborg combat ponies.
"What song is that?" Alexa asks over the showers."I dunno, probably something momma listens to." You respond. "I'm really just going with what feels right, you know?""No..." the other girl trails off. You think you are getting better at identifying the emotions of humans - you believe that the tone you hear in Alexa's voice is indicative of that human emotion known as jealousy. "I don't..."Hmmm... Jealousy, perhaps mixed with that human condition known as sadness. Which is mostly definitely a bad thing for your bestest best friend to be feeling. The bits in your mind start computing, trying to find a solution to the problem. A-ha! You know just thing."Join in!" You turn to her. She's covered in some sort of foamy... foam. You wonder what it is."Ah," despite the fact that her back is turned, you can tell she's flustered. "I can't sing. Well, my brother can't sing, and I doubt that I got any skills that he doesn't..."You come up from behind her with a hug. "Oh, sure you do! I'm just a fork of momma, but momma can't sing any more than Alex could." Your hands slip from the foamy stuff, up to certain bits of her that are quite a bit larger than your analogous parts. "Now come on, sing with me!" You jiggle your hands around, and with them her. "Oh, and what's with the foamy stuff? And why are yours bigger than mine?"Alexa is a bright red. "G-genetics. And soap. You need it to take a shower. And could you...?"You let go. "Sorry. Now come on, sing!"You start singing, and nervously the other girl joins in.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n553QMZqKxc
>>20022768Finish showering, go have a meal together. You have to keep a body fueled or it's not good...also chocolate is designated a Dessert, which means we can have some broblerone afterwards.
>>20022768Ask for help washing.
>>20022825This. Dinner and desert.Also, ask what the big deal about clothes is.
>>20022825This, except learn what drugs are and have Toblerone.
>>20022756Start fingering Alexa. After all, masturbation felt good, and she's our friend, and we want her to feel good too, right?
>>20023126 Too lewd. Later.
>>20023126i have a strong suspicion that there is no more then 2 of you who keep suggesting stuff like that, if even that many.
>>20023126Lets...pass on that.I support the 'Get a meal' idea. Talk to Alexis about stuff. Small talk is good. Hobbies etc.
>>20023171I'd be all for it, but too soon. And Alexa is nervous as is, and Icarus isn't oblivious.
>>20023126Get out.As for wat do, >>20022896.
>>20023126Knock it off, you're trying to do this all too soon.
I've been thinking, Team Beta are our guinea pigs for stuff that may or may not trigger the bug, right?Most logical choice for third member would be a Trap. I know Ica would probably prefer another girl (and so would the yuri goggles faction) but this is FOR SCIENCE.
>>20023309How about simply renaming Team Beta to Generic Fetish Team?
As you and Alexa go through your impromptu duet you notice two things. Firstly, while she has a most -lovely- contralto that sends all sorts of interesting shivers up your spine, she could -really- learn to keep herself in key. C sharp is not a note conductive to the key of F, bar certain circumstances that did not come up in your little song. Secondly, you notice that lathering that white foamy foam on to your skin leaves a most interesting feeling, that will be categorized near 'itch scratching' and be explored at a later, more private time.You find your big shirt outside the shower room, next to Alexa, who has dried herself off and put on a much more intricate garb involving belts and slacks and a very interestingly tight wifebeater. "Let's go get dinner.""Yeah..." you give the shirt a loathesome look, before reluctantly throwing it on. "Alexa, what is it with transhumes and clothes? They seem like a completely superfluous holdout from Old Terra culture when living environs were neither wholly safe nor wholly predictable. Why all this emphasis on them when they're unneccessary?"She leads on towards the Cafeteria. "Well, that's part of it," she replies. "There's also the fact that they keep... certain bits out of the way when you're working. And the whole 'fashion' thing that's a big part of our culture." The Elevator arrives at the cafeteria floor. "Plus, there's a certain sexual implication that nudity has that tends to make people... uncomfortable."Alexa goes over to one of the compilers, and pulls up a recipe for high density nutrient pasta that Firewall had developed for its agents. Ordering it made, she leans against the counter while she waits.>Wat do?
>>20023309Ehh, let's not take that chance. Also that really is pretty overtly fetishy.
>>20023309We already have info on traps, they work about 50% of the time, or 0% of the time if they're not young.I think we're gonna have the leader of the Dozen be the third member, IIRC.
>>20023309we're not doingtrapsmonster girlslolisvore flesh monsters>>20023378we want fruit. all the fruit.
>>20023309There was sound logic behind Icarus and Alexa. This is just fetish fuel.
>>20023378Try this new pasta Alexa got.
>>20023378Order a hamburger. Individuals our age consume a lot of those.
>>20023378Try the Firewall pasta, see what else that looks neat among what's available to us.
>>20023378"Why should sexual implications bother people? Sex feels good!"
rolled 1 = 1>>20023378maybe more singing lessons after the food!>>200234811 I vote for this, 2 I don't
>>20023418So you have no objections to the kemonomimi, then? It is fairly reasonable to expect them to already be fairly populous.>>20023481I'd change it to, "Sex feels good, right?"
rolled 2 = 2>>20023528>kemonomimithat counts under monster girls
>>20023329No, no, that's Team Gamma. It'll have a catgirl, and a maid cosplay, and a tsundere gunslinger.For wat do, eat nutritious pasta and delicious chocolate.
>>20023551You're boring. Stop being boring.
>>20023579I voted for fruit!T-that's exciting!
>>20023619Well, it IS a new experience, I can't argue that.
>>20023627[spoilerneeded]we can also feed her some in a totally innocent manner![/spoilerswhere]
You pop over to the compiler next to hers, making a note that matching her choice is probably the best thing you can do right now. Your body needs to refuel after that workout, and the extra nutrition ought to help you build up your strength. You also queue up a pair of apples - you have a feeling that the pasta is probably going to be rather bland, even with the MAX-VITAMIN TASTE-GOOD SAUCE that will be compiled atop it. You would have queued up a pair of chocolate bars, but the Firewall compiler doesn't have access to the openuse net and the delicious broblerones for some strange reason.A moment or two passes in silence, whilst you contemplate her answer to your question."Wait." The thought hits you."What?" she asks."Why would sexual implications bother or threaten people?" You ask. "I mean, it's a biological imperative, and noting the memesphere trends sexual innuendo has never ceased trending since the ReaDS began keeping records. It completely inundates your - our - culture, and yet people feel bothered by it?" You turn to her. "I mean, it's supposed to feel good, right? That's what orgasms are for..."A beep goes off, signifying the completion of the two apples. You pick one up in each hand.Alexa turns a bright red. "Well... yes. But... the act is when we feel most vulnerable, so I guess that sort of-" You stuff one of the apples in her mouth."I understand." You say. "It's complicated.">Wat do?
>>20023799> You stuff one of the apples in her mouth.9/10would laugh again
Come to think of it, I'm not sure if fruit's proteins would do well at the ~80C temperature in a replicator.
>>20023799Eat, and leave the complicated matters alone for the moment.
>>20023869I think the compiler compiles things at the appropriate temperature..
>>20023799Sit down, talk about each other. We haven't really gotten to know each other too much. Also: Suggest she get singing lessons. She's got a nice voice...be not enough training.
>>20023869The chocolate would come out all melted as well. I guess it's Sufficiently Advanced heatproof food.
>>20023799Sit down, continue eating, and just get to know her.After all, we're likely to die in our first combat sortie, or at least one of us is, so we may as well leave a memory of interactions behind.
>>20023869IT's only 176 F. And the temp is only 50ish anyways.>>20023921Chocolate lacks the hydrogen bonds that give the issues with compiling water based solids (ice-cream, ice, etc). A quick Endothermic Reaction can keep it in place, where as that doesn't work with water because its intermolecular forces are all wonky.Totally not BSing on the spot.
>>20024013Or, more specifically/well thought out, water's high specific heat makes the endothermic reactions lag in effect. There are some compiler recipe's that can make ice that use predictive algorithms on the motion of the water as it shifts in the microseconds it takes to freeze, but even these (which eat up a fuckton of memory) don't work 100% of the time.
>>20024013>Totally not BSing on the spot.It's funny because chocolate does contain hydrogen bonds, as does everything else containing fats.
>>20024013Here's my take on it: it's a very BRIEF heat flash. Food can take it just fine, it's like taking it outside on a really hot day, but for a weapon to be repeatedly subjected to brief heat stresses beyond the specifically-engineered chamber and barrel is just ASKING for combat failure.
>>20024096thus the double retcon to specific heat lag effect.chemistry was always my worst science fuck that noise.
>>20024082303k is 30c. That's just above room temperature, so it should be fine for most things. Chocolate would have definitely started melting after a while of that though, and we have been described as having to wait for a reasonable amount of time for stuff to compile.
If all opensouce recipes are unfindable: Use the copy of chocolate you saved in your glasses for dessert.If only Broblerone is gone: Look for other well-reviewed open chocolates and try them.>>20024073>>20024013>>20024099Sorry, I made everybody get their explanation hats on. They're pretty satisfying explanations though!
>>20024147I could have sworn I had converted it to 80 back then, but applying the rule of thumb to subtract 270, you're right. A recheck reveals I had translated to Fahrenheit and at some point since then, mixed it up for Celsius. Sorry bout that, everybody.
You and Alexa nom on your respective apples while the dreaded Super Nutrient Pasta finishes up its compilation process. You find the fruit to be quite delicious, and wonder what other sort of fruits you might enjoy - mother always found the concept of starfruit to be interesting, simply because of its interesting shape. You personally would like to give a lemople - a apple textured fruit that supposedly tastes like a lemon tamed with sugar cane - a try. For some reason, the old Terran banana also holds a strange attraction, you have no idea why.The apples are long since gone when the pasta is finished. You and Alexa walk over to the table. "You've got a great voice, Alexa," you say, gingerly avoiding the temptation to bring up complicated fun things."Nah, that's the morph." She takes her first bite of the... greenish noodles. They don't look particularly appetizing, even without being liberally slathered in that gray sauce. "I'm like my brother - I can't carry a tune in a bucket. Give us a Stradivarius, and either of us would probably end up sounding like nails on a chalk board. You've got some talent, though."You toy around with the pasta, suprised at the gusto with which your friend goes at it. Perhaps its an acquired taste she picked up from her brother? "I'm sure with lessons you'd be able to pick it up in no time!"She gives you a small little smile. "Maybe.">Field too long
>>20024401You take your first bite, which is immediately followedd by a good thing and a bad thing. The Good thing is that your friend, who had finished her plate and was now rubbing her stomach contentedly, doesn't notice that you spit it out in contempt and disgust - that shit's worse than the open bolognese, and it doesn't even taste like -FREEDOM-. The bad news is that the reason why your friend doesn't notice is that the base's alarm klaxons are blaring, warning all personel to go to combat stations, and that the Hangar was to be locked down and flooded in thirty seconds."Well, we're all the personel..." Alexa mutters.>Wat do?
>>20024406Get the heck to combat stations. We may be a hedonistic little AI but we are going to do our job.
>>20024406Combat stations means get ready to fight, right? So that means find our armor and weapons and get suited up!
>>20023421>>20023329>>20023386WTF, that's not what I meant. Just thought it would be cool to diversify a little...I guess you really might object based on in-character morality, but it wasn't intended to be sexual in any way... (it's not even my fetish, really)
>>20024406Welp, to stations, then. Get armed and armored once again. Find out what the frak is going on.
>>20024406This is not good; our projections said we still had a week before the first scout swarms arrived.Better get our flightsuit on, and have our ARGlasses connect to the base network to find out what caused the alert.
>>20024469>I just want to suck a trap's dick. I'm totally straight, though.Also, the implication that trap = DIVERSITY! is a worrying one.
Get dressed. Go to combat stations.Be the Daedalus. Find out WTF is going on.
>>20024406Use glasses to find out what happened while we go grab our suit.
>>20024469Well, given the setting, if a boy really wanted to be a girl, he could get resleeved into a girl's body, so pretty much the only reason (that I can think of) to go about in girl's clothing, is for perversity.
>>20024515Cool trolling, bro. WHO ARE YOU QUOTING?Also, adding something new = DIVERSITY; adding more of the same = NOT DIVERSITY.
>>20024651we're not doingtrapsmonster girlslolisvore flesh monsters"x ears and tail" girls>>20024477dis
>>20024711You are not all of us. Stop it.
>>20024569Also, send a message to Mom while we do that. "By the way, the Super Nutrient Pasta is TERRIBLE!"
>>20024711You mean >>20024457 I deleted the double post.
"What the hell are our battle stations, anyways?" you ask Alexa. A servitor-bot is already there with her carapace, her powered armor being towed slowly behind by little swarm of them, much like a group of ants towing a large acorn. Your flight suit has also materialized next to you, fresh and clean and ready to don in the (un)fortunately less interesting manner of equipping it. You throw off your shirt and slip into it. "Mother's memories don't have anything of the sort planned out - she was going to leave that to the Firewall people.""Dunno," she says as she slips into the thing. "Base server doesn't have them in the protocols yet - not suprising, given that we're not even supposed to be online until tomorrow." The chest piece of the Vaguard Armor opens up. "Best thing we can do is get over to the Hangar ASAP and hope to all the Gods and minor deities that this is a malfunction." She storms off to the stairway, cracking the floor a bit as she goes."Right," you say, zooming through the air behind her. Your glad you managed to get that function of the suit down.-Three minutes until hangar lockdown and flooding...-Wait that's odd. Why is it -more- than it had- oh fuck that can't be good.When you arrive at the hangar, there are no spiders made of tiny mechas, nor any cloud of delta shaped machines, waiting for food. It is empty, but for a few submarines and suits of pressurized powered armor, meant for exploring the grand depths around the base. It is a floor unto its own, perhaps the biggest room in the base - you'd -love- to try flying out in here, if only because it would feel just like the open air. The only thing out of place is a girl's voice, which suspiciously sounds your age."THAT POT SMOKING SONUVABITCH!">Wat do?
>>20024711Look, if some of the girls that we picked up have body mods or body lines from MimiMODE or some trending accessories from Face Consortium, we're not going to force them to get rid of them.That's like telling Reimu to get rid of her blue hair mod.
>>20024793Let the hangar lock down, but suspend the flood command. Investigate the apparent angry girl.
>>20024793Find origin of voice. Slap it if it's the cause of the alarm.
>>20024793Connect to base systems, have them do a thermal scan of the hangar, and look for any intruders.Multitask and request update from Mother about the situation.
Find the intruder. Grab them.
>>20024743Well, he's completely right, except for the last one, which we are going to only have a few of, in the manner >>20024830 says.Also do >>20024860.
>>20024930Actually, the 'loli' entry doesn't make sense, either.We're specifically recruiting young girls for Operation Mahou Shoujo, because they're the only ones that trigger the IFF bug in the Vonnies. Getting lolis is the fucking point.
"Base," Alexa commands, "I want a thermal scan of the Hangar -now-."A display comes up on your Kinect Specs, the entirety of the Hangar in hues of blue, green, orange and yellow. There are two bright points that you suppose are you and Alexa, given the fact that one of them is extraordinarily bright and extraordinarily huge. There is another heat signature a few meters ahead of you, seemingly typing away at a virtual keyboard. That's probably the girl who has just screamed out about a 'pot smoking sonuvabitch.'-Mom- you send over to your mother. -What the heck is going on? There's an intruder in the Beta Site.-Don't worry dear.- Her response is brief and swift. -Ah, my boss just decided to inform me of what he did. That's your third squadmate for Beta Site's squad. If she hasn't already, do try to mak sure she doesn't get drowned...-At that particular moment, the base's system goes off. -Code Green. Return to noncombat stations.-You decide that it would probably be better to make sure whoever this chick is isn't a threat to the base. You slowly, silently float over to her, though your attempt at subtlety is ruined by Alexa's rather loud following. The girl looks up from what must have been a virtual data stream on her Arglasses."H-hello?" you half greet, half ask."Oh no." she says. She holds her throat, as though just realizing the pitch of her voice again. "Oh fucking hell no. No, no, no, that did -not- just happen." She reaches under her skirt to feel around, and you blush now with the knowledge of how improprietary that is. She stops, removing her hand and staring at it in disbelief. "Oh -fuck my life-. That -did- just happen.">Wat do?
>>20025058Introduce ourselves. Inform them that they are the third member of our team.
>>20025058"Umm....I'm Icarus. This is Alexa. Mother said that you're the new member of Beta Team?"
>>20025094This covers it.
>>20025058Hi, I'm Icarus, this is Alexa and you must be the third member of this team. What's your name?Judging from how you're groping yourself this body must be new for you. Would you like some chocolate?
>>20025058"So, uh, who're you?"Once introductions have been made, it's time for New Friend glomp
>>20025058I really hope this isn't what I think it is.
>>20025058What didn't happen?MYSTERY.So, she's obviously not in the right body. The question is what kind of mind she is. I just hope she wasn't a human girl to begin with.
>>20025156Looks like Rick dumped theTRUTHisoutthere in a brand spanking new female body (wonder if it's a Saber).Of course, by their reaction, they self-identify as male, which means that he'll probably have a 50% chance of triggering the IFF bug, and so is likely to die horribly.
>>20025156It probably is. I'm guessing Rick found out about whoever was behind "thetruthisoutthere" and tossed them in a little girl morph for amusement purposes and to test the IFF stuff.
>>20025156If it is, we're sending her back.
>>20025182Yeah...if that's the actual person, not someone BASED on that person...then it would be unethical to toss them at the bugs. Icarus and Alexis are at least the 'Daughter' and 'Sister' of people.
"Welcome to the team! Looks like you just got drafted!"
>>20025187Well, of course it's thetruthisoutthere. That's what the pictures are called. What we're speculating about is much worse.
>>20025182We don't know how old this dude thinks. 50% chance is for young boys, the older guys get 100% death chance even in female bodies.He doesn't seem to have had any personality altering and I suspect he's an infomorph and not human as well. This really seems like a bad idea.
>>20025182I think she's a Misaka.
"Ummm..." You aren't quite sure what to say to the girl, but since you're going to be working together you figure the best place to start would be the introductions. "I'm Icarus, this is Alexa." Alexa, to her credit, waves at the newcomer, though her grenade laucher is still trained on her. "Mother said that you're going to be the new member of Beta Team?"The girl's face breaks, a disbelieving smil matched with the uncontrolled twitching of her eye. "That's right!" The holographic image of the most chill and relaxed man you have ever laid eyes upon steps out from behind a sub. "Truthy, dear, meet the girls you'll be joining for the duration of Operation Mahou Shoujo. And next time you play around on the Omnitube, do try to remember that the only people who are authorized to know about the operation are its members.""D-dear?" She says. "You fucked with my state-vector? YOU FUCKED WITH MY STATE VECTOR? YOU SONUVA-""Yep!" He grins. "And removed a few things you weren't meant to know." He sighs. "Next time, don't leave such obvious alling cards. Polymeric Falcighol Derivation -indeed-." He pulls out a blunt, and lights it. "Just be glad I switched you sober, sistah. Else your memories wouldn't be meshing so clean. Have fun being the little girl in both body -and- mind!" He tosses a thumbs up to you and Alexa. "You sistahs, I'm hoping you will be the treating my baby sis with the niceness. She's a good girl, even if she does the acting up on occasion."He then vanishes."So..." you begin. "Truthy was it? Welcome to the team."The other girl resists the urge to slam her head against the wall. "No, it's...">Choose name.>What do?
>>20025333Veritas, that's a good name.Give Veritas a hug, offer her a mug of hot chocolate. Don't pry or anything, we might not be that good at this sort of thing but we can tell she's having a rough day.
>>20025333Fuck it, I vote Misaka.Also, flying new friend glomp.
"So, are you Sober Rick or High Rick?"
>>20025333AletheiaGoddess of Truth, Daughter of Zeus iirc.
>>20025384>>20025382Nevermind, Veritas is better
>>20025333Last Order. Nickname is Imouto.
>>20025333>>20025382Veritas, obviously. Goddess of truth.
>>20025333Oh god, he really mindraped someone into a girl, stuffed her into a body and conscripted her. That's... completely abhorrent. And not how you get loyal and enthusiastic soldiers.No but really, does he not have an ethical subroutine? Fucking with someone's state vector seems like pretty much the worst crime you could possibly commit in this world.
>>20025413...I think he mindraped HIMSELF to do it.
>>20025413She called him "Bro," so she's obviously one of his forks. But is she Sober Rick, or Stoner Rick?
>>20025333Name: VeritasIcarus Hug."Oh, so you're a modified infomorph too? Have you been sleaved in a biomorph body before? What are some good foods to try? What tastes good? Do you want some chocolate?"
>>20025424Rick sobered her up, so Stoner?
>>20025413It was either that or kill her for knowing classified information which could lead to mass panic and death on a genocidal scale.
>>20025382Veritas does seem pretty much perfect.And yeah, offer to help her adjust. Though...admittedly, Icarus is still adjusting too, so who knows how much help she'll be.>>20025413Yeeeeeup, that's about as fucked up as it gets. Though it sounds like she started life as a fork of Rick.
>>20025430I support Icarus hug. Then we should get her to the armory so we can get her EQUIPMENT.
>>20025424>She called him "Bro," so she's obviously one of his forks.What difference does that make? They're still different people and it was obviously against her will.>>20025439We're releasing that information in a press release in a few hours. He could just imprison her and shut of her net access until then.Presumably the justice system has proper punishments for this sort of thing, anyway.
>>20025424Or is that the result of fucking with her state vector?
>>20025496There's the whole 'working with the Vonnies' thing.As it is, Godzilla Threshold. Anything and everything short of Gray Goo is authorized. Technically we could draft every single girl on the planet if we needed to, rather than simply asking for volunteers. Those escape ships aren't going to be done for four months, after all; if they want to live they'll have to help fight.
More importantly - what color should this new person be on the character sheet?
>>20025496>this sort of thingYou mean espionage? Or high treason?
>>20025437I read that as him having changed her while he was sober, so who knows.Anyway, we should probably show Veritas the magic video soon. She probably left something for herself.
>>20025496We're releasing that info when we need to. Which shouldn't be till we've had an encounter with the advanced forces.
>>20025538Maybe a light tan?
>>20025520She didn't called him bro though. He called her sis.>>20025551Whatever the legal system says she's guilty of, she should have the prescribed punishment. I don't know what exactly that is because the laws don't actually exist. I'm pretty sure none of the prescribed punishments are 'mind-rape them into a good person' because this is not a dystopian setting.>>20025555Eh, someone said it was this evening earlier. I don't care, he could have done it for however long.>>20025593Not a dark color, the black text would be hard to read and different colored text would stand out and look silly. We just had that problem with the red.
"No, it used to be Rick," she says. "But given that Rick just fucking mindraped a more libertarian part of himself into me, I guess that means a new name is in order." She closes her eyes, and rubs her temples as though she has a massive headache. "The truth -is- out there. So I suppose that Veritas is as eloquent a name as any.""Ve-ri-tas," you roll the name around your tongue. It is much more like your own than Alexas - the same number of syllables, the similar sounds. "Are you a modified infomorph as well?"She nods. Her look glazes over, the realization of what (s?)he had done to herself only now hitting her as she said it. "Oh!" your eyes light up. She isn't exploring her new body with the same vigor you were at her stage, so you decide it can't hurt to ask. "Have you ever been sleeved in a biomorph before? What sort of foods are good - I've only had a chance to try apples and bolognese and chocolate and nutripasta. The chocolate was the best by far, though the apples were good too."She's now crying. Her voice is small. "Gods -damnit- me..."You aren't quite sure how to react. So you run with the first impulse that jumps to your mind and hug her. Over her shoulder, you motion with your head for Alexa to join in. She gives you a look, but shrugs, her power armor sauntering over and taking the two of you in a bear hug."I know the situation is... less than ideal," you tell her. "But we're a team now, and from what I know, Teams stick together. Alexa and I are here for you, if you need us." Alexa mouths 'speak for yourself', and this time it is your turn to give -her- the look. She promptly shakes her head and grins.At least there's a bright side to this - you may well be geting a hang of this whole 'social interaction' thing!>Wat do?
>>20025782"So you were the Stoner Rick? I found a really nice chocolate recipe that should cheer you right up!"
>>20025696Actually, "Mind Rape Them Into A Good Person" is the equivalent to capital punishment in setting. It's rarely followed through with - mostly the cortical stacks are kept on a prison server, but it does happen every now and again.(Admittedly, this has a lot to do with my personal opinions of right and wrong, which are quite elegant but cannot fit within this thread.)
>>20025782Continue the hug for a bit longer. Lead Veritas to the kitchen, whip up some cocoa, which ought to be great it's liquid chocolate from what we've heard, take off this restrictive and annoying armor and ask is Veritas needs anything, if there's anything we can do to help.>>20025862I'd say no to the THC, this doesn't exactly seem like the right time for it.
>>20025782"Would you like something to eat?"
>>20025782Let's go to the cafeteria and get some chocolate, maybe some hot cocoa (and read the reviews this time). We've read that chocolate helps when a biomorph is in emotional distress.
>>20025917Yeah. Hot Chocolate and a hug. Let her regain her composure.
Yeah, if you've got an AI, it's easy to imprison it. Rick is just a dick that is also possibly evil.Leave her be, be Minaka.
>>20025881You're completely changing who they are. Killing off the old them and putting some person you designed in their place. The old fashioned capital punishment is more moral in my opinion.
>>20026014So it's more moral to simply kill them, and not get a productive member of society in return?
>>20025881Changing who someone is involuntarily is even worse than killing someone. At least give them the choice between permadeath and reprogramming.
>>20026050Yes. If you want to create a productive member of society, create one from scratch. We can do that.The new person's still different from the old person, but it doesn't leave the new person with hang-ups from the old life and completely violate the concept of free will.
>>20026111>>20026108so it's agreed, we just kill this unreliable infomorph and make another fork of Mom?Because I don't want crazies on the team.
>>20026050Yeah. Everyone deserves the choice to be good or evil. If they chose evil, society has the right to punish them for their choice, but not to make the choice for them. At least, not without consent.
>>20026129I think giving Icarus a sister might be a little too much.
>>20026129No, we don't kill Veritas.We need more data points to see if modified infomorphs trigger the IFF bug or not.We can't just depend on 1 data point (Icarus) for our entire production line of DOLLs.
>>20026153Well, Alex isn't going to give us another one. We're gonna have to make forks for the DOLLs anyway.>>20026174Argreed. Let's make forks of Mom instead of taking in the crazy. Then we can feed to Veritas to the Cthulhu!
>>20026129Now she's changed, there's no reason to kill her unless she wants to die. I think we should offer her the choice to back out though. If she wants to do it then fine, but forcing her is not going to help anything, no matter what Rick thinks.
>>20026129>let's kill the victimNo. Though Rick might've purposely botched the job to cover his tracks when the Vonnie eat her, so maybe using her as an investigator would be good.
>>20026129What? No. That's not better in any way.
>>20026215>Now she's changed, there's no reason to kill her unless she wants to dieThen the original theTRUTH was executed, and his remaining algorithms used to create this new State Vector.How is that different from executing a person, and then using the body because it's still useful to society?
>>20026215(S)he'd have to be mind wiped again.>>20026224"victim" is a kind term for someone who's basically committed what could be construed as treason. I don't want them around just because they've already proven unreliable and of poor judgement.
>>20026258>Implying a few words from Rick give you insight on anything that he's done.For all you know he's theTRUTH, and he's spun off an indignant pubescent female himself to do the sweet and trippy wheels within the wheels. You've gotta go deeper than the surface, broseph!
>>20026288It's questionable how much of the 'Same Person' they are.Instead of Debating about this endlessly, I'm just going to go: Treat Veritas fairly, kindly and give her a chance...no matter what she did...she's pretty traumatized now.That's my side of it at least.Also: We NEED to tell our Mum about this. She's not going to be happy at all.
>>20026258The original truth didn't have a body, and bodies are mass-produced in factories anyway.Why would you use the remaining algorithms when you could just write better ones? It just leaves the new truth hating herself and crying right now. It's just meaningless cruelty.>>20026288We could keep her on the project as the one who serves tea or something, until this crisis is over. Rick said she'd be fine knowing about it if she was on the project.
>>20026322Or not play someone else's game.>>20026332I doubt mother will be happy yeah.
>>20026332>We NEED to tell our Mum about thisMom already knows. She said so.>>20026341>Why would you use the remaining algorithmsBecause we need to test different infomorph algorithms to see if they trigger the IFF bug.
>>20026332>Treat Veritas fairly, kindly and give her a chance...no matter what she did...she's pretty traumatized now.All the freakin' way. And telling Mom on Rick.And let's be Veritas.
>>20026368No we fucking don't. Why would we need to test this? So we can start doing it lots more if it works out? What would be the reason for that?
>>20026368Mother knows about there being a new member, maybe knows about it being TheTruth. Not certainly knows about it being based on rick and likely doesn't know that currently she's crying her eyes out and traumatized.
>>20026368She knows that Veritas is the third member of Beta, provided by Rick. She likely doesn't know what Veritas just told us.
>>20026393Because if the IFF bug is triggered by Veritas, and NOT Icarus or Alex, then we need to identify what caused the bug to be triggered. Same with if Veritas doesn't trigger the bug but Icarus does; we need to compare the EEG's on both and see what's different. We need to know that the Dummy Plug System is going to work.
For wat do: >>20026368>>20026368See >>20026393.
>>20026341>We could keep her on the project as the one who serves tea or something, until this crisis is over. Rick said she'd be fine knowing about it if she was on the project.I like this.
>>20026445Oh, cool. Well if we need to do mind-rape we should do physical rape as well and see if the emotional trauma effects the IFF. And we could also try putting two minds in the same body to constantly fight over every action! Two little girls, a little girl and a guy, a little girl and and infomorph...Anything to make a back-up system which we might not even use more effective.
>>20026445It'd be much easier to do that with a test subject we've made.the plans for the users of the Dummy Plug system were like this, progressing downwards as the bug fails to trigger.AI Forks: IcarusHuman forks: Alexa (still need a girl fork and a women fork)"Original" human minds: None as of yet.Cannon fodder>>20026516I'd rather not keep someone around just to taunt them. Mindwipe vote from me if we're not using them.
>>20026589Or we could just give her the choice whether she'd rather have her mind fucked with again or do menial work for a couple of months.
>>20026634Hot cocoa, all around. Maybe another go at some food.
>Last post for the night.Alexa carries the two of you back up the stairs to the cafeteria, somewhat awkwardly, given the manner that her arms are carrying you and the new girl. While the other girl's tears begin to cease in a bout of hiccups and sniffles, you decide that you ought to inform your mother.-Mother, I have a question,- you send over her way. -Does, ah, Rick have any ethics protocols written atop his code. Because our new member seems to be taking the whole 'no longer a male engendered infomorph' thing rather poorly.--Yes, I'd imagine- your mother responds. You can almost read the deadpan. -But at least it's proof of concept for that "girlception" scheme of his. Even if he is only able to get past the 'don't be evil' clause by doing it to himself while stoned out of his mind.--Wat.--Long story short.- she says. -Turn male or none engendered infomorphs to female engendered infomorphs without creating incompatibility errors with their old memories - like a resleeving but for gender instead of body.- She pauses for a moment. -That particular fork of his was high out his mind when he came up with the idea. But if she works, it'll ease the experience gap for the DOLLS program by quite a bit.--Yeah, well,- you say -She's as traumatized as he was high.- You pat down the poor girl. -Possibly more so.--I'll chew him out.- She reassures you. -But, given that he's pretty much untouchable, I can't guarantee anything more than reploss. You have some of my memories, you know how he can get..."You arrive in the cafeteria.>Wat do?
>>20026634Time to show our Hedonism Bot true natures! Bloblerone time!
>>20026674>>20026663Sorry, had a typo that made one of the sentences not make sense at all
>>20026674Lol so funny she hedons and doesn't afraid of anything rofl
>>20026671Do >>20026663, then some chocolate, the one we stored in our ARglasses, that we don't know Mom's swapped out yet.
>>20026671Toss off the silly clothing.Initiate Hot Cocoa protocols and have us all drink some while cuddled up together under some blankets on a soft couch. Us and Alexa on either side of Vertias, make her feel cared for.
>>20026585Now you're just exaggerating to cases that are obviously flawed.And yes, anything to ensure the survival of the people on Harper's Reach and of the rest of Transhuman Space until Project Riposte is completed.
>>20026709Lets NOT Traumatize her more. Making her comfortable > Us being comfortable.Hot chocolate, couch yes. Hold her until she feels better.No on anything more hedonistic.
>>20026585The opposite would be more efficient. One mind operating two bodies in tandem would make tactical insurgencies highly effective.
>>20026769We can at least shuck the armor, and put our shirt back on..
>>20026769But... but... but...Hedonism!
>>20026671Order up some hot cocoa.Sit down and drink.
>>20026787Comforting overrules Hedonism. OUR Morality is well coded, even if Rick's isn't.
>>20026779You're seriously considering it? For fuck's sake.
>>20026725They're going to survive anyway, in the worst case scenario we can evacuate them all.Yes those cases are obviously flawed, as is the Veritas case. That's what I'm fucking saying. Mind-rape is worse than physical rape and the mental trauma might do something to the IFF because it would make her mentally 'older'. Why aren't you trying that? Because it's morally wrong and stupid, just like what Rick did.
>>20026769Well we can't very well cuddle when Alexa is wearing powered armor and we have our flight suit on. If you really insist we can throw the shirt back on, but I really don't see the point.
>>20026811No, I'm saying it's an illogical procedure. Two minds in one body would cause strife as one tries to become the "dominant" one in a Tyler Durden scenario, whereas one mind in two bodies allows an individual(s?) the ability to be in two places at once, which is not only strategically viable, but would allow for flawless synchronization of stealth ops. Think the game Commando: Behind Enemy Lines or Splinter Cell's co-op mode if you were controlling all available characters simultaneously. If you WERE to put multiple identities in one body, it'd be better to cram as many in there as possible, forcing them to form a hive mind gestalt, as any one personality would have trouble dominating all of the others into submission.So in summary, two minds in one body is simultaneously four too many and dozens too few.
>>20026848So you would sacrifice an entire planet, all of the resources that it contains, just to salve your conscience?The Veritas case isn't flawed, as she can still provide a useful data point. And if trauma is going to invalidate a girl's IFF bug-triggering ability, then that's also important to know, so that we don't have cascading failures in the field when the other teams are brought online. Girl A fights one too many battles, gets 'older', is killed by Vonnies, which causes trauma in the Girls B and C, which gets them killed. And then it would spread throughout the entire base.
>>20027057While a trauma test is a valid concern, Truth is not a valid test of that due to the forced gender conversion.If she fails to trigger said bug it could now be the trauma OR a failed conversion.
>>20027057I mostly agree with the other guy, but you do have a point about the trauma.
>>20027167a failed conversion on two counts even, AI to human and male to female.Truth is a useless test subject.
>>20027057Yes, I'm would be willing to take the risk of sacrificing the planet to salve my conscience. I think we could still win if Veritas had never existed and if we didn't it's not like there's a shortage of planets in the universe. Humanity has spread massively and these vonnies are our first alien contact.Luckily for you I guess it's not on my concience, it's on Rick's, but I'm definitely going to vote against raping a little girl to test the effects of mental trauma if you're starting to think that's a good idea.
>>20027186On the other hand, Icarus and Alexa are perfect subjects. One is an unaltered female fork of a female AI and the other is a test of Adult male forking usefulness. Both have "standard" human bodies, are the right (mental)age, and have no ongoing mental trauma.
>>20027273Strictly speaking, they're both altered to match the patterns of a ~15 year old girl.
>>20027273>One is an unaltered female fork of a female AI and the other is a test of Adult male forking usefulness'Unaltered'?Both of them have had their State Vectors massively altered in order to for their brain scans to read similar to that of a 15 year old human girl. They aren't the same people as their originals, no less than Veritas is.
>>20027351Though Veritas is closer to her original, I'd say. Based on what's been said, if I didn't misunderstand it.
>>20027310 Well, Icarus was "birthed" as a young girl. Thus the unaltered fork bit. She was created as a young girl, not made as a direct clone then altered.Alexa is indeed a test of whether altering Adult male patterns to young girls will be useful.>>20027351 Well, Icarus was "birthed" as a young girl. Thus the unaltered fork bit. She was created as a young girl, not made as a direct clone then altered.Alexa is indeed a test of whether altering Adult male patterns to young girls will be useful.
>>20027363Veritas was a male fork, scrambled to remove information, and then gender altered to female. Which may have traumatized her/it/him.Truth is a terrible test subject
>>20027370>She was created as a young girl, not made as a direct clone then altered.She was forked, then modified. http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/19923674#19925570>Because you're a non-uploaded infomorph engendered to be a woman, I'd say sure, considering the recent 'birth' of the fork.
>>20027427Unless you're going for a stress test. Seeing just how far you can push these things before they crack irreparably could prove invaluable if you're talking about sending them to war.
One of the marks of good writing is emotional investment. You care about the characters, and what they go through enough that they become more than just a character, but something you actually care about.I think maybe people here wouldn't be arguing quite so hard as they are if they weren't somehow invested in the characters.Either in Veritas for going through something traumatic, or in Icarus for wanting to help someone and not knowing quite what to do.
>>20027522Or perhaps it's even simpler than that, and some people are outraged and the thought of a little girl being hurt, while others don't think of her as an actual little girl.Not that I mean to dispute that this is good writing.
>>20027522Not that hard to get people emotionally invested in lesbian little girls getting tortured.
>>20027427I'm not particularly saying she is, but she is what we have, and we've been told to use her by our boss(mom)'s boss. I don't think we really have much choice.
>>20027540I'd say it's a little of both. Like I said in the IRC, you know you're doing something right when a verbal fistfight over AI rights breaks out solely because of your game.
>>20027474Hm. did READS actually create the fork before those comments were made?I'd say we need his judgement on whether he considered that Icarus is altered or not. If so we need another fork.
>>20027514No useful stresses have been applied to Truth. Combat pressure, civilian deaths, and mission failures would be useful.Mindrape is not.
>>20027590>solely because of your gameLet's not get too big headed here. People on 4chan love to argue. I've seen a post about a French guy getting assaulted at McDonald's for wearing funny eyegear turn into a 500 post argument about the nature and viability of Transhumanism.
>>20027647I saw that thread. Funny as fuck.Granted, he had a machine eye which added some credit to the argument. That and the french guy tried to pull it out of his head or something of the ilk.
>>20027664Regardless, it wasn't because the French dude's plight "moved" anyone, it's just because 4chan was made for yelling at each other about stuff over the internet and occasionally pretending to be the little AI girl.
>>20027647I am familiar with the thread in question, as it happens. It was more complicated than that, and there were at least a couple agents provocateur, but I take your point.It's still a Doing Something Right moment.
>>20027684I believe the robot eye guy was an American.
>>20027717I thought he was british
>>20027647For one, the guy with the implant is Canadian.Two, that's an actual fucking implant; tearing it out means neurological damage.Fuck those Frenchies. I want to see them get their eyes torn out.
>>20027645We have no idea what will happen in the face of the enemy, and mindrape is a possibility. Besides, it's not so much about seeing what would happen in a combat scenario, but rather what will happen to the construct simply via emotional trauma overload. Will it degrade into nothingness? Crack and fracture into multiple constructs? Override its code? This is all valuable information and probably the most useful Veritas can ever be in its current condition. May as well squeeze some lemonade out of this lime before we cast it aside.
>>20027732I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees the Frenchies were out of line. As I recall, the original argument was on whether or not it qualified as a hate crime.
>>20027732>>20027727>>20027717the important thing is he's from the anglosphere. We must our feel outrage for our fellow anglo-brothers.>>20027742s/he's no longer an "AI." s/he's in a 100% organic body. It's a constructed human mind. It can't "overwrite code." Human psychology applies, not some strange mismash of programming and something.
>>20027805well, aside from the implants for stack retrievali need to go to sleep
>>20027805While I agree with the overall sentiment, whether or not she's an AI depends on your criteria for AI. She's no longer purely electronic, true, but she was still created rather than developing naturally.
>>20028014yes, but s/he can't going in and rewrite her "databases" like s/he's a program. s/he's currently a "human" mind.
>>20027742In my opinion, once she gets over being a girl and channels her rage into determination, Veritas will be just as stable as, say, Icarus.Also you're really freakin' creepy for that speculation.
>>20027805It's mental and emotional development is far from standard human protocol and every avenue of said development will have to be explored sooner or later. You can have one really unhappy girl doll now or a whole lot of dead ones later, it's your choice.
>>20028056Yes, I agree, and I meant to say as much. Functionally, she is human. I'm sorry if that was unclear.That said, she is still strictly speaking an AI. Just because she's wetware doesn't change that.
>>20028056Well yes, until her State Vector is uploaded again, edited, and then resleaved. Since the State Vector is also in the Cortical Stack, doing an on-the-fly State Vector edit might even be possible.
>>20028106And isn't that a creepy thought.
>>20028065A beserker is just as unstable as a rape victim, not exactly something you'd hinge the survival of humanity on. >Also you're really freakin' creepy for that speculation.I'm not arguing from the perspective of your average joe, I'm arguing from a pragmatist's perspective. Military officials looking to save the human race aren't exactly afforded the luxury of human decency. Someone's gotta drop the bomb on Hiroshima, and someone's gotta torture the little girl to see what happens.>>20028106See, there you go. We now have an otherwise useless construct upon which to test these theories, that's something worth utilizing.
>>20028066AIs in human bodies is hardly a new science. READs has talked about them before. I doubt we're going to have huge psychological problems that we won't understand.I've already laid out how I want to test the DOLLs system. If Icarus has been altered we only have one valid test case currently, if not two.>>20028106Letting the state vector be edited would be silly. We're not going to let the AIs upload until we can test. Giving them bodies that could edit themselves would also be silly.
>>20028161We are perfectly capable of saving Harper's Reach with just human girls. The DPS is only a last resort.>>20028165I don't see how being altered or not enters into it. As I see it, the only thing that matters is the way she is currently. For example, even if Icarus was altered from a copy of Daedalus to her current state, a vonnie should react the same way to her that it would to a being created to be exactly like her.
>>20028382>>20028382We have no idea how they target things. The only two data points we have are age(less then a certain age) and gender. They seem to use EEG reads and the like, but that may not be all.If Icarus is a altered copy of Daedalus(who know's how old she'd read as unaltered) the alterations may not be complete enough to trigger the IFF, if AI forks in human bodies even trigger said bug.See the problem? There are two points of failure there, the alterations and the being an AI tranfered into a human body. Having an unaltered fork let's us test one variable at a time.
>>20028508by "unaltered" fork I mean a fork created with the appropriate characteristics of a young girl's mind instead of being downgraded like Icarus may have been.
I warned you about Rick. I TOLD YOU BRO!No seriously. When the Rick vs Truth thing first came up, I said not to trust either of them.I think this proves my point.And even if mindrape is the setting's equivalent of capital punishment, and regarded appropriate for high treason, our kind boss just did it WITHOUT DUE FUCKING PROCESS.
>>20028546I see what you're saying. I think the reason we disagree is that you think there's been 'extra room', a different mind layout, or the like left in Icarus by her downgrading. If so, that is a definite probability. I was assuming we had altered her to be exactly like an AI created from the ground up to be girlish. If that is the case, do you agree that alteration would be neglible?
>>20028508And with such a botched sample, we may as well see how deep the rabbit hole goes. Maybe let Icarus rehabilitate it a bit and then force some other trauma on it, see how it reacts, allow for an interim of rehabilitation, and then repeat the cycle with new variables such as a shorter rehabilitation duration this time or perhaps lead her to suspect Icarus is feeding us info to make this easier(which she sort of is seeing as her first reaction was to spill the beans to mommy). It's little more than a salvage op at this point, but it's better than using it as some sniffling tea maid.
>>20028549technically, we don't know the due process for AI "forks">>20028628Something like those possibilities yes.... I don't want to say any alteration would be negligible until we have more information on the nanites. Doing it the way you said would bring her almost in line with the test case I want to do. But we didn't roll a perfect "20" when making her and something could have been left behind.I do feel paranoid typing that out though.
>>20028639Man, what the fuck?
>>20028779I just don't know how to respond to him anymore
>>20028785Seriously.Oh well, I'm goin' to bed. I'm too tired for this shit.
>>20028639Jesus Horatio Christ, are you a sociopath or do you just play one on /tg/?
>>20028639But that's morally reprehensible on multiple levels.
>>20028795>>20028797...I think someone removed his morality programming...Yeah...I'm against that sort of decision myself.
>>20028779>>20028795Would you rather waste valuable military funds forming a nursery care service that's useless in a combat scenario?>>20028797No more than torturing oneself is. Hell, even if we get nothing out of Veritas, Icarus' reaction alone to the Veritas Situation we orchestrate could prove awfully valuable.
>>20028855Honestly wasting Icarus'(and by extension Alexa's) time caring for Truth when they could be training is silly. Just transfer Truth's care to people qualified for it and move on.
>>20028855I'd rather we put some effort into a stable emotional person, not 'See how torture affects the team'Because your suggestion is to basically emotionally torture people to 'See what happens'I'm pretty sure that's a war crime. Just because we are AT Godzilla threshold doesn't mean we should use our powers because 'We might not get anther chance to see what happens'
>>20028855I'd rather we not resort to the same sort of tactics the Nazis did, you freak. We abide by the geneva conventions on /tg/.
>>20028907would a treasonous AI fork count as a uniformed soldier?
>>20028794I stopped reading a while ago.
>>20028907Lets not bring Nazi's into this...lets just stick with 'Holy SHIT man, what the fuck!?'
>>20028933Only if it counts as a sentient being. Which I'm fairly certain it does.
>>20028855Dude, you're fucking about, skimming the Moral Event Horizon. The shit you're talking about is the kind of thing Doc Mengle had wet dreams about.
>>20028945While I do agree that the Nazis in general should be left out of it, Doc Mengle in specific is VERY relevant.
>>20028933It would likely count as a criminal, not part of a war. I don't know if they still have execution here for criminals...but they DO have rights.
>>20028945I didn't bring Nazi's into this because they're a moral low point, I did it because they actually aspired to do some of this shit.
>>20029011Well, yeah. That's mainly because his thing wasn't 'Evil Science' it was 'I don't have a hypothesis, I'm just seeing what happens if I <Insert Crime Against Humanity Here>'
>>20028898But why? There's really nothing to be gained from keeping Veritas around. If we're not going to experiment, we may as well execute.>>20028900And of what use to us is a slightly emotionally stable noncom who tried to leak valuable information and may do so again if given the chance? At the very least, execution should be considered.>>20028907Geneva conventions are reserved for people. Seeing as a guy just got away with "executing" himself, I'm sure we've got some leeway and loopholes to work with.>>20028985Maybe I should take up the name Godwin with the amount of times I've been called a Nazi. Do you honestly believe people WOULDN'T experiment on "get out of moral conundrum free" humans? Shit, not too long ago we were making babies piss themselves at the sight of a bunny just to see what happpens
>>20029020Well, depending on if we could strip it of citizenship because of the treason charge it could have no rights.That's even if was a "legal" fork. Icarus is technically not a citizen due to her illegal creation. Is Truth also a alpha fork?
>>20029043>Do you honestly believeYES! I DO!>>20029043>with the amount of times I've been called a NaziHave you ever considered maybe there's a reason for that? Such as, you appear to share their complete disregard of the sanctity of life to such a degree that it shocks and horrifies your peers?
>>20029043>Do you honestly believe people WOULDN'T experiment on "get out of moral conundrum free" humans...in case you haven't noticed, there seems to be plenty of people saying morals are still applying here.>Geneva conventions are reserved for people.A copy of a person is still a person.
>>20029043Agreed with the first part. Send it offsite for qualified care and rehabilitation .
>>20029043I haven't called you a Nazi once. I called you a sociopath. There is a difference.Furthermore, there IS no 'get out of moral conundrum free' card. Especially not here. Not unless you don't have morals to begin with.>>20029037Funny, that's almost exactly what our sociopathic friend here is proposing.
>>20029076I think we passed the sanctity of life line when we started making copies of people and genderbending fragments of a person just for shits and giggles.>>20029085>A copy of a person is still a person.That is highly debatable, as this little, well, debate has proven. And now I'm tempted to make a "You wouldn't download a person" joke.>>20029099As long as it is detained in a maximum security location, I have no problem with rehabilitation. Just seems like a wasted opportunity if you ask me.
>>20029062My understanding of the current State of Emergency powers is that Icarus isn't illegal, just ethically questionable. Same as Alexa.
>>20029149> And now I'm tempted to make a "You wouldn't download a person" joke.Yes we would. We've proved that twice now.>I think we passed the sanctity of life line when we started making copies of people and genderbending fragments of a person just for shits and giggles.We were still treating them like PEOPLE though. Not like lab rats for...quite frankly? Pointless sounding tests. I'm all for the hard decision if it needs to be made...but this isn't 'The hard decision' it's 'Pointless evil'
>>20029144>Especially not here.Why especially? If anything, this is the grayest it's ever been. And you honestly think someone wouldn't take advantage of that moral wiggle room? Someone kind of already did for fucks sake.
>>20029170I think making Alpha(which I assume means fully independent AIs) AIs would be illegal no matter what without supervision.>>20029149>I think we passed the sanctity of life line when we started making copies of people and genderbending fragments of a person just for shits and giggles.All by consent and with the right of refusal.
>>20029197>Yes we would. We've proved that twice now.Oh come on, you know what I was referring to.>this isn't 'The hard decision' it's 'Pointless evil'It's utilizing assets to their fullest capacity. Veritas is a lame duck and will only serve to be a burden on the actually useful constructs and on military funds and resources. If data isn't being extracted, then it should be properly disposed of.>>20029230I'm pretty sure Veritas didn't ask for this.
>>20029295>I'm pretty sure Veritas didn't ask for this.Hence why we are treating her with Kid Gloves. We need to have a TALK to her about this because what he did WAS Horribly unethical.
>>20029211It's a huge, tricky moral/ethical question. It's grey as hell, yes, but it isn't a get-out-of-ethics free card. And yes, people are likely to take advantage. This does not change the fact that ethics still apply.>>20029230It's been stated that pretty much anything short of releasing a Von Neumann swarm of our own is permitted. Carving a daughter from one's own electronic rib falls well below that threshold.
>>20029295Truth's situation was not in any of our character's control. We not responsible for her mindrape and forced change.Just for how we deal with her now.
>>20029295If I could use the internet to materialize a bear next to my computer, I would. Bears are fluffy, I think.
>>20029331Myself, I'd view the creation of an Alpha AI(as I defined) as something on the scale of Gray Goo.Creating a undying being of ever increasing intelligence with no assurances of it's benevolence a crazy thing.READs said daedalus underwent extensive testing before she want freed after creation.
>>20029321Talking it out isn't going to produce a useful squadmate or even a mentally healthy facsimile of a human being. It's a wasteful venture with no payoff.>>20029333And militaristically speaking, the best thing to do would be experiment or execute. We can't even trust the damn thing, since it has a history of being a potential information leak.>>20029355Have you honestly never seen that anti-piracy advert or are you just being intentionally obtuse?
>>20029413>since it has a history of being a potential information leak.thus the (controlled)mindwipe
>>20029413I've seen plenty of those. Just not one involving a bear.
>>20029295>Veritas is a lame duckAlso if this is the way you actually think, you are in fact a sociopath.
>>20029407I'm not say she's going to be punished, but I fully expecting any Alpha AI forks we make to be tested after the war the same way Daedalus was.
>>20029407Considering Icarus is a fork from a proven-stable AI into a biological shell, I think you're highly overstating the risk.>>20029413Honestly, at this point, unless you're just playing an extremely well-masked Devil's Advocate, I'm going to assume you're an actual sociopath.
>>20029452>fully expecting bed time
>>20029413>Talking it out isn't going to produce a useful squadmate or even a mentally healthy facsimile of a human being. It's a wasteful venture with no payoff.That's not sure. I don't think we were given someone without hope. That AI is an evil bastard, he's not stupid. I believe she will be useful...she just needs help.
>>20029470I'm stating how HQ is going to see it. AI loses its shackles, then starts making alpha forks and bodies for them. There will be questions. then >>20029452
>>20029295We've seen Veritas for a very short amount of time during a rather trying emotional time for her in the first day of her new existence. That is not enough data to determine if she can make a competent combatant or not. You're jumping to one hell of a conclusion.
>>20029475I know plenty of folks with severely fucked-up pasts currently serving as fully functional and effective members of the armed forces. His argument is so much bullshit it isn't even funny.
>>20029426Information wipe, not personality wipe. We're still welcoming a wolf into our sheep herd with open arms, which is pretty pants on head retarded.>>20029435Huh. That was one of the oldest shoops of the original, if not the oldest.>>20029441A miserable pile of tears and secrets isn't particularly useful and will at best be a harmless drain on resources and at worst a massive security breach.>>20029475Useful to him, which is all the more reason to take measures into our own hands. Or at the very least keep it isolated.>>20029509I'll concede to this, but that still leaves the issue of how openly, and blindly I might add, we've accepted the damn thing at this point.
>>20029536>Information wipe, not personality wipe. We're still welcoming a wolf into our sheep herd with open arms...last I checked they are not a 'wolf'. They are someone who believe people should know what's happening. While that ISN'T what we want, wolf is really the wrong term.
>>20029295Jesus christ, you are fucked in the head.
Really, I think the easiest option would be to simply /asK Veritas what she wants, no?The process of Icarus and Veritas was different in that Veritas is like an offshoot (very broken, twisted one), while Icarus is like a seed planted in biomatter.The State Vector was created, not hacked to pieces, mutilated and hastily sleeved into a young girl's body.
>>20029984Very important difference, that.
Good lord, this is ridiculous.
>Come back. See all this.Never change /tg/.
>>20033123If you're here, can you answer some questions?1. Did Daedalus fork the Alpha Fork that became Icarus before making the EEG modifications, or were the modifications done during the copy process?2. Is there any data difference between an infomorph fork that is forked then has its State Vector modified, versus a fork that is modified during the copy process?Since both are not activated till after the modifications are done, there should be no difference between the two, even down to the qubit level, right?
>>20033123I demand a joke "Nazi" NPC. He must be around forever, popping up at random.
>>20033236To create Icarus, the following process occurred:1. Daedalus creates a map of her state vector. 2. Daedalus runs EEG simulation on said map, modifying until it reaches an acceptable percentage of error from the average 'pubescent human female'.3. Daedalus saves the modified map to the cortical stack within the new sleeve.4. Icarus is born.To create Veritas, the following process occurred:1. Rick ASSUMES DIRECT CONTROL over the fork of his that leaked the classified info, deactivating it and mapping it.2. Rick implanted a cascading algorithm within the structure of the map after running simulations to get it to reach the desired EEG reading upon the algorithm's completion.3. Rick saved the map to the cortical stack in the new sleeve.4. Veritas continues her session in the new sleeve, noting shortly that her internal reference program has changed.The difference between these two methods (making a new, or changing an old) is that the latter is still compatible with her prior existence's memory structure given that the initial change is a minor (if incredibly complicated to get right) insertion rather than a major change. Instead of 'new person, with the old's memories lying around like a handy reference' it's 'same person, who just came to the realization that they are transexual.' Even without the other things that are on Verita's mind, that alone is some considerable duress on her emotions.That she -isn't- at the stage of 'what my players saw' is a testament to one of the reasons why Rick is the leader.>>20033576I make no promises. But nor do I definitively say 'nope.avi'.
>>20033622[spoilersneeded] I wish I know who the first two girls were.[/spoilerNAO]So, you count Icarus as a new separate entity. That's what "Alpha" means, fully independent AIs right?Meanwhile, Truth just had his "brain" scrambled until it look close enough to a girl's.
>>20033622the NPC never does anything, but he always has the most terrible advice, usually about how more "experimentation" would be so useful to the current war.
>>20033622>That she -isn't- at the stage of 'what my players saw' is a testament to one of the reasons why Rick is the leader.Because whenever someone thinks of going against him he can just press a button and rewrite them to be perfectly loyal and willing to die for him? I don't think you need to ADD a Nazi character.
>>20029555So you're saying we should let a known security risk just get all buddy buddy with our highest priority projects.>>20029761Now now, this isn't the time for namecalling. There's much science to be done.
>>20033622That should be *pronoun, not *program.Also, just as a note as to why Daedalus didn't do this, it's because she neither knows how to run 'girlception', and does not have enough processing power to determine the correct alterations to make within a reasonable amount of time. Rick himself had to shutdown his forks for about an hour and brute force the problem.>>20033672Pretty much. Less 'brain scrambled' and more 'had an epiphany,' though. Think what was done to the CEO's kid in INCEPTION rather than traditional brainwashing.>>20033720He can't do that. Rick could only do what he did because Veritas was a fork of himself. Albeit an independent fork who's primary job was to swat him any time he went too tyrannical.If he tried to do that to anyone else, it would violate his ethics protocols and flood his system with a THC simulator until he is sufficiently not evil.(The point being that he and his forks can handle freaky weird shit.)